In what world do you think xenomorphs come from? What would their world look like?

They were genetically engineered by the... Engineers. They don't have a homeworld

xenomorphs are a lab grown bioweapon now sadly, Ridley Scott retconned basically any mystery of their origins when he made Prometheus.

>>212444378
The Xenomorphs being a bioweapon is the only backstory that makes sense. It's the only explanation for how impossibly aggressive, durable, and parasitic they are. Any attempt to tell me a thing like that naturally evolved would just sound retarded

>>212444438
ironically even evolution itself was retconned in the Alien universe since it is established that humans were created by the engineers.

>>212444378
>looks like a bioengineered alien
>has wire and machine aesthetics all over its body
>body looks like the armor and ship aesthetic of the space jockey from the first movie
>"its entirely unrealistic to be a bioengineered"
it mightve been unecessary to give them an origin but out of all the origins they couldve picked it was the most obvious and fitting one

>>212444293 (OP)
a special guy called David is their mother. He cool

>>212444566
Michael Fassbender is the only good looking actor in this entire franchise.

>>212444293 (OP)
I would have liked an origin is that they are space cocoroaches and their homeworld is completely desolate because they evolved to the point that they bred themselves to extinction after outcompeting and devouring all other species. Then they went into space ... somehow

>>212444787
>somehow
they have acid blood don't they??? During the over population. the wars for limited resources got more intense, the rivers of blood in some areas became so overbearing that it melted through the planet. breaking the planet apart and hurling chunks of it filled with the aliens into space.

>>212444930
>evolution would create a species that destroys the planet by bleeding

>unleash xenomorphs on your enemy
>now the entire planet is infested and unusable
now what genius?

>>212444989
It's more likely than you think. Reality is stranger than fiction. "Isn't nature fascinating?" - Fluttershy *cue* horribly disgusting sick biology. Damn nature you scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_fZNZjJcQ&ab_channel=NationalGeographic

>>212444930
Based anon, and thank you

>>212444293 (OP)
>Following a failed Xenomorph hunt on Xenomorph Prime, a lone Yautja crafted weapons from his broken ship, abandoning his desire to be rescued and taking up his greatest challenge as a true warrior.

>>212445113
Why did the coyote run away? It's not like if he started eating the lizard there wouldn't be blood.involved

>>212444522
>it is established that humans were created by the engineers.
I honestly never understood the *gulp* scene from prometheus.

if they landed on the barren earth and seeded it with life in general, then why the 4 billion year delay and side quest into dinosaurs until humans finally arrived?

and if they landed on earth only a few million years ago to specifically create humans, then the human genome anomaly from all other life on earth would've been discovered easily, long before the alien franchise even kicks off

neither of these 2 scenarios make sense.

>>212444438
No, you could make a H.R Giger world were they are right at home.

>>212445098
You release the uber-xenomorphs that exclusively hunt and parasitize regular xenomorphs

My headcanon is basically just Scorn.

>>212444293 (OP)
like a living giger painting. it would be biomechanical in nature, unclear what their origins of as either a designed on purpose by somebody or something that was designed but evolved into something else within its biomechanical ecosystem.

the world itself would be completely alien. unbreathable air, unsurvivable pressures and temperatures without hardened exosuits for humans

something like a super Venus concealing Giger world under its thick atmosphere. Hell, you could very easily structures a classic Alien movie around this with a deep space human crew coming across signals emitting from the uninhabitable world. Even soft retcon ridleys big bald men as another species created for specific purpose of seeding earth likes across the cosmos for unknown purposes. That came in variety of version like the much larger and permanently fused to its chair space jockey from alien 1 that was not bipedal

>>212444373
Nope.
They just retconned it recently. The Jockeys didn't actually create the black goo that spawned the xenos. They merely found it from fossilized remnants of ancient ones as they searched for their own origins, mirroring the premise of Prometheus. They subsequently reproduced the goo in their own labs and repeated the xeno cycle in different ways. The general idea Ridley's trying convey here is that all multicellular life in the universe came from the xenos and eventually becomes the xenos no matter how long it takes. Their ultimate origin remains unclear, but it's supposed to be a way of "fixing" the franchise by keeping the aliens' beginnings a mystery, almost Lovecraftian.
Also, the Yautja (AKA Predators) are involved somehow.

>>212444989
>evolution is a conscious being and cares for the planet
evolution just means the best adapted beings to a given environment procreates the most and passes on their specific genetic mutations. we have seen invasive species destroy ecosystems, humanity itself has caused nature to change all around it and has become a species capable of destroying all life on earth.
if evolution can allow for intelligence to be mutated to that degree that it can destroy the planet. why can't it allow for blood to be mutated to that degree ??
where is this limitation coming from ??

>>212445365
well I guess you can hand wave that they had a strict hand off approach and saw the seeded planets as sterile incubators. Seed it and see what happens. most of the 4 billion years was spent as single cells anyway until the mitochondria revolution happened which allowed for eventual multi cells. Dinos are a mere short chapter in it and even more so the human monkey

thank god the jesus crap never made it off the cutting room floor so at least you can now build that reason engineers started interfering on earth was the emergence of homo sapiens, a species close to them. Also reason for wanting to terminate earth immediately was that they were developing far too quickly and would become space born in short time (for cosmic scales engis operate on). Which they did not want for humans, and piggy backing earth life like bacteria inside human bodies, to escape their designated incubator

>>212445175
you're welcome, anon.

>>212444293 (OP)
Like this: https://youtu.be/W4gmS4LNe9g?si=qlgroq2o_ijcybdA&t=67003

>>212445806
making xenos the center of the universe is retarded as hell. at its core its an aggressive parasitic predator that barely can use basic tools and is physically incapable of every achieving space flight without somebody carrying them around

its biochemistry is exceptional but no way in hell should xenos be the be all, end all of it. Even if they are useful bugs for refining the black blood mutagen which is most certainly the basis of biomechanica. Xenos should be one of many creatures from whatever place it originated from

tl/dr alien, like other long running series like star wars or fallout, is turning into shit with lore imploding collapsing in itself

I honestly think you could recut Alien: Resurrection into a 30 minute avante garde short about Ripley being caught in the undertow of biological processes beyond human comprehension.

>>212446012
That makes sense because Resurrection gets better the more you cut from it

>>212446207
Just for the love of god keep Brad Dourif in there.

>>212445962
This

The whole point of “Alien” is that there are things truly alien out in space that we’re better off never encountering

Cosmic horrors from ages past lying in wait

Not this faggoty-ass “muh engineers” and them being responsible for everything like it’s a fucking Marvel franchise film

The Space Jockey worked better because the horror your mind devised as you saw a massive creature fossilised into its ship with a hole in its chest is more terrifying than “lmao these giant Ancient Aliens white marble statue men share 99% of our DNA :DDD”

>>212446232
I don't think any actor in that movie had a good performance, and even Dourif didn't seem as good as he normally is. But I attribute that to the writing and not the actors skills (other than Ryder). The dialogue was just incredibly amateurish compared to the previous movies

Ridley slop is not canon. Simple as. I consider AvP to be more canon, which ironically was infinitely more respectful to the original movies, than the putrid, retarded diarrhea of that senile hack cretin.

>>212446340
Based

I think Alien is by far the best movie out of all of them, but I still adore Resurrection.
>I love the guy smooching the Alien through the glass
>I love the cast and I love how many of them survive
>I love everyone's performances
>I love autistic clone Ripley and wish the movie showed more of that side of her character
>I love the scene where the Aliens are swimming
>I love the scene where the Newborn gets sucked out a tiny hole for like a full minute
>I love Ripley throwing hoops (Siggy actually hit that throw for real)
The only thing I don't love is that the lovable cast is a bunch of human traffickers.

>>212446282
It's amusing how that senile retard Scott tried to gaslight everyone into thinking his gay engineers are totally the same as space jockeys.

>>212446381
Personally I fucking hated watching that midget and Warrick from CSI climbing a ladder for 10 minutes

>>212445623
Are the xenomorphs silicon based?

>>212445449
Then what?

>>212446282
Based

>>212446381
Me and you are the same anon

Yesterday we've had a delicious thread about Blame! on /v/ where numerous Blame!-like games were posted, video game fags are eating good compared to us /tv/ & /co/ fags. Together with that we've reference countless other IPs inspiring from Brutalist architecture and a very obvious artist. Tsutomu Nihei an architecturefag inspires from HR Giger who was also into architecture and numerous other inspirations such as Beksinski. Giger's Shaft is inspired from Brutalist and where Nihei inspired from among the obvious black armour from the xenomorph.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuAzfO4DbgA&ab_channel=Baderlikesmanga
Builders are gigantic robotic automatons that auto-generate the city.
Centuries before the manga opens, when the Administration first lost control of the Safeguards, they also lost control of the Builders. Without any authority to control them or provide them instructions, the Builders have continued building the City since then, creating newer and bigger structures as time passed. However, over time the Builders' programming has degraded, and most of them build entirely random structures with no intended purpose in mind. This is why the City is filled with bizarre, pointless features, such as staircases that go nowhere or straight hallways barred by a door every foot. Do you know who else was an architect and mathematician and created the equivalent of surrealism art? MC Escher.

Then you have Warframe's lore that mimics the space jockeys & engineers. The Orokin discovered the flesh beings known as Warframes and The Tenno are controlling the warframes telepathetically to act as proxy mercenary fleshrobots that have powers & ninja-like skills. Tenno sit in a chair as they control the warframes.
A species of Flood-like beings called "The Infested" were utilized by The Orokin to create the warframes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwRuLTp3EN4&ab_channel=WatchmanGaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9soQki14gus&ab_channel=MynameisByf

>>212444438
>impossibly aggressive
like every single predatory creature ever?
>durable
They're not durable whatsoever. They are harmed as easily as anything. The only thing keeping humans from just lighting them up is their acid blood damaging expensive equipment humans need
>parasitic
literally tons of creatures on Earth that have the exact same biology and parasitic lifecycle
You made a headcanon that they're some unknowable eldritch horror unlike anything else, which has no basis in reality.

>>212446798
Then you have the real life version of a hellhole megastructure that looks grotesque, mentally disabled and a prison by non-commie human standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoNclh1K_zY&ab_channel=DamiLee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YuNvIfM-YA&ab_channel=neo

The diversity of wasps & spiders is insane, but especially wasps since there's 50k different species of JUST parasitoid wasps and another 50k of non parasite wasps. This is what the Xenomorph is based on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgsMYu-h37w&ab_channel=AnimatedEarth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYJpNLWlp8U&ab_channel=TeamCandiru
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitoid_wasp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6D9KCzuHqQ&ab_channel=Aztekhem
Atrox/Atrocious create 2 species "supposedly" derived from human DNA which evolved separately; one look like HP Lovecraftian beasts that somehow just like the Infested can infect a mechanical computer.
The other are biomechas with a Y2k aesthetic that look like a more sleeker robotized version of Giger's artwork but without the steam/ghostly & calcified aspect.
>>212446505
Yes, the facehugger is referred to as silicon rather than carbon-based atom material.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=silicon+based+life

System Shock is based off HR Giger's drawing. Metroid is based off Alien1979 and another similar game.
Borg might as well be loosely based on SystemShock/HR Giger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjH-Ra2rh4&ab_channel=TrekCentral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTyg9wteKs&ab_channel=OrangeRiver

>>212445962
>making xenos the center of the universe is retarded as hell. at its core its an aggressive parasitic predator that barely can use basic tools and is physically incapable of every achieving space flight without somebody carrying them around
>
> its biochemistry is exceptional but no way in hell should xenos be the be all, end all of it. Even if they are useful bugs for refining the black blood mutagen which is most certainly the basis of biomechanica. Xenos should be one of many creatures from whatever place it originated from
Evolutionarily speaking, this is however the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, how could the organism be compatible with pretty much any other organism in the galaxy?

>>212444989
>>evolution would create a species that destroys the planet by bleeding
>retarded person doesn’t understand the simple concept of evolution
You’ve got to be kidding.

>>212446954
Apex predators can be way less aggressive than prey animals
A zebra will fuck you up no matter what, humans cannot tame zebras
Wolves could be tamed into dogs because they had a docile gene in them due to being social animals like humans, despite being predators and all

>>212446798
>>212446992
>>212446798
>>212446992
Thanks anon, I just finished the Alien series for the first time and I'm interested in other aesthetically-similar media. The first half of Alien is the best part of the series. I love the trope of humanity stumbling upon the ancient history of its own or other species

>>212446340
It’s ironic that Ridley ripped off a lot of AvP for Prometheus

>>212446393
Exactly

>>212446381
All of these

Plus I kinda liked the USM. The general was scary but also kinda goofy.

>>212444378

I think the lack of respect for lore/mystery is connected to the rise in autism and stay-at-home-binge-watching culture. People don't want to speculate with other fans, write their own canon, or just enjoy the mystery. They just want to hoover up as much as possible if they like a franchise/setting and like a swarm of locusts will move on if there's nothing new to consume.

And on the corporate side they'll keep milking franchises until they're dry even though from a creative POV they really should put most existing franchises on the backburner until dinosaurs or xenomorphs or jedi or whatever seem mysterious and cool again.

>>212444607

I mean, that's sort of the point. The protagonists are just normal blue-collar people. If you had good prospects you wouldn't be a space trucker, a colonial marine, or an indentured worker on an isolated colony. The xenomorphs wouldn't even be all that dangerous waiting on isolated rocks in space if (((Weyland-Yutani))) didn't keep sending out people to find them.

>>212445098
Finally consider the bonus situation resolved.

>>212445365
pretty it is implied that humans ARE engineers or at least a copy of them made for a purpose, the same way that androids/replicants are a copy of the humans used for manual labor.

>>212446992
>>212445623
This would be neat, but the entire problem is it does not work as a movie for theaters. Audiences want something easy to digest, with a recognizable structure, don't think about too much, good guys win, bad guys lose, wrapped up in 2 hours. These intricate, complex, expansive worlds with slow exploration and time to play out are best enjoyed as a game where it can have as much time as it needs. And it knows that it's being interacted with by people who are interested in the subject matter so it can be a complicated as it needs too.

If Ridley wanted to finish his David tale, or if there were another director with a story he's passionate to tell, he unironically should make a game of it. It's really stupid and ancient thinking to view games as lesser when the movie medium is utter trash tier now and very insufficient for good stories.

I just got my copies of the first 2 of the aliens collection books

>>212447591
>movie for theaters
im trying to figure out if this even matters anymore.

>>212447802
well sure, everyone will be able to make their own movie, but that's not all that fun for anyone since the whole idea of these is everyone enjoying a singular cohesive canon where they don't know what happens next not a thousand individual ones

>>212446340
AvP1 the movie is based off a comic book from Dark Horse, it's ironic how even the cheesy comic books from Dark Horse seem more canon and less canon-breaking than Ridley Scott's "My robot has daddy issues since Blade Runner and keeps boasting about shit you people never even saw" but when it comes to showing me those amazing things Ridley saw we get nothing but more murder robots when Ridley doesn't have a book & script readily adapted for him to smudge all over it.

Speaking of comic book adaptions did any of you read Alien Labyrinth?

It's what the actual good AVP2 is based off of (among many other inspirations) , but Einsenberg's story is much more vanilla compared to what happened in Labyrinth.
https://youtu.be/-latIFZ6xyA?t=1327

Also I really enjoyed the backstory in Labyrinth, but the current story of what happened to the doctor afterwards and how they attempted to once again make the xenomorphs behave like animals rather than autistic robots was idiotic, but that's comic books for you; some great ideas and the rest stuff you should ignore. Similar to how Brandywine & Fox saw the original script by Dan O Bannon. 1 idea that really stuck with them and the rest they ignored.

I think the idea that the xenomorphs naturally live in an electromagnetic surrealistic megastructure full of mecha calcified tunnels can tie in with their heightened sense at maneuvering labyrinths. Their perfect hybridization of bone and metal can explain their talented autistic tendencies of being extremely adept at niche things such as sixth sense and navigation yet extremely dumb in general things such as tools and grabbing rocks to throw at creatures, seeing no purpose in it and "feeling" almost disgusted at the notion such as a Predator utilizing human tools, just like a robot attempting to use a toilet.

>>212447358
the shitty new Alien Earth show basically retconned and killed all the theories that the Alien world may be connected the the Blade Runner world.

I personally think that Earth should never have been shown(or at least not directly shown on the ground level) in the Alien franchise but alas here we are.

>>212444378
You can blame Ridley Scott for ruining the Space Jockey but the alien's mystery was taken away by James Cameron when he turned it into an ant.

>>212448183
Nope, nothing Cameron did wasn't already there in the first movie. He made them way scarier even. I wish the original alien moved with such energy and ferocity as the sequel aliens. You'll never force that shitty meme.

>>212447945
Alien Earth Wars was a comic book from Dark Horse which later got turned into around 3 to 5 video games. It tried to be a sequel to Resurrection when they land on Earth.
So you have the comic book guys to thank for the boring city.

>>212444373
It's a created being.

From the canon RPG.

>>212447855
>singular cohesive canon
As nice as that has been I don't think that it's going to be how things go for this stuff anymore. Look at literally any fandom right now and they are all filled with headcanon copers who view the entries they dislike as apocrypha. Star Wars, 40k, Star Trek, Alien, Predator, etc etc etc all have so much shit pumped out by their supposed custodians that nobody cares anymore and everyone has a different idea for what is beneficial for the canon.

In a way we are heading back to the way things used to be. There was no singular corporation controlling who told stories about Robin Hood or how. They were just iterated upon by anyone who wanted to add onto it and the good things stuck as the folklore evolved and the bad contributions were forgotten.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

>>212447601
Have you read Cold Forge, River of Pain and Phalanx? Those are really good, and I recommend them if you haven't checked them out already.

>>212448273
The alien was never meant to be an ant in the first movie and Aliens isn't scary at all.

>>212448297
And now they went ahead and made it canon.
Earth is supposed to be almost inhospitable for life, that is why there is a mass exodus of humans moving off world to live a new life.

>>212448363
That says right there that The Perfected(created by the Engineers) and the Engineers themselves DID NOT CREATE the alien form - Destroying Angels. They found it. Latter iterations of it such as The Perfected or Fulfremen were created by the engineers, but the xenomorphs/destroying angels were a natural occurrence. It says so right there.

>>212444293 (OP)
>In what world do you think xenomorphs come from? What would their world look like?
>In what world
Theyre a work of fiction created by the homo-sapiens from the Earth, picrel.

>series called Alien
>creatures are not Alien at all, but Humanity's siblings made by their drunkard, abusive father who abandoned them
wow bravo

>>212447591
>If Ridley wanted to finish his David tale, or if there were another director with a story he's passionate to tell, he unironically should make a game of it.
They're making another game like Alien: Isolation, it may not be about David but I think there's good chance lore from the prequels will be a part of it.

>>212448450
This is exacerbated by the balkanization of culture in globohomo. It's all values based. Different values = different canons to support them.

>>212448883
And it makes me sad. I loved Alien Isolation and it fits so well it's essentially canon. There's a high chance they ruin that now. They're going to make Amanda into some boss bitch that's fought and defeated the alien dozens of times like her mother. It was her destiny to always fight them until she dies! And it was all lies and secret coverups by the evil supervillain company of course. Yawn. Without a new character, I don't have much hope for the sequel.

>>212447591
>>212448450
>it does not work as a movie for theaters.
Depends what audience you're aiming for and how you execute it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZccxuj2RY&ab_channel=JanusFilms
It "can" work with it in the background or minimal or people taking the world for granted. Flow has shown it works. Blame! has shown that it kinda. The point is you have to keep things moving and keep your audience's attention. Most modern people do not enjoy mute films, mute not only in dialogue but mute in action, they need a balance of action and a face to attach themselves to even a mute cat is enough as long as the cat does actions and the environment and the cat react to each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCK9I1l7kVM&ab_channel=LambdogComicschannel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffxo_6Cg0Cw&ab_channel=MITHO

Most people prefer to be silver tongued rather than thinking more than their subconscious allows them to. It's why Hollywood took control and why "foreign" films from Britain, France, Germany are so badly regarded for their lack of cinematography and pizzaz. They feel pointless for they are pointless and make 1 point without developing on it. It's why the Hollywood jew won, and also cause Hollywood stole all the talent for it had money/dollar bills to back it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShGElGusepA&ab_channel=OtaKingAnimation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YC3XHCDyy0&ab_channel=RollinBoy
I've seen countless fan films and they all have the same problem as foreign films. They cannot keep your attention worth a damn. Most Hollywood films have a combination of attention-grabbing interests, entertainment and making the audience ask "what happens next?" and "I want more of that entertainment" most redneck non-sociopath autistic artists who never worked with people do not understand how to capture the audience's attention cause they're natural introverts who often times develop an ego too big for their own good and do not know how to sell an idea.

>>212448626
I'm going with the interpretation that the Xenomorph is a crude attempt at recreating an older, and more terrible being.

>>212444930
lol

>>212449151
And not so much an ego or arrogance through shyness and more-so the fact they live isolated all their life and think their 1 inexperienced idea they cannot execute/translate worth a damn is amazing, exactly like grabbing an overly emotional redneck who never saw a city and not understanding what people enjoy about cities. No education in how to grab the audience's attention. Just like putting a drawfag to tell a story and a writefag to draw appealing art. That's why you need a school to educate you on demographic appeal which have all but dissipated since 2008. It's why it's so important to be a jack of all trades else you end up forgotten. It's why Fox was so reluctant with Alien when everybody knew 70s horror was nothing but low-budget slop by amateurs and the opposite of something serious. Most big-time directors said no, most big-time actors also said no. They knew horror was a bad niche that attracts nothing but crap so it was refreshing when Alien didn't turn out to be crap... its production was crap on a lot of levels devolving into Alien 3's culmination of the biggest crap production.
It is a taught and natural talent to grab audience's attention by using basic natural and common things the human brain understands and appreciates. It is stupid to go against it and then blame the idea & the audience because you're an inexperienced stubborn autist that doesn't understand basic human psyche.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YC3XHCDyy0&ab_channel=RollinBoy

>>212449245
I think David briefly says something like that to Walter in Alien: Covenant.

>>212448363
>Ancient xenomorphs are dubbed Destroying Angels
Wut, lol?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldqASaxbPxk&ab_channel=DoctorWho

>>212449826
Reference to one of the old Dark Horse comics. Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels.

>>212449826
It's also inspired from Species 2 where they say the minor aliens are meant to be a bioweapon that overpopulates and kills everything on the planet and the remaining aliens die leaving a husk of a planet called Mars. In Species 1 they come up with the idea that an advanced species does not even dabble in wormholes, let alone space travel, but instead they send messages and some of those messages could be viruses where you teach a dumbass 4channer how to create the black plague and spread it around. Species' alien visualdesign & train dream sequences was handled by Giger.
Of course the question who were the advanced aliens who sent the message to begin with?

Also The Tourist, I need to read it, was also done for Giger. It's too bad Hans Ruedi isn't a writer like Tolkien to give more substance to his art skills beyond visual imagery.

>>212448363
Shit like this is how franchises deteriorate into autistic redditslop.

>>212450355
Franchises are inherently reddit.

>>212448363
>canon
Doesn't mean shit. The producers can change it whenever they feel like it.

>>212448450
>In a way we are heading back to the way things used to be. There was no singular corporation controlling who told stories about Robin Hood or how. They were just iterated upon by anyone who wanted to add onto it and the good things stuck as the folklore evolved and the bad contributions were forgotten.

Want a reinterpretation of Alien 1979? here you go. I won't spoil you, maybe at best I will Red Herring you with pic related. Just like Fox's reactions to the facehugger concept, great idea worth copying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAhxchX38rM&ab_channel=LonelySamurai%E5%AD%A4%E7%8B%AC%E3%81%AA%E4%BE%8D
The only complaint I will say without spoilering anything is that it should have been 2 hours long, not just 1 hour. Thriller+Horror+Detective stories do not work properly without enough time.

>>212450429
True, but until a film or tv show explicit contradicts it, it's canon.

https://roguereviewer.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/defining-canon-in-an-alien-world/

>>212448363
This partially connects with what >>212445806 said.

>>212450525
Alien Dark Descent came out on 20 June 2023.

Alien RPG: Building Better Worlds came out on November 24th 2024.

If we can take a step back from the long running theories of the past such as them being the apex predator on their planet the killed everything else or created as bioweapon to kill off a planetary population, what about this for consideration instead: it's also a long running concept that the xenomorph as we've seen it is not the final form and doesn't have to be. I like the scifi stories where the humans stumble into the middle of something far larger than themselves, discover small bits and pieces of it and struggle with those without knowing it gets far more complicated. The overarching makeup of the creatures is organic mixed with inorganic. They don't build singular ships staffed with xeno creatures all getting paid money with families they love back home, etc. They're hivemind creatures that send out spores/eggs into space on really long journeys (which aren't that long to them) towards habitable stars. When sufficiently advanced species stumble upon these spores, they get infected and eventually consumed. Or the spores land on life-filled worlds, whichever. The facehuggers, then xenos, then transformed into further biotechnology eventually using up all the organic mass to create a world suitable for the species as well as a wormhole hub that opens up back to the home system. This is how they colonize worlds and move star to star. The galaxy is big enough that their home system is still far away. The Space Jockeys are just a third party that ran across one of their spores and while studying it inadvertently triggered it before they could take it home. It didn't have enough biomass to do anything. It would be a neat take. The aliens don't have to just be mindless tiger monsters that want to claw everything, then hibernate, and that's all there is to them.

>>212444438
the bioweapon thing is comic book tier stupid. What is the point of a so called "bioweapon" that you have much harder time clearing out once they infest a planet.

Their physiology is exceptional for new alloys, vaccines, mutages etc but that is about it

>>212451073
Have you SEEN what nukes do?

>>212447591
theaters are going bankrupt and its only accelerated since the big wuhan flu outbreak. what theaters watchers want isn't really a concern more

main thing that is prohibiting good giger esque set pieces are
>lack of imagination
>costs
original alien 1 space jockey set cost about 20 million USD to make, which is over 88 million in todays dollars adjust for inflation, and studio was pissed it only featured 20 minutes screen time inside Alien 1

then later a jesus freak bible thumper set the space jockey on fire as it was on public display since it was "demonic"

>>212444293 (OP)
Well let's "conclude" this thread or rather summarize and evolve it.

Aliens must be ran into spin-offs that loosely connect to each other without contradicting. Just like Capcom's Megaman that had its main IP branch into around 5 spin-offs and even spin-offs of spin-offs like Zero into ZX, each spin-off appealing to a different demographic. That way it isn't the same Uncle Ben dies 10 times in a story you already knew. Just like Predator is its own IP and doesn't need Alien to survive off of it and vice versa. Spin offs devoid of Weyland Yutani. Spin offs where aliens aren't their primitive versions. Spin off movies differing in genre from Alien1979 to Aliens1986 to Alien3+Alien4 where they each have a different genre and demographic to cater to.
Spin offs where each Earth and each Xenomorph planet look different. People get to pick which spin off they want.

>>212445623
Aliens live in a surrealist biomechanoid dystopian world full of megastructures. Full of metal, bones, steam. Aliens behave like robots. Take inspiration from MC Escher which is surrealist math porn.
Take Blame!'s idea of the original species losing control and their AI overlords building erratic megastructures the size of Jupiter ad infinitum and silicon creatures being born from the walls, but with a lot more steam and guns and trains and skeleton influences. The megastructures start off Would be interesting if the origin species just evolved on its own rather than a third party alien species cultivating it.
Current xenos are the primitive versions that carry no evolved abilities and weapons. They require a proper host and a proper alien to control them. We take this idea from Warframe.

>>212447591
Scorn showed that Giger esque alien world do indeed work better as games

>>212451268
>what theaters watchers want isn't really a concern more
It is since it determines what gets made. Ridley's 2nd and 3rd David movies aren't getting made like he intended. All these movies people want with thorough, fleshed out, scifi ideas are going to be made. The studios will stick to the tried and true alien romulus style.

>>212451073
Wouldn't be that much of a problem, they go into hybernation once there's nothing to do.
Could be some bullshit about a nerve gas or some electrical impulse that they could apply to the nest of hybernating xenos and just pluck them off the wall.
Maybe there's an agent orange type thing they just gas the whole area and the xeno biology that you designed melts into a puddle you can hoover up.

>>212451344
This is the way. Follow the way.

>>212451398
what if they pieced together some cinematic footage of this and played it in a theater for discounted price? would people watch?

>>212446558
Uber-duper-xenomorph

>>212451344
>Aliens must be ran into spin-offs that loosely connect to each other without contradicting.
That's how the comics did it. It was pretty neat to explore a multitude of different takes on the same story

>>212451144
if you use bio weapons you do because you want to kill the inhabitants of infrastructure you want to capture intact while having the deployed weapon expire so its safe after a period of time. If you are going for you big scary NOOK-OOK then skip the middle man and burn down the original inhabitants straight up

xenos as bioweapon are stupid and dont stand any criticism once you think about it beyond the surface level
>evil, big mustache twirling corporation wants big, scary black slimy monster for their bioweapon! to slime their enemies up for profits hahahhahahahaaa!!
its literally resident evil tier but resident evil never pretended to take itself seriously

>>212450680
>I like the scifi stories where the humans stumble into the middle of something far larger than themselves, discover small bits and pieces of it and struggle with those without knowing it gets far more complicated
Recommend me some of these please

>>212451344
>loosely connect to each other without contradicting. J
already impossible. Ridleys third grade mystery boxes prometheus and covenant saw to that. this is before the other spin offs like avp or the upcoming crappy earth alien tv thing

its simpler going forward to everybody just do their own thing without connecting anything to other stuff. Everything is shat up already but that does not mean you cant make a decent alien movie with good set pieces and characters even if it is in contradiction to everything else around it

>>212451544
no since theater goers are a dying breed and whats left are more often then not bored teenager that sit on their phones most of the screen time anyway

>>212451696
>use xenos as a bioweapon 1 time
>document the entire process thoroughly
>present documentation whenever needed to whomever needs to see
>most effective bioweapon you never have to use

>>212451732
The Alien: Out of the Shadows audiobook. Its set between Alien and Aliens and focuses on a mining colony. I wont go into details but it shows the remains of a whole new species that had encountered the xenomorphs, but does the smart thing and dont spell everything out or explain all the mysteries since the characters only really care about surviving the situation.
The story does feature Ripley in a kind of silly way, and use a gimmick to explain why she doesnt remember everything that happened in the second movie.

>>212452048
It also has a direct sequel that is honestly pretty decent. But starts introducing psychics, which im a bit hesitant on. The sequel is set somewhere after Alien:4.

>>212452048
>>212452105
I'll look into it. I did a pretty deep dive into the Alien books and many were hard to get into. The last one I tried had so many love triangles in it I couldn't finish it.

>>212452048
>>212452105
Out of the Shadows and its sequel Sea of Sorrows are good, River of Pain is hot ass and I would not recommend it. All three are officially canon.

>>212452221
Oh and I would actually recommend the audio drama versions. The acting is good, and Out of the Shadows has the best Ripley impression I've ever heard in my life, I actually went to check if it was Siggy herself and was super surprised when I found out that it wasn't.

>>212452335
I normally do because finding books can be more difficult and expensive.

>>212452486
Bro your pirated e-books?

>>212451643
Indeed. Out of the comics came out the Predator pyramids, the hybrids, the terminators, humans into synths, the Earth wars, a woman raised by predators, xeno egg silos, xenomorph prime, red xenomorphs, praetorian xenomorphs, friendly synthetic xenomorphs who smoke, biosuits with lazers, the list goes on.
Just like Killer of Killers did ... sadly Dark Horse just like KoK does not understand atmosphere, anticipation, building fully fledged ideas.

The main problem with a comic you are not in charge of is that you have minimal time to evolve your idea in which you also need to tell a story so it is near impossible from that position to create something like Blame! that's an entire world on its own. You don't get to write & art it all yourself. I think most of Dark Horse's comics were only 30 pages each, right? unless you sucked a lot of corporate cock at Dark Horse, but this can all be avoided if 20th Century Fox gave a fuck and hired more than Dark Horse for the comics. Still better than allowing only Archie & IDW in charge of it, fuck those guys. This is why freelance comic artists being contracted individually is the way to go. I never quite liked the cheap artists and font Dark Horse used, it pales in comparison to the covers.

>>212451817
Gen-Zers are hilarious. Alien1979, Aliens1986 outright contradict each other "subtly" and Alien 3 & Alien blatantly contradict and pull off the usual stuff.

No wonder gen-zoo women crave the millenial dick. Watch this as Ridley fans start crying.
>The engineers are space jockeys
Not canon since it isn't LV-426 , you said it yourself.
>Ridley: uhh yeah it's an alternate world.
>Fans: Noo it's the same universe!!!
>Ridley & me: NO IT ISN'T.
Alternate universe.
Cloning
Eggmorphing vs Queen
Reverse engineering
Happened offscreen
Tore open a portal into the future
There's 100000 tribes and species of Predators & Xenomorphs
There's a bigger and even bigger and even uber duper bigger space jockey and xenomorph.

>>212452525
I have before, but I don't like reading unless it's a book. For some reason I can't read ebooks without getting distracted . I can read books easily however.

>>212452767
There's an ancient yellow xenomorph, it mustard gasses you for fun.

>Alien 3 & 4 ???
Ripley had a bad dream (from hypersleep, ptsd, xeno mindwelding, xeno fumes)

>Alien 2
That dream sequence where Ripley had a chestburster inside her and died? That was canon. Hadley's Hope wasn't. Check.

>Makes Blade Runner with Aliens
>Alien Earth Wars & Alien Earth: Hey what about us?
Who are you again? ah extended canon is not canon. TV shows aren't canon to the movie and neither are comic books, rofl go back to your TV Show, lol TV Shows being canon, roflmao.
Chekcmate.

>Alien 2,3,4 are canon !!!
Reset by a xeno time wizard.

>Alien 1
The xeno actually killed Ripley and used her vocal cords to mimic her voice and go to Earth which leads us into Alien 5 where the Alien uses Ripley's DNA , but they catch the Alien and thus we go to Alien 4.

>Alien 1.5
Ash as an AI actually survived and uploaded himself into the Narcissus which when inspected by Ripley's new miner friends end up infecting their ship as well. >>212452048
Then a freak lightning storm happened and we find out Ash was just dreaming of electric sheep.
Oh the Nostromo blowing up? Dunno, just have the Alien turn into an asteroid debri and have Ash survive like Bishop, just a head.
Hadley's Hope not exploding? Yep, totally canon, in Aliens Colonial Marines in whoever's mind wrote it.
What is a canon, do you eat it? Do you get shot out of a cannon?

>>212444293 (OP)
A chinese lab. Life only existed initially on Earth.

>>212444522
The answers I get on ChatGPT when I ask it to explain the genesis of life get really fucking weird.

>We propose an extension to Penrose’s Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC) in which biogenesis — specifically the emergence of RNA-like replicators — is not a product of stochastic abiogenesis within each aeon, but instead reflects a deep, inherited structural bias embedded in the conformal boundary conditions between aeons.

>In this view, the physical laws and quantum field configurations at the terminal state of one aeon — dominated by massless radiation and gravitational imprints — act as an informational substrate. These inherited constraints do not transmit matter or specific molecules, but rather encode organizational biases that influence the probability landscape of early molecular self-assembly in the succeeding aeon.

>>212452767
Gotta get back, back to the past. Samurai Jack.

>Explain Alien 1 not being canon
Kane is still stuck in a coma from the facehugger attached to his head. Everyone survived and the bonus situation got resolved. Kane got a bonus. :)

>Explain Hadley's Hope & Nostromo not exploding
It was all a simulation. MOTHER got asked to simulate the explosion. Also they teach you in training how big the explosion is through videos. :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YouCsxnnMLY&ab_channel=Reality

>STOP IT STOP IT
Uchiha Madara created a giant lotus flower and everyone is stuck in a biological Matrix pod dream in their own little nightmares. :)) Get back in the bean pod, wagie.

Species is canon to the Alien universe
Blade Runner is also canon to the Alien universe
Sean Connery's Outland 1981 happens in the Alien universe.
>Stopp you're not making any sense how can both Earths be canon!!!
*Licks tongue*
No, don't pull off the Marvel AU
Oh nno I got something even better.
>Oh phew
TEMPORAL DISTORTION!
>Oh God
INSIDE A DREAM
>WHAT?

The Space Jockey dreamed it all up that he was being rescued. :D
> >:O >:O You can't do that!!
But the Space Jockey is stuck in a distortion time loop ;D but he's attached to a chair so it doen't even matter that he's in a timeloop since he's also stuck in a dream. He's a dream walker trying to access people's dreams outside the timeloop to ask for help.
I AM COMBINING A TIME LOOP AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM IN 1, MORTY.

AND I'VE GOT 1 MORE SURPRISE FOR YOU >:D
THE SECRET IDENTITY OF THE SPACE JOCKEY IS NONE OTHER THAN-ACKKHHHH

>>212452866
Understandable but if I personally bought everything I read I would be uber broke.

>>212453161
The secret identity of the Space Jockey is none other than....

>>212453231
IT WAS HIM, ALIEN FANS. IT WAS HIM ALL ALONG.
HE DREAMED IT ALL UP. HE GOT ALIEN MESSAGES FROM ACROSS THE GALAXY AND DREAMED IT ALL UP.
Hans Ruedi Giger IS THE SPACE JOCKEY. THE ABYSS STARED AND GIGER STARED BACK AS HE SMILED AND LICKED HIS LIPS AND SAID "I have the weirdest boner right now."

>>212453278
The Space Jockey sat upon his throne of death and skulls pondering and tulpamancing nightmares.

Xenos as a bioweapon COULD be perfectly viable IF you genetically modified them to have an expiration date. Say you bomb your enemies with eggs, they hatch, infect, multiply, kill, then after 2 weeks, all your Ayyliums die off. All that would remain is Alien mold or maybe that too would expire after a while.

>>212453278
For the longest time I thought the creator of the Alien was an old woman. I thought HR Giger was an old woman. I've seen a lot of old fat grannies in my lifetime so naturally I thought pic related was just a really pervy granny since it would also explain the obsession with dicks and being so shameless about sex and it's usually ugly women that are the most sick and twisted of them all to dream up and draw such stuff.

>>212453460
Well that is the plot point of Blade Runner which Ridley wanted to introduce to the Alien but it didn't fit with the final scene... albeit in the final scene Ridley also wanted The Alien to kill Ripley so Ridley wasn't a very objective guy with his ideas. He also wanted the Alien to be a contortionist that can trasnform into a biomecha cube, almost like a Transformer. >>212447591 Transformer's Cybertron would like a word with you among many other films with exotic worlds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVMtqrfEAzg&ab_channel=MovieClipMicrocosm-whatmoviesmeantous.

>>212453682
> in the final scene Ridley also wanted The Alien to kill Ripley
God bless whoever kept him from going full retard and doing that.

>>212446954
>like every single predatory creature ever?
In real life, there is no animal that just kills everything on-sight. Most predators avoid confrontations at all costs unless they feel threatened. If you unleashed a grizzly bear on a ship, it wouldn't be an Alien situation. The comics (ambiguous canonicity but they're still fresh in the minds of Alien fans) take this even further by showing in an experiment how xenomorphs are so impossibly aggressive that they'll choose to attack a living creature (and not eat it) even when given the choice to eat instead. Their prime instinct is to kill, which isn't how animals work irl. We actually don't even know if xenomorphs EAT, as it's never shown in any film or any material for that matter, so some materials go as far as to say they don't eat at all, making their physiology even more impossible.
>They're not durable whatsoever.
Huh? They're almost unkillable. The flamethrower only pisses it off, it can survive easily in the vacuum of space, and not even the ship thruster at the end of Alien killed it. The only thing that can hurt it are pulse rifles, which are insanely high-caliber. Practically 40k bolters

>>212445263
>about to eat some guy
>suddenly he starts bleeding and shitting all over himself
I would leave too.

Here is your space jockey, bro. Here is your Destroying Angel, bro. Concept art from Spirits Within. A very peculiar IP that tried to pull a Prometheus but even more fucked up where it was a completely different IP attaching itself to a known IP such as Final Fantasy.

>>212454256
This Jap artist did concept art for Men In Black 1, but the Americans decided to go with the less biomechanoid looking creature and instead with the more traditional looking walking cockroach.

>>212454256
Every Final Fantasy was different from each other though

>>212454477

>>212453460
RPG did thus with Biodrones.

>>212454507

>>212454607
>Alien RPG
I assume it's some kind of tabletop?

>>212454787
Yeah.

>>212454882
Can you play this on your own if you're a friendless loser? Asking for a friend.

>>212454933
The 'evolved edition' second printing comes out this year with solo play rules. Don't be frightened anon, go out there and find an online rpg group to play with. It's quite the simple game to pick up. Get the starter set and a shit ton of D6 dice.

>>212454746
Do you think we'll ever see the Perfected on screen?

>>212455066
>The 'evolved edition' second printing comes out this year with solo play rules. Don't be frightened anon, go out there and find an online rpg group to play with. It's quite the simple game to pick up. Get the starter set and a shit ton of D6 dice.
Thank you.

>>212451732
The Expanse, if you can just pay attention to the overarching story and piece it all together

>>212455089
Facebook and the official discord server are a good place to look for people to play with. All you need is a microphone and some sort of platform to talk over.

>>212445809
>turning rock into acid

>>212454607
>Biodrones
kek
Bioware cucks.

>>212453009
>Ripley had a bad dream
based

>We made it, Sweetie. We're home.

>>212455188
DING DONG BANNU

>>212454746
Was David trying to turn Shaw into this thing?

>>212455066
Fulfremmen from DUNE's Fremen ;)?

>>212455234
It's Anglo-Saxon for Perfected.

>>212455217
END OF RINE

>>212453161
>Everyone survived and the bonus situation got resolved. Kane got a bonus.
This makes me happy.

>>212455225
From what I read he tried to make her into a Queen.

>>212451544
I sure would, I loved Scorn.

>>212454256
I liked them. Don't know if I'd want to see more of them though

>>212444293 (OP)
my headcanon is that there is a planet of primordial goo, which is the ayylmao's origin point. A place in the universe that teems with highly potent and virile life. Engineers didn't conceive it; they found it and then made use of it

The point of xenomorphs is that they mix and match with existing lifeforms, not have a ''home planet'' of their own with culture, architecture, history or some other dumb shit
I dare to say that it fits the IP better than nearly any other explanation

>>212455225
It's not confirmed, but the RPG leans this way.

>>212453166
I would be too, so I either get them out of the library or I pirate the audiobooks.

Blomkamp has made a few stinkers, but sometimes he knocks it out of the park. I would have loved to see his take on the story. Would have been at the Aliens time period. Best aesthetic and technology. FINALLY getting to Earth and actually using the alien for biotechnology.

>>212455112
I will look into it, thank you anon.

Indeed xenos always come off as weak when you see Predators mauling them easily.
Xenos always face off the weakest opponents namely an incompetent company hiring the most cheapskate of cheapskate workers to throw out the trash. Even Weyland Yutani's "elite" dog hounder soldiers still use those cheapo weapons. The pulse rifle's 9mm casings makes me call out what a tiny penis it has. 9mm is a joke in real life.
The xenomorph's lack of reproduction with each other also makes them come off as incredibly weak and the reason why a parasite by itself cannot be considered perfect. Also if our own viruses haven't wiped out the bacteria then it means viruses are quite weak.

Rewatching Alien 1,2,3,4 we can analyze quickly why xenos are considered weak.
1. Truckers with a traitor among them no less
2. Youngsters/Rookies which killed themselves I shit you not. They killed 8+ marines because they panicked and blew themselves up or flamethrowered themselves. Plus an incompetent general or whatever Gorman was. Plus a traitor among them. Plus environmental factors. Plus "No bullets allowed, roflmao". Plus "Lol no calling for backup. Can't orbital strike despite having the nuke at your disposal". By all logic in an open field even with the incompetent marines they should have killed 150+ Aliens because the Aliens could not reproduce anymore soldiers and they needed the hosts alive(supposedly) , that's why we need to call this first iteration of Cameron aliens highly primitive and not canon for them to even withstand a war against the most incompetent of companies. The Company aka Weyland is also parasitic in nature to the Alien franchise and must be killed off.

Weyland would get its ass kicked by the government or a competent company and not another cheapskate like Seegson Synthetics.
Even Stargate's and Dune's factions which are relatively weak compared to Warhammer would completely whip the floor with Weyland. Only in delusional fanfiction would Weyland ever win.

>>212455455
>. I would have loved to see his take on the story.

Look at what you posted and be honest, is that really a thing you'd want to see?

It looks fucking retarded and I'm glad it didn't get made. It was also pretty infantile in its ambition to retcon A3 completely. Absolute pussy bitch intent.

>>212455643

3. No guns allowed in a prison. I'm surprised the Alien didn't kill them faster or everyone didn't run outside.
4. No acid protection prison cells for the Alien, you can't explain that. And for some reason Aliens are bothered by hot steam (thanks Alien 1).
Everything needs to rebooted, nothing makes sense. It's unfinished fanfiction. The mess of a production is a testament to the pisspoor mismanaged world design and lack of standards. There's no 1 authority, it's nothing but freelancers akin to Weyland Yutani hiring the dumbest freelancers on the cheap.

Let's take hot blonde girls from Metroid & Species and insert them into Aliens. Samus will appreciate fighting something that looks respectable and not a green jellyfish or a brain in a jar or giant crows. Just like the AVP series, the aliens need the predators. Let's take Warframe, let's reboot this whole shebang.
No volcano planet for the aliens, no creep, no James Cameron alien goo, instead Derelict HR Giger artwork and more artwork all over the Alien's planet. Coils, wires, pistons, gun mechanisms, spikes, skulls up the wazoo, Mario.

>>212455644
Yes? It's literally what every movie has always been about. Getting the stupid xeno, studying it, making stuff with it. The series has ALWAYS been about merging with technology. It's essentially what the Space Jockey was. Putting xeno stuff onto/into humans is grotesque and horror, but also makes them hardy and powerful etc. The idea has been around since the 80's. And yeah, it's much better than any of the shit they made instead which is just retreading the same and memberberries

>>212446381
The mercy grenade toss, can't forget that one.

>>212455772

>>212444930
I like the ridiculousness, reminds me of Warhammer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0jaxb94Fc&ab_channel=AdultSwim

>>212453812
No animal indeed unless it's mentally insane. Perhaps a virus or a bacteria instead >>212444438
Bacteriophage viruses are also natural and have been here since the dawn of time, quite the structural perfection. The perfect organism and a survivor. Bacteria & Viruses make us whales look like chumps and delusional richfags waiting to be eaten by them.
>Huh? They're almost unkillable. The flamethrower only pisses it off, it can survive easily in the vacuum of space, and not even the ship thruster at the end of Alien killed it. The only thing that can hurt it are pulse rifles, which are insanely high-caliber. Practically 40k bolters
Xenomorphs are like big tardigrades. "Seemingly" impossible to kill if left on their own in various environment but simply squashing them is enough. There's also a species of worm or eel that constantly regenerates from the smallest biomass if you cut it.

Xenos in their primitive forms just like most secluded introverted killers are always weak in organized wars full of artillery, vehicles, logistics. People compare them against war-ready Tyranids/Zergs that completely whip the floor with the xenos.
Here you'd like to take a page out of the warframes from Warframe and even they didn't do so well with the war. Albeit the warframes would stand more of a chance against the guards in Blame! than the primitive xenos that can barely withstand an unarmed Predator.

>>212455832

The signifiance of the perfect organism should be that of a primordial soup and DNA itself. Practicing dark arts akin to a Lich for good in reviving the dead hence the Necronomicon inspiration.
Skeletons and metal mix exceptionally well, Giger got lucky. Skeletons & guns. But when it's white or yellow it looks like easy to break porcelain, resin, silicone. Perfect fit for Hollywood's props. The skull looks realistic because it is an actual skull. Many people kept faking bones.

>>212455786
The Alien has always been in that "I thought it was more serious and down to earth" problem where the Alien people supposedly wouldn't accept GI Joe, Command & Conquer and Superman tier abilities despite them accepting many other things.
They're afraid of the atmosphere of it feeling like a campy GI Joe organization for 12 year old appeal and they much appreciate the silly wagecuck Weyland Yutani and Nostromo's coddled up pillows like you're in a mental asylum...

Blomkamp would have made a living Dark Horse comic book. Similar to how Warframe is a hedgepodge of Star Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer 40k that nobody can figure out what direction and atmosphere it wants to go for.
I do not speak for that anon for I refuse to defend people who do not know what they want just like I'm tired of artists taking credit for my interpretation of their art... I'd grab the atmosphere and world design of Blame! I would have liked Alien 3 & 4 to be The Shawshank Redemption levels of good.
Ironically from rewatching Alien 1 & Alien 2 I have noticed how wholesome it is, one of the most wholesome horros possible ... even the video games had the balls to kill the cat and kill the lady setting off the self destruct sequence because that's normally what happens in horror ... Alien 1 & 2 are as anti horror as they come, that's why everybody hates Alien 3, it's a prison story with the atmosphere of a prison, not Disneyland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXPvuCb6hs&ab_channel=MovieBallsDeep

Hello, Ripley.

>>212446393
the term is actually gaslamping and refers to old gas street lamps people used to gather under and converse
the fumes would make them delusional and misinformation would spreand around

>>212444293 (OP)
i always thought they were parasites that evolved to feed on the remains of fallen space faring civilizations; titanium and nuclear power. they need titanium for their bones and i assumed the queen got energy from the nuclear reactor since she lays all of her eggs over it in Aliens, best place to get those two things would be abandoned space outposts. of course all the newer movies ruin all that and now they're just some christian bullshit.

>>212457713
kek

>>212454660
basedjak on the right

The alien ship in Alien was originally just supposed to be a floating prison colony for all the rude xenomorphs. The original concept for Alien 3 was to meet nice xenomorphs that are very friendly.

>>212452105
Decker? He's an empath, and it makes sense why.

>>212447863
>Speaking of comic book adaptions did any of you read Alien Labyrinth?
I presume you're the same anon that brought it up about a month or so ago, or maybe longer if I'm mixing it up with a different thread. I read it, I didn't like it.

>>212450264
Ayooo Hol up, so whatchu sayin' is we coulda had an Alien x Species crossover?! Imagine them xenos face hugging them fine shapeshifting alien bitches.

>>212444293 (OP)
>he didn't watch all the movies

>>212447863
>did any of you read Alien Labyrinth?
Yeah I did. Read it like 6 years ago or something. Couple cool ideas, like for example the idea that the Ayys see the same way sharks do, but it was way too edgy for my taste. Like the part where the Xenos feed the guy human flesh and try to force him to have sex with his decaying mother.

>>212456100
Based Warframe enjoyer, although I would have to say the introduction of lore has been a double edged sword beginning with the emo teenager operators. Honestly hated the idea of leaving the suit to fight genetically enhanced soldiers and mutants armed only with an amp

>>212446798
>video game fags are eating good compared to us /tv/ & /co/ fags
sometimes,
most of time they just eat diarrhea of spic & jeet waifufags
it's clearly one of the worst board, same goes to /a/
>>212454289
wow that's fucking cool thanks

>>212453460
my headcanon is still that space jockeys needed to breed xenos to refine the bugs into black blood. Which is a extremely potent mutagen and basic building material for designing all biomechanical structures/creatures. Thus so called engineers were created and imprinted with a need to seed earth likes across the cosmos to serve as pool of hosts for farming xenomorphs

Weyland-Yutani was on a similar track by tacking an interest in their unique physiology for new alloys, vaccines, mutagens etc. They had not discovered how to program the black blood yet or even quite clear what it is exactly but were heading down a similar path

all of this bioweapon nonsense comes from ripleys short sighted speculation as neither alien 1,2 or 3 never specifies what exactly they want to do with the xenos

>>212454256
>>212454289
>bipedal humanoid
into the trash it goes. They are created for specific purposes and are between machine/computer and a living, evolving thing

>>212457804
good idea but in alien 2 they nest under the cooling tower because of the warmth. they are right under the heat exchangers

>>212455643
>Plus an incompetent general or whatever Gorman was
gorman wasnt exactly incompetent, you can see a little competence start to build up by the end of the movie by some of his decisions

he was just absolutely green, inexperienced and fresh out of the academy. The marine platoon was also not rookies, they were seasoned soldiers with some of them at the end of their tour. They just lost their NCO immediately which decapitated command as gorman was not up for the job

reason gorman was even put on this detail was also not unreasonable. Command assumed it was a downed transmitter fault they lost contact with colony and sent the baby lieutenant out with a small, single marine platoon to do some practice doing real dropship deployments and basic command experience on the ground. If they had taken Ripleys warnings seriously there sure as shit wouldn't have been a single marine platoon on that gigantic ass ship. There would have been a single man, a one man army, the best of the best

>>212461062
I honestly like the thing Romulus did with having the black goo exist but having it come from Big Chap. I can live with the goo if they just keep it like that.

>>212457713
You're gaslamping me!

>>212461398
yeah that is what I was also implying. The black blood (the shit in the urns of prometheus) is all refined from xenos and their cousins like the deacon. Its incredibly powerful and violent mutagen

what was their tax policy?

>>212461574
72 of your finest virgins every year as new hosts for the eggs. in return you get to keep your life

See-through Xenomorph? Translucent xenomorph.
https://youtu.be/tuEtU_qvNmM?t=193
Documentary about David Attenborough visits LV-426 | DOCUMENTARY? yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJiayAS1Ks&ab_channel=XingRepublic
Alien is a Ghost Story? Alien is a Ghost Story.
https://youtu.be/KJjfdjJRbdQ?t=203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAhxchX38rM&ab_channel=LonelySamurai%E5%AD%A4%E7%8B%AC%E3%81%AA%E4%BE%8D
Lily CAT? Lily CAT.

the creature is so much scarier when it's 10+ ft tall

>>212454660

>>212444293 (OP)
>Patrice O'Neal's
>That Darn Pussy

>>212446012
Alien 3: The Shawshank Redemption
Alien 4: 90 minute music video of dead Ripley having HR Giger dreams.

>>212456813
>What did you do?
>I went downstairs. I crept up into the room. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to.
>And what did you see, Ripley? What did you see?
>Lambert. Lambert was screaming.
>They were slaughtering Lambert?
>And she was screaming.
> And you ran away?
>No. First I tried to free her. I... I opened the gate to the door, but she wouldn't run. She just hung there, headless. She wouldn't run.
>But you could and you did, didn't you?
>Yes. I took one limb, and I ran away as fast as I could.

>>212459355
Kek what if a facehugger facehugged a xenomorph? Kek.

The franchise really needs to spin-off into white-collar jobs with white-collar looking actors. The xenomorph ends up being the only attractive creature in the franchise together with David.

The Xenomorph could fit well in Riddick's world and Riddick could fit well in Alien 3.

>>212467430
isnt there a new riddick happening?

>>212445806
>Also, the Yautja (AKA Predators) are involved somehow
Yautja are not canon to Alien, but xenomorphs are canon to Predator.

>>212467735
No, Vin got fat

sneed

>>212467925
that's a solvable problem

I’d forgotten what an absolute shit show this series turned into. Wish we could go back to it just being some weird bug some retards stumbled upon

>>212451144
So then just nuke the fucking planet moron fucking lmao

>>212448363
The original Alien concept was that they would eventually have another metamorphosis and become sapient snake monsters.

>>212451419
Romulus was good. I havent been on tv in forever so idk what the general consensus was on it when it came out but i loved it.

>>212444989
>evolution would create a species that destroys the planet by breeding

>>212469158
The black pill of evolution is that the species that out competes everything else in their environment, leads to the death of said environment.

>>212446798
>/tv/ and /co/ out of nowhere
I fucking hate /a/spics like you pal, stop whinning, why don't you just go back and 'have blast' on 'superior board' which is jeet mods + dbzspicfaggy generals? morelike, why don't you go back to boarder?

>>212461382
But they did take them seriously they just ignored them

>>212446340
She cute

>that time Walter Hill and David Giler had the idea for the black goo and the Z-01 variant from Romulus, in 1987

>>212468491
That’s retarded

>>212469970
And they realised it was shit so shelved it

This deleted scene was fucking funny. Not many know it exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMLMWiQlCXQ&ab_channel=LaganRutin

>>212444293 (OP)
>In what world do you think xenomorphs come from?
How did this sound like proper English to you, Jose?

>>212468491
This is way more interesting than Cameron's bug shit, the only thing that's a bit odd is the Jockey being seemingly unrelated to them.

Here is your new main character, bro.

So does anyone know why the production company for Planet of the Apes had a much nicer relationship with Fox and a much easier time making their movies compared to Brandywine?

>>212448297
>Alien Earth Wars was a comic book from Dark Horse which later got turned into around 3 to 5 video games
??
???????
I played every avp including extinction and never heard of this

>>212444532
>>looks like a bioengineered alien
false premise
stopped reading there

This game was too easy, xeno is way too retarded.

>>212476091
If you play on lower difficulty than default, yes.

>>212448508
nice meme headcanon

>>212449034
>essentially canon
>ripley's daughter
no

>>212449245
That would be lame af

>>212459355
Species would need to be very sexy, very hot and very sexual, and you can't do that in current era

>>212450429
If it jumps the shark or contradicts what came before than it's not canon and doesn't exist

>>212476166
I played on the new super duper highest difficulty they added, which was still too easy

>>212451817
Then why dont they fucking do a movie about space monster killing people that isn't fucking Alien franchisefaggotry?
Is that hard?

>>212444293 (OP)
mars

>>212476283
I watched the movies which were way too easy. And I'm much smarter than you.

>>212444293 (OP)
>>212444373
The Xenos descend from the aquatic creature of Raised by Wolves, that got weaponized by the flying serpents that happen to be related to the facehuggers.

>>212478524
explained;
The "mother" bot got impregnated by one of the serpents due to it being attracted to the fuelgoo inside her. This caused it to mutate slightly in order to replicate the fuelgoo as a new source of food and/or reproductive viability. When it further mutated by eating the shamanistic tree, it turned itself into a technologic tree capable of producing this new goo for its other flying serpent kind. They used the inspiration of being born from inside the "Mother" bot as a proof of concept that inter-species survival tactics was viable even for them, as long as they were able to propagate the production of the fuelgoo.
This is why they created the Xenomorphs from the aquatic creatures, as they could implant their bioweapon altered aquatic species into the rival species during their own larval stage, in order to turn the biomass of the rivalling planet into fuelgoo which is able to bring them into the flying electric eel stage of their growth cycle past the facehugger stage.
The flying eels and aquatic creatures were related species of the same planet, which is why the aquatic species also had a torso-mouth as if the facehugger evolved into a humanoid form as opposed to an eel-based form.
The "Engineers" were the technocratic underwater relatives of the Eel monsters that now had been technologically boosted by the fuelgoo of humanitys droid tech, allowing them to turn the low-caste aquatic mermaids into Xenomorphs against the technocratic overlords...
Yes,- Raised by Wolves is in fact the communist manifesto of the Alien Kinoverse.

>>212461398
Or just admit that ridleyshit doesn't exist

>>212444293 (OP)
>>212444438

there was a dark horse comic where the xeno homeworld was just a regular alien world with giant animals living on it, and the xenos werent even the top critter because all the megafauna would just casually curb stomp them. xenos were basically the ants of that planet. Its only when seperated from their natural predator speices that they become extremely dangerous and out of control.

of course the ip owners decided to make all comics non-cannon when the promethius movie came out.

>>212468142
Yeah, just call it Fat-thick

>>212474119
>Cameron's bug shit,
Stop seething, retard.
Nobody will ever care about this meme

i want a movie with the WY commandos

>>212479314
Those guys were dumb as hell looking. Worst costume in a movie. It's just hockey padding and gear. Standard colonial marine equipment mogs them in every way

>>212479314

They were cool as fuck. Glad some of the games included them.

>>212479314
Cheap and slapped together shit just like the rest of the movie

>>212479314
Kino.

A shame about the sound effect for the pulse rifle tho.

>>212444293 (OP)
They were engineered by Ripley's granddaughter.

>>212453812
Of course xenos eat. They wouldn't be able to grow at all otherwise
>inb4 Romulus
non-canon trash

>>212480579
They don't eat. They absorb metals and inorganics. It consumed parts of the ship but not through its mouth. The whole point is that it's doing things strange and that we consider impossible. It's alien. If it's doing everything familiar, and was made by a human android and humanity's creators, then it's not fucking alien.

>>212479222
*FACEFUCKS YOU*
>You: AH AH AH NOO NOO MOMMY NO NOO AAAHH AHHH
I'm not your mommy, retarded zoomer. Zoom zoom are so easy to spot.
Mmmm tell your mom no more internet for at least a week.

>>212480839
Are you having a stroke?

>>212446381
So what you're saying is you love the human aspect of the ALIEN film.
i.e. the problem the series has.
>Muh Ripley lineage
>Muh human interaction
>Muh I CAN'T WAIT FOR ALIEN EARTH AND ALL THE HUMANS DOING HUMAN DRAMA THINGS WHILE THE ALIENS ARE JUST A SIDE ISSUE

>>212479314
Yes but not with this cringe version.

>>212481058
yikes yeah that's generic as fuck. no SOVL

>>212479222
>t. zoomer who saw Alien movies for the first time last week

If you put 5 xenomorphs with a queen and 5 nercomorphs with an obelisk on opposite sides of a planet which one ultimately takes it over?

>>212481980
That depends on the types of necromorphs. If they get one of the infectors, they need to make more necros, then my money is on them.
Otherwise the Xenomorphs would probably win. Though i dont know if the queen would know how to deal with the Marker, which might mean that the necromorphs would eventually take over the xenomorphs after they have already won.

>>212446954
Reminder that alien 3 shows a bug being submerged in boiling lead. Aliens has the queen surviving in a vacuum of space... they're much more durable than humans are.

right

>>212482300
Ripley technically also came out of the boiling lead alive. Though it took a bit more work.

>>212482300
The queen doesn't survive the vacuum. Just because she's flailing around doesn't mean she doesn't die an hour later

>>212481852
Nice projection, lonely schizo
Cry about your failed meme eternally

>>212482395
If the little dude from Alien 1 can survive being blown out of Ripley's escape shuttle and be picked up cocooned in Romulus, then the queen surely can

>>212482358
Cloning her from blood smeared on the walls isn't her coming alive after a lead bath.
>>212482395
If romulus is canon (I don't even want to go there) didn't big chap survive out in space for ages?

>>212482471
>If romulus is canon
Lol

>>212444293 (OP)

They were engineered by a gay robot.

>>212455455
Looks retarded anon.

>>212482471
The first movie tried to be semi-plausible, and space was so vast and empty. Then they bring this Romulus where the entire premise is crap. I absolutely despise when brainlet directors come on decades later and are like "yeah they'll just find this microscopic black thing floating in a billion miles of space that was lost years ago". So contrived and dumb. They can't even fucking find Ripley's lifepod that half a century. The directors are so opposed to finding eggs somewhere else and it's baffling.

>>212483201
ripley was not important to the company
finding where the nostromo last was and retrieving the organism was. all other priorities rescinded

>>212482333
You always say right to everything I post.

>>212448450

>The more things change the more they stay the same.

You're right and my history teacher from high school used to say that.

>>212483448
right

>>212479192
Those comics were fucking rad. The second series in particular with the airbrushed art was my jam. It was like Heavy Metal featuring Aliens. Having reread them recently I found the story a little more hit and miss than I remember but the general plot points were still way better than what the actual studio did because they were just straight sequels that followed to logic of the films, continued Hicks and Newt's story, and got the Aliens on earth which the movies never wanted to actually do for some reason. I'm glad they were able to rerelease the original versions without all those stupid edits where Newt and Hicks couldn't be called Newt and Hicks because of copyright bullshit.

And the ant comparison makes perfect sense if you've ever had ants in your house. Those little shits are relentless, methodical and indifferent in the face of death. If they were human-sized they would absolutely wreck our shit

>>212479192
Were those the comics that had !Hicks and !Newt (names changed for legal reasons but essentially the same characters) I remember books with them in and they were great

>>212449563
Where does he say this? Asking because I don't remember. Would be cool if he implied this.

>>212444293 (OP)
Is this game worth watching on YouTube for the story? I'm not a big gamer.

>>212483201
Yeah Prometheus really steered the franchise into a black hole

>>212483808
Nah not really, I can't remember any of the characters names or plot apart from Amanda and one of them is a synth.
Game is fun but about double the legnth it needs to be full of needless padding and filler

>>212483518
Say right one more goddamn time and you forfeit all your shares and bonus!

>>212451732
Prometheus

>>212484006
...

>>212483808
Yes, it is. But just know, the entire scare factor of it is based off you being in control and facing the xenomorph yourself. If you're just watching and she effortlessly evades it, you won't feel anything. Still really cool though and better than 90% of the Alien movies. The characters are great, though some left a bit to be desired. Ricardo was a great sidekick. Samuels was a bro android and should have been in Romulus. The Working Joes were a fantastic addition to the series as was Seegson Corporation. Marlow was great and actually believable as another ship captain just trying to get a payday and inadvertantly triggering a disaster

>>212444438
Peak midwit post

>>212481980
wouldn't the Marker just mind fuck the aliens eventually? the whole gimmick with the marker was the smarter you are the better you can translate the marker signal but if you're a retard or an animal you just go fuck nuts crazy.

Robocop vs Alien, who wins?

>>212483751
Fox let them use the character names for the first couple editions the got twitchy once Alien 3 came out because they didn't want a competing version of things so they made them change it. Which seems retarded since all the original stuff was already out there but that's studio logic for you. When Fox got sold to Disney they just went back to the original versions since Disney apparently isn't overly protective of characters another studio killed off decades ago.

The Alien and Predator stuff outside the films reminds me a lot of the Star Wars EU where a bunch of artists and writers who were really passionate about the material made enough content that the studios had decades worth of films pre-vizzed for them and just had to pick and choose which parts they thought would work best and instead they chose to use absolutely none of it. Because why adapt the stories fans actually seemed to like when you can have Damon fucking Lindelof ruin everything instead.

>>212445825
The poster looks much better than the movie itself

>>212483808
I wouldn't say so to be honest. The entire appeal is (You) being in the shoes of Ripley and getting immersed in the setting and what it truly feels like to be chased by an Ayylium.

>>212481058
I didn't know you also faced guys like this in dark descent, I need to come around playing that game

>>212484365
>shows a Queen
>shows a facehugger
>shows Prometheuses being attacked by both
>nothing like that in the movie
One of the biggest pieces of false advertisement I've ever seen.

>>212481980
Necros. Not even a contest. You can kill an Alien with a single well placed projectile. The necros are bullet sponges who can take way more punishment. And assuming the planet is occupied with humans (because otherwise neither colony is going to expand) then the Necros would rapidly outpace the xenos because their incubation period is minutes. Those fukcing infectors will produce another necro before you can even finish off the necro they just produced.

Although to be fair the necros are worse than Aleins because Dead Space was heavily influenced by Aliens. They basically looked at Aliens and tried to one-up it so the necros are Aliens on steroids.

I'm gonna say it, I love these globby little niggas like you wouldn't belive. Even if Covenant wasn't very good

>>212481980
From what I've gathered by reading the prequel comics, obelisks don't actually work that fast. Aliens do, especially if they're like the Romulus ones and only take like 30 minutes to mature.

>>212483808
It's a better Alien story than Aliens so if you find a well edited video why not.

>>212445365
>neither of these 2 scenarios make sense

It's almost like this Lindelof guy is a hack jew nepobabby who can't actually write

>>212451732
Lovecraft's stories.

>>212451144
>>212451696
neutron bombs

>>212447591
>no u see, audiences actually WANT the most boring slop we can dole out
>no I don't care to wonder why ratings and profits are crashing
Shalom

>>212448273
Absolute cope.

>>212463889
>attenborough
>not richard kiley
trash

>>212448363
>Destroying Angels
Since when was the Alien a mushroom?

>>212483808
>watching edited summaries of game stories on youtube instead of just playing the game on easy mode and at least getting some interactivity out of it

ISHYGDDT

>>212479314
kino costume design. I think AvP2 game also featured them

>>212481058
cringe. exact kind of shit these moden stock footage generators, aka """AI""", would shit out

>>212448363
I fucking hated this turn into deifying the Alien and putting it on a pedestal as some perfect species. They're just an extremely well-adapted obligate parasite. Which is all they need to be because they're just a species of space monster that eats people.

The idea that the Engineers, who are an actual highly advanced race, would come across what is essentially a species of giant insect and decide to worship it is absurd. The aliens are highly intelligent for being bugs. They have no written language, no technology, no art, no science...again, they're obligate parasites whose whole life is a quest for more meat.

>>212485393
i find playing games tedious and boring desu

>>212485688
>whose whole life is a quest for more meat.
Like ur mom

>>212486028
Got his sharktroon ass

New
>>212486129
>>212486129
>>212486129

>>212485688
Agreed that they don't need to be god beings, but they also are not literal bugs. They were just using that analogy to something familiar. They should remain alien creatures with all that entails. They shouldn't just be feral animals wanting to kill and eat animals then go into hibernation when it's done. That's stupid and boring. The idea that they create biological structures, statues, and transform the worlds into giger-esque nightmares was far better. They don't need to create art that we enjoy for it still to be art to them.

>>212451732
More sci-fi / fantasy than pure sci-fi but I think it fits

/tv/ bump limits after 300 replies? what a shit board. The normal is 500.