Thread 212515937

James Gunn could never make a Superman moment this emotional

Cavill is 17 years old here

>>212515937 (OP)
>Superman's dad gets blown away by a tornado
>"Well, that just happened."

>>212515937 (OP)
Stop. Invincible son.

Do not save me.
Do not run at 1.3x human speed just fast enough to get to me but slow enough for people to doubt their memories.

Let me die.

>>212515937 (OP)
Pa Kent made the right call. Snyder's Superman had one solution to every problem. Had he "helped" Pa knew clark would just fly over there and snap his and the dog's necks anyway.

>>212515937 (OP)
>CLARK DON'T SAVE PEOPLE
nice life advice pops

>>212515937 (OP)
>Clark, Let them all die.

>>212515937 (OP)
> Stop invincible son. You must let me die to shield your alien heritage. If you save me, these small town bumpkins would never believe in a miraculous act of God and would naturally draw the conclusion that you are an alien that happens to look exactly like a human.

>>212515937 (OP)
>James Gunn could never make a Superman moment this retarded
Redeemed this for you sar

>>212516126
He was protecting his true identity you dullard.

>>212516026
>Mid credits scene
>The whirlwind drops Jonathan on the shores of idyllic Themyscira, armoured women on horseback come out of the trees to meet him
>"I'm stuff"

>>212516188
>pa kent teaches superman that his identity is more important than human life
Bravo

>>212515937 (OP)
Kind of funny that to have Cavill play a teenager they just put a goofy wig on him. Dexter did the same thing.

>>212516026
that would have been an appropriate reaction to this retarded moment

>>212516140
>Hold my beer
Those peepers.......

>>212515937 (OP)
>no son dont save me and get outed
>very next scene he outs his identity anyway
Shits all over the point of the sacrifice. How fucking pointless to trivialize the weight of the scene with the very next one.

>>212516231
>The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one
Yes. Not that hard broham.

>>212516298
>unrelated phrase

>>212516285
>Every single scene in the movie involved a hurricane
Did you watch Twisters instead?

>>212516188
What do you think is more likely?
> Clark saves Pa
> “Wow Clark, you saved your dad! It’s a God granted miracle! What a blessing! You’ve rejuvenated my faith!”
Or
> Clark saves Pa
> “ALIEN! Stinking smelly alien! You must be some sort of alien that looks human! I’ve got the spook agency on speed dial, you’re about to be dissected for the rest of your life! Say goodbye to Smallville!”

>>212516347
>For you

>>212516298
Superman doesn’t think like that.

>>212515937 (OP)
>Stop, invincible son. I have put myself at risk to save the life of a lesser creature, and while it hasn't worked out in my favour, the act is no less noble for my having died in the process. In my judgement it's best for you to stay, not reveal yourself, not risk being exposed. I am your father, and your faith in me compels you to defer to that judgement; but I may be wrong, as it is my prerogative as a human being to make poor judgements. Hopefully in the coming years you'll reflect on this moment and learn two key lessons from the outcome: first, the inherent virtue of putting your life on the line for the sake of those weaker than you. Second, that you must always hold your own counsel above all else - your abilities are too powerful to have their use dictated by others who don't know what it means to have them, you should not, cannot abdicate the responsibility of choosing for yourself the way in which they are used.
>AAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS SO WINDY AAAAAAAAAAA OH MY GOD AAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...............

>>212516366
You have the order all wrong. This is from the POV of Pa Kent only. "Superman: is immaterial in this scene. This scene would have worked if it was Thomas Wayne gesturing 'no' to a young Bruce Wayne. Within that isolated moment in time Pa Kent knew a Superman reveal by protecting his father would not work. He knew his son's powers were for the betterment of others. Within the confines of that moment in time the decision was sound.

You jeets really sit around and argue about which capeslop is better? That stuff is for kids

>>212516398
Again wrong pov. It's from the pov of Pa Kent only.

>>212516406
>Stop, invincible son. I have put myself at risk to save the life of a lesser creature, and while it hasn't worked out in my favour, the act is no less noble for my having died in the process. In my judgement it's best for you to stay, not reveal yourself, not risk being exposed. I am your father, and your faith in me compels you to defer to that judgement
You started perfect then went off the deep end. The pov that matters only is Pa Kent as aforementioned above. You started off right. The first heroic act had to be someone outside the family. Pa Kent knew and understood that.

>>212516126
pa kents ideas are in dichotomy to jor-els, while the latter wants clark to be a protector of earth the former wants him to protect himself foremost. In totality, they represent typical fatherly idea that he wants his son to achieve greatness but at the same time taking care of themselves and pass on the torch to next generation.

>>212516628
Stop saying pov, I'm not sure you know what it means

>>212516511
There wouldn’t be a reveal is my point. There’s no causation to lead anyone to believe Clark was anything other than lucky. Pa Kent’s pov was idiotic.
>>212516542
Why are you removing Clark’s agency? Any halfway decent Superman would save someone from committing suicide even if he perceived it to be to his benefit

>>212516365
they're fundamentally the same film

I think superman should help people not let them die

>>212516831
I think what we're forgetting is to put this moment in perspective of what follows in Supes' life. Him saving Pa seems like an innocuous simple thing, but were he to get caught doing that and if the rest of the world caught on, he would not be ready at that age to handle the reaction that follows; he could barely deal with it as an adult. We see in MoS and BvS that Zod, Lex, and Batman all conspire to kill Superman for different reasons. And, as a result of the conflict with the Doomsday creature in BvS, Superman did die.

Pa was right to make that call because that specific decision took into account the dark nature of mankind, that their fear of him would lead someone, somewhere to attempt to destroy him. Sure, he knew his son was invulnerable, but HOW invulnerable. What if the military stepped in and tried to nuke teenage Clark. How many nukes could teenage Clark withstand before expired? If not nuke, then what type of vile weapon would man put its resources into developing in response to Superman's existence?

>>212516285
Are you Retarded?

>>212517169
>"Stop my son, if you run faster than average to rescue me because everyone's immediate conclusion will be that you are an alien"

>>212515937 (OP)
Because Gunn Pa Kent isn't a sociopath

>>212517222
Teenage clark probably wouldnt have the restraint to merely run slightly faster. He'd probably end up slamming cars out of the way and maybe even accidentally killing Pa himself in the process.

>>212516771
>Pa Kent view was idiotic

It was his point of view, Anon!!!
You're behaving
" as if Jonathan Kent read the Superman wiki and Even if he had prior knowledge of other versions of himself and Superman, in a world of free radicals there'd be no way to know if he'll get their Superman or picrel!!!"

>>212517324
>>212517283

Here's a quote

Jonathan Kent in Man of Steel is arguably the most nuanced and compelling version of the character ever brought to screen. Unlike earlier portrayals, which often depicted him as a purely wholesome, salt-of-the-earth father figure, this Jonathan is layered with real-world anxieties. He’s not just raising a boy with powers — he’s raising a potential god. His fear isn’t rooted in ignorance or weakness, but in the overwhelming responsibility of guiding someone who could either save or enslave the world.

What makes this portrayal so powerful is how deeply Jonathan understands human nature — both his son's and society’s. He fears what could happen if Clark is treated unjustly, bullied, rejected, or hunted: that the pain could twist him into something vengeful, a Brightburn-style figure who turns his wrath on humanity. But he also dreads the opposite — that too much adoration, too early, could create a false sense of moral infallibility. That Clark might become addicted to praise, shaping his identity around public perception rather than true character, ultimately turning into a Homelander-type figure who demands love and obedience instead of earning it.

>>212517169
>but were he to get caught doing that and if the rest of the world caught on, he would not be ready at that age to handle the reaction that follows
Sure he could he's Superman. He just uses those hypnosis glasses and makes his face look different to everyone

>>212516188
>>212516298
So why did he not protect his identity to impale a truck later? Was petty revenge more important than his father's life and his secret identity? Snyder thinks so.

>>212517376
>em dashes
Take your AI slop to reddit or twitter. Are you really so incapable of arguing this yourself?

>>212517283
Well look at it like this, you start saving people here and there, and then they want you to save them all the time, constantly. Is that a burden you can bear? Having to spend every waking moment flying around country saving screeching normies from their problems?

PLS SAVE ME SUPERMAN PLS PLS PLS SAVE ME PLS PLS SUPERMAN HEY PLS SAVE ME OMG PLS PLS SUPERMAN PLS SAVE ME AYUDAME POR FAVOR AYUDAME DIOS MIO POR FAVOR

"Hey um excuse me i am the government and you are acting HECKIN unilaterally!!"

PLS PLS SAVE ME SUPERMAN PLS PLS OMG PLS SAVE ME PLS PLS PLS SUPERMAN SAVE ME PLS

>>212517380
>Bullshit glasses
That doesn't exists in MOS. Heck, he didn't even have Bullet time yet.

>>212517325
>>212515940
Bot?

>>212517390
No one saw him impale the truck, anon. Are you this silly because of nurture or nature?

>>212515937 (OP)
tv would never repost a good xitter post

>>212517419
Just fly around earth until he gets those things

>>212517419
Of course it does why do you think nobody at the Daily Planet notices Superman looks exactly like Clark Kent

>>212517438
>misses the (")

Are all of YOU RETARDED?!?!?!!??!!

>>212517448
someone COULD have seen him. you do realize that you can't use retroactive knowledge to assess risk, right?

>>212517325
So what’s your point? This thread is making fun of his pov. That’s all this meme was ever about: Snyder portrayed Pa as a paranoid idiot who ends up killing himself. People get tripped up calling it bad writing because Clark sees him as wise

>>212517464
>>212517472

>>212517540
Yes, they most certainly could have at that.

>>212517544
Pa Kent is real!!

You have a child who is the TSAR BOMBA, I'm borrowing a point, you don't know what could trigger said child. Wouldn't you be 'correctly' concerned?

>>212517376
>>212517325
>>212517626
Yeah i keep forgetting that angle, the fear that what if Clark said fuck it and went on killing sprees just because he could and no one could stop him. Which i guess is something that ended up manifesting in the form of Zod. Zod is Superman's shadow self, the ill-intented version of him that DOES seek to destroy the world.

>>212517626
Why would you want a such an entity to feel fear? Other than to keep it from upstaging you?

>>212517813
Such a smart movie, only brilliant people like you and I get it.

>>212516264
PROS: Can take out two bad guys at once with his heat vision.

CONS: If there's only one bad guy he might hit a civilian or do collateral damage with the other eye.

>>212517813
>villain is the hero but evil

unprecedented

>>212517626
Yes of course I’d be concerned. But I think the implication that he should do whatever possible to protect himself, including letting people die, is just about the most dangerous thing you could possibly teach him besides advocating for outright harming innocent people who may learn his secret. If secrecy becomes guiding principle the gap between inaction that leads to death and action that leads to death becomes much smaller and far more easy to justify. So if my child were to ask if they should stand by and let people die if it meant no harm came to them I wouldn’t use “the secret” as the benchmark to assess if they did the right thing.

Ha ha, PA Kent died to wind. Fucking idiot. Just walk away.

>>212518089
Snyder is the benchmark

>>212515937 (OP)

Correct. He makes Superman moments that are even more emotional.

>>212516195

Kek.

>>212515937 (OP)
>no Clark, don't save me. Allow me to die here by walking slowly towards a tornado while sad music plays. Sometimes you just have to let things go, son. So let me go, Clark. Just let me die, son.
Powerful

>>212515937 (OP)
>no son, don't save me from the tornado
>even though I'm only here because I had to save le heckin pupperino
>even though we got out of the car and purposefully shut the door on the barking dog
>even though my death was entirely preventable
Saar I am doing the crying

>>212515937 (OP)
>MY INVINICIBLE SON
He certainly couldn't meme this hard. Snyder is the king of meme material.

>>212516041

It doesn't make sense, that's for sure.

SUPERMANNN

WHAT?

SUPERMAN DONT COME HERE


WHAT?? I CANT HEAR YOU THE WIND IS TOO STRONG


DONT COME HERE SUPERMAN


WHATT???? SHOUT LOUDER!!


I SAID!!! DONT!! MOVE!!


I CANT HEAR YOU ITS TOO FUCKING WINDY

>>212518321
im too weak and now stupid shit is making me laugh

>>212518193
You're not getting it. Winston Churchill allowed a town to be decimated. Hundreds died just so the Germans wouldn't know that they broke their coded messages. The Good of the Many out weighs the good of the few. In this case KAL May, notice I said "may", not have been ready.
Jonathan made the right call.

>>212518402
Ok I’m not getting it. May not have been ready for what?

>>212518492
I'm gonna copy post something from earlier

Jonathan is layered with real-world anxieties. He’s not just raising a boy with powers — he’s raising a potential god. His fear isn’t rooted in ignorance or weakness, but in the overwhelming responsibility of guiding someone who could either save or enslave the world.

What makes this portrayal so powerful is how deeply Jonathan understands human nature — both his son's and society’s. He fears what could happen if Clark is treated unjustly, bullied, rejected, or hunted: that the pain could twist him into something vengeful, a Brightburn-style figure who turns his wrath on humanity. But he also dreads the opposite — that too much adoration, too early, could create a false sense of moral infallibility. That Clark might become addicted to praise, shaping his identity around public perception rather than true character, ultimately turning into a Homelander-type figure who demands love and obedience instead of earning it.

>>212518526
He's also wrong and stupid. Superman is not a real world anxiety. He is a fictional super being that defies reality. You can't tell me a man is bulletproof, can fly, breath in space, hear all the suffering in the world, throw trucks, and compare him to Jesus and then tell me he can't save his father from wind because "too windy".

>>212518526
You've put more thought into it than the writers. If you want him to die, and not have his son use his powers to save him, you need to justify it. That tornado was fucking retarded, dying to save the dog

>>212518193
Honestly, if i had powers like Superman, I wouldn't necessarily be compelled save people. In the absence of monsters trying to blow up the world, why SHOULD Superman save anybody?

>>212518526
No. Don’t send AI-slop my way. What was Clark not ready for? Reminder: he did not need to reveal himself in the bus accident or the tornado suicide.
> His fear isn’t rooted in ignorance or weakness
It is entirely motivated by both. He has weak moral convictions to suggest innocents should die for the sake of Clark, and ignorantly believes his suicide will curb suspension when there is no reason for anyone to believe Clark is anything other than lucky.
> But he also dreads the opposite — that too much adoration, too early, could create a false sense of moral infallibility. That Clark might become addicted to praise, shaping his identity around public perception rather than true character, ultimately turning into a Homelander-type figure who demands love and obedience instead of earning it.
I think this is all headcanon. Find me a single line where Pa suggests Clark is being praised too much and might grow a big head because of it. The brightburn stuff is true, but he seems less concerned about Clark enslaving the planet and more concerned with people coming to take Clark away.

>>212518608
>>212518619
You're confusing your sensibilities with the character, Jonathan Kent from the man of steel,sensibilities.
Firstly he hasn't read the script or read the Superman wiki.
So right off the bat Jonathan Kent decisions are confined within the simple life; he's conservative, and grassroots and simplistic, with simple ideals, and one we all have to some degree within the real world. Case in point, Dotting over children.

A child is a man's responsibility. Well this child can become a black hole and consume ALL LIFE and the planet, Maybe even the solar system.

You'd be Scared Shitless, as would I!!!

KAL at this moment is a 16 Year old young man, and one still very capable of making poor choices as Many Millions of young men has done before im. Maybe even Jonathan when he was his age made terrible choices.

So his fears of "what if this god like person makes bad choices and ends up Crashing Out?" Is a legitimate concern!!!!!

>>212519104
Why do I care about a character that is poorly written? You can add in all this extra fan fiction, but when it isn't supported by the text it doesn't matter. You're imagining, you schizo

>>212515937 (OP)
*this retarded
ftfy

>>212518870
Not that same anon but look at it this way.
>"Wow my son sure is strong, he can save people. But what happens when someone pisses him off? What if the government finds out about him? Would they capture him? Torture him with their inventions?"

And again, take into context Pa's wisdom coming to fruition. To be fair, within the context of the narrative of the movie, not the context of real life, all those potential problems listed in the AI-slop response did come true. A person like Superman, General Zod, indeed came to Earth and decided to try and wipe out humanity. And people during BvS did worship Supes while others vilified him. Later on, in the Knightmare future, Superman did become an evil demigod with loyal soldiers at his command. And people did try to kill Supes for merely existing out of fear, jealousy, and misplaced anger.

>>212518870
How many young men his age crashed out? In our world millions of young men his age crashed out. Jonathan Kent has to deal with a young man that can Crash Out at anytime.


>>212519148
>poorly written

That's Your opinion. I disagree, as do other; Millions in fact disagrees with you strongly. However, Never say Man Of Steel isn't Superman because that would expose just how little you know about Superman. The creators had him as a thug to thugs and a blade on the neck of evil doers. He'd pummel them, threaten to kill them, even willingly endangering their lives.

>>212518290
>What was I supposed to do? Let them drown?
>Maybe

>>212519148
>it isn't supported by the text

It's called subtext, when you read between the lines and understand or attempt to contemplate that which is not explicitly spoken or written.

The question is: Why did Pa Kent do that?

The answer to that question has no piece of dialogue that explicity lays it out, only insinuations from Clark and Pa'a previous conversations, and the memories we see in Clark's flashbacks.

>>212519148
>>212519305
>>212519329

Remember when Superman Pulverized Zod's hand and then threw him into a wall 100 feet away, undoubtedly breaking his back and a few ribs, and thereafter smirked as Zod now with a broken back, broken ribs and a hand reduced to a pulp, fell to his doom down a glacier?