Thread 212328034

What the fuck was his problem?

>>212328034 (OP)
Stupid faggot should've stayed in the sea

>>212328034 (OP)
Ocean niggers

>>212328034 (OP)
I wouldn't have asked him what his problem was. I wouldn't have asked him anything, I would have listened. And that's what nobody did.

>>212328034 (OP)
My ancestor :)

>>212328073
boring

It just did what it was destined to do. Free will doesn't real, all actions are just the result of previous events.

>>212328121
So don't do shit and die regretfully.

His wife said they needed to talk.

>>212328185
kek

>>212328171
It's not your choice anyway. You do what you must. For your own sanity act as if you have free will, but you do not.

>>212328034 (OP)
I think, therefore I am

>>212328034 (OP)

Tried of all the roastie fish in the ocean. He knew there was some tight Asian fish on land. Konnichiwa dude.

>>212328034 (OP)
>Söyience fags actually think we came from a fish
Aliens dropped us off here about 100 years ago. Everything about "history" is all part of the psyop

>>212328209
I've read a lot of human behavioral studies, but to not believe in part of free will is insanity. At some point you'll die, it is destined indeed, but in thise last seconds will you be able to say you lived and not just survived so far?

there was no acid in the sea

>>212328378
Highly recommend the book in that post. There is no evidence for free will and lots of evidence against it.

>>212328372
>Aliens dropped us off here about 100 years ago. Everything about "history" is all part of the psyop

>>212328100
I thought it was a good joke

>>212328438
Tell us one that stayed with you, the most striking one.

>>212328518
Nevermind. Just skimmed a summary. Immediately, I kind of agree with him, but I think you can still toss a few boulders and change the course of a river, if you can catch my drift, it just takes work.

>>212328438
I'll read it in a free time. Thank you for reccomendation.

>>212328518
Brain areas responsible for planning and executing movements are active before "decision making" areas of the brain "decide" to make a movement.
There's really no logical basis for free will. If you accept that every effect has a cause, what in your brain or body is making the decision that is uninfluenced by the rest of the universe? Why would the human brain alone be the one thing that violates physics?

>>212328615
If your local library subscribes to Libby it works well as an audiobook to listen to while you do other things

>>212328438
Meme science books that frame things that way usually have a very dishonest definition of "evidence".

>>212328642
What if quantum effects provide some sort of randomness to our brain processes? Wouldn't that make some wiggle room for "freedom"? I think we have research that points at quantum effects playing a part in brain processes. It's kind of recent stuff, but still.

>>212328642
free will is metaphysical, materialism is false

>>212328768
What mechanism does the brain have of directing the quantum stuff? That's just random, that's even less like free will.

>>212328800
You are right that randomness by itself doesn't equal free will, but my point was more that if quantum effects introduce some kind of indeterminacy into brain processes, then the brain isn't just a classical machine grinding out predetermined outputs. That could mean that our subjective sense of freedom isn't entirely an illusion, it might emerge from a complex, not fully deterministic system. I'm not saying randomness = choice, but maybe freedom doesn’t require strict control over every microscopic cause either. Maybe it just requires that we're not entirely predictable. Does that make any sense?

>>212328515
I liked it

Free will is real btw

For example;

You walk down a road when it divides by three. All three roads are covered in thick mist so you cannot see what is past the mist. Your past might make you choose road one, your subconscious might make you choose road two, and your hope for a better future might lead you down road three. One might say that it was destined before you on what road you take but the fact that you can actually choose is free will. AI is not free will because it was programmed to follow a set of rules ad-infinity. We can always evolve or devolve through time and space.

>>212328209
crazy how you were predetermined to obsess over how everything is predetermined and use it as a catch-all for being a NEET burden

>>212328981
Not being entirely predictable doesn't really matter for free will. Things can be complex and nondeterministic without having a ghost in the machine that is directing things.

>>212329282
It is indeed. I am employed so not NEET but I live with my parents so it's close enough. I don't obsess though, just something I like to spread around-- but there is no me to be spreading things so this was all predetermined anyway.

>>212329188
That’s not free will. Just because you have “choice” doesn’t mean you’re the one making them. Simply put, you don’t have control over where your thoughts come from, and your thoughts are the leading influence into your decisions which can lead to your actions. There’s only the illusion of free will

>>212329386
After all, nothing matters but it's VERY VERY IMPORTANT! that people share your selective nihilism :)

>>212329431
I don't think it's important. Nothing on 4chan is important.

>>212329393
I see where you are coming from. Let's take cars for example. You have your Toyota and Ford's, Mercedes and Lamborghinis. Depending on your income level, you might be boxed out from a higher priced car but the fact that you can still choose what car you drive is a form of free will. The choice is what separates us from the animals outside. You can literally walk out right now and observe nature and notice how things are random in time and space but the fact that you went out means you have free will. If you don't go out then that means you have boxed yourself out because you are against doing what you can do.

>>212329466
Everything in life is important if you have a keen eye for it. The smallest things end up being the most important things

>>212329572
What caused you to go outside?
1. Proximally, action potentials from your brain to you muscles
What caused that action potential?
2. Stimuli in the previous minutes
3. Your hormonal milieu at the time
4. Your upbringing that configured your biology to respond in the above ways
etc.
There's not really room for a decision making apparatus

>>212328981
it's not really free will if it only decides if you take left or right fork in a road but doesn't give you the option of whether or not to take it in the first place.

Free will requires the supernatural (or strange metaphysics) full stop so whether it's random or not doesn't really matter