>If you kill your enemies, they win

>>212250594 (OP)
slop fed to goy to convince them that le violence is never the answer do not lash out at your abusers.

>John Doe has the upper hand. If you kill him, he wins
>Margan Freeman looks into camera
>What do YOU think should happen, Anon?

>>212250594 (OP)
He should have raped him at gunpoint.

>>212250594 (OP)
why didn't he just beat him into a coma instead?

>>212250866
Why are you in every one of my threads?

>>212250594 (OP)
>If you kill your enemies, they win
"If my enemies die, I lose?

Then why are they my enemies in the first place?
Were they just misunderstood characters all along?

>If we kill him, we're no better than he ever was
ahh movie

>>212251002
If there's a Se7en thread, I post it

>>212250951
If he's a rapist then you can't rape him, or you would feel all good together.

>that guy who murdered your pregnant wife? yeah you should let him live because he'll "win"
there wasn't any moral dilemma here, I wouldn't have hesitated to kill Doe

>>212250594 (OP)
This is a christian concept, everyone that adapts this world view is adapting a christian concept. Just so you know.

He doesn’t win at all. The second he gets shot he no longer knows that he won or not, he doesn’t know that he died and that Pitt became Wrath.

Unless god is real in the movie, in which case sure. Although he’d probably get sent to hell. So it would be a very short lived win

>>212250594 (OP)
you wouldn't get it

>if you kill your enemy and they kill you at the same time, it's a tie and we go into sudden death overtime

>>212251268
Older I get, the more I just don't agree with Christianity's views on wrath (and pride, for that matter). Deficiency can be as bad as excess, and I'd say mercy for psychopaths qualifies as a deficiency.

>>212251296
proving the hypocrisy of the catholic god would be a huge win. but the catholic god doesn't exist at all, its a fabrication, which would also proved he won.

>>212251747
>mercy for psychopaths qualifies as a deficiency.
I think you're supposed to execute the psychopaths but pray for their souls. That's what Christians did for like 1500 years anyway.

>>212250594 (OP)
>>212251096
>>212251264
Cmon

If you get punched in the face, you should never punch back.
Don't let them win.

Wait a minute....
My enemy don't let me win, and I don't let him win too. How am I any better?

Guess I have to fucking punch through his skull.

>>212250594 (OP)
Rightness doesn't tolerate evil.

Otherwise, rightness would be evil.

>>212250866
morgon freeman was conceived, groomed, worked only to act in se7en
and he nailed it
great job mr black man, great job

>>212252013
evil doesn't exist. there are not mustache twirlers. the people who perform reprehensible acts get the same joy out of them as mother teresa got for comforting the dying.

>>212252166
No they don't they know it's fucked up. Jeffrey Dahmer had to get blackout drunk to do his murders, he couldn't stomach it sober. Other evil people numb themselves in different ways.

And the catharsis of rage and hatred is always mingled with a bunch of other awful feelings

>>212251841
Christians been executing everything that stepped out of line and praying for souls so they don't just look like the psychos with the power, but good guys. Humanity is still stumbling over moral and ethical problems a 4 yr old can understand.

>>212252166
Evil exists. I've met powerful moustache twirlers who allude to their crimes as they receive awards.

>>212252240
Sure some Christians, even most maybe, are full of shit. But I think some genuinely just believe that if you have a really bad guy, a serial killer for example, then all you can do is execute him but try to forgive him on some level, hope that maybe God can save him if he repents in his heart.

I don't think it's a crazy idea really.

>>212252220
now factor ted bundy into your worldview, who was clearly always fucking thrilled to be "getting away with it." Then factor gacy, who always said "fuck you"

>>212252220
Dahmer blotted himself out from his early teens onwards because he wanted to erase himself. Being a hard drinking faggot made parts of his personality mutate into horror instead of hobbies.

He could have been a gay taxidermist but slid into being a narcissist trying to build a temple to himself with body parts, surrounded by decerebrated zombie sex slaves.

>>212252344
Capital punishment is human sacrifice made to fear and loathing. When we do that we aren't better, just more powerful.

>>212252166
>the people who perform reprehensible acts get the same joy out of them as mother teresa got for comforting the dying
well, you are describing evil and kindness quite perfectly.

You are not saying retarded things like "pushing someone off a cliff and saving him from falling off the edge ARE THE SAME, cuz both are actions"
Right?
Then you might as well eat shit and save money on food, cause both are things you can put into your mouth.

>>212252356
I just don't believe these guys were just cheerful and happy. Idk the particularities of their psychologies but they have to have deeply mangled themselves to do those things.

Maybe just feeling nothing at all is one thing, maybe somr people are born cold. But sadism is more involved in than that

>>212252420
Capital punishment is just a very reasonable response to the behavior of a lot of violent criminals. They don't rehabilitate.

You're taking the worst case scenario here but it's not always like that.

>>212250594 (OP)
>if you kill every single globalist and immigrant the world will be a worse place afterwards
Normies believe this.

>>212250594 (OP)

>Look Mills I know you're angry; but if you kill him he wins. But if we rape him, how's he gonna spin that into a win huh? Look, I've got a tire iron in the trunk how bout we see how far we can get it up this sick fuck's ass?

>>212252452
Sadism us a failure to love, to engage with the other on their terms, or negotiable terms. It delights in ruining. When a sadist meets someone who loves suffering, they sense that and bore them to tears.

This is basic shit.

>>212252447
>you are describing evil and kindness quite perfectly.
Yes. I am. I am not going to acknowledge your desperate strawman.

>>212252489
>capital punishment
>reasonable
You sound black

>>212252537
First you need to prove it is a strawman
I don't think you could, at all

>>212252240
The juden in charge is forcing the concepts of “human rights” onto the increasingly nonwhite population while laughing all the way to Israel with your tax money.

>>212252512
you're confusing sadist with paraphile. a sadist meeting a masochist would delight. a paraphile meeting someone who could tolerate and/or accept any sensation would despair.

>>212252512
The fact that the sadist requires a reaction from their victim indicates that they have a social need being fulfilled. That social need is warped, but its still basically a desire for human contact. Sadists aren't merely amused by their victims in a detached way, it's personal and intense for them, they want to be recognized by the person they hurt.

This social element means they can actually model the other person, they can feel empathy, so they are performing self harm in an indirect sense.

>>212252551
All crime should have a certain “value” assigned to it and once you rack up enough “points” you get immediately executed with a bullet to the back of the head.

Certain crimes like murder, rape and permanent disfigurement should be punished with immediate execution.

All people with brown skin should be immediately executed if they break ANY law.

>>212252568
no, i don't.

>>212252551
White societies(and all races as far as I know) have had capital punishment for the vast majority of the time they have existed. And they doled it out pretty liberally too

>>212252664
Knew it. Your logic was a contradiction.
Would surprise me a lot if you could actually back it up.

>>212252703
I have. at >>212252166. "both are actions" is your inane strawman.

>>212252675
Until the bad guys won ww2 then yes it was standard procedure in most of the white world to deal with criminals in a way that protects society.

>>212252744
>"both are actions" is your inane strawman.
So...what does the following really mean?

>evil doesn't exist. there are not mustache twirlers. the people who perform reprehensible acts get the same joy out of them as mother teresa got for comforting the dying.
Can you put that in simpler terms or paraphrase it for me? Why are you comparing an act of hurting someone with an act of saving someone, and focusing on the fact that both can bring joy? How does that prove that evil doesn’t exist?

>>212252775
>The bad guys won ww2
If Hitler had won he probably would have exterminated an entire race of people, and not just any race, but the race that contributed so many good things to humanity and continues to do so to this day. Tired of you faggots shitting up 4chan with your antisemitism do you ever get tired of being a racist fucker?

>>212252875
>something is in the simplest possible terms
>UH CAN YOU SIMPLIFY THIS FOR ME????

mother tersesa got the same dopamine hits from "comforting the dying" as dahmer got from talking the police into giving him back his bedroom lobotomy victim and ted bundy got from defending himself in court.

>>212252909
TKD is rapidly approaching.

>>212252940
>Action A gets joy
>Action B gets joy
So A B are the same, there's no distinction between them
Holy retardness, so you really meant that just now

>>212252166
>evil doesn't exist. there are not mustache twirlers. the people who perform reprehensible acts get the same joy out of them as mother teresa got for comforting the dying.

>>212252344
Executing a murderer is just. You don't have any obligation to personally forgive someone who wrongs you unless they sincerely repent to you. This whole performative forgiveness that you see prots do after a family member is murdered is not what God asks of us. We must repent for Him to forgive us, so why would He expect more from us?

>>212252940
Conceiving of all behavior as a one dimensional sliding scale of "dopamine hits" is a totally inaccurate way to view the structure of the human mind

>>212253155
>>212253113
>>212253074
feel free to offer anything resembling a refutation.

>>212253150
Well because the gospel says not to judge, lest you be judged, and to love your enemies as well as your friends. God presumably can judge because he knows better? I don't know. But I'm quite sure that praying for the souls of executed convicts was a thing.

>>212253180
That's what I was trying to do by saying it's not a 1 dimensional scale. Bundy feels a bunch of awful shit at the same time he feels the pleasure. Mother Theresa doesn't feel all that bad shit and she also probably feels a very different type of pleasure, if pleasure is even the right word for it.

(I don't know anything about mother Theresa so if she's secretly bad or something that isn't the point)

>>212253251
That verse just means don't be a hypocrite. We aren't to judge souls as it isn't our place to say who goes to Hell, but God's. We can certainly make educated guesses though. And yes praying for souls is a thing.

>>212253309
>Bundy feels a bunch of awful shit at the same time he feels the pleasure.
this is just your ideas of what he feels that you chose to instantly believe.

>>212253180
It's fucking crazy that you say:

A person who rapes you,
and someone who saves you from a rape,
are the same (no distinction, aka evil doesn’t exist) because they both feel joy in their actions.

And somehow you don’t see the retardness in this.
Zebra and humans are the same, they both have eyes (one thing in common).
To make things worse, you pick "the joy of the actor/doer" out of all factors, it’s not even the core factor to determine morality...

>>212253460
absolute non-sequitur. eyes aren't joy.

>>212250815
They've been pulling this shit for 2000 years

>>212253386
It's a theory I have built up over a long time by examining how I feel when I do bad things, and observing other people doing bad things.

They are never just simply happy or cheerful

>>212250594 (OP)
>Points gun at John Doe
LET ME SEE DAT MOUFF
SUCK IT

>>212253511
>how I feel
thus proving your weak theory of mind. you are autistic.

>>212253569
>and observing other people doing bad things.
...

>>212253552
previously on Se7en...

>>212253575
which just goes back to >>212253386. you're welcome.

>>212250594 (OP)
the original ending where the nig shoots the rapist himself to save brad pitt from prison is kino shame they cut it

>>212253596
I'm not personally attacking you here bucko. These are just my observations of human psychology. I could be wrong of course but I did not just randomly make it up.

Have you ever met a person who just cheerfully tortures others? Why do you think this is a real type of person?

>>212250594 (OP)
Not killing the guy who murdered your pregnant wife shows a level of self control in the elite range. Almost inhuman levels of emotional discipline.
I hold that attribute in extremely high regard.
A sense of justice is also something that should be respected, and while most people would forgive him for the murder, he's going to lose his job and have to work as a mall cop for the rest of his days, living in regret. That just means the fag serial killer wins again.
What if he was able to control himself, and then a few months later he uses his experience to stop another serial killer before more innocent people die?

>>212253611
0% chance a jury would have convicted him if it went to trial anyway

>>212253662
>Have you ever met a person who just cheerfully tortures others?

yes. they're called paraphiles. research the term.

>>212250594 (OP)
Tell Kevin Spacey his murders will be remembered as random acts of violence and that he will be remembered as a MK-ultra'd tranny and then I kill him.

>>212253877
kevin spacy believes God exists, and his goal is to fuck with said God. whoops.

>>212254170
Then I shoot him in the spine and make him a paraplegic that shits himself for the rest of his life and every so often Morgan Freeman will visit him and tell him Brad Pitt won.

>>212254308
>then i commit wrath
good job

you can't win against someone who believes in the eternal and his explicit goal is to fuck with it.

>>212254397
By not killing him his master plan failed, he didn't even get Silver, he got disqualified.

Surely he wins because the subsequent media circus would make him, his murders and his writings famous nationally and maybe even globally

If he dies he remains the elusive mercurial figure. A modern day prophet or demon, neither of which can be observed to be wrong because he is killed. Some aging psycho in a cell is a lot less impressive

Of course, this all depends entirely on the police giving an accurate relay of all of the information and there’s no reason to think they would. They probably fudged things and said John Doe tried to grab Brad Pitt’s gun and that’s why he killed him. And the details of doe’s murders and beliefs remain unknown to the wider public

>>212254476
>the eternal
vs
>living a few more years

feel free to further confirm your IQ is below 90

>>212254555
shut up zogbot go die for israel and maybe jesus will let you into heaven

>>212254589
i accept your concession.

>>212250594 (OP)
What if I cripple them instead? Quadriplegic, blind and mute they won't hurt anyone ever again.

>>212254731
>>212254555

>>212252447
>>212252537
He asked a clarifying question, it wasn't a strawman. Btw you are largely correct, those types of moral categories don't exist and are nonsensical to think of anyways.

>>212256542
>those types of moral categories don't exist
So, a person who kills you (for his sake) and a person who saves you (for your sake), they are morally the same?
Really?

I hope you encounter only the former. That shouldn’t matter to you, since you believe there's no difference.

John doe was a pastry. Summerset was the real killer

>>212252909
Go back

>>212250594 (OP)
I was gonna watch Ad Astra. It looks like shit, but maybe Pitt isn't a total retard. id care honestly

that trope is actually capitalist media propaganda

the elite doesn't want to inspire revolutionaries who will bring out guillotines

they want you to keep voting. they want you to keep using "proper channels" that they control. they want you to trust a justice system that's already bought and paid for.

so..... what was even in the box?

>>212250815
"revenge is wrong" -jews who are outnumbered 1000:1 and are doing everything they can to destroy you

>>212250866
>Character looks into the camera
>Recites my full name and social security number
It's such a cliche at this point

>>212250594 (OP)
oh yeah... time to see this movie again

>>212250594 (OP)
>Losing your morality means the immoral nihilist wins
No shit retard

>>212252551
You sound like a faggot. The simple fact is most criminals chose their lifestyle. Hence the term "outlaw". They enjoy it. So the only way to stop them is to remove them from the gene pool.

He did the right thing

Why not just repeatedly shoot his arms and legs until he's crippled and in excruciating pain for life?

>>212250594 (OP)
I think its more that he would go to prison for the rest of his life

>>212250594 (OP)
>>212250815
He was a cop executing a prisoner which is illegal, it was a trap by the villain, not the message of the movie

>>212252508
Lmfao

>>212250594 (OP)
He won regardless, he made the detective an avatar of wrath in his psychotic art-piece. Regardless of the detective's fate, spacey immortalised himself among similar schizos, who'd be inspired and try to emulate his work; punishing the "sickness" of society.
Jack the ripper, for example is still inspiring other sick people.

>>212250594 (OP)
the producers wanted to have the dog's head in the box because fincher's version was too disturbing

>>212252508
he wins either way because he's the victim of anger. not all victims died iirc

>>212252166
>the people who perform reprehensible acts get the same joy out of them as mother teresa got for comforting the dying.
So they are truly evil from the bottom of their heart

>>212252508
zesty

>>212252551
>Man raped and killed a child on camera
>Somehow you should pay with your tax for him to live another 30 years instead of just killing him asap

What of any of john does victims werent Christian? Whats the point of his work?

Only people with bloodlust support capital punishment.

he's dead

>>212250594 (OP)
What if he beat him to the point he broke all of his teeth, broke both arms and legs, cut off his tendons from his arms and legs so he can never harm anyone again or never walk again, break his spine to stay paralyzed for the rest of his life, but in the end, he didn't kill him. Who wins then?

>>212250866
The best idea I could come up with was to gaslight John

>Leave head on the ground
>Walk back over with empty box
>'There was nothing in the box.'
>'I guess you're crazier than you think. You must have hallucinated your last murder.'
>Diffuse situation with lie, let John think he's full on schizo after all, tell Brad the truth and retrieve head when guns are put away.
>Even after John finds out later he really did it, his big plan is still ruined and his chance to complete his 'masterpiece' is lost.

>>212250866
>It's a david cage game

>>212261737
Brad would still try to look inside, that's what most people would do if they were told that

>>212262152
The box is empty, if bloody

>>212252508
Read that flawlessly in Margan freemans voice

>>212252166
Great bait

>>212262202
Yeah but the head is still there. What is going to do with it? They're in the middle of nowhere so disposal is essentially off the table. Plus, I'm sure Spacey would say there was a head in there, Brad would see the blood and get immediately suspicious.

>>212262320
The head is lieing on the ground a few hundred metres away, neither of them has any chance of seeing it. And John already fucked his fingers hard earlier sometime that day, so not hard to explain the blood.

>>212261875
fuckin kek thought exactly of that

>>212262373
It's not about seeing it, Brad would have most likely seen Morgan take something out and lay it on the ground. The finger thing might be a plausible cover up but it's all dependent on Spacey staying silent or buying into Freeman's gaslighting. He was able to trick them this far into the investigation, it's fair to say that he'd be motivated enough to goad Brad into finding the head. At that point, Morgan would have to try to stop him from advancing, which would only heighten suspicion that's he is not telling the truth. It ends the same way regardless imo.

>>212252909
Hitler was a fucking HERO that was sadly ahead of his time

The woman who killed herself rather than call an ambulance seemed like a stretch

You'd think most self-absorbed women would be naturally selfish enough to still prefer being alive to dead. At the very least it could have gone either way.

I wonder how he would have taken one subject not doing what he expected. Would he consider his whole project ruined or tried to do that sin again?

>>212250594 (OP)
>Shoot out both his kneecaps out behind
>Take a knife and blind him, cut out his tongue and cauterize the wound before he bleeds out.
>"He tried to run so we shot at his legs. He must have pickpocketed my knife because he blinded himself and cut out his tongue when we weren't watching. Luckily we managed to stop the sick fuck from killing himself, he doesn't get off that easy."
>Why would he do that to himself?
>"Beause he's fucking insane."
>No one questions the story because he's a psycho, goes to jail for the rest of his life.
>Crippled, blind, unable to speak. Trapped in a cell knowing his final work was never completed, and he'll never be free to try again.

Violence against your enemies isn't the problem, it's letting them escape the punishment they deserve.

>>212252166
People who are ignorant get taught lessons. Some get a slap or a force wall from outside their time continuum. And they have contested there unbeknownst to me.

>>212250594 (OP)
Psy-op.

>>212250594 (OP)
I mean, in that one, very specific instance, the dude was trying to suicide by cop specifically to destroy that one cop's life and to prove his point. So, kind of?

>>212253507
>>212258864
>>212250815
Spoiler for picrel
Holy shit I’m so happy to see you guys say this. It’s not too big of a spoiler as the movie is pretty straightforward but he kills anybody and everybody and jumps through every hoop and upends his life to get to the main bad guy and then THREATENS him. Had an incredibly weak excuse not to kill him. Truly mind blowing shit. And of course with anything that is so counterintuitive and unnatural I immediately realized that some subversion was taking place.
Pretty decent journey with the movie though. I don’t think you listen to music while you snipe.

>>212263925
No, I agree with this that if it’s the killers fucking plan to die then you don’t let him get his way. Otherwise by all means kill your enemy.
As for the movie the killer succeeding was obviously the way to go. Holy shit I just realized. It’s Fincher again. Like this
>>212264325
What does it mean?

>>212252166
evil does exist

>>212252909
The world will cheer your extermination

>>212250594 (OP)
Well he certainly didn't win anything.

>>212260104
trvke

Why did the internet turn people into psychopaths?

>>212264749
The Internet didn’t change anything, it just made more people visible.

>>212252166
retard. people get off on drinking piss and huffing farts, and you think nobody gets off on being intentionally evil?

>>212253611
>wife and unborn child are dead
>partner facing legal consequences for executing a prisoner
Mills would've been either dead from drinking or a bullet, or put away in a mental asylum within a week after that encounter.

>>212267084
nah, he quoted Ernest Hemmingway at the end.
someone with that kind of role model is definitely going to stay emotionally centered.

>>212250594 (OP)
that's why i only rape my enemies. they're left alive, but with psychological scars that will last a lifetime. they usually end up killing themselves shortly after the rape(s). does that mean i didn't lose? because technically I'M not the one who killed them

>>212266198
that isn't a refutation, but further confirmation that pleasure is pleasure.

>>212260643
The us will also be minority white by 2035.

>>212252166
>mother teresa
She literally was evil.

>>212267195
Do you then believe there is no right and wrong?

>>212252240
a 4 year old really doesnt understand the corrupting influence of power.
>if i lie about this wealthy single woman i can say shes a witch, kill her and take her property.
its the ones that can believe their own lies that are the true evil, and their existance still baffles humanity on how to spot them and what to do about them.

>>212268482
irrelevant, the point is no one thinks of themselves as evil. everyone rationalizes their behavior.

>>212268564
But that is not what you said you said there is no evil, now if there is no sense that you are inherently evil in the individual, but their acts can still be deemed wrong what was the point of your argument?

>>212250594 (OP)
>if you kill the Sons of God, you lose
That's right.

>>212250594 (OP)
I don't get why he HAD to kill him instead of shooting both his legs and breaking his jaw or something. Permanently fucking the guy up and still getting him life in prison would have been better revenge.

>>212268716
To get you to admit to moral relativism without realizing it.

>>212268786
I’m too much of a midwit to know what you just claimed that I have admitted to. But in my midwit mind if one person says there is no good or evil but says that there is right and wrong I can’t help but wonder why they were on about.
>Dharmer isn’t evil but his actions were wrong and you are a retard for thinking he is evil.

>>212250594 (OP)
In this one case, yeah. Just send Doe to prison so he can seethe for the rest of his life about how his magnum opus came so close to being complete. Then it fell apart at the last minute.

>>212268896
when you said acts can be deemed wrong, you're functionally admitting that morality is relative.

>>212260104
sir this is a zoomer board, go make reasonable posts elsewhere

>>212269076
Cool, you have a good one. Or I guess according to you a one.

>>212264325
my take on this film was that the cost of being in control by being a paranoid overthinker is that there is never satisfaction and comfort even when it all seems safe. you either live carefree and be unwittingly vulnerable or you cover your own ass better than most and suffer the awareness of how every moment could be a mistake.

as for the music. my guess is that he particularly chose a band that he either had no personal connection to or found unremarkable just as something to keep him distracted from other stimuli and therefore keep him more focused with the job.

all that being said, i didnt really care for this movie. i was hoping i'd like it more than i did seeing it had fast bender

>>212250951
he should have put his head in a box honestly. eye for an eye i say

>>212269370
unironically should've put his dick in a box and sent him to prison dickless