Thread 212451311

1984 version
>colorful
>Respects the worldbuilding and story
>Allows the viewer to interpret what's going on and why
>Characters feel very real and very passionate
>The scenes created are extremely elaborate and sci-fiesque

2021+
>dull
>Constant action
>Doesn't respect the story or worldbuilding, just scene after scene
>Scenes are so fast paced that you barely have time to interpret what's happening
>ugly actress for Chani
>actors feel uninspired and dull
>Minimalistic architecture, doesn't convey any sense of wonder

Seriously what the FUCK is wrong with Hollywood.

>>212451311 (OP)
based and true

>>212451311 (OP)
I will always love Dune even if David Lynch didn't

>Minimalistic architecture
Absolute retard wants to be taken seriously.

SOUND BASED WEAPONRY

VOCAL RAY GUNS

>>212452473
Dunc looks like a cheap screensaver

>>212451311 (OP)
2021+ is the Daniel Craig Bond-ization of Dune.

>>212452609
And you didn't even understand the architecture style it used.

>>212452473
Uh oh looks like I angered the npc

>>212452634
Yeah bro this is so cool, I'd totally wanna live in this desaturated concrete piece of shit.

Wow look at how inspiring!

lynch's dune is unfortunately about 30 mins of kino and the rest is special effects that he attempted but weren't quite there yet. i really dont even care about action set pieces because i'm not 13 anymore but the worm riding scene, the scene where they orbital strike the base, basically anything involving a green screen is just cringe-inducingly bad. which is kinda insane because this scene >>212452570 looks incredible. lynch also went overboard on the grotesqueness of the baron like he was remaking eraserhead, only this is a scifi epic adaptation and not his personal emotional story of the fear of fatherhood. and of course the story is incredibly rushed, to the point of whiplash in the 3rd act where lynch just timeskips to the end so they can fight the big bad. it is of course more aesthetically pleasing aside from the above because it was shot on film with real sets and real people but thats not enough to make it a good movie

>>212452661
>This was Muad'Dib's achievement: He saw the subliminal reservoir of each individual as an unconscious bank of memories going back to the primal cell of our common genesis.

I will always love David Lynch's Dune

>>212452985
I actually liked the Harkonen design. It was eerie.
But then again, they went with the gay, "Muh White Supremacist Villain" archetype.

sorry you dont like it anon I do
I am ready for galactic jihad

my favourite part of Dune 2 is when the Baron is watching Feyd Ratha use his genius strategy of "shoot on top of their shelter" and the Baron is amazed at the genius high IQ strategy

>Old fashioned artillary.. genius.. we're literally burying them under molten rock

And it's literally exactly what Rabban did. He shot missiles at their shelter. He was just given shittier equipment?
Poor old Stellan Skarsgard doing his best to sell the line.

>>212453219
They don't really use artillery and conventional weapons because shields completely nullify anything with high velocity.
If you're wearing a shield you can literally stop a tank round from hitting you.

>>212453280
I really don't want to argue about this, it's dumb, just accept it, it's fine, it's a stupid line, it is what it is

>>212453219
Funny thing about Rabban was also how he was fully in the right, he didn't believe they were wiped out and they should keep on scouting the world for them.

>>212453353
whys he wearing a garter belt

>>212452838
Maybe Lynch really identified with the Elephant Man, even if he paraded around like a chad.

>>212451311 (OP)
The 84 version was still shit. It may be considered better than the new version but it's still a crap ass movie.

>>212451311 (OP)
2001 made for tv syfy version is still the most accurate to the books. I'll die on this hill.

>>212451311 (OP)
DUNC is so shit penis should be flogged to death
had lynch had 5-6 hours to work with penis would flog himself to death

>>212452661
This is what I imagined it to look like while reading, the aesthetic of the new movies is fucked

>>212453240
man DUNC is shit, I forgot they didn't even include his sister. I haven't watched it since release, do they literally just go from
>paul joins the fremen
>jessica drinks water of life
>paul rides worm
>attack on emperor
without any sort of time skip? i guess that means his son got cut too

>>212451311 (OP)
Old. 1984 feels like a temporary bout of schizophrenia if you've ever read the book. DUNC is much better.

>>212451311 (OP)

And you get to see a stage 4 guild navigator in Lynch's Dune.

>>212453884
>>212453757
and thufir's entire plot was dropped lmao

>>212451311 (OP)
Lynch is trash and that 1984 abomination proves he can't direct for shit.

>>212452744
>>212452841
>>212453507
New Dune is so fucking bad. The shilling campaign here when part 1 came out was embarrassing. Soulless bland piece of shit

>>212451311 (OP)
I miss analog camera in cinema. The digital camera makes everything look so garbage.

>>212451311 (OP)
And yet 1984 version was still shit.
Explain

>>212454226
Looks like a shittier version of Mordor

>>212453954
>He suspects the wrong person, does nothing, gets jerked around by the Harkonnen and then dies for nothing
Great plot

>>212454267
Movies that were 5/10 back in the day are basically 10/10 nowadays considering how far the standards have dropped.

>>212453757
A timeskip is bullshit for a visual medium, having him rise meteorically makes him a far more credible and noticeable threat if anything. The dead son plot was also deservedly cut

>>212454359
true it got in the way of throat singing, zendaya staring at the camera, and desert shots

>>212454442
Fuck yeah, Salusa Secundus was the shit

>>212454411
5/10 is overly generous, it's a 3 at best

This is my mom Lady Jessica!

>>212454657
This looks like ass, Star Wars came out 7 years earlier and blows it completely out of the water

>>212454517
If Lynch's Dune is a 3, Dunc is a 0

>>212454219
IIK OOK EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>212454929
>If a poorly-directed piece of shit that derailed the director's entire career is bad, then the well-made blockbusters are worse
Nice mental gymnastics, tard boy

>>212455092
It's amazing how every word in your post manages to be wrong.

>>212455332
When you're this delusional, reality can look amazing

>>212452838
>lynch also went overboard on the grotesqueness of the baron
I FAR enjoy Lynch's Harkonnens above Dunc's shitty pale bald men. They come off like real people that are vile, dispicable, and diseased. Dunc's are just comicbook evil villains

>>212453757
his son dying adds nothing especially when the next book is all about having a kid and never mentions the dead kid from the first book

>>212455665
The fucking door does it for me

>>212455710
>They come off like real people that are vile, despicable, and diseased. Dunc's are just comicbook evil villains

>>212455710
>Anon's too retarded to appreciate Stellan and wants Mr. Syphilis farting around and drooling at Sting while Bluto drinks lizard juice

>>212451311 (OP)
I'm not a fan of this franchise, but I think the first adaptation is better than the newer and more resentful one.

>>212455563
I see
That must be why Dunc looks acceptable to you

>>212451311 (OP)
the original sets were made out of solid mahogany, they spent a fortune on them, also dave hinted at finally being ready to look at the footage again for the first time since it came out, right before he died. The original cut was like four hours long.

>>212452918
thats the Eraserhead guy on the right

>>212455910
>I'm not a fan of this franchise
Me neither.
Dune sucks.
Lynch's version was an improvement on the novel.
Star Wars was a better update of the whole idea.

>>212456055
kill yourself

>>212455938
>That must be why you like good movies
FIFY, dead-dicksucker

>>212451311 (OP)
I knew the new version was slop when their military lost to guys who used their jetpacks to get behind their defensive line. Wouldn't they have known that would be something they could do?

Dune is a spiritually ugly story for ugly people.

>>212456218
>I knew the new version was slop when their military lost to the best army in the galaxy backing up another army after their entire air defense system was disabled by a guy nobody expected to betray them
Retard

>>212456240
Why the aren't you a fan then?

>>212456131
>liking that slop
Either a pajeet or a spic.

>>212454293
Looks like an asshole

>>212456294
Because it's a spiritually ugly story for ugly people.

>>212456300
>Retards who unironically like Lynch's dogshit think they're normal
Then again you're a retard, so I don't know what I expected.
Hey retard, tell me your favorite Agent Cooper line and three of your favorite terrible scenes?

>>212456404
So why aren't you a fan then?

>>212454760
Only good part of Dunc

>>212456451
Think about it really hard

>>212456489
Because you don't own a mirror?

>>212456404
How do you feel about Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe? It will never, ever get a film adaptation for many, many reasons. I enjoyed the 1984 version of Dune, tried to read the books but couldn't get into it.

>>212456544
I own a mirror, so that can't be it.

>>212456598
You're blind?

>>212455710
I agree perfectly. Also Lynch at least touched on the baron being a creepy homofag, while new kyke version just makes him a natsee.

>>212456611
>Gay erasure is suddenly bad

>>212456561
It doesn't interest me.
I'm not going to say it's "an ugly book", because I haven't read it and wouldn't know.
Dune I have read and if nothing else, with Frank Herbert's love of ecology, it helped me conclude personally that nothing good ever comes out of a desert.

>>212456609
I can see fine, so that can't be it.

>>212456689
Have you actually looked in the mirror?

>>212456639
NTA, but as a gay, I do actually like the Baron scenes in Lynch Dune a lot.
Incredibly dark. I can understand if Lynch wanted to distance himself from the movie because of that.
But it's also literally the ONLY example I can think of of anything like that being put to film, and it feels like the most artistically interesting parts of the movie.

>>212456787
Lynch put it in because it's distracting nonsense that has no impact on the plot. He loves adding gross shit for no reason

>>212456709
Certainly!
I look alright, have been more handsome in my youth, but (ignoring your awful attempts at "comedy") I mean to say Dune is a spiritually ugly story, for "ugly people" in the deeper sense of the words.
I would not trust anyone who loves Dune as a novel, and especially no one who loves the Dunc films.

>>212456639
It's being willing to depict gays (or blacks or whatever) as anything other than upstanding, witty, charming and intelligent. Modern Pedowood will ONLY depict straight white men as villains, not womyns, not gays, not bipocs- nothing that doesn't suit their narrative orthodoxy.

>>212456857
I'm sure he put it in for other reasons than that.

>>212456955
>I look alright, have been more handsome in my youth
Your mom's opinion doesn't count

>>212451311 (OP)
I'll give it this
2021+
>Paul actually looks like a teenager.

>>212456988
Because he was a gross weirdo who liked pedophiles too much?

>>212451311 (OP)
Dunc was sooooo baaaaad

>>212456611
its in dunc its just more subtle

>>212453507
3d printed ahh armor

>>212455947
>right before he died
what a faggot.
well anyway I don't think more footage would save that film. it'd probably just be more exposition scenes.
kind of like how all the lost event horizon footage is just more gore scenes, and not more character/plot scenes that might add new novelty to the film

>>212457142
because he wanted to show that the baron is a pedo

>>212457024
My mom thinks I'm handsome it's true, but I'm counting the opinions of my ex girl and boyfriends

>>212457142
Lynch was definitely a red blooded heterosexual.
And I'm pretty sure he got flak at the time for making such a "homophobic scene".
I'm of the opinion the Harkonnen scenes are interesting and have artistic value.
At the very least you're never going to get a modern big budget sci-fi production that depicts a homosexual in such a grotesque way.

>>212457564
When? Sting's a 30 year old man and that boy he lustfully pulled a heartpump out of was in his 20s. Is there a deleted scene of him diddling that little girl?

>>212457648
>Guy with no standards thinks the people who fucked him had good taste
Hope you're not a bugchaser

>>212457758
(You)

>>212452661
BASED Jean Giraud's costume designer & set designer

>>212457648
>Lynch was definitely a red blooded heterosexual.
You can be hetero and still be an unmedicated, gross weirdo who makes terrible movies
>And I'm pretty sure he got flak at the time for making such a "homophobic scene".
He got enough flak for how terrible the movie was, who cares what faggots think?
>the Harkonnen scenes are interesting and have artistic value.
So they're worthless fluff?

>>212457935
>You can be hetero and still be an unmedicated, gross weirdo who makes terrible movies
I'd like to see one example of a movie which is, in your opinion "good"
DUNC is off the table since we already know it's bad.
You get one chance to prove your taste.

>>212451311 (OP)
i'm taking a guess.

>>212451311 (OP)
Kyle mogs

>>212451311 (OP)
>defending the goofy ass 80s dune
I will never understand the need for so many anons on this board who are ridiculously contrarian

>>212451311 (OP)
>Allows the viewer to interpret what's going on and why
Look I like Dune 84 but you know that's bullshit, otherwise there wouldn't be exposition voiceover every 5 seconds.

>>212453757
>What? They didn't include all the parts of the book that would've been the most difficult to adapt to film? How dare they!

>>212451311 (OP)
>1984 version
>colorful
For like 30 minutes. Then they get to Arrakis and it's just endless grey and orange.

>>212459051
The new one is just as goofy, the zesty harkonens the Jewish twink lead, the brown girl who can't act and is always comically seething.

>>212451311 (OP)
>>212452661
fucking this

holy shit i hate villenvue's bare minimum faggotry, hes not even slavic brutalism (which is focused on minimimalism and utilitarian material engineering) but rather just fuckin' lazy, period

>>212452972
TOPKEK

>>212453353
KINO

>>212454359
>Paul offers his life for his brother Thufir Hawat
>Thufir Hawat refuses to betray the family he has served for 3 generations
>Does instead
Thufir Hawat was the fucking man and youre a bitch

DUNC does a much better job of capturing the righteous hatred of Paul and the Fremen.

>>212460165
>Character that's a minor complication does nothing and dies
FIFY

>>212458107
Gummo's solid

>>212451311 (OP)
1984
>skipped half the book
>glazed over Paul and his mother's induction into the fremen
>made the voice some hacky fucking speaker gun
That movie is hot garbage. The new series has been far more respectful to the source material and did a good job recreating shit like Duncan's stand which the older version ruined.
If you have actually fucking read Dune you couldn't possibly prefer the 84 version. Unless you're a pissy boomer mad that his childhood schlock isn't standing the test of time.

>>212460317
Absolutely nobody liked the 84 adaptation of dune when it came out, this isn't even sincere nostalgia faggotry like you see with prequel tards, this is just pure contrarianism.

>>212452838
> basically anything involving a green screen
They didn't have green screen for that, dummy. Effects were matte paintings or hand drawn onto film reel. Everything you see in the old Dune is sans computer graphics of any kind.
In pic related, every single frame had to have the box drawn on for the shield.

>>212460405
>Excessive amount of effort was made to make this scene as retarded as possible
The casting's bad enough on its own but the block costumes are laughable

>>212460461
Well I think it's a better concept than a magical vibrator.

>>212460494
Shit Dune made by dead old man has Agent Cooper pit himself against a giant dildo machine. "Vibrating" holograms are also still 10x better than Minecraft rotoscoping

>>212455665
They are just hyper contrarian retards.
Fat faggots that have never for in except amongst other bitter retards here.
>new thing bad because zendaya

>>212460221
You mean the tard rage

>>212460259
That's cool.

>2025
>/tv/ still can't get over the fact that dune & dune 2 were critical;y, commercially, and culturally successful
kek

>>212460841
No, I mean the billions-must-die chud hate

>>212460904
But you don't understand, 10 minutes of the movie was spent on a mediocre actress, that means the whole movie is unsalvagable trash!

>>212452570
Babby has grown up

>>212453219
I adore dune and dune 2 but yeah this shit always takes me the fuck out, that and zendaya. pretty much the only two flaws with it though in my personal opinion

>>212460938
Yea, the tard rage

>>212461013
I assume it was more them underestimating the military strength of the Fremen, becoming complacent and only taking action by bombing a Sietch after new management took over. Or the Baron knew about it beforehand and pointed him in the direction to make Feyd look good.

>>212451311 (OP)
>>Jodo is too crazy
>>Suits replace with Lynch
>>Lynch is too crazy
>>Too late to hire someone else
>>Disfigure the final cut

>>212460984
don't get me wrong zendaya's character is my single biggest problem with the movie. Villeneuve seemed to believe she could be used to show the audience the debate paul faces (which in the book happens almost entirely in his own head), but she ended up coming across as whiney, bitchy, out of place and downright retarded (not to mention, disgustingly ugly and with zero chemistry with paul). Thankfully, the rest of the cast and the storyline is a fucking masterpiece, chalamet does an incredible job, and I can ignore her bullshit. I said it in another thread but I'd love a cut of dune that essentially removes as many of her scenes from the movie as possible without making the plot nonsensical.

the more interesting side of this is that I actually personally think dune 2 succeeds DESPITE villeneuve, in the sense that I think villeneuve is personally on the "political" side of zendaya (and case in point, her character is effectively like a modern human left-winger girl in terms of politics, vocabulary and morals), and forcefed his interpretation of her character into the movie to try and restrain the insane charisma of paul which goes against all of his political views. In the sense that paul is a radicalised terrorist warlord dictator dude imbibed with pseudo-divine power and starts a literal space jihad; which the movie does an incredible job of getting you completely on board with. every single person I know who saw it, especially men, have all said they are fully on paul's side and support him 100% and thought that chani was a nagging bitch. I fear that villeneuve may come back and rugpull us in the next movie by saying "actually, paul is... LE BAD!"

>>212461239
Why this interests me is that I can't reconcile how incredibly well the movie gets you hyped for the LISAN AL GAIB (which presumably, villeneuve intended?), and yet simultaneously, how obvious it is that villeneuve himself completely opposes paul and what he represents. It kind of reminds me of starship troopers, which makes post-racial space fascism look incredible despite verhoeven explicitly intending it to be a satire of said space-fascism.

Slightly related but I also don't understand why people seem to think paul is meant to be an antagonist in dune in the long run, the whole point is that that nigga can see the future and is doing everything he does because he knows it's the only way to save humanity from eventual extinction (no matter what). Everything, including his son's tyrannical reign, is justified by that. So why does everyone then come back and say that paul is meant to be a cautionary tale about the dangers of tyranny?

>>212461239
Chani's like that because her most consistent character trait is that outsiders are evil bastards or meddlers at best. That's the main reason she sees Paul as a charlatan who's manipulating her people for his own means, but her conflict is that she still loves a guy she sees as someone who'd destroy her people and their way of life

>>212461352
If you can't tell that Starship Troopers is satire of some blowhard's book you've never seen a Verhoeven film.
Paul's not necessarily a villain, just a misguided victim of fate from birth who leads a race of people to commit genocidal war.

>>212461470
>Paul's not necessarily a villain, just a misguided victim of fate from birth who leads a race of people to commit genocidal war.
yeah sure he's like that for the first bit of his journey until he gains the ability to see the future anon
at that point his actions cease to be for his own gain and become purely the "narrow way through" (aka golden path) that he needs to follow to save humanity from itself in the future
>>212461399
>outsiders are evil bastards or meddlers at best. That's the main reason she sees Paul as a charlatan who's manipulating her people for his own means, but her conflict is that she still loves a guy she sees as someone who'd destroy her people and their way of life
right, but the way this is handled is actually completely inaccurate to how she is in the books, destroys her character by reducing her to "paul becoming lisan al gaib is... LE BAD", and destroys your immersion by having her syntax, vocabulary, speech mannerisms and political views be directly analogous to current-day politics, e.g. her full-on reddit tier "religion is made up to manipulate the masses" schpiel (unlike pretty much every other character which fits distinctly into the wacky reality of dune). Her spite towards paul also come across as absurd within the context of the film itself - she doesn't approve of paul becoming the lisan al gaib despite being fully aware that this is the only option that not only he, but the fremen as a whole, actually have to survive. meanwhile in the books at this stage in the story she's fully supportive of paul iirc

>>212451311 (OP)
>ugly actress for Chani
Wrong

>>212461649
>yeah sure he's like that for the first bit of his journey until he gains the ability to see the future anon
He has precognition, that's it. It doesn't make him infallible and it doesn't make him less of a bastard for committing genocide. Just because he can reason with himself that argument doesn't hold up to normal people

>>212461162
>Lynch finally says he'd be interested in doing a director's cut
>dies
I'm sad.

>>212451311 (OP)
>2021+
>>dull
incorrect
>>Constant action
incorrect
>>Doesn't respect the story or worldbuilding, just scene after scene
incorrect
>>Scenes are so fast paced that you barely have time to interpret what's happening
incorrect
>>ugly actress for Chani
correct, fuck zendaya
>>actors feel uninspired and dull
incorrect with the exception of zendaya
>>Minimalistic architecture, doesn't convey any sense of wonder
yeah to some extent but the cinematography rescues it imo

why did nu-dune ruin alia?

>>212461755
Maybe I'm misremembering the books but isn't the whole point that paul has literally no choice in the matter since if he doesn't commit the genocide (and in the process establish himself and then his son as god-emperors) then the golden path (i.e. humanity's only narrow chanc at survival) becomes impossible and humanity eventually goes extinct? Surely that justifies the genocide? Sure, in the moment there can be commentary about why following a crazy dude into jihad is bad, but the overarching plot of dune entirely vindicates both him and his worm-god son's actions, unless I'm radically misremembering things.

>>212461649
>but the way this is handled is actually completely inaccurate to how she is in the books
So? It's an adaptation
>"paul becoming lisan al gaib is... LE BAD"
It's because she disagrees with the notion that the Lisan Al Gaib (a fabrication made up by the Bene Gesserit) should be a Fremen who'll deliver them on their own terms. She also knows Paul better than anyone and is the first one to realize how it's all smoke and mirrors and it frustrates her even more how it's working.

>MFW I enjoy all three Dune projects

The original movie, TV show, and DUNC all have pros and cons. I still rewatch them all.

>>212461871
Just because you "have no choice" the terrible shit you do isn't forgiven. And it's not really credible to say that his way is the only way because other what-ifs are worse. He also destroys Arrakis and the Fremen's way of life when he terraforms it according to his plan

>>212461881
>>but the way this is handled is actually completely inaccurate to how she is in the books
>So? It's an adaptation
yeah, but not a good one in my eyes
>>"paul becoming lisan al gaib is... LE BAD"
>It's because she disagrees with the notion that the Lisan Al Gaib (a fabrication made up by the Bene Gesserit) should be a Fremen who'll deliver them on their own terms. She also knows Paul better than anyone and is the first one to realize how it's all smoke and mirrors and it frustrates her even more how it's working.
right, and I'm saying that this version of her character, or at the very least the execution of it in the movie, makes her come across as out of place (in terms of her presenting herself in a distinctly contemporary manner), retarded relative to the plot as I said (where it's clear that paul and the fremen have literally no choice BUT this path), and ultimately, makes her seem just downright whiney, bitchy, and annoying, which is the real kicker for me.

>>212462023
She's basically the only sane Fremen because she's the only one who knows Paul and doesn't want to dance to his tune. I think it's more interesting than "agrees with Paul on everything, also has baby with him and baby dies"

>>212461971
okay so paul's dilemma is essentially the trolley problem, you can either
-pull the lever and kill the one person (actively commit the jihad and genocide billions in the present) in order to save the human race in the future (save the five people)
or do you
-let the tram run the five people over but keep your hands clean of any deliberate participation (not commit the jihad, but humanity goes extinct because of your inaction)
so really whether you side with paul or not comes down to which side of the trolley problem you believe in
I personally believe in pulling the lever

>>212462099
I'm okay with chani being the only fremen who 'gets' paul and I'm even okay with her acting as a foil for him. My problem is primarily the WAY in which it's done anon. If, for instance, her disagreements with paul came across in a way that actually fit in with the wacky alien ways of the fremen in dune and all the other characters, and her general disposition wasn't so bitchy and uncharismatic, then I could have been partial to this interpretation of her character. but as it happens, it was badly done, so the interpretation falls flat.

>>212451311 (OP)
Recently i watched all three films over a few days in the order of Dunc, Dunc 2, and Lynchkino
It really was noticeable to me as I did how lacking Dunc was. It was a visual feast in dolby vision on a bravia 9, i literally was squinting from the intensity of the explosion scenes during the night battle.
But then It was amazing to see the skill of Lynch, to cram that much of the weirdness, flavor, and authenticity of dune into so little time, with so little effort. It's a masterpiece. I can only imagine what kino might have transpired had he been given 3 films and modern effects to work with.

>>212462132
Because you have hindsight and a microscope into his brain. To everyone else he's either a divine emperor or a maniac who killed billions

>>212462233
right but we're not the people in dune, we're either reading the book or watching the movie, and in either case we therefore know he's in the right.

>>212462362
That's the point

>>212462402
??
so you agree with me then?

>>212462469
I'm saying you're biased, Paul would sound like a maniac to normal people and unless you venerate him you can't forgive him for genocide

>>212462549
so I've gone back right now and done some digging
apparently the books are a lot more ambiguous about
1. the golden path and paul's role in it
2. paul's motivations
3. whether everything paul does is actually strictly "the only thing he could have done" or whether in fact he willingly chooses to do bad things when he had other options, for selfish reasons
in this light then I think it's easier to consider the possibility that he is a tragic character

>>212452661
looks like something from 60s trek/dr who in a not good way

>>212452661
interesting that villeneuve decided to keep his stillsuit designs roughly analogous to lynch's
also are those three dudes on the left meant to be fremen lmao

Dune
Lynch vs Villneuve

Budget
42million in 1984 vs 165m in 2021 + 190m in 2024 (355m total)
(adjusted for inflation Lynch had $129.9 million)
- Lynch had 2.5 times less budget, yet delivered a unique and faithful portrayal of the novel using decent actors. That is a significant challenge for a director.

Running time
137mins in 1984
321mins in two movies (2021 + 2024)
- Lynch had to tell the Dune story in just over two hours, vs 5 and half. What a luxury to have audience time to waste. Lynch wins because he delivered the same story density in less than half the time. This is far more difficult for a filmaker adapting a well known dense novel.

Soundtrack
Toto + Brian Eno (1984)
Hans Zimmer (2021 + 2024)
+ the 1984 Lynch soundtrack is superior for the epic 'Main title' theme and the 'Prophecy Theme' by Eno. All zimmer soundtracks are exactly the same.

Box office
Lynch (1984) made 37.9m worldwide on a budget of 42m (a box-office disappointment)
Villeneuve made $410.6m + $714.7m ($1.125b total) on a budget of $165m + $190m ($355m total) (Major box office success)
- in raw numbers it is an easy win for Villeneuve, but reboot obesssed hollywood has the benefit of remaking what became a cult sci-fi classic.

Actors
These are all subjective choices, but Lynch casted more interesting choices when compared with the adequate but space filling choices of Villeneuve. The lynch mentats have charisma. The bene gesserit are serious. Paul, Leto, and Jessica are perfect. The Baron is a repulsive, murderious, sexual deviant. In contrast, Villeneuve fills his movie with names you know. They say the lines of the characters but it's wonka and aquaman and the chick from silo. Lynch casting Sting as feyd is so inspired and perfect its a great example of why he did this better.

Costuming
The Lynch Harkonnen outfits are perfect, as are the amazing guild navigator suspended in spice gas. The atreides military matches the novel, and the stillsuits are perfect. The shield special effect was not great in the 80s, but have a retro charm compared with the clinical accuracy of today. In contrast the armor Villeneuve used looks 3d printed and clunky for combat, and his harkonnen look like generic marvel villians. The Villeneuve Sardaukar were great but roughly a match for the grimdark industrial biohazard aesthetic Lynch gave them. Lynch wins.

Screenplay
Very subjective. If you like marvel action you will clearly like Villeneuve more, as he included long sequences of action special effects, some with no relation to the novel. Lynch had the additional challenge of a short time to introduce the characters within the dune universe. If you rewatch these two movies, the way Paul is shown to possess emerging bene gesserit training is subtle by lynch but blatant training at the breakfast table by Villeneuve. The Baron is shown to be a murderous fat schemer in both, but only Lynch shows his lecherous depravity. The bene gesserit are servants of the great houses and the emperor but manipulate the long game. Lynch shows them as servants with a plan, but for Villeneuve they are more powerful than the houses. The fremen are given the benefit of the extra screen time in the Villeneuve version, lynch introduces the weirding sound weapons not in the book. The worm models Lynch used look superior to the anuslike effort Villeneuve went with. Despite the weirding modules I prefer Lynch because of the dialog and feeling his characters convey. Chalamet and Zendaya are especially bland and angry when compared to the more complex MacLachlan and Young.

Overall
Lynch wins. Now go and see Wild at Heart.

>>212452811
Why are they inside an 18th century ship

>>212461239
I think Zendaya is hot. However, these movies still seem like worthless garbage to me. Dune (1984) Alternative Edition Redux [fanedit][MKV-FLAC-SUBS] did it better

>>212453757
Paul's son was pointless and the psychic fetus was less cringe than the fucking Emperor gawking at a monologuing toddler owning him epic style.
Only thing I missed was the traitor misdirection plot, but it wasn't very impactful and you can't fit everything into a movie.

>>212463150
Dune has like a hundred thousand years of history. They've circled back around to liking wood veneers.

>>212463009
>>212463042
>Two blogposts outlining how you're a fucking retard with terrible taste
What a waste of time that was

>>212463348
Lynch's Dune fit everything. Dunc didn't fit barely anything in two movies.

>>212463314
>hot
zoomers have shit taste.

>>212462186
>it was badly done, so the interpretation falls flat.
But she has to be Greta in space doe, what don't you fucking understand, anon?

>>212463413
It fit everything poorly

>>212454432
>A timeskip is bullshit for a visual medium
literally the opposite kek. The only things that should be shown on screen should be moving the plot along and what's interesting. There can be PLENTY of boring, tedious times when nothing is happening that don't need to be shown, so it skips ahead to the next event.

>>212463348
My fan theory is that Thufir Hawat is the guy screaming in agony during the Baron's oil bath, and that they probably tortured him to death. Making it more tragic in a way given how he's a very warm and kind man but a capable retainer

>>212463404
it's not for you

The new Dune is so EPIC. Every shot is EPIC, every line of dialogue is EPIC, people stare off into the far distance for no reason while EPIC music blares. It's just f*cking EPIC!!!

>>212463492
>The next event happens years later but we're not gonna show you what happened in between
What a momentum-killer that'd be. Either way it's better and more impressive how Paul wins over the Fremen in less than a year vs fucking around off-screen

>>212463505
Tough shit, faggot. "Verbose" monologues don't make a terrible movie less shit

>>212451311 (OP)
Both had pros and cons to all versions:
1984 version pros:
>more creative and imaginative then the others
>Sardaukar are more intimidating (as these inhuman suicide-chem troopers)
>better lore/world building (each faction is distinct)
>funny weird shit (like heart plugs and cat/rat milking
1984 cons:
>too weird for normies
>tone gets more intoxicated and tired as the movie gets on (like a bad high)
>Paul as an unironic Jesus
>baron/rabban being adhd manchild retards
2021+ pros:
>Fremen are better realized
>Feyd Rautha is much better (unless you love schlock)
>Pauls speech before the final battle is better then 1984 version
>Paul as a fake Jesus was better
>Jessica as a sociopath was better
2021+ cons
>the clinical, sterile, dull grayish-blue-green look
>Sardaukar being about as useless at SW battle droids was fucking stupid. They should have been extremely dangerous John Wick level fighters that even Fremen had a problem with until they learn bene gesserit techniques (for tension sake)
>Rabban going from psycho bad-ass in movie 1 to a scared manchild getting his ass kicked in movie 2 was stupid.
>Paul is too much of a prettyboy
>the dour miserable ("serious") attitude of 75% of the character gets grating

lynchs dune is one of those movies you watch when you're young and it makes a real big impression. its a movie that is very fun to think about, but as an actual movie its not very good. you can feel how restrained it is and how its pacing is extremely fucked. its very creative conceptually, but feels very cheap when you're actually watching it. almost feels like a cheap 60s movie or something. DUNC is complete shit too though. idk, i think dune is just an extremely hard IP to put to the screen.

>>212463459
A zoomer is the one who made that post. A black zoomer too.

>>212463459
woke hollyweird has finally reached it's final form and for the first time actually looks as it is written

>>212463787
Fair assessment, but also the Sardaukar were pretty useless in the book too. The fremen are whooping their asses off-screen all throughout part 3. Also the self-seriousness didn't bother me as much as the simplified contemporary dialogue dumbing everything down for the normies.

>>212463787
The Sardaukar are explicitly past their prime, whereas Leto seeks out the Fremen to try to bolster the already formidable strength of the Atreides legions. The fact they're fighting Fremen on their home turf with faulty intel is also a huge factor. I also like how Rabban's only confident when there's no credible threat against him since it also juxtaposes him with the far more capable Feyd. Paul works better as a wiry little boy instead of a 25 year old autismo. The characters aren't all dour either so much as stoic, and the little moments of levity have more impact because of it

>>212463809
Story wise the shitty 2000 miniseries is the most comprehensive. It didn't really hold up to being watched on modern tvs in high definition though, it was made to be watched on a shitty 26 inch crt in a different age.

>old good
>new bad
we're just going to see this forever aren't we? no one will ever just admit the thing they grew up with might not be as good as the newer thing?

>>212464019
>Paul works better as a wiry little boy
honestly I can't stress enough how perfect chalamet was/is for the role imo

>>212461239
>the more interesting side of this is that I actually personally think dune 2 succeeds DESPITE villeneuve, in the sense that I think villeneuve is personally on the "political" side of zendaya (and case in point, her character is effectively like a modern human left-winger girl in terms of politics, vocabulary and morals), and forcefed his interpretation of her character into the movie to try and restrain the insane charisma of paul which goes against all of his political views. In the sense that paul is a radicalised terrorist warlord dictator dude imbibed with pseudo-divine power and starts a literal space jihad; which the movie does an incredible job of getting you completely on board with. every single person I know who saw it, especially men, have all said they are fully on paul's side and support him 100% and thought that chani was a nagging bitch. I fear that villeneuve may come back and rugpull us in the next movie by saying "actually, paul is... LE BAD!"
I agree, and it's extra funny because he's literally making the same mistake as Frank Herbert lmao. I wonder if Villeneuve is going to blow a fuse when he realizes that we genuinely think that billions should die and the jihad is 100% justified.

>>212464067
so everybody has to pretend to have recency bias like you do, just for you to be happy? good thing you are not the main character of this world. go die in a ditch somewhere, faggot

>>212463459
I also still think Ellen Page was beautiful

>>212464221
looks like i got my answer
sad

>>212463809
>Jordo's Dune
It have been very interesting BUT the only art-fags, intellectuals, druggies, & esoterics would like it, Normies would fucking hate it.
>Lynchs Dune
Good, but basically has two major issues:
1)it's weird in a grotesque way, making it hard for normies to find endearing. Star Wars was weird and silly cute way.
2)not enough martial arts fight scenes. If it had it had couple "bourne" type fights normies would have loved it.
>2000 Sci-Fi Channel Dune
Goes into the lore the most, which is basically the only advantage. The renaissance-punk designs are interesting but don't seem like something a futurist society would have.
>DUNC
It's ok. It's not shit, but it's not a masterpiece like some people claim. It reminds me of adventure video game.

>>212464393
nah, fuck you. you just don't have any sense. go find me somebody on this board who claims that the original The Thing is better than Carpenter's version just because it's older. like, you have shit for brains, the sooner you learn that the better.

>>212461352
>Why this interests me is that I can't reconcile how incredibly well the movie gets you hyped for the LISAN AL GAIB (which presumably, villeneuve intended?), and yet simultaneously, how obvious it is that villeneuve himself completely opposes paul and what he represents.
Even leftards can't help but appreciate the power of conviction.
>Slightly related but I also don't understand why people seem to think paul is meant to be an antagonist in dune in the long run, the whole point is that that nigga can see the future and is doing everything he does because he knows it's the only way to save humanity from eventual extinction (no matter what). Everything, including his son's tyrannical reign, is justified by that. So why does everyone then come back and say that paul is meant to be a cautionary tale about the dangers of tyranny?
The thing about Paul is that, while Leto was obviously 100% on board with the golden path to save humanity, and was willing to give up his life and his reputation for that end, Paul started the path not to save humanity, but to get revenge for his slaughtered house and murdered father. The jihad was not a side effect, it was the point: to tear down those who had ruined his life, and carve a path of blood and fire across the very stars in retribution.

But personally, I can't blame the guy. I would do the same thing. I would argue it was the right thing to do even without the golden path.

>>212463787
>Paul as a fake Jesus was better
what's wrong with that? It's literally the book. He has actual prescient powers above normal humans due to the spice. Him and his offspring are meant to send their warriors on Jihad and usher in the Golden Path. It's the entire point of Dune.

>>212464518
please stop reinforcing my point

>>212451311 (OP)
Dune is widely considered to be Lynch's worst movie and a bit of a trainwreck, Lynch himself hated how it turned out because disputes with the studio forced him to change and remove a lot of stuff that was left on the editing room. Thus the way the movie awkwardly rushes into the final act all of a sudden.

Simping for Dune is peak midwit contrarianism, Lynch himself hated it and would have agreed that the 2021 version is better.

And I say this as a huge Lynch fan.

>>212464662
you don't have a point as demonstrated by your lack of a responsive argument

>>212464714
Every time you respond it's supporting my argument
anything I say will just be superfluous.

I always enjoy a thread where two dumb niggers sperg out at each other for hours over a pointless argument no one cares about and they won't even remember by tomorrow.

>>212463605
you should start a marvel thread

>>212465075
because it makes you feel superior, right?

>>212463787
I agree with this assessment except 2021 feyd and pauls speech. also the baron is underwhelming hes just floating and fat

>>212464471
>DUNC me of adventure video game.
very true

>>212463967
>Sardaukar were pretty useless in the book too
I totally get that it's book accurate (and it's also more realistic that nomads take over decaying empire) but for the normie neckbeard movie goer it would have been better to have super-SS army to match the fremen.
I wonder if they'll make the evil fremen(Jacurutu) in Messiah weak?
>>212464019
>I also like how Rabban's only confident when there's no credible threat against him
Fair enough. I didn't consider that.
>The characters aren't all dour either
I'll have to rewatch it to confirm what you're saying. But my memory is all bad guys and half good guys are Mr-serious.

>>212465255
No because I love watching retards slap fight

>>212465477
because you want to feel superior

>>212465676
No because i want to watch idiots roll in shit for my amusement.

>>212465747
because that makes you feel superior

>>212465305
>I agree with this assessment except 2021 feyd and pauls speech.
To normies the 2024 Feyd is an scary super villain, While 1984 feyd is like a 80's rocker with a knife goofing around.
I know the 2024 pre-battle speech was basically:
>Paul: "none of MFers can take me, I'm better then all y'all"
>Fremen: "LISAN AL GAIB!!"
But the 1984 Pauls speech in the rectangle cave (before the battle) is just not that great.

Kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLhIBN7zatk

>>212465769
Because it makes me feel entertained
Now dance retard

>>212465995
So freaking based! A subjugated people being forced to fight for a government they despise!

>>212466807
>That's the joke
Life imitates art type shit.

I'd never seen the 1984 version until recently. I had low expectations, thinking I could watch this as a flawed curiosity, an early attempt that took too many liberties and bit off more than it could chew. But what I didn't expect is that it barely functions as a movie. Characters don't talk or behave in any rational way and instead they just go from weird scene to weird scene, speaking with their inner voice and occasionally talking exposition at people. Important things get time skipped or told instead of seen. Even scenes that should be tense or suspenseful never connect as anything but awkward and goofy. Every performance, every piece of dialogue and every scene seems designed to be off putting for no reason at all. The closest thing I could compare it to would be the offbeat Sword and Sorcery B-movies of the era. But even stuff like Krull is better than this. I know it's a David Lynch movie but I've seen him do straightforward narrative before, with sympathetic characters and plots you could follow. He just doesn't seem to be interested in of capable of doing that here. I wonder how much of that is because he lost his handle on it due to the studio, production difficulties, etc and how much was his own vision. Either way, the end result was bad.

>>212453105
Thats literally how theyre described in the book as their homeworlds sun is blocked out by pollution

THE WEIRDING WAY!
>speaks

>>212452744
>>212452769
I unironically love this style but it seems kinda wrong to me that Villeneuve basically just inserted his favorite architecture style into a franchise that’s not even his

>>212466138
Do you feel superior now?

>>212467803
>marvel capeslop fan
>hates 1984 dune
checks out

>>212469442
Dune 1984 is proto-capeshit

>>212451311 (OP)
Lynch Dune hardmogs VillenuevMCU Dube, unironically

>>212451311 (OP)
>2021+
>turned Leit Keynes in to a black woman

>>212467919
The harkonnens are redheads in the book, not bald. Chani is a redhead too. More Hollywood ginger erasure.

>>212469643
Theyre pale though right? Its been a few years since ive read the 1st book

>>212461470
>muh media literacy
Shut the fuck up midwit everyones sick of it lmao

>>212467803
>garbage opinion
>capeshit gif used unironically
Truly appropriate.

there was a big thread on /pol/ about how everything is turned grey/monochrome.

>>212454219
She almost ooga booga, but she dont. Das acting.

>>212470800
Wouldn't it be more realistic if she did. I live next to bowling alley casnio and black girls are always screaming their heads off like rabid animals.

>>212463348
>the traitor misdirection plot, but it wasn't very impactful
it's literally how he didn't get found out. that is the definition of impactful