Morpheus thought Mouse was The One and did all the kung fu fighting and roof jumping and red woman shit with him too?

>>212491631 (OP)
The implication is that they all went though the basic training program.

>movie has only two white males, a scrawny wimp and a traitor

>>212491631 (OP)
Mouse designed the Woman in the Red Dress, so no.

>>212491797
Neo?

>>212491797

>>212491631 (OP)
No, they all went through basic training but only Neo was supposed to be the One, that's why Morpheus apologizes to him and explains him they never remove as people as old as him from the Matrix but they made an exception in his case.

Pay attention.

>>212491797
Mouse was badass

>>212492176
>Mouse death
When this movie came out, most of my school thought this was the best scene in the movie by far

>>212492176
in the matrixverse this is what moot did when lowtax wouldnt let him post loli porn instead of making 4chin

and yes this is a badass scene. the weird meek guy keeping his cool and going out raising hell is alway kino. i always wished he would have racked up a few more kills before he died though

i dont think anyone has expressed a good theory on why some of the people on the merovingian have their ears made up to look damaged

>>212494407
only the first movie exists. how stupid any of the other ones are doesnt matter

>>212494452
i meant to say nebuchadnezzar. some of the crew has fucked up ears like you see in ops pic.

>>212494631
Their ears bleed as a process of jacking up into the Matrix, it's supposed to be painful and traumatic, although it never happens to Neo IIRC.

>>212494452
Filtered retard, the whole trilogy is kino.

>>212491797
1. Mouse was not a wimp, he went down fighting.
2. Fucking Keanu "Johnny Silverhand" Wick? Hello?

>>212495056
keyanoo is a hapa

>>212495075
White enough in my book.

>>212495056
keanu is half asian though

>>212495098
He is less than half Asian.

>>212492351
Your school has good taste because those guns they invented just for that scene are cool as fuck

>>212491631 (OP)
Do you believe that Mouse being smaller or meeker has anything to do with his muscles in that place? Do you think that's air you're breathing now?

>>212491797
Mouse wasn't a wimp.

>>212492351
>>212495175
very good taste, that whole sequence where they're ambushed in the building is arguably the best part of the movie

>>212494738
>Their ears bleed as a process of jacking up into the Matrix, it's supposed to be painful and traumatic
You made that up retard. Also it never happens to Morpheus or Trinity.

>>212495720
From the original script

>MORPHEUS This will feel a little weird.

>There are several disturbing noises as he works the needle in.

>We MOVE IN as Neo’s shoulders bunch and his face tightens into a grimace until a LOUD CLICK fires and his ears pop like when you equalize them underwater.”

>When you enter the Matrix, your ears pop. Scuba divers often can get blood in their ears from this effect. So, the “jacking-in” causes the ears to pop. If repeatedly done (to talk to the machines or to see a woman in a red dress) would mean repeatedly popping your ears—causing them to eventually bleed.
Maybe this plotpoint got dropped halfway through filming. Or maybe you only see it on Mouse and Cypher because they jack in more often (Mouse to goon with the Red Woman, Cypher to make his dealings with the Machines... it would fit).

Anyway I didn't made it up.
kys

>>212496246
faggot, you copied and pasted that last line from reddit. its not in the script. some reddit fag made it up and then you copied and pasted it as fact.

guess who should kys. protip: its not me

>>212496318
So? I verified it, it's from the original script.

Original script here:
https://sfy.ru/?script=matrix_ds

It's not my fault you are too retarded to use google.

PS:
Yes, it's still you who should kys.

>>212496591
>I replied to the troll; that should shut him up for good.

>>212496591
>>212496664
the script does not provide an explanation for why some of the nebuchadnezzar crew has damaged ears. the soi redditor you copied and pasted did. and youre still representing it as fact instead of admitting it

>>212496701
Yes it's canon because it's on the original script and because it fits. Also because I say so.

>>212496891
posting chad images doesnt make u chad for getting your opinion from reddit

I had a whole long post about this that I just lost, so I'll sum it up with two quick questions:

1. How did Cypher meet with Smith in private? They're on a cramped ship and literally anyone could just walk by, see that Cypher is plugged in when there's no mission or anything, and then look at the monitor and see what he was doing, right? Did he do it while everyone is asleep? Do people on the ship not sleep in shifts? Or does the machine not require someone to be the Operator if they're jacking in?

2. If you cum in the Matrix, do you cum in real life? So like, is it just an understood thing that on the ship (and I guess by extension, other ships), people will need to jack in so they can jack off and nut in their pants before going back to work? Is that just a normal crew thing?

>>212497284
To me, it seemed that you needed all the rigamarole of Operators because you were pirating access to the Matrix without getting detected. If you didn't care that the machines knew you were connecting, you could just do it yourself without having someone juggling the 2299 equivalent of a bunch of blue boxes.

>>212492120
Happa

The ability to use the Construct program negates Cypher's entire issue. There's no reason they have to eat the goop rather than be jacked into the construct eating steak while the body is being fed goop. Everyone who was on the ships was a volunteer. Cypher could have stayed back in Zion, going to parties, getting a girlfriend, or messing about in a simulation there. They showed people that spent all day jacked in, comfortably living, while doing their normal daily duties

>>212495094
successfully demoralized

>>212497457
yeah but you would still have to exist in zion in some capacity, and be aware that the "comfy" world is an illusion
he wanted to be oblivious of that

>>212497457
part of the reason these people were self motivated to escape the matrix is because it felt unreal to them. do you think they would really enjoy trying to eat food in the construct and convince themselves it tastes real? it never will taste real or satisfying because they know the truth about it and it interferes with their passive consumption of reality in the matrix. were you even watching the movie

>>212497284
i would assume some people jack in regularly, like mouse, to goon or train or relax and mess around in perfect virtual reality. they are all programmers and hackers and whatever so they can all presumably write their own programs, meaning they would be in and out of those chairs at all hours. as for cypher going in alone, i'm not sure.

>>212497437
The Wachowski bros were just massive weeaboos

>>212497424
I guess, but it still begs the question of how he could do it without being discovered at all. I would understand if they had written it in such a way that, much like the time he drops the cellphone into the trash so the Agents can find the group to try and kill them, he was communicating with them through discreet dead-drops, momentary messages when they were jacked in doing something else, etc., I would get that.

But he's just at a straight up restaurant having dinner with Smith, meaning he would have been there for a while, jacking in, going there, talking the deal out, eating, etc. Surely that's not something you can just sneak in when everyone else is sleeping, right? Someone on the ship has to be awake, if nothing else then just to hit the EMP button if something bad happens, right?

>>212497457
Cypher wasn’t actually a redpill, he was a bluepill with general rejection of authority the oracle fed to Morpheus to awaken and break the cycle. It didn’t work

I rewatched this movie this year because I'm having a midlife crisis and it's stilm fucking amazing.

I wish I was enough of a nerd to actually contribute more but still. Thanks for reminding me how fucking cool the matrix still is

>>212497602
Some ideas:

>Cypher was the only one awake at the time and just risked it
>Cypher told Mouse he was running a jerkoff simulator and to leave him alone for 90 minutes
>The machines supplied Cypher with a secret rig that he could use in his bunk
>The machines overclocked the restaurant so the entire dinner only took a few seconds IRL

>>212491797
>two white males
uhhh anon?

>>212497734
it makes beautiful sense that cypher would lie about jerking off in the construct to get everyone to leave him alone long enough to talk to agent smith

>>212497734
>>Cypher told Mouse he was running a jerkoff simulator and to leave him alone for 90 minutes

If you were trapped in a ship with a bunch of randos you had to live with, you would absolutely watch the screen to see what kind of fucked-up shit they jerk it to so you can make fun of it later.

>>212491797
Mouse was a badass dual-wielding pimp and Cypher was It*lian.

>>212497503
>"After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss." *harp intensifies*

>>212491631 (OP)
>Morpheus thought Mouse was The One
don't think every person he 'freed' was a The One candidate

>>212497728
it really is. sequels too, though reloaded is better than revolutions
>dat highway chase
>dat music
>dat semi truck showdown between morpheus and the agent

>>212497768
kek

>>212497284
weird i also had a long post that slammed the red ears redditor but im not going to remake it

>>212497602
if the tranny bros were a little bit better they would have written in a hint that one of the crew members helped him but never explain who. easy peasy way to make thing cooler and more interesting

>>212498003
>don't think every person he 'freed' was a The One candidate

it would be more interesting if that was canon though

>>212498549
It just seems like something that raises a lot questions. How did Cypher even get in contact with the Agents? Why wouldn't they just kill him? They seem to shoot first when it comes to anyone else?

And again, one of the major flaws of the script for me is the concept of entering and exiting the Matrix is a little weird and never explained. I know they plug in, but how do they determine where they get placed? And how can they leave, if not by an Operator? Meaning how could Cypher both get in and out without an Operator loading him in and out?

Maybe the script or the lore says that you CAN inject and eject yourself without someone at the console, but it's never demonstrated in the actual film, and the only time people come out of the Matrix is if someone is there to pull them out via the computer, right?

>>212498691
>And how can they leave, if not by an Operator? Meaning how could Cypher both get in and out without an Operator loading him in and out?

well youre replying to me and i just said they should have implied someone helped him (been his operator) but just never said who. like maybe someone knew he was talking to an agent and let him but didnt know he was going to actually hand them all over to get killed

in the movie there isnt a hint of that and just seems more like a mistake than a mystery

ive said it before and ill say it again
>machines need people in the matrix to survive
>humans in zion can live without the matrix, its not essential to their survival
>when a human dies in the matrix they die irl, depriving the machines of a battery
>all forms of weapons can be phased into the matrix
>if you spammed nuclear weapons into the matrix and killed everyone inside the machines would lose their power sauce and die while the humans in zion would be unaffected
>zion humans can now just make more humans to replace the pod deaths
>gg machines, i win, there is no counter to this plan

>>212498691
it's a bit of a plothole yeah, but you can theorize around it. the machines didnt shoot first because they want something from cypher (access codes to zion's mainframe). cypher was up late, alone, watching the code of the matrix when neo startles him and they share a drink. i assume he was doing this because he was waiting for some kind of signal from the machines to meet. they appear in the matrix wherever they find a safe 'hardline', as tank warns them during the building ambush that the machines cut the hardline and they are trapped inside. as for jacking in and out alone, i head-canon it that cypher wrote a simple program that automatically jacks him into and out of the matrix with a long enough timer to get his business done. it would be much easier to jack in and out when you are a guest of the machines, as they would be providing the necessary hardlines and you would not be actively hunted in two realities. so basically cypher watches the matrix code for a sign, smith gives him a hardline, he types in the location, activates the program, sits down and sticks a spike in his head and waits. i know it's head-canon but i don't think it's that big of a stretch

>>212498549
Neo scares cypher because cypher is writing an auto-operator script that only works if the agents aren’t going to actively pursue him, he then clears his screen and puts the default matrix feed up and relaxes a bit when he realizes it’s just neo and neo couldn’t read the code anyway yet.

Major plothole: we're never told who paid for the delicious steak meal. Did Cypher pay? Where did he get money when he doesn't have a job? Did Smith pay? Why would a program even have money in the first place? Did Smith have to log it as a business expense for tax purposes? And what was Cypher's tipping policy?

>>212498003
Fourth movie further confirms that the ability to bend/break the matrix is inherent in all humans.

But you can ignore that and just go back to the fact being able to reject the matrix at all is “breaking the rules” of the first two versions of the matrix, and “entire crops were lost” as a result.

“The one” would be someone who doesn’t need anyone else to teach them how to bend/break the matrix, so “the one” is the spoon bending kid.

>>212499422
>pop into the matrix with a bunch of cash... ez pz
the team could've simply crashed the matrix by destroying the internal economy...

>>212498691
>How did Cypher even get in contact with the Agents? Why wouldn't they just kill him?

What do you think they are? Human?

>>212499422
They just ran out on the bill

>>212499066
The flaw is that the Architect says that the machines can survive without humans, but they would have to go into a sort of extreme subsistence mode of existence.

Also, their ultimate goal is to liberate the pod people too. Your method is way too cold and extreme to actually be an option to the characters in the movie.

>>212498691
>>212499603
he would only need to send a message that he wants to trade info for something. its not like agents can die so they cant fear a trap and their resources within the matrix are limitless so it doesnt matter if he wants his own private island staffed with prime age taytay sex slaves

they would be showing up to every single suggestion of trade deals no matter how many time it didnt pan out

>>212499066
They want to free humanity, not genocide it.

The machines also wouldn't be destroyed by that, remember the Architect says "there are levels of survival we are prepared to accept". The Machines can live without using humanity as batteries, but operating at a reduced capacity.

>>212499066
This “plothole” is actually fixed by the machines telling humans that humans are just batteries working in conjunction with fusion, rather than processors. It would be easy to justify mass murder of bluepills if it would lobotomize the machines.

Of course Morpheus is killed because he does start “nuking” bluepills with “code bombs” that decompile the matrix inside the matrix, triggering mass wakeups. Because he simply can’t handle the idea that the matrix still exists at all after finding “the one.” Yes the wachoskis consider the mmo canon.

>>212499463
The fourth movie is non-canon, they made it very clear they were forced to do another one by WB and the whole thing is a piss take on it with a huge wink to the audience not to take it seriously. Take a hint.

As for people breaking out of the Matrix by their own, that happens on the Animatrix cartoons, you don't need the 4th movie for that. It's rare and very few individuals can do it.

The Spoon Kid being the One is retarded fanon.

>>212499648
yeah the machines could survive in the sense that they could retreat into hard drive like states, but they wouldnt be able to field armies of squid machines. and when they fall back into a solid state, thats when zion storms the surface with those mech bots and start blasting.
>ultimate goal is to liberate the pod people too.
what does this even mean? just make more people, who cares whether theyre a liberated pod person on a real birth, theyre a means to success, were talking about the fate of the human race here

>>212499992
>The fourth movie is non-canon
Nope. It even continues from the mmo, which they also consider canon.

>>212499992
>It's rare and very few individuals can do it.

Because of the choice system. It wasn’t rare at all before the choice system. It was nearly universal, necessitating the choice system.

>>212491797
Except for main character who is the messiah of humankind?

>>212500169
New jew narrative is that Keanu isn’t white for some reason

>>212491631 (OP)
Yeah, he also had Trinity fuck him.

>>212500076
Neither the MMO nor the 4th movie are canon.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-09-17-the-matrix-online-interview-ben-chamberlain
"It was just pretty clear to everyone that the movies were canon, and the Wachowski-written Animatrix shorts - we saw preliminary, animatic versions of them - were canon. And I guess technically the Wachowski-directed extra scenes filmed for Enter the Matrix were canon, but that game didn't come out until 2003, and the scenes weren't screened for us, so most of the team wasn't particularly aware of them.

"I don't think we ever worried about whether our game was canon. I don't think anyone who worked on it ever thought that anything we were doing would be regarded as canonical in the same way that the movies were. That would just have seemed pretty absurd. It was clearly a different thing with different authors, a different audience, purpose, mechanics - everything."

"No developer had any illusion anything we did would ever be known or taken to heart by the larger public; that's just not the way game stories were regarded."

>>212500122
Yes that is correct.

>>212500275
What would Trinity say if Cypher and Mouse were always banging her digital image in their program?

>>212500306
>ben chamberlain
… so not the wachowskis, who personally ran events in the mmo…

>>212495075
>>212495098
He doesn't read as ethnic, certainly not back then.

>>212500348
Thus, the ability to break the rules of the matrix is inherent in all humans.

>>212497790
It wasn't the first time.. and Mouse didn't want to see it ever again

>>212500362
They didn't ran the events of the MMO, they gave their blessing on the writing on some of the earlier patches and then checked out, please do not spread disinfo.

>>212500431
Because cypher loaded up mouse to fuck?

>>212492176
Shit moment because his aim is retarded and he doesn't hit a single person despite all the guys filling the doorway. If he aimed a single shot at the doorway he would've hit multiple guys in the face. Embarrassing oversight from people as detail oriented as the wachowskis.
Unless him fucking up and doing nothing was intentional. Either way, mouse deserved better.

>>212498050
you really can tell neo is fucken with the matrix and making humans more capable than ever when morpheus bodies a fucking upgraded agent by himself

>>212500442
>please do not spread disinfo.
No, you.

>>212500306
>>212499992
Based and correct. I hate what eventually happened to the Wachowskis, but man they sure had a passion for this story. And some of the last that gave a shit about canon. Who now actually wants to tell a coherent multi-part long running story over multiple mediums and have it all make sense? Everyone just wants to slap it together willynilly.

>>212500496
He panicked and they started shooting him before he could aim.

>>212500508
remember he is in a very different setting than the bathroom of the first movie where smith bodies him in 30 seconds, plus he has a sword for most of it. but yes, i think the matrix was in major flux by that point with neo doing his thing and smith going rogue

>>212500532
No, you.

The main writer of the MMO storyline was comic book writer Paul Chadwick, it's a cool continuation of the story but it was never meant to be canon, and the Wachoskis weren't involved with it aside from giving the OK to the initial story outline of the earlier patches.

>>212500306
>and the Wachowski-written Animatrix shorts - we saw preliminary, animatic versions of them - were canon
keeping in mind by the way that the second renaissance section of the animatrix is only canon insofar as the existence of such a film within the zion archives is canon - whether that film is actually accurate is another matter. I personally choose to assume that part 1 and 2 of the second renaissance is not actually "real" human history, but rather a modified/abridged version designed to make humanity look like the villains to justify subsequent machine actions.

>>212499066
the machines want to keep humans alive. they dont admit it, but they do. didnt you see the third movie

>>212497734
>>Cypher told Mouse he was running a jerkoff simulator and to leave him alone for 90 minutes

Mouse being the weirdo he is probably would've watched on the code monitors.

>>212500469
>I know your butthole doesn't exist, Mouse. I know when I insert my penis, the Matrix is telling me it's juicy and delicious. And you know what I've learned after all these years?

>>212500508
>upgraded agent
>do you really believe me being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in -this- place
>upgraded agents are all swole

>>212500508
I'd like to think that they all feel emboldened by the fact that they found the fucking One. Morpheus too, is starting to believe.

>>212500009
i dont even think it's possible to free every pod person. morpheus says in the first movie that they dont free a mind after a certain age

>>212500694
>Mouse being the weirdo he is probably would've watched on the code monitors.
mouse seems like the kind of guy who would warmly let you use the program and never even look at what you did before he wipes the logs. mouse was a bro

>>212500666
the machines nuke humanity's leadership group during a peace meeting

>>212500863
He was. Wish there were more scenes with him before he went out. Switch was a total cunt. Apoc was just kinda there? Didn't do a whole lot

>>212500508
>ou really can tell neo is fucken with the matrix and making humans more capable than ever when morpheus bodies a fucking upgraded agent by himself
>>212500605
>remember he is in a very different setting than the bathroom of the first movie
>>212500770
>I'd like to think that they all feel emboldened by the fact that they found the fucking One. Morpheus too, is starting to believe.

he doesnt beat the shit out of the agent what are you talking about? he gets his ass kicked and thrown off the truck but happens to land on that dyke niggers are and then is able to sneak kick him in the back when he gets back up on the semi. after that two agents are about to kill him but neo flies in to save him (which is fucking retarded)

>>212501046
it's not that he kicks the agent's ass, it's the fact that smith decimated him for fun in less than a minute in the first one, then he hangs with this agent in the sequel for much longer than that, despite the fact that the agents are now upgraded.
>everyone who has stood their ground against an agent has died
>now watch me stand my ground against this agent

>>212501126
well he would have died standing his ground if it wasnt for superman saving him. also he wasnt fighting smith (i assume the most powerful agent) the second time

>>212501126
It’s the fact he tackles smith vs the fact he’s able to keep the upgraded agent at a distance.

>>212501187
i agree with you, i dont have a problem with the scene. i think it's a combination of the posts you linked. morpheus is much more prepared for this guy, he has a sword, plus he has backup and isn't in a tiny bathroom with no way to put distance between them. all of that, plus the fact that Neo's very presence is undoubtedly inspiring the rest of the redpills to fight like hell, and he still gets stomped pretty good while doing almost no damage to the agent besides slicing his tie.

>>212501046
do you remember when morpheus says in the first movie every time someone stands their ground against an agent they die? he not only stands his ground he kills one.

>>212501600
this is the best fight in the trilogy and no one notices because it doesnt have cg smiths in it and it doesnt have explosions or cars

rob dougan was right to be annoyed by all the gay ass foley sound effects they put over his music

>>212501517
no, morpheus never kills one. he holds him off just long enough for neo to show up and save the day. trinity kills one one in the first one and i think the rest are downed by neo

>>212501648
i assumed he died when he got kicked into the car and thats why he took over the truckers body. are you just trying to argue because it makes ur sandy vagina wet

>>212501637
everyone raves about this fight, especially because it leads directly into the highway chase with mona lisa overdrive pounding away in the background

>>212501677
you are right but neo also kills smith with a train in the first one in basically the same way (before he became the One), so your point is moot and my gritty vagoo is downright sopping

>>212501677
>i assumed he died when he got kicked into the car and thats why he took over the truckers body

oh maybe but i just interpreted it as jumping to the trucker to get his truck since he didnt want to take the time to get back on the semi like morpheus did just like how in the first one during a chase i think the agents keep jumping to bystanders who happened to be standing near neo like the lady with the kitchen knife they then toss at neo

>>212501889
ive never seen an agent jump into another persons body to teleport without the body they're in dying first. i mean you can guess that the agents can do that, but we never see them do that. only smith once he becomes a virus

>>212501972
agents can take over anyone, at any time, as evidenced by the end of the first one where the old lady with the knife becomes smith and throws it at neo. smith has come back at that point, but nothing kills him during the footage

>>212501972
doesnt it happen in the chase i just talked about? besides it can be assumed every time they jump, they are jumping from another person even if its off screen. its not like every agent dies at the end of every scene they are in so any time they show up again by teleporting they are leaving someone else

>>212502020
footchase*

>>212502020
>>212502030
sorry im high. i do enjoy being autistic about matrix with yall in this thread though man no one wanted to do this in the 2010s

apparently 'Mouse' was in Aunty Donna's Coffee Cafe tv show, but can't find any clips

>>212502065
there are few franchises as fun to discuss and nitpick the details of, i also love it

>>212501637
I listened to Rob's original theme and it sounds the same.

In the opening, Cypher is already communicating with the agents. He is sneakily sending them a message letting them know he wants to switch sides. But Trinity jacks in to relieve him and surprises him. Since she didn't know he was contacting the agents, they're aware of her presence first. Then she suddenly realizes their conversation is being listened to and they're coming. They never discuss it later, so I guess she just figured the agents surprised them.

>>212499992
>The Spoon Kid being the One is retarded fanon.

Nope. Everyone else needs someone else to break out. The spoon kid is alone, a human born inside the matrix with the ability to control it as he saw fit, and would choose to sacrifice the resistance for the greater good, because he has no direct connections to anyone else.

>>212494407
It's from them repetitively plugging in. they are having a giant tube shoved into their head. The crew who don't plug in don't have the problem.id have to dig up some old interview and to be honest I don't want to. I stopped doing that because of trolls. It's on MTV with the two creators. This was answered 25 years ago. The shock from plugging in causes their ears to bleed. It's meant to be a clue cipher is going in alot by himself we already know mouse is going in to have sex with lady in a red dress

i like to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ZpXBob33U

>>212497284
>If you cum in the Matrix, do you cum in real life?
Yes.

>>212502269
The big clue is he's got bleeding ears see
>>212502428
Most of spotted it right away. I'm old. Maybe kids are just dumber these days. It's pretty obvious.

>>212502269
It's even on the first text scroll cold open, it literally says trace initiated.

>>212502302
Head canon. Everyone has the ability to bend the rules of the Matrix (Trinity and Morpheus doing the mega-jumps, the other kids making cubes float), just not to the extent of the One.

Bending a spoon is not that big of a feat and it's in line with the other examples.

>>212502428
>I stopped doing that because of trolls. It's on MTV with the two creators. This was answered 25 years ago.
the wachowskis were never on MTV lol they did some web chat interview on the whatisthematrix website but otherwise those niggas didnt do any press or promotion for the first matrix

>>212491797
>scrawny wimp
He was absolutely fearless and had the coolest loadout and had no problem slinging lead when shit went south. You're a fucking lookist fagboy who sucks cocks by choice.

>>212502552
Yeah you are partially why I don't look up sources for people anymore.

>>212502634
im heartbroken you dont cite your asspulls

What sucks is that Mouse escaped the Matrix all by himself, unlike Neo but still dies like a dog.

See Animatrix.

>>212502598
fukken saved

>>212502652
I just think you are stupid. You didn't notice an obvious clue in a movie and you need spoon fed a source and response.

>>212502670
He didn't go out like a dog. He went out blasting. Switch and Apoc went out like dogs. Completely impotent.

>>212502521
Again, humans actively rejecting the non-choice based matrix versions is hard canon, and proof everyone can break the rules of the matrix.

>>212502703
2005 vintage, appreciate it.

>>212494452
You’re low IQ

>>212502793
>humans actively rejecting the non-choice based matrix versions is hard canon, and proof everyone can break the rules of the matrix.
Yes but not to the extent of the One, the One has special programming that allows him to bend all the rules plus his code is necessary to rebooting the Matrix with the whole returning to the Source thing.

So anyone can bend some rules but not anyone can be The One.

>>212502725
;_______;

>>212502864
Yes, being able to wake up AT ALL, before the choice system, is hard breaking the rules of the matrix. It was coded to be impossible. But everyone could do it.

>>212502891
It's not my fault you are stupid and missed the obvious clue meant for the audience..
Please tell me you are trolling and you kids aren't that incredibly stupid you missed bleeding fucking ears as a clue. I've now gone from meh to there is no way your generation is so stupid they'd miss a main characters ears bleeding.

>>212497284
Cypher was pretty bloody busy doing something and then absolutely shit himself when Neo appeared. It seems to me that he was setting it up and wasn't expecting somebody to catch him. Luckily for him it was Neo, who can't read the code, and who would have no idea what all the inputs he was doing meant. Then he made up some crap about spying on women.
I have nothing to back it up, but I always assumed that Cypher was on the graveyard shift, used the opportunity to set up a meeting and to jack himself in, got caught by the new guy but managed to deflect what he was doing, then following the meeting was jacked out by the Machines. We see in the video game cutscenes they filmed onset during the sequels that they do have self-use plugs you can lower yourself onto to get in and out.
Most of this is assumption and using stuff from the sequels to back it up, so it does actually show a failing in the film that we have to try to fill it in ourselves.

>"You shouldn't put people in Matrices!"

Borat: "Ehh,why not?"

>>212502917
Waking up is rejecting the Matrix altogether. Being able to be inside the Matrix and bend its rules to defy gravity or stop bullets its another matter.

You are mixing up two concepts. One involves rejecting the simulation, the other involves modifying it.

>>212502995
This isn’t even a semantic argument. It’s just confident ignorance. It is, again, hard canon that the first two versions of the matrix did not allow for rejection at all, yet people were able to do it. Thus rejecting those versions is BREAKING the rules of the matrix. All humans could do it.

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>>212502970
;__________;
u sound like an assmad redditor

>>212503158
>>212503193
Seriously consider returning to reddit and staying there, for your own sake

>>212502995
>>212503088
isnt the entire matrix destabilized by the existance of the one, so breaking out gets easier. its why morpheus says they released more minds in the last six months than the last six years or something in the beginning of reloaded. i thought that was also the explanation for how "the kid" got out, even though he ends up being a fairly mundane person

>reddit, slow replies site, therefore low iq
>4chan, fast replies site therefore high iq

no?

>leftover vampire ghosts from an older version of the matrix
>leftover ubermensch fighter named 'seraph' and referred to as the 'wingless one'
i love these little tidbits in reloaded

>>212503088
The movie establishes very well that:
1. As of the current version of the Matrix, anyone could potentially wake up on their own, but most people that did, needed a red pill. It was rare for people to wake up on their own. It was common in the first two versions so as to cause a system crash, thus requiring the addition of choice.

2. Everyone could bend the internal rules of the Matrix (gravity, etc.) with training but not to the extent of the One.

Two separate concepts and no semantic mumbo-jumbo will conflate the two. Hard to even see what point you are trying to make here. The One was a singular entity, not anyone could be The One. Neo had the code required to reboot the Matrix, thus Deus Ex Machina needed him to reboot it and eliminate Smith.

>>212503292
i dont remember where the lore came from but didnt merovingian take seraph's wings in the deal that freed seraph from being an agent or something?

>>212503292
Same. I do wish the Twins went out in a better way. The Keymaker and Trainman could have been better if they'd been mythological beings of some sort too

Posts that invoke outside sites need to be automatic bans with the ban page linking them back home.

>>212503461
twins were so well conceived visually but mattered so little to the story, they are maybe the most overtly "style over substance" aspect of reloaded.

>>212503264
The matrix isn’t stable at all and the instability increases over time. The cycle is about having the least stable human choose to kill all of the resistance and extract the next least stable humans to found the new resistance.

>>212503264
Yes, as of the current (movies 1,2,3) version of the Matrix, most people accepted the simulation and very few rejected it, but the number of people that rejected it built up over time, creating a systemic crash. Thus requiring a reboot. Presumably they also needed a reboot to reboot history otherwise people would notice they are permanently living in the late 20th century.

Enter the One, which is a controlled opposition type program, that destabilizes the Matrix but in a controlled fashion, becomes a Messiah to the liberated Humans, and ultimately returns to the Source, reboots the Matrix, and rebuilds Zion with 16 handpicked Humans of his choice.

Basically, they couldn't prevent the people rejecting the Matrix building up over time, so they came up with a reboot mechanism built around a figure who would be controlled opposition. (Guided by the Oracle, which is literally a program of the Matrix).

Things change on this sixth reboot of the Matrix, because the Oracle has grown fond of Humanity, wants peace between Machines and Humans, and nudges Neo into picking the other door.

>>212503542
I'm >>212503551 but yours is a good summary.
Congrats for being so on point it's a skill.

>>212503551
>because the Oracle has grown fond of Humanity
eh i dont like giving oracle all the credit like that. we could also look at it as neo having an innate quality that makes him different than other ones and not able to follow the matrix the machines built outside of the matrix

>>212503332
The red pill was just about the resistance pulling people out. The choice system allows people to reject the matrix subconsciously and not just wake up immediately.

And for the love of Christ, think about what “THE ONE” means. Words mean things. Does “THE ONE” need his leader to be in danger to come into his abilities to break the rules of the matrix? Does “THE ONE” need a kid bending spoons to tell him how to break the rules of the matrix?

And shit, remember that “THE PROPHECY” is bullshit the machines invented to create the cycle in the first place.

>>212503670
Maybe it's both yeah, but the Oracle plays a huge part. She gives Neo the "cookie" which presumably is what turns Smith rogue when Neo "kills" him at the end of the first movie. She nudges Neo and Trinity to fall in love with each other. And she allows herself to be assimilated by Smith and make him believe he is destined to win the fight with Neo.

But yeah at the end of the day the Oracle didn't decide for Neo. It was his choice.
Thus at the end of the trilogy, the Oracle tells Seraph she didn't "know" things would turn out that way but she "believed".

>>212503729
The One is built into the system. The Architect spells it out. You didn't understand the movies I'm afraid.

The Machines can't even reboot the Matrix on their own, the way it's designed, only the One has the code inside him needed to reboot it. They made it so they need a Human (THE ONE) to make the choice to do it. They want Humans to CHOOSE to continue being enslaved.

>>212497602
>Someone on the ship has to be awake, if nothing else then just to hit the EMP button if something bad happens, right?
Conceivably he IS the night watch. And since he's working with the machines he knows there isn't going to be a surprise sentinel attack, and he can just drop in to the nearest phone and not have to find some obscure "safe" exit point.

>>212503890
The architect spins a yarn implying the machines are in control and have any idea what’s going on. Just calling it “the anomaly” is proof they have no idea how or why the choice system was necessary or why humans could, by default, break the rules of the matrix (read: wake up) at all.

>>212500508
>when morpheus bodies a fucking upgraded agent by himself
I wouldn't say he "bodies" him, most of that fight is spent with him just trying to buy time, and only ends because another agent smashes into their truck with another truck.
Also it was never that you couldn't fight an agent as a normal, but that it was always a bad idea because you weren't going to win.
If neo hadn't shown up and snatched him off the trailer he would have been dead.
Morpheus is also established to be one of the biggest badasses in the setting.

>>212503890
>They want Humans to CHOOSE
I dont think so, tim. machines only want humans to choose the matrix because if they dont, the matrix wont work. and the only reason they want the matrix to work is because they dont want to execute humans, they actually want to keep them around, theyre just afraid of them.

>>212504009
The Architect doesn't understand choice and doesn't understand Humanity. He is the cold, rational, analytical program, only concerned with code and equations. All he knows, is that there was an error in the system that built up over time (because of Human free will not being accounted for), that he couldn't fix, and that the Oracle fixed it by creating the Choice system and the Path of the One.

The Oracle does understand Human psychology, and choice, she is the intuitive program that filled in the gaps that the Architect missed.

Thus the Architect is the Matrix's Father and the Oracle is its Mother.

The things the Architect tells Neo are correct, just explained from his analytical and more Machine-like point of view.

The third movie is so underrated. It's extremely ballsy and bleak for Hollywood standards.

>>212504054
We are saying the same thing. And yes they need Humans to choose to fix the error that builds up over time and which their code can't account for, read >>212504146

>>212504175
I really liked it. The mechs were badass. The machine city was pretty cool. Everyone just hates on it because they didn't like the resolution of the cliffhanger

>>212492351
>not anything else in the movie
>yeah Mouse's death scene, that's the best scene in the movie, by far

Mouse was that one kid who had a black belt in kararte but even a nerd could beat him up in high school.

>>212500169
he literally has asian blood you blind moron

>>212500242
>the jewish narrative to say non-white people are in fact non-white
shill bot faggot

>>212504146
>The Oracle does understand Human psychology
The oracle’s understanding of humanity is akin to our understanding of dark matter. We don’t know why distant galaxies don’t operate according to Newtonian physics but we understand and can predict the discrepancies.

The matrix is all about Gnosticism and dualism. The machines are entirely physical entities, humans are not.

>>212504241
u gotta admit neo going blind and trinity driving the ship like a woman and dying wasnt super satisfying. not to mention the neo vs smith grand finale was rushed and all their cool ideas couldnt be applied to it

>>212504241
Everyone was filtered by this movie. Including me. Although in my defense I was 14 years old. On rewatch many years later, it's a brilliant and very polished trilogy, things on the third movie are already set up in the first.

>>212504324
you just became dumber or more numb with age.
the first movie has all the philosophy, 2+ were just cashing in on a franchise

>>212504293
The whole point is that Machines gradually become more Human-like. The Architect is very cold and machine like, pure rationality. The Oracle is a program designed to understand Humanity and thus takes on more Human qualities (intuition, belief, etc.) but she's still a program at the end of the day.

Enter Sati, which represents the Machines coming up with the concept of love. She literally represents the concept of love. And she becomes the third architect of the Matrix, at the final reboot we see in the end. The last version of the Matrix, incorporates the concept of love as its guiding principle.

>>212504303
I liked the Neo vs Smith fight

>>212504241
It's an epic, with the scope and tragedies of one. Hollywood would never be able to make a movie this brave and well directed today. Its CG effects are beyond most movies today. That scene where the Machine makes a deal with Neo to destroy Smith is so good.

>>212504391
No. The sequels delve into different themes - the meaning of leadership, the meaning of free will, the meaning of love, the meaning of religion. The first movie introduces these concepts but its the sequels that make them matter.

>>212504452
>That scene where the Machine makes a deal with Neo to destroy Smith is so good
It really is. Especially the machines having the collective face of a baby considering what a young race they are, and how filled with fear they are.

>>212504439
>Machines gradually become more Human-like

The ones nearest to humans, you mean.

>>212504293
>The matrix is all about Gnosticism and dualism. The machines are entirely physical entities, humans are not.

Smith and all the programs are all like spirits because they have no bodies ironically.

>>212491631 (OP)
cute boy

>>212504589
No, remember Sati comes from the Source. (Although it's true she had to be smuggled out to avoid deletion). Ultimately she is accepted and incorporated into the workings of the Matrix.

But the implication is that Machines are becoming more Human-like in general.

>>212504660
Sati is the offspring of two programs that operate systems inside the matrix.

>>212504700
Yes, and she has no purpose, she was born out of love. She represents the concept of love.

"Cookies need love", they beat you over the head with this.
For the Matrix to be perfect it's missing that third ingredient.

>>212504591
They’re files moving around computer systems. The inverse of people who are souls (for lack of better word) moving around physical reality.

thank you for not devolving into a "what if there was a matrix within the matrix" discussion i hate when that happens

>>212504742
So the programs operating near humans defied their programming, procreated, and then refused to delete their offspring.

A main point of the matrix is humans altering programs just by interacting with them, which is in the first movie, as smith had, in fact, become “infected by it.”

>>212491631 (OP)
Nah, He rescued everyone but not everyone was considered the chosen one.

>>212504923
>So the programs operating near humans defied their programming, procreated, and then refused to delete their offspring.
No, the programs that created Sati were programs in the Source, AFAIK they didn't interact with Humanity.
But all the programs are connected with each other ultimately so maybe it was a byproduct of understanding Humanity better, yes.

>A main point of the matrix is humans altering programs just by interacting with them, which is in the first movie, as smith had, in fact, become “infected by it.”
Infected by it is a cynical take, but yeah you could see it that way.

>>212500496
This. It's understandable that he panicked (I guess) but come on he could at least kill/hurt a few. Such a waste

>>212504986
>they didn't interact with Humanity
rama-kandra tells neo his and his wife's functions and they're programs that govern operations in the matrix.

you're arguing against direct statements from characters in the movies.

>>212491631 (OP)
So why did the oracle say neo wasn't the one when he clearly was? was she a fraud hack?

>>212505470
note that she doesn't say that. she gets neo to say that. and then deflects when he tries to confront her about it later.

>>212505451
No, they come from the Source.
Rama-Kandra was a power plant manager.
Kamala was a programmer.

I rewatched the trilogy recently so I'm fresh in my memory, but if you doubt me rewatch the scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGbrsj_odwU

They didn't interact with Humans, at least not directly.

>>212505620
anon. the "power plant" is the thing all the humans are plugged into.

>>212505470
>was she a fraud hack
i mean, kind of. in my view the oracle is as trapped in her ways as morpheus is, even though she seems to be far wiser as to whats going on, as the movies goes on it seems more like she has no idea what is going on and is just stirring shit up

>>212505680
Watch the scene. They come from the Source. They say it multiple times, on the Source a program with no purpose like Sati is not allowed and faces deletion so they have to smuggle her out. They are literally at the connecting point between Matrix and Source. They send their daughter off into the care of the Oracle and return to the Source. They didn't interact with Humans.

"Power plant recycling systems manager" can mean any number of things, Humans are not the only power source of the Machines, they also have fusion plants.

>>212505705
the point of the movies is she's just as willing to break the entire system to 'get out' as smith and the previous version humans were. she's putting all of humanity on the line to force a change.

>>212505764
anon. you're stupid. all programs come from "the source." rama-kandra and kamala are programs that govern operations within the matrix. just being near humans was enough to get them to defy their programming.

>>212505813
>just being near humans was enough to get them to defy their programming
where are you getting this head canon from

>>212505764
>"Power plant recycling systems manager" can mean any number of things

>i've seen the dead liquefied to be fed to the living

you are dumb as a fucking stump.

>>212505848
>i fear i may have become infected by it
>t. a machine defying its programming in the first movie

>>212505787
She doesn't want to get out, she wants to force a change and peace between Machines and Humanity.

We never get to see what the new version of the Matrix looks like (no the 4th movie doesn't count), but if we take the ending of Revolutions a number of changes have happened:
1. Zion won't be destroyed. Humans and Machines will be at peace.
2. The new version of the Matrix incorporates Sati (love), so it's probably a kinder and less oppressive Matrix.

3. Presumably Humans will be allowed to wake up gradually and the Matrix will be phased out or continue in a more limited form, with Humans in Zion and Machines working together to find an alternative solution to the energy problem but this is not said in the movie this is literally my headcanon.

>>212505867
so because smith said he was afraid he was infected by it in that one line in his monologue, youre extrapolating all this bullshit? lol

>>212505851
>>212505813
"In our world this is not allowed", what do you think this means retard? They live in the Source, they don't interact with Humans.

>>212505952
it means they are programs governing various functions of the matrix, like the recycling system that liquefies the dead to be fed to the living, and just by having that level of interaction with humans they have been changed enough to defy their programming and act in a manner that isn't in line with it.

it means the "instability" caused by "the anomaly" is not limited to humans within the matrix or even programs that interact with humans directly (smith), but keeps spreading. this is hard canon.

>>212505906
hence why "get out" was in quotes. the oracle doesn't want out of just the matrix, she wants out of the cycle. she no longer wants to be the entity who feeds an isolated moron to the architect who'd choose to exterminate the resistance and start it all over again. and if her bid to break the cycle failed, if her non-singular candidate wasn't able to broker a peace, she's not just killing the resistance, but everyone connected, as per the architect's warnings, and forcing the machines to adapt to new levels of "survival," which won't include a system that rogue programs can escape to. read: she'd be deleted too.

>>212505906
>the 4th movie doesn't count

Wait what? You mean the Animatrix? All of those were canon weren't they?

>>212506052
>it means they are programs governing various functions of the matrix, like the recycling system that liquefies the dead to be fed to the living and just by having that level of interaction with humans they have been changed enough to defy their programming and act in a manner that isn't in line with it.
He specifically says he is not from the Matrix. "Power plant recycling systems manager" can mean a number of things, nuclear fusion plants have recycling functions as part of the regular cycle (cooling systems as well as the nuclear fuel itself). It's also possible he is involved with the recycling of Human bodies. But we never find out.

Point is they don't DIRECTLY INTERACT with Humans, they live in the Source.

>it means the "instability" caused by "the anomaly" is not limited to humans within the matrix or even programs that interact with humans directly (smith), but keeps spreading. this is hard canon.
Yes, I said that from the beginning. You claimed they interacted with Humans directly and lived in the Matrix, this is wrong. They come from the Source and didn't interact with Humans directly.

>>212504986
>They didn't interact with Humans, at least not directly.
>>212504986
>ultimately so maybe it was a byproduct of understanding Humanity better, yes

We are in agreement except you keep insisting these programs interacted with Humanity directly and they didn't.

>>212506221
>He specifically says he is not from the Matrix
The "POWER PLANT" is the matrix.

>>212506254
He lives in the Source. He returns to the Source and leaves Sati in the Matrix, under the care of the Oracle.

This is a very basic plot point anon.

>>212506221
>ctrl+f
>directly interact
>1 result: (you)

please re-read >>212504923 >>212504589

>>212506158
Yes, I agree.

>>212506184
No, Animatrix is canon.

WB released a new movie last year that I wouldn't consider part of the continuity. Most fans don't.

>>212506292
anon. you're trying to argue against the central plot point that THE POWER PLANT is THE MATRIX

>>212506356
>>212506328
He doesn't live *in* the Matrix. He lives in the Source.
The whole power plant thing is open to interpretation.
But I wouldn't say he is "one of the nearest programs" to Humanity.
He doesn't interact with them directly.

Ultimately this is a nitpicking autist argument because we both agree that Machines are changing due to contact with Humans. But these programs come from the Source, they don't live in the Matrix.

>>212506426
>>212506426
>The whole power plant thing is open to interpretation.
No. It is definitely not. Humans are plugged into the power plant. The recycling system is dead humans being liquefied to be fed to the living. You're just digging into this retardation because you feel insulted for doing so and want the last word.

>>212506472
I literally don't care about the power plant thing. It's irrelevant. Fine, you can have that point if you want.

The main point is that they come from the Source.
Which is important because it means the whole Machine race is evolving.
Even those that don't directly interact with Humans but manage systems outside the virtual environment Humans are plugged into.

This is important because it's another explanation as to why Deus Ex Machina is willing to cut a deal with Neo.
I mean Neo has him by the balls because he needs him to reset the Matrix and delete Smith. But also the Machines as a whole race, are changing and understanding Humanity better. They are becoming more Human-like.

>>212506583
>i don't care about the thing that REFUTES MY ENTIRE STANCE

okay

>>212506602
You are acting like a petulant child.

The power plant thing is your headcanon and ultimately irrelevant to the point I'm making. Rama-Kandra lives in the Source, connected with the other Machines.

>>212506666
>be wrong
>be proven wrong
>y-you're a petulant ch-child

okay

It's like I'm reading two nerds arguing in the 1990s. No one even used a wojak. Or a smug anime face. Its beautiful.

>>212506583
>The main point is that they come from the Source.
>Which is important because it means the whole Machine race is evolving.

You fuckers are killing me because you are making me want an ACTUAL sequel to the Matrix. I wish the creators didnt go nuts and give up for 4.

>>212506725
You haven't proved anything, I gave you the scene and the quote, you didn't provide anything. The quote says he manages the power plant recycling systems (open to interpretation) and lives in the Source (fact).

>>212503797
that cookie contains the One code that makes Neo a dev + it's the code that must be returned to the source to reboot
>"you've got the gift, but you're not the One. you're waiting for something - your next life, maybe."
Neo grows in strength as he begins to believe he is the One, but he doesnt gain his actual One powers until he dies and the cookie code resurrects him. this is also what helps to seed Neo and Trinity's love, leading to peace between man and machine when Neo chooses Trinity in reloaded. the oracle orchestrates it all, it's why the architect tells her "you've played a dangerous game" at the end of revolutions

>>212506737
>>212506765
Yes this was a good thread, glad you enjoyed it too.

>>212506776
I have disproven your entire stance with direct quotes from scenes you, yourself have posted, that you try to dismiss because you "don't care about them." because of course you don't, they prove that your entire read of the films are completely wrong.

you're just being willfully stupid at this point. so what is left but to mock you?

>>212506765
just because the movie (read: ACKSHUN) itself was bad doesn't mean the loredumps aren't canon. i hated the mmo with passion but i don't consider it non-canon.

>>212506841
>I have disproven your entire stance with direct quotes from scenes you, yourself have posted
No, they don't disprove my stance, that's why I posted the scene. Why would I post something that disproves me?

> that you try to dismiss because you "don't care about them."
"Power plants systems manager" is open to interpretation and ultimately irrelevant to the point I'm making.
The point is that Sati comes from the SOURCE, the Machine World. So it's not just the programs inside the Matrix that are changing, it's a deeper change that is happening in the Machine World as well. And obviously since Sati needed to be smuggled out to avoid deletion, that change is not complete, but it's indication that something's changing.

>you're just being willfully stupid at this point. so what is left but to mock you?
I'm being perfectly logical

>>212507000
>"Power plants systems manager" is open to interpretation

there is only one "power plant" in the franchise. the thing all the humans are plugged into. There is nothing "open to interpretation" about this.

>>212507100
Objectively wrong, on the first movie Morpheus says that the Machines obtained their energy from Humans *and a form of fusion power*.

On the second movie the Architect says "there are levels of survival we are willing to accept" meaning they have another power source that could allow them to operate at a reduced level, Humans are not the only power source.

>>212507184
Nope. it is quite explicitly shown that there are no power generation facilities within the machine city. they follow the conduits from "THE" singular "POWER PLANT."

you're just making shit up a this point. its pathetic.

>>212507237
You jumped the shark, badly.

"There are levels of survival we are willing to accept" [if the Matrix collapses and all Humans die Machines will survive]

It's pretty clear.

>>212507184
>>212507237
i think you're both arguing semantics and both your reads are similar, if not compatible.

>>212507376
yes, without "THE POWER PLANT." read: humans.

>>212507404
He's hung up on the power plant thing because he wants to be "right" but it's irrelevant to the point that Sati comes from the Source. Change is also happening there, among the Machines.

>>212507449
Please explain, if the Matrix collapses, and there is no secondary power source, how can a Machine survive without power.

>>212507450
I'm "hung up" on "the power plant" because its the thing all the humans are plugged into. read: the matrix.

I've also noticed how you stopped talking about how rama-kandra managed the recycling systems.

>>212507478
significantly lesser power sources, and significantly fewer machines.

>>212507486
>I'm "hung up" on "the power plant" because its the thing all the humans are plugged into. read: the matrix.
It can't be the only power source, otherwise please explain >>212507478

>I've also noticed how you stopped talking about how rama-kandra managed the recycling systems.
Never stopped talking about that. The entire conversation is about that.

at the train station, were they smuggling sati INTO the matrix?

>>212507515
So there are other power plants, I accept your concession.

>>212507561
>there are other power plants
other, significantly lesser, power sources. I have no conceded anything. you're just being willfully stupid to "win" an argument against fact.

no one is trolled.

>>212507548
Yes, because if she stayed in the Source she was to be deleted. They smuggle her out of the source and into the Matrix so the Oracle can take care of her.

Weird I just watched the matrix and reloaded last night (for probably the 30th time)

I actually liked the Zion scene in the new matrix with Will smiths wife and the machine turned ally Morpheus 2 guy. Shame they just left all of that to one scene and didn't even expand on it.

>>212507599
>Mfw the Oracle and the Merovingian probably trade Exiles constantly
>Mfw the psychic training is a means for the Oracle to sweeten the deal hence why the Merovingian has cronies without discrete legacy powers still capable of holding their own
>mfw that's how he replenishes his forces between iterations
>mfw no fw

>>212491797

>Zoomers applying modern day bullshit to shit made way before the CHRRENT YEAR

The most badass character in the movies? General UUAAAAAAAHHHHHHH