Was the Alien actually the perfectly structured organism as Ash touted it as?
Or it's simply because a wall-climbing professional black ninja Alien had the element of surprise and facing off a bunch of trashmen?

Were the trashmen incompetent by trashmen standards or by professional SWAT team ops standards? same for the Marines that looked no older than 25 and behave like they came from a Detroit Highschool.

By the way was it ever stated what the hell the Nostromo crew actually were? miners? literal trashmen? truckets with valuable ore cargo?

>>212410880 (OP)
I mean, having an exoskeleton is pretty swell compared to unprotected human flesh. But yeah Xenomorphs seem to lack brainpower, so that's a definite disadvantage.

The thing that makes the Nostromo crew look incompetent is their Wily E Coyote vs Roadrunner position.
They know the complete layout of the Nostromo ship, they have scanners, tools, control over the ship ... yet they still lose. This might make them look very incompetent because one of them could easily go against them and throw them in space. Which as shown by Ash isn't the case ... it all indeed came down to sheer brute strength and being better at hiding and surprising the other just like those clever "little" girls from Jurrasic Park.

ash is a robot. he thinks whatever he's been programmed to think.
he probably rationalized that the xeno was a "perfect organism" because he has orders from weyland to protect it with his life and the lives of everyone on board.

>>212410880 (OP)
Play the video game and see what it's like to get hunted by a Xeno

Neither the Nostromo people nor the Marines had a chance in hell

AYYLMAO

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>>212410880 (OP)
>Was the Alien actually the perfectly structured organism as Ash touted it as?
>Or it's simply because a wall-climbing professional black ninja Alien had the element of surprise and facing off a bunch of trashmen?

I don't think that's what Ash was referring to when claiming it was a perfect organism. But that through it's means of reproduction the species could adapt to survive in any habitable environment.

>>212412825
The Thing beats the xenomorph's ass.

>>212410939
>But yeah Xenomorphs seem to lack brainpower
Cameron's version of them. The xeno from the first film seemed much smarter.

>>212413127
Zerg beats The Thing's non existant ass.

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>>212410939
they were gonna end the movie with the alien killing Ripley and then recording a fake log in a perfect imitation of her voice.
Tha would have been mad stupid tho.
I will say, the reproductive nest we saw in the extended cut of Alien was a really good scene and should have been kept in the film.

>>212413401
Tyranids hands over the Kerrigan's butt on a silver platter for her to eat her own butt cheeks.

>>212414308
>Tha would have been mad stupid tho.
It would have made the Alien truly ... a stranger changer. ;)) The problem is always that these powers come off as ridiculous and very comic book esque like Command & Conquer and GI Joe.
How do you realistically make OP powers so the xenomorphs can actually be a universe-level threat and not just a nuisance in the confines of a spaceship? All without somebody saying "That's stupid, that's unrealistic."

>>212414674
the acid blood works really well because it's just a really strange biologicl function.
If the alien can imitate human voices, that means the film will have to show the alien speaking in a woman's voice. And that would just be funny.

>>212414738
Or a cringeworthy light male voice straight out of a Marvel film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMB4vtsVSyU

>>212414892
he sounds like he'd tell everybody he named his cat "Xenomort"

>>212412208
Anyone who whines about people acting dumb in Alien movies should play it. Seeing this thing is terrifying in a first-person game let alone in real life.

>>212410880 (OP)
the fact that aliens made them such chumps that would die to fucking buckshot and .223 retroactively messed up alien

like the idea in alien that ash would tell them to use fire and fire would actually work and wasn't just a joke to him, a psychopath that worshipped the alien and intended to murder every human on board. then cameron is like I see fire works and they're blowtorching aliens in the action movie sequel. Because he's a fucking moron you see, do you understand, it's a sabotage sequel

>>212410880 (OP)
It’s a life form that can quickly adapt to its environment, survive for centuries through hibernation, and is smarter than the average animal. Imagine if you could teach it to pick up a pickaxe and mine for ore, it’s no surprise a robot that serves a corrupt, bureaucratic, capitalist empire would see them as the ultimate workforce

>>212414937
Lol ZOOOMMM ZOOOM ZOOM :D
>Ststop-stop making fun of me!!!
It's my big brother millennial duty to make fun of you and it's gen-X's duty to be disgusted by you. :)

Go play System Shock, pussy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzYjWLqgNA&list=RDcqzYjWLqgNA&start_radio=1

>The perfect organism in question

>>212416397
ignoring the gay booty cheeks this would be a cool movie. someone drops black goop into the ocean and then there are a few years where they reproduce to billions and then they start coming up out of the water taking over the land.

they would work every well as a sci-fi zombie movie

>>212410880 (OP)
I think Ash was mostly talking out of his ass. They knew barely anything about the Alien when he said that. They didn't know whether it eats or not, where the eggs come from, what it's weaknesses are etc. All he knew is that at the very least the eggs were able to survive for centuries, maybe even millennia, that it reproduced by killing and that its blood was acid.
>By the way was it ever stated what the hell the Nostromo crew actually were? miners? literal trashmen? truckets with valuable ore cargo?
They were space truckers transporting cargo.

>>212417059
Ash could have discovered anything. He wouldn't have told the Nostromo crew in any case.

>>212417105
You're not wrong but he sure as hell didn't know about the Queen because there wasn't one on LV-426 (at the time). And he couldn't conduct any tests on Big Chap either, so all he had for testing was the dead Facehugger.

I always assumed the xenomorph evolved specifically to be a perfect hunter in the Nostromo.

>>212415222
>it’s no surprise a robot that serves a corrupt, bureaucratic, capitalist empire would see them as the ultimate workforce
That's what it seems and it is since Alien 4 confirmed the retards didn't even account for the acid blood despite Weyland supposedly being such a big fanatic over the Alien he did not know the first thing about it. Truly delusional redneck being fascinated by a spider or parasitoid wasp that's normal in the insect world. And them saying the silicon-based lifeform is weak to fire like it's made out of chitin was hilarious.


If I was to take Ash's claim to heart, but do a 180 from Cameron ... then I'd employ a lot of MC Escher mathematical stuff to it to mess with the simpletons. You see, the Alien's DNA is the most perfect math in history and he lives in a MC Escher world that doesn't make sense to a human living in it, but it makes perfect sense to a being of pure math.

Also I'd evolve the xenomorph to just be warframes from Warframe. Not even their users & creators understand how those flesh golems work.

The only thinig more pretentious and up their ass than a philosophy major and a chemical biologist is a faggot mathematician, but not even the useful architecture guy, but pure algebra retard who works on nothing but theories.
I've heard one of these pseuds tell me "Everything is math" like some religious nutjob saying "God is in all of us". I think it would fit Ash's claims perfectly. Just like Cube's movies where the audience was left scratching their heads "are they making fun of us non-math fags?"

>>212416230
God damn, millennials are so cringe!

>>212417888
Goddamn gen-Zoos are in fact dumber than ChatGPT Ahahahaha. No wonder nobody wants to hire these flesh automatons with no experience, no knowledge and the inability to learn.

In what world do you think xenomorphs come from? What would their world look like?

>>212418609
Like (spoilers for Aliens Dark Descent), the last mission from Aliens Dark Descent. Exactly like that.

Die, xenomorph scum!

>>212418609
MC Escher/Blame/Shafts/Cube/Subliminal Spaces. They live in Giger's Shafts. And you need to know Math to know how it works. ;)

>>212412208
That xeno is making me act up

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>>212418609
The comic book fags would say it looks like an infested planet with nothing but xeno resin and a bunch of silos and skeletal structures that resemble the derelict ship or parts of the xenomorph.

>>212420666
I love this movie. Can't believe it has like a 30% or something on Rotten Tomatoes. What a joke.

>>212413322
You guys are both fucking dumb.

The queen also figured out elevators and knew where to hitch a ride on the drop ship.

You should both promptly fuck yourselves, or better yet, each other.

>>212421523
Same.

>>212412208
>ripleys emotional rather than fact based presentation on the xenomorph
>gormans shitty command decisions
>burkes treachery
>not guarding the entrance to the dropship
I'd argue these are the only reasons the Marines "lost" in Aliens. When they actually got their shit together in the second half of the movie they killed a shit ton of aliens despite having practically no supplies.

>>212418609
their ''world'' is with whatever life the goo comes into contact with

>>212414937
Based. Game was scarier than all the movies. I looked forward to just fighting androids to tone down the scares for a while

>>212423126
I watched the making-of of that scene, the Alien and it crawling down is entirely practical effects.

>>212423659
Yeah, you can tell it's practical. Still looks very good.

>>212423843
I don't know how anyone can look at a Predator giant-swinging a Xeno into stone pillars and not think it's the sickest shit ever.

>>212410880 (OP)
Ash was a malfunctioning retarded robot. He hated humans and was excited over finding actual alien life. Of course it wasn't perfect. That's ridiculous.

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>>212423843
fucking kino

>>212425330
This would fix a lot of things but make it less mysterious... unless the facehugger was supposed to evolve into the space jockey under different conditions.

>>212429080
AVP vs Killer of Killers which is better? they're both comic book as hell with AVP even borrowing the predator pyramid idea directly from the comic books.

There's also THE OTHER AVP2 that's regarded better than AVP1 that also has a lot of inspirations from comic books complete with the cartoony look. If anyone wants a 10 minute visual novel story check it out.
https://youtu.be/-latIFZ6xyA?t=1297

All according to keikaku (Note: Keikaku means plan)
All according to the xenomorph (Note: xeno morph means stranger changer)