https://x.com/ChristinaTasty/status/1940535822140559506

is this the only based thing Pascal has ever done?

>>212323984 (OP)
Is this good or bad news? I can't tell.

>>212324074
He probably wanted more trannies

>>212324521
It's like one evil clown killing another evil clown.
Expect more clown shit from the next season.

>>212323984 (OP)
I don't think I've ever hated an actor as much as Pedro Pascal and that's really saying something

>>212324521
Neil came up with the original concept and it's his baby. his ideas

do you think that tv writers will do better?

>>212323984 (OP)
Pascal has never created anything close to art. Popcorn at best. He couldn't even have convincing chemistry with Ethan Hawke in an Almodovar. Probably needed a younger man that's more his speed!

>>212323984 (OP)
Told you season 3 isn't happening

>>212324885
No, he did not, you stupid fucking retard
Do a little research into Naughty Dog before posting you’re faggot ass uninformed opinions

>>212323984 (OP)
You know what? I'll take it.

>>212324945
Game of thrones was art

>>212323984 (OP)
I take back everything bad I ever said about Pedro P.

>>212324885
Nice try Cuckman

>>212323984 (OP)
Pascal is/was already off the project. Why would the showrunner give AF what he has to say?

Druckman was forced out and so was his co-writer.

>>212325211
He's looking out for the Ramsey

>>212325211
Druckmann was co showrunner and had more power than Mazin did. Mazin answered to him and everything he did had to be rubber stamped by Druckmann.
I’m glad Druck is out. Chernobyl was the only project Mazin had full creative control over and it was much better than TLOU. Season 3 could be good now

>>212324945
But it's the reason he wakes up in the morning

>>212323984 (OP)
full quote is even better

just a very professional and diplomatic way of calling him a hack to his face, which is something that /v/ has obviously said for years. pascal saw the 2nd season scripts and direction and sniffed him out too kek

>>212323984 (OP)
Why is Pedro Pascal even involved anymore, isn't his character dead?

>>212325652
this was early in the season's production apparently

>>212323984 (OP)
So is the third game going to be the same as season 3?

Based, fuck this greasy Zionist that pushed out Amy Hennig.

>>212325393
what a pretentious homo

I was gonna end it all but then I remembered I have Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet bombing on release to look forward to
That shit title man, you know it's gonna be joyless paint-by-numbers iconoclast bullshit set in another sci-fi theocracy. Why do writers even bother writing when they have nothing original to share

>>212325858
there won't be a third game. The bald lesbian game naughty dog is making will crash the whole company concord style

>>212324723
>>212324654
>>212324945
>>212326800
you're so insecure lol

I hope season 3 gets cancelled.

>>212323984 (OP)
this guy whole raison d'etre was getting accepted into hollywood and he got kicked out by Pedro Pascal ahahahah
llike imagine being a jew and getting kicked out of hollywood
he was so sure he was in

>>212328366
>jew gets kicked out by a spaniard
I kek

>>212324607
Yeah, it was probably something like "Joel should be gay and we should have flashbacks to him and his husband"

>>212325288
Season 3 has no chance of being good because the damage to the story is already done. Only not killing Joel could salvage this story, and now season 3 you get to spend the whole time with the person who did it. The ending will satisfy no one since she does not die and Ellie gives up on getting revenge.

>>212327944
It's all about vehicles for heckin' valid stories about LGBTs and POCs. That's all gaming is to them these days. Good gameplay and appealing design is an afterthought, probably snuck in by the actual gamers who have to make the code and (actual) art for the slop.

>>212323984 (OP)
It is fun to dunk on Drukmann but the games are better than the show by a significant degree. The lighting, cinematography, and even acting are so much better in the game I'd just recommend watching a lets play instead of the tv show. Last of Us 2's story was awful but I was interested enough to keep going until the end. I have no interest at all in the show anymore. Every change they have made has been for the worse and I'm including the cheap "tearjerker" episode with gay Ron Swanson.

My guess is that Dreckmann wanted to go all -in on the muh cycle of violence surrender to bloodshed theme from the games. Normies seem to like the show for how the characters are more sensitive and likeable than in the games. Of course, the famous Crust Bust was not in the games at all, they just had Bill mention being gay.

>>212323984 (OP)
This show is fucking done. They're currently planning on 2 more season that will take 5 years to release but people were already tuning out in the middle of season 2. Expensive as fuck 6/10 shows that gets half a million viewers don't die with dignity. They get forced to wrap it up with a 6 episode final season that limps to the finish line and fulfills the bare minimum of contractual obligations.

>>212327944
No need to end it. Come warm yourself up by our future's dumpster fire.

Based

>>212323984 (OP)
Druckmann created TLoU, Pascal didn't.

>>212323984 (OP)
I wonder how many of these people actually watch the show or play the games, and how many are grifters.

what a little bitch

>>212331585
Druckmann ruined TLoU

>>212325393
>two slop dispensing mongs arguing about "art"
This is one of those end of civilization things.

>>212323984 (OP)
Pedro Pascal also won't be in the show anymore thanks to Neil Druckmann.

>>212323984 (OP)
No one in history has chosen to willingly go back to video games after hitting it big in film and TV. The pay and prestige differences are incomparable. Druckmann must have been truly insufferable to get offed from his own franchise like this.

>>212327944
we already know it's like an allegory for canaanites but with space bug and space Lalo or something

>>212323984 (OP)
Broken clocks etc etc

Crash Bandicoot is true art

>>212324723
Why chudder mayo? Jealous much?

>>212325072
gonna cry dumb faggot? gonna piss your panties fucking queer faggot? gonna shit yourself?
last of us wouldn't exist without Neil

>>212324074
Druckmann is just THAT shitty that even Pedro can farm a universal win from having the unfortunate experience of interacting with him. Next guy!

>>212328111
This is very ironic, because you had to add "lol" at the end since you were worried other people might perceive your comments as seething rather than your desired presentation of mocking.
That's VERY insecure behavior. Be better.

>>212323984 (OP)
The show is better than the game. Especially the gay homo episode where we all god aids. And that's a good thing.

>>212331585
Druckmann's idea for tlou was tlou2. He was tard wrangled and shut down so hard by the other Naughty Dog writer (not amy) that tlou2 transformed into tlou. It became an all time classic because of those changes but it made Druckmann unbelievably butthurt.

He leveraged the success of tlou to kick out the guy who successfully turned his shit into gold out of seething jealousy. Then he started making tlou2 he always wanted. In his hubris he believed it would eclipse the first. Literally no one but mentally defective idiots liked tlou2.

Of course that was not a sobering weakeup call for the retard narcissist. He already had the /tv/ contract. This was his chance to get his hands on BOTH tlou and tlou2 without the pesky spectre of the man he ousted.

(Quick intermission: this is not speculation. One of the memes about tlou is how many remasters it got. The real reason is that Druckmann used the remaster to remove the OG writer from the credits next to his name.)

Druckmann shrewdly identified that Ellie was the sticking point for why his Abby vs. Ellie story didn't land with the audience. His hands were already tied with his major story beat decisions like Joel saving Ellie and Joel dying. So he decided to tackle the issue from a purely optics angle. He couldn't undo the audience attachment to Ellie wrought by the events of tlou but he could cast the most hideous creature in the world as Ellie and a conventionally attractive girl as Abby. Even more deviously he could cast an Abby with a passing resemblance to Ellie to trick the audience into associating Abby with their subconscious idea of Ellie.

Bravo Druckmann. Oh how cunning and genius! Except now no one gives a shit about your story because there are now zero likable or interesting characters left. Manipulating the optics on your own creation just further highlighted the issue of a lack of engaging material rather than fixing the focus issue.

>>212324074
>>212323984 (OP)
Well I'll be. Well done, Pascal.

>>212323984 (OP)
apologize to Neil RIGHT NOW

>>212332922
you’re upset lol

T minus 3 weeks before they cancel the season entirely.

>>212325175
Not by the time he was on it

>>212334642
season 4 is the best season

>>212323984 (OP)
Liberals continue to eat each other, you love to see it.

cuckmann is an israeli jew and pascal comes from woke socialist family. they dont like zionist jews.

>>212334769
pedro pascal is a crypto jew commie from chile, which is why his commie jew family ran away from the fascists there.

Druckmann really is a dreadful cunt.

>>212324074
no, (((Druckmann))) is just such a fucking shit hack writer even Pedro Pascal gets tired of his fucking bullshit

>>212332844
>>212333126
He is such an insufferable, smug, self-satisfied and self pitying hack to watch, like when he moaned about the 'death threats' and shit he got like a little bitch.

>>212324723
List some legitimate reasons.

>>212335105
I can't find anything about him being a Jew (and not like history has a shortage of goy commie) but he sure is a mutt

>>212324945
>Pascal has never created anything close to art.
Neither has Neil. Interstellar will be his first creation.

>>212324885
It was some lady, someone that did legacy of kain.

>>212324723
Mark Ruffalo?

>>212332083
You are being facetious but it is.

>>212323984 (OP)
Why was Druckman even directing a show? Even the "story" of TLoU is a zombie plot mixed with an escort mission. The characters aren't complicated either.

>>212323984 (OP)
this is great news.

it means we can expect major deviations from the games, i.e. there is a chance the story in the show might actually not suck.

>>212336773
he was never that involved, the improvements in the show are basically all Mazin.

>>212336606
He is terrible at acting. Is he a nepo or something? I just don't understand why he is where he is

>>212323984 (OP)
>"i-it was the highlight of my career to direct a shitty HBO streaming show"
>crawls back to video games to make his shitty bald negress 80s nostalgiabait game because even hollywood realised he was a hack fraud
NEXT
GUY

>>212327944
The title is something that Penny Arcade would make fun of back in 2008, it just brings to mind a generic 7th gen sci-fi military TPS.
Something like Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy or some shit except that game was actually fun

>>212325652
Yes and also they already used the flashback that is supposed to be at the end of the story, so theoretically you could have Pedro not show up at all in S3. Which I thought was an odd choice because that flashback is the only reason the ending of the game lands at all for me. So I don't know what they're planning, are they just going to re-play what they already showed us? Baffling decision

>gets fired from his own show
cuckman strikes again. the man's got a gift for being insufferable.

I hope he dies

>>212325522
>>212325393
actors are not artists, they're the paintbrush

>>212325072
>research
reading made up stories on reddit and twitter is not research

source for that pascal story? Link?

I'm glad she left before the shitshow that became Naughty Dog.

She's probably in her home making cookies right now.

>>212338895
amy henning without naughty dog made Forspoken. That tells you all you need to know

>>212338895
Shes busy writing garbage that nobody cares about

>>212327944
With the man getting booted off the show and him having to go back into vidya full time despite his Hollywood dream, imagine the salt in the writing for that game.

>>212336826
What improvements? Mazin had total control over season 2 and it was awful

>>212338950
that was a team of 4 writers alongside the worst Square Enix studio.

>>212336826
Literally everything in the show is a downgrade from the games

>>212323984 (OP)
What would season 3 even cover? Didn’t they already finish the game lore?

>>212339026
Yeah im sure the woke slop black panther game shes writing will be better

>>212323984 (OP)
Druckmann directed the only good episode of season 2 desu

>>212338992
>despite his Hollywood dream
became a programmer and then spent twenty years making games and that was his master plan to get into hollywood? Joos are playing a long game ngl

What issue does everyone still have with TLOU2's story?

>>212323984 (OP)
Druckster is getting all the heat but Craig Mazin is unironically even worse. Season 3 will be even more unwatchable

>>212339056
the game is split into two parts. 3 days with Ellie and then 3 days with abby and the epilogue after that. S3 will be Abby's 3 days

>>212323984 (OP)
Does that person think Neil left the show over a conversation he shared himself where he purposefully makes himself out to be the one who's wrong?

>>212339011
>>212339039
>pretending to have liked Part 2 now there is something else to get mad about

based. I remember how we were all pissing and shitting ourselves in unity over its flawless quality.

thank god the games had Joel give up his name for no reason and modelled Abbey after Humungous, the story just wouldn't have been as good without those necessary features.

>>212339173
>thank god the games had Joel give up his name for no reason
That was Tommy dickhead.

>>212339173
Meds

>>212339132
hate for tlou2 was almost entirely /pol/ fueled. And i use "/pol/' as metonymy meaning that whole chud ecosystem on youtube, twitter, reddit and 4channel

>>212339192
>>212339194
okay but we're agreed that the way the game had Ellie kill a billion people to learn that revenge is bad was great writing, right? I mean it would be terrible if the show RUINED the story by having Ellie kill significantly fewer people and made that theme actually make sense, wouldn't it?

clearly the sign of an inferior storytelling medium.

>>212339251
>>212339173
you didn't even play the game. You're still repeating stupid taking points from the leaks lmao

>>212339132
I don't mind Joel's death but the plot is too Netflix-y imo.

>>212323984 (OP)
Because of Pedro shit, he knows theres no salvaging this trainwreck without Joel.

>>212323984 (OP)
>Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet

Isnt it funny how some games have flop written all over them before you've even seen one second of gameplay. What a horrendous title.

>>212339232
>>212339132
it's one of the biggest ludonarrative dissonance fiestas ever and filled with basic logic and character motivation holes.

in Ellie's half Mazin mostly fixed the story by changing who goes on the revenge quest and why, and cutting the body count down to the absolute minimum, but he's still going to have his work cut out addressing the Abby/Lev and Abby/Owen/Isaac shifting of alliances. at least he laid the groundwork better than in the game.

>>212339251
>we're agreed that the way the game had Ellie kill a billion people to learn that revenge is bad was great writing, right?
I recently played TLOU2, and I'm still digesting how I feel about the ending. Structurally, thematically, narratively, Abby shouldn't die but I do agree that there's something missing in Ellie's ability to be motivated to make the choice she does to stop. The onus is in the reveal to her final discussion with Joel "I can't forgive you but I'd like to try", but something I can't ascertain was missing I felt.
>I mean it would be terrible if the show RUINED the story by having Ellie kill significantly fewer people and made that theme actually make sense, wouldn't it?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anon but assuming good faith Ellie needs to become a murderhobo in Pt2 and the show removing that genuinely does ruin the story.

>>212325393
Latin guys who are into art, are Really fucking into art. Theyre from the Gabriel Garcia Marquez school of thought, they treat it like sacred tradition.

>>212339305
I have played the games. Ellie killing more people than in the show is not in question, nor is Mazin changing it in question (people literally complained).

>>212339451
i understand consoles are pretty expensive in india relative to average income but you can save

>>212339316
>I don't mind Joel's death but the plot is too Netflix-y imo
I don't see that at all, Ellie spends the entire time miserable and alone aside from brief sections with Dina and Jessie. Meanwhile Tommy is literally miserable, alone and murdering. Abby is acting against her own self preservation as her lingering guilt from the person she became hunting Joel, and what happens/ed after. I genuinely don't see the netflix comparison.

>>212339380
>it's one of the biggest ludonarrative dissonance fiestas ever and filled with basic logic and character motivation holes.
The only basic logic I ever felt was missing playing it was Owen and Mel's death, however the intent of the scene was Owen choosing Abby over Mel one final time. I think the scene was like 75% of the way there but needed to make Ellie cut them off explaining the pregnancy or something.

>>212332777
>>212332844
>>212332922
Holy digits! I've never played these games nor watched the show and I feel like I made an excellent decision.

>>212339403
>The onus is in the reveal to her final discussion with Joel "I can't forgive you but I'd like to try", but something I can't ascertain was missing I felt.
the problem is that for Ellie to "let go of revenge" she has to accept that her actions and how she lives her life in future have nothing to do with Joel.

but Druckman is as much of a Joel-worshipper as most of his detractors, so he ended a game that should have been about moving past Joel with a "remember Joel???!" scene instead. its a straight contradiction.

moving the flashback to much earlier in the story was another win, although Mazin now has to figure out something more on-theme to replace it.

>Getting told off by a guy who is in endless genre crap for being an artless hack
The ghost or Roger Ebert is eating well today

>>212323984 (OP)
Probably the right call with how S2 turned out.

>>212339521
Abby has no reason to go back and save Lev and his sister. then she has no reason to betray the wolves. her whole half of the game is pretty much just stuff happening to string together the sequences Naughty Dog wanted to do.

gamers don't notice shit like that because in a game your motivation is usually just "go through the level because the alternative is doing nothing".

act 3 is Ellie travelling hundreds of miles because Tommy heard something on the radio, and saving Abby from bandits we only just met and don't care about by arriving ten minutes before she and Lev would have died of thirst, only to have a fight scene instead, which ends in anticlimax. it's really fucking dumb and doesn't dramatize anything about revenge in the way Druckman thought it would.

>>212339562
>the problem is that for Ellie to "let go of revenge" she has to accept that her actions and how she lives her life in future have nothing to do with Joel.
yeah, I'm genuinely not seeing the issue here. Ellie made horrible choices motivated by anger and trauma, and Joel's dead, that's the ending. She "could" have stayed with Dina, but she chose not too, but more holistically Ellie could have never been able to make the healthy choice because she and Dina began and relationship on the same day Joel died.

>but Druckman is as much of a Joel-worshipper as most of his detractors, so he ended a game that should have been about moving past Joel with a "remember Joel???!" scene instead. its a straight contradiction.
All the flashbacks in Pt2 are presented as memories the character is remembering in that moment, Ellie had been blocking or unable to remember that discussion until she was about to kill Abby. The break through is explicitly what saves Abby life, Mazin needs to think of a whole new reasoning for why Ellie stops.

>>212339751
>Abby has no reason to go back and save Lev and his sister
yeah, it's not like they saved her life or something

>>212339751
>the way Druckman thought it would.
the way you assumed out of your ass he thought it would

>makes the only decent episode in the cesspool that was season 2
>people act like he was the problem.
TLOU 2 game was amazing too, y'all just hating.

>>212339584
The fact that Pedo Pascal has the nerve to say he lives and breaths art while starring in Marvel movies is insane

>>212339751
>Abby has no reason to go back and save Lev and his sister
yes, as I said she is acting against her own self preservation. She has a dream that night of being in the hospital and seeing them gutted, then after saving them she dreams of seeing her dad. It's almost like she had an arc?
>no reason to betray the wolves
She didn't even betray them until Issac appeared on the island, up until then Abby was just AWOL.

>act 3 is Ellie travelling hundreds of miles because Tommy heard something on the radio
I actually touched on that with the other guy so I'm copy/pasting myself: Ellie "could" have stayed with Dina, but she chose not too, but more holistically Ellie could have never been able to make the healthy choice because she and Dina began and relationship on the same day Joel died. It is a weird choice, and I'm not claiming TLOU2 is perfect, but Ellie chasing down Abby again I could personally understand in the context of the narrative. Ellie's weird reaction after finding Abby was cool, I liked her immdiate reaction to help but being still unable to let go, it's in character. An anticlimax isn't inherently a detraction anon, it was a conscious choice but it is fine to dislike it.

>>212339232
you lost, cybertranny. enjoy being a loser.

>>212339874
it reminded me ot chalamet who said he aspires to greatness. Dude is dating a kardashian lmao

>>212339910
lost how? Part 2 sales went strongly up thanks to season 2 of the show and that gave me a bonus at work

>>212339756
>Ellie had been blocking or unable to remember that discussion until she was about to kill Abby.
yeah there is no reason why this would be the case. it's a dramatic contrivance to make a point that only made sense to Druckman.

forgiving Joel <> sparing Abby. Abby is the one who needed to forgive Joel not Ellie. Ellie needed to get over her feeling that she owed Joel something: its her feeling of indebtedness to Joel that makes her think she has to travel hundreds of miles to kill people.

fortunately Mazin is literally a magna cum laude psychologist so there's a chance he'll be able to come up with something that does what Druckmann *wanted* to do and ignore most of what he did.

>>212339938
that's good because it means they'll keep making the show.

Original RE4 still mogs the shit out of TLoU. Even RE4R mogs it.

>>212340147
TLOU was always dogshit and the retards who bought the sequel deserved everything they got, including this show.

>>212340272
I really don't understand what people saw in the game. It was just more generic zombie slop. I'm convinced there is mass mind control because there are no redeeming qualities of that first game. sony movie-game garbage.

>>212340409
Joel was the soul of the game.

>>212340409
People had Joel as their paternal substitute. Be it for an absent father or just a plain bad dad.

>>212323984 (OP)
The last of us part 2 simply isn’t a good story. It’s an extremely fun game with impeccable level design, but the story is ass.

In the first game a journey to across the US takes an entire game, in part 2, Ellie makes FOUR journeys across the US, with one of them being with a crippled Tommy and a pregnant woman.
The whole things feels stupid with two lesbians taking on dozens of men and super buff female soldiers (this is why last of us part 2 is unfilmable because it’s so fucking dumb to have teenage girls fighting through a war zone.) the first last of us feels somewhat grounded, with an older competent man being the lead, but part 2 feels ridiculous.

There’s also dumb shit, like having an entire day dedicated to getting medical supplies for a girl… and she dies a few hours later anti climatically.

>>212324885
No, he took a successful IP and decided to force in his obsessive narrative about Israel and Palestine like a psycho.

>>212340409
Even in 2013 people were still wowed when a game had average prime time TV tier writing, so it got memed as this transcendental amazing experience even though it's just a basic bitch movie game.