Thread 212493767

Are you the guy that made a thread complaining about HBO max ?

>>212493937
No.

I am prepared to raise 1,000 men, subsist them at my own expense and march them myself
to the relief of Boston.

>>212493767 (OP)
Huh, I made a screenshot like that years ago.

>>212495362
GOAT casting

>>212493767 (OP)
Powder wigs were a way to combat balding?

>>212495362
>We may yet have need of your generosity.

>>212495410
He didnt say that

>>212495410
Kino recognizes kino.

Huh. Never seen or even heard of this show before.

>>212496393
Good for you, you get to watch a masterpiece for the first time.

THOMAS JEFFERSON...SURVIVES!

Still no response to this mogging

GODS I was strong then Franklin

What happened to the HBO

>>212493767 (OP)
You insulted OP. You insulted him in his thread. Perfectly acceptable to insult someone on IRC, sometimes they may even thank you for it afterward. But when you do it on /tv/, they tend to think you are serious.

>>212493767 (OP)
This dude really hates Quakers

I would gladly lend my hand to sink the whole board of /tv/ into the ocean

>>212495362
We never got a really good George Washington focused movie/tv series because George is too OP

>>212493767 (OP)
Its a SHIN piece.

Abigail Adams looked like she kept it hairy.

>>212493767 (OP)
started off so strong, then just turned boring halfway through

Does this series ever touch on how the French single-handedly won the war of independence for the amerifats?

>>212498036
Yes. Watch it.

We will exhaust all on-topic approaches, Mr. Anon. And we will do it with or without the approbation of you and your Baneposting insurrectionists!

>>212498036
securing french support is a major plot point. not sure what the point of this butthurt thirdie post is supposed to imply because the US has never downplayed the importance of france's help

>>212493937
>>212495447
>>212498034
>>212498036
Watch your words, sir.

>I can't take five french noblewomen at once
>In debate, Ben?
>In a debate right?

>>212498147
If I'm a sharpe bro will I like this series?

>>212496393
Top tier biopic of the life and times of the most underappreciated and arguably one of the most important founding fathers, played by Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney steals the show as his wife.
The cast all around is just top tier.

>>212498097
>US has never downplayed the importance of france's help
Bro most Americans don't even know France was involved at all.

>>212498179
>Too autistic to get French pussy

>>212495447
Lice. They'd shave their heads and put on a wig powdered full of bug killer.

>>212498036
there's like 3 episodes dedicated to it

>>212498214
according to...?

>>212498187
It's not really military focused. If I recall there's only a single sea battle shown on screen

>>212498097
I'm willing to bet money that a large portion of "patriotic" Americans have little to no idea what France did in the revolution.

>>212498214
the dumb masses of any country are ignorant of their own history, thats irrelevant. im judging it on the academic institutions and the public schooling which have always made sure to emphasize that french support was vital.

>>212498280
Go ask a few of them.

>>212495447
No. In formal society the powdered wig was just like a tie with a suit.
Even people with full heads of hair were usually still wearing them.

>>212498187
john adams is a must watch. arguably the best series ever made

>>212498324
>>212498298
>>212498214

we are taught about lafayette and the french support from like age 10 dude you severely underestimate how much American's learn about the revolution in school it's part of the patriotic brainwashing

>>212495491
not generosity sir, DUTY

>>212498214
Bro, you can go into the deep fucking south and every town has a "Lafayette Square/Park" pronounced in all kinds of interesting ways from town to town. Personally my favorite was lu'fate

>>212496920
>>212493767 (OP)
The John Adams miniseries is great because it shows exactly what an opportunistic traitor piece of shit Hamilton was and how everyone hated his ass.

>>212498147
>Watch your words, sir.
it fell off a cliff halfway through the series

>>212498036
Single handedly my ass. Their navy was extremely important and America would've most likely lost as the Brits would've had free reign to send more troops and attack marchent ships, but the vast majority of the land battles and victories were from the Continental army.

>>212498630
Rufus Sewell plays a wonderfully hateable greasy scumbag too. Seriously, does he ever play an objectively "good guy" lead role outside of dark city?

>>212498734
Him in court defending the British soldiers, and getting the different colonies together to declare independence was 10/10 kino.
Him in Europe was 8/10.
Him as VP was 7/10.
The rest, some stand out scenes notwithstanding (mainly Hamilton scenes) was meh.
Didn't dig his love affair with Jefferson.

>>212497479
the real people would namedrop the kikes.

>>212498222
He's just pissed off he's not on Haiti.

>>212498201
What I found endearing about the show is that most people walk around debating ideals, convictions and deep held beliefs. It is also a weakness of the show since it leans too much on idealism, it's a hagiography of the founding fathers. I used to think like that about Enlightement too, there were good people there, but not among the politicians.

>>212499077
>Him in court defending the British soldiers, and getting the different colonies together to declare independence was 10/10 kino.
>Him in Europe was 8/10.
>Him as VP was 7/10.
>The rest, some stand out scenes notwithstanding (mainly Hamilton scenes) was meh.
>Didn't dig his love affair with Jefferson.
that's what I'm saying...10 -> 8 -> 7 -> 3ish
started out amazing...

>>212499155
shut up achmed

>on screen for ~2 minutes
>most memorable performance of the whole thing
How did he do it?

>>212499407
>Off-screen character is built up for most of a miniseries as a despotic tyrant who has driven the colonies to war.
>Show reminds you that he is but a man.

>>212499229
Its based on a specific biography that used a lot of his letters/correspondence, which is a big reason for that tone.
And among the founding fathers there were some people there for genuine reasons that called them to action.
A lot of the political cancer sets in later. Like the political parties were never really supposed to exist. The federalist and the democrats were trying to establish how the country would work, and after things were settled the parties were supposed to go away because that's a little antithetical to the idea of combative representational government.

why do europeans downplay the significance of the american revolution?

it’s a monumental event in human history and it reverberated throughout the world, you could even say its effects are still very much being felt.

>>212499753
because its just brits because only they speak english and they are butthurt because its a war they lost? are you retarded?

>>212498243
>put on a wig powdered full of bug killer
Wouldn't that just accelerate the balding?

>>212499753
It's odd how they jerk off the Napoleonic era when the French Revolution would never have happened without ours.

>>212499753
Actually we do learn how insanely influential it was to the revolutionary French, the 1848ers and basically every European nationalist movement ever.

>>212499407
hollander is the GOAT

>>212493767 (OP)
>>212498630
>>212499005
I love the part where Adams said he'd rather be foreign minister to the barbary pirates than serve under Hamilton

>>212498222
he was a coalburner

>>212495362
>subsist them at my own expense
He was the richest man in the country at the time.

>>212499972
The development of new technologies, giving way to a rising educated, urban middle class, meant revolutions against the aristocratic establishment was only a matter of time.

>>212500412
Except that DIDN'T happen in the most industrialized countries, only in assbackwards places like France and the German empire.

>>212500472
Bri'ish already had parliament, and were only true tyrants when it came to their colonies.
Dutch were also a republic of sorts.
And Spain were going through a collapse of their empire, but still had several (unsuccessful) attempts at getting a constitution.

>>212499155
Washington and Franklin were both Zionists (Freemasons).

>>212500699
>and were only true tyrants when it came to their colonies.
Not true at all, British society was far more repressive for the common individual than the German Empire or France ever were.

>>212500802
>The junkers did nothing wrong!
OK, Heinrich.

Allow me to enter the conversation. One method of homeland pacification that the British used that was unique to them was the punishment of transportation.
Many of the families or individuals who had anti-state tendencies were usually sent abroad to a colony, be that Georgia or later Australia.

>>212500870
Yep. A big part of why Britain never had any major liberal or left revolution was not only because they were insanely repressive compared to the rest of Europe, but also had an exceedingly much more efficient state.

>>212499407
>It's just good business..

>>212499972
>the French Revolution would never have happened without ours.
I don't know about that, the powder keg had been set in france for a while, most of those revolutionary ideas came from french parlors in the first place.

>>212501128
An idea is just an idea but once you've seen it functionally succeed in practice, things change a lot.

>>212500059
lol it was a deep cut

>>212499407
the eyes
he has crazy eyes
he speaks perfectly evenly and formally, but his eyes are screaming murder

>>212499972
the american revolution would have never happened with the english civil war. that's a fact and john adams said as much you fat, deluded moron.

>>212501220
Nobody said otherwise but that's not what was being discussed, Nigel.

>>212501220
*without, I mean.

>>212493767 (OP)
If only they knew America was going to have way worse religions than Quakers in government.

Who was the GOAT founding father?

Giamatti is such a bad actor bros

>>212501273
There are some great ones. Washington, Adams, Jefferson are all S+.

>>212498036
But Vietnam getting support from the Soviets is never brought up because...?

>>212501273
John Carroll of Carrollton.
t. Catholic

>>212498988
the french had to drag washington to yorktown to finish the thing off. The freemason cocksucker was so inept at warfare that the only thing he was 'great' at was keeping his cuck soliders in line by threat of death.

>>212501405
Bad bait, but I'll bite.
How did the French "drag" Washington to Yorktown?

>>212498179
>Franklin beloved by almost everyone he ever met
>His secret was he asked people for favors
Wtf, is it that easy?

>>212501273
Ben Franklin is sometime call the founding Grandfather. He was involved in the revolution but would have been far more formidable had he been born 30-40 year later.
Washington generally gets the top dog status since he probably could have been king and established a monarchy but passed
on it.
James Madison is often considered the “writer” of the constitution.
I think Adam’s as much of a dick he seemed to be had principles and stuck by them.
Hamilton/Jefferson are overrated.

>>212501510
He also had the intangible quality of being exotic in a nice way to anyone he met, even his own countrymen.
Franklin is a fascinating man.

>>212501273
Big Ben

>>212493767 (OP)
Adams was a gay nerd desu senpai

>>212501448
>hurrdurr feed me basic bitch history.
No, amerifatt, I will not.

>>212501555
>goes to France
>wears a rustic fur hat wherever he goes to play up the American Frontier Yokel image
>gets pussy from all the rich Frenchies who want to try a Real Man's Man™
A master at work.

>show set in the 1700s
>nothing but Dutch angles, zoom ins, fast cut, shaky cam bullshit

Wtf gives?

>>212501825
This is the one complaint I have with this show, it's really stylistically weird and distracting at points. Wondering if they wanted to copy Oz or something.

>>212501777
Based GILF hunter

>>212493767 (OP)
>Dickinson
Gay

>>212498097
85% of amerisharts couldnt even find france on a map you little faggalot

>>212502332
Well said, Ivan

>>212501825
Uh the Dutch helped America, it's only fair it had some Dutch angles you know

>>212501825
LOOK AM DIRECTORSING

>>212501825
idk why but ive actually come to like the dutch angles in john adams a lot. its just comfy for some reason

>>212493767 (OP)

>I sit in judgement of no man's religion. Now I will judge your religion.

What a dick.

>>212502565
It's basically the 18th century version of
>I'm not the type to care about BBQ styles, but this shit is ass

>>212495362
>>212499407
>main protag is named George
>main villan is named George

boomers now expect us to believe any of this shit happened

>>212501825
It was a tumultuous time and so of course the camera should feel tumultuous.

>>212498036
Their pain goes deeper, anon. They helped fund the revolution and when they tried to imitate us to a degree, John Adam's said fuck off. It is why he was a one term president. His stance was very unpopular

>>212501825
Artifact of the 2000s. Barry Lyndon is the only film I’ve seen where a good effort was made to direct and shoot the movie stylistically as if film cameras had existed in the time period it was set. I think Coppola tried something like that in his Dracula but it just came out retarded

>>212499407
By sometimes amusing himself by arranging such little elegant colonies.

>>212498201
>Laura Linney steals the show as his wife.
Does she have any scenes with a heaving bosom constrained by a corset?

>>212499972
The American or French Revolution could never have happened without the Jacobin cause and its defeat at Culloden, causing the dispersal of revolutionaries into America and France.

>>212503167
>Jacobin
Jacobite. Also, what the fuck is this, the Outlander version of history?

>>212503222
?

>>212503222
To be fair, the writers really did make it rather confusing by using basically the same name for two distinct revolutionary factions, while making them ideologically opposed.

>>212503323
The Battle of Culloden was the defeat of the Jacobites in Scotland.
The Jacobins are a completely separate ideology in France, that happens to have a similar name.

>>212503222
>what the fuck is this, the Outlander version of history?
I just made it up based on what I remember from Outlander and what I've seen of Scots who won't shut up about the importance of Muh Culloden, so yeah.

>>212503323
Jacobites and Jacobins are about as ideologically opposed as its possible to get, you moron.

>>212497850

The George Washington in Turn was pretty fucking kino.

Goddamn I need to watch this again.

>>212503363
the fookin' french are gonna be fookin' french

>>212503387
Culloden itself is kino in its own right:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1TZq6DfKKA&pp=ygUWY3VsbG9kZW4gcGV0ZXIgd2F0a2lucw%3D%3D

Bonnie Prince Charlie was too pure for this world. And by pure I mean there was not a single thought going through that royal head of his

>>212503379
>>212503363
Now I can't help but wonder how many times I've seen or heard someone talk about Jacobins and thought they were talking about Jacobites fomenting rebellion because that's just what they do.

>>212501316

He's alright but he always feels like a good character actor, nothing more.

>>212499753
I think it's moreso our own american hollywood jews downplaying it by never making kino founding fathers movies. all we get is lincoln slop

>>212503648
>good character actor, nothing more.
Character actors are the gods of actors and I'm sick of the worship of Movie Star™ actors where they rely entirely on their leading man charisma. Giamatti could have easily been a Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise if he looked better. They could never have been him.

>>212499005
Man In High Castle?

>>212498036
The France that helped America was destroyed by Napoleon and doesn't exist anymore. We don't owe the current iteration of France anything :^)

>>212503648
>>212501316
Giamatti is fucking brilliant you plebs

>>212499005
Pillars Of The Earth, kind of? He's humble Tom The Builder, architect of the cathedral and kindly stepfather. He's kind of a scumbag because immediately after his wife dies in childbirth and he leaves the baby to freeze to death on her grave he spends a night fucking a random hedgewitch they meet on the way from the grave and shacks up with her after that, but the story doesn't treat him like a scumbag for doing any of that because it's "true love" or some shit.

>>212495362
>I am prepared to raise 1,000 jannies, subsist them at no expense and march them myself to the relief of 4chan

>>212496393
I watched it when it aired
>t. zoomer

>>212501825
>>212502529
Tom Hooper has overused the shakycam and quirky angles in his movies but I thought it worked very well in John Adams. It helps bring the historical events and setting back down to earth instead of feeling like a formal museum piece.

>>212502390
>John Adams meets with the Dutch Confederation for war funding
>First shot of them is nearly a 1:1 of a Rembrandt painting

Kino gag, got a good chuckle out of me.

Why did they use Dutch angles so often?

>>212504496
John Adams was ambassador to the netherlands

>>212493767 (OP)
Thou needs to calm thyself. It was merely a ruse, good God sir!

>>212497479
(((London Bankers)))

>>212501316
He's terrific in a goon session though

>>212498417
Kino!

>>212501316
kys

>Invents a swivel chair
>Invents religious freedom
>Bangs black bitches
>Buys 1/3 of modern America
How can one man be so based?

>>212504730
how the hell could the swivel chair be invented so late, were everyone retards?

>>212504730
>invents method of proportional representation used in many countries today
>gets named after some random guy 100 years later from Ghent instead

>>212498630
I once had an argument about this with someone during the height of Hamiltonmania. I semi-compromised by saying that whether or not Hamilton was a villain of general history, he was certainly a villain in Adams' story, and that's all that mattered to his portrayal in the show.

>>212505163
Son of a bitch. I thought I was a poli-sci buff, but I didn't know about this.

Is Thomas Paine in it?

>>212505431
No.

>>212502854
that’s one of the gayest things I’ve ever read

One of the most GOAT castings of all time

John Adams arguably has one of the greatest casts ever assembled. Its one thing to cast a single role perfectly, but every actor in this series was fucking perfect. The casting directors dont get the recognition they deserve. Criminally underrated series. No other actor alive will ever perfectly portray the founding father better than these guys.

>>212505436
Why the fuck not

>>212499753
A mere few years later the French would dab on the Amerifat peasant revolution with the high kino arc of the French Revolution leading to it being transformed into an empire. Amerifats are so self absorbed.

>>212498036

As long as you admit that their "help" was simply to harm their British rivals and was totally self-centered.

>>212505733
The single-episode actors for the Declaration of Independence episode were kino, and not listed in your picrel.

>>212505839
because it's about John Adams

>>212505923
youre leg pulling me

>>212505963
>You're filibustering me!

>>212506004
Do they at least have a strong bipoc who secretly wrote the declaration of independence [Spoiler]between buck breakings?

>>212505337
Once again Europeans overlooked the precedents of American ingenuity for their own haughty values.

>>212505733
>>212505908
Everybody's good in it.

There's a movie called 1776 which was probably the best thing before this came out.

>>212497479
Oy vey Jeff, cool it on the anti-semitism.

>>212506079
IIRC the race and slavery issue is only mentioned twice in the entire series, both in passing.

>>212498222
>That young French noblewoman is very attractive. I may like to rape her.
>Jeff, again, we are not allowed to simply go and rape anyone we like, especially here.
>...it is more urgent than ever we establish our own nation.

>>212506302
NTA, but once by Franklin and once by Abigail?

>>212500870
Largely this. They simply shipped any uppity Irishman off to hell hole Australia and let them seethe down there while dodging abos and snakes. Any that continued being uppity got hung by the marines, if they could catch them. On the other hand if they behaved themselves and planted a British flag, they got lavish farms and wenches.

>>212506349
Bingo. Though now that I think of it Quincy might have also said something of it in the final episode when he becomes president.

>>212506461
John Quincy Adams was kino in his own right.
Was a one-term President, and re-entered Congress after, and died in the Capitol during a debate.

>>212503363
>We're the Judean People's front
>we are NOT the People's Judean front, they're a bunch of Wankers.

damn forgot to do my usual 4th of july rewatch. I was at a quaker wedding once. it was pretty nice.

>>212507263
Quakers in general are pretty fascinating tbhfam

>>212498243
>>212499966
Tards

>>212507295
yeah it was pretty mellow and ebullient. plus it gave me an excuse to wear my poet's blouse though if I had more balls I would've worn a tunic.

>>212496393
Here is a key scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W85-geSW8s&t=2s

>>212498222
His wife made him promise not to get romantically involved with anyone else on her deathbed and he kept that promise.

>>212493767 (OP)
Giamatti is a kino machine. Thought he might be washed, but The Holdovers is great and he's still got it.

>>212507637
She didn't say sexually though lmfaoooo

>>212501546
He also chose not to run for office because he didn't want to divest himself of his many business ventures

>>212499753
The French learn about it because the French Revolution would not have happened without the American one. Bongs are in denial and spend 90% of their history classes learning about how Elizabeth I destroyed the Spanish Armada and how Europe must suck their dicks for dealing with Napoleon. None of this matters because they will all be speaking Urdu in 50 years because their elites are ethnically cleansing them.

>>212500870
>Allow me to enter the conversation. One method of homeland pacification that the British used that was unique to them was the punishment of transportation.
Many of the families or individuals who had anti-state tendencies were usually sent abroad to a colony, be that Georgia or later Australia.

And now those same shitty elites are importing a billion boat wogs and Pakis for the same reason, to pacify the uppity locals.

>>212501220
Literally my family left Bongland during the English civil war.

>>212501405
Washington and Ulysses S. Grant were the same sort of generals, awful except for when it really counted and good at instilling discipline.

>>212508873
I think most generals in history are pretty shit and made boneheaded mistakes all the time. Hyperefficient gigachads like Sherman are few and far between.

>>212507263
I grew up Quaker. It's pretty fucking schizo. You sit in a room in total silence until someone has an epiphany. Of course the loudest and most annoying person controls the discourse. My grandfather had a Quaker funeral and his cousin rambled for 20 minutes awkwardly because you're not allowed to interrupt anyone. Quakerism was always pretty gay but it's completely zogged now. Full of secular kikes, atheists, and maoists.

>>212507764
>The Holdovers is great and he's still got it
That scene where he finds out the woman he was interested in who invited them to the party has a boyfriend broke my heart, you see the hurt in his face immediately.

>>212501722
>basic bitch history
Shut the fuck up.

>>212509279
>You sit in a room in total silence until someone has an epiphany. Of course the loudest and most annoying person controls the discourse
Lol, my grandma was a Quaker and my dad said the *exact* same thing about the services. And of course the (quite nice) meetinghouse was in niggertown. Quakers and UN/UA have been nigger-loving Northeastern "elites" since before the hebrews got here.

>>212509411
As I said before, because Quakers are so passive they just get walked all over. In the 90s secular kikes and leftists got really interested in Quakerism. Of course these "people" are totally alien to Anglo American norms around civility, silence, and patience and they would just inject their poison into everything. Jews love to talk and their pilpul started to dominate. It got so obnoxious that my aunt quit the meeting house and went to a Unitarian church instead. I hate k*kes so much it's unreal. This so how they dominate places. They show up to a place and act so annoying until all the original people leave. Now they own the thing.

>>212509340
Oh yeah. That hit hard iyktf.

>>212495362
>>212495491
really need these two in a plane scene

>>212509706
>because Quakers are so passive they just get walked all over
Except for the whole basically starting the whole American abolition movement you mean?

>>212510120
Difference between 18th century and 21st century Quakers is enormous. Many people converted to mainline protestantism, especially Episcopalianism.

>>212501273
John Marshall

>>212510470
Seems to me as if the tradition for social activism is sustained.

>>212495435
Completely disagree. The casting was the worst part of this show. Stephen Dillane did good as Jefferson but it's hard to imagine him being bad in anything. Also Jefferson was my favorite character by a lot so I may be biased.

>>212504473
Having lived in NL I can say with certainty that Dutch people are this full of themselves.

>>212498036
allow me to let you in on a little secret my retarded friend but the same way the americans would have lost without the french so too would the french have lost without the americans.

>>212498036
Actually the injuns did :^)

>>212501722
>when a non-american tries to explain american history to an american
you're incredibly brown arent you?

>>212498630
>>212499005

To be fair to Hamilton, he was one of two Founding Fathers who actually fought in the Revolutionary War (the other being Washington) and saw firsthand the consequences of a weak government that couldn't pay or equip its armies.

>>212503942
>The France that helped America was destroyed by Napoleon and doesn't exist anymore.

It was destroyed by Robespierre and the Jacobins long before that yah dingus

>execute King Louis and his wife
>torture their son to death in prison
>we Republic now
>begin chopping people's heads left and right for wrongthink
>turn Notre-Dame into a literal warehouse
>massacre 1/3rd of the entire population of the Vendeé for daring to protest having their priests beheaded
>all of this years before Napoleon even came onto the scene

How Thomas Jefferson was able to defend this travesty with a straight face is beyond me. He definitely doesn't take nearly enough shit for it.

>>212500802
Shut up and give me your papers.

>>212499753
>peasant revolution #7161
Now go read about any random day of WW2 and it's more eventful than this shit

>>212511654
Don't forget smashing up the statues of biblical kings because you think they were french kings.
Literally the ancestors of the BLM inconoclasts.

>>212504243
I will force this with all my might.

>>212498036
yall niggas should go back to dressing like this

>>212511654
>>212511768
All based, his only flaw was not going nearly far enough, we'd be living in paradise now if every reactionary had been purged.

>>212509279
Quakerism is a feminist religion replete with many instances of the same types of protest tactics seen amongst feminists today like stripping naked in inappropriate places. They also exhibit and have always exhibited a strong out group preference which eventually led many to establish colonies in Africa.

I have HBO MAX and I can't watch this show, why is that?

>>212505094
>were everyone retards?

>>212504730
>boys are over at Jefferson's office
>proofreading the declaration of independence
>Benjamin Franklin suddenly exclaims about Jefferson's genius
>cut to Franklin
>he's playing around on the swivel chair

>>212513372
It was on Max at some point. I have no idea why they randomly take shit off that they own

>>212513592
They do it because they licence the shows out to other streaming services and often those come with some kind of exclusivity deal so Max takes the title off. The entire company is hemorrhaging money if you're wondering why they'd do this.

>>212513550
Great scene. Really all the scenes where Adams, Jefferson and Franklin are just guys being bros are great.

>>212500782
More like, get the Jews out of my country if you ask me.

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>True Blood
Recommend some kinoes i missed

>>212514031
Deadliest catch

>>212499407
the absolutely insane buildup and the bizarre minutiae of royal formality, it's as surreal as the red room scene in Twin Peaks

>>212497479
fug

>>212498036
The tea tax was to pay for your faggot injun war
Thanks for Louisiana territory btw

>>212498630

Why do progressives worship Hamilton anyway?

>>212514031
First few seasons of Silicon Valley

>>212499407
>seems genuinely upset that the colonies didn’t want him as king anymore
>seems genuinely moved that John Adams still respects him

It was an interesting conversation

>>212514237
Tried to make the federal reserve right at the start. They tried again later but Andy Jackson shut it down
They finally got their central bank in 1913 and you can see what happened since

The takeover was hatched on Jekyll Island of all places lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_Island#Planning_of_the_Federal_Reserve_System

>>212514261
God damn I want an Andrew Jackson mini series so bad.

>>212499972
The French revolution was gay

>>212514237
They made a musical full of PoC playing the founding fathers. To go against that would be like them not posting fag flags online during pride month. Not going to happen.

>>212511654
Its even worse than this. French revolution was a bunch of faggots and they even had a failed paper money scheme where an insane amount of real wealth went missing.

>>212514031
Carnivale is great as long as you're ready to be angry that they canceled it after two seasons. Damn shame.

>>212511654
Fair, I did skip some steps there.

based thread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT2zyy07Si8

not 100% accurate, but still a great scene

>>212514512
>I was born for the storm. A calm does not suit me.
Old Hickory was one tough bastard. He got amazingly lucky in New Orleans, but damn if he didn't hate Biddle and his bank idea... I Indian removal was something else. Telling the Supreme Court to fuck off was a bold move.

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>>212515476
banjo playing intensifies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL4BbTGI2E8

>>212514031
the leftovers seasons 2 and 3

Why didn't King George simply say he was jewish so that the Americans would be eternally obedient?

>>212515734
Americans were antisemitic back then.
It took two world wars and decades of Anglo-Jewish influence to warp them.

>>212515555
The British forces steadied their heavy artillery with a plentiful commodity in New Orleans: sacks of cane sugar. After each gun had been fired a few times, they got so hot that the sugar in the sacks melted and gummed up the guns. That disabled most of the cannons in their fortifications.

>>212515821
That sounds like an urban legend, but I don't know enough about NOLA or sugar to dispute you.

>>212503167
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>>212503560
>jacobite
>revolutionaries
The jacobites were absolute monarchists who believed in the divine right of kings, former jacobites in america were overwhelmingly loyal to the british regime
The american rebels despised highland scots and jacobites
>The situation in the colonies in early 1776 also provided a background against which Highlanders could easily be thought of as a threat to the cause of independence. Lowland Scotch and Scotch Irish were in the forefront of the move for independence, but Highlanders probably were more loyal to the Royal cause, and more ready to take up arms against rebellious colonists, than were any other ethnic group. A gentleman of Philadelphia wrote on May 18, 1776, to a friend in England: "Believe me, Sir, these [demands for independence] are the sentiments of all degrees of men in British America, a few tattered Scotch Highlanders excepted, who have lately emigrated, and whose ignorance, feudal notions and attachment to names> keeps them servile and wholly at the beck of their Chiefs. .. . In this Province, English, Scotch, and Irish, are equally engaged in the great cause of liberty. Indeed many of the Scotch have particularly signalized themselves in the cause of freedom."
>The British authorities made the most of this local situation. In early 1776 Highlanders were active with the forces of Sir John Johnson in the Mohawk Valley, and some 300 were forced to throw down their arms by General Philip Schuyler.10 In North Carolina Highlanders made up a large part of a Tory force raised by Governor Martin that was defeated by colonial militia at Moore's Creek on February 27, 1776. News of the Highlanders' defeat reached General Washington at Cambridge, and in a letter of April 1, 1776, to Joseph Reed he spoke of "those universal instruments of tyranny, the Scotch."11

>>212515787
>Anglo-Jewish
Nice try but the influential founders were all Anglo and originally had most or all the rights of Englishmen in Europe under the crown
Everyone else came after starting with French mostly who already had a large colonial presence in the Americas. WW1 wasn't until the 20th century which is way after the founding and also created the first income taxes that were suppose to be temporary to pay for the war

>>212516040
>When the Declaration of Independence was drafted and debated in the closing days of June and early July, Americans were familiar with the German treaties, and the Hessians were already on the high seas headed for New York, where the British after their evacuation of Boston were preparing an attack. However, no Hessian had set foot on American soil, and no shots had been exchanged between them and the colonials. But with Scotch Highlanders Americans had already come face to face as enemies, and blood had been shed. Early in 1776 some 3,000 Highland troops had set sail from Greenock, most of them headed for Boston. When they arrived, General Howe had already evacuated that hotbed of rebellion. So, early in June four of the transports, with nearly 500 Highlanders, were taken prisoner by the Americans, but only after Major Menzies and seven Highland soldiers had been killed and several Americans wounded. Word of conflict with the Highlanders, and their capture, spread throughout the colonies. The Highlanders were buried to the dirge of bagpipes, and the captured officers were marched up the streets of Boston. The prisoners were widely dispersed. A captured Highland officer wrote to a friend in England: "As it was thought improper for us to remain at a seaport, we were ordered sixty miles up the country .. . on our journey no slaves were ever served as we were; through every village, town, and hamlet that we passed, the women and children, and indeed some men among them, came out and loaded us with the most rascally epithets, calling us "rascally cut-throat dogs, murtherers, blood hounds &. &." But what vexed me most was their continual slandering of our country (Scotland), on which they threw the most infamous invectives; to this abuse they added showers of dirt and filth, with now and then a stone.5"

>>212515855
Most sugar back then wasn't well refined, like the table sugar we enjoy today. It was closer to brown sugar. It melts quickly and it's sticky. And when it cools it gets rock solid.

>>212514031
Escape at Dannemora and Olive Kitteridge

>>212514237
They mostly overlook what his actual plans for the US was.

>>212516458
Which were? I've had to hear that stupid fucking musical too many times because of liberal white women. It's like three hours long!

>>212516040
They were by definition revolutionaries thoughbeit, though their core ideology was reactionary.

>>212497479
It's neat because of how he's right and wrong simultaneously, partially due to his classical education and being on the spectrum.

>>212515787

based and correct

>>212516583
And they were overwhelmingly loyal to the british government, to the point where the term scottich being synonymous with tory and there were basically ethnic cleansings and violent attacks on highland scots in the carolinas by patriots

>>212513525
>Religioin

>>212516656
He's literally me

>>212517188
He very well could be, he just had the time, money and drive to use his skills instead of being stuck here forever.
You could be a brilliant hero too, anon.

>>212514031
The Terror

>>212496798
>HE LEFT THE BAND!

>>212516138
Dey only make suga wyte cuz dey racis n sheet

>>212498214
I hate europeans so fucking much

>>212498214
Its even in mainstream movies that the French helped a lot, like The Patriot. Learn it even in crappy public schools too. You're just some kind of euro trash lol. You prob even love importing brown people.

>>212501273
john hancock

>>212517676
oh come on they are portrayed as a comic relief side kick in the patriot

>>212498036
>single-handedly won the war
>by not lifting a finger until the Americans were already winning
sasuga

>>212503841
Didn't he turn his back on Hitler towards the end?

>>212511232
John Marshall also.

>>212517865
I couldn't tell you, once the black communists magically showed up I nope'd the fuck out.
Not even trying to be edgy but the Nazis and Japs were the only good parts of the show. The protagonists were bland and unlikable.

>>212495362
I still don't believe George Washington existed. We don't even know of any descendants to this day from one of the most important men in america

>>212517960
Yeah, same. But it seemed like that's where it was going with his kid getting sick

>>212518019
He only sired daughters, but he had many sons.

>>212518048
Just like father Abraham!

>>212518019
What? Robert E. Lee was famously married to one of his descendants.

>>212518450

Lee married the descendant of one of Washington's step-children, born from his wife's first marriage. Washington and his wife tried to have children of their own but suffered only miscarriages.

>grr the slaves grr womens rights grr you should prioritize constantly pampering me over the entire country grr
Fucking hated his wife, the Lisa Simpson of that show. Also just kind of lost interest after the first few episodes desu, they should have just made a full length american revolution show with that cast

>>212518629
I thought she was cute and loyal and a good wife.

>>212510900
>Dutch people are this full of themselves
wat

>>212518813
Yeah, how dare that anon. He should send you a Tikki for your troubles.

>>212502383
Nobody told you to be a mad sore loser, yet here you are.

>>212518834
It's just a very odd thing to say about us, we're extremely grounded and down to earth. It's the French that are full of themselves

>>212518621
The Custises were famously full of themselves.

>>212515787
>It took two world wars
huh
america was already golemized in 1913

>>212514031
The Chosen

>>212518907
The irony of this post is lost on the Dutchman. What's your tikki? I'll send you a dollar for your troubles.

>>212505733
couldn't agree more. This miniseries came at just the right time. Everything was absolute top standard - the casting and SFX were absolute stand outs.

>>212518987
Being surprised is not being full of one's self

>>212514031
Gaslight
Same subject matter as white house plumbers but much better executed

>>212519011
Referring to yourself as grounded and down to Earth while talking shit about others and not recognizing you're doing any of it is peak Dutch arrogance

>>212511920
As someone who enjoys the democratization of the government processes it really doesn't work if the education system isnt proportionally beefed up, the working masses loss their class consciousness, and corporations are given the same rights as individual persons.

>>212505733
hated the fake nose on Washington, found it so distracting. should've either got someone else to play him or just let us use our imaginations a bit

>>212519192
Shut up commie

>>212519192
>As someone who enjoys the democratization of the government processes it really doesn't work if the education system isnt proportionally beefed up, the working masses loss their class consciousness, and corporations are given the same rights as individual persons.
>>212519236
>Shut up commie
Thomas Jefferson stated this assumption frequently: “A well informed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.” “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” “An informed citizenry is at the heart of a dynamic democracy.”

>>212493767 (OP)
This. Can't stand Quakers. ESPECIALLY the dude on the oatmeal box. Always judging me with those eyes and that smug grin whenever I get honey, syrup or cereal.

Seriously, what the fudge is his problem?

>>212519345
Yeah, we get it, Ho Chi Minh. You read Jefferson. You're still a commie homo pedophile.

>>212519345
Also Jefferson:
>When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.

>>212495362

The Boston Tea Party was an inside job.

The Boston Massacre never happened.

Benedict Arnold was a hero.

King George III did nothing wrong.

R V L E _____ B R I T A N N I A

>>212515476
Andrew Jackson drove his stallion-pulled carriage up to the White House lawn. "Damn I love being white" he said, punching a slave child as he climbed out. "I think we respect Native American lands" said Marshall; "Shut up Tory" came the reply from behind a veil of pipe smoke. "Please sir" said the nebbish chief justice, "Georgia has the ancestral lands of the Native people, where they have lived in an entirely peaceful utopia for thousands of years. They don't even know what war is!"

"Sounds like WOKE NONSENSE to me" guffawed Jackson, his very presence introducing DDT into the ecosystem as he uncorked a bottle of claret. "This is MAGA country now, boy" he proclaimed before shooting interned Cherokees with an unregistered flintlock.

>>212519783
>"NATIVES COULD BE HERE", Jackson thought.
>"I've never been in this state before. There could be NATIVES anywhere."
>The cool wind felt good on his bare chest. Yankee Doodle reverberated his covered wagon, making it pulsate even as the $0.20 brandy pulsated through his thick powerful veins and washed aways his (merited) fear of minorities after dark.
>"With a horse, you can go anywhere you want," he said to himself, out loud.

>>212504243
kino

>>212519345
>Thomas Jefferson stated this assumption frequently: “A well informed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.”
show me in that quote where he advocated for a federal education system

>>212518629
dumbass lol