as the kids would say, this show is definition of 'aura moments' that have 0 impact because the writing is garbage

well im not a kid so i dont know what the FUCK you're talking about

>>212410547
it's when a show/movie tries to seem good by giving its characters their designated coolness moments and hype moments with all the music and camera angles that come with it, but the storytelling underneath that is shallow and shit so the moments have 0 impact as long as your iq is above 60

>>212410547
It's all shell no substance
>t. Grew up in retard immersion (earth) so I speak the language

>>212410509 (OP)
bumop

>wHaT iF rHaEnYs CaMe ThRoUgH tHe FlOoR oN a DrAgOn?!
>wHaT iF rHaEnYrA aNd MySaRiA kIsSeD oUt Of NoWhErE?!
>wHaT iF rHaEnYrA aNd AlLiCeNt MaDe Up AnD rAn OfF tO eSsOs?!

>>212410509 (OP)
I thought the first episode was kino but other than that pure fucking housewifecore

>>212411731
Ohh that's why it's so terrible
It's a woman who wrote it

>>212411782
>a lesbian
Even worse

>KING Aegon
>QUEEN MOTHER Alicent
>QUEEN Helaena was beloved by the smallfolk
>...miss Rhaenyra was not (beloved)
What's his problem? Why is he such a chud?

>>212412157
he has condal fatigue

>>212411813
Isn't her saying that supposed to be dramatic irony?

>>212413124
no
the show is so weirdly deaf about its ironies and hypocrisies that it unironically thinks rhaenys is truly some honorable pacifist

>>212410509 (OP)
What would you have them do?

>>212410509 (OP)
all I remember from season 2 was that there were some mopey karens and more blacks with hilarious white wigs

it's amazing what a fart in the wind it was

>>212410509 (OP)
I can't be the only one that never gave it a chance because the absolutely ridiculous blacks with white/platinum hair.

>>212410629
the coalburner grandma riding her dragon around king's landing but not killing anyone is the first moment i remember from hotd that's peak that

>>212413263
it doesn't matter anyway because like 90% of them are dead by the end of the first season

>>212410509 (OP)
It could have been better had it not bent the knee.

>>212410509 (OP)
Remember when good television existed

>>212410629
So it's basically WWE

>>212413983
WWE knows it's full of shit, that's the difference. and (most of) its audience understands it
HOTD doesn't even know it's full of shit and labours under the delusion of being artsy and sophisticated, 0 self awareness

>>212410629
well that pretty much sums up Hollywood for the last 15 years

>>212410509 (OP)
This show taught me that female writers should have their thumbs cut off and tongues removed

>>212414557
female writers don't understand fantasy or heroism, they look at characters like Luke Skywalker and write Rey.

>>212411731
>Sara Hess
>Looks like a chicano
Holy mystery meat, Americans explain yourself.

>>212410509 (OP)
Basically this show was designed to be a series of "viral moments"into appeal to speed watchers and the writing in-between is madlibs tier because HBO doesn't expect anyone to pay attention.

Modern TV bad because it is made to appeal to a global audience, not just the average 100 IQ Anglophone normie in the developed world. A huge portion of House of the Dragon's audience lives in shitholes like Brazil and India. TV is made for the "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast today" crowd who barely speaks English and has trouble with long term memory. What they do like is big flashy CGi explosions and yass kween girlboss moments. They don't care about things like consistency in characters or multi season arcs that flow in a pleasing, literary way. Face it HBO is made for 80 IQers now. It's not for you. This is the end result of globalisation. The only reason people here get the impression that HotD is failing and HBO is going .to fire Condal is because they probably live in an educated bubble in America.

....semoc eH

>Sir, Alicent and Rhaenyra have magically rendezvoused together for a second time.

>show about women and medieval feminism and the evils of patriarchy and male violence
>even normies consider the women boring and annoying, while the male characters are actually interesting
you can't make this up

buzmp

>>212410509 (OP)
It is worth at least giving a chance? I ended up disappointed by S8 Game of Thrones and don't want to waste next 10 hours

>>212411731
That thing is a woman?

>>212411731
mess and condom

>>212410509 (OP)
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THEM DO?

>>212418362
Cole is the only reason worth watching season 2

>>212419616
lol, no. This shit fell apart during the first season. at least GoT had 40 decent episodes before it went downhill.

>>212418362
>feminist show
>all women are passive, innocent, delicate flowers, who are only victims of their circumstance, they faint at the mere thought of violence
Somehow this is worse than late stage GoT girlboss feminism. At least those bitches were doing things, even if they all had the same personality by the end.

>>212421292
Well that escalated quickly...
Were it strong, independent women themes or smth else ?

>>212421515
it's just boring as shit, the writing is terrible, and almost all of the characters are either highly unlikable or unmemorable

>>212411731
what race is this?

>>212421259
>>212416094
I know it's a meme and overused but in Season1 Viserys says this and Rhaenyra hears it so it's kind of a call back on how indecisive Viserys is.

It's still hack writing since it's in every episode of season 2 and Rhaenyra isn't indecisive like Viserys since she actually started a war.

Game Of Thrones hooked me in the very first episode and I watched all the way to the end. By the end of the first episode of House Of The Dragon I was done and never watched another.

>>212421515
It's the same nonsensical writing that GoT had issues with towards the end. Things happen, and then immediately get forgotten about with no consequences. Characters are teleporting all over the place. KL is starving due to naval blockade even though all the roads are fucking fine. Dumb shit like that. The attempt at feminism is just the cherry on the cake. And I say attempt, because it seems like it came out of Victorian era. Literally every woman is just hand wringing about how bad war is while being bossed around by evil men and doing absolutely nothing to advance the plot. Also, the show is incredibly boring, which is probably its greatest sin. Like 60% of the dialogue is just same scene getting regurgitated over and over again with no end in sight.

>>212410509 (OP)
>aura moments
It barely even has those either.

>>212421682
>isn't indecisive like Viserys since she actually started a war
And then risks her life to try to end it?

>>212421924
That whole last episode was bananas and I blank it out. In the book she didn't do that. It flows better in the book because they aren't stalling for time.

>>212421682
It's genuinely sad that we'll never get to see the bratty womanchild Nyra or the conniving, sharped tongued Alicent.

>>212422000
I just can’t stomach any defense of Rhaenyra, every other character and plot has suffered due to the unwillingness of the writers to make it seem like they are portraying her in any negative light or capable of any wrongdoing. Ironic, since their hamfisted writing has only made all women in the show look ineffective and incompetent.

>>212422093
>>212422146
I agree and I also think they fucked the show bigtime by not allowing the greens to be nuanced since they swung the show to be Rhaenyra's. With Aegon's actor realising there wasn't a single scene where he and Helana (his wife) are together...that's really incompetent stuff and bad writing. I feel bad for the actors, everything looks mostly okay (bad white wigs aside) but the writing is shockingly bad.

>>212422283
>Helaena
Oh god, don't remind me.
>babies die all the time, lmao
I know that she was barely a character in the books, but somehow the show did her dirtier.

>>212411731
She also gave Larys a foot fetish

>>212421593
American

Daemon is the only character that has true aura moments and he just so happens to be a woman-beating child-rapist

>>212423292
>Daemon is the only character that has true aura moments
pic related

>>212421593
Hapa
White father and chink mother

>>212423292
Cole incel aura is unmatched, funny how they tried so hard to chudcode Cole and he still manages to fuck both main characters kek

Oh my sweet summer child, what do you know about bad writing?

Bad writing is for the final episodes, when the characters are deep into their arcs. Bad writing is for the final season, when GRRM hides for years and years, and plot holes are born and live and die all in the HBO offices. That is the time of bad writing, my little anon, when Lord Hess and Lady Condal reign supreme.

Several years ago there came a show that enthralled a generation, Game of Thrones. Normies were frozen in front of the TVs in their living rooms, same as the virgins in their basements. Women named their babies Khaleesi, yelled and cheered as she burned brown people alive. In that time, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were unfettered for the first time. They infused the story with teleportation and bad pussy, butchering the source material, writing cock jokes with their idea crayons in the left hand while holding their dicks with the right...

>without you i'm a silhouette

>>212411731
Women writers ruining HotD, Witcher and Wheel of Time adaptations created by men.

>>212410509 (OP)
It's truly over for GOT-derived media.

They had such a great story outline with the Dance of the Dragons, the whole plot outline already written in Fire and Blood, with great characters on both sides, great battles and memorable moments, enough ambiguity that you don't know who you are meant to root fot, and a kino ending, yet they somehow managed to fuck it up. Again.

Nobody will give this franchise a third chance. It's over.

>>212425312
WoT's failure isn't solely the fault of women, the showrunner, Rafe Judkins, basically decided to dumpster the whole thing before it even began.

>>212425605
I have faith in shota supremacy

>>212410509 (OP)
i swear I was promised we would get the new season this summer but now its delayed to next summer. what the fuck man

>>212425766
QRD?

the shows not that bad they just need to switch direction and stop focusing on the women so much because no one cares about their emotional trauma or whatever point the writer is trying to make.

I was extremely positively surprised by the quality of this show. The costume design is orders of magnitude better than GoT. The dialogue is much better than anything from GoT season 3 and onwards.

Very good series, have watched twice, can't wait until season 3 comes out.

>>212428886
just to clarify, the nigger velaryons is fucking stupid though. but i stand by everything i just said.

TAOOBA

>>212426941
>>212428886
Shill pls, S2 was so bad it is unsalvageable.

I actually liked S1 but this is already a trainwreck.
They butchered all the characters and the plot makes zero sense.

>>212423863
When he killed the crab feeder and choked Rhaenyra, those were true aura moments

>>212429353
what exactly doesn't make sense? i am genuniely impressed by s2 hotd. i think it's leagues and leagues better than got. i have read the main asoiaf series but not fire and blood, so please no spoilers.

>>212429489
Without spoiling anything, just talking about what has already happened in the show, they completely butchered the

Greens:
Alicent is religious and less of a hypocrite in the book. Her motivation is her kids.
Show Alicent meeting with Rhaenyra and that whole peace offer bullshit never happened.
She is also less of a victim as she is portrayed on the show, and has more agency.

Aegon is not some drunkard kid that likes to father bastards everywhere and see them on the fighting pits. He actually cares about his brothers and sister-wife which is why he accepts the title of King reluctantly. He only gets into drinking heavily after his injuries.

Aemond is still a sociopath tho.

Blacks:
A lot of the evil shit that gets pinned on Daemon is actually at Rhaenyra's instigation.
Rhaenyra is much more irresponsible and reckless in the book. You can tell she has zero idea of what ruling entails, she is more of a spoiled kid that Aegon.

Rhaenys never has the YASSS QUEEN moment at the coronation, which was an extremely stupid addition.

A lot of great characters have been omitted.

Basically the show goes to great lenghts to whitewash Rhaenyra and turn her into the hero, when the book is more nuanced. There is no "good guys" vs "bad guys", the point is that the civil war was destructive and idiotic and destroyed the Targ's standing and power, even though their dynasty limped on for some centuries more.

>>212429489
Without spoiling anything, just talking about what has already happened in the show, they completely butchered the characters and their motivations.

Greens:
Alicent is religious and less of a hypocrite in the book. Her motivation is her kids.
Show Alicent meeting with Rhaenyra and that whole peace offer bullshit never happened.
She is also less of a victim as she is portrayed on the show, and has more agency.

Aegon is not some drunkard kid that likes to father bastards everywhere and see them on the fighting pits. He actually cares about his brothers and sister-wife which is why he accepts the title of King reluctantly. He only gets into drinking heavily after his injuries.

Aemond is still a sociopath tho.

Blacks:
A lot of the evil shit that gets pinned on Daemon is actually at Rhaenyra's instigation.
Rhaenyra is much more irresponsible and reckless in the book. You can tell she has zero idea of what ruling entails, she is more of a spoiled kid that Aegon.

Rhaenys never has the YASSS QUEEN moment at the coronation, which was an extremely stupid addition.

The Velaryons are way less enthused about some bastard taking their seat, Rhaenyra kills a lot of Velaryon heirs to keep them in line.

A lot of great characters have been omitted.

Basically the show goes to great lenghts to whitewash Rhaenyra and turn her into the hero, when the book is more nuanced. There is no "good guys" vs "bad guys", the point is that the civil war was destructive and idiotic and destroyed the Targ's standing and power, even though their dynasty limped on for some centuries more.

>>212429857
Also Book Haelena wasn't mentally-retarded as she is portrayed here, she rides her dragon into battle and is way smarter and more competent.

She's a bit mystical and weird but here they portray her as mentally disabled.

>>212429857
Alright sure I'll admit that the Velaryons not being more outraged was actually insane. They're basically being wiped out in realtime.

I miss /got/hotd/

>>212429489
1. Rhaenyra teleporting to Kings Landing to convince Alicent to stop the war
2. Helaena not giving a molecule of a fuck about how her only son was beheaded right in front of her and immediately forgiving Daemon
3. Alicent and Otto dropping their support for Aegon in a matter of days after spending 20 years conspiring to get him his throne
4. Rhaenyra and all other female characters are simply boring. All Rhaenyra does in season 2 is stand around her council and ask the men what to do while simultaneously crying about how they don’t respect her enough to listen to her suggestions. Helaena only exists to be a fortune teller. Mysaria is Sarah Hess’ self insert. Baela has one action sequence that accomplishes nothing. Rhaena babysits her nephews and fucks off to play Heroin Hero to catch a wild dragon
5. Alicent offers Rhaenyra the heads of all of her sons, even Daeron who hasn’t done anything wrong
6. Coryls spends the entire season standing in the same spot watching his ship being rebuilt just to end the season on a rowboat lol
7. We’re supposed to hate Aegon and Aemond but their villainy makes them the only compelling characters
8. The entire Harrenhal plot line

>>212424133
He has what you might call a Palpatine Effect going for him. That's where you're supposed to dislike the character, but all of the other characters are unintentionally more hateable so the character the writers want you to hate ends up being a fan favorite.

>>212429934
>She's a bit mystical and weird
aemond freaking out a lil in s1 was kino

>>212430023
Just a little longer anon, 2026 will be the year of eternal /got/hotd/dunk/ with Dunk and Egg airing at the beginning of the year and HOTD in the middle of the year.

>>212422283
What was the purpose of making Helaena retarded anyway? So she wouldn’t ride Dreamfyre?

>>212431824
>What was the purpose of making Helaena retarded anyway?
My guess is that they did it to make the Greens look more inbred and creepy, compared to the Daemon-Rhaenyra Uncle-Niece pedocouple, which they whitewashed by making Rhaenyra older and ignoring some of Mushroom's accounts.

Because the showrunners chose to take sides and missed the point of the story.

>>212413508
that shit was retarded

bump

>>212432169
It’s baffling to me that the average normalfag is genuinely shipping incest these days because of Jon and Daenerys and Rhaenyra and Daemon.

Is this dyke producer fanfiction subversion coming back soon or is the board so dead this is all you could think of to bait with

>>212434660
Both

>>212410509 (OP)
a culture running on PR, advertising, fashion, clickbaits will do that.

GRRM is such a fat, whiny sack of shit

>>212410547
Fpbp

>>212421924
Yeah, about that…

>>212434514
>Jon and Daenerys

*Jon and Sansa

>>212421682
Viserys is never indecisive in the book, he is adamant Rhaenyra should have the throne and there's no ambiguity about his feelings. He wants Rhaenyra and only Rhaenyra to succeed him. Alicent makes a powergrab because she realizes Rhaenyra and Daemon are nutjobs that will murder her family, also she has the traditional right of succession on her side and Hightower money.

I hate this show.

>>212435330
I skipped all of Sansa’s chapters

The only reason to watch this crap

>>212425312
>Wheel of Time
Made by a homo.

>>212436807
he zesty af tho

Nuncle

>>212437729
How?

>>212436807
Nah, they ruined Aemond. Aegon, Cole, and maybe even Larys are the only characters left who have an arc.

>>212439304
You think they will nerf Aegon now that he’s so popular?

>>212439883
Probably.

>>212436807
They will kill him off with Gods Eye at the end of season 3.

>>212428886
>The dialogue is much better than anything from GoT season 3 and onwards.
no it's not
the fact they say "mayhaps" instead of perhaps does not make the dialogue seem good. go rewatch the verbal sparring between tyrion and varys, it's light years ahead of anything in house of the dragon

>>212440792
Mayhaps

>dunk and egg having reshoots
uh oh

>>212441641
it sover

>>212441641
>egg's height and voice change scene to scene
It's going to be another mess.

>>212441921
>>212442316
Hopefully it’s just the action scenes.

>>212429934
I love Helaena and she’s the only reason I’m watching this show. Please stop making shit up. She did not ride her dragon to battle. It said she loved flying Dreamfyre and that’s it. She was a sweet woman who was dealt a bad hand in life and everyone loved her. She gave advice trying to sue for peace and that’s it. No need to make things up.

I saw blacks so I never watched it despite being a SOIAF fan from before the show.

>>212442516
Why do you love Helaena so much anyway anon? Is she your dream girl or is it a self insert thing?

>>212442516
Yeah, she loved flying, but she went mad before she got a chance to see any combat. Even so, they could have easily made her a political player and not a retard. She was extremely popular with the small folk, that didn't happen by accident or overnight. And she was involved in writing up acceptable peace terms for Nyra. It would have been so easy to make her an interesting, morally complex character. But no, we got a bug retard who isn't even allowed to be sad over her baby getting his head sawed off, because her being sad would be a bad look for Nyra. I genuinely feel bad for her actress.

>>212442543
No I just like nice targ women who suffered a lot like her and Naerys and rhaella

>>212442643
We really don’t need any more political women. There’s nothing wrong with having Helaena be some lady who wants to sit and do her own stuff with her kids. The problem isn’t that they made her a bug lady. The problem is we don’t get to see her do anything with it. She barely interacts with her children and family besides horrible conversations with Alicent. We don’t need more Baelas or rhaenys’s. Just more lore.

>>212442721
>We really don’t need any more political women
Don't we? Because so far we didn't get a single one in this show. Every woman is just there to say "war bad", mope, and whine about patriarchy. None of them did anything interesting or made much of an attempt to advance their cause.

>>212442774
I should rephrase it. We don’t need women who don’t act like women. Rhaenys is a snobby cunt. Baela thinks she’s badass. Alicent thinks she’s a player. Rhaenyra thinks she doesn’t need a council. Fuck it. Let Helaena be a quiet mom.

>>212430023
this one always makes me chuckle

>>212442825
The way I would envision Heleana is what Alicent pretends to be. She doesn't want to be queen, but she feels like she has to in order to protect her kids. Philanthropy and piety come naturally to her, but in doing those things she inadvertently builds a support base for the greens. She is defined by her love for her family, having a deep understanding of her mother and brothers, but those relationships all fracture once Jaehaerys is killed due to their actions. Shit like that.

>fandom largely mocks the fat man for never finishing
>theory youtubers have all given up on George
>Preston is making a fan-fiction collaboration while releasing videos about when George will finish Winds It's never, George hasn't written anything since Covid Preston's research shows.

>>212442913
Also, I'd have her drag Joffrey off the balcony with her after Maelor's death.
>A debt is owed, a son for a son
Mainly because Joffrey's actual death is just funny.

The show kinda sucks

And I don't get why they try to force Otto as a villain when he's consistently the only correct person and the only one who seems to actually give a damn

>>212442972
There is no way they are doing it that way in the show. He will fall out of the saddle and Syrax’s will heroically fly down to help him only to be killed by the small folk.

>>212411813
REMINDER BOBBY B WON

>>212443637
I doubt they'll go the book route either, he's too young. They'll probably kill him with Jace.

>>212410509 (OP)

>wont show maelor but we’ll show kids in a flashback
lol.

>history will paint you as an ambitious fierce matriarch who started a war against incestuous Targ supremacists, instead of the feckless emotionally incontinent closeted lesbian who signed the death warrant of her entire family
oh no poor Alicent

>>212410509 (OP)
The first season had a lot of promise, because you thought it was leading up to something that the next season was going to pay off, but then the next season was just endless rich niggas sitting around castles complaining about other rich niggas. It was boring as shit, and the second it felt like it was about to get interesting, they pull the fucking plug, and say “see you in 2-3 years”.

Nah, not this guy. It was a small miracle that they were able to win back the amount of people they did in the first season, following the disastrous GoT final couple of seasons, but then they turned around and pissed it away again.

>>212423863

>>212436318
You missed out on pubescent breast growth.

>>212444079
>Me telling my daughter that the high school football team will never win state

>>212444435
Where’s the rest of them?

>Otto’s actor shaved his beard off and they aren’t even halfway done filming.
It’s Ottover for us Ottobros.

>>212444435
he looks like hugh

>>212424812
Kek

>>212424812
this should be the eternal /got/ OP

>>212424812
>Women named their babies Khaleesi, yelled and cheered as she burned brown people alive. In that time, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were unfettered for the first time. They infused the story with teleportation and bad pussy, butchering the source material, writing cock jokes with their idea crayons in the left hand while holding their dicks with the right

>>212444166
I'm still angry they changed the iron throne's design and STILL got it wrong. Just fucking Google some fan art, how hard is it?

>>212424812
>Women named their babies Khaleesi, yelled and cheered as she burned brown people alive
those were the days

going back to Bobby B, isn't his "assassination" convoluted as shit?
We're lead to believe that Cersei encouraged Lancel to keep feeding him wine and that's why he got gored by the BOOAAAR but this is hardly a airtight plan, especially since Cersei needed him to die asap. Nevermind the fact that Bobby was on the booze 24/7 and he didn't even need Lancel to serve him

>>212448396
its actually a hallmark of the Lannister conspiracy that Cersei's plots are sloppy and often ad hoc

>>212442530
there are blacks in the source material. Especially in Summer Island and Essos. Youre just illiterate

>>212448584
it just seems very low effort for her. She should've been extremely scared of getting discovered and yet she goes "naaaah the boar will take care of it". I'm not even sure if you could prove her guilty in court for that, it's not like she tricked Bobby B into getting drunk, the guy is always drunk and always has someone fetching him his wine, Cersei or not

>>212410509 (OP)
This show is bad, but better than GOT.
It benefits a lot from sticking from a clear plan and not bandying about waiting on an ending that won't ever be written.
More focused as well.
On the downside I find all the Valyrians other than the Boat Valyrans incredibly boring. Fucking dragons this dragons that kill me now

>>212411782
after contributing some of the worst parts to s1, she was raised to showrunner status and given more control in s2. she also openly showed disdain to the few elements people actually liked in s1, on twitter.
on top of that, she made s1 a lazy metaphor for female democrats (rhaenyra) vs female Trump supporters (alicent), a setup invented entirely for the show and for which there is no basis fir comparison in the source material, and yet a setup which she promptly abandoned in s2, destroying what little, sloppy character “depth” they had. abd the a abandonment wasn’t an improvement, it went from braindead modern discourse with at least some consistency of character choices to what the op points out, meaningless grandstand moments that make no sense and go nowhere.
probably ChatGPT could have produced something that made more sense than whatever happened in s2.

>>212448695
that's kind of her problem is that she's eager but also wants multiple layers of deniability, so her schemes aren't as clever as she thinks and really rely a lot on luck

there was a really good writeup about it on racefortheironethrone

>>212413508
and they weren’t even able to properly defend the decision on social media, just glossing over the hundreds who probably died and the pointlessness of the scene lol
the timing of the scene and camera angles made a lot of people laugh given that it looked exactly how telenovelas do. usually you’re supposed to dress up your soap operas and try to disguise it as something more elevated. couldn’t even manage that lol

>>212410509 (OP)
Game of Thrones had the biggest fall from grace of all franchises

>>212421883
> And I say attempt, because it seems like it came out of Victorian era.
here’s the kicker, not even Victorian era women were like this. it’s a made up oersoectuve by TikTok femcel culture that probably never read a single historical book that wasn’t Philippa gregory slop.

>>212428886
hate that low effort b8 like this gets rewarded now.

>>212448871
oh man I just remembered it was Joffrey who sent the assassin to kill Bran. Cersei isn't even trying to safeguard her interests

>>212437648
yet it was leagues above HOTD by the end, and allowed male and female characters both a shred of nobility and dignity.
don’t get me wrong, it’s all slop, but wot managed to be better.

>>212441921
it was never even a possibility

>>212449170
I can't remember if it's just something Tywin says in the show, but I remember AFFC pretty solidly establishes that Cersei sucks as a schemer and isn't as smart as she thinks she is

>>212450084
I know that she sucks but she should at least act, do something, even if stupid. She leaves Bran chilling in a coma like a ticking time bomb, Bobby and Ned completely free to do whatever they want until B miracolously gets boar'd. She knew Ned was onto her because he told her like a dumbass and yet she never tried to kill him

>>212450084

its implied in the past she only gets away with her schemes because of her looks, and as she ages and gets uglier they seem to fail more and more. bravo george.

>>212448396
>Cersei's scheme being half-baked
No shit. Bitch just kept lucking out. She was never a master plotter. The mess we saw in AFFC was always there, just slightly more sober.

>>212450084
>Cersei sucks as a schemer and isn't as smart as she thinks she is
Even that's an understatement. She's easily one of the dumbest characters in the series.

>>212448396
What's funny is that it wasn't her first """attempt""", she tried to reverse psychology him into a joust where he was supposed to die. It didn't work, because it's also dumb. I never understood why people were surprised by Cersei's POV in AFFC, she gets lucky, but she fucked up A LOT.
>fucks her brother all over the place, nearly everyone other than Robert knows due to how bad she is at being discreet
>fails to take care of/capture Stannis and Renly, it doesn't even occur to her
>just kind of forgets about Bran
>fires the most popular KG in Westeros for no reason
>fails to prevent Ned's execution
>just goes off slaughtering babies and generally pissing off the smallfolk
>decides that bringing up incest in front of everybody is the right response to discredit Stannis "Nuh-uh, his wife is fucking her uncle!"
>"why don't we just fling this highly volatile substance from within our walls with catapults?"
>fails to figure out who Tyrion's mistress is
>loses Tommen and Myrcella right from under her
>half-baked Tyrion murder plot
>gets wasted during the siege and leaves her 12 year old hostage to clean up her political/optics mess
>impotently cries when daddy orders her to marry again, no schemes, not even using the actual hard power she has in that situation
>half-baked Tyrion murder plot 2.0, this time trying to get his brother who loves him to do it
>literally incapable of conceiving that anyone other than Tyrion might want to kill Joff
She was never a major player.

>>212448396
She also got lucky in that Sansa told her about Ned's plans.

>>212450890
Oh yeah, I forgot that she also tried to fuck her way out of the whole "Ned knows" situation. Silly whore.

>>212450084
D&D were retards who when writing the show, present every character (that they like)'s self image as incontrovertible fact, so Cersei goes from a bumbling retard scraping by on her sex appeal, name, and the implicit threat of her siccing Jaime on anyone who pisses her off; to a giga genius even smarter than Tywin who manages to literally do 9/11 and get away with it despite everyone knowing it was her

>>212450198
Not killing Ned was probably the smartest thing she did. There were ways to avoid a war and that was one, but Littlefinger/Joffrey saw an end to that.

>>212451713
As Joffrey's regent, she had the power to stop it. But god forbid Joff appear weak.

>>212451713
if Ned redpilled Bobber about the incest it would've been over for her

>>212442954
Preston is a retarded schizo of his own caliber. He keeps insisting and cramming into his theories the idea that the setting is a post-apocalyptic science fiction one, even though GRRM has repeatedly said, on multiple occasions, that no, this is fantasy, the magic is real, the seasons have a supernatural explanation etc.

>>212436807
I have no idea how HOTD managed to take an edgy psychopath character played by an interesting weirdo and somehow make him one-note and boring.

>>212451776
I think that was one of those moments that terrified her because she didn't have the power she thought she did

>>212451829
I don't think Bob would have wanted to believe it was real, desu. Plus murdering Ned at the same time that her father is ravaging the Riverlands guarantees a war.
I'm not saying her methods were necessarily smart, but the idea of keeping Ned as a hostage or striking a deal was smarter than outright killing him.

>>212452110
Failure to commit to the bit. Either he's a monster, or an uwu bullied kid trying to reclaim his power. Flip-flopping kills the character. They have a similar problem with Alicent.

>>212452286
I mean killing Ned (or Bobby) before they could link up on the incest, the risk is just too big.

kill Bobby -> she takes control
kill Ned -> Bobby can possibly enforce peace between the Lannisters and Starks

Joffrey fucked up for her by having Ned executed

its written by unskillful people and 30% of the episodes are full of artsy fartsy shallow focus shot montages and le epic moovie wide shots to fill out the episode time since they have no idea wtf they are doing. contrast that to early GoT where the longest the camera lingers on a scene that has no expositoriy value is maybe 3 seconds for an establishing shot 3-5 times per ep.

>>212410509 (OP)
the show is mainly for women. it doesn't need substance.

i look forward to hatewatching s3 with /got+hotd/

>>212413263
It’s not just the blacks but the over stereotypes
>first black dragon rider is a gay bottom that would rather suck dick than rule as king
>black father cheats on his white wife and abandons his bastards
>the godawful ugly modern black hair styles
It does not paint a good image on blacks at all, it could be good but they just kept pushing stereotypes left and right

>>212452697
I like how they are all obligated to go "YAAAS MASSA RHAENYRA U IS SO GOOD GIRRRL" once per episode.

>>212452697
There is an actual black dragon rider named Nettles whose actually pretty decent but her inclusion would make and her lesbian spymaster look bad, the actual one time a canon black character exists in ASOIAF that does something she gets removed in favour of worse versions of her

Who would win in a dragon fight, HBO or one autist with Unity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwLesLbrf8

>>212436807
The fact he has a total of 16 minutes of screen time in season 2 is a fucking crime

>>212453505
Also makes Daemons "on that much, we agree" less impactful because he won't be depressed over losing his side piece of ass
They could give him another side piece of ass but it can't be Rheyna (? Baela? i dont car about the nogs sorry) but then what was the point in
1. not just including nettles
2. devoting all of season 2 just to have his "i will always fight for you rhaenyra because Helaena told me too after I killed her son"
if only someone like GRRM was warning them about these minor changes and their drastic consequences
or hey the fat fuck could defend his works
then again he's probably doing his best. If I'm honest would I be able to do better in this situation? probably not. What company would I go to that won't nog my shit up?

>>212442954
It’s clear George was fucking that German pornstar they kept meeting after her role was done and he kept praising her acting.

>>212453659
The only part I hold against him about this is his taste in women

They made too little progress in season 2 to get to the hour of the wolf at the end of season 4

>>212453678
Old guys always go for the lowest standard available, like Aussie boomers and their love for fat short philipinas

>>212453727
not ending Season 2 with the fall of King's Landing was genuinely retarded
Apparently they had actually written 10 episodes and HBO cut them down to 8, which is why it feels so fucky? IDK how true that is though, I read it on the internet. The writers are also kind of bad, so.

>GRRM sampling prostitutes on HBO's dime
can we all just admit we're jealous
He did it in season 1, too. He didn't even wait to ease them into it. Man jumped in. I respect that. Weinstein's ghost smiles upon him.

>>212435330
I like that there is more basis for Sansa and Fake Aegon in the books then fucking Jon and Sansa

I love Fire and Blood
I have 520+ hours listening to The Dying of the Dragons (like 1/6th of the book, probably 6-8 hours total)
I don't even care that the show can be retarded. I enjoy the kino parts and anything else is Mushroom Propaganda. It's also funny to laugh at and mock, I get angry sometimes (Blood & Cheese, Helaena, Alicent, the finale) but I get over it and then just have fun again.
Feels good being autistic.

>mrw mom tells me to get a job again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YsyZGk4IpI

>>212410509 (OP)
I'm rewatching season 2 now and it's not as bad as I remember it being.
It's biggest issue is repeating scenes between Rhaenyra/Jace and Rhaenyra/White Worm.
There is a solid 6 episode cut you could make out of it.

>>212453727
I think the idea that they'll finish it in 4 seasons is unlikely unless HBO intervenes and forces them to finish it.

>>212453879
I genuinely think that's Varys's plan. Mad Mouse is his agent after all, and Sansa is a prize as far as bachelorettes go due to Hoster's machinations. Like always, things will go wrong. Arianne is in a one sided dick measuring contest with Quentyn, so she'll probably seduce Aegon. And according to GURM's leaked scribbles, Mouse dies, and Sansa sets sail to White Harbor.

>>212436807
HE DARESSSSSSS SUMMON ME???

Are you ready for one battle and a lot of montages?

>>212454370
lol i hope people are ready for "nothing happened" again next season

>>212454148
IT IS A SIN AND THEY MUST BE PUNISHED!

>>212436807
>S1 Aemond clearly shocked by accidentally killing Luke
>S2 Aemond is suddenly evil AF

>>212454549
The worst part is they continued with this path showing him being regretful to the hag hooker, only to just undo it anyway.

>>212454549
>S1 Alicent is all about protecting her kids to the point of starting the war
>S2 Alicent agrees to have them all killed without any fuss

>>212448692
There weren’t nigger Velaryons either but that illiteracy gets a pass from faggots like you when it’s for the sake of DEI.

>Dragonsneeds
>Seasmoke starts burning niggas left and right
>Rhaenyra uses her guards to prevent those from fleeing to escape

are we supposed to root for her?

>>212454952
Don't you hear the heroic music playing? In all seriousness the massacre will be treated the same way the one Rhaenys committed during Aegon's coronation. Not at all. Meanwhile
>THE RATCATCHERS

>>212455013
It still makes me die laughing when the ratcatchers are put on the tapestry alongside the Doom of Valyria

>>212455117
The explosion of a peninsula followed by a century of blood is pretty bad, but was there a hecking sad doggorino?

>>212453505
HBO has actually gone out of their way to cut out LITERALLY every canonically black character in ASOIAF
>Chataya and Alayaya
reworked into Littlefinger and his comic relief whores
>Jalabhar Xho
erased from existence
>the crew of the Cinnamon Wind
cut, Sam gets to Oldtown on a completely generic Westerosi ship

>>212455746
Brown Ben Plumm too. Missandei was the only one they kept.

>>212455746
>>212455883
You guys forgot Onion Knight's black pirate friend.

Season 1 was decent. Season 2 was... Very bad. The memes were fun at least.

>>212455908
White in the books. I did forget Moqorro though. That guy was metal as fuck. Also the woman Euron wargs into to get dicked down by his brother.

>>212455908
Salladhor Saan is Lyseni in the books, he should look like a Valyrian

>>212455746
They did that because those were deemed racist caricatures.

>>212456568
why did they make the guy obsessed with raping a white woman black

>>212413263
Yeah, this was the reason i never watched this

>>212453505
nettles wasn't black in the books

>>212413263
Valyrians are probably a blood magic gene splicing project rather than a naturally developed race of people, so some being black isn't too crazy. It's annoying that Velaryons are though, because it creates changes in Targ family tree. They had multiple relatively recent Velaryon marriages in their history, so ever Targ in the show should be various shades of black. They're not though, and Laena comments that the two houses last mixed in the old Valyria.
>>212456671
I can kind of see it. GURM really likes hypersexualizing them.

>>212455959
>successfully gaslights a nordaboo into thinking his gangrenous wound is a source of badassitude
Based nigger.

>>212453505
>>212455746
Strong Belwas was also cut

for me, it's Dorne

>>212458713
>tfw the show never had Soiled Knight kino

>>212454605
>Yeah but Rhaenyra, can you please spare my autistic daughter, Helaena? She's just so special and doesn't deserve all the torment you're husband caused her when she had to watch her three-year-old son get decapitated. She's the real victim in all of this

>>212458786
It’s true.

>>212458786
>>212458850
blacks really are evil

>>212418362
But anon... What would you have them do?!

>>212418362
>normies like aegon more than rhaenyra
>showrunners seethe
the whole thing is hilarious

>>212458786
Helaena is fine. Babies die all the time. Besides, she's busy astrally projecting to her son's murderer to guide him into reconciling with his wife.

>>212454370
I think the Red Kraken will be cut out entirely, no way they’re making the Blacks join with the Ironborn to allow them pillage rights.

>Blacks Dindu Nuffin: The Show

>>212454370
When is this shit even airing? Between S2 being garbage and these huge waits between seasons, I can only imagine interest in this is tanking.

>>212459710
It only started filming like a month ago.
Dunk got pushed back to 2026 because HBO knows HOTD is slipping 2026 and will probably end up being spring 2027 at the earliest.
They've ROYALLY botched the IP and we'll be lucky if enough people watch s3 to get s4 made.

>>212418362
I liked Rhaenyra and Alicent in season 1 but in season 2 they have fuck all to actually do. Their scenes are boring because they consist of them talking to the same people about the same things over and over again. At least Cole, Aegon and Aemond actually get to do something.

>>212414832
Sar I is aryan nazi 1488 saaar not shitskin america be white o algo

how will they fuck up dunk egg

>>212460386
something something winter is coming something something white walker

>>212460386
>Baelor died on purpose because it's part of Bloodraven's keikaku
>one of the Blackfyres has the catspaw dagger

>>212460415
kek, guaranteed in the cold opening there will be a reference to some targshit prophecy everyone in westeros is conscious about

TV is cooked fr fr
HBO haven't made a good show in years.

Are we really gonna act like this show was bad all along? Outside of the last couple episodes S1 of this show was some of the best televsion we've gotten in the past 10 years

>>212461016
Season 2 was mostly boring. Season 3 could save it but I'm not holding my breath.

>>212461016
Who's doing that? S1 was ok with some bad aspects. It's S2 that everyone rightly calls a disaster.

>>212461016
season 1 was GoT s4 tier: mostly good with a couple massive hunks of shit
season 2 was straight up horrible

>>212410509 (OP)
its crazy how bad HBO fucked up what could have been a multi billion dollar franchise like LOTR or starwars all to appease 2 hacks who wanted to rush the ending. then in the show that was made to unfuck the ill will towards the ending of the main show they fuck it all up again in the 2nd season by cancelling the end season battle.

who ever made these decisions should be shit canned