Thread 212267570

Why did nobody like this? This is easily the best Batman movie since the Burton ones and gives Nolan slop a run for its money.

Pattinson was pretty good, and it looked great. That's about it when it comes to the positives. I'm an asshole for even bumping a bait post but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

>>212267570 (OP)
Woke garbage, the only good Batman movie is Mask of the Phantasm

>>212267631
Hey James

honestly think its kind of boring

People liked it. It's one of the few mainstream movies that specifically criticizes people from this website so it has a bad rap on here

>>212267570 (OP)
Too many batman reboots and this one was copying Nolan's trilogy. What's the point

>>212267570 (OP)
I just didn't care, tried and found it boring.

The shills marketed it as the joker(2019) version of batman
instead it ended up being another capeshit movie

>>212267659
I was kinda intimidated by the 3 hour length, but was surprised how quickly it went by. Especially the first hour.

>>212267570 (OP)
Capeslop exhaustion
Even if it was "good", came too late

I think it was closer to the animated series in tone and in terms of what Batman is doing. In the Nolan films he seemed more like some kind of Ironman and Gotham never seemed dreary.

>>212267570 (OP)
Too long, boring as fuck, doesn't bring anything new to the table, Batman is replaced by RoboCop.

It's just an awful movie from start to finish.

>>212267570 (OP)
>how bout dem ebil whit pepul?
It was shit, created in a time where megacorps thought that hating whitey was the ticket to the future. Instead it just feels retarded and dated.

>>212267570 (OP)
>BLEACHED CATWOMAN
I liked it

Batman is good because of the villians. This movie gave almost zero screen time to the villians. It was almost 90% Batman/Bruce.

>>212267659
>>212267750
Batman's a boring character. Burton was right to change him into a weird, borderline psychotic recluse. The character in the comics and almost every other adaptation is a childish fantasy.

>>212268432
Burton was boring. Nolan, the animated version and even Snyder version was better.

>>212267570 (OP)
it's funny you say that since this movie is completely in the same "gritty and realistic" vein of nolan's movies except not as good. the best batman adaptation is STILL the 90s animated series.

>>212268432
>Burton was right to change him into a weird, borderline psychotic recluse
he didn't do that at all, though, and he should have, because that's more accurate to the comics.

the problem with doing a "realistic" batman is that it makes the fact that there's a man walking around in a bat costume even more ridiculous. he is a "dark" character but you have to lean into the comic book camp a little or it ironically becomes MORE cheesy.

I thought it was great with the exception of catwoman's whole falcone arc (couldve just cut it out, the movie was already long enough) and the third act was weak

>>212268373
that's just kinda saying you need an antagonist which it barely had tbf but it tried to do detective emo batman it went nowhere with either as well, he detects nothing and by the end he is yasss queening the retarded nigger.

Also all the action is terrible and batman gets shot like a million times.

>>212268821
*first catwoman's breasts shown in history*

If it was so obviously good you wouldn’t have to cope like this

>>212267659
The 3rd act everyone hated picked up the speed

No one liked it because it was pure shit and cringe. Riddler is unwatchable in this movie. At least Nolan had better villains.

I liked that Batman is finally shown doing detective work, something that had been seriously lacking in the films.

>>212269578
But he fails at it and is a retard.

>>212269858
Isn't that the point though? Its like his first few years of doing this like his Year: One.

>>212269889
Batman isn't a retard in Year One, though. What's the point of a detective story where the main character sucks at being a detective and can't detect anything? The story also sucks as a suspenseful thriller or cop type story. It's shit all around. Basically a bad copy of Se7en without any cool twists.

>>212267570 (OP)
i liked it when Pattinson was on screen and didn't really care for a lesbian catwoman
that's about it

>>212268432
Batman is a great character, Pattinson is a terrible batman

>>212268980
Wait really?

>>212267570 (OP)
It was long and boring. They should have cut out everything with the gangsters, the penguin and catwoman.

>>212270377
She had see through pokies scene, very see thru but you can't forget raimi done it 20 years ago. I guess I was lying but you see her tits enough

>>212267570 (OP)
I liked The Batman, but it took some getting used to that Bruce looked like swole Jackie Chan.

>>212267570 (OP)
but everyone liked this, was one of the few movies I saw in a packed theater since covid
only faggots who have waifus don't like it because riddler cut too close to home, simple as

>also batman very likely killed innocent people by choosing to chase the Penguin

>>212267570 (OP)
lots of people liked it, it's only people on /tv/ that have a problem with it, and for very petty reasons imo.

>>212270449
My wife knows I like capeslop. She said "ooh what do you want, a sexy supergirl outfit, batgirl? Do you want to to dress up as batman"
No I don't want to dress up, I don't want to cosplay as batman, I don't even need her to pretend to be the character.
My answer was picrel

Reminder that WB marketers and shills never say "I like this film" or "I thought this film was fine", it is always "We loved this film" or "Everyone liked this film". They are always appealing to the majority to try and gaslight you into agreeing with them or to try and force you to go watch a certain shitty movie from their studio.

>>212269477
Paul? Or was it Eli?

>>212267570 (OP)
because it's a "realistic" take on batman but breaks immersion with shenanigans like batman surviving that building jump or a thug firing an entire machinegun clip point blank, or the stupid edgy villains, or batman being an annoying whiny bitch instead of an alpha that he's always been. nolan fucks up with bad dialogue and clumsy action but at least he mostly captures the right tone and feel for the characters (except that idiotic joker, fuck that)

>>212267570 (OP)
It just sucked balls
I did enjoy The Penguin show though, Farrell is based

No, it was like The CW reskinned Se7en as a Cure song.

>>212267570 (OP)
It was absolute shit. If you liked it you're bad and you should feel bad.

Only thing interesting in it was the Zodiac/Riddler concept.

>>212267593
*Battinson

>>212267570 (OP)
>easily the best Batman movie since the Burton ones
(1989-1992)
>and gives Nolan slop
(2005-2012)
>a run for its money
esl or retarded?

>>212267570 (OP)
>Far too long
>To many characters and subplots
>Riddler started good but later develop into a cheap parody of what the maistream think a incel mass shooter would be. Needed a more menacing co-villain to team up with

Aesthetics and Batkinson were good tho

WB needs to reboot this hard and fast.

>>212267570 (OP)
Script was crap, everything else about was good, but the script was crap.

>>212267570 (OP)
> Detective Batman
> Does look under the carpet
kek

>>212267570 (OP)
>nobody
stop listening to jeets on this board. most people liked it

>>212267721
Dark Knight Rises was over a decade before The Batman.

>>212274813
normies hated how long it was, felt like a 3.5 hour slog only for it to be revealed that Batman is didn't figure out the real plan and had to scramble to save Kamala, I mean Real.
>>212274816
Capeslop fatigue affects old characters. Last two solo batflicks made a billie and this only got 750 mil despite the fact that the lockdowns were over and there were no movies in theatres. By the time the sequel comes out it will have been five years and normies won't care

It was alright, nothing special or memorable, but it was ruined by that nigger catwoman. There I said it, I don't give a fuck if you call me a racist or something.

>>212275044
and nigger gordon and by extension nigger barbara.

>>212267570 (OP)
Visually good but that's it. Slow, boring, and too long.

>>212267570 (OP)
I liked it a lot. The first 10 minutes are peak batkino. 3rd act drags on and isn't quite good though

>>212267570 (OP)
it was boring and completely forgettable

>>212275074
Oh yeah, forgot about that worthless nigger too lol, he was so irrelevant and forgettable I forgot he even existed.

>>212275130
I find if funny how all the detective circle jerk did absolute nothing cause it end with a big spectacle fight with masked goons for batman to beat up

>>212267570 (OP)
Patterson's Batman is too emo, not masculine enough and the movie itself is quite boring and forgettable. I've watched it twice and I don't really remember anything about the story.
A Batman movie shouldn't leave the viewer bored.

>>212273601
>esl or retarded?
what's the difference?

>>212267570 (OP)
It's too stupid.

>>212268432
>Batman's a boring character. Frank Miller was right to change him into a weird, borderline psychotic recluse.
Fix'd

>>212267570 (OP)
Batman movies need a long break from "Upset man in coat plants bombs in city to inflict Social Justice".

>>212267570 (OP)
Zoe Kravitz can't act and the third act was a disaster, but other than that it's kino.

>>212275259
i watched it to understand this meme and just left disappointed

>>212267570 (OP)
It felt like a really good fan film. It didn’t feel like the vision of an artist, or an artists take on an iconic character. It felt like it was just checking boxes for things fans liked and responded well too which made it feel safe. It looks great, much better than the Nolan films and with arguably better detective and action elements, and I liked Pattinson as a younger Batman/Bruce and Farrell as Penguin was also just fantastic. But there doesn’t feel like there’s any artistic integrity or creative vision. I wasn’t surprised by anything that was happening, or intrigued by any of the choices made, or anything like that which just made it feel like a nice veneer over a hollow vessel. Synder’s Batman was shockingly brutal to the point that it was at least interesting if not entirely in character. Burton’s Batman added German expressionist elements to the design and look of Gotham and lots of colorful theatricality which made it exciting and fulfilling. Nolan, if nothing else, made at least one engaging plot where the ending wasn’t visible from a mile away (The Dark Knight) and they’re just generally pulse pumping and engaging especially in the theater.

>>212267570 (OP)
>Why did nobody like this?
>something that didn't happen
>300 posts ommitted
every fucking time

>>212276199
>It felt like it was just checking boxes for things fans liked and responded well too which made it feel safe.
not sure what you mean, all the dark elements aren't really "safe" for Batman as a brand. it's pretty uncharted territory for Batman as far as on screen appearances go, until now he's just been an action hero in a cape, they've never really meaningfully explored the noir elements of the character or the darker underbelly of Gotham's criminal underworld.

>>212267570 (OP)
It's pretty good, but some really stupid decisions, like the end. Wasting a a chance at a good sequel.

>>212267570 (OP)
It was completely forgettable and boring, I don't even remember what happens through most of it.

>>212267659
1st hour was good, they could've wrapped it in 2 hours 30 imo

>>212267570 (OP)
Batman has always been one of those characters that you kinda need to lean on to one side, and sadly that undermines the other, for Batman is the Detective v. the Action Packed Hero with his secret identity. This movie attempts the first, and does quite well actually, I don't mind Batman making mistakes, it seems fitting for the story to make up more the myth of Batman than to make a perfect Batman, and the ending gives you that.
That being said the movie is too long, and with no replayable value. Once you know the gist, going back makes it more tedious.

I do have some hopes for this universe, but I don't like that the sequel is gonna touch on Clayface. This universe would have been perfect for a better Scarecrow, Dr. Pyg, Zsasz Hush, Hugo or even the Court of Owls, since I feel adapting those to a more superhero action movie, is really difficult.

>>212276270
Ah bloo bloo

Mainstream critics loved it.
Most normal people either liked it or thought it was okay.
/tv/ nitpicks like crazy and has lazy critiques, but that's to be expected.
I liked it as much as I like the Burton films.
They're the only Batman shit worth watching.

Pros
>overall mood
>cinematography
>Pattinson, the suit, the car
>Gotham in general
>the intro
>Penguin
>Selina
>the police/detective/mob theme

Cons
>Riddler is silly as fuck, his plans make no sense, he is against the rich, but then floods the city
>the car scene is wonderful, but the motivation makes no sense, they were trying to make him squeak for some clue, not stop a war
>dumb Batman, dumb Gordon, how could they read "El Rata Alada" and not think of a bat? or notice the U R L thing?
>he planned to get caught trope
>an hour too long and it feels like there are 10 different endings and climaxes, the last part started out of nowhere
>Alfred and all of that Alfred melodrama was really uncalled for, I was bored (I only liked the bomb-already-exploded twist)
>the Joker talk in the asylum was too silly, the Joker they showed in the extras is horrible, makes me sad and I hope they retcon it

>>212277781
What do you think the answer to El Rata Alada was?

>nolan slop

get a load of this bait.

>>212267570 (OP)
The Nolan films were better albeit

>>212277781
Alfred in general was underutilised

>>212267570 (OP)
Nah

it was awful and too long
felt miserable even being in the theater until the end
retarded autist main villain
retarded "riddles"
crybaby billionaire protag

capeshitters will eat any slop if they love this

>>212267570 (OP)
It was awful.
>Batman is a shitty detective. Needs Penguin to teach him Spanish and Alfred to solve riddles for him.
>Batman is a shitty fighter that gets his ass kicked.
>The Riddler is cringe incarnate. Especially his singing
>black woke Catwoman is cringe.
>White gang forces black kid to play knock-out game on an Asian
>Majority of the movie is whispering.
>The music sucks.
>Batman is so incompetent that fails to stop Riddler from flooding the city
>the cringe black Kamala Mayor
>Batman survives and explosion to the face and slamming his head against a wall at fifty miles per hour
>No one thinks to check where Riddler is taking the pictures
>Riddler recruits 4chan as his army

Worst Batman movie ever made.

My only issue with it is the made up drug 'Drops'. Why not just use coke or meth or some special cut shit or something if you're going for realism

>>212278522
your penis and/or brain definitely does not work the black Catwoman was ridiculously attractive and worked

>>212278522
You do realize Alfred doesn't solve a single riddle?
Nor does Batman hit his head on that bridge?
Not to mention, how would Gordon and Batman be able to continually be able to search buildings across from the iceberg lounge? Especially considering the photos could have been taken from a rooftop?
The rest is subjective, but those are just incorrect.

>>212269578
not knowing basic spanish and not getting the rat with wings was so stupid i wished he didn't do detective work
and i say this as a pretty big fan of the movie

>>212279233
But he did know Spanish. He translates the phrase before Alfred does. Alfred even tells him the grammar is poor.
The twist is that he's focused on the meaning and not the misspelling.
Less to do with stupidity and more to do with misdirection.
Which is what a good puzzle does.

Too long, action underwhelming, dreadful ending sequence. Even simple things like the nightclub was cool, but you can only use a set piece like that once or else it loses relevance and you dilute it, they went back what 3/4 times and it got more boring each one.

>>212274935
>Normies hated it
lol

>>212267570 (OP)
It was 3dgy

>>212267659
This. Also I feel like we've had enough of "realistic" Batman for a number of years. For all the problems with Snyders Batman at least it was something different from Nolan and Burton

>>212271301
Woefully apt description

probably because watching the cape man stop the evil cape man (but hecking mature this time!) for the 15th trillionth time is kinda boring

I would absolutely drain my bank account and my balls for this version of Catwoman

>>212277781
Good breakdown and agreed. I saw it at the cinema when it first released and felt the ending was very dragged out with multiple points you felt like it was about to end. Strange pacing. Overall just a good not great film

>>212267570 (OP)
Go get those privileged White males Batman

>>212267570 (OP)
>People liked the movie, are excited for the script of Batman 2 being finished
>Already got a mini series set in the movies universe that was well liked
>Hurr why no one like

Stop posting here and get back to eating crayons, anon.

Can't lie The Batman is one of the greatest trailers for a comic book film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOp_6uPccQ&ab_channel=WarnerBros.

>>212267570 (OP)
It's utterly lame. Nolan Batman, while satanic NWO propaganda, is elevated by the material: a billionare becoming a one-man private army and intelligence agency by sheer force of will is at the very least innately interesting... The Batman is just about a rich kid playing at being an incompetent PI and trying to take down Tony Soprano and a retarded incel serial killer. Boring, worse than Joker parts 1&2, The Irishman, and probably even Many Saints of Newark.

>>212281722
>are you just hideously scarred?

>>212267570 (OP)
I literally fell asleep in the theater to this movie, and I am a youngish, fit male. I don't pass out like a boomer on a couch, I won't make noises getting up, I don't tire easily. I am high energy most of the time and eat well. I have only fallen asleep to this movie in my entire life and I've seen well over a thousand.

>>212276275
>all the dark elements aren't really "safe" for Batman as a brand. it's pretty uncharted territory for Batman as far as on screen appearances go
What fucking dark elements? The fake drug called Drop? Batman beating the Riddler's goon and there being no gore or even blood despite the movie treating that as a shocking moment? KEK.

>>212278714
>Not to mention, how would Gordon and Batman be able to continually be able to search buildings across from the iceberg lounge? Especially considering the photos could have been taken from a rooftop?
Batman had magic eye tech in this movie, fyi

If this movie had been Se7en Batman and Jim Gordon would have surprised the Riddler in his apartment, foiling most of his plans, and Riddler would then use that momentary mishap to fuck with them in some other way.

Matt Reeves even said that you can see the Riddler throughout the movie looking out from his window.

>>212281875
It gets mogged by the Joker trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t433PEQGErc
Even the costume test teaser is pure kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMjZh3_XHos

I unironically think the trailer is better than the movie in some ways. The Kojima effect...

>>212282727
They literally just had to look up.

>>212282792
Literally. Just look up.

I bet Reeves felt so proud about this "Easter Egg".

>>212267570 (OP)
I liked it. I've been saying for years that I wanted a grounded batman movie where he wasn't going against supervillains, but just fighting the corruption of gotham. And thats what it was.
It was longer than it needed to be, and you could probably trim out 45 minutes without hurting anything.
I like pattinson and the tacticool batman that didn't just feel like nolan's batman again. The wing suit looked fucking dumb.

>>212282663
Okay? They recorded what he saw. They didn't do anything else.
That's almost as nonsensical as the
>they should have looked up
bullshit.

>>212283017
Just look up, nigga. He's right there by the window. Using a mask and everything.

>>212267570 (OP)
A crime drama can only get so gritty before it becomes jarring and silly to see that the detective is wearing an animal costume. Capeslop needs to stop pretending to be a serious artform and just go back to being about action comedy for children.

This is a movie where after you watch it you become Batman while your walking back to car or bus stop, sidewalk, etc. Once your brain kicks you realize it was pure slop and you start questioning your own logic.

>>212267570 (OP)
Because it was boring, pointless, and unnecessary

heard they made catwoman black, so it was a hard pass for me.

>>212275044
u rayciss

>>212283460
good move, it has plenty of that kind of tropes throughout, just small irritating nuggets of woke shit here and there

>>212283460
zoomer?

>>212284145
No, because I love Batman returns and BTAS

>>212267570 (OP)
I thought it was quite good, but batman and cape movie fatigue had set in. It's just bad timing,

>>212268330
Zoe Kravitz is an ugly androgynous piece of shit with no sex appeal you homo she's Ezra Miller's beard

>>212267570 (OP)
>why does (polarised opinion baiting both hard agreement and hard disagreement)
Yawn...

>>212286108
Pattinson's version is so boring and gay that people would applaud him being murdered by The Penguin of all villains

>>212267570 (OP)
Because I think it's fucking gay when Batman is referred to as "The Batman", simple as

>>212278675
>>212281414
>t. nigger lover

>>212278675
>I don't like this
>"Yeah because you're penis doesn't work!"

>>212267570 (OP)
There's nothing this movie did that the Gotham TV series or Batman Begins didnt already do.

>>212267570 (OP)
Batman is an emo brainlet and the movie is generally retarded.

>>212267570 (OP)
I loved the story. Pushed off seeing it for like two years because nobody told me it was an adaptation of The Long Halloween. If I knew that I would have seen it in the theater.
The problems were all in the presentation. The designs of the costumes, sets, props, everything were just abysmal and dull. On top of that the performances just weren't very colorful, excluding maybe Penguin during the chase. Speaking of color, the entire visual aesthetic was incredibly drab. If it came out 30 years earlier it would have been novel, but given how so many comic book movies look now it was just unappealing.
Basically the script gave us a great framework for a Batman movie but they executed it as poorly as possible. It's a wonder the script was good enough that I still enjoyed it, because whenever I see a still image or scene posted out of context I feel such a visceral negative reaction towards it.

>>212286823
It had a cool chase scene

>>212267936
What do you mean by this?

>>212267570 (OP)
It runs way too long with way too little plot. Feels just a touch pretentious. I got bored super early on.

I liked it. But it had pretty big weaknesses IMO

>tried to have like five plots running at once, leaving them all feeling undercooked
>film is way too long as a result, and feels weird narratively because it feels like it has multiple endings but keeps going
>batman loses against the riddler in any meaningful way. Feels bizarre to have a superhero movie where the hero straight up loses

I've never seen a critique of this film I couldn't mentally debunk in ten seconds flat with minimal basic reasoning.

>>212267570 (OP)
>This is easily the best Batman movie since the Burton ones and gives Nolan slop a run for its money
"giving something a run for its money" means that that something is still superior my retardo friend

>>212288732
Kek

>>212267570 (OP)
Looked good and I like Pattinson, but the plot was weak. Felt like a long episode of TAS.

I really liked the part where Penguin and Batman caused a huge pile up of cars and Gordon just let Penguin go afterwards.

>>212288686
The only thing that you've ever debunked is your own bed after your fat ass broke it
Lose weight, ya fat fuck

There was a lot of buildup that ultimately led to a weak payoff. The third act was illogical and underwhelming. If they stuck the landing then this movie would have probably had a cult following despite its flaws. At least they tried with this movie I guess, but it was still a failure

>>212289203
>The third act was illogical and underwhelming.
It really was.
The entire hotel thing baffled me.
Why would the Riddler, such a "smart" guy, leave behind notes, clues, detailed plans, and so on in his hiding place where anyone could walk in and find all that shit after turning himself in?
There was even a map of the city with lighting bulbs pointing out all the places his followers were going to bomb. Why leave that behind?

Of course, the answer is so the third act could happen and we could see Batman attempting to stop it, but why? It was so convenient and stupid.

>>212267570 (OP)
Rewrites when COVID halted production really make the film bloated unless it was even more bloated and the rewrites pared it down

>>212286823
Holy shit, this was a kino Penguin tv show too
I still wish Gotham was an HBO show tho

>>212289423
>Why would the Riddler, such a "smart" guy, leave behind notes, clues, detailed plans, and so on
Nigga thats what the fucking riddler does.
And he expected batman to figure out what he was going to do and join him.
It also cements him as a villain, and not the hero that gotham needed who revealed the root of the systemic corruption that had been plaguing the city for decades who killed a mob boss.
The end of the movie, when he's rescuing everyone from the water, he realizes batman can't just be a boogeyman to the scum of the city, but a symbol of hope to the normal citizens.
It also makes him realize he was just an angsty bitch with a death wish trying to punch out crime and complaining that he isn't making a difference. Then he gets slapped in the face with the fact that his family fortune has been working against him all along.

>>212289662
>And he expected batman to figure out what he was going to do and join him.
That was also fucking stupid, because Batman just a another retard in this movie that according to the movie itself lashed out beating up drug addicts while being completely oblivious to anything else and thus was ineffectual in combating crime.
The Batman never showed any desire for a higher purpose or anything, and actively worked against the Riddler.

But i guess they were two toxic white guys, so that means they were meant to link up, right? That's what the movie is going for, after all.

>>212289739
>The Batman never showed any desire for a higher purpose or anything
That is the point of the movie, that he finds that higher purpose at the end. That he can't solve crime by busting muggers and drug dealers exclusively, he also has to try to help people.
He blows off alfred bothering him about how the family fortune and the company is in bad shape, which was the renewal fund, and the lady running for mayor who tells him that he should be doing more for the city. And by the end of the movie he realizes alfred is important to him, that he needs to pay attention to things in the city, and not just let himself be lost to vengeance and angst.
Its a year two story because really don't need to rehash a batman origin story because like spiderman and superman, everyone already knows and wants you to get on with it.
He's already Batman, but he hasn't figured out the job completely.

>>212267570 (OP)
I rewatch the final fight with him against all the Riddler goons fairly often. My favorite bit is when it cuts to Gordon's pov as he decides to get up there and help the Batman. Loved it. Then there's the rest of the movie.

>>212290209
So what you basically told me is that Batman in this movie is purposely retarded so they could make a point about socioeconomics.

>>212290258
Not even a little bit.
You're so brainrotten by SJW politics that capeshit goes over your head, you should probably see a doctor.

The car chase bothers me. It's flashy and cool, but Bats gets like a hundred commuters killed. It's very un batman like, and it winds up being completely irrelevant to the plot.

It has the hottest catwoman by far

>>212288488
The movie is too long, too boring and brooding, it doesn't give us a new take on Batman, and instead, Batman is now more like RoboCop. His walking makes the same weird clomping sound, and he can take bullets head on too.

>>212267570 (OP)
lol, you are totally clueless, its lower budget Nolan and Revees clearly looked at Nolan first before taking inspiration from the comics
Burton Batman is fantastical while Revees Batman bans fantasy and sci fi elements, even more so than Nolan to the point that Batman wears an intentionally ugly suit over a stylistic one and it becomes a boring mess
No Fun Allowed - The Movie

>>212291098
It was there just because the producers felt that every Batman movie needs a high speed chase sequence and they had to do it as well, as well as having something for the trailers.
Basically they added to the movie because they felt they had to, but were unable to work on why it was there.

>>212267593
The suit is fucking horrible
The inviroments looked more real life use what you have than the Nolan films
He wanted to out-Nolan Nolan in realism and "tacticool" and made the film become boring stripped off any stylism or fantastical elements in the process
He made Nolan look comicbooky while the realism in Nolan was bad enough

i liked it but batman and alfred surviving explosions is genuinely dumb

>>212267570 (OP)
It was good, I liked it. I hope they keep up.

>>212289075
Okay, so I've debunked that AND the critiques of this film.
But I'm telling you: The car chase, the explosion, the armor, the Riddler, the spanish, etc.
There isn't one criticism that doesn't come from either a misunderstanding of the characters or a basic disregard of the film's contents.

>>212291771
>Look mom I'm DEBOOONKING!!!
You're just cringe. This movie is embarrassingly bad.

>>212291899
Checked and promptly ignored.

>FINALLY A BATMAN THATS LIKE THE COMICS!
>No sci fi or fantasy elements
>The least stylistic suit yet

>>212291930
>Promptly ignored

>>212292044
Checked and punctually ignored.

>>212291771
All right I'll bite. I'm always up for a good debonking. What am I failing to understand about Batman getting a hundred people killed in a pointless freeway chase that is disconnected from the plot, and no one notices?

>>212267570 (OP)
It’s almost all but confirm The Batman or at least a similar history is canon in the DCU.

>>212288686
>I've never seen a critique of this film I couldn't mentally debunk in ten seconds flat with minimal basic reasoning.

>>212292409
'Nope, The Batman takes place in a realistic setting without fantasy or sci fi elemts, such as an alien with superpowers

>>212292392
Cool. I'm happy to discuss.
I'd say that first, Batman didn't kill anyone. Penguin did. You could argue Batman killed indirectly through pursuit, but the decision to pursue was based on distraction. Penguin was about to shoot Catwoman, Batman needed to cause a diversion.
Should Batman have waited? Probably not. Penguin would go into hiding.
Second, who would notice? It's Gotham. No one notices most of the crime that goes on anyway.
Third, I don't see how it's disconnected from the plot. Batman was following a lead in the riddle. His eventual solving of which directly leads into the next scene.
I think the highway chase is a nitpick. Batman didn't kill anyone. The most common response I get is:
>But police don't engage in chases!
And that's true.
But Batman isn't police.
If someone he's chasing decides to commit a crime, that's the criminal's choice. Not Batman's fault.

>>212292630
That's a really weak defense for a sequence that is just there because the executives felt the movie needed a high speed chase sequence because every Batman thus far had it before and couldn't think of a better way to implement it.

>>212267570 (OP)
This movie sucked and was dumb.

>>212292933
What about the batmobile reveal

>>212292630
>>But police don't engage in chases!
>And that's true.
>But Batman isn't police.
I mean. It's a level of disregard for bystander's safety that the Punisher wouldn't engage in. And all it's for is a junior high level Spanish translation, that's so contrived that the writer's had to lampshade it, And then they don't even take Oz in for the crime Bats was chasing him for. The only saving grace of that whole fiasco was Colin Farrell's performance.

>>212291098
You already know this but that's the end of the film, how reckless he was

>>212292907
I respect your opinion.
I see plenty of reason for it to be included.
Batman thinks Penguin is the rat, follows Penguin in The Batmobile once he's outside the club, it turns out to be a drug exchange, Catwoman shows up, Penguin almost kills Catwoman, Batman distracts Penguin with the Batmobile, Penguin flees, and the chase ensues.
Seems logical to me.

>>212292948
>What about the batmobile reveal
I love muscle cars and the engine rumbling with a good base setup is some of the best sound design I've ever heard.

>>212292971
The Punisher gets into car chases in the comics and in the Netflix show.
The twist is the grammar, not the translation. A clue Alfred had already highlighted, but Bruce overlooked.
Why would they take Oz into the station when Falcone runs it? Falcone would have Oz released.
This is what I mean.
I just don't think people are thinking about the film in any kind of deeper way.
You can say it doesn't deserve it, but if so, at least remember the details.

>>212293082
Forgot my image, lol.

>>212293082
>Why would they take Oz into the station when Falcone runs it? Falcone would have Oz released.
What about the dead or hurt people?

>>212293372
What about them?
You don't take the injured to the police station.
What power do the dead and injured have over a man who has sway over every institution in the city?
Including the higher ups in the police department?

>>212278522
>>the cringe black Kamala Mayor
Retard. She's an AOC allegory

Gotham > Burtonman kinos > Joker scenes in Nolanslop > Joaquiner kinos > The Penguin > Racist Black&White WWII Boomerman > The Batman > Adam Westman slop > Schumacherman slop > Non-Joker scenes in Nolanslop

>>212291407
>even more so than Nolan to the point that Batman wears an intentionally ugly suit over a stylistic one and it becomes a boring mess
>No Fun Allowed - The Movie
Shit taste, TDK's suit looks like shit (and Bale's gay lookint Donald Trump lips makes Twilight Fag look heterosexual by comparison

>>212271301
Lmao

>>212293874
Gotham sucked poopie dicks though

>>212267570 (OP)
Honestly, I don't understand what's so good about it. I've seen it a couple of times, and it pales in comparison to the previous installments. It's just not good.

>>212294082
Gotham is literally the pinnacle of what makes a Batman good so anyone who doesn't like it just doesn't like the Batman franchise on a conceptual level and should disengage from it.

>>212267570 (OP)
It was a worse version of Nolanverse.

TDK is peak and is hard to beat, whatever midwit Brian or something? Directed this shouldn't have come for the crown and actually done a real batman comic movie. Or you know a more talented director.

Batman animated adventure that came on after sherlock holmes in the 22nd century was better.

I liked the episode where he lost his memory and acted like a coward and this threw the snooping cop offhis trail. Kino

>>212277781
The ending seemed like executives or test audiences wanted more shit happening
>ahh no, the riddler is too boring, TEASE the Joker!
>We need an EPIC SHOWDOWN where batman battles 10 riddlers at once
>We need BIGGER STAKES, the entire city needs to be at risk like in the Nolan films
>We need all kinds of silly monologues at the end
The entire second half seems half-cooked. The solution to the WHO IS THE RAT mystery just appears out of nowhere when Catwoman captures the cop with the phone with the ENTIRE ENCRIMINATING AUDIO on it. I think (or hope) there was initially a second half where Batman, Gordon and Catwoman work hard to solve the case, Falcone is arrested and the Riddler shoots him or gets away or gets arrested and it ends with the scene in Arkham.

>>212292560
> 'Nope, The Batman takes place in a realistic setting without fantasy or sci fi elemts
>Contacts that can record 24 hours worth of footage
DC fans are retarded

>>212294254
But all of that was set up from the beginning.
Including the phone.

>>212267570 (OP)
the movie is literally the dictionary definition of mid

nothing offensively bad its just meh

>"Those white privileged assholes!"
>Written and directed by Matt Reeves
Check out. God this film and its wannabe Nolan director are cringe.

>>212294556
I hate that line because she’s half white herself

>>212267570 (OP)
I laughed when Riddler says to Batman that they should team up because he's not physically gifted like Batman, so they would compliment each other.

The first scene of the movie has riddler somehow rappel across a major urban highway hundreds of feet in the air, then silently break into a penthouse apartment from the outside, then sneak up behind an able bodied adult man and kill him with a small blunt tool.

>>212294592
Matt Reeves is the prototypical effeminate self-hating white man. Listen to him speak in any interview, he's such a nasally fag.

>>212294703
>Wmaf
why aren't I surprised lmao its the surest sign of a loser

>>212294660
We don't really know if he rappelled.
But he did climb down through an open window and hit a man with a blunt object.
I think many people could achieve that.
But fight goons and arrest Falcone?
Survive gunfights and car chases?
Probably not that.

>>212294660
Yeah, what's up with?
I get that they wanted to go with the idea that the Riddler could the brains and Batman the brawls, but pretty much everyone that the Riddler killed he did by himself and personally, by overpowering his victims. He didn't Batman at all as a muscle.

>>212267709
>we're right about everything
>people criticize us
I don't get it

>>212294726
He's a total loser nobody who thinks he's the next Nolan. He has no vision of his own except trying to outdo Nolan in "realism" and adding some woke anti-white agenda to his film. He really thought he made a better film than The Dark Knight, and he failed.

>>212294703
He really does have a gay voice, kek
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7LhLCXY2pdo

>>212267570 (OP)
it's shit, it's cringe, muh realistic batman in 2020s, and Gordon/Selina will never be black

>>212267570 (OP)
>Why did nobody like this?
I liked it.

>>212267570 (OP)
I hated Dano, he ruined TWBB and Batman that I unfortunately watched one after the other.

SOMETHING IN MY ASSSS

hhMmmWwwUuuUuuhhh

There is no emotional connection to the character. They made this thinking "everyone know who batman is, so let's just get right into it" but that's wrong. It ended up working against it.

>>212267570 (OP)
everyone loved it man

I would've voted for the sexy Nigerian mayor.

>>212297084
you are not everyone

>>212267570 (OP)
aaavvvveeeee maaaaarrrrriiiiaaaaaa......

>>212267570 (OP)
>The Batman that sparkles
this is the gayest Choice ever for Batman I thought Ben Affleck was a stupid decision then they cast this fagot.

>>212267570 (OP)
I don't remember any Riddles, Batman seemed like a wuss, the movie seemed to showcase that he's just a clumsy dude with gadgets, Catwoman couldn't act. Distracting race swaps. It was boring. The colors were muted. It didn't really remind me of the fictional character or world I grew up on, it's only been about forty years of establishing an opinion to base that around so probably not worth looking into.

What Burton did better: Personality characters had emotions they weren't just endlessly brooding in grim dark aura. Costume design...all around..Riddler was a joke and looks nothing like his character. I don't need some new fresh artistic take on it.... it's based off something popular not something people think is a joke so figure it out.

What Nolan did better: Showcasing Batman being just a man, but keeping his intimidation factor. I'm sorry but he just looked like a boy to me, he'd of been fine as Nightwing but Twilight to Batman didn't pan out of me, especially with his baggy costume.

that movie was made by writers who hate everything that Batman is Entire movie Batman is there, making amends for some imaginary sins of his
They hate that his family is rich
They hate that he's a vigilante
They hate that he avoids spotlight and does everything by himself.
They love Catwoman character though, so when she has to leave we have that long bike scene because we're supposed to hate that she's gone to and now we're stuck with Batman.

>>212287773
>nobody told me it was an adaptation of The Long Halloween
probably because it's not

>>212270598
Well...? Did she wear it?

>>212267570 (OP)
It was until they made twitch incels the final boss. Everything that happens after the riddler gets captured is fucking baffling. Even with the current day race swaps the mystery was good, Pattinson was a lot better than expected, Catwoman was shit but at least she wasn’t some hypercompetent girl boss, it came together really well imo.

The ending was just complete shite, it ruined everything that came before.

the third act was dogshit and they were too scared to make it interesting and avoid a big fight

It's a terribly directed movie, 3 hours long with a director that doesn't know what he's doing.

I thought it was very visually bold. But ultimately the story just wasn’t there and and I think we’re all starting to realize how embarrassing it is to make super heroes movies for anything but kids.
Give my dude a Robin that has a character arch through out the movies, slash the budget and just make a kid friendly urban kung fu broken up by a very basic mystery plot.

>>212291476
>out-Nolan Nolan in realism and "tacticool"
what the fuck are you on about, the action was 300% atrociously moronic with neither any sense of flair nor even a fucking modicum of tacticool or realism. the finale with the guns, as well as every fucking instance of gun use in the movie, was absolutely tragically retarded and hilariously bad.
the idiotic length and the tragic miscast of pattinson aside, the "action" was just as fucking dogshit in this travesty.

>>212299674
they love catwoman only after blackwashing her
same with niggordon

>>212302327
>they love catwoman only after blackwashing her
again, zoomer

>>212302492
Are you traying to say something intelligible, blackwasher?
that she was always black?
that once balckwashed once further balckwashing is legitimate?
are you implying I don't rememebr that shit
are you implying that shit was called Selina Kyle? (she wasn't)
are you just reacting overemotionally?

>>212302597
>they love catwoman ONLY after blackwashing her

>>212302597
>are you just reacting overemotionally?

>>212289203
There are plenty of reasons to nitpick or criticize in the film, but there's no disputing how successful it was.
>cult following
It made 4x its budget and has a 7-8/10 on every ranking website, normalfags and critics obviously liked it on release
>still a failure
Nigger what are you on about?