Thread 212294008

Why don’t they make event films that truly feel like the event of a lifetime—films that are great and epic? We had The Lord of the Rings—why don’t they make more movies that epic? Is it really that hard? Are there any upcoming movies that might feel like that?

It used to be that when you went to the theater, you’d experience something huge. Even the marketing felt massive. There were tie-ins everywhere—comics, video games, toys, you name it. Everyone was talking about it. The Lord of the Rings had all of that. Why don’t we have another movie or trilogy on that scale, with that kind of public hype and cultural impact?

>>212294008 (OP)
>Are there any upcoming movies that might feel like that?
Yes

>>212294008 (OP)
Loss of monoculture. Any other explanation is reaching. Moving on.

We have a few coming out, give it time, Dune would've been bigger if the films released every Christmas, they should've greenlit all of the Dune trilogy at once and film it all back to back but they were pussies.

>>212294008 (OP)
bc today the artists are not in control (and they rarely were in the past) the producers are, and they are jackasses.

>>212294092
>Loss of monoculture
That's a lie

>>212294103
The producers were in control before too, difference is there were some who would take a risk, like Harvey Weinstein did eith LotR (though he is not responsible for their success, but he did have a role in it).

>>212294095
I'm actually happy as fuck they didn't triple film it. There were rewrites and staff changes behind the scenes from Dune 1 to Dune 2, the whole film was like 80% less "Marvel" and it made an insane difference. If all three films were made in Dune 1's style... that shit would have sucked. Has everyone forgotten the fucking Jason Momoa comic relief character? Instead of shit like that we got kino like the arena scene in Dune 2.

>>212294161
>There were rewrites and staff changes behind the scenes from Dune 1 to Dune 2
That's not true, the writer is the same, so is cinematographer and composer

>>212294008 (OP)
Masters of the Universe

>>212294008 (OP)
>erm why dont they just make a really good movie?
Whoa

>>212294008 (OP)
And movies like Lord of the Rings were the run-of-the-mill movies at the time. Theaters are dying so the movie makers are afraid to do anything new. Also, I couldn't wait to get out of the house and away from my parents, but it seems like Gen X parents are best friends with their kids, so no need to leave the house to get away from them.

>>212294092
I SuperSize with you, but look at zoomers- there is no subculture there, they are all exactly the same. Their generation has a big monoculture.

>>212294347
Owning a house in this economy is unrealistic. I live with my parents and contribute by paying taxes, so eventually I'll inherit their houses (2).

>>212294390
I know, I'm talking about being a teenager and getting out of the house because the parents are so annoying.

The phantom menace was like this when it came out. Star Wars was e v e r y w h e r e

These movies wernt just throwing money at people like the Amazon trash. It was laboured over by dedicated fans, making the armour, writing scrolls in Elvish that no one even saw. They went overboard and its shows.

>>212294008 (OP)
The Message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lifetime Experience

>>212294189
And those are the only three people who matter in a movie with hundreds of people having input? There was one writing credit change (-Eric Roth), many producer changes, WAY different cast... and they took into account critical and fan reception before making the second one. Come on now boy.

>>212294008 (OP)
Yep

>>212294461
It depends on the parents tho, mine are chill

>>212295556
>has no real knowledge about the field
>condescending
adds up
>writers, picrel
"and" means it was first written by Eric, then taken over by Denis, then Jon. "&" would mean they wrote in collaboration. that's why Eric isn't listed on Part 2. he probably wrote the first script they pitched with then took his pay and dipped to become an EP leaving Denis and Jon to rewrite to their hearts' content.
>producers
EPs changing doesn't mean anything. Those people just give the production money so they can have a credit on their name. The key names (actual producers) stay the same and are the only ones with any input.
>cast
it's the same cast except for the new characters. literally no idea what you're talking about.

>>212295968
You are stupid

>>212294008 (OP)
We have dunc 3

>>212294037
>Zendaya
>Tom Holland
Nope, it will suck dick.

>>212294008 (OP)
I blame the new Star Wars trilogy or at least, for me, those were the last films I went to see and felt as a huge event. When TFA came out, going to the theater had exactly the feeling you described. In the end, the film felt pretty meh and disappointing, but there was still a small hope for the next ones. Needless to say, the other two were so shit they killed any remaining hype for the franchise. From that point my expectations for big blockbusters begin to decline and probably died because most of these films are tied to Disney and to the whole capeslop culture which I don't really care about or remakes and rehashes of old stuff, like Jurassic Park. Like someone pointed out, Dune kind of had that feeling. I also went to see Nosferatu in imax, and it had a bit of that vibe too, but nowhere near what big-budget blockbusters used to feel like back in the day.

>>212296120
>2 of the best actors in Hollywood
It will be shit because Nolan is a retarded hack.

Although in saying that Zendaya is probably gonna be too brown for the role they give her, and Holland possibly not brown enough.

>>212295987
thanks for conceding

>>212294008 (OP)
Tolkien is great.
Jackson is not.
deal with it.

>>212294008 (OP)
Dunc 3 will be that, just wait lil bro

>>212296955
That was 20 years ago

>>212297025
Noooo

>>212294008 (OP)
the last great cultural touchstone

>>212297301
Based

>>212296120
kek are they seriously putting black people in the odyssey

>>212297392
where have you been for the last 20 years?

>>212297025
not yet, and what? It was a big deal when it came out

>>212294008 (OP)
you were young when you saw it, that's all. avatar is a huge 'epic' event movie but you recognise it's actually dull as piss because you're older now.

>>212294095
lmao at this image
>>212294008 (OP)
AI unc ————————————
omg where is the merch and the Episode I — Where is the plastic horse and the Expanded Universe?

>>212294008 (OP)
Ya grew up, kid

It's as simple as Rian Johnson ruining Star Wars. In 2015, it was commonplace to expect some cosplay and endearing, cringeworthy fandom. Since Luke tossed the saber over his shoulder, that exact form of distaste was transferred to the audience. A very cynical, ill intention film sucked the wind out of the sails of millennials passing on Star Wars like how we got it from X/boomers. There's really no other IP that could be the harbinger of a return, either. LOTR isn't USA, HP isn't USA, Pokémon, etc. The jews flushed Luke Skywalker because the mythos is counter to Jewish intentions. Need disenfranchised youths, not wide-eyed hopefuls

Trump mindbroke hollywood and the industry has never recovered

>>212296955
>>212297301
Hello sars

>>212297949
when they made dave chappelle the president and the other many many many black presidents on television to prime the pumps for Obama in the W years, they got cocky.
The whole take a male role and give to a female with no rewrites of the obama years was for HRC. Mindbroke them, that mathematically and empirically, the same people that proclaim to be on their side put Trump in (most of trumps first term are 08 obama voters).
Hence the dial to 11 following his election of various archetypes and tropes that allude to the current administration. The reality is the jews now are simply not as talented as the jews from the 80s,90s that successfully changed public opinion on various topics

>>212298053
Lmao

>>212298163
run back the timeline of will and grace and gay marriage, its why they pivoted so hard to inducing political change instead of socio-political. And its why tv/movies are so bad, disney and the old guard are in shadow companies now with "content creators"

>>212298236
Why? So much lore damn frfr

>>212297834
Retarded take. Grow up.

>>212298599
no the only retarded part of the conversation is Hollywood production choices. The better part of the last decade has been nothing but content designed to shape opinion, rather than entertain.

>>212298660
Cope

>>212297638
Noooooooooooooooooo

>>212297496
Sure, but OP said movie that will be this decade

>>212294008 (OP)
I think it was either TDK or Watchmen where I last felt that way watching a movie in theaters.

>>212294037
Based

>>212294390
>two houses
>chooses to live in the same one as his parents

>>212301998
Well, one house is near the city, and the other is in the village. Why should I stay in the village when I can live near the city, where I also work and study at university? I also have a great relationship with my parents.

The answer is without dvd sales tgey cannot pay for msrketing, which is why they reboot movies you akready know what ot will be about

>>212302085
That umbilical cord has got to be pretty leathery now.

>noooo I want once in a life time experiences every day!!! What do you mean they only happen once in a lifetime????

Are you retarded?

>>212296314
>>2 of the best actors in Hollywood

>>212302432
Ok, whatever

>>212303635
Don't worry, mommy kiss it better.

>>212303946
Ok

I thought that LotR was huge pile of shit and I was a Tolkien fan. The movie started with Sauron nuke, utilized the exact same animation for ogre that was done in x number of movies from that era and took the most generic (exact same) Balrog roar to boot.

Any good fantasy movies?

despite it being (imo) a massive disappointment, the hype for this shit was fucking unreal

>>212294008 (OP)
3 words. Bad Millenial writing. It's only going to get worse.

>>212294008 (OP)
It's noticeable, now that you mention it.
In 1980, we had Star Wars, Raiders.
20 years later, we had LOTR, early cape (Spiderman, Xmen).
20 years after that...nothing.

>>212305641
Oh yea, I forgot The Matrix for 2000. >>212304173

>>212294008 (OP)
It's weird because they will say duh money but I thought the jews already controlled the money printer. Nepotism seems most likely. They just don't know how to make good movies anymore, they outsource it.

passion of the christ

>>212305792
Wrong. Too violent for a religious movie.

>>212301998
Let's be fair, it's probably a pretty big house. Poor people don't usually have multiple houses in the first place.

>>212294008 (OP)
>once in a lifetime events
i guarantee you're a zoomer larping as a millennial because the entire point is they didn't feel like once in a lifetime events, great movies were commonplace
no one in 2003 thought return of the king would never be topped because we didn't know culture was going to die within a decade of that movie coming out
zoomers have literally no idea how shit they have it

>>212306010
20 years is a long time. After Star Wars, we had nothing until Fellowship. At that time, SW felt like a once-in-a-lifetime event. The only thing we had to tide us over until then was Robot Jocks, so cut him some slack.

>>212305849
>Too violent
Meanwhile, christians make statues of men literally wearing their own flayed skin as clothing.

>>212294008 (OP)
Zoomers had the Minecraft movie. Chickin Jockey.

>>212305849
Crucifixion is a very violent act.

>>212306078
>After Star Wars, we had nothing until Fellowship.
another larping zoomer
kys

>>212306644
But it's true

>>212306078
Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, Matrix

>>212306203
>ai generated headcanon of things that never happened

>>212294037
This

>>212294008 (OP)
I genuinely hate the LOTR films. I hate the soft focus, the weird mix of Victorian and dark ages garb, the uniformity, the bombastic soundtrack, the inserted girlbosses, McKellan, Serkis, Orlando "wooden elf" Bloom.

These movies suck nuts and they only get worse. The first was decent, the second and third are an absolute drag.

This sort of fantasy film suffers a lot from stiff dialogue and missed opportunities, the only reason they are so vaunted here is that even in a film like Red Dragon, just the most basic Hollywood thriller, they would put details in the background and set up scenes to have a richness and immersion to them. Filmmaking is stark and cheap and minimalist now, ungenerous.

>>212294008 (OP)

But here it goes anyways. Late stage capitalism or rather a culture too heavily dependent on consumerism. There is a constant demand for entertainment, for satisfying immediate pleasure and then moving to the next thing. Companies get far more money over saturating the market than they would releasing a new entry every 40 years.

It´s a tradeoff, things are less special but people are constantly entertained and numbed so they can deal with their own existential dread.

>>212309736
>entertainment is outside of existence and not a part of it

Being a chud sucks fr

>>212294008 (OP)
I remember the hype for the conclusion of the trilogy was very high, and the posters with the fog felt cool seeing them in the cinemas

>>212294008 (OP)
Because films have been corporate-safe, risk-averse, and focus-group tested "content" dumps since the 2010s. We've been in the era of algorithmic factory filmmaking for a while now. Even the few current auteurs make movies for their own audiences' expectations (See: Eggers, Villeneuve, Nolan) and have to remain boxed-in to their own signatures. It's all so fucked up.

>>212294037
Too woke, turns a lot of people off whether you like it or not.

>>212294037
Costumes look like shit. Nolan also does not understand pathos.

>>212294095
Reeve’s Batman was awful though.

Also dunc as a Christmas release would be retarded. The desert contrasts too much with the cold/snow aesthetic of the Christmas season.

>>212309999
Based quadgod

Roberto Carlos didn’t have quads this good.