Thread 212279225

>You don't get what you're dealing with. A survivor, the ultimate life form, unclouded by fear or morality
>(Clears throat) Erm actually, the aliens are just big space bees. They live in a hive and have a queen, and they die to conventional gunfire.
>Oh god... that's so fucking gay... *dies*

bishop was super cool

>>212279225 (OP)
Why was THE alien such a fearsome gigachad and literally unkillable, and then in the very next movie there's a billion of them, they're little cowards, and they can be killed by any farmers shotgun. So much for the ultimate living weapon.

>>212279411
The crew of the Nostromo didn’t have guns. The colonial marines did. Obviously a squad of marines are gonna fare better than a bunch of unarmed space truckers. That’s like saying Michael Myers isn’t scary because you could theoretically pit him against a SWAT team where he’d get his ass kicked. Also only pulse rifles work. It’s immune to normal bullets

>>212279225 (OP)
>perfect organism
>is defeated in every film by a bunch of women

>>212279562
And they didn’t even want to shoot it because the blood would burn a hole through their ship

alien
>amazing horror movie, I wanna fuck sigourney weaver
aliens
>amazing action movie, I still wanna fuck sigourney Weaver
the rest of the films and the general idea of alien lore
>completely pointless and I don't care

its this simple lads

>>212279601
>alien = penis head = patriarchy
>siggy = woman savior = feminism
I hate alien now.

>>212279411
Alien should have been an Anthology series with a new Alien each time
>Alien 2, the marines are expecting a Xenomorph
>Instead they get ambushed and killed one-by-one by some brand new alien species
First movie is a penis head monster that reproduces via gay rape?
Cool, now second movie is a female monster that absorbs people. Then have a movie with a monster that eats other monsters. Whatever
The possibilities were endless but instead we're on Alien 7 with "this time there's WHITE colored aliens too!!!!!"
Also each film should have had a new cat chad

>>212279411
It was afraid of fire...

>>212279656
Does Alien blood burn through rock and weaken building foundations?

>>212279225 (OP)

When I was a kid, I took Ash's speech to mean that the alien was literally immortal and unkillable, which does make it sound much scarier. However, especially in light of the competent and perfectly good immediate sequel (to say nothing of all the later installments, which are uniformly trash, starting with the third one), and Ash's stated mission, he's almost, but not totally incapacitated at this point. So he is still trying to carry out his mission to the best of his ability, the only way he can: demoralizing them, giving them the idea that they can't possibly kill it (which they instinctively and correctly reject), beating them down as much as he can in his embarassing state. He very nearly succeeds in preserving the alien's life, at the expense of the rest of the crew. He's just still trying to carry out his directive any way he can, that's all. Fibbing a bit about the unkillable alien.

>>212279411
>>212279562
IRL humans could use drones to bomb them

>>212279742
This but I wanna fuck xenomorphs.

>>212280301
Yes. It's a corrosive acid. Stone isn't immune to acid by virtue of being on the ground.

>>212280301
kek

>>212279411
>>212279562
The crew of the Nostromo DID have guns. They could have easily killed the alien at any point. The only thing that saved it and allowed it to continue terrorizing them was their idea that they would always triumph and didn't want to be on the hook for causing massive, expensive damage to the ship. If they knew they were doomed anyway, they would have started blasting and killed it quick.

>>212279742
AvP1 is also an excellent action movie.

>>212280527
Giger knew what you wanted

>>212279742
About half the audiodramas are good at least

>>212279562
One gets its face blown off with a big standard shotgun.

Alien, Aliens, Alien Isolation. The Perfect Trilogy.

>>212279742
I want to reconfirm this.

Here's your perfect organism, bro.
>AHHH IT'S SO SCARY! IT'S INVINCIBLE BUT CAN BE PENETRATED EASILY BY A WIMPY HARPOON GUN! I'M SHAKING IN MY BOOTS AT THIS UNKILLABLE ELDRICH GODBEING!

>>212282596
>member berries: the game
Gross, no thanks

Why is an android leaking milk all over the place?

>>212283167
you're an idiot that's never even played it kek. just because there's an alien and things look similar doesn't equate to memberberries

>>212281199
Why is John Hurt shying away from the alien when it came out of him? Isn’t that a continuity error?

>>212283167
You must be thinking of the shitty cashgrab DLCs.
The vanilla game is really good, just a bit too long.

>>212283572
It was during one of the crew's other wacky adventures. Also, Lambert was high as fuck

>>212283167
Alien Isolation is amazing, you shut your cunt mouth.

>>212279411
The Alien doesn't do anything special except sneak into the escape pod. The humans are handicapped because they can't shoot it without melting a hole in the hull.
In Aliens the humans are now free to gun the Aliens down, so they take casualties. However, the Aliens actually end up outsmarting and outmaneuvering the humans at almost every turn, wiping out most of them.

>>212281199
this is never mentioned in the movie, promo/production stills don't count as canon because most people won't ever see them

>>212279562
>It's immune to normal bullets.
wat

>>212284734
They are mentioned and they carry them around, dum dum. They do not use them because the acid will damage the ship. But it's there. Literally the thing that defeats them is their own responsibility and fear of financial penalties. If they had just started blasting, the alien wouldn't stand a chance because it was never some immortal, invincible being.

>>212284773
The idea is something like a handgun couldn't penetrate its hide since it's biomechanical. You'd need to shoot it point blank to hurt. The marines had armor piercing explosive tip rounds, so they could shoot from a distance.

>>212282596
>when you poke her butt

>>212284863
It's just so very pokeable. Probably the most tempting xeno trap in the game

>>212282389
I wouldn't necessarily say "excellent", but it's fairly good for what it is. And it's better than anything that followed in Alien/Predator franchises.

>>212284938
what a slut

Alien is an S tier for the first half and A tier for the 2nd
Aliens was consistently great throughout
Alien 3 was flawed but good
Alien Resurrection has absolutely nothing redeeming about it. Just utter trash.
Haven't gotten to the newer movies yet. I'm not bothering with the AvP movies.

>>212284624
Yep, the only direction to go after Alien was to have a bunch of them and if not on a ship then a few needed to die. But they're still very smart and fucking up the humans. About the only thing I didn't like was them going into hibernation when running out of hosts. I think they could have done something better, but then it wouldn't have been as scary of a horror film.

>>212285697
>I didn't like was them going into hibernation when running out of hosts
I'm fine with it as a callback to the ending of Alien. What I had a problem with was how retarded the marines were.
I get that the commander was a useless jackass, but the only the smartgunners were smart enough to ignore his order. Prometheus did the same thing too
>oh we deliberately hired incompetents and rookies for [plot reasons], so it's fine!
but it still felt contrived.

>>212279411
>Why was THE alien such a fearsome gigachad and literally unkillable
Well for one thing no one ever tried to shoot it in the first movie.

>>212286644
Ripley shoots it, and it is easily penetrated.

>>212279872
There is the first Alien "sequel", Alien 2: On Earth where it's a faceburster in a cave and a bowling alley and then a kaiju thing.

https://youtu.be/_pLF1siPVes?si=k_47E1zaNgjwrtmC

>>212279411
Because Cameron is a greedy hack.

>>212279225 (OP)
I think that that's fine because being trapped unarmed on a tiny ship with a hungry leopard, youse are fucked. But in a ground war of machine gunners against a couple of leopards, there's not really a big fear there. Still, Aliens is not canon to the Alien movies because obviously there are not "sexy transexual Arcturians" in the Alien universe. This is some shit from the Avatar continuity

>>212279872
What makes it worse is that the comics and toys have several different types of xenos and they always stuck with the panther alien.

>>212282596
Aliens Dark Descent gets an honorable mention here IMO

>>212289825
What?

Alien is kino because of its lovecraftian themes and fear of the unknown.
Then, in the sequels, where all the mystery is explained away, they are no longer kino.

>>212292359
>lovecraftian themes
It's a tiny bit Lovecraftian
There's no madness or forbidden knowledge

>>212280301
>Alien blood
Alien blood weakens legs

>>212292340
I think that Xenomorphs dying to gunfire doesn't ruin them as a scary creature concept, because being trapped unarmed on a tiny ship with a hungry leopard would be scary even though several people with machine guns could easily kill a lot of leopards.
It's a moot point though, because the movie Aliens is not canon to the Alien series anyway, since obviously there are no such "sexy transexual Arcturians" in the Alien universe, as people talk about in Aliens. James Cameron's was later able to realize his fantasy of "sex between Marines and jungle aliens" in the movie Avatar. Since characters talk about this in Aliens, Aliens is compatible continuity with Avatar (not Alien)

>>212279562
>That’s like saying Michael Myers isn’t scary because you could theoretically pit him against a SWAT team where he’d get his ass kicked.
Well, two things can be true at a time. Michael Myers or Jigsaw or any scary horror movie can be resolved easily with an army or militia.