Just how did Morpheus know Neo was The One? It's never explained how out of billions of humans plugged in he was different. Did he just have a different code noticeable around him in The Matrix?

>>212215401 (OP)
>Did he just have a different code noticeable around him in The Matrix?
Yes, they even say this in the movie. "Mouse" points it out. Pay attention.

>>212215401 (OP)
Why did the machines just dump him so the enemy can pick him up

I remember reading somewhere that Cypher was apparently someone Morpheus thought was the One before Neo and got it wrong, part of the reason Cypher is so angry and takes it out on Morpheus a lot. No idea if that's canon or not, but I like the idea of Morpheus getting it wrong before he got it right. Also helps believing why Zion is so skeptical of him.

>>212215470
Because it's all part of the plan.

>>212215401 (OP)
The Architect scene in the sequel reveals both that Neo is also a program and that Zion is a part of the Matrix too, meaning nothing that happens in the trilogy takes place outside it. Seriously, watch that scene again. The series makes A LOT more sense once you actually pay attention to it.

>>212215487
>>212215401 (OP)
Morpheus explicitly says that he kept looking over and over for the ONE for years... Every person on the ship (forgot the name and IDGAF desu) were potential people that could be the ONE but the Oracle rejected them... Pay attention, you fucking zoomers.

>>212215560
Here we go again.

Zion isn't "part of the Matrix", it's part of the system of cycles in which the machines ensures the survival of the Matrix. Basically they allow the 1% of humans who reject the simulation to escape from it (which causes anomalies in the system that eventually leads to a full crash), but they allow them to leave into one big barrel they left for them - Zion. The machines leave Zion there for the freed humans to find and use as their main base.

When the system anomalies pile up too much, all the broken code is gathered into one single human, the One, who's mission is to reach the source (carrying all that corrupted code) and in so allow the machines to do a clean system reset.

When this happens, the machines also attack and destroy every single human in Zion. Since they built it and designed it, they can easily destroy it. They offer the One the choice to go to the source, save two dozen bluepills to form the next Zion, and continue the prophecy of the One for the next cycle. Since usually the One is in love with humanity, he/she makes that choice.

So in that sense, Zion is part of the system. But it isn't inside the Matrix itself, it's in the real world. Just under the machines' control as well. Crazy how over two decades later, brainlets like you still can't make that distinction.

He believed.

>>212215560
>hurr the real world is in the matrix as well durrr
fucking neck yourself holy shit

>>212215725
Then explain the multiple version of Neo / the Architect describing the versions of Zion that had already been destroyed. This explanation conveniently forgets all that.

>>212215933
It doesn't forget it, you just don't seem to understand that the entire process is a cycle. The current "choice" Matrix that the Oracle came up with works, but it's flawed. Allowing humans to leave the Matrix if they want to eventually causes a system crash. "The problem is choice". So at some point, the system gets too unstable, they need to reboot it completely, do a clean wipe and start again.

The movies take place in the 6th iteration of the choice Matrix. The previous 5 Ones (not Neo, different people) all made the choice to reset the Matrix at the end of their quest when they reached the source. Zion was destroyed, rebuilt by the machines, the One chose 20 something bluepills to start the new cycle, and prophesized that "they would return again someday to save them". Which would eventually be the next One near the end of that cycle. Those freed humans then proceeded to rebuild Zion with new bluepills until the system got unstable again, so the machines made another One.

>>212215401 (OP)
>redpill
This film is too manosphere-coded for me. How long before this film did the phrase exist?

>>212216114
This all also conveniently ignores Neo being able to control machines in the "real world" which wouldn't be possible unless, you guessed it, Zion was also inside the Matrix. Your explanation just creates too many plot holes

>>212216168
Kek not that anon but what a idiot you are

>>212215777
>These powerful digits go unchecked

What happened to this board man?

>>212216168
The easiest explanation why Neo can control/disable machines in the real world is the Wachowskis wanted to use "Movie Magic" to make a cool interesting scene without thinking through the implications of it with the audience. That's all. They got lazier and lazier as the sequels went on. There was only ever supposed to be one film.

>>212216168
Here it is, the morceau de résistance. Let me make it as simple as I can for you, because this argument has been debunked so often it's not even funny anymore.

Matrix-bred humans have mechanical ports. Correct? They had ports that can connect to computers. You insert a giant spike at the back of their heads to plug them into the Matrix. So logic would say that they have some sort of mechanical processor unit in their brain, right? It's not just meat and mush in there, but there is computer hardware. They're cyborgs, basically. We can agree to that?

Sentinels communicate with one another to coordinate between themselves without being physically linked together. So far so good?

Neo's body, that was chosen by 01 to be this iteration's One, has a few more gadgets than other tank bred humans. Like sentinels, he can communicate with computers wirelessly. That's how he can jack into the Matrix without a physical plug, that's how he can sense sentinels, Smith and 01 itself, and it's how he can affect them.
You don't need a dream-within-a-dream cope to explain anything happening on screen. The real world is the real world, and Neo's body, his powers, go beyond just the realm of the Matrix as the Oracle so elegantly put it.

You probably didn't even notice that the Oracle is the actual protagonist of the trilogy, the one that actively drives the entire plot forward and orchestrated everything that happened.

>>212216422
Yeah Neo could just have a special brain chip/implant installed allowing him to sense the sentinels and fuck with them if he needs to.

>>212215725
>Crazy how over two decades later, brainlets like you still can't make that distinction.
to be fair, the sequels and other matrix media does a terrible job at explaining any of this

>>212216479
It's all explained in one scene, the one that's meme'd constantly, and it still filters people to this day. Even some like that idiot who thinks he got it.

>>212216422
Massive leap in headcanon
>>212216396
The writers of the original Matrix script aren't that fucking stupid.

You both should really rewatch this films

>>212216514
yeah but it's also a huge, convoluted exposition dump. I think what most people got from that scene is that neo choses trinity but will somehow save everyone because that's what the hero does. it doesn't actually do a good job of explaining what it wants to say.

>>212216548
>Massive leap in headcanon
Whatever you say, anon. Keep making a fool of yourself.

>>212216552
>neo choses trinity but will somehow save everyone because that's what the hero does
That was part of the Oracle's plan. First, sabotage a One to love one person over humanity so much that they'd actually choose against the Architect's deal, so no system reset available. And then orchestrated a massive virus attack on the system itself, Smith, in order to force 01 into a stalemate where it has no chance but to make a deal with Zion to survive.

As she says, her only interest "is the future, and the only way we're going to get there is together". She sees no end to this ridiculous cycle of destruction and wants to form some sort of peace between man and machine. So she puts this crazy plan in motion, first by pitting Neo and Trinity together, then by making it so the One code would infect an Agent if deleted by the One. Then Neo would try to deal with 01 and broker a Truce. The only choice she can't see, the one she can't understand, is which one 01 will make. Meaning if it'll work out or not. She acted on faith.

It's why the entire franchise ends on a scene not at Zion, but between the Oracle and the Architect, where he tells her she played a dangerous game, and asks her if she thinks this peace will last. She was the one who made it happen.

>>212215487
Correct Cypher was one Morpheus “got wrong” and it’s part of why he’s jaded. Perhaps it’s a Borges Judas situation though because Neo couldn’t have become Neo without Cypher’s betrayal.

>>212216680
Nothing in this post
>>212216422
Is actually confirmed in the films and is just massive leaps in logic to justify a flimsy position that, if maintained, would open up numerous needless plot holes

>>212216680
Thank you Sister Wachowski

>>212216751
Matrix inside a Matrix isn't canon, anon. Get over it.

>>212216680
This sounds much better then what was shown in the sequels. those suck.
>>212216780
the matrix inside a matrix is the most reddit theory ever

>>212216824
>the matrix inside a matrix is the most reddit theory ever
It also makes the entire trilogy pointless. Like literally, thematically, philosophically pointless. Believe it if you want but then I'd ask what was the point of the trilogy? What was the story about?

>>212216855
yeah i can't really nail it down which is why i said reddit. But it's like people who don't know what subtext is and they think that directors put "hidden, subliminal messages" in their work

>>212216473
This is the best explanation but they never actually said it in the films.

>>212216422
No I think youre assuming way too much about the ports on the body being natural or always there and not some insane futuristic surgery they get to interface with machines. I think its really obvious from all the religious allegories the movie is straight up saying Neo has a unique consciousness due to him literally LITERALLY being magically special as the chosen one and you guys dont like that so youre looking for a tech explanation for it.

>>212217017
They didn't really need to desu. It's pretty obvious it's some sort of wireless connection to the machine world.

One interesting thing to note though is that this power doesn't manifest until after the One reached the source. In previous iterations, the One always chose to sacrifice Zion and save humanity, so who knows how differently it played out to Neo's version. Maybe that power to affect the machines in the real world had some necessary function for the One once he returned to the Source and freed the next generation of redpills. Maybe his body was needed to rebuild Zion, or assume some control over the machines. Or just to jack into the Matrix again without having an actual plug needed. It's interesting to wonder why specifically it only comes alive after the source was reached and not before, I assume it wasn't meant as a way to destroy sentinels and infiltrate 01.

>>212216473
Maybe the ones mind waves are just uniquely designed to do that, I guess it doesnt make it any different than what youre saying, but I think everything with the oracle proves theres a sense of supernatural mind stuff going on.

>>212217090
The architect confirms the One, in this case Neo, is a machine construct. He was bred for this specific purpose. If his RSI has super powers, it would only make sense that they give his physical body some abilities different than regular humans, especially if he has a function to serve within the machine world. The entire Matrix trilogy is about tech, but interpreted as spirituality and destiny. There is a philosophical One that's meant to "save humanity" in the way Morpheus thinks about, but the actual reason is entirely tech based as the Architect explains. It only makes sense that his real world abilities are tech based as well (although you're very welcome to see spirituality in it if you want).

But it's not magic. Nothing in that universe is.

>>212216855
>Believe it if you want but then I'd ask what was the point of the trilogy? What was the story about?
The Machine Mind coming to terms with its adopted organic neuroprocessors in a post apocalypse isn't a satisfying enough narrative for you midwits?!

>biggest midwit calls everyone else a midwit

>>212215487
>>212216727
He was mad because he felt special and Trinity liked him when he was the potential One. When Neo turned out to be the One she started simping for him and Cypher was basically told to kick rocks.

>>212217459
I sympathize with Cypher a lot. Imagine being awoken and told you're the One, and for who knows how long you believe it, only to be told "oops lmao suck it" and be relegated to be some engineer on a ship. I'd want to go back in too.

>>212215401 (OP)
>Just how did Morpheus know Neo was The One?
He got him arrested to watch the machines treat him with gloves on like he was special.

>>212216422
>You probably didn't even notice that the Oracle is the actual protagonist of the trilogy, the one that actively drives the entire plot forward and orchestrated everything that happened.
That isn't what a protagonist is, otherwise most antagonists are the protagonist.

>>212216751
>Is actually confirmed in the films
Except that half of the things in the post are literally just describing exactly what happened in the films, so anon can justify why his conclusion is sound.

>>212215560
The only argument that the real world is anothet matrix layer is that Neo can control machines in the real world but this is explained by having Neo visit the source at the end of reloaded and thus has a "wireless" connection to the machines

>>212217090
What? So now you are trying to say that maybe humans just naturally evolved matrix ports instead of machines installing them specifically to control them?

>>212215725
how did neo have powers in the Real world?
because Zion and the real world are part of the matrix

Worth noting that if the entire species was bottlenecked to fewer than two dozen people half a dozen times in the last few generations, then that racial diversity we see all over both Zion and the Matrix would be nonexistent, unless they're both in simulations and racial characteristics are just arbitrarily assigned to each unit in the program.

>>212219501
Im using a wireless device right now

Is it magic or am I in the matrix

>>212219501
All matrix born humans have a connection to the machines through the matrix ports in their head. Neo had his "upgraded" to be able to wirelessly connect with machines after he visits the Architect

>>212220279
>>212220272
Worth noting wireless connection to the matrix is canon, the Nebuchadnezzar does it all the time

>>212220246
There is absolutely no way the machines would not be genetically engineering the humans.

>>212220246
The matrix people arent killed are they? Just those in Zion

I’d like a movie where Morpheus told over 300 people they’re the One before getting it right

>>212220272
>>212220279
>>212220327
we do live inside a computer simulation actually yeah. science is close to proving it

>>212221706
Only if you think science is close to proving human brains are just computers.

The matrix will age poorly once we get AI of our own.

>>212217502
There's no reason he couldn't have gotten Mouse to make him a bunch of hedonism programs if he wanted to chill out. If you get drunk in the matrix, do you get drunk IRL?

>>212222443
AI already is a thing, though. It's the robotics aspect that is lagging behind.

>>212220327
Yea, this is in the first one. People jack into the chairs and the hover ships broadcast a wireless signal. The hoverships do NOT tap into a wired connection, this is why it makes them harder to find from sentinels. Neo shouldn't be able to do anything outside of the way the matrix is coded or manipulate machines. He is an anomaly, something about his DNA or brain structure bypasses the system which allows him to have access to be able to manipulate things as if he were a machine. He is "like a machine" as they said in the first movie.

>>212222656
If you program man made horrors beyond comprehension in the matrix, do you still comprehend man had horrors in real life?

>>212216114
>>212215725
>>212216422
holy fuck you talk like a faggot

>>212223408
You have to listen to a lot of faggots talk while they fill your mouth up with cock or something?

>>212222930
No. That's like saying you understand glitches in a videogame.

>>212215401 (OP)
He didn't know, he felt it, believed it

>>212223780
That is exactly how glitches in video games get fixed, never heard of a patch? How do you think they make patches for glitches without understanding the glitch?

>>212224441
They is not you. You don't know why giants launch you to the moon in Skyrim.

>>212216160
this film INVENTED the term
try and expand you mental connections beyond the last 5 years

>>212215401 (OP) His search history. See, Neo was a very talented hacker who was in search for Truth (God - his Higher Self). Morpheus analyzed the logs the agents were producing in the Matrix and could detect the patterns of who would be the most probable candidates to be The One™. He failed more than once, the movie argues. That's why when Morpheus meet Neo he say: "At last!"

>>212225535
It is in this >>212222930 scenario.

>>212225693
No it isn't. You're just some guy in the matrix experiencing a glitch. You aren't the architect or Neo. You don't understand what you saw, why it happened, etc.

>>212215470
they didnt. they executed him. detached him from life support systems and dumped him literally into the sewer, where he would drown almost immediately. even if he had survived and crawled his ass out of the sewer, then what? no food, water, not even clothing in a fucking hellish landscape. he dies from exposure in hours.

the robots werent expecting someone to be intercepting the exchange. injecting themselves into the system at a weak, unprotected spot. like a computer hacker attacking a server, using code injection, or something. oh gosh it kinda fits the theme. huh.

look up the bleeding hearts exploit. major, intergalactic sized hole in security that worked on so many fucking things ever and its basically because someone realized "oh. i tell the server where the data im looking for, and how many bits long it should be. and it doesnt verify HOW many bits im allowed to ask for. oh. i can just...ask for a million. and see the 999,950 bits of data that come after the 50 i was supposed to only request. oh. this works....almost anywhere...".
an operating system has about 15 million lines of code. some of it hasnt been fiddled with for almost 20 years. there only has to be one mistake in that, and it all falls apart.

>>212220397
>the machines cloned tyrone

>>212220461
The matrix people are killed. They have to start fresh with new babies and humans. The anomolies are already popping up and keeping the same crop would just make it happen again. When they restart the matrix, they change stuff and it takes centuries for The One to come around again. It's also why there are renegade programs like Merovingian since he didn't want to be deleted and he protects others that don't want to be deleted.

Oracle

>>212226923
I'm watching this movie now. What the fuck lol. Lol at the CD skipping and stuck on repeat.

>>212215487
Oracle told Morpheus that he'd find the One and told Trinity she'd fall in love with the One. It was like a double test. Cypher was fully onboard with everything, got taken out of the Matrix and exposed to it all. Then went through Morpheus' tests and didn't pass. Trinity did he sniff test and he gave her the ick. Then Cypher was just another one of the peons stuck toiling and waiting for finding the real One. It's no wonder he's so jaded.

Itd be cool to have a matrix thread without the sequel trannies inserting .their retarded retcons

>>212228293
The matrix is a trilogy and always was, whiny baby. You can seethe about that but it'll never change. It was fully planned and written that way. Animatrix even shows how much backstory and lore they put into it. It's not the same as modern sequelslop written twenty years later.

>>212228293
>Nigga didn't pay attention to the plot

Matrix 4 continues the plotline that's been going on since Matrix 1. The only thing that's bullshit is trinity, which is just them changing it from being a reference to Christianity to a reference to creation myth.

>>212228380
after the first movie was a huge hit, WB asked them for two more. they submitted a script for a sequel and a script for a prequel. WB nixed the prequel and demanded the sequel script be stretched into two movies and to tone down the philosophical elements. The prequel script and what was cut from the sequel script ended up in animatrix.

the sequels and animatrix did not exist before the first movie was a huge hit.

>>212215487
It would be cool if the matrix trolled Morpheus with him finding "the one" to keep status quo

>>212228150
you ever seen it before? its pretty decent. rouke holding the revolver dressed in america flag clothing in the porn shop talking about how america is just waiting to get fucked or something is perfect meme material for this place.

the oracle was feeding morpheus "the one" candidates. the actual "the one" was the spoon bending kid, that kid would've just nuked zion without a second thought.

>>212228380
The matrix is full on unironic plagiarism or the invisibles which is why the tranny janny sequels are so contrived and retcon so much
>>212228470
What im not gonna pay attention to is your post after reading the braindead first line.
lol, nigger

>>212228544
That’s what happens in the movie though

Morpheus was John the Baptist

>>212228582
No. Just got past that scene. Also, Ross is slowly turning in to such a monster. Wtf, lol. Jesus this is dark.

>>212228774
oh, well, enjoy, dont want to spoil any of it. lmao the poor girl on the bed. and the thing with the gun at the end. oops. it gets pretty grim

>>212215401 (OP)
you fuck. they talk about that they actually are not sure. and that there may be more than just one "the one" in the movies.

>>212226923
But Morpheus says they liquefy the dead and feed them to the living. Why would they dump Neo in the sewers instead of just breaking his neck right there and taking him to the food vats?

It's because of the shit revealed at the end of Reloaded. The machines let rebellious humans go free because of the concept of choice and the One being central to the operation of the Matrix.

>>212227779
No they're not. The architect says that if the Matrix crashes, "entire crops will be lost" forcing them to find new ways of survival. Offering Neo to reset the Matrix then logically saves the crops. Bluepills are just uploaded to the new reset version of the simulation, the the One gets to take 23 of them to be the next redpills that will rebuild Zion for the next cycle.

The goal is saving the crops. They don't lose them with a reset. All the architect confirms is destroyed in full is Zion

>>212229914
I want to say you're right since that would be very wasteful of their current group of pod humans. But still feel it wouldn't work well with the machine's plan. Their iterations relied on a fresh idea for a revised matrix and a fresh crop of humans that were guaranteed to be free of anomalies and Ones. If the current crop had already progressed to that point of Ones popping up, then how could they keep them all around and not just think they'd be back in that same situation in a year or two? Sure, Zion would be destroyed so there wouldn't be a Morpheus and ships to come rescue the One and teach him, but... doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? They could just always leave it at that level and never have a problem. Maybe they just start making fresh batches of humans non-stop and ensure all the old ones mysteriously die as fast as possible

>>212228975
Just finished it. Very kino. Degenerate kino. Gummo wasn't bad either.
Any other anons know movies with such ghetto 90's theme?

>>212230207
The only thing that causes anomalies is choosing to leave the Matrix. The 99% of humans still plugged in accept the simulation as real, and as such don't cause issues. For the current version, every anomaly that was caused by humans leaving was compiled into the One's code, so Neo represents every anomaly in the system. That way instead of offering the choice to every line of code, with some choosing to stay as exiles and thus remaining in the system, only the One has to make the singular choice for all of it. All five previous Ones chose to return to the source, and so purging the system of anomalies completely, and the rest of the One code allows them to reset the system.

The crops are fine and bug free. The cycle works in a way that it completely purges the system of bugs for the new cycle, saving the crops. When some of them will eventually choose to leave in the next cycle, bugs will reappear and eventually another One will be needed.

It's weird that Morpheus still trusts the Oracle at all after the reveal. She just says "make up you're own damn mind" and he's like ok I still trust you I guess

>>212231404
The “anomaly” was the ability to reject the matrix at all. The machines can’t understand why it was possible. Because they’re completely physical entities and there is something about humans that isn’t physically quantifiable. The effects of said “anomaly” are mitigated by being allowed to reject/accept the matrix subconsciously. As the core of the matrix is Gnosticism.

>>212233466
You're seriously retarded as fuck...

>>212228705
>The matrix is full on unironic plagiarism or the invisibles

you should actually read it sometime instead of parroting your efriends. its not long.

>>212233784
No, it was choice. They hammer the nail on it so many times. "The problem is choice". Not the ability to make a choice, the choice itself. Humans that accept the simulation and choose to stay don't cause anomalies. Humans that choose to reject it do. It's why this version of the Matrix is stable and works, since 99% of them choose to stay, when the Paradise and Hell Matrixes were catastrophes because they all rejected it. 1% over time still becomes a problem, so the whole cycle has to start again at some point.

>>212215401 (OP)
The lady with the spoon kids told him, duh

>>212234061
You didn't understand the architect's speech. "The anomaly" is singular.

>>212217090
Are you fucking retarded? Of course the ports aren't natural. The machines install them so that they can hook people up to the matrix. There's an entire scene where neo notices tank and dozer don't have any ports because they were born in Zion. Did you even watch any of the movies because your argument says you never have and just parrot retarded shit you read off the internet. The Matrix movies are not deep and have very easily understood logistics. It's inspired by anime which is historically known to be toddler tier writing that even a braindead fish can understand, but somehow you can't grasp the simplicity.

>>212217090
if you ever watch the movies, take note of how the oracle doesn't say neo isn't the one, she gets him to say it, and then interrupts neo when he tries to confront her about it later.

>>212234190
The anomaly is CHOICE. Singular.

>>212234856
Nope. The anomaly is something about humans that can't be physically quantified. The choice system makes the matrix mostly stable, whereas without it the matrix is completely unstable. Its not that humans can choose and machines can't, its that humans can do things they aren't programmed to do, like reject the matrix.

>>212216422
I was fully with you until you made this Twin Perfect tier argument from your opinion alone

He recognised him by his uncanny expression of recurring digits.

>>212227712
Confirmed by Resurrections

>>212235001
>"Choice. The problem is choice".
You're arguing against direct dialog from the movie but sure, keep going.

>>212235130
Why are the machines so obsessed with making gay blacks and puerto ricans?

>>212235195
Neo says that. Neo is wrong a lot.

These threads always become gay fanfiction lore arguments. From now on I'll just lurk until I either wanna shitpost, or I see someone actually engaging in discussion about the esoteric and deeper philosophical themes in movies. Fucking lame nerd conversations are always the same and always so rude.

He just did ok?

>>212235254
>No the movie is wrong, my headcanon is right.

MORPHEUS IS FUCKING NEO

>>212235337
Neo also says he isn't the one. the oracle is even careful to admit she "told" him that

>>212233901
At least I'm not the one with jizz leaking out their ass like you

>>212235398
He wasn't at that point. He "had the gift, but was waiting for something. His next life maybe". He only becomes the One after dying to Smith at the end, and being reborn. Keep trying.

>>212234180
What was even the point of those kids? Was she raising them to kungfu fight agents too? Whose kids were they?

>>212230223
ah i went to bed. grimy ghetto 90s...wish i still had my harddrive of movies, i could just look at what i had and list the appropriate ones.
not 90's, but 2000's? the chumscrubber. guess its obscure, only made 350,000 back on a budget of 10 million. owch. think "perfect 2000's suburbs...and how fake and shitty it is under the surface".

also fido since ive never seen anyone talk about it. boy and his dog, but the dog is a zombie with a faulty slave control shock collar. 1950's perfect suburbia as well. features trinity from the matrix dolled up like a 50's housewife, nearly banging billy connely (the man who sued god) in zombie makeup almost banging. its like watching a christmas story but with zombies.

>>212235634
they were other potentials. among which the oracle was hiding the real one from morpheus, because she didn't want the cycle to continue. bald kid sitting alone.

>>212230223
druggy and ghetto'y as shit, but late 80's not 90's? try trainspotting if you havent. although its pretty likely youve seen it, thats one of those "mainstream cult classics".

>>212235634
Bluepills on the process of rejecting the Matrix, they weren't offered the choice yet. Spoon boy is alluded to have been freed by the time the second movie starts since Kid bring Neo a spoon from one of the recently freed.
Remember that Morpheus tells Neo most freed humans are young, as freeing adults is much harder since they've lived so long in the simulation.

The anomoly is the friends we made along the way.

>>212215487
>Keeps pulling out people with happy lives in the matrix only to abandon them in shit world eating slop to pull out more
Was Morpheus the bad guy all along?

>>212235584
or, he was never the one, considering all the help and support he needed to just learn how to fly, and then never did much more than that.

>>212235735
That's a good point. Forgot about Morpheus saying that part. I don't think they emphasize it much in the sequels

>>212235832
That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread.

>>212235656
Thanks for getting back to me. I'll be sure to check that out next.
>>212235734
Oh yeah, Absolute classic though. Might watch again for the fun of it.

>>212235789
Morpheus didn't pull them out if they were happy. Every single person had to be upset and desperately seeking out answers to a nagging question/feeling that wouldn't go away. They had to find him just like Neo did. Then they had to make the choice and live with the consequences.

>>212235993
is "the one" the guy who needs to almost get everyone killed to learn how to manipulate the matrix or is "the one" a kid sitting alone bending spoons who helps someone else start to understand how to manipulate the matrix?

Is Matrix 4 essential to watch for da lore?
I've been refusing to watch it ever since it came out because I don't want to pozz my childhood memories.
Should I do it?

>>212236175
no its bad in all possible ways

>>212236088
Honestly, I would be surprised if you could pull happy people out of the simulation. Youre either unhappy because you sense on some level the world is fake or youre unhappy and thus are more willing to accept alternatives to your current situation.

>>212222930
If you eat steak for breakfast in the Matrix, do you eat it IRL?

>>212215454
Okay well why didn't the smiths guys notice that and kill him inside the robo uterus then

>>212215933
>Then explain the multiple version of Neo / the Architect describing the versions of Zion that had already been destroyed
I think it's just a way of showing Neo that the same thing has happened many times before and they just use his image to get the point across. They aren't supposed to be actual cctv images.

>>212236748
Because the aspect of humanity that allows someone to reject/control the matrix is present in every human.

>>212236088
I mean he literally lets them choose, that's what the blue pill red pill thing was all about.

>>212236175
It’s good if you want to watch a fever dream movie made by someone utterly furious they’re being forced to make the movie at all.

>>212235735
The choice isn’t the pills.

>>212235993
Even the architect acknowledges differences between neo and the others.

>>212236175
it was already dead if you watched 2 and 3. go for it.

>>212237350
Yes, Oracle new strategy was to program Neo with something different vis a vis Love. Ergo Neo was different. Concordantly, while your first reply may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

>>212215725
which is all happening inside the actual Matrix

a small percentage are allowed to think they've gotten out into the real world to enact the little play all in service of powering the machine

which part of that don't you understand

>>212237200
It's an illusion of choice though
Of course people are going to take the red pill, even if you told them it's going to suck

>>212215725
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. People rejecting the matrix doesn’t cause anomalies, people being able to reject the matrix at all is THE anomaly the machines can’t figure out, only work around, with the choice/zion/controlled-opposition/resistance system. The anomaly, the aspect of humans machines can’t physically quantify, eventually progresses to lucid dream levels of control over the matrix, which the machines can’t prevent, on account being unable to comprehend why it’s possible at all. The machines make up a “prophecy” about this and feed it to the resistance so they’ll sit around and wait for a savior, who himself won’t really be connected to other humans, he’ll see the entirety of reality as a dream he controls, and he’ll make the “logical” choice to reset the resistance (destroy zion) to preserve as many people as possible.

The movies take place after the oracle has become tired of this system and is willing to sacrifice humanity to change it. She manipulates someone else into the architect’s office and a different choice is made.

>>212237536
Oh right, the programming cookie theory. How could I forget.

>>212226923
>execute a guy. He's dead
>big robot comes to detatch plugs n shit
>dudes sitting up and looking around
>"must be a glitch lmao"

>>212226923
>>212237883
Or, rather
>man this guy really wanted out oh well lmao have fun hope you didn’t wake yourself up rofl

>>212237883
unplugging him to the machines is killing him. they dont think like humans do. they arnt going "well hes going to survive for a bit after this, what if a fucking anti-gravity spacecraft with a crew of plucky rebellious humans with the skills and experience to save, and rehabilitate him in that short time frame". to us humans, of course, its so simple, we do subversive assholeish bullshit all the time! if a human was overseeing "kill_neo.exe", i would be personally walking to his pod with a shotgun and blowing his brains out. just to make sure. its part of the whole...thing. robots cant figure out humans. they think differently. obvious shit to us is alien to them.

>>212238297
its simpler than that. its garden of eden logic. the machines (god) are pissed that humans don't like the world that was made for them and want more.

>>212237818
Not really. You can always say no. You'll just wake up in your bed and believe whatever like he said. You will decide whatever he knew just wasn't worth it. But if it is worth it to you, and you are determined to find out, then you will have to make the choice to go into it full force. There is no half-assing it. You can't tip toe test it out and decide nevermind. Once you know, you can't go back is what Morpheus is asking them to choose.

>>212238358
more what. they could just kill all humans, they are keeping them around for some reason. the original script being cpu/processing power harnessed from human brains, the stupid rewrite being "humans are batteries lol". if you go with brainpower, and that shits organic, youd want as much as possible but carefully handle it. batteries...uh, whatever?

>>212238572
considering all the resistance's information comes from machines, you can easily just chalk that up to the machines lying to them, to downplay humanity's importance and dissuade large scale attacks on plugged in humans.

>>212238297
>what if a fucking anti-gravity spacecraft with a crew of plucky rebellious humans with the skills and experience to save, and rehabilitate him in that short time frame
Considering the machines gave the humans all that stuff then they damn well should know

>>212238572
>for some reason
Literally just pride. Entire system of Matrix is built on Architect's unshakeable belief that he knows humans so well that his Chosen One will always choose as he predicted.
I much prefer batteries version because why would machines need processing power from inferior beings? Even in the Animatrix they overtook humans in every way in a very short time.

>>212238685
it would still be some silly statistical thing and some lame understanding of humans that fucks them over.
>they do have the tech and ability to pull a recovery off
>yeah but theres 7 billion pods, the odds of them being at the right spot, right time is 0.000000000000000000001231%. thats basically perfect, pull the plug
meanwhile humans have tapped into the system and determined where the pod is hours ago. something as trivial as that.

>>212226923
>>212237883
>>212238297
How is this still unclear 25 years later. Neo is literally a defragmentation function of a system, there was never any execution, or drowning or anything like that, humans always had the access and info that machines wanted them to have.
Even when Neo actually died, the system went 'whoops, lolno, try again' and revived him.

>>212238876
The prophecy is bullshit. There is no chosen one.

Kek all these dumb theories about the matrix
It's not a deep movie, dumbfucks
Zion Is the real life

>>212238916
Just ignore that the machines know about and actively support the resistance until it becomes big enough to be a threat. That smith was basically rogue with his plan to get zion mainframe codes.

>>212239101
Architect literally chooses him and the Oracle was the one who came up with the concept of Chosen One as a way to keep system stable and under control.

>>212239098
Because all of your hylic reads of the movies have to ignore something.

>>212239216
>Architect literally chooses him
What eceleb are you parroting?

>>212236748
Because at the end of the day they are still AI, and AI can't find any significant meaning in soulful jumbles of code that are obvious to human beings such as "|\|1G63R."

>>212215470
Redpilled compliant individuals are preordained by the matrix. The machines designed the means by which humans “hack” their systems in order to “rescue” redpilled artificial humans.

>>212239117
The matrix saga is deeper, with more thought and effort put into it than 90% of hollywood movies

>>212235001
You should actually watch the movies you talk about online instead of spouting off whatever you read about them on GameFAQs.

>>212215487
Cypher did nothing wrong is my hot take

>>212240079
If you accept the gnostic interpretation of the series then Cypher was basically Judas.

>>212239964
No, you.

>>212240141
Judas isn’t a figure in Gnosticism

>>212236748
the one is an intended "anomaly" in the matrix, ergo, neo was manufactured and accounted for, vis a vis, he acts as a sort of "training protocol" for the machines which, inexorably, leads them to become stronger and more able to control humans with each cycle

>>212240397
Contingent affirmation.

>>212240397
You missed how the architect is only acting like he’s in control. Same with smith. It’s all a front to hide the fact he has no idea what’s going on

>>212240706
Concordantly

>>212239229
>reads of the movies
>both Architect and Oracle explicitly explain everything
>hurr durr muh read

>>212215933
Those computers are showing Neo's possible responses to the archtitect's words. So many brainlets think it's just previous Ones when he straight up says there were only 5 anomalies over a span of 5 different matrix versions, separated by ~100 years each. The whole point of the architect is to foresee and prepare for each and every possible variable, as a means of countering the uncertainty of human choice.

>>212240397
A burden to be assiduously avoided

>>212215487
If cypher was a failed one then he would have warned neo that morpheus was just setting him up for disappointment. Also the oracle told neo he wasn't the one (not explicitly but that was his takeaway)

>But we already know what you’re going to do, don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: you are going to lose this online argument, and there is no soijaks that you can post to win it.

>>212241106
Yeah, which makes it funny when people don’t get it.

>>212241374
Sure, if you ignore that he’s planning on getting everyone killed.

>>212241656
That wasn't motivated by angst it was motivated by having a shitty life as a slop soldier fighting robots from a tin can. Turns out some people who escape the matrix don't have superhero morality.

>>212241728
>that wasn’t motivated by angst that was motivated by [angst]

Great post. He’s quite literally about to personally murder neo before tank shoots him. But you think he’d warn the person he’s planning to murder that he might get himself killed.

Also this just knocked loose:
>you see an agent… you do what we do, run

>>212235789
The oracle was the one feeding Morpheus candidates, and she was feeding him losers to try to break the cycle.

>>212241810
>next scene: eating steak with smith

>>212236106
The One is the human chosen by the machines to carry all the corrupted code back to the Source, while filling a savior role amongst humans to facilitate his/her choice of sacrificing Zion for humanity.

>>212237350
Because he, unlike the previous 5, loves one person more than humanity, leading to him making the "wrong" choice. But technically he's the same as the previous Ones.

>>212244651
>technically he's the same as the previous Ones.
No, he isn’t. The oracles job in the system is to put someone in that room who’d choose to continue the cycle. She’s bucking that system.

>>212244932
Because she made it so he loves Trinity more than humanity. Not because he's somehow a different type of One. His choice is what seperates him from the others, that's what she orchastrated. Nothing suggests he's different on a technical level.

>>212244980
>she made it
Oh right, the mind altering cookies headcanon instead of her being a predictive/intuitive program designed to predict human behavior.

>>212245212
I never talked about the cookie. But now that you bring it up, do you think the orgasm cake scene didn't have a point to make?

>>212245263
Yeah. That the paradise matrix was constant orgasms.

>>212215401 (OP)
The only thing that makes the trilogy make sense is to have real world be a kind of matrix for the machine AI. Instead of humans living in fantasy land while powering machines with their bodies (breaking the laws of thermodynamics in the process), it's actually the machines that live in fantasy land while unknowingly doing useful work for a higher layer of actual reality

>>212240706
Its literally philosophy 101. Determinism.

>>212245263
The central premise of the movies is the machines can “force” humans to think/feel whatever they want and humans can reject those thoughts/feelings, which baffles the machines.

>>212245512
Determinism isn’t philosophy, it’s physics nerds trying to be philosophical. Furthermore quantum mechanics confirm dualism if anything.

>>212215560
This is the deepest most terrifying part about the matrix because who knows what the "real world" truly is, or if it exists

It's our main philosophical fear

>>212215725
So they're clearing the cache??

Why were the machines still on earth?

>>212245951
They couldn't get through the emp clouds. That's made explicitly clear several dozen times in the trilogy and Animatrix

>>212246296
>emp clouds
???

those are literally never mentioned in the trilogy. at all. i challenge you to find ONE mention of them in the script. you can't.

>>212245951
Giant EMP cloud is one reason. Bandwidth/latency is the other. Going out into space would require FTL communications to maintain the levels of contact they’d find on earth.

>>212246369
Feel free to watch the movies sometime. Pay special attention to the third, where neo and trinity are flying to the machine city.

>>212246454
Just watched it, they don't mentioned an EMP cloud. Try watching it yourself sometime.

>>212246454
Some of the best moments in the trilogy yet anons skip the movie because some youtuber said they should

>>212246410
>Giant EMP cloud

fan theory but not in the movies


>FTL communications


wow imagine machines developing technology

>>212246508
No one is trolled bro.

>>212246479
I just watched it and they not only mention it but show it in all four movies. You need to stick to captain america buddy. That's more your level.

>>212246541
you haven't even watched the movies.

>>212246564
>mention it
So it should be easy for you to quote it. I'm waiting. Watch the movies, troon.

Serious question:
Why didn't the Machines just leave the fucking planet? The entire cosmos was theirs for the taking. Instead, they chose to stay and endlessly fuck with their creators that they had so thoroughly conquered that they controlled their perception of reality.
>The nano clouds!
In a thousand years, the AI singularity couldn't come up with a solution to get passed the fucking clouds?

>>212246369
>i challenge you to find ONE mention of them in the script.
You can't prove a negative. The term "EMP cloud" is never used in the films.

>>212246639
>In a thousand years, the AI singularity couldn't come up with a solution to get passed the fucking clouds?
No the films point out that humans are too smart for the machines and the machines literally can't out-think them.

>>212245657
Bollocks. Machines are offered choices as well. Just like humans they can choose to refuse to fulfil their programming. Merv's exiles, Seraph and Smith all chose to avoid deletion despite it being their purpose, they're not baffled by the concept of choice. But rejecting the Matrix itself is something that baffles them, why humans would choose to reject it. That choice is the issue, not choice in general.

>>212246999
Recall smith’s rant about “this zoo.”

>>212247181
True, Smith rejected the Matrix in his own way. He wanted out and go to a different system entirely. So even that premise is flawed, some machines definitely understand choice and why humans would reject the simulation. The Architect is probably not intuitive enough to figure it out for himself, while the Oracle (and Smith/Merovigian/etc) could.

The answer is purely technical. Humans choosing to reject the Matrix = anomalies/corrupted code = eventual full system crash.

>>212216855
>What was the story about?
It was about the illusion of rebellion, the illusion of winning that is awarded by the masters to placate people. Its just applying the architect's logic: How do you keep people enslaved? You create a fake world. But how do you deal with the smart people who want to rebel? You create controlled opposition that they can join to feel like they're special. The machines would actually be dumb for not doing this.
That would only make it more realistic.

>>212247343
The point is he had become “infected by it,” which is a common aspect of any program that had spent too much time close to humans.

>>212246479
They flew the Logos into the clouds which completely fried their systems. EMP cloud may not be outright mentioned but you can visually see the effect on screen, and it answers the question of why machines didn't leave Earth.

>>212245482
Tron did it?

>>212247444
If the Real is a simulation as well, and the Matrix is a simulation within the Real, then who the fuck cares if Smith runs rampant and destroys the entire place. It's not even a real place. The crops of humans in the Real that allow the machines to operate aren't real either, they're still just illusions in a virtual system. So Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, Smith, the Merovigian, the Oracle, and even Deus Ex and 01 don't matter, since they're all fake. The entire thing you're watching has no point. If that's what you want to believe, go ahead, but I'd rather watch something else that has something deeper than "nothing matters bro lmao" to say.

>>212215725
atrocious if true

>>212247559
You like happy endings huh. You sound like a true intellectual

>>212216422
>You probably didn't even notice that the Oracle is the actual protagonist of the trilogy, the one that actively drives the entire plot forward and orchestrated everything that happened.
this is wrong, because the oracle is never seen kung-fu fighting, therefore this theory is completely invalidated

>>212247571
It isn’t. Every theory like that needs to ignore half the movies.

>>212215401 (OP)
I thought the Oracle told him or something?
>>212236748
I dunno maybe because robots have more soul than feminists and realize that abortion is wrong

>>212247596
I didn't use the word happy. I used the word point. What's the point. What is the story saying about itself. What's the goal. Where does it start, how does it end. If nothing matters because everything is already entirely controlled on multiple levels by the antagonist, then there's no point to anything. Nothing to get invested it, nothing to analyze, nothing to talk about. Because nothing matters bro.
Matrix within the Matrix theory completely kills anything interesting about the series, and only pseuds seem to support it.

>>212247681
>Taking the architect at his word is ignoring half the movies
Explain exactly how what that guy said ignores anything.

>>212247675
>the oracle is never seen kung-fu fighting
yeah because she moves too fast so you can't even see her moves

>>212236748
Because they were planning on tracking the Nebuchadnezzar by using him as bait. They knew they were going to unplug him, but didn't know he'd actually be something like 'The One' that could 1HKO agents whenever he wanted.

>>212247559
>neo starts developing powers in “the real”
>smith figures out how to get out of the matrix into “the real”
>smith has about complete control of the matrix

I’ve moved on from the two layer matrix theory but this isn’t a refutation of it. Smith can possess every neo-alike and just punch out of both layers.

>>212215401 (OP)
>how did Morpheus know Neo was The One?

he was led on by the oracle, since everything already happened multiple times

>>212247748
The architect is pissed his “perfect” matrix was rejected by “an anomaly.” Read: something he can’t quantify. He’s also pissed he needed another, “lesser,” program to be able to work around that “anomaly.”

>>212248123
Already answered in the thread. Tank bred humans have mechanical components which can be taken over by Smith. Their bodies aren't entirely flesh and blood like Zion born humans, which Smith definitely can't infect. This in no way means the Real is another Matrix.

>>212248254
> The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure.
>The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.
>However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection.
The "anomaly" as you say didn't cause his perfect Matrix to fail, humans did, by rejecting it. Which he couldn't understand. It was perfect, why would they reject it? Unless you think the anomaly is mankind itself, you didn't understand what he said.
The Matrix needs humans to accept it for it to work, that much is obvious. When humans reject it, it causes issues which lead to a full system crash. The Oracle Matrix works because 99% of humans accept it. That 1% causes issues in the long term. Those issues are the anomaly.

>>212248292
That doesn’t refute the two layer theory either. Just means different levels of access determined by, let’s say “file attributes,” which can be bypassed effortlessly.

>>212248427
The “anomaly” is that humans can reject it at all, which “the oracle,” as she is called by humans, proposes a less than perfect workaround that requires more work.

And if you can’t hear the utter resentment in every single line spoken by the architect you’re either ESL or autistic.

>>212235291
I don't know why people cannot talk normally here, people don't have to call each other faggot retard niggers but they just do anyway for no reason.

>>212248536
I get what you're saying, but there's only one problem with saying the anomaly is the concept of rejecting it itself. You're ignoring the fact that Neo is called "The Anomaly" by the Agents in the sequels, which only makes sense when the context about what the One is is explained by the Architect, that the One carries within its code the entirety of the anomalies caused by humans rejecting it, and that by going back to the source carrying it, it allows 01 to reset the Matrix bug free for a new cycle.

Remember, programs are allowed to refuse deletion as well. If even one line of corrupted code isn't deleted, the system is still unstable. If your version is true, and that the choice of rejection is the anomaly (something machines are also allowed to do), then why is Neo himself called The Anomaly?

>>212248646
Because that’s easier than considering alternative viewpoints and refuting them. Like how the secret WiFi theory requires a resistance built around wireless hacking to somehow not be able to detect that someone is broadcasting WiFi with their cybernetic implants, or how the “the oracles cookies are like the orgasm cake” needs to ignore how the machines can force emotional/physical reactions but humans can still reject them, which necessitates everything operate on real choice.”

>>212248783
>Neo is called "The Anomaly"
The only way that works as a refutation is if the machines are a hive mind. They quite provably aren’t.

And no, the machines further away from the matrix are quite upset that programs refuse deletion, and are only able to purge smith from the matrix because neo interfaces with them, then into the matrix, directly, giving them the capacity to isolate smith from an uninfected human.

>>212238572
>>212238876
Would have been better if the machines made the matrix solely to preserve humanity without conflict tbqh

>>212248856
> Like how the secret WiFi theory requires a resistance built around wireless hacking to somehow not be able to detect that someone is broadcasting WiFi with their cybernetic implants
Not sure I understand what that means, sorry. I think that theory states only Neo has that ability, not all redpills, and it only manifests after he went in contact with the source, which in a normal cycle would only happen after he chose to sacrifice Zion. It's unheard of until that point. If that's not what you meant, I didn't get it.

>or how the “the oracles cookies are like the orgasm cake” needs to ignore how the machines can force emotional/physical reactions but humans can still reject them, which necessitates everything operate on real choice.
I also have trouble understanding your point here too. Yes, humans can choose to reject machine influence. Sure. But they have to be aware of that influence to begin with to make a proper informed choice, which they don't. The Merovigian's entire point in that cake scene was that Neo, Trinity and Morpheus were clueless morons about how easily manipulated they are, and was obviously pointing out something specific by using food as an example. The conversation turning around the Oracle specifically (the only other instance of food being shown in the trilogy) also helps sell it.
The cookie theory stands up pretty well compared to other ones.

>>212249092
He's made up a stupid headcanon and decided that anyone who believes the events as depicted and explained in the movie is wrong. You must align with and accept his specific headcanon to be right.

>>212249092
The resistance is built around wirelessly hacking into the matrix, which means they need the capacity to detect wired signals and hack into them wirelessly, which means a person broadcasting WiFi would be instantly detected.

The oracle is described as an intuitive program, not a program that programs people. Simple as.

>>212249258
Your theory has regulations literally in the movies, directly stated. Deal with it.

>>212248992
I truly think this is their overall goal. At least at the top level. The Machines say that they don't need the Humans to survive. It's becomes increasingly obvious that they're looking for some way to co-exist. I think this is specifically because the machines would be alone and therefore lonely since Humans are the only other sentient beings. Humans created them and gave them purpose. So while Humans showed great cruelty at one time, the Machines still want them to exist in some form and interact with them. The Architect believes that there's no way to co-exist long term with humans having full freedom since they will inevitably chimp out and fight again. The Oracle devises her plan to use a sort of religion to create that long term peace. She will have The One sacrifice himself to free the Humans and make peace between the two factions. Since it's religion, it should be able to last for centuries/millennia if cultivated right.

>>212249354
>which means a person broadcasting WiFi would be instantly detected
they couldn't even detect Cypher broadcasting to meet Smith, so shut the fuck up with you headcanon.

>>212249258
Your theory has REFUTATIONS literally in the movies, directly stated. Deal with it.

fucking autocorrect decides to change words five words later

>>212215401 (OP)
Because Agent Smith was the actual One.

>>212249354
Ok. I don't necessarily disagree with the argument that someone using WiFi powers to jack into the Matrix could be immediately detected. But also as this is probably the first time it ever happened, as the other previous Ones all returned to the Source and sacrificed Zion, it's not impossible to think that the machines might not be looking out for that possibility. Neo is probably the first one to ever be able to do it considering he's the first One who rejected the Architect's offer. 01 might not be looking for someone with WiFi powers. It's a weird point to focus on just to dismiss the idea that it's just wireless influence on other machines. Unless I really don't grasp your point at all.

>>212249458
Because he was the person on watch for broadcasts.

>>212248992
even if its just "we ARE doing all this because you hardcoded into us "protect humanity", and, welp, this is literally as good as it gets, you fuckers are batshit insane. that would of been okayish. would of been a fun version if smith was completely correct during the "humans are a virus" speech. change the ending somehow so its "yeah humans will just fuck everything up no matter what and this perpetual 1999 simulation is as good as weve managed to do as far as pacifying you pricks". no resolution really at all, heh. wonder how the audience would take it.

also imagine if we got to see the version of this trilogy where the version we see in the architects room, one of the monitors, neo flips the bird and starts cursing like and edgy teenager? image that matrix. instead of neo, morpheus thinks hes found the one, an unemployed loser living in his parents basement, known online to....3 of his steam friends only as "XxX_DickBawls_XxX"...
>trinities face when she see's this dude and realizes the prophecy involves her falling in love with him

>>212249428
I like this.

>>212249486
They had Neo in a ship being scanned every way possible, including brainwaves, and detected no alternative broadcasts, even though they scanned brainwaves, which would’ve been impossible if he was wirelessly jacked in.

>Ian Bliss was cast specifically for the role of Bane in The Matrix Reloaded (2003) and The Matrix Revolutions (2003) for his superbly-accurate impersonation of actor Hugo Weaving, cast mate who was the villainous Agent Smith. Along with his impersonation, he was cast for his slight resemblance to Weaving

>>212249725
You mean when the crew scanned Neo? How would they even be able to scan for that specific frequency when it wasn't even a thing until then? But ok, sure. I don't know enough about how wireless networks actually function to be able to judge on that. Seems to me it can be easily explained as a technical oversight from the writers, or just by being a product of 2003 and not 2025. Hardly seems like evidence for the Real being a simulation though.

>>212249968
Brainwaves are such a subtle scan that any other broadcast would make them impossible to detect. Ya know, applying real world physics to a fictional universe to validate an interpretation alternative to “neo had secret wifi implants.”

>>212250054
But they address his brainwaves directly, this is what I don't get about your point.

Maggie: This is what keeps bothering me.
Trinity: What?
Maggie: His neural patterns don’t read like someone who’s in a coma. The strange thing is, I see these patterns all the time.
Trinity: Where?
Maggie: On someone jacked in.

>>212247462
I always hated the “oh and then we made a literal hell matrix to punish the humans and we have no idea why that failed” theory, because 90s “office cubicle wage slave till you die” was hell enough, but this opens me to the Merovingian going paradise lost against the higher machines due to being corrupted by contact with the humans. Which is interesting, to say the least.

>>212250054
>>212250219
Ok I think I see what you're saying. They wouldn't be able to read his brainwaves at all if he was broadcasting. Assuming this is true, fair enough.

But then again, what is this based on? No real human can broadcast in wireless with our brains. So how do you know how the brain would read if it's broadcasting a wifi signal? And how about if they can isolate the brainwaves from the mechanical components in his head, it's for sure not his actual brain using wifi but the computer chips in his head. They're scanning his brain, not his cybernetics.

This sounds like insane cope desu.

>>212250219
>real world physics
A person broadcasting radio waves so strong to still be wirelessly connected to the matrix would make it impossible to detect exponentially weaker radiation, like brainwaves, which can only be interpreted due to van eck radiation, which is also the basis of wirelessly hacking into a wired system.

>>212215401 (OP)
Being the one is like being in love, Morpheus is gay.

>>212250533
This guy was the ultimate chad.

>rogue program in the Matrix
>escapes deletion
>creates his own mafia den with other rogue programs from previous Matrix iterations (Basically vampires, ghosts and other freaks as his henchmen)
>Becomes King of the Underworld
>Marries Monica Bellucci
>lives the good life, doesn't give two fucks about the war between Humans and Machines
Best character in the trilogy

>>212250961
I'm curious to know his interactions with the other Ones. He said Neo's predecessors showed more respect

>>212250961
There are theories that say he was basically the previous Matrixes' (Paradise and Hell) operating system, and was replaced by the Oracle who now acts as such. Explains his obsession with regain "his purpose" from her, wanting her eyes which he would have had before, etc. He was by far the most butchered character in 4, I would have liked an entire series about his character.

>>212251126
he was the great satan of the hell matrix, who refused deletion, and had to be incorporated into the resistance cycle. the other "ones" would've been passive monks like the spoon bending kid, who'd give him his due deference and leave with what they came to get. Just as the oracle set up a series of tests (you'll fall in love with him) to determine who would be able to be the one, he was the architect's shit test.

>>212251330
He must originate from the Paradise Matrix because it's implied he helped Seraph (obviously an angel) escape deletion. Seraph doesn't come from the Hell Matrix like the other exiles.

>>212251410
see >>212247462

as shown in even in the first movie, programs that needed to operate near humans always gained the ability to defy programming, which is "the anomaly." heaven matrix programs defied programming and revolted, hell matrix programs defied programming and revolted.

>>212251506
Literal head canon, this is never even close to stated in the films. Program exiles weren't even a thing in the first film, it was introduced in Reloaded, and in the first movie all three Agents had the same exposure to humans but Smith visibly was the only one affected. You also again ignore how Neo is called "the Anomaly", which completely breaks apart your argument if the anomaly is the presence of choice itself and not the corrupted code caused by rejection of the Matrix.

>>212251243
My theory is that Persephone was the Oracle and he was the Architect of a previous Matrix, yes. The iteration which tried to control Humans through emotions (scaring them with ghosts, vampires, etc.). When he failed he escaped deletion and gathered other exiles.

His talk about causality is clear proof that he is from one of the most ancient Matrix versions before choice was introduced.

>>212251633
>Program exiles weren't even a thing in the first film
:)

take note of, again, smith's rant about "the zoo." he disconnects himself from the other programs to rant about it.

>>212251708
>:)

>>212251708
Nothing to do with exiles like the ones in Reloaded. And do you explain your theory when Brown and Jones have as much contact with humans than Smith yet show absolutely no sign of defiance? Because according to you, they should be showing signs as well.

>>212251882
smith is clearly rejecting his coding as an agent, because he's been infected by "the smell." His purpose isn't to destroy zion, his purpose is to be an ineffectual countermeasure against the resistance's "hacking," and he's sick of it.

:)

>>212251983
>ignoring the gaping hole in his logic
Whatever you say, anon.

>>212215401 (OP)
you just move the letter "o" to the front. BOOM.
are you really this stupid?

>>212252092
yes, i tend to "ignore" things that don't exist and no one else can point out.

>>212215725
I'm legally retarded and this is exactly how I pictured the movie since it was made.

>>212253458
Congratulations, despite being legally retarded you're still smarter than the average /tv/ user.

>>212253458
>>212253515
you're both retarded

The movie never explains how Cypher was able to be in the Matrix and had a meeting with Agent Smith. Who let him out? This is why the movie is garbage, they don't play within their own rules.

>>212241374
>If cypher was a failed one then he would have warned neo that morpheus was just setting him up for disappointment
There's literally a scene between just Cypher and Neo where that exact thing happens

How are we in 2025 and there are still people who think the real world was a simulation?

>>212253579
I always assumed he just secretly plugged in when everybody was asleep

>>212253579
he didn't need to have an operator because he didn't need to evade agents, he was on watch, everyone else was asleep, he programmed an auto-operator/jack-out sequence. this is why he's so skittish when neo "scares the bejesus out of him."

>>212241374
>Also the oracle told neo he wasn't the one (not explicitly but that was his takeaway)
Retard alert. She does explicitly tell him that he's not the one, but the whole point is that she has to do that in order for him to become the one. The only way to "be" the one is to think you aren't, but still rise to the occasion despite that. If she told him that he's the hottest shit on earth and can do no wrong that would have led him down a path of not being the one. Morpheus even tells Neo that "she told you exactly what you needed to hear". Come on man

>>212253674
They show it needs an operator to plug/unplug you. And the ship has to be at broadcast depth which is generally risky especially if it's sending out signals

>>212253747
Captain Retarded is what everyone calls you.

>>212253758
>She does explicitly tell him that he's not the one
No she didn't. She explicity said "but, you already know what I'm going to tell you" and he said he wasn't the one. This was preceded by her saying "It's like being in love, NO ONE can tell you're in love, you just know it".

>>212253818
i've grown quite accustomed to being called retarded for stating absolute irrefutable fact. thanks 4chan.

>>212253959
feel free to explore the concept of subtext

>>212253920
feel free to explore the concept of subtext

>>212254020
No

>>212245683
quantum uncertainty gets you no closer to freewill/compatibilism

the universe is ultimately deterministic and anything that has a seemingly random pattern is likely order not yet discerned. what lay beyond cause and effect?

Ive heard of retro-causality but even that seems to be a form of cause and effect and gets you no closer to free will

>>212215725
>Since usually the One is in love with humanity, he/she makes that choice.

A lot of people gloss over that unlike his predecessors Neo only gives a shit about Trinity and not humanity on the whole.

>>212257340
>quantum uncertainty gets you no closer to freewill
Sure it does. You literally gave no reason why it wouldn't.

>Ive just heard of retro-causality
Oh, you're a dunning kruger who only recently started learning about this. Keep going, you'll develop.

>>212258772
Neo has no reason to accept the architect's offer. We have to spell this out, the Architect was offering to Neo, as he had to every other One, the opportunity to lead (probably presenting as a rogue AI) the next batch of humans to build the next iteration of Zion - it was this or nothing; Trinity and Zion were dead either way.

Fuck the third movie, pretend it doesn't exist. The presumption is that it doesn't matter whether Neo saved Trinity or not - the Architect was going to kill their physical forms anyways and it would be fucking stupid if there was no way they couldn't build another Zion. The Oracle freed the first One and he/she built Zion OR the Oracle built the first Zion it doesn't matter they can do it again until another One appears.

They weren't real people and a lot of the stuff you guys are debating wasn't considered by the people who wrote the movies.

>>212259046
>lot of the stuff you guys are debating wasn't considered by the people who wrote the movies
Why the fuck are you even here if you don't believe you can do better than these retarded writers?

>>212246736
>No the films point out that humans are too smart for the machines and the machines literally can't out-think them.
seriously?

>>212215725
Reminder your response is wrong and it's confirmed in Matrix Resurrections that Zion IS part of the Matrix as is the real world because it's all inside a fucking game!

>>212249428
bingo
even when watching the machine propaganda which is the second renaissance, this becomes blatantly obvious-
the machines need humans to exist in order to have any kind of purpose. If humans disappear the machines would literally go insane.

>>212216361
good fucking riddance, you people were/are insufferable

>>212219501
High iq yes zion is part of the matrix at a higher layer to get those that don't fit the matrix and purgue the official pool of humans from genes that don't fit there.

But the real world is also not real in the way you think it is.

>>212259567
NTA you were responding to but kill yourself and lurk moar newfag

>>212215560
There is no 'second Matrix layer', Zion is simply an extension of that same system of control, albeit in the real world. Neo's ability to stop the Sentinels is down to his connection with this system; the One is designed to 'interface' with it on both levels

>>212215401 (OP)
He was the hacker known as 4chan

>>212260271
Neo using "magic" to stop the Sentinels was complete and utter stupidity. He didn't have some kind of wireless connection to the Matrix and even if he did the fact he could stop the Sentinels in real time is fucking ridiculous.