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What happened to Westerns? Feels like forever since we had some cowboy kino.

I wish sochee would ride me like a cowgirl

>>212486398
Favourite Western?

>>212486100 (OP)
its important to define the appeal of Xochitel
tell us where you'd most like to cum on her
> definitely all over her smile

>>212486100 (OP)
What do you think her butthole smells like. I want her to sit on my face.

>>212486844
Inside of her brown Latina butthole

>>212486802
Bandelero

>>212486802
True Grit (2010)

>>212487054
nice jeans

>>212486844
She’s fun.

>>212486100 (OP)
Westerns require nostalgia for either adventure or melancholy at the closing of the last frontier. Now boys can only dream of adventure. If they had the imagination to begin with.

>>212486100 (OP)
Women and brown people don’t like them

>>212489951
Even cowgirls?

>>212486100 (OP)
Audience doesn't feel the need to watch emo and too long shenaningans of faggots and zoophiles

Mexican girls in western attire is so hot, its a natural fit

>>212486100 (OP)
oversaturated in the 50s which made beatniks and hippies hate them so they stopped being cool and only old people liked them. Same thing happened to musicals

>>212489951
Mexicans love westerns. They love horses, guns and hats

>>212491265
Texas Mexicans love them. California Mexicans have no cultural connection to them.

>>212491384
Sounds like California whites

>>212491265

this

>>212486100 (OP)
A handful are still being made, but they're not nearly as popular as they used to be. That said, I'm a bonafide Western nerd and I really wouldn't mind seeing more being made in the near future. The setting and time period have a ton of room for new stories.

>>212486398
Giddyup

>>212486398
> Me on the left.

>>212491265
A hat is not a western movie, you ape.

>>212494296
The only reason she's so hyperactive is she gets zero cock. She has lots of (gay) friends and probably gets drunk and "kisses" her male and female friends, but when it comes down to it, she never gets laid

>>212494746
lel. no chance. all these young zoomer girls are having lots of sex.

Am I allowed to say good bad ugly is my favourite film, or will a bunch of autistic contrarian manbabies start sperging at me?

>>212494402
kek. underrated comment

>>212489951
Women used to love westerns, and they were popular all over the world

>>212494936
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is a good movie, but it's not a good western

>>212495288
Why?

>>212494296
This brap needs a big white cock deep in her little brown asshole

>>212495404
It lacks substance. There's nothing to take from it. It teaches you nothing, honors nothing, reinforces no values that you can apply to your own life and worldview. No depth to the plot or characters. Pure entertainment with a memorable soundtrack.
You might say, "but that's what I like about it." Okay, but it makes for a bad western.

>>212495825
>it teaches you nothing
Sounds like a typical western

>>212495919
Spaghetti westerns, at least

>>212496769
the best kind

>>212497163
nah, don't care about "messages" or "being taught something" but John Ford mogs any spaghettishit director

>>212498279
The Searchers and Liberty Valence, sure, but the spaghetti westerns largely mog the others.

>>212498279
>John Ford mogs any spaghettishit director
Why do you think that is? He made his movies with utter reverence for the time, people, and country he depicted.

>>212498419
>He made his movies with utter reverence for the time, people, and country he depicted.
Um, yes?

>>212498386
His two most overrated flicks, Fort Apache and My Darling Clementine are way better

>>212498386
>the spaghetti westerns largely mog the others.
What are "the spaghetti westerns" to you and what are "the others"? I find that most people who think they prefer spaghetti westerns haven't seen many of either. Outside of Sergio Leone and a few Corbucci flicks, most spaghetti westerns are shit movies

>>212498461
So then yes, you do like the messaging and reinforcement of values

>>212498701
like what?

>>212498814
The love of the American nation, the themes of duty and honor, and being a man of character and tenacity

>>212498924
But in those movies they’re building that nation by violently stealing the land of other peoples.
How is that a virtue? Where is the honour?

>>212486100 (OP)
sex

>>212498986
>they’re building that nation by violently stealing the land of other peoples.
For one, they entered an arena that was thousands of years old and then won the game
>How is that a virtue? Where is the honour?
It wasn't easy to win the land or live in it, and towns didn't build themselves. It took a certain kind of person to survive out there and prosper.
John Ford even made it clear throughout his career that he respected the indians, but to respect them, you have to understand that they were warrior peoples.

>>212499180
When you put it that way I guess I understand why most Yanks are ok with being demographically replaced.
After all, it’s arena thousands of years old and whites there have gone from 90% to, what, less than 50%?

>>212499281
>I guess I understand why most Yanks are ok with being demographically replaced.
Most allow it to happen because the government tells them they have to and that it's an American value. It's not exactly a fight and the people aren't a foreign nation gaining territory and building their own towns and cities, they just join into American ones, pledging allegiance to the winning side.
I'm not getting a clear understanding of your own position, though. Do you have one?

The Canadian actress Sarah Gadon is actually filming a Western in Montana right now!

>>212486100 (OP)
>>212486398
Is there more to this set? I'll add them to my collection of cowgirl pics

>>212495825
>>212495288
Westerns are not defined by what they teach you. You are 100% allowed to hate the movie or think it was "meh". You're 100% allowed to think other Westerns are better, but saying that The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is not a Western because it doesn't teach you a lesson is not a sound argument.

>>212499838
I didn't say it isn't a western, I said it's not a good one

>>212499493
I didn’t agree with your concept of values (the strong have a right to take from the weak) but there is a certain symmetry in white Americans being supplanted by descendants of the people they and other Europeans conquered.
If it’s a virtue, at least it’s a constant in history.

>>212495089
I've been on a Spaghetti Western kick for quite awhile now, but my girlfriend is not into them at all :(
But she did buy tickets to see a concert of Ennio Morricone's music performed live for us, so it's not all bad.

>>212498661
NTA, but I have well over 350 Spaghetti Western Films in my personal collection. Leone is legendary for a reason, and the Corbucci films are great for their more violent nature, but there are a lot of other directors that are also quite good (many of which have created films that are considered classics of the genre).
There are too many to list, but shortlist:
Alfonso Balcazar
Demofilio Fidani (Sometimes credited as Miles Deem)
Duccio Tessari
Enzo G. Castellari
Ferdinando Baldi
Gianfranco Parolini (often credited as Frank Kramer)
Giuliano Carnimeo (often credited as Anthony Ascott)
Tonino Valerii
There are more, but at that point I should just make a spreadsheet.

There are a lot of very prolific directors in the genre. It's true that some Spaghetti Westerns are better than others. I'm not a huge fan of some of the later slapstick films, but there are so many good ones that I would have to disagree that "most" are "shit movies". I don't hate American Westerns or other Euro Westerns (which can be difficult to classify and often crossover with Spaghetti Westerns since productions were typically international), but as a bonafide nerd of the genre, I can confidently say that, in my humble opinion, Spaghetti Westerns are typically better.

>>212499911
>I didn’t agree with your concept of values (the strong have a right to take from the weak)
I don't know why you think of it like this in the first place. The indians (collectively?) are "the weak"? The settlers fought various indian tribes for 300 years, they weren't powerless. They fought with some tribes against other tribes. The territory of a given tribe at the time of contact with the settlers was whatever territory they could hold after having demolished the previous tribe.
> but there is a certain symmetry in white Americans being supplanted by descendants of the people they and other Europeans conquered.
Can you elaborate on that? You're talking about people creating a nation vs others joining that nation to become a part of its people under a shared government. What's the symmetry?

>>212500353
>>212498661
Also, Spaghetti Western soundtracks abso-fucking-lutely mog American Western soundtracks. It's not even fucking close. Sure, that includes Ennio Morricone, but he's not the only one. The work of Riz Ortolani, Nico Fidenco, Francesco De Masi, Bruno Nicolai, and Alessandro Alessandroni (and his work both with Morricone as well as Cantori Moderni), all deserve a close listen. Spaghetti Westerns are an incredible study on how much weight a great score can pull in the production of a film.

>>212499864
agree to disagree. I don't think the value of a film is based on the lesson it teaches. It would be a more important consideration if I was deciding what to show children or a neuro-divergent individual, but I think films can be great for quite a lot of reasons. That said, I think the earlier films in the "dollars" trilogy were better.

>>212500353
> there are so many good ones that I would have to disagree that "most" are "shit movies".
Can you give 15 that aren't by Leone or Corbucci? I've seen a good amount myself, but even the ones I like, I have to admit are mostly entertaining for dumb reasons, like schlocky kung fu films
>>212500769
>I don't think the value of a film is based on the lesson it teaches.
Generally no, but that's the heart and soul of the western

>>212500825
>Can you give 15 that aren't by Leone or Corbucci?
Gladly. Most of the films go by several titles because the films would be re-released under multiple names, plus each country had a name (or multiple names) in their language. If you have trouble tracking them down, I can tell you what they also go under, but here are 15. These are in no particular order. I'm just looking down my list and cherry picking what stands out to me.

1) A Bullet For the General - by Damiano Damiani
2) The Five Man Army - Don Taylor
3) A Pistol For Ringo - Duccio Tessari
4) A Pistol For Ringo - Duccio Tessari
5) Keoma - Enzzzo G Castellari (this one can be polarizing. The use of slowmotion in the cinematography can sometimes be laughable and the soundtrack is...strange...but I keep coming back to this one so I'll list it)
6) Kill Them All and Come Back Alone - Enzo G. Castellari
7) Sabata - Gianfranco Parolini
8) Return of Sabata - Gianfranco Parolni
9) Adios Sabata - Gianfranco Parolini
10) Death Rides a Horse - Giulio Petroni
11) Boot Hill - Giuseppe Colizzi
12) Ace High - Giuseppe Colizzi
13) The Big Gundown - Sergio Solima
14) My Name is Nobody - Tonino Velerii (Stay with this one. It starts off kind of stupid and comedic, but it comes around)
15) Arriva Sabata - Tulio Demicheli

>>212501060
fuck, sorry. I listed A Pistol For Ringo twice because I was typing and formatting as I go along.
For technicality sake:
4) Face to Face - Sergio Solima

>>212500602
Then nation was already created by the time Westerns take place, anon. Why do you think that makes genocide and land theft ok?
If you can’t see the symmetry, you haven’t watched any John Ford movie in a while. Though it explains why you think The Searchers is overrated.

>>212500825
>that's the heart and soul of the western
again, agree to disagree. I think that's the heart and soul of an educational film, but Westerns can be character pieces, or tragedies, or time period vignettes, etc.
I think that American Westward expansion is a fascinating topic and to glibly sum up that complicated topic with a lesson that can be wrapped up in a bow eschews the complexity of the era. The American tendency to portray westerns as clear cut good guys vs bad guys is a bit too facile to me. I like the fact that Spaghetti Westerns often feature despicable characters as the hero. Characters are sometimes motivated by virtues, but are just as often motivated by money, greed, lust, or personal glory. Westward expansion was largely stimulated by the gold rush of '49 which was not a virtuous motivation. I'm not saying that Spaghetti Westerns are at all historically accurate, but I think the fact that they sometimes DON'T teach a lesson feels more poignant, and tends to stimulate more thought after watching a film than something that portrays white hats vs black hats and the moral of the story is to keep your word.

>>212501258
>Then nation was already created by the time Westerns take place, anon.
How does that relate to your point?
>Why do you think that makes genocide and land theft ok?
Did you read anything I said?

>>212501060
Also, if this was a test, suck my dick. I'm not LARPing. I fucking love Spaghetti Westerns and there are an absolute shitload of them.

>>212486100 (OP)
westerns are pure americana, like pulp fiction, and the modern stock of america is that of whites disinterested in their own history and browns who view the country only as an economic host to leech off of.

>>212486100 (OP)
People argue that westerns died due to a lack of relevancy or oversaturation, but the truth is that westerns didn't die, it's just that they had to wear different clothes in response to suburban and urban living being the norm and technology and industry becoming a closer part of our lives. Cowboy stories became cop shows, police procedurals, capeshit and spyshit, and crime shows like Breaking Bad.

>>212494296
Why are Latinas like this so cute?

>>212501060
Alright, I've seen a little more than half of those. I enjoy Keoma, I enjoy A Pistol for Ringo, I enjoy Sabata, but this is what I mean. Goofy movies that have some "cool" stuff in them and nice music, but there's nothing else to them. Superhero protagonists in an empty world where all that happens is people shoot guns.
>>212501383
>I think that American Westward expansion is a fascinating topic and to glibly sum up that complicated topic with a lesson that can be wrapped up in a bow eschews the complexity of the era. The American tendency to portray westerns as clear cut good guys vs bad guys is a bit too facile to me
That isn't the case though. There's far more complexity in American westerns, in the characterizations, the morals, and the topics and themes presented. In the spaghetti westerns I've seen, they're more likely than American westerns to have simple do-good heroes and "evil just to be evil" villains, only their do-good protagonists are useless in the real world where problems aren't solved exclusively by shooting dozens of bad guys with perfect accuracy

>>212501627
And Spaghetti Westerns were what became of Samurai Films, but I wouldn't say that A Fistful of Dollars is a Samurai film.
Most stories can be broken down into basic structures that are essentially a retelling of a classic tale. What makes a western a western or a sci fi film a sci fi film has more to do with the setting and how the story is dressed up than where the story comes from.

>>212501484
I’d knock her up so many times we’d be able to start a village

>>212501793
You think Keoma, A Pistol for Ringo, and Sabata were just goofy movies that have some "cool" stuff in them and nice music? Perhaps watch them again.
Which of those films have you actually seen?

>>212501828
Everyone says Fist Full of Dollars is Yojimbo, which while true, doesn't take into account that Yojimbo is a John Ford film.

>>212501987
>You think Keoma, A Pistol for Ringo, and Sabata were just goofy movies that have some "cool" stuff in them and nice music?
.... Anon, have YOU watched these recently? I can't believe you'd listen to the recurring theme song in Keoma and Franco hanging on a wheel throatsinging "vaaaant toooo diiiiiie" and think of it as something serious

>>212501484
Helen Ramirez for me.

>>212502038
qrd?

>>212502280
based

Moar?

>>212494296
creampie then deportation.

RAPE

>>212502183
They certainly took risks with the soundtrack, I'll give you that, but I don't think it was intended to be a comedy. I mentioned this in my list. The fact that you're cherry picking the soundtrack makes me believe you looked up clips on youtube instead of actually watching the film.

I do not care for "Zapata" westerns. Very soulless.

>>212502743
mexican revolution doesn't do it for you?

imagine being an american gunslinger who heads south into mexican during the revolution, riding with pancho villa, fighting, gambling, drinking, making love to a beautiful senorita who you then take home to your ranch

>>212503234
The Italian chicks they got to play Mexican girls in those films were fucking smoking hot.

>>212502696
I own the blu-ray.
> I don't think it was intended to be a comedy.
Probably not, but it is unintentionally comedic, and this is part of the charm of the movie. It's entertaining for its goofiness and that weird 70s Italian style. The action is fun, but seeing a guy go up against 40 armed men in a big showdown doesn't make you think "wow, what great writing." There's a racism angle to the story, but it's mostly superficial and just serves as a set-up for the shooting. Compare it to something like Flaming Star or The Unforgiven (1960) and how they handle the topic of half-breeds and prejudice in a more grounded and realistic way.

spoonfeed me a good western to watch tonight. I've seen all the classics.

>>212502280
lol pretty much

>>212503576
Underrated Bronson kino

>>212503659
>plays essentially the same character in Lonely are the Brave that he played in Man Without a Star
Kirk Douglas hated authority and he hated walls, whether it was the modern day, the wild west, or ancient Rome

>>212499587
Gadon posters get the rope.

>>212503417
What films on the list have you actually seen.

Also, what 15 American Westerns are your favorite?

>>212503677
Will check this out. Bronson might be the last of the Western stars I've dived deeper into.

>>212503891
>A Bullet for the General
>A Pistol for Ringo
>Keoma
>Sabata
>Return of Sabata
>Adios Sabata
>Death Rides a Horse
>Ace High
>My Name is Nobody
I've enjoyed most of these, but not in some profound way. They have a certain style to them that can be entertaining, but that's all I see them as. Enjoyable flicks, but not lasting. Not affecting.
>>Also, what 15 American Westerns are your favorite?
These are 15 that I think sum up the kinds I like
>Shane
>The Searchers
>Rio Bravo
>Red River
>The Ox-Bow Incident
>The Big Country
>Day of the Outlaw
>The Man from Laramie
>The Far Country
>The Tall Men
>Warlock
>The Tin Star
>Hondo
>How the West Was Won
>The Tall T

>tranny gooner still doing his deleted posts gimmick
every power user has 4chanx, you're doing it for the benefit of mobile shitters who are actually retarded brown people