Now that the dust has settled, can we finally admit that Conan was in the wrong and totally deserved everything that happened to him.

>>212401566 (OP)
I've always known that

>>212401566 (OP)
No

Conan literally strongarmed NBC into giving him the Tonight Show even though he was getting bodied by Craig Ferguson every night. Bro was like “give me Jay’s show or I’m leaving,” meanwhile Leno was #1 in the ratings for 15 fucking years. Then after the “coup,” Leno still kept dumpstering Letterman while Conan was out here doing some cringe watered-down 12:30 crap that nobody watched. Ratings were in the toilet.

Leno was a working class dude who beat dyslexia, while Conan is some Harvard blueblood rich kid who thought he was too cool for middle America. Yeah bro, real man of the people vibes while you tank the network.

Leno built that shit. Conan fumbled it. Cry more, gen X dorks!

>>212401566 (OP)
What happened to him?

The save Coco protests were really cringe

At one point Jay Leno was the greatest standup comedian in the world.d Conan is and has always been a rich kid poseur. Conan’s deserves. Far worse than what he got.

Conan is a great interviewer but his standup/monologue has always been weak. I'd rather watch Letterman or Leno even though I'm a millennial.

>>212401715
conans contributions to the Simpsons and his show before 9/11 were funnier than anything Leno did at his peak

>>212401566 (OP)
Smells like bait, but I’ll bite. Jay wasn’t ready to retire and Conan wasn’t ready to take over. It was all too rushed and Conan pushed for it. Should Jay have stood up to Conan and the execs to keep his show, yeah. Should Conan have taken the later spot because his rating were tanking, also yeah. Both are at fault, but hey they both made out like bandits well we debate about retarded shit like talk shows.

>>212401680
He fleeced NBC out of millions and convinced the world that he was done wrong and not a total failure. If anything the whole situation went amazingly well for Conan, who really should have just been kicked to the curb and left to fail on another network unable to hold an 1130 show.

>>212401672
>he was getting bodied by Craig Ferguson every night.
He was? I only ever watched Ferguson and whenever he brought Conan up I thought he was the one getting bodied not Conan. I guess that went over my head.

>>212401787
>whole situation went amazingly well for Conan,
Wrong. He was already rich and wanted to host the Tonight show, ideally for 25+ years, more than anything in the world. He got his shot and shit the bed. 15 years later and it still burns his ass. Pathetic!

>>212401566 (OP)
Leno is childless and his wife has dementia. Conan won.

>>212401828
He was I remember reading it in Bill Carter's book about the conflict. That's when NBC execs first became worried about him taking over.

>>212401858
Conan has talked about being on anti depressants on his podcast. What a loser lmao

Conan's show was never going to do well in the mainstream and it was great when it wasn't trying to be what it wasn't. In addition, moving up a time slot made the humor less edgy than it was previously and the show lost its voice.

>>212401861
>>212401828
He never got bodied but not longer after Conan was announced as Leno's successor he started episodically losing to Craig

>>212401566 (OP)
Jay Leno has a giant collection of vintage and antique cars. Conan?

>>212401847
I disagree. Richer and able to spin a tale of woe is preferable to not richer and never getting the show at all. I think "they never gave me a shot" would have been worse for his ego too than "they screwed me over".

>>212401828
Craig was fucking fantastic. The real crime is that he didn’t get to take over for Letterman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uarJj-K4XH4

>>212401940
He'd much rather be still hosting a successful Tonight Show with a much lower net worth than be a beloved and rich podcaster. Moreover, had the Tonight Show not failed he'd be as rich as he is now. That he came so close and ended up fucking it up will haunt him for the rest of his life.

I will never take the side of a boomer, so by default Conan did nothing wrong.

>>212402015
Conan, like Obama, is technically a boomer even though they seem gen x.

>>212401566 (OP)
Something something Haiti something something liberal faggot Conan something something based right wing Leno

>>212401715

Conan's mansion in the Palisades didn't burn down during the fires. But if this were a just world it would have.

>>212401672
Leno leaving was planned years ahead, there was no "coup". Conan was the logical choice to follow him, there was no need to "strongarm".

That Leno changed his mind last minute about retiring was unlucky when the contract with Conan was already signed. The rest was mismanagement by NBC because they tried to keep both Leno and Conan happy.

I don't understand why people have been trying to create drama over this for the past 15 years. Anyone who was ever part of corporate life should know there is no faulty party other than the company that allowed this situation to happen.

>>212401765
Just cos his name was on the script doesn’t mean he wrote ANY of the jokes, dumb fuck.

>>212401672
yeah that sums it up well.
Conan is an intellectual Leno is a ~conman.
People prefer Leno because they are stupid.

>>212402959
God, I hate poor people.

>>212403109
>People prefer Leno because they are stupid.
I can't imagine being this invested in a celebrity who doesn't know I exist

>>212401566 (OP)
Why didn't you use a question mark when you asked a question?

>>212403109
>>212403176

Conan resonated with awkward, beta Gen X guys who felt like failures. He was intelligent and well educated but socially clumsy, especially around women. They saw him as a cooler, more successful version of themselves, even though they weren’t especially bright and mostly just fancied themselves intellectuals because they thought their taste in TV and movies was more sophisticated, like a bunch of Comic Book Guys from The Simpsons.

>>212403413
Conan losing the Tonight Show was gen x nerd 9/11

>>212403413
>>212403423

>>212401672
Sorry your class resentments shape your humor. Is that why dumb people prefer Leno and the hip intellectuals like Dave and Conan?
>man of the people
Yeah, you like 'folksy', lowest common denominator stuff that's not too much to think about. It's okay. You're in the majority. Yeah, we need you to run the plumbing and build the roads and be cops and shit. But no one respects your King of Queens taste, Joe Beercan. Next time more of you will vote Democrat again because it's time and you'll be very poor and mad at Trump by 2028, but you don't realize that yet. Mark my words.

>>212401948
It wasn't Letterman's call. He said he'd have wanted a woman for the job, but Dave says stuff like that because you can't prove he doesn't mean it. He was disappointed that Colbert got it. Colbert didn't really want it either. They kind of talked him into doing it. Late night is ruined because Kimmel is the best of the 11:30 guys but he's all in with the politics. Colbert sucks for that same reason. Fallon is just awful, and I won't watch him even without the politics. Meyers has the smartest show, but I don't like him much and don't stay up that late.
Conan was the last good thing going after Dave and Craig had hung it up. The format is dead. Colbert's interviews are fucking edited. You can tell. The professionalism is gone.

>>212401672
>Leno built that shit.
You were so close

>>212403509
Posts like this drives people to vote against liberal elites. People don’t like your snobby attitudes and holier than thou sanctimony. You Harvard boys and nepobaby rich kids love the smell of your own farts a little too much sometimes. I’m not really anti-democrat per se, but im definitely anti-snob elitist.

>>212403593
>It wasn't Letterman's call

It actually was. CBS gave Letterman complete control of the 1230 show. His producer, Peter Lassally, handpicked Craig to host it.


Great interviews with Lassally, who was Carson's exec producer as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgifgNG18Dk&list=PLJP_M59vk2Fojy84o_RXSqqF6hJLNWkaL

>>212402964
Conan should have been given more time to develop the show and win over America. He did it before and he would have done it again. Dave did it. They just got nervous and fucked him because they wanted too much. Corporate profit is not good for comedy. It's amazing we got so many amazing years of Dave and Conan doing what they did. Still feels like somehow we got away with something. It doesn't feel like any TV personality has the kind of network power a Letterman or a Carson had at the height of their careers. There won't ever be big people like that again. Like when they say Tom Cruise is the last real movie star. He probably is. The old ways are dying. It's getting closer to the Warhol 15 minutes thing.

>>212403593
All the late night shows are too politic obsessed now. It’s so fucking tiresome watching all of them trying to be wannabe Jon Stewarts

>>212403413
>even though they weren’t especially bright and mostly just fancied themselves intellectuals because they thought their taste in TV and movies was more sophisticated, like a bunch of Comic Book Guys from The Simpsons


That's why /tv/ is pro Conan

>>212403008
The writers all gush about how brilliant Conan was. The way credits work is that he also wrote a fuckton of jokes in episodes other people got credit for. You're an idiot if you don't know Conan was a big writing contributor to everything he does. Check out the old SNL sketch Molecular Man from when he hosted. He wrote that himself.

>>212403369
Are you Bizarro World me? I get mad when people add unnecessary question marks at the end of statements. We should team up and fight punctuation crime.

>>212403653
He actually was given time (about 7 months), which is longer than it sounds in late night terms when you’re bleeding viewers every night. The problem wasn’t just low ratings, it was that NBC’s local affiliates were getting hammered in the news slot because so many people were tuning out and not coming back. When affiliates start threatening to drop the network’s programming or move it to worse time slots NBC executives shit themselves.

I agree that corporate profit pressure isn’t good for creativity, but NBC’s panic was totally rational. Conan wasn’t gaining traction fast enough, and the whole primetime/late-night lineup was imploding. It sucks because he absolutely deserved better, but the station owners were revolting, and the network was terrified of losing hundreds of millions in ad revenue.

His 12:30 show was smart and creative but the reality is he never had quite what it took to appeal to a broad, middle American audience the way Carson, Letterman, or Leno did. His style was always going to be more niche.

>>212403509
Leno wanted his old show back because it employed so many people he cared about. Real stand up guy unlike that pasty Ivy League cunt you losers worship.

>>212403622
That's a RETARDED reason to vote!! Only a fool would vote for spite because they don't like smarter people rubbing it in their dumdum faces. I wish we could learn that and tone it down for the votes. Liberals are smart enough to WANT smarter people than even them running things. Rightwingers actually want someone they feel comfortable on a personal level to represent them and make huge decisions. The whole "have a beer with the guy" argument. That right there outlines how fucked your priorities are. You're like that with everything. "Intuition" over facts. I've heard arguments where you'll justify lies because they "feel true". People knew damn well they weren't eating the cats and dogs. They voted because he could say ANYTHING and get their vote. It's not even about facts and plans or a lack of them, it's about gut reaction and hunch. At least for the dumb people. Too many didn't vote at all.

>>212401935
A family with children.

>>212403641
*Colbert wasn't Dave's call. I know everything you know and probably more. I eat up insider television/filmmaking non-fiction books and memoirs like housewives read Danielle Steel.
I have all the Larry Sanders episodes on VHS from the original airings. This side of Don Giller I'm the biggest late night TV nut west of the Rockies.

>>212403715
The fag-talkers and ESLs have it coming.

>>212403654
Yeah. I'm a good lefty but I don't want it in my comedy. I don't want any politics in my entertainment at all. It ruins everything. That's why I miss Conan so much.
Fallon's ruined because of the fakeness and all the stories of being a bad boss. That shit ruins stars for people. Ellen is gone, Corden is gone, Will Smith may never recover... no one likes a real asshole. When you're exposed as a bad person who isn't nice to the help America will shun you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeF8a5Qv00

I liked Conan's post-monologue bits WAY more than Leno's. Conan was a better interviewer, and arguably had better joke delivery.

He was better on Late Night

>>212403863
Dave's production company World Wide Pants produced the Late show and Late Late show until he retired. CBS took control of both shows from World Wide Pants in 2015.

>>212403741
Yeah, I was there. I watched every single episode since he ran across America. I still believe NBC should have taken major losses and forced him on everyone until it took. That's unrealistic and greedy but it's what I wanted.

>NBC should have lost hundreds of millions of dollars because I like Conan more than Leno

>yeah so that's what happened
>[silence] what is WRONG with you?
>[fake audience laugh]
>guest says something mildly amusing
>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Conan's fake joker laugh is worse than Fallon's.

>>212403948
NBC did take major losses. They had to pay a fuck ton to Conan for breaching his contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls8d5Kw9qAQ


Letterman asked Conan to be in this commercial and he refused because he was so butthurt. Spoiled Harvard brat was always used to getting what he wanted.

>>212403770
Conan paid the salaries of his entire crew while they were off the air. He created a live tour to keep them employed. He paid out of pocket and made sure they all landed on their feet even after everything was all over. You have no idea what you're posting. I'm not saying Leno wasn't doing right for his own staff, but you can't say Conan fucking wasn't. I thought that was well publicized. I suspect you're posting in bad faith.

>>212403741
You left out the part where Leno started doing a 10p show that was a disaster and killed Conan's lead-in ratings. The way you worded things making it seem like you're suggesting local affiliates were losing ratings because of Conan, but it was Leno's show that was killing 11p local news slots, which killed Conan's lead-in.

>>212403692
>The writers all gush about how brilliant Conan was.
He should have stayed a writer
He sucked at night

>>212403991
Yes. But I'd rather they lost even more and left him on the air for 30 years like Carson got. It was his dream. And it became mine.

>>212404024
That’s exactly the point. Leno’s 10pm experiment was a disaster for NBC, no question. But Conan’s show wasn’t strong enough to hold onto viewers afterward, which made things worse. The affiliates were losing viewers during the local news because people were tuning out after Leno’s 10pm mess and then didn’t come back for Conan at 11:30.

Conan’s style just didn’t have the broad appeal needed to keep that big audience in place, especially after a failed primetime lead-in. Meanwhile, Leno was crushing it for years with his traditional approach, appealing to a wider audience. NBC wasn’t wrong to panic when Conan’s ratings tanked, because at the end of the day, networks need numbers, and Conan wasn’t delivering them.

>>212403008
no shit that's why you listen to the commentaries from the dvds where they explicitly point out what he DID write

so many of the abe Simpson/contempt for the elderly being useless jokes in the show (not just his credited episodes) were him

>>212404014

Great PR move for Conan. I love how he repeatedly talked about paying his staff, whereas Jay said nothing until years later. Even if it was a nice gesture, don’t act like that excuses him strong-arming NBC and screwing over Leno, who was killing it in the ratings and kept the show #1 for 15 years. Leno fought for his people without all the Ivy League drama and diva moves. Stop pretending Conan was some flawless saint just because he played nice behind the scenes.

>>212403819
shut the fuck up

Jay won

>>212404099
This is what the history books will remember. Jay won and Conan lost. Jay had the last successful late night show and Conan's ratings were shit.

It's funny how people here have to pretend that Leno isn't the most soulless boring boomer alive because Conan said something positive about Haiti once.

>>212404011
Yet Dave is still in Conan's corner over Jay. That would have been awesome but just getting Dave and Jay together was more than enough, more than anyone ever could have hoped for. Hell, just Dave and Oprah together is always funny. She wouldn't be on his show for YEARS because he and his wife were in a restaurant in Paris and he told the management Oprah was taking care of his tab. LOL
Talk about not having a sense of humor. Billionaires can be no fun sometimes. But she went on and buried the hatchet because at the end of the day Oprah is good people too.
They all seem cool. Jay seems great even. It's just a bad situation.

>>212404156
>Yet Dave is still in Conan's corner over Jay
No fucking shit. He's hated Leno since Jay got the Tonight Show gig over him in the early 90s. Leno beat him in the ratings for almost 20 years. Misery, and failure, loves company.

>>212403863
>>212403927


hey guy who knows more than me I'm waiting for a response

>>212404083
>Ivy League

There's that class resentment again. It's obviously a chip on your shoulder. You participate in (or start) nepotism threads, don't you? lol
You're one of those bitter men who thinks things in the world "aren't fair" and you prefer real "salt o' the earth" types. If only Jeff Foxworthy could have gotten the Tonight Show. You'd be busting a gut at him right now and not here all pissed off.

>>212404223
Lol you really think in these absolutes: there’s the poor and dumb and the rich and brilliant, and obviously you and Conan are the towering intellectual heavyweights in the room who are above white trash subhumans who prefer Leno.

You’re basically the exact type I was talking about here:
>>212403413

Conan resonated with all these awkward, beta Gen X guys who thought they were misunderstood geniuses but were really just socially clumsy dorks who never accomplished anything. You’re one of them. A middling, unsuccessful dude who has to convince himself he’s smarter than everyone else to cope with the fact that you’re a nobody.

But hey, keep pretending you’re an enlightened sophisticate because you watched a talk show hosted by a Harvard grad. Whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.

>>212403440
Even though I hated them at the time, I miss early 2010s hipsters

>>212404286
TRUTH NUKE

>>212404197
Everyone knows Dave won where it counts. Cool points are worth more than ratings. Dave banged interns and didn't get divorced or canceled over it. He took on vapid Hollywood and made a mockery of it. Julia Roberts was in love with him. He always ripped Bill O'Reilly a new asshole and yet Bill always returned. Dave was the classy elder statesman of late night and everyone will always respect him more. The history books... lol. Dave's 9/11 speech will put him ahead of Jay if you want to really look at that side of it. Everyone knows Dave was the hipper, smarter choice. Even those who didn't watch him. If you're proud to be in the lowest common denominator audience who champions mediocrity and loved those Judge Ito and John Wayne Bobbitt jokes, Leno is your man. But if you really know anything you know that Leno is an AMAZING standup comedian and he denied America his real talent. He dumbed himself down. All the comics will tell you he was a genius in the 80s UNTIL he got on TV. Then he was a shrewd business man and he knew exactly how to speak to middle America, and he did. The corn belt didn't like Conan and Dave and Seinfeld and all that clever humor. They like simple. That's okay, but don't pretend the majority is intellectually superior or cooler. We all know that's bullshit. It's almost impossible to be super popular AND cool at the same time.

>>212403622
>People don’t like your snobby attitudes and holier than thou sanctimony.

So they vote for republicans who are just as elitist, went to the same schools as the democrats did and not only that but they will always actively shit on you for being a lazy video game playing bum, because they just need an easy scapegoat as they are robbing millions of people of their healthcare and it might as well be you? The same people who cut funding for NOOA and then in the aftermath of a natural disaster, like the current Texas floods, they will hold press conference where before giving any updates they will spend the first 25 minutes just jerking each other off for how good of a job they are all doing while praising Trump. And then say insane shit like prayer is what stopped the flooding from being worse than that’s why the 6th is now the day of prayer in the state. Because who needs to fund programs that help warn people about extreme weather and be aware of incoming danger when you can just pray the pain away later? These are the people we just have to vote for instead because those fucking snob libs annoyed me?

>>212404286
These guys spend their lives blaming all their failures on rich, supposedly less talented people getting everything handed to them through wealth and nepotism, but then they turn around and worship Conan who is literally a spoiled nepobaby from an elite Boston family who went to Harvard and got his first big breaks through those connections.

Maybe don’t idolize someone who embodies exactly the thing you claim ruined your life.

>>212404213
Why? What you posted is true. I'm only going to respond if you ask a question or you get something wrong. You suggested I'd thought Dave didn't hire Ferguson when I meant Colbert. Worldwide Pants also hired Kilborn but Dave nor Peter wanted him. But after Dave left he had no say over who replaced him. I don't know what response you want.

>>212404342


You could argue that guys like Nick Mullen or Sam Hyde “won” more than Leno too, because they have their little cults of internet fans who think they’re edgy geniuses and worship everything they say. But nobody seriously believes that makes them more successful or influential in any real sense.

At some point, reaching a massive audience consistently is an accomplishment, even if you think the material is basic. You don’t get to pretend that being niche automatically means you’re better. Sometimes it just means you couldn’t connect with most people.

>>212404342
Letterman and Seinfeld were incredibly successful. Conan shat the bed.

>>212404397
Nick won

>>212404457
me on the left


t. 5'4"

Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of assholes. That late night thread the other day reminded me of the fight between Leno and Conan for the tonight show. I read a few articles from the time and some of the BTS made me realize these people (the suits) deserve everything happening to them now

>>212404286
I don't think in absolutes but I'm matching your level of it. You say Jay is this standup guy and twice you've invoked Conan's education. You started down that road and I beat you over the head with the other side of it. Jay's entire audience isn't trailer trash and blue collar morons any more than Conan's entire fanbase is awkward 'beta' dorks. I don't need to convince myself I'm smarter than everyone else, but when I'm on this website it's easily proven. I mentioned in an earlier post that I want people smarter than me running the world, so obviously I'm not superior to everyone. Just the types of people who would vote for a W Bush or a Trump.
I'm not impressed by fancy colleges. And now you're on strike three with the Ivy League mentions. Why is that such a thing for you? It doesn't factor into why people think he's funny.
But you're right that I'm Gen X and a misunderstood genius. I assure you I've tested higher than you in academics. But you're probably better at climbing telephone poles or offering fries with that.

>>212404521
Maybe you really have tested high in academics. I doubt it, because this is 4chan and your writing is pretty sloppy. But even if it’s true, that probably explains a lot of your bitterness. It’s the same vibe you get from a lot of Conan fans: dorky, self-proclaimed geniuses who are too awkward, weak, or mentally unstable to have any real social success.

It must be frustrating to feel like you’re intellectually superior to everyone but still end up lonely and resentful.

>>212404345
lol, yeah they're worse because they believe the lie. The Republican candidates are never as chaste or religious or conservative or "family oriented" as they sell themselves as. They always get caught in huge lies. But that works out perfectly because the people who vote GOP don't care about facts. So it's a perfect symbiosis where repubs lie, they get elected anyway, the lies are exposed, the voters reject the information as 'fake', and the elected official keeps lying.
Both sides are pretty bad at living up to campaign promises, but the GOP never even intends to. Their whole game is lies and throwing mud. The system is too broken now to fix. I'll keep trying to vote against fascism and ceding more power and money to the 1%, but too many people are brainwashed and working against themselves or not paying attention. The two party system is fucked but more importantly too much of society's trust is gone. Too many people don't believe anything now. They'll believe what "feels" right. And they're too dumb to make that choice now.

>>212402959
fukn lol
>*draws cigarette*
>how can there be justice in this world when innocent men languish in prison while conan o'brien is walking around a free man right now

>>212404397
Not the same argument at all. Dave and Jay will likely be seen mostly as equals. Dave was on the air longer and had critical support while Jay had higher ratings but among a less-important, less sophisticated demographic. Nick Mullen and Sam Hyde are not even in the same "history book". Dave and Jay's is leather bound paper and those dudes are digitally recorded in history. The media landscape is so different it'd make a zoomer's head explode. Those dudes will NEVER have audiences like network TV. I'll bet you even though there may be dozens of fucking 'Fish Tank' threads in this corner of this sewer on the internet, I couldn't find a single adult in my entire town who knows what that "show" is.
And yet even if they may say "literally who?", I know for a fact the names Leno, Letterman, and Conan are all familiar to the average zoomer just through cultural osmosis.

>>212403653
Writing was on the wall when masturbating bear became self-pleasuring panda
He didn't understand the new audience

>>212403819

>>212401566 (OP)
Well, the problem with your theory is that Conan is actually funny and clever, Unlike Jay.

>>212403906
Easy to forget how awful late night TV was
This is actually a relatively good interview

>>212404024
I thought Leno's ratings were fine?

>>212404823
Jay was based and racist, no wonder the sois hate him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK1aVTyCds

>>212404585
It's peaks and valleys really. Sometimes I'm a little lonely, and there are things I'm resentful about, but I'm mostly happy and I've yet to become bitter. These threads are fun to post in. They make me laugh to read what people post and respond to it. I only come here when I'm high. So if my writing isn't as good as something I'd submit for publication, it's because I don't really give a shit. It's just shitposting in the middle of the night between bong hits. I don't know why you see negativity in my posts. I'm smiling as I compile them because I enjoy the opportunity to shit on people I hate politically. You aren't a real person to me. You just represent the really dumb person that gets interviewed at a Trump rally and can't justify his actions. Or someone who would not know the nations capitol on Jaywalking. You're just a stereotype to punch. Just as I am to you. But the actual argument brings me joy, not anger. Maybe it's the same for you. I can't be sure.
But I'll always feel above most people here if only because I graduated and went to college, I've had sex and relationships and great jobs, and I have a fulfilling social life. I don't come on here when I'm absolutely on top of the world because I'm too busy. But in this brief valley of responsibility I'm enjoying my time here.
Like when you watch trash TV shows because the people are trainwrecks and make your life shine in comparison? That's what posting on 4chan is for me. Always gives me the boost I need to take on the world. You know how easy it is asking women out after I spend an hour browsing /r9k/? LOL
4chan is a tool.

Are these trailer trash cocksuckers pretending Leno is some kind of magatroon now? What do they eat to end up like this, horse paste?

>>212404905
That's a STATEMENT!!! Not a question!!

I'd like to remind everyone that no matter our political affiliations we're all free speech absolutist brothers because we choose 4chan over censorship. You can pick all the fights you want but in a way we're all on the same team. The only people I don't feel a kinship with are those who truly hate. And since most people pretending to be hardcore are just trolls anyway I'll give you all the benefit of the doubt.

>>212404905
They were when he was on at 1130

2004-2008 Conan was absolutely on fire with the young people and they desperately wanted to secure him for the next generation of late night. But Jay stayed popular and Conan was itchy to leave NBC for some big show because his time had come and he put in his 17 years at 12;30 and he had offers. A dilly of a pickle Ned Flanders would say.

>>212404099
Conan and Leno both won and both made bank.

NBC was the only real loser, who lost a ton of money and reputation, and ended up getting stuck with Fallon.

>>212401672

Leno was a pedophile and he beat his wife too.

Don't compare the legend that is Conan to this.

>>212401566 (OP)
Conan has a really annoying tryhard quality and seems like a zany spastic annoying retard, could never understand the appeal. Leno was more just a corny guy boomers laughed at, not my thing either. Letterman was the only good one because he was a cranky bastard who never tried to please anyone

>>212405176
haha

Ultimately this.

>>212405235
Fuck off. Leno was broad and not clever, but he's an alright guy. He'd never strike Mavis.

>>212401566 (OP)
Go on youtube and you can find hundreds of hours of clips from Conan and Letterman. Try to find anything of Leno, I'll wait. In over 20 years of doing that show, Leno did not do a single piece of original or inventive comedy worth remembering and archiving for future peoples to watch.

>>212407370
The only bit anyone remembers from Leno is Headlines, which he stole from Letterman.

>>212404913
Are you pretending Jay Leno is a conservative now? What the fuck went wrong with your agency, Arjun? Your campaigns used to make sense, you street-shitting menace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mkljMbnr4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R07ZoGVuEb0
I enjoy the contrast in these two videos

>>212401566 (OP)

the only funny show like this was the colbert report. people only watched late night shows because there was nothing else on. hell i used to watch the NEWS at night just because its on tv. people forget what it was like before you could watch literally anything you wanted at literally any time

dave always seemed really weird and creepy, jay was comfy, and conan had "better" interviews because they were less structured and weirdo and he got guys like norm on

all late night sucks but im convinced colbert must have been taken over by a demon or always was one with what happened. dude as great at edgy comedy as norm and as bad at interviews as a cat off the street and had his own show where he was the shit and could do absolutely anything he wanted went to do "safe" clapter laughter that focused on interviews and shouting leftist political talking points...

>>212401566 (OP)
Should have just stayed retarded goofy late night man
He was one of the last holdouts of the old era of talk show hosts that weren't political activists until he went to Hatti and shit to own da chuds

>>212408272
Colbert was always political

>>212409183
it went from jokes to clapter. when people are complaining about political "jokes" they mean clapter where they just state a current party approved message and turn on the clap sign

the audience cant even keep it straight, have you seen those colbert clips where they clap at the "wrong" joke or dont clap when they are supposed to after mentioning some political news?

just tell fucking jokes

>>212403653
>Conan should have been given more time to develop the show and win over America
The reality was his dead style of talk show, the Johnny Carson style mostly appealed to boomers and boomers didn't like him and they liked Leno. He had no chance unless he completely reinvented himself to be more like Fallon but then he wouldn't be conan anymore

>>212409183
He was actually funny on Daily Show and Colbert Report though
He's not funny as propaganda minister at CBS

>>212408272
It amazes me how many right leaning retards like you keep saying "Colbert used to be based" not understanding his entire Colbert show was him being a satirical strawman with the intent to belittle and mock you

>>212403593
>He said he'd have wanted a woman for the job
preferably one of the interns he was fucking

>>212409619
it amazes me how many left leaning retards like you keep saying 'you're not allowed to find that funny" not understanding his entire Colbert show was a satiric comedy show with the intent to make you laugh

go ahead and give me a 500 page essay on how Esteban Colberto and his feud with Rain and making fun of super pacs and big pharma mega corps are actually belittling and mocking working class white men and not funny at all

youre literally a low iq retarded nigger who can only "think" in copy and pasted reddit comments and here you are playing the free thinking intellectual tut tutting meaning the poor plebs

>>212409770
>'you're not allowed to find that funny"
Never said that. I am just saying I would never laugh at something designed to undermine me and only a low IQ retard who has to trick himself that Colberts far right shtick is real would do this.

>>212409882
how exactly is making jokes about talking head "news" segments and big pharma and super pacs an insult to me?

ill wait.

besides there is also the fact that he was pulling so many dem representatives and making fun of them the big tiddy kike bitch ordered them to stop going on the show. colbert mad fun of a black female dem from new york i think for not knowing when slavery ended.

>>212409999
Are you white of european descent?

They said brig pharma is mostly eurotrash trying to scam the world out of their money by selling them their own medicine with an euro brand

>>212409999
What's also funny is retards like you are the reason why he has his far left show now on a major network brainwashing even more people. Because you thought his anti right wing shtick was "based".

>how exactly is making jokes about talking head "news" segments and big pharma and super pacs an insult to me?

Every "joke" he made was from the point of view of a far right negative stereotype caricature. He wasn't mocking anyone on the right just filling an extreme negative stereotype. How are you too dumb to understand this?

Conan's late night shows are pretty much identical to his soi contemporaries. So many contrarians think they are based for liking him over the others, but they are about 80% similar and terrible normie humour. Conan is just slightly wittier and self deprecating. Its like people who think Seinfeld is somehow leagues better than Friends despite being very similar. Redditcore to the max.

>>212409355
>have you seen those colbert clips where they clap at the "wrong" joke or dont clap when they are supposed to after mentioning some political news?
link?

>>212410067
>Every "joke" he made was from the point of view of a far right negative stereotype caricature. He wasn't mocking anyone on the right just filling an extreme negative stereotype. How are you too dumb to understand this?

youre literally a retarded nigger anon. i really cant state that enough

"the right" was never pro big pharma. it was never pro super pacs. during the times it was pro-war, so was the left, even more so actually. do you think working class white men are sitting around supporting any of that ever? ive seen almost every colbert report show and even if you stripped the joke away (again, the actual point of the show) colbert never made a comment that i would have personally disagreed with or found insulting that i remember. saying the colbert as a person would have isnt what im talking about and has nothing to do with how funny the show was/is.

youre just an hysterical tranny whos drowning so much in the cool aide you dont realize how ridiculous and retarded you are

>>212410196
go look it up although it may have been removed. he asks a female nigger what she would do if she was in 1850s new york and she said she would be a slave. then he does that deadpan look and asks why she would be a slave decades after it ended. she stairs at the camera and he does the "lets move on i see this is troubling you" line. if youve ever seen any of his "better know a district" you would understand the formatting and jokes/editing he uses

>>212410311
If you entire argument now is going to hinge on some random vague pharama joke he made one time you are going to have to actually post what you are referring to you low IQ retard

re**it: the thread
Late night was at least somewhat funny, like 2 fucking decades ago. Arguing over who is less gay now is like arguing over which faggot has less HIV

>>212410132
Confirmed underage

>>212410358
>ive seen almost every colbert report show and even if you stripped the joke away (again, the actual point of the show) colbert never made a comment that i would have personally disagreed with or found insulting that i remember.

>no thats wrong

this is unironically your argument

>>212410471
>no...n..noooo he is based!
>he made this one anti pharmaceutical joke one time!
>can I see it?
>no
retard

>>212410556
Not that anon, but Colbert used to fall more in line with Jon Stewart and there was a point in time where they just wanted people to stop ramping up the rhetoric and calling each other Hitler. They had actual rallies for this cause. Somewhere along the long they lost that.

>>212410556
>admitting you literally dont know what youre talking about and havent watched the show youre arguing over

this is where im going to end it and accept your concession. have a good day nigger retard and know that everyone you talk to sees how stupid you are, they are just too nice and adverse to drama to tell you

Why did Howard Stern hate Leno?

>>212402630
I hate him

>>212410638
This is nonsense considering Colbert is single handily the cause of why you can't have a civil discourse anymore with leftists. Stewart would spit out the most retarded far left shit and hide behind "I am just a comedy show preceded by a prank puppet show" as he actively tried to get people fired like Tucker and Jim Cramer.

>>212410642
>you don't know this one random joke I am referring to from 15 years ago that I won't share therefore you lose
You are really retarded. No wonder you fell for his shtick . Run away now you low IQ retard.

>>212410754
Probably got in a fight over who was the bigger hack

>>212409355
>>212409576
Perhaps
But perhaps also it was twenty years ago and you weren't fully redpilled

>>212410754
he stole stuttering john

>>212411329
you dont have to be """red pilled""" to think that super pacs, and big pharma worship, and reality tv tier news was all retarded and those were his big subjects

>>212409619
>>212409882
>>212410044
>>212410067
you were the crying lefits trying to cancel the comedy show on comedy central for being offensive while youre here now saying shit like this unironically

>It amazes me how many right leaning retards like you keep saying "Colbert used to be based" not understanding his entire Colbert show was him being a satirical strawman with the intent to belittle and mock you

>It amazes me how many right leaning retards like you keep saying "Colbert used to be based" not understanding his entire Colbert show was him being a satirical strawman with the intent to belittle and mock you

colbert used to face calls for canceling all the time

https://youtu.be/MBPgXjkfBXM?si=J2Mp3O95kzvyJJcp

here is is calling "the left" anti-intellectual hysterical retarded niggers

>>212401566 (OP)
They were both the victims of a changing media landscape
Podcasts were coming into their own as the prime medium people consumed their light-hearted interviews, the 2009 Writers Strike bodied the industry and wrecked late night shows who were largely obliged to go on without writers for months, the youth demographic that traditionally made up the core of late night audiences had been chipped away for decades over Videos, Cable and finally Youtube/Streaming. But the strike and the changing mediums ultimately led to the birth of Hulu, the eventual streaming wars and overall Millennials exit from the TV market and Zoomers complete not-existence in it.
Leno and Letterman had largely "aged with their audience" while never gaining too many Gen Xers and Millennials they kept the baby boomers that started watching them in the 80s and got enough young people to justify being around.
Now the late night shows are split between the Stephen Colbert style of trying to get a good trending meme that goes viral for CBS's respective media channels while getting old Daily Show viewers.
More traditional model of being a host who can pull off a few jokes while giving insightful enough 7 minute interviews and introducing a band to play their latest single.
So ironically to the thread, NBC ultimately conceded back to the traditional unoffensive guy who plays in Peoria model and CBS went to the "lets get the snarky millennials who want memes at midnight" model

>>212411329
>unprompted reddit words and acknowledgement of how aggressively jewish talmudvision has become
checks out
if your faggot theory was correct then why do I still find the old Colbert Report and Daily Show clips funny?

>>212411881
I lean right retard. I am attacking you and the other anon for supporting someone that was mocking you and because of you retards he has a bigger platform now

>>212401672
>who beat dyslexia
Dyslexia isn't real.

>>212412127
he wasnt mocking me on anything that i watched although i stopped watch a few years before he went off air. see >>212410471

youre retarded mr "lean right". you and your like are just the rightoid version of pic related

>>212412276
>i'm leaving the thread
>comes back
kek absolutely 0 self control

>>212411881
>https://youtu.be/MBPgXjkfBXM?si=J2Mp3O95kzvyJJcp
fuck, Colbert use to be so good. His Bush roast was excellent as well
Turns out when 75% of your writing staff has to be non white men your comedy fucking sucks

>>212412581
to not be*

>>212401672
I like both but you make a pretty good argument

>>212412581
>>212412609
keep in mind too that clip is from near the end of his show and it was getting worse the entire time basically. it was honestly a really great show and one of the only things i ever went out of my way to watch at the time

hes such a shit head now that people forget but also CC seems to have basically scrubbed the entire show from existence for wrong think or something so its really hard to find clips

and even though his interviews sucked dick, his edited interviews were great. watch his Maurice Sendak one. very funny and cool despite it being about a gay jew lusting over little boys

>>212412276

>he's still mad about me over 2 hours later

>>212412780
>but also CC seems to have basically >scrubbed the entire show from existence for wrong think or something so its really hard to find clips
get use to more and more of this bullshit so just like in this thread faggots can just say you have to be radicalized to understand comedy simply isn't good anymore and it once was, very recently

>>212412780
They took down the entire comedy central website about a year ago btw
So it's really hard to find a bunch of clips from any of their good shows they use to make, just youtube uploads mostly that will get copy wrote struck if (((they))) don't want them up

>>212401566 (OP)
Jay was more popular, CBS is a business, and Conan was a retard for believing comedians should have honor or whatever such nonsense.

>>212401672
The noble savage view of normies is one of the most fascinating developments of online culture.

>>212403852
ouch.

>>212403509
>and the hip intellectuals like Dave and Conan?
Conan was literally for lelddit dork types. I say this as a fan of Conan.

>>212401672
based bait bro

>>212413799

> Leno
> Conan
> CBS

Anon...

>>212410196
Look up him chastising his audience when they cheered about James Comey being fired.

>>212401672
It’s great that fate fucked Conan’s ass so hard and he lost the tonight show and then his own show.

The real problem here is that the "old people" at the time weren't boomers but a bunch of lead poisoned Silent Generation retards.

>>212415865
>Silent Generation
Leaded gasoline was a thing up until the 90s.

>>212403509
And you wonder why you're so alienated. Nobody values your self-obsessed narcissistic worldview

>>212413295

>>212401733
The strange and absurd sketches were conans bread and butter.

The fuck is up with samefags arguing with themselves in this thread?

Jesus I did not expect this many different takes and arguing after all these years lmao

Considering Conan single handedly destroyed Final Fantasy XV he will always have my respect

>>212403593
If we're being honest the format should've died after Carson retired

>>212404655
Fuck off, you and the rest of the left are just as moronic and self destructive as people on the right. Godawful truth is both sides have failed us and the republic. The people are no longer capable of being educated or civilized enough for political topics. Your blind belief that the right is unwittingly destroying America is just as applicable to the left, and you flat-out refuse to acknowledge it. You claim to be against what you believe is fascism, yet you support and assist in installing a similar form of it.

>>212401672
This poster is probably the same guy that has been crying about his bad experience meeting Conan for years.

>>212401566 (OP)
Conan was the best simply because he had the best skits. All talk show interviews suck unless the interview is a trainwreck or the guest is a professional comedian. Ferguson is the most overrated, at least by one retard here.
You look up Conan skits online and you can find tons of great absurdist sketches from over the years. You look up Ferguson and it is just him talking to a corny robot-skeleton named Geoff. That was the only thing he could come up with in like 8 years on the air. Lol. (That or the clips are from "pick-up artist" channels for incels who think watching Ferguson interview D-list actresses is going to teach them how to talk to women.) Even Kilborn had "5 Questions", "Moment for Us," "Dance, Dance, Dance," and "Your Moment of Zen."

>>212401715
Tina Fey even said the original Late Night slot was filled by Lorne Michaels just looking around the studio. It’s not like there was some massive search and audition process. Conan was just there.

>>212418463
It's almost certainly bait.

>>212418659
Kilborn is extremely underrated. That was a great show.

>>212418335
Kek I forgot about that

Conan is such a fag

>>212418659
Those pick up artists videos that use celebrities or movies are so stupid. Yes see here in this controlled environment where the subject is scripted to come off as a likable person. Thats how charisma works!

>>212401672
>>212401787
WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE BILLION DOLLAR PROPAGANDA CHURNING CORPORATIONS?! THEY'RE DEFENSELESS AND BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF!

Conan was fucked over by NBC because they give him the tonight show AND put Leno at 10 in the slot right before him virtually killing his ratings.

>get bad ratings
>get replaced
>replacement gets better ratings
whoa Conan really got screwed!

>>212419280

So, no one is allowed to have a show on before Conan. On any network.

Any more requirements this no talent needs to get actual ratings?

>>212401566 (OP)
go away Jay

>>212401858
>>212403852
This isn’t necessarily the gotcha you think it is. People here act like having children is the be all end all but I’m. Not sure what’s worse, being childless, or having children who hate you. Do have any idea how many dysfunctional families are in Hollywood? Do you really believe these people have healthy families? I seriously doubt most do. He’ll, Gene Hackmans kids hadn’t talked to him in months.

I’ll be totally real and vulnerable here and I’m sure any possible responses will be supportive and meme free. My wife and I are 46. Never had kids because we had to spend the first fifteen years of marriage in complete dysfunction and alcoholism because our parents had no business raising children. We suffered horrible abuse that made us abusive people. We have processed the trauma and come out of it knowing who we are and what we want.

We desperately want children and hopefully we can get to place financially to adopt. It hurts to see young couples with kids. What would hurt more is if we had kids and fucked them up, forcing them to suffer as we suffered.

Way too many people think having a family will fix them. It doesn't.

Thanks for reading my blog.

>>212418933
The motherfucker lives in LA. Have you ever been there? Most of the time it's nothing but a sea of beaners, far as the eye can see.

>>212418659

> Conan was the best simply because he had the best skits!

If he's so great, why don't people watch him? What's the excuse?

>>212401566 (OP)

He’s a fucking dick to wait staff.

If someone says hi to his wife because they know each other, he’ll complain to management and get the server fired.

All you need to know

>>212419633
Maybe he should visit literally any other part of the country.

>Conan is still trying to make in in showbusiness with lame travel shows
>Leno spends his time fixing up old cars for fun
>Leno still making more money than Conan
KWAB

>>212419855
>Conan is still trying to make it in showbusiness
kek, gr8 b8 m8

>>212401566 (OP)
haiti or india

Conan and Ferguson were both late shows with humor that ranged outside the earlier slot--"quirky", weird, gross, etc.

IMO, Ferguson would have been able to transition to the earlier slot as his quick wit, facile interview skill (and let's not underestimate accent!) remained even without Geoff and the ironic homoerotic overtones.

Conan is also funny, very funny IMO, but couldn't really be the everyman that a Leno replacement needed to be.

However, 60 minutes of vomiting Kermit is easier to stomach than Fallon, so who really made the right choices here?

>>212403593
What is the beard-era Letterman equivalent of
>Y-You like Arliss?