Why don't movies look like movies anymore?

>>212329766 (OP)
all the old lighting guys died or retired. plus sub 100 iq people don't trust something if it looks "different" so you have to make everything look like a youtube video

>>212329766 (OP)
>>212329818
James Gunn is a comedy director. Comedy is shot with flat lighting and framing.

>>212330240
disingenuous. the picture on the left is also a comedy movie (it's norm macdonald and artie lang) and also nearly all mainstream movies look like that now

>>212329766 (OP)
There's a lot going on but a lot of it stems from a gay obsession with "realism" and diegetic lighting.

Jew scam gone ov4pkwverboard

>>212329766 (OP)
It's film vs. digital. The Brutalist came out and I immediately noticed it LOOKEd LIKE A REAL MOVIE. It wasn't covered in a grey haze, and it had actual shadows and contrast, and it's because it's shot on film.

Digital is a technical improvement, but it captures everything and defaults to a grey haze. you need to tweak it afterwards, and often they seem to leave a lot of the grey haze in, or tint it, rather than trying to capture reality or the older film look.

>>212330329
>There's a lot going on but a lot of it stems from a gay obsession with "realism" and diegetic lighting.

But grey haze over everything doesn't look realistic, and blue/green/pink/yellow tints certainly don't look realistic. Even worse, is they're going back to old films and re-inserting grey haze or tints.

>>212329766 (OP)
Everything has to be blue and white for the fresh new millennium now. We clean now. And NO SMOKING!

example

>>212329766 (OP)
nepo babies took over the industry

>>212329766 (OP)
That's because 95% of everything is a bluescreen or greenscreen.

It's a tragedy

>>212332118
I've read that paragraph like 5 times and still can't make out what it's trying to say.

>>212330240
>Comedy is shot with flat lighting and framing.
Would Mr Beans with darker lighting and more contrast become a horror movie?

>>212329766 (OP)
>>212330240
>>212330324

>>212331803
>single-handedly creates the new generation of female stars with one movie

>>212332771
You think Tarantino and Dan Schneider ever hang out?

Chris Nolan won best picture and director with teal-and-piss color grading TikTok quality editing and can't-hear-shit sound mixing. Nobody in Hollywood gives a fuck about filmmaking anymore they just make movies to whine about politics and get their guy elected president

>>212332667
It's a dic pic

>>212330240
>is a comedy director
>nothing he makes is funny

>>212329766 (OP)
man, the new Superman guy just doesn't look right, lacks the handsomeness

>>212329818
All those old lighting guys were assholes that didn’t pass their knowledge. I hope they enjoy their time in hell.

>>212329818
No, people still know how to light like 90s movies but they instead go for lighting that is more compatible with CGI.

>>212333205
He looks handsome doing media for it now. Another Gunn fumble.

Speaking of old movies I watched Heat finally today and if real cops shoot anything like the ones in this movie they deserve the ACAB shit

>>212330472
>film vs. digital
it is an artistic decision and it looks like shit, Pearl was shoot in digital
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5PW5r3pEOg

>>212329766 (OP)
Hardly any good cinematographers. They used to know how to light scenes and use shadows effectively on set. Now they just apply the flattest lighting and staging possible and assume it'll be fixed in post-production with After-Effects and CGI.

>>212333565
>A24

>>212329818
They didnt retire by choice. Studios cut them from the budget, just like writer rooms. It is a large part of why movies are so dog shit now.

>>212333598
I miss Spacey like you wouldn't believe.

>>212333565
Pearl was shot on digital and doesn’t come close to matching the Technicolor aesthetic. The Love Witch on the other hand looks fantastic, was shot by M. David Mullen who is a walking encyclopedia on the history of cinematography, and comes extremely close to matching the original Technicolor look.

>>212330472
>It's film vs. digital.
why do people repeat this stupid lie?

you have full control over contrast brightness, and lut, so the colors in post, you could fucking make it black and white, or crank up the contrast till its painful to look at
converting log into standard sdr is usually just 1 button press in some software
the truth is flat looks is whats trendy now, and its what everybody go for in post, they desaturate and flatten the footage to make sure nothing is peaking in blacks or highlights
if it was shot on film the same directors and editors would scan and desaturate and remove contrast it in post anyway

in few years the trends will probably change

>>212332755
Very weird movie. Oddly enough it's set in a dirty capitalist future like with adverts everywhere and chinese credits or whatever, reminded me of Blade Runner or Total Recall.

>>212329766 (OP)
cgi isn't to the level of the left yet so they have to bring the entire movies picture quality down to the level of the cgi so it blends together and isn't some jarring difference that sticks out like a baboons ass

>>212329766 (OP)
Unironically why is the new Superman so fucking ugly? Everything is yellow and blue.

>>212329766 (OP)
It's been a thing that cinematography and lighting has been getting worse every decade. Even in the 80's people said it was getting worse.

>>212329818
Dumb fucks think cinématographers are the same as colourists and lighting directors. The latter two professions are talent vacuums in modern Hollywood. This guy is correct. All that braintrust is either dead or retired and doesn't give a fuck about passing on their craft to an ungrateful multi generational cultural void.

>>212336152
The decline started in the 40s.

>>212330472
>It's film vs. digital.
Dumb take. There are digital films that look perfectly fine.

The real reason it directors being scared of commitment. They choose flat lighting so they can change everything in post.

>>212333133
>Chris Nolan won best picture
The Oscars are a circlejerk of the tribe.

>>212332755
i'm s fucking mad. if I have to listen to one more person tell me 'IT'S JUST NOSTALGIA BR. EVERYTHING IS BETTER NOW! *HITS DOOBIE*' I'm gonna start peeling his face off with a bowie knife and make him eat it

>>212336162
>All that braintrust is either dead or retired and doesn't give a fuck about passing on their craft to an ungrateful multi generational cultural void.
You have to take it up the ass to work in hollywood and most people aint gonna do that just to be a lighting guy.

>>212329766 (OP)
Robert Richardson (shot some of Oliver Stone's, Scorseses's and Tarantino's best films and has 3 Oscars, I think) got fired from World War Z because he designed a look for the film. The producers told him it was his job to shoot it as flat as possible and for test audiences to determine in post how it should look. Major motion pictures now operate lile network TV.

>>212335836
Mystery Men is basically a superhero movie satire in a time where superhero/comic movies had all these big sets and background paintings like the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies or even stuff like Dick Tracy and The Mask.
It's sort of the capstone to that era of comic/pulp movies since it came out after Batman and Robin ended that style and Blade/X-men started the 2000's approach to trying to ground it.
There was even a rumor for a while that Tim Burton ghost directed it.

>>212332755
Somebody once told me...

>>212330472
Moron

>>212330472
Not necessarily. The post above yours mentioned the obseasion with "non" lighting at the moment. Same goes for production design. In the 90's everyone wanted everything to jump out at you. It was like crews were making every work they did a showreel with the most spectacular look, so they could audition for the next project. Now there is so much fucking "content" that they just shit out the bare minimum so they can rush to the next job. Love them or hate them, but 90s capeslop like Batman Returns, Dick Tracy or The Crow were all about putting up striking visuals. Now in the post Marvel era, all that matters is that reddit actor number #39392 is in focus to deliver his quips.

>>212333571
Saw this discussed on one of those Hollywood roundtables. When DPs shot on film, they had to have a very high level of technical knowledge and carefully think about their desired outcome and manage each step of the process. When it went to full digital they could just check the monitor and hedge their bets by shooting it dull knowing they could tweak it in post.

>>212336152
Which is weird because it really peaked in the 90s (even though the bleach bypass shit really got old after a while)

>>212329766 (OP)
Because you cherrypicked a scene where Superman is being a wojak.

>>212329766 (OP)
Dirty Work is getting a R-Rated cut soon.

>>212336096
It looks so cheap too. Not just the TV tier photography, but the drab production design and low quality CGI (except the dog). The colours are really off.

>>212336162
Reminds me of the DP for Robocop refusing to help out studios anymore after they tossed out all his notes and just retimed his movies to suit "modern tastes"

>>212336991
>take it up the ass
Art is pain, anon. Good art should cost something.

>>212332667
>shitskin zoomer never opened a dictionary in his life
lol
roflmao even

>>212329818
>all the old lighting guys died or retired
Anon movies aren't shot on film anymore unless you're nolan. You can't light for digital the same way you light for film because of how the two medium mechanically operate.
Some directors and cinematographers understand how to operate between medium. Michael Mann is somehow able to get amazing texture and grain out of digital that looks fucking gorgeous, and deakins can switch between both interchangeably.
But a lot of the old guard didn't make the jump to digital, and thats why you had a lot of movies in the late 00's and 10's that looked really shitty, flat, washed out, etc because people were still figuring out how to really make it work.
Also Dirty Work is an underappreciated masterpiece I saw in the theaters, and not a "Dogshit comedy" that particular scene is also one of the forced schmaltzy emotional beats, so its intentionally lit over dramatically.

>>212337101
>superhero movie satire
Its a little bit harder to pin down than that. The source material is pic related, the flaming carrot comics, which were weird cult comics.

>>212337126
The world was gonna roll me

digital ruined tv and movies

Everything is made with flat lighting so that it’s feasible to go back and digitally replace any and all elements in post. Most of the time they don’t even know what the bg is going to look like when they shoot a scene on green screen so the lighting is made as flat and neutral as possible.

>>212333525
They are categorically worse in real life

>>212332059
>That's because 95% of everything is a bluescreen or greenscreen.
You can't even use that as an excuse though, look at David Fincher and the way he'll construct entire scenes from digital elements and you never notice except when attention is brought to it (the zoom through the coffee mug handle in panic room).
And you have movies like 300 and Sin City that used it to great stylistic effect to make it look like you were watching a comic book come to life on the screen in a visually interesting and coherent way that would be impossible with traditional techniques of sets, lighting, and color.
The problem isn't the technology, hell the barrier to entry for an independent film maker is lower than it has ever been, and plenty of fantastic movies with good effects have been made on a personal computer for a few thousand dollars, and there's a chance your cell phone has a digital camera that's capable of taking film quality recordings.
The problem is the studio system and the size of the "global" box office.
Up until the 2010's the global box office was dominated by the US/North American box office with Euorpe and Japan being afterthoughts. So you had a smaller demographic of people you needed to sell on the movie.
Once Payformers realized marketing in china was SUPER cheap and very effective the target audience shifted from mostly north american to needing to pander more and more to china.
Now your lowest common denominator starts to get so low, and your audience is so broad, and you're "spending" a half billion dollars on production, hundreds of millions more on marketing and distribution, and you have no choice but to make the most luke warm boring inoffensive easy to follow piece of dogshit because you have to have risk management when you're handling that much money.

>>212337954
>You can't light for digital the same way you light for film because of how the two medium mechanically operate
Absolute dogshit. I set my lights up and test digitally before bringing the film out and DIRECTLY TRANSFER EVERY SETTING. It's the cheapness of very bright lights and too much gear infesting the sets, also the silly ease of wacking up sensitivity on the camera that completely remove the need for creative problem solving on set to make the shot happen. It's too easy now so there's a low fucking bar of technical ability, vision and ingenuity walking around.

>>212329766 (OP)
I just watched the trailer for the new version of The Running Man and holy hell, that movie looks like fucking dog shit. Movies ten years from now are gonna be uglier than those homemade, camcorder movies you'd used to see in rental stores back in the 80s/early 90s.

>>212333525
You apparently didn't pay very close attention because besides the main cops the rest had pistols and shotguns which was the standard weaponry of cops in the US pre 1997 because the North Hollywood shootout was yet to happen and one of the reforms to come from that was mandating cops carry rifles in their car

>>212329766 (OP)
Right is unironically also among the most colorful modern movies.

>>212338359
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>>212338420
I realize the last one is Waterloo but what are the others?

>>212329766 (OP)
I love watching 80/90s movies, even in garbage movies like the pic says there are beautiful shots, stills, great colouring. It looked so alive, so real

>>212333525
>if real cops shoot anything like the ones in this movie
Anon most of the time cops aren't involved in open gun fights, they're not spec ops soldiers. Even swat is supposed to have very specific and limited applications. Meanwhile Deniro and Kilmer are protagonists in a Michael Mann movie, so by default they're trained to casually shoot their way out of downtown detroit.

i like dirty work. IT RHYMES WITH COCK

>>212338590
After the cold war ended the military industrial complex was looking for new buyers since they didn't have an iron curtain to protect anymore.
One of the things they did was start approaching municipalities and offering to sell them heavier and heavier surplus equipment, and it was sold to the public with the "War on Drugs" which was a bottomless pit they could dump a fortune into and no one would reasonably expect to see any results because the CIA had largely created the crack epidemic in the first place because they had a bunch of coke on their hands because of another dipshit keikaku.

>>212338702
They had automatic rifles while the cops used shotguns and pistols the guy is a retard and the cops who had rifles like Pacino and Studi managed to kill the getaway driver and disable the car

>>212338677
they're ai

>>212329766 (OP)
"Gunn is a hack" is the answer.

>>212338825
I guess they staged the North Hollywood shootout too, right? So they could pass through reform and mandate police cars carry a rifle the sad thing is if you just pointed out that during the Waron Terror in the 2000's when the police globally had their weaponry advanced and powers expanded then you would be correct

>>212332717
>Comedy is shot with flat lighting and framing.
>Would Mr Beans with darker lighting and more contrast become a horror movie?
nta but don't ever post again.

>>212330669
>Even worse, is they're going back to old films and re-inserting grey haze or tints.
brutalist
>labelling artists as "autists" and sedating them or (framing then and) locking them up

I recently saw the new 4K restoration for Dirty Work and it does look subpar compared to most of the mainstream stuff of that era.

>>212338889
Damn those shots blow dick

>>212338943
No need to get vulgar but yes, they are quite stimulating.

>>212338948
A great shot ruined by blatant symbolism. Discretion is required, woah they passed through the “portal” or “veil”

>>212332755
this film is average but it's impressive the level (and budget) of VFX and set design for a comedy.

You literally cannot do that nowadays in the hollywood. It was a different time.

>>212338973
What a pseudy opinion.

>>212329766 (OP)
On /v/ we call it the "anti-soul gas"

>>212339003
Hardly. We both understand that scene perfectly. It’s a good shot I’m not saying it’s not. It’s just cheesy imo

>>212338677
Not that anon, plane crash is Tora ! Tora ! Tora ! and I think the nun one is To the Devil a Daughter.

>>212337458
Maybe if you're a faggot

>>212329766 (OP)
>HAH!?!

like it or not the new Jurassic is a good example of a modern movie well shot with nice colours and film grain

>>212338987
It cost $66M in 1999. That's not cheap at all.

If you want to see something really impressive, watch Death Machine, which was made for ~$3M and brutally mogs Verhoeven's RoboSlop.

Or Upgrade, $3M.

Talent matters.

>>212329818
>all old lighting guys died/retired
Also w/ digital cinema cameras today they have way more dynamic range and latitude for shitty lighting which gives way to lazy slop.

>>212329766 (OP)
lol that’s an evergreen meme I can think of a million scenes on both sides that fall into “shitty old films look better than modern epics”

https://youtu.be/wwIJ9pRWBpo
An utterly retarded film done on a crackerjack budget…

https://youtu.be/MW6E_TNgCsY
Looks like a PS1 cinematic

>>212339172
yes exactly I was implying that for a comedy it had a big budget. You can't make big budget comedies nowadays.

>>212339174
this. as in vfx during the 90s, limitations and workaround mentality were key. new "easy" tech and cheap studios make your modern kino look like shit

>>212338948
Babyfigs will never know the hype of seeing this opening night in the theater after months of WHAT. IS. THE. MATRIX!?! marketing and then walking out into the lobby/parking lot to everyone slow motion kung fu fighting between babby's first philosophical and existential debates.
Shit was cash.
A few years back I got the blu ray box set, and went back and rewatched the movie for the first time in years, and I was genuinely surprised by just how well it is shot, and how it keeps heaping up the mystery and sense of unreality.
Its seriously like 30-45 minutes into the movie before you get the big twist and learn what the matrix actually is. That whole first act is in the matrix and neo has no idea what is going on, and its set up to be some kind of underground fuck-the-man revolution against the Illuminati and "The Man."
Then neo goes through the rabbit hole and all of that gets thrown out of the window because it was ALL a facade, and lol you're in the distant horrifying future where skynet won and you're cyber-jesus.
There are so many great shots and transitions in that first act that all build up to the sense of unease and distrust in what you're being shown. Its a shame the sequels, outside of the action scenes, are just shot like a soap opera.

>>212329818
Are we really still pretending lighting is that hard to figure out? You niggas retarded.

>>212339172
This is the third time in a month I read a recommendation for Death Machine, alright I will watch it today.

Even saved the cinegrid last time.

My gf won't watch old movies. She won't watch anything unless it's on a streaming service. Like I can recommend something like apocalypse now and the gritty nature of the movie will repel her, but the moment she sees a Netflix logo at the start she'll be ok. Like she was super fine with the violence in squidgames season 3.

>>212330472
This doesnt look great either

>>212329766 (OP)
cgi slop.
>>212333455
>>they instead fo for lighting that is more compatible with CGI.
this anon somewhat gets it.

>>212338677
This >>212338359 is To Live and Die in LA

>>212339214
Only I can fuck up links so badly.. 2nd is supposed to be

https://youtu.be/R6vk9A7Ymf8

>>212339270
Don't expect too much from the movie as a whole, Norrington's Blade is much stronger, but his massive talent is already very apparent in Death Machine. First 20 minutes or so have the 80s/90s anime OVA vibe down to a T.

>>212338507
>JUST PAY THEM MORE MONEY SWEATY
Redditor detected. Fuck off faggot. No more gibs.

>>212338889
Looks shitty
>>212339270
Looks mid

>>212337257
Agree. That's not it at all. They intentionally do this because they think it looks better.

And of course part of the glowie operation to depress and demoralize your innermost soul with all these colourless or green/blue tints - but that part goes without saying.

>>212338677
The plane crash one is Tora! Tora! Tora! and it was actually an accident, those extras scrambling to get away were actually running for their lives. The plane was remote controlled and supposed to buzz over the airfield but for whatever reason it ended up flying into the set. Fucking close call, luckily it ended up as an amazing shot rather than a disaster.

>>212339268
>lighting is that hard to figure out?
Its not as easy as you think. You don't just turn a spotlight on your actors and start filming or it will look like shit.
Film is a visual medium, and you can convey a lot of information just by playing with the lighting and knowing how that is going to effect the audience's perception.
The phrase "low key" is actually originated from film lighting. You know the "key grip" guy in credits? He's the guy in charge of placing the lighting, and is in charge of the main or "key" lighting. When something is show with low key lighting, it means the lights are low to the ground and pointing up, giving everything a soft strange underlight glow. High key lighting would be the opposite, a light source from up high pointed down, giving everything a harsher downward facing shadow.
You've got to know how to set those lights with different colors to match the film stock and settings of the camera and lens. On old film cameras you had to over light everything because the picture would usually be very dark (because you're taking 28 pictures per second, not a lot of time for exposure.
Digital doesn't have that problem, it can shoot in all kinds of light levels with tons of color information that can be picked out and manipulated later.

>>212338687
Cool As Ice mogs

>>212338551
Edgar Wright lost his boomer DoP from the Matrix. Replaced with xennial chink whose greatest hit is the Oldboy (og) and Kenobi. He did It (2017) which looked pretty kino so IDK what the fuck is going on.

>>212339460
You're right. They're making everything less colourful now because of their demoralisation agenda.

>>212332755
As a kid I was interested in the tactile nature of the skull bowling ball. There's just something about it

>>212337379
Correct.

>>212338677
In order
>To Live and Die in LA
>To The Devil A Daughter
>Tora Tora Tora
>Waterloo

>>212329766 (OP)
two words
FILM+LIGHTING
obviously your movie wont magically look great without being a professional about their usage
not every FILM is equally good
But it seems untill the middle of 00s the whole Hollywood knew how to work with them
Its a shame the craft downgraded so much
not a single movie nowadays, no matter how big budget it is, can achieve the soul of some schlock of the 80s and 90s.

>>212339024
When did pikachu lose the color at the end of his tail? I swear he used to have brown or black at the end of it.

>>212341946
mandala effect

>>212329766 (OP)
LED lighting, digital cameras, digital intermediate post-production, Hollywood being filled with incompetent morons.

>>212342002
Not that anon, but I'm usually immune to most of the big mandala effect things.
Like I explicitly remember berenstain bears, and being aware of how it was supposed to be pronounced and read, but berenstein bears just sounded better. And the fruit of the loom logo was always just a bunch of fruit, but a cornucopia overflowing with fruit and veg was how it was usually depicted, and people just crossed wires.
But pikachu's tail stripe is the one that fucks with me because I can see it clear as day in my brain, but can't point out where from.

>>212329766 (OP)
Video.

>>212329766 (OP)
color grading. digital can look exactly like film if they wanted to make it so.

>>212329766 (OP)
some of it has to do with the over reliance of cgi

>>212330472
it has nothing to do with medium, it's all about lighting. the arri alexa from 2010 looks just as good as film still

>>212329766 (OP)
When Dean Cundey retires, you have my permission to die.

A lot of the digital look comes down to poor contrast. Poor value contrast, poor color contrast, it's even worse in tv shows.

>>212340487
A side effect of shooting on film is needing to make sure that every frame counts, so you have to limit the faffing about and try to get it the first or second time through, with a little bit of coverage for safety.
As for your pic, high depth of field and some mountains in the background is just a cheat code to an interesting shot composition.

>>212329766 (OP)
I’d say the use of film and analog color processing gave old films a lively dynamic feel vs. digital video and processing which is sterile and lifeless. I shoot vids and recently cop’d a cheap old video enhancer and the color grading looks wayyyy better than anything I could achieve digitally and with a lot less effort. Actual hardware will forever mog plugins and algorithmic processing when it comes to soul

>>212329766 (OP)
Reading old issues of American Cinematographer is like reading scrolls from the Library of Alexandria the film industry decided to burn down.

Everything looks bad because you got old and need glassses unc

>>212341946
Nobody knows. This redditor compiled a bunch of fanart dating back to 2007, all with black tip tail.

>>212343218
https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/4zrrto/comment/d6yj475/

This comparison is prime example of the problem. They wanted to recreate the scene from the original for nostalgiabait. All right, whatever. Of course, you can't use the old actors, and had to do shitty CGI Arnold, fine. But the new version clearly look so much shittier in every way - the lighting, the colors, wardrobe, everything. I mean they had the source material *right there*. All they had to do was to copy the frame of an old low budget action film one to one. No creativity required. Just copy.

They couldn't even do that. Hollywood is dead.

Rec me some aestheetic 90s films to watch

>>212343554
southern gothic meets neo film noir about a deal with the devil

>>212332755
How the fuck have I never heard of this, it looks like high octane kino

>>212339473
god damn

>>212332717
>Would Mr Beans with darker lighting and more contrast become a horror movie?
Some guy once said the difference between a comedy and a horror is the music.

I'm tired of ugly, pale movies.

>>212332755
This movie is so underrated its unreal. From a visuals perspective especially. And it was considered TRASH back then. We didn't know how good we had it.

>>212329766 (OP)
35mm

>>212329766 (OP)
They don't make kino anymore. They make slop, endless recycled iterations of slop. It's not just cinema and television- but video games, all forms of media, food, everything. Everything now is just bottom of the barrel slop. And it's only going to keep getting worse.

>>212329766 (OP)
No movie this year looks as good as this family flick from 25 yrs ago

https://youtu.be/ieICbMnSOvA?si=2fP8bU49tWnjJjGj

>>212332755
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>>212336737
"Mystery Men" is horribly unfunny and shitty. All the humor is tepid, surface level parody of superhero movies.

>>212337954
Michael Mann's digital films look like complete and utter dog shit. Like iPhone tier.

>>212344450
Don't care, those visuals alone merit a watch

>>212343707
Mystery Men is pretty shitty, but the line
>We are number one. All others are number 2. Or lower.
Stuck with me for life, for some reason.
>>212343641
This is 1980's. That DP came out of retirement to shoot The Planet Of The Apes sequels, and they look great.

>>212344272
this blu-ray costs a small fortune

>why?

>>212338903
nta but staging the north hollywood shoot out wouldn't of been that hard. and no one died? literally just the two perps? 4 full auto rifles, 2000 rounds, and they didn't manage to kill a single person?

>>212344574
shut up faggot

>>212339404
Shut the fuck up.

Cant think of anything to watch. Rec me something cool

>>212346803
Blade.

>>212337101
Megalopolis wished it looked like that

>>212346803
Watch Frailty (2001)

>>212329766 (OP)
it's Digital combined with special effects. the current digishit has way, way too much dynamic range and is shot flat and gay so they can add in effects in post easier. With film there was much less dynamic range

>>212343707
because it's such a bad movie. It just looks visually good due to the high production value and because shit was made better back then, but the actual writing and story are ass

>>212344080
This is a retarded people problem, actually. It concerns those too stupid to pick out the good stuff.

>>212338825
that has nothing to do with the fact all the cops have ARs now due to the north hollywood shoot out.

>>212347093
this is the most reddit movie ever

>>212339317
>>212338359
gorgeous. downloaded it just because of this webm.

>>212348062
You lack any and all sentience; vacant fucking shell.

>>212343551
In the original the punks do seem intimidating. Not compared to Arnold but I wouldn't like seeing them If I was alone after dark. The new ones just look goofy. They look more like they're doing it ironically or whatever faggy millenials would say.

>>212348062
shut the fuck up faggot

>>212348126
It's typical Friedkin slop, meaning it's extremely cynical, looks good and has an excellent chase scene.

>>212330472
that's the big thing. raw digital footage without a LUG applied looks super muted and grey, because it's preserving as much detail and contrast as possible to give the editor more flexibility. issue is the editors aren't doing their fucking jobs and are just letting it stay muted and grey
Rian Johnson talked about this with wanting to shoot The Last Jedi on film specifically to avoid that shit, but his director of photography did a handful of shots on digital and showed how they could actually look like film if you edited it right. so on Knives Out he went all digital and you can't even tell, because they actually fucking edited the footage properly

>>212338359
>>212338373
>>212338394
>>212338420
I don't know how anyone can watch modern shit when kinos look this good from decades past.

>>212332771
also has a blink and you'll miss it cameo by Victoria Pedretti as one of the Manson girls on horseback

>>212348842
Because you're dumb.

>>212333369
this is the same reason the trades are all dying
the old timers are gatekeeping their expertise and knowledge while treating new guys like dogshit, so the only people who will put up with the crap treatment and the initial 5 years of lousy pay are Mexicans. then when the old timers fuck off they take the knowledge with them and it's all dipshit Mexicans building everything

>>212348919
Boomers are sick individuals

>>212337101
>There was even a rumor for a while that Tim Burton ghost directed it

I sincerely fucking doubt that. Burton isn't even shy about putting his name on films that are openly acknowledged to be directed by other people. Plebs still think he directed Nightmare Before Christmas. No reason for him to direct this and keep quiet about it. And the studio wouldn't want it either. Burton was an infinitely bigger name than the actual director of the film, if they could have had "from the director of BATMAN" in every trailer and poster they absolutely would have done it.

It's far more likely they just showed their production designer some Burton movies and said "do that." It was to some extent a parody of the genre so the most successful recent comic films would have been a point of reference.

>>212338062
Flaming carrot is rad as fuck, too bad the movie based on the comic focused on his side characters. I guess they probably didn't want to have a main character who never shows his face and has a giant carrot head with flames coming out of the top.

>>212338889
I enjoy BVS but Snyder's color grading is almost as much of a meme as everyone says it is. I liked the saturated chiaroscuro look for 300. Not sure it was the way to go for Superman.

>>212333369
>>212348919
You try imparting anything to a lazy, entitled, broccoli-haired zoomie faggot screenzombie. I'm a carpenter and every apprentice we've had through for the last 8 years has been without exception a fucking idiot. We tell them how to do shit, they do it wrong, we show them again, they do it wrong again, we confront them, and they inevitably come out either with some
>oh sorry I wasn't paying attention the last two times can you explain it again?
bullshit or they unironically look at men three times their age with decades of experience and say
>yeah I heard you but I watched a youtube video where they did it this way and it makes more sense to me this way

That's if they show up at all. None of the lads here are Dirty Jobs-style work-worshipping arseholes who expect you to kill yourself for your craft but fucksake, one lad showed up for a week and then refused to come in the week after because they needed a "mental health break". After a fucking week. Of basic introductory instruction.

Also I bet you five quid one of the reasons everything looks so shitty and flat now is DEI. And no I'm not trolling or unhinged, think about it, what has been one of the big whines of the diversity hires in modern Hollywood?
>Eyo dem wyte peepo dun know how to bring up our beautiful dark skin on camera, light is RACIST yo
But in all the modern sloppa blacks are just as well lit as everyone else. Because it's just easier to light everything flat and assume they'll make it prettier in post.

>>212349467
I know what you mean but the CGI really ages wonderfully that way.

>>212338973
you're dumb.

>>212329766 (OP)
>>212329818

>>212339493
Those clips look like AI generated.

>>212329818
Ridley Scott modern movies look like garbage and he works with the same cinematographers

>>212338973
the contrast of the water makes the shot look good though

>>212350362
Only his "historical" flicks looks bad.

>>212339244
didn't both those fags get tranny brainwashed after the first film? (along with the fact the first film was ripping off a bunch of animes and cult films)

>>212329766 (OP)
So it's a daylight scene vs. a night scene, in completely different contexts. Why are Indians so bad at literally everything, including shot comparisons?
This is /v/-tier bait right here.

>>212338889
Its dark and black so its good meme

>>212350621
They had the same dominatrix, who's known for putting 300+ needles into a single dick, sissy hypno the shit out of both of them. Wish I was kidding.

>>212343081
Islington is so depressing.

>>212350962
>filtard

>>212350362
What? No, all the guys that made him shine in the 80s are long dead or retired. His shit has looked subpar since the 00s at the latest, even Gladiator was sketchy if we are being honest.

>>212343551
Modern DEI lighting be like "NOOO!! YOU CAN'T CRUSH THE BLACKERINOS! High whites aren't allowed either. Contrast is privilege!!" and that is why we get washed out, mutted and muted imagery.

>>212338394
Those guys were actually running for their life's, the remote control plane went the wrong way and straight into them. Kinda kino, btw it's Tora! Tora! Tora!

>>212337954
This is interesting

>>212348842
I don't watch modern shit

>>212349781
>five quid
Europoor detected, opinion fucking rejected. Enjoy the new blasphemy laws and the start of the People’s Caliphate of England

>>212343551
But the thing is, zoomers will still say "LOOKS THE SAME TO ME!"

>>212332755
BASED MYSTERY MEN

>>212344450
kill yourself

>>212338296

Barry Lyndon is fucking cheating and you know it. "I'm going to use a lens made by ancient swiss Gnomes in a vault a mile below Zurich, a custom camera, and light everything by candlelight. I don't care if you've done 80 takes, we do it until I say stop!"

>>212347167
second, it's nice and dark

>>212353392
Pleb.

>>212354413
It does, because they're looking at the video game they're playing on their other monitor, and even when they do occasionally glance at the movie they're only looking at the subtitles.

>>212330883
>>212330906

>>212338903
>>212346406
>>212347395
>I guess the CIA/Hollywood staged something? What are they, professional stagers or something?

>>212339389
You have dogshit reading comprehension.

>>212329766 (OP)
Respect Dirty Work faggot.

>>212341946
>>212343218
>>212342002
Probably just the obvious assumption you'd make. It has more visual symmetry with his ears, and even Pichu has a black tail. He's also got the brown stripe near the base of his tail.

>>212344485
You wouldn't get it.

It's insane how many movies from the 80s/90s which were regarded as like 5/10s at the time feel like 9/10s if you watch them now in comparison to modern movies.

>>212357106
>give me the cheap BBC look now!
Love those smeared frames. God forbid we have motion in an image.

The VVitch was shot on digital

>>212357320
Like I said.

>>212338825

The war on drugs started 2 decades before the end of the cold war, retard.

>>212338903 is right, it was the GWOT shit that turned every police department into a bunch of SEAL larpers.

>>212357106
>>212357473
Delicious.

>>212357449
aye aye you Devilish temptress, I wouldst like to live deliciously

>>212342216
I mean his ears have black tips, seems like a pretty easy thing to misremember.

>>212352126
Nah.

>>212357106
>>212357473
beautiful. only zoomers would shit on this. anyone under the age of 35 needs to be executed.

>>212357844
>piss filter
>long lens on a wide shot
>completely washed out BG for no reason
You think this shit looks good?

Random b-grade mid-2000s movie so irrelevant that no one here has seen it. But it's not gray or overgraded and the shot contains a healthy range of values.

>>212338948

I love 60s Continentals. Just don't drive them past any book depositories.

>>212329818
>>212333369
Thats not what happend, people still know how to light movies, the problem is they don't get hired or the the director makes the conscious decision to make the film looks like shit.

>>212329766 (OP)
Digital cams, simple as

>>212329766 (OP)
>>212330240
Gunn has stated that his family's surname was originally the Irish name MacGilgunn and that it means "sons to the servants of the god of the dead"; it actually means "son of the brown youth".

of course

In July 2018, in reaction to Gunn's public criticisms of President Donald Trump, commentator Mike Cernovich drew attention to controversial jokes that Gunn posted on social media between 2008 and 2012 involving pedophilia and the Holocaust.

of course

Gunn was raised in a Catholic family and has mentioned how prayer continues to play an important role in his life,[97] but has also said that he is, "in some ways, anti-religion".

of course

married for 8 years to a cutie, no babies

GAY PEDOPHILE DEATH WORSHIPING FAGGOT

>>212332755
Holy shit lmao
I knew it was bad in film too but not this bad.
T. - graphic design guy who can mutually relate to the old fucks retiring sometime in the 90's or 2000's and just saying fuck it all while the new generation throws lazy slop together.

If you have ever wondered why cartoons look like shit, merchandise designs, graphic tees, band logos, flyers, posters, magazines ect, its literally that theres not enough money going around to actually care anymore.

>>212329766 (OP)
Both look fine. This dramaslop is girlish.

>>212329766 (OP)
Everything looks like plastic, girls, movies and gaymes

>>212329818
It's less about real lighting and more about people failing at lighting in CG

>>212329818
The old lighting is gone too. All of the rental houses and studios purged their fresnels and gear like 15 years ago. All lighting is not cheap, portable and Chinese. I worked at a rental house when they ditched all their old shit and later worked at production lighting company. I helped design led lighting that replaced the classic stuff. It's all compact led shit that even under the warmest settings is flat and harsh. The companies buying the shit don't care at all, they just want it to be weatherproof and small. All anyone cared about was cri and compactness.

>>212329766 (OP)
Right looks unironically better

The real reason is that movies used to aimed at audiences from first-world countries (North America, Europe, Oceania), now they are aimed at retarded brown third-worlders so every movie looks like shit, every movie sounds like shit and every movie is written like shit because the target demographic is not Mike from Colorado, it's Ranshit from Analcrap Pradesh

>>212362880
I wish, they would still be somewhat decent
They're made for "the modern audience" which doesn't even exist

>>212329766 (OP)
everything is post-production

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTUM9cFeSo

https://youtu.be/EwTUM9cFeSo?t=226

>>212329766 (OP)
>random dogshit 90s comedy
dirty work is a fucking treasure you take that back.

>>212363352
it's not that movies don't look like movies. it's that tv shows now also look like movies, but we see them a lot more so now we think movies look like tv shows; there's no distinction anymore between movie and tv show production values, so the "point" of cinema has been lost.

>>212329766 (OP)
Jews lost the plot. They can't help themselves, but feed slop afer slop to the cattle. Have in mind that the white race is dying and that the only people breeding are the morons so you can understand why smart people like us feel that the quality has droped, but the dummies thet don't care. Indians love slop.

>>212338507
yeah this is half of it. The other half is the workflow. Big studios shoot on green-screens because they want the flexibility to change things in post. 90% of the budgets of these $250 million + movies go toward 1) paying the actors and 2) throwing a shitload of visual effects work at VFX houses with tight deadlines and constantly changing demands. It's not even the VFX themselves, just the fact that these studios don't plan any of their shots ahead of time and don't actually know what they want until they've test-screened it a million times.
That's why something like Dune costs way less than a marvel film and yet looks way better, since Denis rigorously plans everything from the getgo so there's no money wasted and the deadlines to complete the vfx work are reasonable. Dune movies still aesthetically look like ass imo but that's not a budget or even talent thing, it's just a stylistic trend which is a whole different conversation.

>>212363477
Nah, digital can't recreate realism right
I mostly blame unreal engine that they probably use

>>212358655
Ah, the classic Mindhunters.

>>212329766 (OP)
Because everything is digital now, no longer film tape

You can't have too much detail anymore (or there's no point to too much detail) because it will all get crushed on streaming sites anyway.

We need to go back

>>212329818
>plus sub 100 iq people don't trust something if it looks "different" so you have to make everything look like a youtube video

>>212329766 (OP)
Why the fuck does a random movie from Saudi Arabia have better lighting? They didn’t even make movies pre 2018
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-YoW_1fse2Q&pp=ygUg2KfYrdmE2KfZhSDYp9mE2LnYtdixINil2LnZhNin2YY%3D

>>212329766 (OP)
>we'll do it later with computers
Pushes out people who know how to do things

>>212367561
>people who know how to do things
America *hates* those people, why do you think people are excited for AI/automation? In the glorious future no one will have to know anything, or be good at anything. We can finally stop feeling vaguely inferior to the do-ers and know-ers!

>>212349781
>oh sorry I wasn't paying attention the last two times can you explain it again?
Too real. Add "clumsily and transparently tries to scam you" and that would be my awful experience with zooms.

>>212338445
Where? Fucking Bosnia? Brazil? Prussia? Your average US town is paradise in comparison.

>>212329766 (OP)
1940s movies also looked entirely different from 1970s movies, are you going to be whining about how 90s movies look like shit compared to the 60s?

>>212344485
anon. all he did was darken the black levels. the shot is still low contrast kek.

>>212368631
meant for
>>212357106

>>212355026
topkek lost. made me truly smile.

>>212339460
>NOOoooOoOoOoOoOOOOOoooOooOoO I aM bEiNg DEEEEEMOOORAAAAALISED BY MODERN DAY COLOUR CHOICES!!!!

How is anyone supposed to take this shit seriously?

>>212338903
kek who is Waron Terror

>>212344080
They make plenty of great films to this day. The problem is people like you not giving a flying fuck about watching or finding them because you’re obsessed with whining about the latest Disney movie for the billionth time because all you actually care about is blockbuster shlock while pretending you care about films

>>212342002
kek this thread is full of wonders. you silly little ESL anon

>>212349781
>BAAAAWWWWW IT’S BECAUSE DEI

Oh shut the fuck up

>>212342368
You guys always use the wrong scenes in the picrel. It really irks me, yknow.

>>212342566
Well stop being a useless piece of shit and revive that tech field, then.

>>212349781
>because they needed a "mental health break". After a fucking week. Of basic introductory instruction
yeah it's because they worked there and can't afford to leave their moms basement even if they mastered the craft TODAY and started working at the shop 120 hours a week for the rest of their life. And he has to come to work SOBER or he's going to put a nail through his fucking hand.
You have a house, probably kids, probably a wife, or at least had the opportunity to get these things. Zoomers some day hope to achieve the luxury status of 'van down by the river'. yes, of course he needed a mental health break after only a week, that week taught him just how hard the job was and just how much it did not pay.

>>212329766 (OP)
>image from a scene with very little motion and contrasting lighting ripped straight from the blu-ray
vs
>image clearly in the middle of motion ripped from youtube with an assload of compression

new capeshit looks like fucking garbage slop but you could at least make it a fair comparison you fucking faggot

>>212343554
Dark City, 4k remaster just came out

>>212369067
>can remaster old movies by just rescanning the original film, increasing resolution and visual data by analogue means
>28 Days Later will always look like 480p shit
Along with OP's point, digital movie making was a mistake. It allows for laziness and shortcuts.

Much of yesterday's cash-in slop is better than today's kino.

>>212348062
you will never fit in

>>212329766 (OP)
DLSS and FSR

>>212336737
>'IT'S JUST NOSTALGIA BR. EVERYTHING IS BETTER NOW!
People say that shit on /vr/ now. It's literally a retro board!

>>212369391
>48fps

it's genuinely jarring how i'll watch a random 90's 5/10 and think to myself "damn the lighting looks so good" then i'm psyopped into watching the "latest fotw masterpiece" and it's complete incompetent slop

this was trashed for "bad cinematography" in the 80s

>>212337263

even more brutal redpill is when you compare the lighting from 70-90s european PORNOS to modern hollywood

>>212369187
Could you imagine them trying to make The Flintstones movie today

>>212356767
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE PAY US MOAR!
NO. Not my problem if you have to prostitute yourself on the sidewalk for your art. Be a starving artist.

>>212368949
Oh piss off eh. I'm millennial so the only reason I have a slightly better prospect of owning property than brocco-brains is my parents will likely die sooner, and our women are even more cooked than yours. And where the fuck do you live that working in a trade is like that, fucking Bangladesh? Over here even jobsite construction carpentry is a well-paid job after you finish your apprenticeship, and most of them are self-employed and diddling their taxes like a five dollar whore anyway - it's a job where you can largely pick your jobs and choose your own hours if you're even mildly competent and on an hourly basis you'll be getting more money than some goober who spent loadsamoney on a degree and ended up stewing in some shitty open plan office all day. If you're even halfway decent you can step up to cabinet carpentry and do custom kitchens and built-ins which is basically the same but earning two or three times as much money. If you have real talent you can do fine furniture and literally make more money than top lawyers and doctors for basically a hobby. And that's carpentry, where your earnings are directly proportional to your talent - do fucking plumbing or electrics and you'll make a mint so long as you have the basic competence to leave your jobs without anyone dying or being drowned in shit.

But yeah, if you want that you do actually have to buckle down and show up to the fucking apprenticeship training. You have to work a full time(which in civilised countries has a maximum, in our case 40 hours a week) job for two whole years at slightly reduced pay in the first year. Boo fucking hoo you fucking fairy poofter, if you're not willing to work the bare minimum you *deserve* to rot in a shitty old van parked in an industrial estate.

>>212347093
Dishonest cinematography.

>>212329766 (OP)
film vs digital

>>212330472
its lighting, the 13 million budget movie was filmed outside and superman was filmed in a lit soundstage with a green screen behind it

You've got to see the movie. My career depends on it.

>>212338973
>the matrix
>blatant symbolism
yeah. that totally never worked, sad that movie bombed and went nowhere

>>212338889
not one of those shots are even passable lol, just because sneeder cranked up the contrast doesnt mean he's competent saar

>>212337379
>Dirty Work
I'm gonna go camping outside Blockbuster to pick up my copy!

>>212329766 (OP)
It's the dogshit filters. For some reason modern Hollywood is obsessed about killing color.

>>212368631
>>212368647
It's not about contrast and he didn't darken anything, that's just how digital cameras captured light at the time. The texture on the night scenes is much grainier than the daytime ones.

>>212371922
all the digital shit they add can only handle a set chromatic range without adding a bunch of fucked up artifacts because its shitty CGI

They're still figuring out how to grade log footage.

>>212367006
>Because everything is digital now, no longer film tape
Sinners? Materialists? Phoenician Scheme? Die My Love? Jurassic World Rebirth? One Battle After Another?

>>212338394
How did they do this?
Can't be a miniature set. Did they really crash the fucking planes?

>>212329766 (OP)
zero talent
zero artistry
zero feeling
zero sincerity
the earth ran out of souls and anything born after 1998 is an empty shell running on mimickry only

>>212367211
Night photography like this is a good example. Back then the photographer had to sit down and decide where he would spend the lighting resources because most slow or moderate stocks (which you would use for colour and detail quality) couldn't expose well enough at night to capture everything. Digital now can, so there is a lot less deliberate lighting design (not all films obviously)

>>212367348
>>212367348
Fincher has a lot to answer for. Darius Khonji used very complex lighting set ups on films like Se7en and it looked fantastic. Fincher fired him on Panic Room because he wanted less focus on every shot looking like a cinegrid and production to move faster.

>>212348732
love Friedkin slop

>>212349781
nta but I learned a very speciffic trade, passed my "exam" very close to perfect, however I think I made every single mistake you could make at least once during the learning process. Plenty of old timers have no patience at all and are too retarded to imagine what its like learning a trade for the very first time(all the while they ask you to help them fix their pc for the nth time, cant into browser extenstions, etc.), or like that other anon said they simply dont give a shit if you understand or dont.

>>212368096
There's a boomer podcast I listen to (I don't know why) but he's a lolbertarian and he constantly rants about muh good enough is good enough. He fully embraces jeetification - workers should be contractors. You pay for quick results. How the job gets done isn't important, just as cheaply and fastly as possible. Just total shitfication of every industry.

>>212372207
I watched Nosferstu at the cinemas and was really impressed by the photography. Looked it up and sure enough it was film. Same with the new Sabrina Carpenter music video. Seems if you have money you can still get quality results.

>>212329818
it's similar to what happened with computer games.
when the hardware can't do much, you need creative people to squeeze out as much as possible from the limited resources. in games it was graphics and music that surpassed hardware limitations due to human ingenuity and creativity.
in films it was lighting, special effects, and performing well the first time instead of "editing in post".
that meant that creative minds rose to the top, because their stuff, no matter how cheap the hardware, stood out among the others. that saw them being recruited to the best studios, or then becoming the best studios.
now it's all just computer swill done for as cheaply as possible, for as high an inflated estimate as they can successfully lie about.
another parallel element with games/films is keeping it as low risk as possible. for songs/music, games, films - everything is a watered down clone of everything else. creative people are not in charge of creative things, it's corporations that just bought them out making the decisions.

>>212372510
Something mentioned above that separates it from games - film technology peaked in the 90's. They had the process working at 100% by then. To be fair to digital, it's only been dominant for 10 to 15 years.

>>212329766 (OP)
Using a lot of filters to hide bad, cheap special effects, bad CGI, and the constant use of green screens

>>212372541
Also film tech itself has gone backwards. Anon above mentioned the reduced selection in lighting, but also stock companies and labs have removed tons of options over the years. Tarantino had to a digital color time on Django because no labs could do an affordable bleach bypass.

>>212372541
film techniques and effects had peaked within the limitations, meaning it looked amazing when the top talent made something.
games peaked in creativity in the mid to late nineties, and diminished thereafter as hardware limitations became unimportant.

>>212372465
most people older than 40 grew up with quality over quantity and can still remember it.
if there's an isolated retard who wants mass produced crap, he's probably the kind of low iq tasteless moron who'd make a podcast etc in the first place.
sane people don't do that.
it's unfortunate that the loudest voices are also the stupidest.

>>212329766 (OP)
hey fuck you asshole dirty work is great

>>212349781
third worlders and feminists have no creativity or talent. they're also highly arrogant because of their mental deficiencies combined with no one being allowed to criticise them. they didn't achieve their position through talent, but through a fast-track based on their victim status.
same reason why games suck anus now - and nothing's funny anymore.
the lack of attention span is a lot due to their addiction to everything that is designed to hold their attention by force.
social media, phones, even films/adverts with 0.2 second cuts.
they've been conditioned since birth to have a fraction of a second attention span.
having a conversation with them requires you to accept that they won't listen to most of what you say and won't remember it, and that if you say anything they haven't heard of they will instantly, during that very conversation, look it up on plebbit/youtube/wikipedia/ai.
it's not their fault, they were born into this fake world and don't have fully developed human brains, as most of their reasoning and decision making is offset to a machine.

>>212371741
Possession (1982) shot outside, on an overcast day, and intentionally meant to look hazy and drear, and it still has less grey haze than modern films.

>>212372757
Modern production shot outdoors with Grey Haze Disease on full display.

>>212372779
It spread to gaming too.

>>212372909
It being in gaming hints at some underlying issue or trend in theory and application. Or it could simply be gaming following the lead of film/tv.

>>212372779
it looks so shit for several reasons.
one is like in skyrim etc, all the bodies are the same size/scale and it just looks bland, uniform and unnatural - incredibly boring.
they have those three standing in uninteresting spots, all around the same height and build despite being supposed alien races, in reality different races shoved in for forced reasons.
uninteresting, meaningless poses, shit location that just looks like a bit of scrubland, no purpose to the thing they're in front of, not even looking at anything particular. they aren't actors, they're props - like someone playing with unposable action figures.
there's no artistry in the actors, director, set dresser, location picker, costume designer.
it's like everyone's been lobotomised.

>>212372757
>>212371741
And here is an almost random film-grid of a film that has a lot of outdoors scenes and even overcast days.

>>212372935
Yes, that's in addition to Grey Haze Disease and I think it's the widescreen format.

I noticed this first with Family Guy and The Simpsons, but it's all over live action too. Each character takes up a quadrant of the screen, it's very flat, and there's no interesting staging. It's bland and cookie cutter.

>>212338973
You're analysing this single little shot as if it's some defining story moment, when it's just a really good looking, well planned out cinematic shot with some crumbs of poetry to it. It's a sign of mastery of your medium when you're able to season normal moments like this with "symbolism" that is in line with the theme of your story, especially when it does nothing but add more meat to the work and takes absolutely nothing away from it.

If the scene was shot and edited as if them passing through the rain was some big, important moment, I would absolutely agree with you, but it isn't shot like that at all. They literally just drive through it normally.

>>212373044
there are artistic principles that have been known about for centuries, but none are applied anymore.
what's a form of media that is still artistic? I can't think of any

>>212373126
We're past bump limit.


I think corpos just got too big and these are commands going downwards. They hire animators but say "we don't want the show to be too animated and to distract from the dialogue". They want a show that has people standing around flapping their gums, rather than something "animated". Same in live action. They don't want anything dynamic they want something shot fast and produced fast and isn't confusing or distracting for viewers.

I think the widescreen format is utilized in a very lazy cookie cutter way of having the entire screen filled at once rather than using any kind of interesting staging or framing, simply to save time, make it easier to produce. You barely need to storyboard anything.

Grey Haze Disease.

Can we go back to the film standard, almost nobody is good at digital

>>212373267
I'll keep an eye out for widescreen disease, haven't seen anyone mention that as a cause for lack of creativity, but it's worth observing.
corproate lack of risk, doing things by the numbers has a lot to do with it, but I think there's be an overall near total death of creativity - maybe creative people still exist, but they've never had an outlet to practise with, and so never developed their talents or if they have, never had any exposure.
now we have ai swill, so everything is going to start looking identical and meaningless

>>212346753
No, eat shit, retard.

>>212373267
I have a feeling that AI will replace special effects, they'll just interpolate one scene to another, and have a standardised scene output for whatever the action is.
they'll even be so lazy as to reuse the same prompts over and over because they don't want to pay someone to write a new one, so it'll look even more samey

>>212360394
each generation of old heads kept their knowledge because they didn't want to be outdone and forgotten
/co/ will also tell you how the industry has no money anymore, and its surprising what does get greenlit even then
the economy/market/etc is too optimised around smaller things where even until the 90s or 2000s it was diffuse. you'd get cool ephemera like flyers, merch, posters as you'd say because the person who made it could live off that sort of work