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Judge Dredd is an infinitely superior film to the style over substance 2012 reboot that fundamentally misunderstands that Judge Dredd is a British satire of American police violence. The 1995 film is steeped in satire, mockery, running closely parallel to RoboCop and Demolition Man. The 2012 film reimagines Judge Dredd not as a ridiculous character who represents the excesses and indulgences of the American police state, but rather some kind of incredibly cool and badass action hero fantasy. The 2012 film has no political satire. It has nothing to say. Dredd's costume was completely redesigned to remove everything that drew attention to how absurd a character Dredd is.

For an action movie the reboot was alright, but you're right they totally missed the point.

>>212178223 (OP)
so each officer carries 50 pounds of gold on them at all times?

>>212178223 (OP)
I found the original mediocre while the reboot was fun to watch.

>>212178230
>action movie the reboot was alright
>alright
it's one of the best action movies ever

>>212178223 (OP)
I am the biggest defender of Dredd 1995 and it still needs to have Rob Schneider fucking CGIed out of it

I did love the robot
I did love Armand Assante scenery chewing and being weirdly convincing as Sylvester Stallone's evil brother
I did love the vast bright chaotic Fifth Element style cityscape

I gotta say as much as people dickride the Karl Urban version it does have that obnoxious Nolan thing where you take a concept that's intentionally outrageous and cartoonish and you try to make it "grounded'' and "tactical" for no real reason

>>212178223 (OP)
Am I... am I allowed to like both for different reasons?

>>212178223 (OP)
Stallone takes helmet off, Urban doesn't. The winner is obvious.

>>212178356
Rob Schneider is great in the film. He's a welcome bit of comedy relief that helps sell the absurdity of the setting to the audience -- he's the audience proxy.
>>212178335
I found it kinda dull as an action film. I'd rather watch The Raid because The Raid at least has interesting characters and choreography.

>>212178376
>He's a welcome bit of comedy relief

No one has ever said this about Rob Schneider. Not even his own mother.

>>212178335
Imagine believing this

>>212178358
OP here, I do actually like both. But I also like the 2014 RoboCop. What is interesting is that a lot of Dredd 2012 fans seem to get upset when you point out that Dredd 2012 is exactly like RoboCop 2014 in its approach to the material.
>>212178361
Urban's refusal to take the helmet off cripples the film's narrative. Everything has to be shunted onto Anderson because Urban cannot emote for shit. He's a block of wood.

>>212178223 (OP)
Dredd has been represented a bunch of different ways even in the comics, from satire to non-satire, from anti-hero to straight up villain, etc.
Do agree that the Stallone version was visually more faithful to the comics, but that's also why it doesn't work as well as the Karl Urban version. It looked comical in a bad way.
>>212178356
>it does have that obnoxious Nolan thing where you take a concept that's intentionally outrageous and cartoonish and you try to make it "grounded'' and "tactical" for no real reason
That's part of its charm. Nolan's Batman films showed that you could take a comic book character and make them serious enough so people wouldn't immediately laugh at what they're seeing. I love Stallone's version too but it's funny when it's not trying to be funny and unfunny when it's trying to be funny.
>>212178404
That's by design. Dredd is supposed to be a block of wood.

>>212178376
>Rob Schneider is great
Fuck you now you're baiting
He's barely tolerable in Demolition Man where he gets 1/10th the screentime and nothing really attention whoring to do in the script

>>212178223 (OP)
Love the scene where Dredd speaks through the buildings speaker system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MCo1M3RNIs

>>212178356
The brown-and-gray tacticool era of 2008-2012, it affected movies and TV and games

>>212178419
>Dredd is supposed to be a block of wood.
In the comics, he's broadly a glowing beacon of stupidity. He snarls, "I AM THE LAW!" with his big teeth showing, his impossibly rugged jaw jutting out from under his helmet. The whole thing is comical, and that's the point. The grounded take on Dredd is so strange.

One thing I find interesting is that RoboCop was originally a Dredd adaptation. That's where the screenplay came from. And nobody has an issue with RoboCop being incredibly absurd. The videogame leaned into it. "BITCHES, COME!" But people seem upset that the 1995 version is so over the top and satirical and stupid. I don't quite get how that happened. Why is it okay for Total Recall to be completely absurd, RoboCop, even Demolition Man. But when it comes to Dredd, you've got these people saying that Dredd needs to be grounded and super serious and faithful to the comic despite Total Recall being super unfaithful. Demolition Man released back to back with Dredd. And people don't complain about any of this stuff in Demolition Man, which is even sillier.

>>212178223 (OP)
What’s really funny is that no one told Stallone it’s a satire, so him playing it straight and serious just adds to the camp.

>>212178404
>Dredd 2012 is exactly like RoboCop 2014 in its approach to the material
Not even close. Dredd 2012 still had moments of dark levity whereas Robocop 2014 tried to take itself way too seriously. Also Robocop was infamously derailed by so much creative interference that the director nearly disowned the film.

>>212178443
My problem with this scene is that it treats Dredd like he's this super threatening, super cool supercop. Dredd is absurd. He's ridiculous. He's a mockery of American police, not something you're meant to treat seriously. Nothing about Dredd 2012 strikes me as Alex Garland understanding that Dredd is a mockery, and not actually cool. At no point in the film did I ever perceive Dredd as an idiot. But the character is at his core an idiot. A rampaging gun-toting buffoon whose "can't be bought" nature is comical, not serious. He's not a real person. He's a larger than life absurdity.

I find none of that in Dredd '12. It's such a bland, boring, uninteresting, generic take on the character.

>>212178419
>people wouldn't immediately laugh at what they're seeing.
TDKR broke that illusion in the first 2 minutes.

>>212178575
RoboCop 2014 understands itself to a degree. Dredd 2012 does not. That's why RoboCop 2014 has the scene where they give him that idiotic black costume because focus test groups loved it. Dredd 2012 takes itself seriously. Dredd is introduced in the film like he's the coolest badass who ever lived. RoboCop 2014 has a glimmer of self-awareness that is completely missing from Dredd 2012.
>Also Robocop was infamously derailed by so much creative interference that the director nearly disowned the film.
Dredd was ghost directed by Alex Garland because something went terribly wrong with Pete Travis.

>>212178223 (OP)
>mistaking having the satirical nature of dredd going over your head for it not being there at all
I suppose I can't blame you for thinking what you do. You're still wrong though.

>>212178223 (OP)
>American police violence.
No It was a satire on the English police surveillance state they have been living in since ww2

>>212178635
Name a single piece of meaningful political satire in Dredd 2012. The baseline is:
>Eat recycled food - good for the environment, OK for you!
Go on, tell me about Dredd 2012's amazing satire.

>>212178510
>>212178580
That's only some of the comics (the earlier ones especially). Like I said, he's been represented a bunch of different ways. There is no correct characterisation of Dredd.
Read Judge Dredd: America.
>>212178623
It's not funny in a comical way, though. It's funny if you frame it in an absurdist way. Baneposting is just making fun of the "serious and gritty" dialogue.

>>212178580
>Dredd is absurd. He's ridiculous
You're referring to the original comics? (I haven't read them). And you don't like any deviation from that original satirical concept of Dredd?

>>212178674
It's American violence though a Thatcher's Britain lens. It's like how Perfect Dark is a bunch of British people viewing The X Files through a weird British lens.

>>212178697
>That's only some of the comics (the earlier ones especially). Like I said, he's been represented a bunch of different ways. There is no correct characterisation of Dredd.
>Read Judge Dredd: America.
Look anon, I do acknowledge your point there. Although I read America a couple of years back and definitely remember it treating Dredd more as this mythical figure, towering over the other characters, that flesh and blood. It wasn't a Dredd focused story, per se. It was about Megacity, and focused on world building.

>>212178705
No, I don't have an issue with deviation. And as this other anon notes, different comics have different takes on Dredd. >>212178697

The problem I have is that there's a lot of Dredd fans who basically want to turn Dredd into an extremely uninteresting character.

To use an example, Urban played Reaper in the Doom movie. He was the Doom Guy. The Rock was Sarge (from Doom 3). A lot of modern Doom fans want Urban to play the Doom Slayer, a completely obnoxious power fantasy character from the new Doom games. I find this transformation of characters into these completely one dimensional totally awesome badasses to be annoying. I think Urban's Dredd is... fine, but he's not an interesting take on the character thematically or narratively or any of that. He's so bland and uninteresting and defined entirely by scowling. They kept the look of the jawline, but none of the politics or themes that made Dredd comics interesting, even the less comical ones.

>>212178625
For the record, I don't hate Robocop 2014. I'm fact parts I think were really well done - like the first 40-50min. However it has a serious identity crisis towards the end where half the cast couldn't decide what kind of movie they're in and and it just leaves you with a resounding "meh" when the credits roll. Dredd doesn't aspire to much and the plot and characters are paper thin but it knew what it wants to be and (love or hate it) gave audiences just that.

The idea of the Brits satirizing anyone else for having a police state has itself become transcendent parody.

>>212178223 (OP)
I don't like stallone face

>>212178223 (OP)
You know I never understood that, why did you judge me?

>>212178223 (OP)
>Judge Dredd is an infinitely superior film to the style over substance 2012 reboot
The original is the style over substance one.
You should stop having opinions, cunt, you're not cut out for it.

>>212178507
it was better than the neon technicolor slop of today. if that new marathon game tried to get released back then it wouldve been laughed at

>>212178223 (OP)
Right-wing chuds praise Dredd as some kind of bastion of masculinity. Once again they have shown themselves to be media illiterate.

>>212178853
I see what you're saying. You wanted to see Dredd, while seeking refuge during an apartment building siege, is graciously let into an apartment by tenants who are "huge fans" of the reality tv show "JUDGES", but Dredd thanks the tenants by fining them for being morbidly obese.

>>212179304
How is the original style over substance when a significant part of its runtime is dedicated to its core philosophical themes about justice and law enforcement and free will?

>>212179394
LOL that would be hilarious, and at least give the movie a different tone from the Raid Redemption

>>212178580
It's not that, Dredd can be cool, and he often is, it's just in that 80s Arnold Schwarzenegger way where it's so over the top and ridiculous you stop caring about realism and just enjoy the show. It's not supposed to be deep or biting political commentary. Sugar is treated as an illegal drug because it's so addictive for crying out loud, you can't pretend a universe that has that can ever be gritty and realistic. Stallone's Dredd, for all it's flaws (and there are many) is the way Dredd should be portrayed.

>>212179517
>different tone from the Raid Redemption
it was too similar to that.

>>212178356
I'm torn on it, I was taken in by the new Dreds on first watch - and mega city 1 IS a "gritty" shithole, but then again the Sylvester Stallone version was more "comicy" (and did capture the weird 2000AD goofy satire angle even if it had a lot of flaws)

Then again - didn't the actual Judge Dredd comics do a WH40k at that time and start taking themselves "seriously" and stop being "goofy" and start being brown-grey gritty

>>212178223 (OP)
I hate this wave of contrarianism so much it's unreal, these demented shitheads actually think they're changing hearts and minds, probably as practice for their shitbag troll farm jobs, when it's evident these conversations never leave this armpit of a website.
An exercise in futility and self-flagellation.

>>212178223 (OP)
I like both in different ways. It's not a competition.
New one lacks the style of the old one tho

>>212178404
nubocop is dogshit

>>212179536
Dredd never, ever plays it anything other than straight, even in hostess pies ads. He also never removes his helmet.
That is all, go try to redeem that idiotic piece of shit with Rob Schneider.

Yeah but he took off his helmet. That's basically the only reason I think the newer one is better.

>>212178223 (OP)
>The 2012 film reimagines Judge Dredd not as a ridiculous character who represents the excesses and indulgences of the American police state
It gets lost in translation because the pig retarded boomer experience of life is so absurdly different to modern life.

To the spoilt trough-snuffling fucks who grew up in a middle class all-white 1950s/60s neighbourhood, seeing a cop wearing a stab vest was a horrifying and terrifying symbol of DA POLEECE STATE D: because the most dire level of crime they'd ever personally observed was a a local teenager taking a car for a joyride.

Similar to how the founders of GW were a bunch of spoilt socialists to whom Margaret Thatcher's policies of "let's invest in the military" and "public sector unions shutting down the country is bad" was indicative of horrifying authoritarian fascism. And of course they loved mass immigration because their only experience of it was "nice Mr Patel who runs the corner shop", the only brown person they ever see. How could anyone be against that :^)

They lived such spoilt and trouble-free lives that they couldn't even comprehend a time when people might actually prefer the concept of authoritarian Judges executing violent criminals on the spot or '''''''''''fascist'''''''''''' governments prioritising national defence over infinite-bennies.

Someone should just AI the Stallone Dredd to make a version where he's wearing the helmet or has his face obscured for the whole movie.

>>212180422
i cant begin to explain how retarded you are

>>212179111
It's a parody of "tough justice" cop movies like Dirty Harry, if anything.
The point is if this person was real, firstly he'd be kind of ridiculous, and secondly he'd be terrifying.
>you broke the law by committing a minor offense, and therefore I get to shoot you in the head
That's Judge Dredd.

>>212179394
Yeah, exactly that actually. That's the tone Dredd is supposed to have.

>>212180096
>wave of contrarianism
>never leave this armpit of a website
contrarianism has always been the heart of 4chan

>>212178223 (OP)
I dropped the new movie after Dredd didn't execute those kids for trying to murder 2 Judges. The Law states that's death, not isocubes

>>212178223 (OP)
Based Op understanding the material and giving the movie a fair shake rather than just regurgitating the same tired nitpicks by "critics"

>>212178356
>I did love the robot
It's Hammerstein a fucking ABC Warrior show some respect

YOU BETRAYED THE LAW

>>212178223 (OP)
Judge Dredd aesthetic + Dredd seriousness would have been kino.

>>212178223 (OP)
Plenty of stories where judges are the good guys just chasing down criminals. Nothing wrong with a movie keeping it simple. Especially since that "satire" the comic is known for more often than not is just British Nancies not understanding how depraved criminals can be

>>212178223 (OP)
That's a mistaken assumption though. Dredd is the best at what he does, and within the confines of the system and the mega city, he is a hero.

But the movie still depicts him as needlessly violent, and the judges in general as an ineffectual cruelty that essentially cannot fix the city in any way

Dredd kills a lot but he also wastes a lot of time inside the hab block. The crime problem is unsolvable and no amount of white phosphorous rounds will fix it.
There's also the clear issue of police corruption brought up in the movie that the character or the movie story simply do not attempt to solve at all.

>>212182357
Tldr; the critique is still there, but rather than attempting a camp/farcical depiction they went in the other direction

Its much easier to accept current Dredd but imho that's more honest than just doing more satire

There's a danger of the audience genuinely engaging with an identifying with the """""fascist"""" authoritarian and that's braver than whatever the comic did

>>212180482
Dredd doesn't work as a film unless you can see Dredd's face. That's why the 2012 movie bombed so hard at the box office.

>>212178223 (OP)
I always say I prefer 90s Dredd and get called a retard

>>212178223 (OP)
Thanks for articulating why Dredd (2012) is so much better than the first film.

>>212178510
Robocop was r rated. 95 Dredd was pg13 and marketed towards kids. Stallone didn't understand the source material and kept demanding more rewrites to make it a buddy comedy with Rob.

>>212180422
>Ruby Ridge
>Waco
>LA riots


Zoom zooms know nothing of history.

>>212179394
That would be the ideal dredd adaptation but 95 and 12 are both good adaptations targetting different aspects of judge dredd. They're both great and they could both be better

>>212182035
Carmela can you pleas betray the LAAAAAAAW

But when are we getting Marshall Law?

>>212180771
>you broke the law by committing a minor offense, and therefore I get to shoot you in the head.

Nope. Judge Dredd doesn't execute people for a minor offense. He sends people to iso cubes for absurd amount of time. Death sentences are actually pretty uncommon (perp must be armed, or has already committed murder).

People complain that in the 1995 movie Dreed takes off his helmet. People complain about Rob Schneider's unfunny shenanigans. Almost no one ever mentions how Hershey thinks it is okay for Judges to have romantic relationships. Judges are not regular cops. If a Judge is discovered having a romantic relationship, or having sex, that's worthy of getting sent to the Titan penal colony. Judges are miserable fucks.

>>212178580
>Dredd as an idiot. But the character is at his core an idiot
What comics have you been reading?
While he can certainly be one dimensional for comedic effect, he is never written as "an idiot"

>>212178223 (OP)
Nowadays though, the policing is justified.

>>212182357
>But the movie still depicts him as needlessly violent, and the judges in general as an ineffectual cruelty that essentially cannot fix the city in any way
So exactly like the comics then. Judge Dredd was never a hero to the populace. The poors fear him and the rich either don't know him or think he's a nuisance ruining their fun. There's many millions of shitty people where doing almost anything is a crime and only thousands of judges to enforce the ponderous law. To remind you, it's a satirical comic.

i got the hots for judge hershey. big time

>>212183945
>we lived long enough to see Judge Dredd become a reality
Where are the boingers?

>>212182630
Not by me, unless you liked it for some retarded reason

>>212178223 (OP)
>Judge Dredd is a British satire of American police violence.

>>212178223 (OP)
Well said.

>>212185077
>10 men vs 1 gorilla

>>212185476
I don't mind it. All cops should be this way. Overwhelming non-lethal force. Rather than sending 1-2 cops who immediately start blasting. These guys should have better non-lethal equipment though like nets, catch poles, bolos to throw and wrap people up, etc.

>>212182630
Ahahaha retard alert, everyone get a load of the retard!

>>212185728
Mocking the intellectually disabled. That's 2 years in the slammer, Creep.

I enjoy both films for different reasons but yeah I don't get why the more recent version is worshipped. They managed to make the over-the-top, cartoonish Mega-City One boring, dirty, mundane and ugly.

>>212185077
Should they just have executed that mentally-ill man then, like American cops? Do you genuinely think that's better?

>>212178230
>but you're right they totally missed the point.
They didn't miss the point; they realized no one wanted to watch a shitty satire. Especially from bongs who ignore their own country's problems.

>>212178223 (OP)
2012 Dredd is Dredd in name only. It's a random edgelord Die Hard ripoff with a character wearing Dredd's costume inserted into it

Stallone's movie at least understood the tone and 100% nailed the aesthetic

>>212185964
Cause he kept on le helmet! It's super duper important because some people whined about it thirty years ago!

>>212178223 (OP)
No it's cheesy 90s slop

Wish there was a sidequel exploring some of the other locations. Use a different judge as the protagonist. But keep the over the top comic style rather than grounded Dredd style. There's so many entertaining stories they could tell

>>212178510
I think your problem stems from not understanding tonal changes between mediums and demographics. Creating a comic boos for 80s kids is different from selling a hollywood blockbuster a different demographic years later. Nowadays it's a bit different people so many people don't actually grow up and away from the things that cherished as kids. Meaning It's the same audience once they adapt it.

>>212185993
In the long run, yes.

>>212182603
2012 'bombed' because it had a small budget and more normies probably weren't even aware of it. For years now people have been asking for the spinoff TV show they were working on

>>212186233
I saw it in the theater in its original release. It was amazing.

>>212180096
They did it with the star wars prequels. Now they're just chasing that same high trying to force widely accepted bad movies as misunderstood masterpieces.

>>212180096
>>212181229
contrarianism isn't real.

>>212188088
No, it's more like the loudest assholes who always fart they hate every movie aren't actually the majority and we're not actually required to accept their opinion. Both the prequels and Judge Dredd were soulful and made with love. Perfect? No. Entertaining and fun to watch? Absolutely. Now please continue seething that people have opinions you deemed are wrong and unacceptable.

>>212180096
>contrarianism
Retard alert.

Zooms really are going "I love the 90s" all in huh? It's like they didn't get the memo that contrarianism is just for shits and giggles?

>>212178223 (OP)
Diane Lane

>>212188201
Lol

>>212188088
This. Every other fucking thread on /tv/ these days is how the Prequels or MI2 or some other 90s/00s shitfest is actually underrated kino. Soon enough they'll be defending Halle Berry's Catwoman.

>>212188492
tons of movies got overlooked, unfairly criticized, etc, and compared to shit being shilled today are quite good. though steadily lowering standards won't get to the point you're talking.

prequelfaggotry happened because kids who loved them got internet access and told themselves youtubers caused a universal change in opinion

>>212188690
>>212188492
>>212188088
>this was a laughably fuckawful critical disaster and commercial flop in the '90s
No one knows they're living in a golden age until it ends

>>212188492
Tons of ppl, large swaths of movie goers, liked the prequels during the release. Made a lot of money. There was always a contingent of ppl who very much disliked the prequels at time of release, and those were a portion of Star Wars fans. They've always been outnumbered.

>>212189419
adjust the OT gross for inflation and compare it to the prequel gross and get back to me.

>>212189493
I didn't say anything about that. Not relevant to my point. I'm pointing out the prequels were always a major hit. Anons are claiming that favorable opinions of the prequels is a relatively new phenomenon, due to contrarianism trending on social media, or whatever.

>>212189700
okay so you're ignoring the main means of quantifying how something is "a major hit," which renders your statements baseless/groundless.

>>212189760
When did I ever say box office gross is not an indicator of whether or not something is a major hit? But are you saying the prequels weren't major hits? If they don't match OTs box office performance, accounting for inflation, does that mean they weren't major, profitable hits? What exactly are you disputing from my original statement? You haven't yet addressed anything I've said.

>>212178404
>Urban's refusal to take the helmet off cripples the film's narrative
opinion disregarded

>>212178724
americops arent even violent, libtard

>>212190478
Kek people call american cops when they want to suicide since it's so easy

>>212178223 (OP)
You made a whole thread because people disagreed with your terrible takes last night?

>>212178404
Robocop was trash dude
And I was in the Cineplex for that movie

>>212188984
Strange Days was awesome back then and it's awesome now

>>212188984
I still rewatch Water World. I love mad max type movies. It's so funny that 4chan gets angry at anyone not conforming and obeying the groupthink opinion. "You must think exactly this because we decided it's right!" And yet claim they came here to get away from that type of thing.

>>212178223 (OP)
Oh no
We can't spare a Marxist "humor as hypocritical activism" art project made by the British about their obsession with their delusions about American culture and how, if you really think about it, Americans were the dumb greedy fascist authoritarians all along!

>>212178376
>Rob Schneider is great in the film. He's a welcome bit of comedy relief that helps sell the absurdity of the setting to the audience -- he's the audience proxy.

>>212178223 (OP)
>british satire
>the most authoritarian shithole on this planet does satire about another country
>coincidentally, said country exists because people left that authoritarian shithole and then BTFO it in a war
>authoritarian shithole still thinks it's entitled to an opinion or in a position to do "satire"

I'm not even american, but this lack of self-awareness and chutzpah enrages me so much it's unreal.

>>212178223 (OP)
OP is a nigger

>>212178510
Because Total Recall and Robocop weren't made for kids. Dredd 95 was.

>>212190444
Trips of /thread. OP is a faggot and a retard, as always. Move along anons.

>>212193041
Robocop was absolutely aimed at kids. They had toy lines and games kek. Same with Aliens and Terminator.

>>212178419
Based

>>212178223 (OP)
>British satire of American police state
>British get arrested for posting tame memes while full blown serial child molesters have nothing happen
Look how that turned out. We ofc have problems but Canadians and euros all seem to huff their farts and get high on making fun of US as their countries disintegrate faster than ours. Why not work together and focus on the people doing this to us?

The reboot was great so I didnt mind thaf much. No fat people with stomachs supported by wheels though.

>>212193160
Wrong, they all all in some way coincided with in adaptation of laser disc, beta max and VHS...giving shifty parents the opportunity to expose the welfare children they had to sex and violence in film.

Everyone saw dollar signs because of Star Wars toys and just threw shit at the wall, hence a bunch of toys that had jack shit to do with the source material.

Merry Christmas.

>>212178223 (OP)
The total recall reboot was even worse

>>212189967
I'm telling you to take the box office grosses of the OT and the prequels and adjust them for inflation and compare them, to see if it supports your beliefs that dislike of the prequels was a minority position.

>>212180096
Yup

>>212180737
Because he's correct

>>212193496
How could they have ever thought Australia would be more kino than Mars?

OH NO, this film adaptation is not like the other film adaptation even though the source material has decades of reimaginings and plotlines.

Stfu, HOT SHOT

>>212181229
Not feckless contrarianism

>>212182297
So I'm over there in England, you know, trying to get news about the [L.A.] riots... and all these Brit people are trying to sympathize with me... 'Oh Bill, crime is horrible. Bill, if it's any consolation crime is horrible here, too.' ...Shutup. This is Hobbitown and I am Bilbo Hicks, Okay? This is a land of fairies and elves. You do not have crime like we have crime, but I appreciate you trying to be, you know, Diplomatic. You gotta see English crime. It's hilarious, you don't know if you're reading the front page or the comic section over there. I swear to God. I read an article - front page of the paper - one day, in England: 'Yesterday, some Hooligans knocked over a dustbin in Shafsbry.' Wooooo... 'The hooligans are loose! The hooligans are loose! What if they become roughians? I would hate to be a dustbin in Shafsbry tonight.

>>212182630
More of a faggot than a retard, but those aren't mutually exclusive

>>212193160
>Robocop was absolutely aimed at kids.
The movie is 18+, it was not aimed at kids. I remember trying to rent it because of the toy figure and video game and they told me no because I was a kid. The games (both Robocop and Total Recall on NES) were made for kids. The movie wasn't. Did you even see it?

>>212193496
The director's cut is better.

>>212185993
Yes

>>212178223 (OP)
I've never heard a soul criticise Dredd 2012 until i entered this thread full of contrarian hipster faggots. I've also never heard of anyone who thought Stallones Dredd was anything but a mid film at best until this thread.

You're all cancerous pseuds with pleb tastes. STFU, Karls Dredd was perfect and if it did better at the box office we'd have even more kino sequels. The satirical aspects were there, just very subtle, like the pregnant woman hostage scene at the start.

I would 100% expect more satire to be in a hypothetical sequel to help flesh out the Megacity universe.

>>212178223 (OP)
>t. tastelet troll
this is not reddit. you spamming the same shit over and over again doesn't make this trash worthy or dredd kino bad

>>212194042
>until i entered this thread full of contrarian hipster faggots
it's the same retard, just pretending to be multiple people, he's probably a disabled person because he spends all his time trying to promote his bad taste on a board where you can't change people's opinion

>>212188201
>i Like the prequels and Dredd for babies
Faggotry, 40 years in an iso cube

>>212188274
If they really loved the 90s they'd embrace apathy

>>212189419
You must not have been alive. People didn't love the movies, people loved that star wars was back and kept going to see if the franchise could course correct. It didn't, people complained and Lucas sold it to disney

>>212193160
You are a zokmie and don't understand that Robocop was not aimed at children and robocop 3 and it's cartoon series was.

>excesses and indulgences of the American police state
Bongs lack self-awareness

>>212178223 (OP)
>The 1995 film is steeped in satire
This is not an excuse for bad film making. Shame on you.

Judge Dredd doesn't have a completely unnecessary scene of a white woman blowing a groid, so it wins by default.
Cucks love Dredd for a reason.

>>212178223 (OP)
There's still a subtle satire angle to the 2012 film, but you're right, it's not over the top overt.

Keep in mind, the comics themselves vary A LOT in tone, ranging from robocop type satire to more gritty and grounded.


The basic premise remains the same though. Extreme over the top crime mean extreme over the top cops. The humor and social commentary is in the exaggeration.

>>212185993
Yes.
Please kill yourself too.

>>212185993
your made up mental illness means nothing the second you hurt another person

>>212178223 (OP)
>>212178356
This is why you don't get nice things

>>212180054
>Then again - didn't the actual Judge Dredd comics do a WH40k at that time and start taking themselves "seriously" and stop being "goofy" and start being brown-grey gritty

It'd make sense. Dredd behaves more like an arbitrator then a judge. I liked the movie but the Dredd IP felt tacked on. They could have called it "Future Cop 2015" and changed the uniforms a bit and you'd never know.

>>212197263
>Future Cop 2015
Sounds kino. I'd watch it

>>212178223 (OP)
>>212178230
what's funny is all the boomer fags complained that the 1995 movie missed the point because he took his helmet off. bunch a fuckin "surface level" faggots

>>212178223 (OP)
This movie is so fucking kick ass
I think I like Demolition Man better tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj27LLLELe4

>>212178361
I knew you were going to say that.

>>212188984
Still never seen Last Action Hero somehow
never heard of strange days but looks kino, thanks anon

>>212198628
Wtf, you need to watch Last Action Hero pronto!

>>212178223 (OP)
the truth of the matter is stallone is your typical alpha male action star
while karl urban looks like some kiwi retard

>>212198721
I know, anon, there's a couple Arnold movies I've never seen that I really need to. Some fucking kick ass ones to like Commando lol
I've seen most his other shit tho

>>212178223 (OP)
I like Dredd better, sorry.

>>212178223 (OP)
robocop is the best Dredd movie

>>212178223 (OP)
>I AM... THE LUAW!

Long story short I haven’t seen any of the judge dredd movies.
Which one should I watch?

>>212194042
i never bothered criticizing it because its such a bland movie. only thing I can really remember about it is cute tits.

>>212178580
>My problem with this scene is that it treats Dredd like he's this super threatening, super cool supercop. Dredd is absurd. He's ridiculous. He's a mockery of American police, not something you're meant to treat seriously.
Have you actually read Judge Dredd or 2001 AD comics? Dredd is an authoritarian asshole who gets the job done, but he's in such a shitty twisted world that he's actually the good guy, and you end up rooting for him even when he heavily punishes a bystander alongside the main perp he's dealing with in the comic.
The main thing about Judge Dredd is that it's actually funny, and at least there's dark humour in that style in the Dredd 2012 movie, such as the hobo in the doorway.

>>212194339
What the fuck...?

>>212179111
This. Thoroughly ironic.

>>212199947
The fucking first one obviously
I've never even seen the 2nd one yet. Did you even listen to that theme song I posted?

>>212200561
Ok cheers.I’m going to watch it now.

>>212180482
>>212198288
>>212178361
>>212178404
Judge dredd takes his helmet off in the comics.
The 1995 movie is campy schlock cancer and anyone who thinks it's superior to 2012 is a poser and a faggot.

>>212198736
Urban is much closer to Dredd's original incarnations, in stature, in tone, in the plot. 1995 is not a good adaptation, no pg13 movie could be

>>212193160
The sequels were, especially the one with the kid, the original Robocop was a really hard R Verhoeven satire and they noticed kids thought Robocop was a cool character and sold them toys/video games.

>>212200745
Judges are elected.
All judges have these remote control awesome motorcycles
It's more satire of a world that would need judges and judges are shown to be edgy cool badasses. It takes place in NY/Mega City 1 after a nuclear holocaust where American survivors organize into mega cities and the rest of the continent is terrible radioactive badlands with 40 ft tall preying mantises. The retard upthread saying "they wuz takin da piss outta American constables" has never read the comic.

>>212201040
That zoomie pseud really thought that Robocop was made to he toyetic.

>>212178580
Dredd isn't absurd, the setting is. You have never read judge dredd but based your opinions on a yoitube essay or wikipozdia article. Repent

>>212200680
>1995 movie is campy schlock cancer and anyone who thinks it's superior to 2012 is a poser and a faggot
this. Trying to champion the 1995 adaptation is /tv/ contrarian faggot shit. If you’re gonna try and shit on the 2012 version like faggot OP, at least refer comics or something instead of a shitty cash in with a tacked on celebrity comedic relief.

>>212200680
no he doesnt, that singular page, that plays it off as a gag, clearly hides it. Because you DONT SHOW DREDDS FACE. Retard.

As a bigger Dredd fan than you, Dredd 2012 was perfect and Stallones was cringe. Now fuck off with your shit takes pleb.

>>212201310
>Judges are elected.
maybe in the same way that leaders of Super Earth are "elected", sure.

>>212201376
my all-time favourite dredd comic was him and Anderson Vs Satan. It was played 100% straight, and it was incredible. Second favourite was a satirical-theme'd one where he was teleported to an alien world with irl bloodsports as entertainment, and him and Anderson carved their way through to find a way home, loads of good jokes on the way.

Honorable mentions to the Golden Child story, and the nuking of megacity 1 that was basically a clever Trolley problem comic.

>>212178223 (OP)
You think this silly movie with Stalone is better than the updated version? KYS.

The real truth is that neither is inferior or superior. Its basically two halves of a good film. If you combined the best aspects of both movies you would get one great one

>>212201716
>Dredd never takes his helmet off in the comic
Here is a comic of dredd taking his helmet off and showing his face
>>212200680
>no he doesnt, that singular page, that plays it off as a gag, clearly hides it. Because you DONT SHOW DREDDS FACE. Retard.
The comic doesn't show dredd's face. Dredd shows his face in the comic. You have lost the arguement as to who knows dredd comics more, which is me, having disproven your lore note that dredd never shows his face. The 1995 movie is a cluster fuck for more reasons than Stallone showing his face, but it is indicative of not understanding the comic, like you saying dredd never takes off his helmet.
Judgement - Loreletness. Five months in an isocube

>>212202693
You're too level headed for this board, anon

>>212201716
It's says judges are elected by the people to protect them in the first page in the first judge dredd comic

>>212179111
The first issue of 2000ad is London being attacked by the volgan hordes of Asian Stalinist Nazis.

>>212199947
2012

>>212178223 (OP)
I want a robot wars movie

The great thing about satire is that it can be taken literally and sometimes be way better

Nobody cares about british commentary on police practices, have you seen the british police?

>>212197852
>Chrome Lords will never be real

>>212203365
Not him, but you are dense as fuck, the kind of person who you can't explain shit to, if you think that comic book page justifies Dredd taking his helmet off revealing Stallone's face as a move that is faithful to the comics.

Even attempting to defend the Stallone film while shitting on Dredd 2012 should be punishable by death.

>>212181951
But anon, Dredd IS The Law. In the totality of the circumstances he judged that the youth deserved isocubes.

>doesn't obey The Law
>dies in a comical way for it
What the FUCK did Alex Garland mean by this?

>>212207516
It doesn't justify doing it but the point he said dredd never took his helmet off in the comics, which is incorrect. Stop being a dumb faggot, you dumb faggot

Urban would never do Texas City justice

>>212209190
>Carlos Ezquerra
>it's white hicks getting killed
Put him on the list Trump

>>212178223 (OP)
The British are constantly coping about us in their shitty movies, yes.

>>212207516
>it doesn't justify dredd taking off his helmet
You dipshits all just read a wikipedia article or watched a YouTube essay on dredd and never read a comic. The Stallone movie is trash, you're all still posers

>>212210180
Sauron Valley? Does he go through Moria to get past the Rocky Mountains?

man issue 1 is beautiful

>>212210261
Kek

Dreddful

Crime foam

rob schneider

>>212208110
it's satire

>>212178223 (OP)
only good thing about the original was rob schneider

>>212193160
Nope but 3 was. First one was definitely not.

>>212212614
He was better than 90% of the characters in Dredd

>>212210180
>>212210765
I always wondered why any of this mattered when they had interstellar travel. So Earth is a shit hole? Find another planet. There's lots of them out there.

>>212178223 (OP)
Seems representative of the change in culture. Many now believe that police should be death squads cleaning up the streets.
And they're right

>>212198736
>>212200843
Karl Urban's most iconic line is "My wife's son"

>>212178223 (OP)
I had this on VHS in the 90s. It was shit, even back then.

>>212198736
>Italian midget
>alpha

>>212178223 (OP)
I enjoyed the 2012 film. However, the Stallone movie did a better job with world building. The 2012 was contained to section 8 housing.

>>212215675
Many are saying this, in chuddies mind

>>212216511
This is wrong. 1995 just dumps exposition, which is lazy and for retards (which is why you like it). 2012 did trough visuals and clever dialogue. It's just way better craftsmanship.

>>212178223 (OP)
I'd like to see the earlier cuts that were "5 frames away from an X rating"

>Now, I'm innocent in this. I wrote a PG-13 script! Obviously, I knew how to do it! I did 8 o'clock network TV shows, for god's sake! In the script I wrote that the villain, Armand Assante says "Pull his arms and legs off, save his head for last, I want to hear him scream." I wrote in the script that all you would see are the shadows and hear screams. What the director did, without any supervision since nobody from the studio was there, he had his prop people build an audio animatronic puppet, lifelike in every detail, with breakable limbs, and he actually shot the robot ripping the guy's arms and legs off while the guy is screaming!

>At the time, I lived around the corner from the studio, and they called me up when they got the dailies. It was the scene where they whack a newspaper reporter and his wife. In the script, I said it would look like your grandparent's house, but decorated with stuff from now, since the movie is in the future. You were supposed to just see through the curtains a flash of the machine gun and screaming, and maybe one bullet hits the window. That's what I wrote. When they showed me the scene in the dailies, this old couple dies like Bonnie and Clyde. Blown to bits in slow motion. I said, "Oh my God, this movie is supposed to be PG-13!" And they said, "No, it's fine! the director knows all the ratings angles. Run it again!" And I'm like, "No! Once was enough! What did I miss?" He said, "They're dry squibs! That's PG-13! You don't get an R-rating unless there's blood." I said, "There's no such rule! Who the fuck told you that?"

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/steven-e-de-souza-talks-commando-2-sgt-rock-the-flash-gordon-movie-you-may-never-see-and-much-more/

>>212216556
>1995 just dumps exposition
I get that, but at least its something. I liked the 2012 film, but I was hoping for a little more outside the tower.

>>212193569
violent crime has never been lower than it is today. everything he said was the complete opposite of reality. dumbass rightoid.

>>212216557
There's some other weirdness going on too. I think he was supposed to fight the goopy clones at the end. I've seen a promo photo where he's blasting one with a shotgun. I don't think the MPAA cared about monster blood and guts as long as it wasn't red though so maybe that was just cut for running time.

>>212192870
To be fair, bongs are intimately familiar with life in an authoritarian dsytopian shithole. In the same vein, I would take Japanese critique of corporatism convincing.

>>212216655
I voted for picrel faggot

>>212209119
kino

>>212178376
>He's a welcome bit of comedy relief that helps sell the absurdity of the setting to the audience -- he's the audience proxy.
Hello, mister executive producer! Thanks for your perspective on that matter. How cool of you to find the time to post here, what with your busy schedule of ruining movies with your invasive shitfuck ideas.

PS. should dredd have a doggo side kick? doggos on social media are the main millenial trend. the are super into the doggos.

>bro he le takes his helmet off!
I don't care. It's an adaptation. What matters more is if they get the spirit of the thing right. Not if they follow every little rule of the comics.
In terms of being a ridiculous wacky cartoon set in a cool cyberpunk universe, that has satirical things to say about policing, the Stallone movie does get it.

I may also bring up the Tim Burton Batman movies, and how they basically throw every established rule about Batman and his villains down the toilet, but they somehow get the essence of Batman exactly right.

>>212219415
Dredd in the comics has had various comedy sidekicks. Some kind of talking dog would actually fit in just fine.

>>212178223 (OP)
dredd in the 2000 ad strips was usually written very straight
with a lot of humourous or absurd situations

i think people often misunderstand this kind of satire from the 70s/80s

the satirical element comes from taking a ridiculous concept and playing it completely straight, taking it to its logical conclusion

dredd never broke character in the strips