SPIDER-MAN AND PUNISHER FIGHT THE HULK

The whole marvel universe struggled to beat savage hulk in the comics btw

>there will never be another solo-hulk movie

>Tom Holland can never be allowed to carry his own movie
What a waste

>>212278796 (OP)
It was funny when people convinced themselves that the ending of the last Spider-Man movie meant we'd be getting grounded stories.

>>212278882
World War Hulk? Not exactly the same, Savage could be closer to the Hulk in Avengers and be a pussy because they want their top dogs to be females (Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch).

>>212278897
Tom Holland will always be a 19 year old kid to me. Fuck no he cant be james bond.

>>212278968
I wish we could have more street level MCU movies.

>>212278796 (OP)
Oh sweet, another Hulk variation!
That worked really well for Captain America. Can we make sure to include even more references to the solo Hulk film from 20 years ago? And obviously, Ruffalo can not be anywhere near this film.

All Tom Holland spiderman movies suck astronomical levels of balls
He has an inability to channel any of the pathos or warranted levity that made the Toby Maguire, and even the Garfield flicks remotely compelling. All of his plots and stakes are buoyed by his tech-daddy Tony acting as an unassailable cosmic mentor. All the issues and circumstances relate hyper-specifically to niche hyper-contemporary phenomena like social media or serve only to push forward the overarching nonsense of the rudderless MCU plot.
And frankly, I don't know anyone in real life who can actually stomach the burger-king-kids-club leftist wet-dream multicultural utopia that comprises his comically diverse school of geniuses beyond those who are so deep in the slop they can no longer distinguish it from the very air they breathe

>>212278968
>oh no, everyone's forgotten who spider-man is!
>he sacrificed his friends and family for the greater good so it's going to be really interesting to see him alone and unknown in the next film, starting from the bottom ag-
>...oh nevermind, he's fighting fucking Hulk and Punisher is there too

I barely know anything about the Hulk. Why did Kevin Feige turn him into a basedboy instead of turning him into the sinister gray Hulk from Immortal Hulk

>>212278796 (OP)
Didn't Tom Holland say he was done with Spiderman and someone else could do it?

>>212279103
>Can we make sure to include even more references to the solo Hulk film from 20 years ago?
Reading 20 years ago and thinking about Lou Ferrino's serie when it was actually Norton's movie. And I'm not even that old (I'm not sure why Ang Lee's movie didn't pop in my head)

>>212279239
Miles Morales incoming

>>212278796 (OP)
So Peter mansplained Jennifer and it pisses Bruce off?

>>212278796 (OP)
Why do they make super heroes only fight each other now?

>>212278796 (OP)
20 years of Spider-Man movies and none of Marvel's sexy heroines and sexy female villains, just men and men and more men in every movie and this emasculated Tom Holland Spider-Man

>>212279239
That's what you say when you want more money or creative control. He learned that from Downey

did they trailer actually get leaked? I missed the post from several sources and im guessing it was real cause it got wiped away real quick

>>212279236
Big angry hulk means a huge animated green beast jumping around doing crazy shit like clambering across skyscrapers and throwing tanks into helicopters
Or in other words, it means a lot of CGI
Cucked Ruffalo Hulk just means Hulk being big and imposing but mostly he's just a enlarged humanoid figure doing ironically civilised things as a subversive joke, something they don't have to expend an awful lot of resources on

>>212279381
You're totally right, they pretty much made Spider-"Man" a girl it's fucking gay

>Alternative Universe non-clone Spider-Man from Earth-279 battles Purple Shulk and Punisher Prime for possession of Thor's cuckstool.

I...don't give a shit?

>>212279319
Have you have read marvel comics? That's mostly what they do.

>>212278796 (OP)
>Yo Spider-man! You're a real one.
*bump fists and turn towards the hulk*
>Let's burn local muthafucka
*lights flame thrower*

>>212279741
>Peter mask you summin... when aunt may's surrounded by goblins how you gonna protect her?

>>212279849
>Peter......why arent you wearing the hat?

>>212279381
and, a lot of testosterone in this movie and a spider that doesn't have a dozen girlfriends but with so much sausage in this movie it would be the perfect time to bring Mary Jane and Gwen, it would be the perfect timing

>>212278796 (OP)
Sounds boring!!!! Now, tell me more about the upcoming Supergirl movie.

>>212278796 (OP)
>That Punisher comic where Frank somehow laced Bruce Banner’s food with C4 so he could literally explode his colon if he ever entered Hulk mode

>>212278796 (OP)
When the fuck is real Spider-Man (Miles) going to show up?

>>212279236
Cause fiege is a man hating effeminate idiot

>>212278968
he contractually can't have his own solo mcu movie. they are legally obligated to include at least 1 big name existing mcu character. no amount of complaining will change that so you're better off just asking for a 4th tobey movie or a 3rd andrew movie

PUT FUCKING DAREDEVIL IN IT TOO AAAAAAAAA STOP BEING FUCKING GAY MARVEL LET ME ENJOY MY CHILDISH SHIT IN PEACE

>>212279973
Sometime after Yahweh decides another blacktor deserves ass cancer

>>212279236
Marvel still doesn’t own Hulk.

>>212279552
they didn't even start filming, it starts filming at the end of this month. any trailer you saw was ai slop or at most was a costume leak

>>212279990
No dude its much more kino to suffer a PG13 Punisher

>>212279973
>going to show up
At the UPN network

>>212279236
>"I barely know anything about the Hulk"
>goes on to discuss Grey Hulk and Immortal Hulk
Why are you /co/fags so duplicitous?

You'll pretend to be clueless just to keep the capeshit conversation going. WE SEE YOU.

>13 year old animation
>mogs entire MCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDEaRBWXWA

>>212280024
false. marvel owns the hulk ip just not the movie distribution rights. which means they can (and have) include hulk in movies without universals oversight, as long as hulk is not in the title of the film or the main character. They really toed the line with that in captain america brave new world.

>>212279930
>tfw ChloMo as Supergirl
I'm in the wrong multiverse :(

>>212279016
>Tom Holland will always be a 19 year old kid to me.
The problem is that Peter is the dream of teenagers in comics books, the nerdy guy who gets the hottest chicks in the future and that never happen in these Sony movies, maybe because it's a woman who produces the movies and she would never understand that

>>212280124
It sets unhealthy expectations for nerdy boys. I’m glad they avoid that in the films.

>>212280104(me)
and also thor ragnorak

>>212278882
TLDR Wtf is savage Hulk? Hulk's already a savage?

>spooderman gets his ass beat to within an inch of his life by Kraven the Hunter
>also he gets with Gwen Stacy but Kraven or his goons kill her, sparking rage and loss
>Spider decides it's time to get serious and gives himself Doc Ock arms (Superior Spider-Man)
>Spider goes donkey kong on NYs villains, starts killing
>villains decide it's time to band together to survive this threat (Sinister Six)
>Kraven, Morbius, Vulture (all established), Shocker, Scorpion and I dunno. Venom died in Hardy's trilogy
>congratulations you have now made $1 billion box office
It's literally that simple. And don't get up my ass about killing, the first Spider-Man in the first Spider-Man films kills the first criminal he meets.

>>212280311
FOND EET.

Holland sucks so bad he needs as many other characters as possible to sell a Spider Man movie

>>212280311
>Spiderman crossed with Charles Bronson
>Becomes a pulp noir with Spiderman killing and heeming every and all villainy

>>212280077
Anon it turns out Immortal Hulk is green, not gray, the gray one is also sinister and speaks tho, again I really dont know much about Hulk.

>>212278796 (OP)
>Hulk
>Punisher
>Spider-man
Finally giving fans what they want. None of this crossover with Captain Marvel or Wankanda

>>212280167
it just means not the smart hulk thats half bruce half hulk. basically how hulk was in first avengers and every appearance up until thanos beat his ass

>>212280311
Venom is the only villain people actually think is cool, retiring Venom is retarded those lame PG13 movies with that gay meme actor have no right to deprive me of an actual Spider-Man Venom dynamic

>>212278796 (OP)

Dat feel when still no BLACK CAT

>>212278796 (OP)
This is probably why they did the red hulk in that captain black movie.

>>212278796 (OP)
They're gonna make a 2 hour movie out of chasing a wrecking ball around? Just use Rhino. Or better yet write a better script.

>>212279941
that sounds utterly dogshit...and i'm totally convinced it exists because comic books are retarded

>>212280610
The approach they took in the Sony movies was all wrong. Even the animated series from the 90s did him better. The movies were too goofy to the point where Hardy acknowledged they could've went a different route.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIg1aEYrXWw

>>212278796 (OP)
Tom Holland had his bussy broken in recently, I bet that will be a huge box office draw.

>>212282258
I'd say some aspects were decent, such as the look of the character, but they got 2 pretty crucial things wrong.
1. Introducing Venom without Peter Parker, which is a major component in why Brock became Venom in the first place.
2. Not conveying Brock's complexity as a character. It's true that he went the anti-hero route at one point, but he was always messed up in the head and his own unique morality system that puts him somewhere between the two extremes of Spider-Man and Carnage, being neither fully evil nor fully good.

>>212279636
>Lemaskyu Summ Fagisher
>punisher prime
you're fired

>>212282258
Eddie Brock in general is much better as a villain. Flash Thompson Venom did the anti-hero thing better.

Is there anyone who burns more local than spider-man?

>>212279381
Ironically Black Cat was set to show up in both Raimi's Spider-Man 4 and The Amazing Spider-Man 3

>>212278796 (OP)
Punisher is literally a non entity in a battle between hulk and spiderman, and even spiderman can only dodge and block the hulk. Spiderman is in the hundreds of tons easily, but hulk is just another world of strength compared

>>212283528
Punisher? Hardly knew her!

>>212280311
sorry you wrote a bad script

they already did Sinister 6 (okay "five") in the other movie, and it WAS all the big ones Doc Oc, Green Goblin, Sandman, Electro, and Lizard (they were going to add a Rhino but it would have been a stretch in an already packed movie)

they already "killed" Gwen Stacy in the other Spider Man movie, AND they semi-redeemed that Spider-Man by having him save new MJ. you can't double-up on a tragedy they already used (kill Gwen again?), it barely worked when they killed Aunt May and gave her the power=responsibility line (that only worked because that line was so epic)

MCU Spider-Man already GOT the "killing is bad" lesson from OG Toby Spider-Man when he saved Goblin. you can't walk that back, that's lame.

I do like the idea of bringing back Vulture, he was a good low-power foil for Spidey. The Kraven movie wasn't terrible, he could be good, too.

Sony "Harry Potter"'d Venom by making him un-usable by the MCU, it's almost spiteful. it would take a miracle of writing to move that version of Venom over and nobody would accept a new version

hope you enjoyed my blog post

>>212278796 (OP)
That's not Spider-Man, it's Iron Boy Jr.

>>212278897
>>Tom Holland can never be allowed to carry his own movie
>What a waste
I still think they should've cast the other guy who was the runner up in the role right next to Holland for it. He looks older and has aged a bit better, actually looks closer to what a Peter Parker type would look like irl, and could play a convincing college/young adult era Peter better because of these reasons. Tom ages horribly and still looks like as much of a baby as he did back in Civil War, which is going to suck for future Spider-Man stories that are supposed to occur when he's already an adult.

>>212279239
He still has a few movies left with his contract.

I think Feige said he wants to replace him with Miles Morales eventually.

>>212284155
I had no idea Charlie Rowe was ever up for it, but I agree. Holland is too cutesy and his solo movies didn't have enough dramatic impact to begin with, save for the last one. The vast majority of the time he was just Iron Boy Jr.

Betting now that Zendayas character will get killed off

>>212284241
But nobody cares about Peter Darker, and he's not financially sustainable enough to carry a franchise.

>>212280535
sadie's fat ass too, this could actually be good

>>212284261
Yeah he was the last contender with Holland for the role back in 2015, and I agree it should've went to Rowe. Disney likely would've dialed back a bit on the Iron Boy Jr. shit if they had cast a more mature looking actor. Which reminds me of who they should've cast as MJ too.

>>212284437
Good. Hope they kill off the fat faggot too.

>>212284155
I think Holland fits the twerp nice dork MCU Spider-Man they're going for who is basically Jimmy Olsen to Iron Man better, though I honestly hate this iteration of the character and would rather they do something else, but I see why they went with Holland.

The Punisher has no superpowers he's only useful against regular human criminals.

>>212284579
Grow up and move on.

>>212279849
lol

>>212284579
It would've been a really good casting imo. Now I'm kinda pissed to know that. But w/e.

>>212284593
>basically Jimmy Olsen to Iron Man better
Which isn't Spider-Man at all and it never should have been taken as such. Don't know why the fuck they ever thought that'd be a good idea when it just leaves with an irritating gen-z brat who just calls himself "Spider-Man."

>>212284660
You're in a capeshit thread. You've no room to talk about growing up.

>>212284699
I agree, but I don't think that's because of Holland it's because of the script. It's possible they tailored it more to that because of Holland I guess but I kind of doubt it. Holland fits their version of Spider-Man better, as much as I loathe their version.

They just didn't know how to introduce him since they got him so late so they thought making him Iron Man's sidekick would work.

>>212278796 (OP)
Could be cool. I could go for street level stories but i was never super invested in that idea, i just want a good movie

>>212284693
Hailee Steinfeld too, but unfortunately they cast her as Token Hawkeye. Anyone would've been better than the mixed monkey from disney channel they got.

>>212284629
There isn't a living thing on this planet that can't be killed by some caliber of gun. In comics, it's not so different, except the guns themselves are retardedly op.

>>212284699
it seems funny to think about it now but they only greenlit Civil War to play chicken with Batman v. Superman, and I think they were kind of afraid and the only character that can match Batman's really is Spider-Man so they just kind of shoved him in there and having him be some twerp Tony recruited was the best they could come up with on short notice and from then on they were just kinda stuck with it

>>212278796 (OP)
So they’re soft-rebooting the Punisher so people who didn’t watch the Netflix show get into him?

>>212284775
steinfeld is also mixed thougheverbeit

>>212284699
I believe Holland is actually a millennial

>>212284807
Yes but she looks the part more than Zendaya who is objectively off-base

>>212284741
yeah like I said it's just shit. Would've preferred an older and experienced Spidey for once, but whatever. Those movies are cringe anyway.

>>212284825
he is by one year though canonically MCU spider-man is a zoomer

>>212284833
We can argue late millenial or early gen z but he gives off childish vibes either way

Does anyone else think the Punisher should bulk up a bit? He’s the skinniest actor to play the character, and it makes him seem made-for-tv somehow, it’s hard to take him as seriously

>>212284825
Looks like a perpetual child either way.
>>212284781
Yeah. They dealt with a stupid decision stupidly.
>>212284807
She both looks the part and is much hotter than Zendayape.

>>212284862
meant for >>212284825

>>212284875
it is kind of even more hilarious that they put their most popular character by far and basically the face of their company as some annoying sidekick.

like if they made Batman the protege of Green Lantern.

>>212279988
> legally obligated to include at least 1 big name existing mcu character
This doesn’t make any sense

>>212278796 (OP)
MASK YOU SOMETHIN PETEY
>sniff
HOW YOU GON KEEP MJ SAFE
HOW YOU GON PROTECT HER
WHEN YOU WON EVEN KEEP YERSELF SAFE
>sniff
TELL YOU WHAT PETEY YOU CANT DO IT

I personally really like what they’ve done with the new spiderman movies, it’s fresh, new and different. They already did more conventional and traditional spiderman stories and the last time (amazing spiderman) it wasn’t successful, so Marvel rightfully tried something different and I think they were right. It’s interesting having other characters involved, it adds more to the plot and makes spiderman a less solitary character. But you have to take in mind that the MCU was a pretty novel and new concept at the time, so they probably particularly thought that including him in a shared universe of characters was the new and exciting thing to do at the time, same with the multiverse which we have seen is a success.

ZENDAYAS GONNA DIE IM CALLING IT NOW

>>212284986
Kek

>>212284729
But you're the one seething over it, which is different.

>>212278796 (OP)
Boring, i want ground level and no zendaya , not cgi hulk shit,

>>212285069
God I hope so then we can get niggaman because they JUST have to include a nigger.

>>212282258
I don't know much about Venom but I like it when it's just Eddie Brock becoming Venom, not a creature with a completely separate personality. I've only seen the first Venom movie and it was the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen

>>212284923
It makes sense, you're just not that smart and a crybaby.

>>212285033
The MCU did some things right, but Spider-Man wasn't really one of them. The good parts of those movies worked in spite of some decisions like the castings, not because of them. No Way Home's appeal for example has very little to do with the MCU Spider-Man, and more to do with the returning characters, the "shit" Garfield Spider-Man included, who himself outshines Holland in acting.

>>212285033
i'm fine with him being solitary but personally I can't say I like the new direction because it feels too easy. he has too many advantages with Stark tech, like at the end of the 2nd movie he gets places on a private jet that Happy has for him. When a major conceit of the character is that he's a struggling kid having to deal with real issues and pay his rent it really clashes. like if they gave Batman superpowers. plus, I think the way they gave Ben's line to Aunt May really didn't work in the context. The entire reason why Ben's death is compelling is because it was Spider-Man's fault he died, he failed to use his power responsibly and it had consequences. Aunt May's death isn't a result of him doing that, given that the movie seems to think him trying to save the villains is the responsible thing. it's just a tragic thing he couldn't have avoided, and there's nothing for him to learn from it so giving her the line makes no sense.

>>212285173
fine with him not being solitary I mean**

>>212285033
>>212285152
>>212285173
>>212285206
Very inorganic posts, go back

>>212284873
>He’s the skinniest actor to play the character, and it makes him seem made-for-tv somehow, it’s hard to take him as seriously
I know we like to meme, but I already find Jon Burnthal more intimidating than Thomas Jane and Brutus, those guys never intimidated me while Jon looks evil

>>212285363
And forgive me for calling him by his kike name instead of Shane

>>212285363
I mean he is a real one, a tough guy

>>212280311
Even the comics aren't this grimdark but somehow you expect sony/disney to do it. This is why no one takes you guys seriously
>>212280610
>Venom is the only villain people actually think is cool
Not really, it goes in waves. There was a good long while there when people thought the symbiotes were the dumbest thing in the Spidey universe and the goblins were popular, and then doc oc, and then someone else, etc. The comics have also changed the symbiotes' origin several times now so nu-Venom has nothing to do with 90s Venom.
>>212285119
90s Venom is a total goofball just like the Hardy movies portray him. The only difference is that they are more in sync instead of the buddy cop thing the movies have going on.

>>212285460
The way David Michelinie and Todd McFarlane intended to depict Venom was as a personal villain and mirror image of Spider-Man, who could do what he can, but better.
The Lethal Protector series was a departure from that, although it still didn't get quite as goofy as the Hardy movies.

>>212285460
The comics have been significantly more grimdark *ahem* Ultimatum *ahem* so it depends a lot on which era you're referring to.
There was a comic where MJ died because of Peter's radioactive semen.

Bros, what if instead of blackwashing Spider-Man they blackwashed Venom and let him be an ornery thug instead of some gay ass loving immigrant family faggot shit?

>>212285173
BUT THEY ALREADY DID ALL OF THIS, AMAZING SPIDERMAN WAS BERY NUANCED AND REAL AND IT DIDNT DO AS WELL

ITS ALREADY BEEN DONE TWICE THATS A LOT FOR MOVIES

*ELEVATES YOUR KINO*

>>212285664
amazing spider-man was not nuanced at all they made peter parker's dad like some secret agent or some shit and the entire plot with electro was retarded. I'm also not saying they had to do Uncle Ben again obviously not I just don't think what they did was very good either.

>>212285679
>pumpkinheaded Stranger Things mutant
>as a superheroes Stacy girlfriend
She's shit

>>212285664
Because Raimi raised the bar. But in all honesty, the TASM movies weren't that bad. Better than the MCU ones as far as I'm concerned.
For example, TASM 2, for as much shit as it gets, did the human aspects right, and it had believable drama, like Gwen dying.
Would you care if that Indian kid playing Flash Thompson died in the movie? It's unlikely, and if you did, someone would yell out "orange slices!" 2 seconds later and the tension would be gone anyway.

>>212285787
>>212285768
You’re all chuds as far as I’m concerned

>>212285768
Peter Parker’s dad was a secret service agent in the comics duh

>>212285564
Spidey's drama with Venom was short-lived and in most stories involving Venom even then portrayed him as goofy. He's always singing show tunes and Eddie Brock is more of a dumb jock with low impulse control and the symbiote is not super bright and just matches his motivations.
>>212285616
You're being facetious when you move that goalpost that far. Obviously we were talking about the more typical 616 stories.

>>212285830
i'm not too chuddy I don't care about the race swaps or anything I just don't like MCU Spider-Man.

>>212285859
it's retarded there too

>>212285787
Raimi already did classic traditional spiderman and his moves are mostly considered untouchable so why would they rehash them

>>212280149
>It sets unhealthy expectations for nerdy boys
Which is why all the nerds who grew up on it started cucking peter when they got the chance to write spiderman themselves.

>>212285904
>doesnt like the movies
>doesnt like the comics that movies are based on


Why are you even here?

>>212278796 (OP)
If they're going to keep Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk what's the point, his version of the character is repulsive compared to the Edward Norton version

>>212285970
i like the Raimi movies and the other superhero movies.
>doesn't like the comics
there's more than one Spider-Man comic you know it's entirely possible to like some runs and plot elements and not others. just because you like Spider-Man comics doesn't mean you have to like Peter getting cucked by some random guy named Paul for example

Personally I’ve had classic spiderman shoved up my ass grew up reading the comics, watching the animated series, and watching the movies which I was really excited about.

That’s why I liked MCU spiderman because it was so fresh, novel and different, it breathed new life into the spiderman mythos

>>212286012
You just liked the gay twink they cast alongside his mutt love interest

>>212286012
>it breathed new life into the spiderman mythos
Nah Nu Spiderman is so shit that people started pretending Andrew Garfield isn't utter trash

>>212285867
Yeah but he was at his most effective and memorable as a villain. They didn't get the anti-hero angle right until fairly recently with the Donny Cates run.

>zoomers didn't grow up with Spider-Man movies where he uses his secret identity to be an asshole
>where he trolls villains to get them to screw up
>no new memes
OG Spider-Man is /ourguy/. Holland is fine but disney changed the character sooooo much

>>212286012
I did too until I read 2099. We need 2099 Raimi kino

>>212286068

>>212278882
the star of a comic will always beat any guest/s they have a fight with unless the plot requires them to lose for a later reversal.
>>212286012
I judge all spider-media by how sexy the suit is, and the Holland films really drop the ball there.

>>212284629
Castle is Batman with guns. He can hold his own against superpowered beings.

>>212285779
Shut the FUCK up you fucking faggot

>>212278796 (OP)
>Savage Hulk vs Spider-Man/Punisher

>>212285779
Id fuck the shit out of her

>>212288141
>>212278882

>>212280167
Hulk has a couple of different forms/personalities that have manifested over the years.
Professor Hulk, Grey Hulk, Savage, immortal, etc etc etc.
Worldbreaker Hulk was one of his most powerful, when the illuminati realized he was too much of a liability they shot him off into deep space where he has the whole planet hulk story line. His ship explodes and kills his wife, he thinks it was the illuminati responsible for it so he comes back to earth to get revenge and he pretty much tears through everyone until plot contrivance happens and he turns back into bruce and realizes what he has done.

>>212288526
He asked for a tldr about savage hulk and you wrote a blog post about WWH.

>>212278796 (OP)
Can someone fill me in as to how this makes sense or will work? I know that all Marvel movies all happen in the same universe, I’m aware of the Avengers so like Spider-Man knows iron man and the hulk etc, I haven’t seen any of these movies but I know they’re over the top onions filled quipfests with low stakes and no actual moments of sincerity.
I have started watching the Punisher though, still on first season, and it seems like the most down to earth relatively grounded marvel story there is. He’s just a dude with no powers, I don’t think they’ve ever mentioned other heroes at all, and all the enemies are people. How can these two characters possibly interact and have it make sense? It’s such a tonal disparity too, punisher kills people brutally, spidey doesn’t… how can punisher even fight the hulk?

>>212278796 (OP)
yet another tom holland humiliation ritual, how tiresome

>>212288601
>It’s such a tonal disparity too, punisher kills people brutally, spidey doesn’t…
That's called compelling storytelling.
> how can punisher even fight the hulk?
>>212288393

>>212286078
I grew up with Spider-Man and his amazing friends. I remember Aunt May being a bit of a bitch to Peter in this version.

>>212288601
They've teamed up plenty of times in the comics, and Punisher really respects spiderman because he knows he's a genuine good guy just trying to keep the streets clean.

>>212288810
>and Punisher really respects spiderman
That's after he tried to kill him for money btw. Punisher is a piece of shit

On some level I appreciate the wacky bullshit Marvel is pulling for actual comic fans. We know this retarded comic shit and love it, in fact all Marvel threads should be purged to /co/ until they reboot the whole thing. But Disney spending hundreds of millions of dollars adapting comics that sold 8 copies is fucking great and fascinating.

>>212280311
>>Kraven, Morbius, Vulture (all established), Shocker, Scorpion and I dunno. Venom died in Hardy's trilogy
>>congratulations you have now made $1 billion box office
Holy shit Amy Pascal give it a fucking rest, your Sinister 6 movie is never happening

>>212279381
>>212279602
Why do people think Tom Holland's Spiderman is effeminate?

>>212288601
>It’s such a tonal disparity too, punisher kills people brutally, spidey doesn’t… how can punisher even fight the hulk?
I think Peter will get the symbiote they teased at the end of the last movie and start giving into his rage and Punisher will try to push him in and convince him to kill. if rumours are true and Daredevil is also in this movie, he will probably be the one trying to pull Peter in the opposite direction.

the fight with the Hulk will most likely be a rehash of BNW where they don't really fight him but just hold him off long enough to talk sense into him. not sure why they're doing another movie with a Hulk as the climatic fight so soon but whatever.

>>212280311
Fucking spoilers god thanks for that

>LEL WHAT IF SPIDERMAN FOUGHT THE HULK
Who writes this shit?

>>212280696
she should have been garfield's mj

>>212278796 (OP)
>>212285679
since sadie is playing the real MJ
no cute zendaya as MA (Morrigan Aensland), no watchy

>>212278897
Tom Holland couldn't carry a fart if he had two ass holes.

>>212278897
marvel should have done this movie instead

This sounds so ass, just give him a solo movie.

>>212278796 (OP)
exclusive leaked image of Savage Hulk

>>212278796 (OP)
>all "solo" movies are avenger-lite teamups
im so BORED

>>212279636
would be kino

People are griping about no Black Cat but let's be honest here - it'll be yet another black actress, because Holland Spidey likes his chocolate, and her character would be a loud annoying zoomer caricature instead of the sultry confident master thief she is in the comics. And even all of this would be bearable if the girl is cute enough to get away with it, but don't hold your breath

Zoe Kravitz was not a good Catwoman in the Batman movie but at least she somewhat matched the tone of the movie. I have zero expectations for Feige and the retarded Sony execs

>>212285137
It doesn’t make sense to me either. I doubt they’re leagally obligated to do it.

>>212278897
>we'll never get an entire MCU arc based around the absolutely kino Planet Hulk/WWHulk storyline because some swarthoid wasted it on a Thor movie for no reason
Hulk's got nothing on the anger I feel on a daily basis.

>>212279143
Thanks for composing this post

>>212284155
I thought Asa Butterfield almost got it before he spoiled it or something

>>212278796 (OP)
>tfw we're never getting Black Cat

>>212278796 (OP)
Who fucking cares? Imagine being the type of NPC goycattle nigger who still gets excited for this crap after over 20 years of nonstop garbage

>>212278796 (OP)

no grogu no buy

>>212291965
>barney forma enfadado

>>212288742
Aunt May was always a cunt.

>>212278796 (OP)
>Punisher fight the Hulk
You mean Punisher becomes ground meat?
What could he possibly do to the Hulk? Even setting aside why.

>>212279143
>niche hyper-contemporary phenomena like social media

It ain't niche anymore grandpa.

>>212278897
>>Tom Holland can never be allowed to carry his own movie
Who was in the second one with Mysterio?

>>212279636
You have no respect for the jewish source media. Frick off.

>>212295530
Nick Fury (Skrull) and Happy I guess. I wonder if the contract between Sony and Disney says that every Spiderman movie has to have an MCU character in an important role.

>>212284923
>>212292717
What doesn't make sense about this? Sony wants to ensure that their movie does well and that it fits the overall MCU plot and getting an already established MCU character does that.
>homecoming: Stark, Happy, Pepper
>far from home: Happy, Fury, Maria Hill, stark (flashback cameo)
>no way home: strange, happy, murdock (cameo), wong (cameo)
>brand new day: punisher, hulk, who knows who else
Do you seriously think sony sat in that negotiation room in 2015 when the MCU was at it's peak and DIDN'T ask for their big characters to be in spidey's movies? That was their biggest priority after the failures of the "amazing" movies. This doesn't mean tom holland isn't the main character and doesn't have his own fight scenes. It just means they want some other big name to slap on the poster and in the trailer to make sure people show up.

>>212295486
i think the why is more interesting than the how

>>212284155
Brenton Thwaites would’ve been a great Spider-Man.

>>212278796 (OP)
>SPIDER-MAN AND PUNISHER FIGHT THE HULK
how can this end in any way except two pulpy puddles where spiderman and punisher used to be? peter doesn't have stark help anymore

All social engineering designed to show the youth of america how guns won't do anything when the chips are down...so hand em in already like a good goy!

>>212296653
>hulk rips off spidey's mask
>sees peter parker's scared face
>hulk remembers that peter is still parker because the spell only worked on bruce
the end

>>212278796 (OP)
CG in that Hulk pic, I guess from Ragnarok, is complete shit. The green giant in the first two Avengers was peak. Disney is fuckin' cheap

>>212296772
>>hulk remembers that peter is still parker because the spell only worked on bruce
surely not. what kind of gobbledygook is this? are you a modern script writer?

>>212296727
Why the fuck is the Hulk trying to cast a spell?

>>212296802
NTA but that's something that happened in the comics. I was wondering why they would feature Hulk in a Spider-Man movie but now it makes sense.

>>212296795
How come he looked different in Ragnarok? I don't mean the CGI quality, that's neither here nor there in modern Hollywood. I mean his face shape is entirely different. The brow is less pronounced, his philtrum looks shorter

>>212296857
he lost a few pounds of fat from the gladiator fights

>>212278796 (OP)
whats punisher gonna do? shotgun his balls?

>>212296831
I suppose that makes sense if he wasn't technically extant at the time of No Way Home. I think the timeline syncs up with how he reverted to his human form from his Professor Hulk form some time after the events of Endgame... around the time Shang-Chi was set? I hate that I remember this shit

>>212296808
sonic palms it was his feature attack besides jumping high

>>212279143
>All Tom Holland spiderman movies suck astronomical levels of balls
The problem is they are hardly 'spider-man' movies but more like Iron Boy Jr movies or something. He's playing second fiddle to other characters in his own movie and he's treated as a little kid. Comic book Spider-Man soloes the entire Avengers except Hulk with zero difficulty.

>>212296872
I don't think losing fat makes you lose an inch or more of your philtrum... but maybe it's the same length. I can't tell

>>212278897
i miss too the social outcast hulk with anger issues and not the avenger joke that simp a redhead roastie and jobs even to captain steroids

>>212279143
>All Tom Holland spiderman movies suck astronomical levels of balls
I like the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man elements of No Way Home. Those being: Doc Ock, Green Goblin, (Sandman I guess), and Tobey Maguire
Homecoming and Far From Home are too bogged down in relationship drama, much more than Raimi's trilogy or even TASM

>>212284437
hopefully in a vat of acid

>>212296993
i prefer like gamora that was deleted of existence with a lame suicidal jump add tom holland repeating the amazing spiderman 2 fail KEK

>>212278796 (OP)
Realistically, what chance does Spidey have in a 1v1 with the Hulk?

>>212297043
>keeps jizzing in his eyes, jumping on his back and punching the back of his head
Spidey wins by chip damage

>>212297043
No chance at all. He could evade his attacks for sure, but he doesn't have enough strength to actually beat him. The only Spider-Man adjacent characters who can hang with the Hulk are the symbiotes, but even they usually get their asses kicked.

>>212297043
some bullshit trickery with webs like the Hoth AT-AT scene and then idk

>>212297043
I mean

>>212297059
the hulk can survive a nuke to his face

>>212297087
yeah so can I, he's not so special

>>212296910
Im not sure what their goal is anymore, but it really seemed like they were building him up to be exactly that. Each movie he was slowly moving up the ranks to be the next Ironman, at least in terms of being the face of the MCU. And with that, I imagine his physical strength, his intellect, his wisdom, and control of his abilities would all peak, and he would be seen as the best of both Tony AND Cap. But now they made him an anonymous background character and hoisted Falcon to the top, so who knows wtf their plan is anymore. I'm gay btw

>>212297086
>Next panel MJ cucks peter again

>>212297059
Like all bullshit comic match-ups it depends on the writer and the story. Spidey could potentially use his speed and webs to subdue the hulk long enough to think of a plan that would incapacitate him or even transform him back to Banner

>>212296802
considering the stroke i had in the last sentence, i guess so. i don't actually think they will do this but it's the first idea that came to mind since as >>212296831 mentioned it happened before
>>212296892
last we saw hulk was in the she-hulk show and he was still in that professor hulk form as he brought his retard son back from sakarr
>>212297059
LOL the hulk only loses because people calm him down or outsmart him. spidey will not hurt him at all

>>212291784
They should have adapted the World War Hulk storyline for an Avengers film and then proceed with the Thanos storyline so that they would put into perspective how significant Thanos beating the Hulk is.

>>212293554
>pushing 30
>still looks like a toddler
yeah nah, they dodged a bullet

>>212294139
for what? to be another zendaya?

>>212297245
At the time I was pissed because I thought Asa would be better but he just would not be able to pull off a convincing adult spidey. Not that tom is great in that aspect either but it's a bit more believable.

>>212278796 (OP)
Normies have Capeshit fatigue

>>212297313
about time

>>212297313
>Normies have shit capeshit movie fatigue
FTFY. They will watch a capekino if it's good or has enough hype. Deadpool and wolverine made $1.3 billion dollars.

>>212296857
they really massacred the big boy. I blame whoever was in charge of the CG model as it still had that Kirbyesque gorilla look in pre-production

https://x.com/MeinerdingArt/status/948967429450776576

>>212278796 (OP)
>"Street-level Spiderman"
>20 characters and they fight the Hulk
Yeah, Sony wants another Endgame

>>212297358
because Deadpool was "funny" and didn't take itself seriously also normans weren't redpilled about Ryan Reynolds back then.

>>212278796 (OP)
Just do good ol' pimp Joe Fixit Hulk against the Kingpin for some NYC business control with Spidey and Bernthal teamining up after some hero vs antihero classic fight

>>212284986
YOU SAYS YOU DA NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN BUT I DON'T KNOW YA
>sniff
YOU AIN'T NO LOCAL SPIDER

>>212297415
if you think mcu viewers care about ryan reynolds personal drama you are mistaken. They can do a whole "deadpool &" trilogy and make a billion every movie. Deadpool & Spider-man boom instant 2 million dollars and it doesn't even need to be tom's peter because deadpool has the tva shit and can just go hangout with andrew's peter

>>212296653
In terms of raw physical strenght, Spider-man is canonically stronger than The Hulk

>>212297887
comic spidey sure, definitely not mcu spidey. What's the strongest thing mcu spidey has done? Picked up the moving car in that civil war clip? Got himself out of the rubble in homecoming? None of that is hulk beating strength.

>>212297887

Somebody get this hothead outta here!

>>212278796 (OP)
I don't really keep up with marvel anymore and never did with the TV shows but Lokis stuck in the cuck chair now right? would have been nice to have him here for a rematch with hulk
although the rematch he really needed was with strange, he obviously never should have won it but I hate how hard he jobbed to Strange

>>212297887
yeah 'cause it's well documented that a spider is stronger than any gamma explosion

>>212278796 (OP)
Honestly what I hate most here is that Punisher is Disneyfied into a PG-13 anti-hero. That is so gay it's insane.
>the comics
Were better when Punisher isn't around anyone with long underwear.

>>212296831
This panel makes no sense. Hulk doesn't forget? Why not? He has the same brain as Banner.

Fucm that, scarpe the mcu entirely and start making Marvel Noir movies with entirely different actors playing the characters instead. They could start with Spierman and go from there.

>>212298435
it's called Dissociative Identity Disorder and it's stronger than any Mephisto bullshit magic

>>212298495
Spiderman with guns would be insanely OP. He'd be like Legolos, except with guns.

>>212298025
Silver Surfer being a cosmic entity, capable of FTL, and yet still on Spiderman's level is insane.

Also, who's that fruitcake in between Hercules and Iron Man?

>>212298695

Wonder Man, long time Avenger currently got blackwashed for an upcoming Disney+ show that will get ignored by the public

>>212298025
old canon
>>212298194
canonically, Spider-man can lift the entire omniverse. His physical strength is "beyond infinite" but he's always holding back

>>212298807
alright but now clean those webs you have between glans and scrotum

>>212297281
rentfree

>>212288742
>>212295340

>>212298807
Canonically you're a dumbass pendant

>>212296808
He's about to thuncerclap him into oblivion

>>212299790
hot

>>212297415
So you're saying he's right. What was your plan here?

>>212296831
>you made everyone forget
>but I don't forget
>I am no one
This is garbage writing

>>212300268
Banner forgot.
Hulk =/= Banner

>>212280535
Yes I too am eager for a punisher story where he obviously won't be killing anyone.

>>212298495
>and start making Marvel Noir
They already greenlit a Spider-Man Noir series

>>212300467
The panel says EVERYONE forgot, not Banner.

>>212300791
As if those comics were made for people into semantics

>>212297043
Zero. The Hulk is retard powerful. I suspect it'll be like the Thunderbolts where you had a bunch of super soldiers fighting a ridiculously overpowered Sentry. You have a bunch of Captain America and Black Widow ripoffs fighting him? Sentry is in the same league as Thor and Hulk, if not higher.

So now you're going to take Spider-Man...MCU Spider-Man, and have him fight one of the top strongest characters not only in the MCU, but in the comics as well? He's a raging flesh-tank of destruction. The only thing Spider-Man will be able to do is avoid the Hulk and try to talk him back into being Nerd Hulk or Bruce Banner again, or get some sort of cure or something. An actual straight up fight is suicide, and you can throw all kinds of heroes into it and it wouldn't make a difference.

>>212300791
bruh

>>212301341
>So now you're going to take Spider-Man...MCU Spider-Man, and have him fight one of the top strongest characters not only in the MCU, but in the comics as well?
One of the most recent movies has Captain America fighting Red Hulk. Not sure when half this thread is acting like Spider-Man fighting Hulk is unprecedented

>>212297062
How does the thunderclap interact with symbiotes?

>>212302974

They don't like loud noises at least back in the 80's and 90's they didn't.

>>212288601
Punisher started out as a Spider-Man villain

>>212302974

>>212302862
>Spider-Man fighting Hulk is unprecedented
Spider-Man fighting the Hulk (and winning) is unprecedented, if you ignore the Captain Universe loophole from the 80's.
And what the fuck is the Punisher going to do?
Scowl at the Hulk until he dies of cringe?

>>212278796 (OP)
there are how many hulks now?

>>212303219
Why are you twisting my words? I clearly referenced a previous movie in the MCU and you're talking about 80s comics.

>>212303219
Adamantium bullet

>>212293554
They should have gone with Logan Lerman.

>>212293472
>>212303248
>nerds keep asking for a Planet Hulk movie
>they're going to get a movie about a planet of hulks

>>212303248

Still remember how funny my pp felt when I first saw this. I was what, eight, nine? Good times. Best spiderman by far, although I'd stopped caring about comic books by the time I was like 12 so it didn't really matter to me what they did with the IP next.

>>212303248
>Hulk
>Skaar (hulk's son, no we don't know the mom yet)
>She-Hulk (Hulk's cousin, bruce's blood drops on her during a car accident because she got distracted when asking banner if steve rodgers was a virgin)
That's it. "Savage" Hulk is just regular hulk because for the past like 5 years he has been "professor" hulk aka hulk's body with banner's mind the shit we saw in end game. "Planet" hulk already happened in thor ragnorak.

>>212296935
No way TASM has way more relationship drama. I use to call it Spider-Man for the Twilight audience when it came out.

>>212278897
>>Tom Holland can never be allowed to carry his own movie

The simple truth is that Spider-man post Raimi didn't work at all. It's like nothing interesting happened to him along all these years, but Tom Holland is already 30. It's over whatever the box office says.
Marvel failed really big even with this character and the only opportunity left is Miles Morales, about which nobody cares anymore.
Enjoy your Spider-movie full of useless B-characters.

>>212278796 (OP)
There are NO classic Spidey v Hulk stories. The fuck are they doing?

>>212279143
>anyone who can actually stomach the burger-king-kids-club leftist wet-dream multicultural utopia that comprises his comically diverse school of geniuses beyond those who are so deep in the slop they can no longer distinguish it from the very air they breathe
rent-free ahh faggot. Tom Holland sucks but at least im not as obsessed as this nerd

>>212304000
>ahh
Kill yourself

>>212304083
how hard can it be to type ass?
These faggots want to be so hip and trendy that they actually seem insufferable.

>>212297043
Hulk gets annoyed at constantly getting his face webbed and just jumps away.

>>212304525
tom's spidey doesn't have natural web fluid, he will run out eventually

>>212297887
You're talking bullshit. Spidey can lift cars, and MAYBE a tank. Hulk throws tanks around for fun.

>>212303708
>That's it.

>>212304567
It's The Hulk. Patience isn't his defining trait

>>212278796 (OP)
Obligatory reminder that capeshit is shit.

>>212304260
I fucking hate how normalised self censorship has become. These motherfuckers are afraid to say the most entry level curse words.

>>212303326
Maybe a Phalanx CIWS round, but nothing he could carry has enough power for an adamantium anything to pierce Hulk's skin.

>>212303250
You brought up the comics in your own post, so don't be upset that people are referencing them.

>>212304630
wow i forgot that movie and i literally paid to see it too. that was a terrible movie

>>212303206
>serious case of the clap

>>212304260
>>212305175
faggot ahh bitch. god forbid a white boy catch a vibe, I speak how i want kill yourself

>>212278796 (OP)
I thought we were getting a wolverine vs hulk movie

>>212306826
It's past your bedtime zoomie

>>212291784
The problem is universal owns the rights to the hulk, so marvel can use him in other things like the avengers, or thor, but they can't make a Hulk movie without paying out the nose.
It is a shame that they did such a half ass planet hulk story as a b plot in thor since its legitimately one of the better marvel books that would adapt itself well, I mean they did an animated movie that worked just fine.
I don't even dislike Ragnarok, but it has a major problem where it kind of wastes two of the better stories from hulk and thor by mashing them together and making it a doofy comedy.

>>212278882
Not really.

>>212278897
Tom Holland is a manlet twink faggot and he's hit the wall on top of it. He's the worst Spider-man ever.

>>212279143
>Tom Holland
Solid guy

>>212305862
>nothing he could carry has enough power for an adamantium anything to pierce Hulk's skin.
what about a frank that shoots franks?

>>212305887
You're dumb. Don't @ me.

>>212305862
>but nothing he could carry has enough power for an adamantium anything to pierce Hulk's skin.
Yeah so movies don't work that way buddy. That whole thing could be explained in a 10 second scene

>>212297043
Hulk is going to have a hard time landing a hit, and spiderman can famously take a beating, and he can out think the hulk to he'd lure him someplace to limit the collateral damage, evade and bother him until he figures out why the hulk's panties are in a bunch, or the everloving blue eyed thing shows up and they have a blast punching the shit out of one of the few people they can really lay into without worrying about turning them into paste.

>>212307935
The MCU has smart Hulk now and MCU Spider-Man is still a dumb teenager who was outsmarted in his last two movies. The only thing he knows how to do is clicking the start putting on the kit Tony Stark left for him.

>>212278796 (OP)
How are people STILL interested in capeshitslop?

>>212308363
start button*

>>212308363
The last movie was him teaming up with two other spidermen who were older and more experienced who gave him some direction, and then the cosmic mindwipe makes him a literal who with no more stark shits.
And honestly I fucking hate teenage spiderman stories. Everyone is obsessed with peter in higschool despite the fact that marvel aged him out of that decades ago because people were tried of it and wanted to see him move on. SO then he went to NYU for a while, and then for a long time he was just a guy with a job and a hit redhead GF who knew his secret identity and had made peace with it for the most part. They finally get married, and then that gets mindwiped from existence to save his elderly aunt from dying of natural causes and marvel has stubbornly refused to let them get back together for real, except in the new ultimate spiderman book which is in another reality where peter gets his powers after he's already married with kids, and its their best selling book in ages.

>>212307681
oh that is so bullshit whoever is responsible for this page sucks ass

>>212308972
I forget his name but the editor in chief who took over at the time always had a hate boner for MJ. Staff and readers from that time all knew before he even got the job officially that when got put in that seat that he was going to remove her. He doesn't like that aspect of Peter's life, the stable relationship stuff.

>>212309564
Stuff like that happens in the comics all the time. It shouldn't but it does