Tekwar edition

threadly reminder that shatner thinks geezer trekkers have no life

Im about to watch Star Trek IV for the first time what to expect

I noticed that Nimoy directed it but im a Shatchad so i dont know how to feel.

>>212510915
t. an alleged trek fan who seethes about version 0 of the holodeck

>>212515135
It's lighthearted, none of the TOS Movies are bad

>>212515434
O Plaptain my Plaptain
Yes I shamefully would
Oh Plantain my Plaptain
Go out for chippies after, good
Oh Plaptain my Plaptain
Skinny girl behind you looks a dyke
Oh Plaptain my Plaptain
She's fit though, she can watch if she like

The Constitution class must have been a piece of shit. The Enterprise was demoted to a training ship just ten years after its only mission, then its replacement was retired just a few years later. Meanwhile the Oberth, Excelsior and Miranda all had a century of service.

>>212516093
Excelsior Class starship are the anomaly, they are the longest serving class in the history of starfleet.

>>212516413
Best looking class

>>212514784 (OP)
What ship are you visiting at the fleet museum, I'm going straight for the HMS bounty

>>212517100
The warbird in the hopes that one of the bunks still smells like Romulan girl

>>212517642
Cute!

>>212517100
I hear it stinks.

>>212514784 (OP)
My tier list
S Tier
>TNG
>ST VI Undiscovered Country
>ST TMP
>ST II The Wrath Of Khan
A Tier
>DS9
>TOS
>ST IV the Journey Home
>ST III the Search For Spock
B Tier
>VOY
>ENT
>ST V the Final Frontier
C Tier
>Star Trek Generations
>Star Trek Insurection
>Star Trek First Contact
>TAS
>PRO
D Tier
>Star Trek Nemesis
F Tier
>Abrams Movies
>STD
>Picard
>Lower Decks

>>212517907
Not as bad as Enterprise or DS9

>>212517969
Yes it is far worse than kino ENT and DS9

>>212517969

In 10 years y'all be wishing that Trek was the same quality as DISCO.

>>212518077
No I won't because I won't have ever watched STD to know the difference

>>212518097
>didn't watch STD
Lucky

>>212518077
True. DS9 was hated in it's time, then VOY was worse so people pretend it was good. TNG was hated by original fans and mostly just ripped off old ideas. VOY was hated until they saw Enterprise, then Enterprise was hated until they saw JJ, and on and on. You'll get Star Tok in a few years, one minute vibepisodes where influencers do stuff in a Starfleet shirt, and you'll remember DISCO fondly.

>>212518229
I don't see what the problem is. This current era of Trek is the best it's ever been. DISCO, ShoTre, PIC, LOW, SNW, PRO, and SFA. It's beloved by millions of fans and propelled Paramount+ into the top 10 streaming services.

>maybe if I reply to myself they'll start taking the bait
Favorite S2 TNG episodes? For me, it's "The Schizoid Man" which, hard as it is to believe, is not an episode written about Nu Trek posters.

>>212518395
People who have made politics their identity need everything new to fail so they can maintain their idea that everything everywhere is worse. You could write papers on it but that's the gist of it. If you released DS9 as-is today they'd complain it was woke garbage.

>>212518229
>You'll get Star Tok in a few years, one minute vibepisodes where influencers do stuff in a Starfleet shirt,
Short Treks is a step in that direction

Just one week left until the return of Trek with an all new season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.

It's Gorn to be great!

>>212518422
Lol

>>212518605
Looks stupid

>>212518605
I just watched the inner light, it was amazing. I don't want to watch gay nutrek sucky shit.

Shakaar sucks

>>212518605
compound eyes make no sense on a creature of that size or height

>>212519378
what is even the advantage of compound eyes?

>>212519401
Wider field of vision with lower resolution. You see less of more, as opposed to single-aperture eyes where you see more of less; smaller field of vision with higher resolution

>>212519478
>times arrow
Hey why did guidance look older in the 19th century than she did in the 21st

>>212519401
>>212519475
it works really well when you are small (similar to how slitted pupils work for ambush predators low to the ground like snakes and foxes, but do not work for larger predators like lions and wolves)
It allows for faster reaction time too.
This video is more for tetrapod eyes, but gives you a starting point to go down the rabbit hole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6UTU80vnjE

>>212519478
>$0.10 has been deposited in your H&I account

>>212519478
oof. i'd skip this entire night.

>>212519478
DS9 sucks so fucking bad

>>212519478
>First Flight
KINO

>>212517100
I'd probably steal the Enterprise-A and watch what wacky shit will happen.

>"soup. no bowl, please."

>>212519608
Mods, erase that entire post.

I think Geordi is more technical than Scotty, but those guys run their ships so well that they're both stars of the show.

>>212520276
Based

>>212521151
I'd like to think they would be friends and then I remember Relics.

>>212521300
Scotty was over the line. Geordie was right to reprimand him.

>>212519478
A pretty shit line-up honestly

Time's Arrow is an awful two-parter

>>212521151
Scotty is a vibe engineer.
There, I said it.

>>212521518
The voyager episode has brad dourif as its guest star

>>212521766
Isn't he a seriel killer?

>>212521511
>it's a retirement community

>>212521923
Where does he shit?

My hot take is first two seasons of Discovery are really good, they have so much flaws and try to do somwthing different, but are enjoyable.
At least it gave us SNW

>>212522034
They just beam the poop out.

>>212521766
Oh yeah, I forgot he's in that doing the Die Hard routine. Basics is the best episode of the lot but half a two parter never sells me.

>>212522054
I love all of DISCO. The more Michael, the better! #slay #queen

>>212522034
He beams the poo and piss right out of his colon and bladder

>>212514784 (OP)
What games are most like trek to /tv/. The SNES TNG game was pretty faithful

>>212522210
I really like her, but I would have prefered that she was not related to Spock.

>>212522768
I would have preffered if STD never existed

>>212522210
Pure, concentrated retardium...

>>212522054
>SNW

>>212521879
An aspiring serial killer. He only kills one guy before Tuvok arrests him.

>>212515124
>as part of a comedy bit
Ok faggot jewboy. My next rewatch of TOS season 2 is dedicated to you.

>>212522054
The first season had some potential. Clearly no one listened to Bryan Fuller and he fucked off and it went off the rails after that.
>muh SNW
I have no idea why it isn't as garbage as STD but I'm not going to think about it too much lest I manifest that reality

>>212522699
Gotta be Bridge Commander as the most faithful, right?

>>212522699
>snes TNG game
I think I remember that one. It was a sort of a flight/dogfight simulator right? Good one. Other pretty good ones
>star trek 25th anniversary (point and click adventure game)
>voyager FPS, I forget the name, not great but fun
>old "trek" unlicensed strategy games, picrel is EGAtrek

>>212523542
This is EGATrek 3.1, the non-Trek version that the dude made because he got lawsuit threatened. EGATrek 2.1 is the Star Trek version.

>>212523542
>>212523632
Kind of hilarious they used to threaten lawsuits over shit like that

>>212523632
>Mongols
>Department of Space
Luckily it’s not too hard to make the substitutions. By the way, was this the one where you could use tribbles as fuel for the reactor core? Or was that VGA-Trek or something?

i tried watching the star trek 1979 motion picture the other night
i was getting more and more excited as kirk resumes command of the enterprise to take on this mysterious space being headed towards earth
then my enthusiasm just fizzled out as it became clear that it's just another predictable spooky star trek space monster that will eventually be defeated or reasoned with before the credits roll
i was expecting KHAAAAAN and drama and twists and turns but i realised none of that was coming so i just quit after the bald alien woman got "possessed"
should i just watch wrath of khan or what?

>>212523841
>should i just watch wrath of khan or what?
Sure, but remember Khan will eventually be defeated or reasoned with before the credits roll

>>212523841
Think of The Motion Picture as the luxury version of a TOS episode.
>tell me which movies to watch
Just watch them if you want, they aren’t that long. I like 2 and 4 and First Contact the best, for different reasons, but they are none of em perfect.

>>212523865
yes but is there drama and struggle and suspense and peril?
or is it just more "spock!" and scotty fix engines, and bones being overly familiar?
is there any actual complexity to the characters?
i know star trek isn't a character study but that movie just felt well made, but 2 dimensional

>>212523981
>the luxury version of a TOS episode
excellent description
i haven't watched a lot of TOS to be honest, but there always seemed to be at least a bit of peril
i like it when there's a moral quandary or a difficult choice
that movie felt like painting by numbers

>>212523542
>snes TNG game
>I think I remember that one. It was a sort of a flight/dogfight simulator right? Good one. Other pretty good ones
That was the starfleet academy game. The TNG game has top down dogfights where you get penalized for destroying enemy ships, you're supposed to widdle their health down until they hail you to surrender, and the longer portions of the game are spent managing top down away team missions, where people like Data can go to areas without oxygen, geordi can see in the dark, Crusher can heal, worf is the tankiest, bridge officers can have other characters follow them etc. You can even beam down a bunch of no name ensigns. In-between dogfights and away missions you are on the bridge managing repairs and destinations and accessing info through the ships computer. Starfleet academy is a more robust simulator of a bunch of historical missions and has 97 remake on PC that's more palatable then the starfox type graphics in the 94 game. The TNG game is a really faithful console game but the 25th anniversary PC point and click is probably the best remembered from the nineties.

>>212523841
There isn't a bad TOS movie, v is the weakest but still feels very star trek. I don't know why TMP is filtering you, it's paced slowly but it's more thoughtful than Khan. VI is the TNG epic superimposed on the TOS series and sets up why starfleet is so different in TNG than TOS, it's a great bridge between the two series ... that released during the 4th season of tng

>>212524237
Since you are asking the right questions, my honest recommendation is, if you are momentarily annoyed with Star Trek, to look at the closest-related franchises
>Horatio Hornblower
>Master And Commander
>Babylon 5
personally I love Hornblower and Aubrey-Maturin novels,

>>212524481
>you're supposed to widdle their health down
>widdle
where i'm from (northern england), that was either a word for penis, or doing a piss, when i was a child

>>212522699
I personally think every Star Trek branded game ever made has been pretty awful. I wish it weren't true but it is.

>>212524620
>widdle
Is that arabic? How do you say it in English

>>212524237
>yes but is there drama and struggle and suspense and peril?
Yes in TMP and Wrath Of Khan. TMP develops Decker and Kirk
>or is it just more "spock!" and scotty fix engines, and bones being overly familiar?
You're surprised star trek things happen in star trek movies?
>is there any actual complexity to the characters?
There's a tonne in TMP, if you don't think decker and kirk develop you must not have finished the movie
>i know star trek isn't a character study but that movie just felt well made, but 2 dimensional
The biggest character study movie is 6 because it's about Kirk getting over his hatred of klingons. But these are ensemble movies focusing on the problem more than focusing on every individual character.

>>212524595
i rewatched master and commander a couple of weeks ago and it's absolutely phenomenal
never seen hornblower, i was always more of a sharpe fan
the (hornblower) main character looks more like a male model than a competent captain, but i'll give it a chance
i've heard good things about babylon 5 so thanks for the recommendation

>>212524620
Whittle, I misspelled

>>212517843
Std deserves its own tier so far down its at the center of the earth

>>212524692
not arabic, english
it's pronounced as it's spelled - to rhyme with "middle"

>>212524653
That's not an unpopular opinion, I just played the shit out of SNES TNG and the Gameboy TNG games. They both are split between space/away team missions and I feel they captured the feeling of the shows well. I also think they would be decent or good games without the license. Encounters is a neat historical game where you can play missions from every era, starting with enterprise, then TOS, then TNG/DS9/VOY.
>
Like I said you're in the majority, I am in the minority in having enjoyed a lot of star trek console games and feeling they are underrated.

>>212524781
Fair but i can't but it below F Tier or picard. It's like I told my wife
>I hate discovery, but it's a bunch of shit I can pretend doesn't exist. Picard is too close to home, it can hurt me.

>>212524719
i did enjoy the decker vs kirk subplot, it was probably the highlight of what i watched
but you're right, i didn't finish the movie
the big disappointment for me was how great the production and performances were (especially shatner and nimoy), but then the story just felt so linear and predictable, as opposed to 90% of other star trek stories
maybe it would've surprised me if i'd stuck with it

>>212516629
No Fat Chicks

>>212524996
Idk anon, the usual opinion is that Wrath Of Khan is the peak but I like all the movies and watch khan the least (It was my first DVD I got for Xmas with a ps2 in 2001, I watched it alot then and don't revisit it often). I'll be interested to hear what you think of them when you finish 1&2.

No jerking on the promenade.

>>212518229
>you'll remember DISCO fondly
I won't ever remember STD fondly, it's been 15 years since JJ schlock and I still think it's terrible and I still hate the theme song of ENT. You're opinions might change with what's popular, but thinking anons stick to their opinions regardless of what the dominate narrative is.

>>212524996
decker merging with a robot to create a new form of life was predictable? nonsense. voyage home is the boring predicatable one.

>>212523841
>this Star Trek movie is too much like Star Trek!

>>212525172
>I still hate the theme song of ENT
i felt the same way when i first heard it but it grew on me
to be fair, it has been a long road
getting from there to here
it's been a long time
BUT MY TIME IS FINALLY NEAR

>>212524595
>Aubrey-Maturin
Jack = Kirk, peak gigachad
Stephen = Garak, no trek doctor is a good fit
Bonden = O'Brien obviously
Diana = Troi, dark hair, massive whore
Awkward Davies = Worf, violent retard

>>212525282
Fine by me as long as you're not shilling STD

>>212525252
>decker merging with a robot to create a new form of life
i didn't get that far into it
now i wish i'd kept watching because that sounds pretty mental

What would your perfect Star Trek movie be like?

there are many many things to hate about ENT but the theme song is not remotely one of them

>>212523409
It would be top 3 for sure

>>212525146
No gooning either.

>>212525254
it wasn't too much like star trek at all
for me, star trek is about exploring new original concepts
big dangerous alien psychic space jellyfish is weird but not original for star trek
maybe it was in 1979, and that's why it felt boring to someone who has already watched all the TNG and half the VOY episodes

>>212525380
TMP or Undiscovered Country

>>212525511
>all the TNG and half the VOY episodes
Whoa buddy, we got a diehard trekkie here!
>Snark aside
You get TMP existed before those shows right?

>>212525172
>>212525282
I said it in a previous thread but Archer’s theme(the closing credits song) always should’ve been the enterprise theme. Faith of the heart is funny, but it doesn’t belong in a trek show. Archer’s theme feels like a Star Trek opening theme because it was designed to be. It fits in with the rest of the show. Faith of the heart and calling it just Enterprise for the first two seasons were a detriment to the shows viewership.

>>212525647
Honestly if there was no faith of the heart theme it goes 7 seasons

>>212525570
>TMP existed before those shows
yeah that was my point
i guess TMP's story was fresh in 1979, but to someone who's seen TNG it's just a little stale
that's no fault of the TMP writers, just an unfortunate symptom of watching it after TNG (which built on star trek stories like TMP)

Archer puts in his headphones and listens to Faith of the Hearth on a loop while he lifts weights. And occasionally it makes him tear up

>>212525647
It was the first Trek show that clearly felt a little bit embarrassed to be Star Trek and tried pretty hard to be something else.
It's kind of ironic that Berman went from feeling the way he did about DS9 being a departure to then threatening to overcorrect with VOY to again going back to "serialization and subversion good!" with ENT.

People act like Berman is the supreme curator and arbiter of Trek who kept it pure but ENT is the show he has the strongest creative influence on (not just being Executive Producer but also co-writing a huge percentage of its episodes) and it's definitely the least like TNG than any other show of his era. It's more serialized than DS9 even.

>>212525721
That’s what I’m saying dog. Enterprise had story problems sure, the first two seasons are rough (so are the first two seasons of TNG and DS9 but hey whose counting) but faith of the heart is a massive turn off to casual viewers.

>>212525786
which captain had the most Faith of the Heart?
i reckon janeway

Hello /trek/. I am here for the white women.

>>212525891
I'VE GOT STRENGTH
OF THE SOUL
AND NO ONES GONNA BEND OR BREAK ME

>>212525816
The serialized parts of enterprise are the strongest though. The first two seasons are like worse TNG. The show doesn’t know what it wants to be yet. Once it hits the xindi war is when it starts getting decent. Not getting to the Romulan War was a major misstep, but all of the smaller arcs in season 4 are dope.

>>212524692
The correct word is "whittle".
Look it up.

>>212526079
It's already serialized in S1 from the get-go though. I know because I'm rewatching it currently and just got to S2. But they're always referencing shit that happened last week and in previous episodes, at least in dialogue. The temporal cold war thing builds over a series of episodes.
There are no over-arching stories like that in Berman Trek outside of TNG. Worf is never like
>Remember when that barrel fell on me last week?
But Trip is always saying stuff like
>I'm not gettin' stuck in a shuttlepod like last time, cap'n!
I don't know, it's just a weird show. The theme song, the very in your face, almost desperate feeling attempt to sex things up like pic related (would be fine if your show was like TOS but ENT was not at all like TOS), the plastic looking gray steel sets, the coveralls. It really felt like it was embarrassed to be a Star Trek show, that's the best way I can put it.

>>212526286
>outside of TNG
I meant DS9

>>212525252
It's how the Borg were born.

>>212525380
Forbidden Planet.

>>212526342
probably not since there were borg in delta in first contact and ENT, but its plausible the mechanical race that created vger was related to the borg

>>212526518
Yep

which episode is the "YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM!" one

>>212526725
For The Uniform

the Klingon plot in ENT feels very forced, stupid and boring.

like...they have a vendetta against Archer because he *checks notes* saved refugees who were literally half dead already? they didn't even make an episode about that it literally just starts out with that being the situation having already occurred. and then they make the episode about the trial which doesn't matter because he gets imprisoned anyway even though even the Klingons say he's technically not guilty...so why make me watch this in the first place? so I can watch yet another Archer gets captured by an alien worthless episode and this time it's a bounty hunter? and then Duras blew himself up chasing them into the expanse so I guess they will blame Archer for that too and send even more fuckers to get him. over what? that one incident? it's so boring. or maybe i'm missing something.

>>212526286
Yeah fair. The temporal Cold War does go on throughout all 4 seasons which is way too long and it does try to distance itself from previous Trek. It tries to make Trek…cool? And it doesn’t really work. I do still think the later serialization works especially because the show gets more comfortable in itself. Enterprise gets some things right. I know this is wishful thinking on my part, but 3 more seasons and it would be remembered more fondly.

>>212525380
The undiscovered country. It has everything star trek should have.

>Watch TNG for the first time starting with Season 1
>All these attractive women: Crusher, Troi and Yar.
>Coomer flu in Ep3
>Black aliens kidnap Yar solely for being white
>Sex planet in Ep8

Was Gene Roddenberry a pervert?

>>212526907
A lot of the Klingon episode in enterprise fall flat for me. It’s just a lot of what we’ve seen before.

>>212525816
>it's definitely the least like TNG than any other show of his era.
Maybe that's why I prefer it. Never have been able to get into the next gen. I feel like Ent gets way too much hate here but if it is that different from the next gen that would explain alot.

And I know it was anon you were responding to but, faith of the heart is actually perfect as a theme for the show because it is very much supposed to be going off and exploring. Vulcans dont want humanity to but they do. Hence the lyrics
>they aren't gonna hold me down no more
>no theyre not gonna change my mind

>>212527064
>Was Gene Roddenberry a pervert?
The less you know, the better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6GqblcVkLM

>>212527064
Yes thankfully

>>212527064
Yeah the guy with two simeotaneous relationships for 30 years liked the ladies anon. The whole "gene is a perv" or "gene is a racist" is just historical revisionism where you judge the progressive guy born in the 30s by the standards of today.

>>212527148
Original anon he was responding to. Faith of the heart is just so corny dude. I’m an enterprise enjoyer myself, I rank it higher than voyager, but faith of the heart is not a good theme. I know they were trying to differentiate from other Trek, but it was turn off to old trek fans and a turn off to newer viewers. It’s been memed to death and it’s funny to sing along and shit, but archers theme would work so much better. Traditional instrumental with some electric guitar, classic with some new edge. Exactly what the show needed.

>>212527042
It's got action
It's got drama
It's got a hopeful message
It's got aliens with knee balls

Say it.

>>212527337
Yeah I remember in the college dorm the first time enterprise came on and the song played and I wanted to turn the show off from second hand embarassment in front of the dorm mate. It's was an 80s balad in a time people didn't even like that music ironically. There has never been a worse time for soft rock balads than the early 00s

>>212527381
>say it
Fuck off faggot?

>>212527337
I like the song.

It suits the show. End credits song is good too but faith of the heart really dies suit the show. They're going exploring and theyre excited about it

>>212527381
What a fucking NIGGERFAGGOT.

>>212527503
To each their own as far as taste goes but it's objectively not a good song for the show. I like Devo's music but I wouldnt be championing "space junk" as a theme for star trek just because i like the song. Faith of the heart doesn't fit a show about futurism, exploration and space battles. It sounds like a mid 80s theme for a sitcom about adopting a Chinese kid.

>>212527649
>Faith of the heart doesn't fit a show about exploration
you're hysterical bro. you don't know what you're saying.

>>212527649
Right

>>212527690
Gay

>>212527690
Sure it fits the theme. That doesn’t mean it’s good man. TOS and TNG are also about exploring but they did just fine without a gay little rod stewart soft rock song. It was a mistake and it cost the show viewers. Archer’s theme wouldn’t have. Simple as.

>>212527690
Faith of the Heart and the tech montage are pure soul, brings me to tears seeing the astronauts.

>>212527202
>Loves the Devil

Huh...

>>212527793
Anecdotally, I didn't watch ENT specifically because of the theme until long after it was over. The description of second hand embarrassment was accurate. And it probably opened the way for the goofy ass beastie boys shit in JJ Trek.

>>212527690
Oh I get it, you're just a faggot.
Carry on faggot.

>>212527909
Dude I was watching an episode of enterprise the other day and my girlfriend walked into the room when the theme song started and she was like “Anon, what the hell is this”. Faith of the heart was a major misstep,

>>212527877
GO WHERE MAH HEART WILL TAKE MEH I CAN REACH ANY STAAAAAAH

Yeah sorry I can't relate to the insecurity that makes you turn down the volume to watch Star Trek because your faggot roommate might give you the side eye. I understand the theme caused some people some trauma but, not me. I'm singing along.

>>212527381
PRAISE KURTZMAN!
Without him we wouldn't have close to ten years of non stop New Trek on Da Plus.
Trek is back, baby. Clinton Trek -- not so much.

>>212528012
You’re singing along cause it’s funny and cheesy, but that doesn’t mean it’s good.

>>212528005
It's honestly the most out of touch theme song I can think of. If you remember the early 00s it was completely out of touch with then contemporary music tastes.

It's amazing how determined they are to keep this charade going despite Skydance merger breathing down their necks.

>>212528012
You're singing along because you have shit taste.

>>212528100
I'm singing along because I can actually hit all the notes

>>212528012
>loudly singing along with a bad song while people look at him funny
Imagine this person. Imagine the smell.

>>212528014
>Clinton trek not so much
I too would like to forget 3 seasons of picard exist.
Anyway how long until you join section 41?

>>212528145
t. can't reach any star

>>212528145
I just can't imagine anyone sharing a room with him

>>212528119
>I'm really talented
>I told everyone about it online
My dad works at nintendo

>>212528234
no the point you missed was that it's a really simple and easy song to sing along with. not that i'm talented.

>>212528249
>no the point you missed was the point I didn't make
You don't understand, my dad works at nintendo

>>212528145
>>212528196
>this song has singing in it, it's for losers
>not like my star trek epic orchestral themes that get all the ladies wet

>>212528296
they don't care about the ladies he's literally worried about impressing his roommate by muting the tv when a rock ballad comes on. he has trauma to this day over it. i can't imagine anything more gay.

>>212528296
Yeah those orhestrals themes fit the shows and the times the shows were produced and were well recieved by the Fandom. Pop culture will remember those themes for the rest of the century, faith of the heart will only be used ironically as a meta commentary on how bad faith of the heart is.

ironically i actually think the vocals version of the TOS theme is worse than the one from the first season. it's just more obnoxious or something.

>>212528145
Do zoomzooms not sing along with theme tunes? Even with instrumentals it's fun to go
DER DER DER DER
DER DER DER
DER DER DER DER DER DER DER DER DER DER DER DER
Your roomie can make the WHOOSH noise every time the Enterprise flies across the screen. A third friend can read out the credits.

>>212528338
>I can't imagine anything more gay
I don't have to, faith I'd the heart exists

>>212528379
>Yeah those orhestrals themes fit the shows and the times the shows were produced and were well recieved by the Fandom. Pop culture will remember those themes for the rest of the century, faith of the heart will only be used ironically as a meta commentary on how bad faith of the heart is.

>>212528296
I think I smell bait, but the orchestral themes work because they’re inoffensive. They serve to showcase the cast and creators while also providing a sense of tone for the show to come. Star Trek has never gotten ladies wet(unless they’re the fat hogs who show up at conventions), but faith of the heart is distracting and doesn’t really tell you what the shows about at all. Sure it fits the theme of exploration, but it gives you no sense of the slower paced science fiction you might be about to watch.

>>212528497
Archer is the living embodiment of that song. The more you watch the show the more it's like he not only wrote it but has it playing inside his head 24/7.

>>212528497
to be clear
i'm just making fun of the ENT theme haters acting like ENT theme enjoyers are sad losers... in a star trek thread
no comment on the actual theme (which i happen to like)

>>212528589
Gotcha gotcha. Enjoy your silly song, anon.

>>212528067
do they allow heckling at cons?

They're now trying to pretend women are attracted to the gay ENT theme? Lmao

VOY has the worst credits, it fills me with anger every time I see through stupid fucking giant ship/tiny planet scene. I never remember any of the actors names because I refuse to watch that shit. Robert Duncan McCleod or something and Chinaman Joe. I only know Mulgrew because she's Mrs Columbo.

whats with the DS9 credits? It's supposed to be edgy but the theme is like it's trying to put you to sleep. like they somehow knew binge watching would be a thing in the future and didn't wanna wake people up.

>>212528772
>DS9 episode starts with O'Brien getting wrecked or Kira's past as a terrorist is exposed
>Roll intro sequence

>>212528701
>i like the enterprise theme
>EW SMELLY POO POO LONELY LOSER HAHA
if you think you can get away with this in a STAR TREK thread think again
not on my watch, nerd

>>212528838
One day my new episodes will open with Kira getting wrecked, if you know what I mean

>>212528974
It could be worse, it's a mirror episode.

>>212529062
The DS9 mirror universe episodes suck. I like the cheesier TOS and ENT ones a lot more. Having the Terran Empire overthrown is lame.

i feel like Jake wanted to fuck his mirror Mom and it was so hard to watch

>>212529488
>Sisko fucked mirror Jadzia

Did he think of Curzon when he coomed?

>>212528893
Yeah you'd have to be some kind of demented faggot to defend the ENT theme. Liking the song is a matter of taste, liking it for ENT is just contrarian faggotry

>212528014
>Without him we wouldn't have close to ten years of non stop New Trek on Da Plus.
come on man this bait is so weak, no (You), no bump

>>212529608
>cowards reply
TNG, DS9, VOY all received 7 seasons, the one with the retarded theme didn't because of its off putting and gay theme.

>>212529676
Calling it just Enterprise for the first two seasons didn’t help either. I like enterprise, I defend, but the theme is bad and the marketing was off.

>>212529521
>Sisko fucked mirror Jadzia
Lucky bastard.

>>212524724
>>212524595
Hornblower is peak boatkino im gonna rewatch it right now.

>>212529844
Yeah and in terms of characters and quality, I think it's a better product than VOY, especially by the 3rd season.
I also completely blocked out that they were calling it just enterprise.

Why can't we go back to the good old /trek/?

>>212530091
>that pic

I'm currently on my bed watching TNG Season 1 binge.

>>212530140
pure coze

>>212530079
I said it earlier in the thread, but TNG and DS9 both have relatively weak seasons 1 and 2. VOY is crap and I’ll always shit on it given the chance, but my point is if they gave enterprise another 3 seasons it would be another gold standard trek. The theme song and the marketing turned people off. I also agree with anon somewhere way up there who said it feels a little embarrassed to be a Star Trek show, but it does begin to find what it’s about in seasons 3 and 4.

>That 1 Anon trying to convince ENT is good.

Get some help

>>212530254
I'm a TNG season 2 truther, but really it wad just the first DVD box set I got so I watched it endlessly and decided Pulaski was okay.

>>212530348
I will not.

>>212530357
I mean she’s just gender swapped McCoy. She’s not the worst just not the best.

i'm the one watching ENT for the first time always complaining about it but, it is good. i'm about to start season 3, and i hope some truly horrific things happen in the expanse like they promised me.

>>212530458
I like the episode where they put aging makeup on her even though it was redundant

>>212530626
The most horrific things in star trek are all teleporter accidents

>>212530628

>>212530458
She didn’t have the natural chemistry with her costars like McCoy/Kelley. Too distant and aloof.

>>212530826
I mean that’s why she doesn’t last long. I know McFadden had some behind the scenes issues, but Pulaski has little to no chemistry with the rest of the cast which made writing her off and bringing crusher back that much easier.

>>212530916
there are fewer good crusher episodes than there are good pulaski episodes. whatever the reasons they made the wrong choice.

>>212530916
>>212530826
wasn't the TNG cast a really cliquey circlejerk? it probably wasn't entirely her fault.

>>212530916
It's shitty though that she's just *poof*, gone, by season 3, no mention or anything.

>>212530954
Interesting debate. Doesn’t rank high for me among the doctors, but neither does Pulaski. TNG medical episodes are kind of a skip for me.

>>212530971
Yes and yes. The TNG cast is what happens when the theater geeks became the cool kids. The on set gossip must have been insane.

>DS9
>Genetically enhanced savants
>Starfleet doesn't hire them as war analysis or making high tech weapons

DS9 never seeme to take the war seriously despite Federation being on the losing side.

>>212530971
Eh they’d already been working together for the better part of two years. The new hire should expect some pushback.
>>212530996
This is shitty and lazy I agree.

>>212531062
>>Starfleet doesn't hire them
"Section 3"1 took advantage of them however

>>212530996
shes still alive and worked as recently as 2022. would make a great addition to a voyager enterprise movie trilogy produced by berman

Hey guys just a reminder that James Gunn's Superman is releasing this Friday! Tickets are selling out fast!

>>212531062
if starfleet won the war we wouldnt need wormhole jesus, would we?

>>212531145
Nobody gives a fuck about capeshit.

I thought Martok was extremely high ranking. Why was he given a shipload of losers? It's little shit like this that makes me rank Voyager ahead of DS9.

>>212531145
Considering most theaters seem to have 40% of the seats that they used to, I'm not impressed. I don't go to the theaters since the scamdemic psyop. They showed their true colors they're not getting any latinum from this Ferengi.

>>212531313
Gawron was jealous.

>>212530716
Yeah now show her with the makeup

>>212531313
>Hello Captain! I’ve whipped you up my famous Talaxian shit fuck stew!
For this reason voyager is crap and never graves my rewatch list

>>212526286
> Worf is never like
>Remember when that barrel fell on me last week?
I mea, to be fair, that must be the most embarrassing thing to ever happen to him. If you ever teased Worf about the barrel Incident, he’d throw you through a wall.

>>212531468
Neelix actually has some decent storylines. I feel sorry for you.

>>212531313
How far into DS9 are you? I don't want to spoil it for you but the Martok v Gowron drama becomes apparent later on in the dominion war.

>>212531499
That’s okay anon. You can enjoy your, Neelix, but count me out. He’s the shittiest character in show full of shit characters. The Doctor and 7 are the only redeeming aspects of VOY.

>>212531468
Did you know that despite occupying less than 10% of Nygean space that the Benkarans make up over 80% of the Nygean prison population?

>>212531513
It still stretches the credibility in the episode itself. They show up with a rusty minivan full of losers and you're supposed to think it's some 4d chess maneuver? It's dumb as the pah wraiths. Now Ferengi Love Songs? I enjoyed that episode.

>>212531560
That's like, your opinion, man.

>>212530660
Yikes

>>212531560
Regardless of Voyager, I massively disagree with people who rank DS9 as equal to TNG. They're too drunk on Kanar.

>>212531612
Neelix hate is well documented. There are less voyager haters than I, but I’d still say there’s a good few out there. But hey at the end of the day if you enjoy it that’s all that matters.

>>212530626
hi, it's me again. I just turned on s03e01and heard the new theme. I feel foolish for defending it before. this version is actually shit. I didn't know. I won't be singing along anymore

>>212531021
Crusher has some good main plot episodes but she works better as part of the crew than Pulaski. She's very good in the b plot or background. I really like how she's used in the episode where Wesley and not Tom Paris get a fellow cadet killed at starfleet academy. She comes in and just 100% knows there is a reason Wesley must be innocent. Or her having the humanitarian perspective to worfs realist perspective like in I-Borg. I'm the season 2 truther, I wouldn't put Pulaski above Crusher, I just think season 2 is a good season and both doctors were good.

martok is a coward

>>212524781
Picard was actually far worse and ruined hopes for future trek the most

>>212531665
Neelix is definitely like the worst character, but that to me is just because the rest of the characters are so strong. It's a more subtle show, but there's a lot of good character stuff in there. I know it's just my opinion but yeah I roll my eyes when I see people seethe about Voyager. Thank you for allowing me my opinion.

>>212531665
Neelix hate was probably adjacent to Jar Jar hate, which was big at the time. Gen Xers really fucking hated forced mascot toy characters.

>>212531717
Yeah I can ignore discovery, but picard can hurt me

>>212531699
He is a bit of a coward, yea.

>>212531781
He's still high ranking, he should be given a good ship with a good crew, not an astrovan with a bunch of losers.

>>212531723
Yeah man, it’s still Trek I get it. Just not my favorite one. I do love the doctor though his episodes were always my favorite. I also vaguely remember liking Tom and Harry’s bromance.

>>212531824
I mean he did get taken prisoner. by Klingon rules he should have killed himself right? by not dying he lost much honor

>>212531865
They explain that away in the episode in the prison by saying that you don't have to kill yourself if there's a chance of escape or something like that.

>>212531829
I've seen Voyager haters rank it lower than SNW and that I just can't abide. It's still Trek, exactly.

>>212531691
I agree with this assessment. Crusher works well within the ensemble and if given more time maybe Pulaski could’ve worked better than she did. McCoy will always be my favorite, followed by the doctor and than phlox or bashier. I might put phlox higher. I like that he’s a funny cuck alien. Bashier is just a tad too pathetic sometimes especially for being enhanced.

>>212531080
Pulaski gets a brief mention in Who Watches the Watchers where Crusher uses her memory wipe technique and that's it. They never say her name ever again.

>>212531925
he also yielded to the jemhadar in the pit
and he refused to fight gowron because he was AFRAID klingons wouldnt accept a commoner as chancellor.
martok is a coward and so is worf

>>212531962
What is it called when a character is so pathetic that it wraps around to being endearing? Like Pete from 30 Rock or Jerry from Parks and Rec?

>>212531824
There's nothing wrong with the Rotarran as a ship, and he doesn't assign his own crew. I don't even remember there being an issue with his crew outside of Worf's incompetent son, but either way even if we accept his crew was "bad" in some way, that's already explained by Gowron being petty because Martok is garnering more favor in the Empire than he is.

>>212532051
>There's nothing wrong with the Rotarran as a ship
Its small, and old, and the Negh'var was available.

>>212532030
>and so is worf
Worf is one of the only klingers who is never a coward in the show. He's depicted in somewhat of a "last true klingon" manner compared to the rest of them who've lost their way and become conniving or complacent.

>>212531956
Yeah no. Voyager is better than SNW. I might have some major gripes with voyager, but nuTrek is a different beast. At least enterprise tries to provide some explanations for their retcons, but SNW and its lack of respect for the franchise does not sit well with me.

>>212532085
>Its small, and old,
It was a normal Bird of Prey. there was literally nothing wrong with it

https://youtu.be/JnPntwwxuq8

should have been the voyager theme it would still be going

>>212532107
worf refuses to leave starfleet to serve gowron and destroys the house of mogh and kills his brother.
he also refuses to lead the empire even after he kills gowron and is embraced by the council.
and although its not in the shows worf is a big time coward when he tells picard the enterprise is lost near the end of first contact. i dont know why the writers did it to him but the enterprise was not lost and it was immediately made evident.

>>212532206
>a normal Bird of Prey
small and old in other words

>>212531956
I like voyager, I don't think the characters stand out and feel novel like in the previous treks outside of the doctor and janeway. Even 7/9 doesn't feel very novel since a lot of her struggles mirror data's, belanna is just a more human worf, tuvok is just another Spock. Though having neelix the pedo is new, it's just not good new. It's really surface level I guess, chakotay and Paris needed more of a gimmick than former traitors because the maqui stuff gets forgotten early on.
>I'm having trouble expressing this
They aren't bad characters but they miss the spark of some other shows characters that fill similar roles. Quark, Odo and Kira had that spark, I don't feel like belanna, 7/9 or Chakotay do.

>>212532236
>worf refuses to leave starfleet to serve gowron
Because doing so would have betrayed an oath he made to starfleet, and a klingon who betrays his oath is worthless.
>destroys the house of mogh
the house of mogh is doing just fine with him still in hit
>and kills his brother.
his brother is alive and well, just mindwiped and living as someone else because he would have killed himself otherwise.

>>212532046
Pity fucking

>>212532284
Chakotay in particular has always been one of my least favorite trek characters. The character is just so bland and the performance is so wooden. He stands out like wallpaper. That’s the first officer? That’s the guy? He’s got about as much charisma as a shoe.

>>212532500
I would take Chakotay over Riker every time. Riker comes across as a fucking pervert. Chakotay has a quiet nobility.

>>212532639
Shut up bitch. Witcho unbalanced ph ass

>>212532639
Riker has all the stories though. He’s a degenerate, sure, but there is never a dull moment when he’s in the room. Chakotay will either never start a conversation, or shoot you a solitary “Hey”.

>>212532639
>I would take Chakotay over Riker every time
I would jokingly call you Robert Beltran but nobody hates Chakotay more than him.

>>212532500
Janeway should have replaced him with Seven, then invited her to the captain's quarters for private instruction

>>212532639
I don’t know about that man. Riker’s a dog, but at least jonathan frakes brings a little oomph to the performance. From the performance I believe that Riker is a reliable second hand leader. When Picard is busy, I believe that Riker will take on the delegated tasks and see them through. Outside of work Riker is kind of a wild grown up frat bro. He has a level of immaturity that I think even he knows he has. It’s why he doesn’t take the promotion until the movies. Chakotay comes across like a middle management officer worker. Got promoted just cause.

>>212527381
Pakistan, is in the bag!

>>212532313
house of mohg was disbanded when worf refused gowron. its what starts kurns decent.
and worf didnt give a shit about his oath when he abandoned starfleet to fight for gowron in the civil war. and he didnt give a shit about his oath when he murdered duras while on duty on the enterprise.
Worf is a dishonerable coward. a real klingon would have teamed up with his long lost brother to fully restore the house of mohg and stablize the empire.

>>212533211
I see Redemption's ending as the moment when Worf realizes he isn't really as loyal to Klingon ideals as he thinks he is.

>>212533245
because he is too much of a coward to maintain those ideals. after worf kills gowron he is literally in position to fix the problems he has with the empire and instead he installs the coward martok. how in the hell is martok supposed to fix anything if he couldnt even muster the courage to fight a deranged gowron who was leading the empire to its demise.

hmm ok i'm pretty sure this is the funniest thing i have ever seen in star trek so far

>>212533456
i cant decide which i disliked more. the mass murder rallying cry or the xindi live testing their secret super weapon against an enemy that didnt know they exist.

>>212533420
I don't think that's it at all. Worf's picture of the Klingon Empire was always built around his own idealism and the public image the Empire projected to the galaxy. First, he gets forced out and they sell it as being an honorable thing, accepting discommendation to protect it.

But Redemption is the first time he gets everything he wants. He gets his family name back and they even give him Duras' son in the end but when they do, he realizes that maybe he isn't so Klingon after all, or that the Klingons maybe aren't as "Klingon" as he thought.

>>212533779
but worfs story doesnt end there, does it

>>212533779
>or that the Klingons maybe aren’t as Klingon as he thought
Woahhhhhhhh

>>212532639
Chakotay was a retarded terrorist faggot before falling backwards into the delta quadrant. Rikers a high achieving Crack pilot who fucks.

>>212528497
>Star Trek has never gotten ladies wet(unless they’re the fat hogs who show up at conventions)
I knew a chick who got wet watching Star Trek, and used to go to those conventions, and she was neither fat, nor a hog.

>>212534225
I've also known a couple of decent looking chicks who liked Trek.

Both were extremely autistic though

>>212533779
It's no use persuading the worf is a coward faggot. It's just contrarian spam. Worf is essentially a klingon fanboy or weeb with some ethnic bonefides. He's like the black girl from a white town who goes to college and starts wearing a dashiki. He's from the klingon empire, but he isn't of it. His arch through tng is becomming a better officer and reconciling that he is of earth and starfleet more than he is of Qo'nos. That's why when he says the enterprise is lost during first contact it's a slap in the face to have picard uncharacteristically challenge his klingon bone fides. TNG picard wanted Worf to be a federation officer first, that scene in first contact is supposed to show how he's realized that goal, which is really good character development as much as revenge fueled picard is shitty backsliding to a character that trait that hadn't existed after I,Borg

>>212534225
We actually met because of Voyager.

>>212533779
Worf is for Klingon culture what a weeb is for Japanese culture. He grows up around humans but wants to be klingon, but all he has is idealized depictions in klingon media, but he thinks that's what being klingon really is and so he becomes this idealized super klingon while everyone else is plotting like a Romulan. In all the series the only Klingon that really lives up to his idea is Martok, which is why he's so taken with him.

>>212534225
My wife loves TNG and Voyager. She started watching when we were dating. Berman era star trek is really accessible to women because it's comfy core. Hell the whole reason I watch is because my mom let me stay up to watch TNG as it aired.
>anyway
Women will often pick up the interests of their guy as an easy means to attention.

>>212534305
>He's like the black girl from a white town who goes to college and starts wearing a dashiki.
kek you have no idea how much I personally saw of this. I grew up in northeastern TN and we had a few black people but their parents all were white collar and worked at Eastman Chemical. I would end up going to the University of Tennessee with a few of them and the moment we hit campus they all became like black pride obsessed activist types, literally people who grew up in country clubs.
>>212534324
Yeah, Martok is based. It just takes a little longer for the cream to rise to the top in Klingon society but he gets there eventually.

pretty girls also like star trek.

>>212534406
>kek you have no idea how much I personally saw of this. I grew up in northeastern TN and we had a few black people but their parents all were white collar and worked at Eastman Chemical. I would end up going to the University of Tennessee with a few of them and the moment we hit campus they all became like black pride obsessed activist types, literally people who grew up in country clubs.
Oh I did a semester in Ghana with a Black American girl who was getting her masters at temple and who had parents that owned a couple retail stores. Rich blacks always overcompensate. My favorite memory was the African professors laughing at her argument for reparations.

you will NEVER be a pretty girl

>>212534305
but worf was being a coward. the enterprise was not lost. valid argument otherwise but it is a fact that worf wanted to abandon the enterprise prematurely. to take it a little further, if picard didnt shake off the magic negresses spell at the last second the borg would have won. data is no fool. borg queen would give him a real cock and hed turn off the autodestruct

would Worf have ever done half the shit he did if he knew Starfleet wouldn't treat him with kid gloves and let him keep his commission no matter what?

>>212534533
Anon you're a dipshit who has no understanding of the character. That's a scene shitting on picard, worf is fully realized in the scene. If you wanted to have a worf sucks thread you should have led with him as a parent.

>>212534225
Guys guys. I never said women can’t like Star Trek or that they don’t like it, but I’d wager it is less common and more of a guy interest. Sexy isn’t one of the first things I think about when I think Star Trek and for a women I’d say it has even less sex appeal. That is all

>>212533456
Florida knows what it did.

>>212534622
was the enterprise lost or not?
did worf want to abandon it or fight?

>>212532500
>That’s the guy? He’s got about as much charisma as a shoe.
so a typical O5

>>212534649
>Sexy isn't one of the first things I think about when I think Star Trek
What, are you gay?

>>212534649
>I’d wager it is less common and more of a guy interest
because you're gay and all you think about is men and what they like

>>212530348
There's more than one enterprise fan here.
I am one of them.

>>212534812
There is sex appeal and TOS and ENT are both horny shows, shout out to T’Pol, but I enjoy it first for the science fiction. There are sexier shows that serve that purpose better, coomer.

>>212534583
There's a lot of shit like that in TNG.
Picard would never be allowed to serve as captain of the flagship after Wolf 359, he was compromised. What if the Borg left something behind and they Manchurian Candidate his ass when he's dealing with the Romulans in the Neutty Zone? Could be a complete disaster.
Same goes for Data after he was remotely controlled several times to take over the ship.
>>212534812
To be fair, the women I do know that already liked Trek or the ones I forced to watch it -- it's always Berman Trek they're into, never TOS.

>>212534902
>There's a lot of shit like that in TNG.
Worf gets like 7 free passes throughout his career. It's bullshit.

>>212534704
>shoe
I beg to differ. Shoe has more rizz than many celebrities even.

>>212534924
I think if you add them up Data gets even more

>>212531764
>Gen Xers really fucking hated forced mascot toy characters.
This. We were insecure

>>212531764
Can't speak for Gen Xers. I was 13 when I went into the midnight screening of The Phantom Menace on release night and I thought Jar Jar was fucking gay as HELL. I felt embarrassed coming out of that theater because I was in those years where you're obsessed with acting grown up and are trying to drop all of your "kid shit" so you can survive high school.

But yeah 26 years later I still hate that movie.

>>212532500
I've seen him at cons and a lot of the fans do not like him. He makes fun of Voyager's silly plot lines

>>212534886
>shout out to T’Pol
Ikr?

>>212535026
he was supposed to be the big bad but lucas got scared off by the hate.

i really don't mind sexuality and booba and stuff in my star trek but why is it always so awkward creepy and rapey in this show? can't there just be romance?

YouTube's algorithm got angry with me. I watch Star Trek on the Paramount Plus YouTube channel because YouTube's app works better. Then the suggested episodes after I finished watching something were
TNG: Devil's Due
TOS: Devil in the Dark
I'm like uhhh calm down there YouTube algorithm.

>>212535166
its hard to explain if you havent had sex

>>212535320
you mean hard to understand?

Next thread is here: jk I'm not a fag somebody make the next thread

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>>212524927
>>212531717

Yeah your probably right

>>212532500
>>212535054

Chakotay becomes based once you find out Beltran hated being on the show & kept asking for more money & pitched increasing outrageous ideas (like the 7 romance) hoping to get fired and they just kept saying yes to everything