Why did people pretend this shit was good? It was a complete affront to Superman. Did Snyder look at Nolan's trilogy and that going for a depressing and broody tone would work for fucking Superman? No wonder the DCEU fucking failed.

"Man of Steel" grossed $668 million worldwide at the box office. The film had a budget of $225 million. In the US, it earned $291 million and $379 million internationally.

>>212527348

>>212527297 (OP)
Superman was stoic, serious and broody in pic related. Not a single quip or boy scout mannerism. Why no complaints?

>>212527297 (OP)
Go woke, go broke.

>>212527297 (OP)
> Did Snyder look at Nolan's trilogy and that going for a depressing and broody tone would work for fucking Superman?
It was Goyer but essentially yes. Goyer was working on Dark Knight Rises and hit a writer’s block. He started chipping away at his “Superman but real” script and showed it to Nolan. Nolan said he was interested in producing it. Snyder was suggested by WB after the duo pitched it iirc.

>>212527504
are you seriously saying this saturday morning cartoon written by Paul Dini didnt have quips?

>Yes, you should have let those kids drown in the lake, Clark.
>Do not save me from being killed by a Tornado even though you can easily do so

>>212527562
Post a quip.

>>212527504
The Superman who believed in Santa?

>>212527575
10000 in google

If it ended with the Smallville fight and the World Engine destruction it would be a flawed but cool Superman take. Snyder just had to sperge out and level Metropolis for his dey wuz Godz fetish

>>212527504
Even darkseid was quipping in this show. Wtf are you babbling about?

>>212527716
That's not a fucking quip, you idiot.

>>212527297 (OP)
>Why did people pretend this shit was good?
I thought it was good until the last act where I thought it ended in such an absurd way it was hard to even think about the good things it did in the first 2 acts. Which was my exact opinion of watchmen.
>It was a complete affront to Superman.
Fair, it really fucked up the last act and failed to deliver what superman is, an out of the world alien who is also a down to earth mild mannered farm boy. You need just some folksy wisdom at some point.
>Did Snyder look at Nolan's trilogy and that going for a depressing and broody tone would work for fucking Superman?
The studio looked at his comic adaptations that were all depressing a broody in their source material and the studio thought "it worked for batman so it will work for superman"
>No wonder the DCEU fucking failed.
Yeah it's a mishmash of failure including, but not limited to Snyder. I've seen worse schlock than the Snyderverse, but there were some very low lows.

>>212527297 (OP)
People need to understand that the contract between the goofy and colourful MCU vs the dark and broody DCU was pretty appealing to people. Think of it as two different flavours of ice cream. People like having a choice, but Gunn is setting up the new DCU to be just like Marvel, which pretty much unifies the capeshit genre in one colourful and sloppy package.
I don't mind Gumn giving a go to another Superman movie, but I wish he kept this brand contrast alive and made that Superman movie dark and broody. Visually at least.

>But how will you know he’s strong if he doesn’t destroy every possible thing in his path while fight Zod?

Saars will defend this

>>212527930
DC was never meant to be dark and REALISTIC. I fucking hate pajeets so much.

>>212527990
Tell that to Crisis on Infinite Earths, or Identity Crisis, or Infinite Crisis, or Final Crisis, or Flashpoint, or...

>>212527990
If I were a pajeet, I would have complained about how snyder is a master of slow mo, whereas gunn barely has any slow mo scenes. Piss off, you know that Im right about that brand contrast

>9/11 on steroids occurs
>Superman not really that bothered, quickly makes a joke with a poorly cast Lois when kissing her
>awkwardly stares at Zod during his monologue rather than something like trying to reason with him whilst containing his own fury over how many lives he took
>their fight is extremely boring because neither takes a lick of damage - they are punching each other for the sake of it and whilst Superman doesn't go out of his way to cause any destruction, he still seems utterly heedless of it
>no really I can never ever understand 'MOS WAS BAD BUT OH MY SCIENCE THAT ENDING FIGHT THO!' - it was boring as FUCK to me
>the happy go lucky scene at the Daily Planet at the end as if 9/11 on steroids never occurred
Lol call them nitpicks but the third act I was at my wit's end with the flick

>>212527930
Why not have the tones be set by the characters? Superman and Supergirl? Whimsical. Clayface? Dark and horror? Batman? Pulpy noir adventure. Hell the DCEU was already dabbling in this way with Aquaman and Shazam being much more light hearted.

>>212528022
All shit events that just made the comics more miserable until the new 52 reboot, which went so well they rebooted again and now they're on the verge of bankruptcy.

>>212527930
Contrast is fine but how about some good writing? Everyone always blows Snyder for taking on dark themes but taken in total he doesn’t have anything to actually SAY about any of the issues he brings up.

Call it what you want but Iron Man 3 is the culmination of Tony’s issues throughout all three films including PTSD. In three films from Zack Superman has killed, refused to kill, DIED, and been brought back to life to join a team and we have no clue how he feels or what he thinks about any of it in depth. And I love Cavill as Supes, but the idea that the storytelling or filmmaking is exactly equal and people just ‘can’t handle’ the grim things in the DCEU is a load of trash. Not everyone that hates loves marvel, just can’t write for shit

>>212527716
Looks like the esls have entered the thread. good morning saar.

>>212527348
Superman 2025 won't have the Chinese market to save it

>>212528022
None of those stories are realistic at all what the fuck? Most of those aren’t even dark except Identity Crisis and Infinite Crisis (which rebukes the 90s edge)

>>212528192
They're filled with dark shit like tons of character dying in gory and fucked up way, and specially with Superman compromising on his ideals like in IC.

>>212527297 (OP)
>Did Snyder look at Nolan's trilogy and that going for a depressing and broody tone would work for fucking Superman?
Broody and grimdark was the style at the time and the Dark Knight was one of the biggest movies of the 2000s. It wasn't a matter of Snyder picking a dark, gritty tone for his Superman movie, WB actually picked Snyder to make a grimdark Superman to match the dark knight trilogy's tone.

>>212528120
>he doesn’t have anything to actually SAY about any of the issues he brings up.
If you're a retard, that is.

The combat scenes in Man of Steel still haven't been topped by any other capeshit.

>>212528241
What is funny and proves your point is that Snyder barely registered as a relevant person back in 2012/13 despite being the fucking director because the Man of Steel trailers had comment sections awash with PRAISE NOLAN, and they made damn sure to plaster his name on every trailer, tv spot, etc. because they were still riding the high of TDK trilogy and the Nolan influence on the genre.

>>212527990
>REALISTIC
It was for Reeve's Superman and Smallville. Why can't it be that way now?

>>212528307
Sorry bro but I literally do not get it because the Kryptonians do not cause any harm to each other. Zod and Superman punch each other for like 7 minutes across the downtown of Metropolis and neither has so much as a bruise or bloodied lip caused by the other.

>>212528357
And this problem persisted into BvS when Superman and Doomsday were fighting. When the Kryptonite wasn't present, they were punching each other to no end, and Doomsday is known as the monster that really fucked Superman up without anything like Kryptonite, magic, etc. The relatively lowkey Batman vs Superman could have been better but it was way more engaging because those two were actually fucking each other up

>>212528357
I don’t get it either. And the camera work pisses me off to no end. Constantly shaking, zooming in, lens flairs. The entire sequence is a headache
>>212528447
At least they fixed the camera in this one lmao

>>212528265
Educate a retard then.
Snyder’s whole point is that as an alien Superman is a god among man and as such can’t be trusted to act justly. What is Superman’s opinion on that thesis throughout three movies beyond “General I grew up in Kansas”?

>>212528092
>Why not have the tones be set by the characters?
You could do that but to some extent. If MCU's success tells us something, it is that you need some "constants"(be it narrative or visual) when you build your universe, so that your moviegoers can feel familiar with your fundamentals every time they watch your movies. MCU, even at its darkest, had quips and color to lighten the mood. Having a different tone all the time for every character that you introduce, alienates your audience. You can be flexible, but you must not steer too far away from your basic tone.
>>212528120
>how about some good writing?
I agree that when it comes to writing, Snyder sucks, especially when he takes liberties with the screen play. He is only good at adapting stuff word by word.
I kinda enjoy his "symbolism", but Snyder is so focused on that shit, he forgets to make a decent script.
Thats why I dont mind Gunn taking the wheel. I only mind the colorful tone of the movie, thats all

>>212528357
>>212528518
You're trying to reason with a pajeet as if he thinks like white men

>>212528091
Seems like you didn't understand what Snyder was going for. There's a lot if symbolism and metaphors you conveniently glossed over. Media literacy really is dead.

>>212527297 (OP)
We were all emo back in 2013 anon, the cartoony af CWDC shows cured me of all that edgeshit.

>>212528597
>Seems like you didn't understand what Snyder was going for. There's a lot if symbolism and metaphors you conveniently glossed over. Media literacy really is dead.
Please educate me, my friend.

>>212528597
Explain ONE bit of Snyder’s symbolism then faggot. I bet you can’t

hard mode: no Superman = Jesus

I have a vague memory of Sneederfags using peak emotional manipulation/woman-tier arguments like only a few years after MoS. Some baby/toddler is watching MoS and he is clearly really into the flight scene and even mimics Superman's arm positions. And they were all like "See?! SEE?! Look how fucking wholesome this, how DARE you criticise MoS, you're RUINING it for the children! He gave them HOPE!' I am sure Chud would have been used had that existed back then as a widespread pejorative.

>>212528307
No they looked like shit, ps3 models with faces glued on flinging eachother into different product placements (i know Reeves superman had product placement too)

that said the action in Gunns superman doesnt look much better

>>212528597
What was the symbolism behind Zod throwing a gas truck at Superman and him jumping over it to let it blow up into a building instead of stopping it

>>212527297 (OP)
>It was a complete affront to Superman
I'm laughing at you. I'm mocking you!

>>212528732
>that said the action in Gunns superman doesnt look much better
NTA but if the fight choreography, etc is about the same I can get behind it because we actually see Superman take damage and he has to struggle. I didn't get the absolute shitfit over Superman pummeled into the snow with blood, I actually found that promising because Superman should have moments where he actually physically struggles when against his powerful foes

>>212527297 (OP)
Each and every fan of this movie is brown.
>>212527348
It also had the largest post-first weekend drop in history on its release.

>>212527297 (OP)
Great Visuals and Unrealized Themes tied together with a shoe string of a story line and poor pacing.

>>212528758
>Superman's entirely blank face when that happens as he casually floated above it and back down again
>the people in BvS during the floor looking up into the sky with Superman's shadowy outline obscured by the sun
Lol so many times where they unwittingly made him look like a sinister sociopathic entity

>>212528603
Speak for yourself I’ve been shitting on these films for a decade now

>>212528852
*flood

>>212528872
I left the theatres in 2013 in denial over how shit it was because those trailers really did hype me up.

I love how mad me appreciating Man of Steel makes you. It reminds me how much better than you I am.

Worst part of MOS is after the Smallville fight I was like “ok cool. Some bad damage but comes with the terf” then there’s 40 more fucking minutes destruction

>>212528964
Why did you think that was bad?

I just love how Snyder's movies look.

>>212528914
Same anon. The trailer was absolute kino

>>212527504
This cartoon and MOS were both made by Batman guys that tried to make Superman into Batman. Superman never been stoic. Batman is stoic. Superman always wore his heart on his sleeve and was a wise ass. Go look at his original stories. Throwing card cars laughing about it

>>212528990
There is a bit in the trailer where the music starts building up with the shot of Kal-El seeing the fortress in the ice and evoked a sense of an actual journey and discovery for me when seeing that but that wasn't found in the movie - like his drifter period wasn't a means to an end during his period of searching, he seriously only finds the fortress through an utterly insane coincidence. And any intimacy in that discovery was lost given that the military was swarming around the area like flies.

>>212528758

>>212529049
I don't remember him being a stoic prick in TAS.

>>212528852
Quick thought experiment: Why are you asuming that Superman should save everybody or even care? Just because he has special powers he's now humanity's permanent helper-slave? Why is humanity projecting that expectation on him? He is his own person and has a life, ya know?

Can you imagine? Every waking moment now, millions of retarded normies are constantly crying out, "PLS SUPERMAN SAVE ME PLS PLS SAVE ME PLS AYUDAME DIOS MIO POR FAVOR SUPERHOMBRE POR FAVOR AYUDAME!!"

>>212528821
>I didn't get the absolute shitfit over Superman pummeled into the snow with blood

>>212527930
> dark and broody DCU

Why it failed. You do the tone that fits the character. Dark and brooding fits Batman but it doesn’t fit Superman. Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Shazam were successful because did tone that fit the characters. None of them trying to be like a Batman movie

>>212527297 (OP)
>It was a complete affront to Superman.
Further proof that the "people" that hated MoS were just retards that wanted their ideas about the stale boring boy scout unchallenged.

>>212529117
I just remember him not having much of a personality and just being a Big Blue Bore

>>212528821
He looks like a gay retard cuck, thats why. It doesn't look cool or manly. Find a way to make it look cool or manly (since its a crafted work of fiction and not reality).

>>212529129
I was amused at scenes meant to be cool/hopeful looking unintentionally sociopathic/sinister, anon. Superman actually having serious fatigue/burnout trying to be everywhere at once and realising he really cannot save everyone is an interesting thing to see unfold actually.

>>212527297 (OP)
Snyder is a grimdark edgelord with the sensibilites of a child drinking too much energy drink, watching pro wrestling, and then playing cowa dooty
he was wrong for Superman

>>212529186
and you will cope and rationalize why Snyder's vision for Superman utterly failed and has now been replaced by MCU cloned quipshit complete with directly hiring one of Marvel's directors

>>212527297 (OP)
Supes was cast EXTREMELY well. Shame he was completely wasted and all his other movies were even worse than MoS.

>>212529049
>Go look at his original stories. Throwing card cars laughing about it
Isn't that exactly what tons of "superman fans" were bitching about snyder's superman doing? Is he too silly and flippant or not silly and flippant enough? I don't really understand what the criticism is.

>>212529263
Thank you for engaging my post. That interpetation has some merit to it, the visually sinister image... I think Lex mentions at some point in the movie that he turned that painting upside down because demons come from the sky, and even calls Supes a "flying demon" during the helipad speech.

>>212529282
You sound like a fag

>>212527297 (OP)
He's still a better superman than the new guy. plus, the suit looks good on him. I don't know why the new movie they designed an ill fitting cloth thing that looks like a kid wearing a cheap halloween costume, and oh, it doesn't have an iconic s on it. wtf. next you're going to tell me he doesn't even say he fights for truth justice and the american way neither.

>>212529421
Complaint was they made Superman into Batman. MOS is a repurposed Batman Begins. Nobody wands a dark and gritty Superman movie.

>>212527297 (OP)
Yeah it was kino faggot, sorry. Enjoy your heckin cute doggy onions Babyman.

>>212529172
When it comes to Superman, you just keep the tone realistic; something like Nolan's capeshit, but emphasise the colour of Superman's suit since you want to make him stand out as a hero this time. To be fair, you can shit on Snyder's writting and symbolism all you want, but Snyder nailed the visuals on man of steel.

aside from being grimdark, Man of Steel was just too much for a first film
if you have Superman defeating an army of Kryptonians with the same powers as him plus also Kryptonian space ships and battle armor and weapons in your first film then where do you go from there?
which also raises another issue: Warners dont seem to know Superman has other antagonists besides Lex Luthor and Zod
>Bryan Singers movie: Lex
>Snyders movies: Zod, Lex
>Gunns movie: Lex
a first film should have been a little more low key and down to earth, maybe the Toyman making big bank robbing robots + Lex in the background perhaps implied to be behind him
remnant Kryptonians invading should really be reserved for a 3rd film or even a Justice League teamup
and a third issue: not doing the work to build a multiverse, trying to just bootstrap it with the ridiculous Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice

>>212527567
he loves his son more than anything. totally consistent. he didn't want him exposed to the world and taken away/experimented on
let me ask you, would sacrifice one of your children so that 20 other ones you don't know can live?

>>212529329
It failed because Snyder's an incompetent boob who wrote two good movies and mismanaged the rest of the whole cinematic universe
It won't be replaced however because gunn's superman will thankfully flop and we can hard reset capeshit

>>212529506
Sorry I understand what your criticism is, but that segment reminded me of what I was hearing a lot of claimed superman oldheads complaining about over the years. That's what I couldn't grasp.

>>212529527
Superman vs Zod could really be a movie sustained by a few 1v1 fights where Superman does get better and beat him in the end plus a good portion of it where he is locked into the Phantom Zone. People bitched about the new movie making Kryptonians like Viltrumites but I am content with that for being Zod's method to rebirth his race. He doesn't hate humans and doesn't want to genocide, but a generation of Earth under his tyranny as a means to an end for replenish the numbers of the Kryptonian race? He's game for that. If you wanted, you could end the movie on a cliffhanger of Brainiac showing up and if he is like the DCAU version where he's an AI crucial to Krypton dying, obviously you have Superman and Zod (and throw in Supergirl) teaming up to take him down - Superman wants his home safe, Zod wants revenge

>>212529129
You are brown.

>>212527930
Based take anon

>>212527930
>visually at least
God I hate Snyderkeks

>>212529579
Golden Age Superman was a very minor period. The character evolved into the Big Blue Boyscout people know today. Superman was at his most popular during the Silver Age. Why Reeve is so loved because he’s looks and acted like Curtis Swan’s Silver Age Superman ripped right out of the page. Superman popularity decline massively after Post Crisis where tried to make Superman more serious

>>212529527
I agree that the Supes vs Lex dichotomy is so tired now, especially with Gunn's reboot.

But on the flip side i did enjoy how BvS was this huge explosion of characters and storylines being introduced all at once:
>Older grizzled Batman
>Robin "killed" by Joker (?)
>Doomsday and Supes' death
>Lex directly contacting Steppenwolf
>Knightmare future
>Flash visiting Bruce from the future
>Lex's metahuman file giving Bruce a list of heroes to find
>Lex basically already knew everything about everybody the whole time.
>Lex having the Kryptonian ship relay to him vast cosmic knowledge.
And it goes on and on. Nothing comes close to putting so much crazy shit in one movie.

>>212529926
>Superman was at his most popular during the Silver Age.
He wasn't a big boy scout during silver age either. He was a huge fucking asshole back then. He had more in common with Goofy and Donald Duck than Christopher Reeve portrayal. Most of his comics was him bullying the fuck out of his friends in creative and crazy ways.

>>212529706
Saars you are brown saars. I am brahmin caste saars, elite saars

>>212529956
What about Krypto pissing on Mr Terrific? Green Lantern quipping about Superman glasses? Hawkgirl killing presidents?

>>212527567
He was rightfully afraid of what humanity would do if they found out his true identity

>>212529956
The fact that they turned zod into Doomsday still is the most retarded thing about that movie, but I was also 7 and got weekly editions of superman when death of superman wad running so I'm anchored to nostalgia

>>212529988
Super dickery

>>212530151
Yeah we know retard.

>>212530168
Yeah. If anything, the only time he was this boyscout was during that very brief time during the mid 40s. Because by the time they hit the 50s Superman stopped being a "symbol" and became this crazy character that the write would just do whatever the fuck they wanted with him, like him being the father of Satan or something.

>>212530199
>Yeah we know retard.
Apparently not because so many people meme the tornado scene

>>212527297 (OP)
Wrong, it was kino

>>212527297 (OP)
>Man of Steel.jpg
This nigga's baldin'. Look at his hairline.
>>212527459
Why the fuck is an article dated September 6th 2017 talking about a movie that came out on June 14th 2013?

>>212530824
are we really going to pretend he's not the best looking superman?
sure, he's not a great actor but it's not exactly a role that requires much of that

>>212527716
>Even darkseid was quipping in this show. Wtf are you babbling about?
You Indians are so non-human.
"THIS" is a quip?!!!!!
If it's not bad enough they're Indian, they were likely born after1990.

>>212530295
The tornado scene in Man of Steel is fundamentally flawed, and no amount of "his dad didn’t want Clark to reveal himself to the world yet" can salvage it for me. You’re telling me that an all powerful, invulnerable alien who can move at the speed of sound just watches his father walk into a tornado and die, because of some vague fear about the world not being ready? It’s logically incoherent.

>>212527623
from the justice league cartoon retard

>>212527567
>DUDE just let your alien son be experimented on by the government

>>212531107
He wasn't broadcasting his powers to the entire world. His dad was literally a few feet in front of him and he could have saved him in a split second. Defenders of this scene act like it's some profound moral dilemma but it's just artificially tragic and inconsistent with Superman's character.

>>212531041
Costner's acting was also shit throughout except I suppose his voice during "You are my son", but his face remains static as hell like it did during the tornado. Heart attack death as a concept is the best one

>>212531509
>Heart attack death as a concept is the best one
This. No way for Superman to save him.

>>212527567
This is the face and gesture you give your bro when he wants the night to keep going and party harder and you're telling him 'no'

How is someone a fan of something and they only speak about a brief portion of what they're a fan of? Zack Snyder is going to be 60 on March 1st next year, Zack was born in 1966, and "fans" of his only focus on a 4 year period of his life.
What kind of fan base does that? What kind of fanbase actively ignores other projects he's worked on? Nothing else Zack's worked on gets brought up, but the same two or three movies get mentioned.
Three movies don't even get mentioned because no one even saw Justice League. They saw Man Of Steel, saw Batman Versus Superman, and had enough and tapped out and left after that.
You're literally admitting you're not a fan by focusing on 4 years of a 60 year old man's life.

>>212531535
I toyed around with ideas for Superman origin (more in limited animated form) and I tended towards that Clark was always intending to use his powers to help people but Pa's death was such a gut punch and he thought if only he understood where he came from and what he was he could have saved him and save many more people so that spurs on the odyssey that leads to the fortress eventually. His arc is basically accepting that even after all he discovers, he cannot rescue everybody. Bitter pill for him to swallow but he will always try his hardest, fight with every fibre of his being, etc. etc.

>>212531543
Well the zoomers just werent there when it all happened. When i was in high school, Dawn of the Dead and 300 were HUGE hits. Even the news stations on cable TV were talking about how crazy jacked the cast of 300 was.

Later on, in college, Watchmen, while still a controversial adaption for a few reasons, was still a huge deal at the time as Snyder had done what was considered by many people as impossible. Yeah the movie is not perfect but i cant imagine another director alive or dead that could top what he did besides maybe Cameron and Rodriguez teaming up like they did for Alita. Maybe the Wachowskis too. But thats it.

>>212531077
For fuck sake it’s the same canon same writers are you really gonna make me pull up more clips and quotes to prove you all wrong? Just watch a Mxyzptlk episode

https://youtu.be/l_Z40-FcjnM?si=iVj0lqR_Nh5V00_D

>>212527504
There was an episode where Superman was constantly trolling a 5th dimension imp.

>>212527297 (OP)
Because people are embarrassed to watch superhero/comic book movies and Man of Steel tries to LARP as some thoughtful deep cinema (at least until the last act until it just becomes disaster porn) so it makes people feel smart.

>>212527297 (OP)

Superman Returns was a flop. Nobody actually likes campy boyscout Superman. WB wanted a more action pack realistic take like TDK so they hired the TDK writer David S. Goyer, got Snyder who directed 300 and Watchmen and Nolan was a producer. Only fucking boomers got mad about him killing Zod. Millenials identify with Smallville TV show and Clark Kent saving people in secret is more interesting than the Superman character boomers like.

This Snyder vs Gunn bullshit is politics.

>>212532759
Superman Returns flopped because it was fucking boring not because it was campy. All Superman does is lift shit. Also Superman in that movie is a weird autist who is a deadbeat dad and just cucks some guy into raising his son.

>>212527297 (OP)
Unironically i belive a lot of movies tried to be dark in the early 2010's
Take a look at Godzilla 2014 and TASM 2012

>>212532759
> Nobody actually likes campy boyscout Superman.

Completely retarded jeet take. Superman Returns bombed because it was boring and wasn’t campy or fun at all. It went all in on Superman being a boring “Christ” symbol. No, Snyder didn’t invent that. Just like Cavill’s Superman, Routh Superman had no personality at all outside being cast because he looked like Reeve

>>212527297 (OP)
cute parrot zoom zoom
or are you using a script like the other thread? same vapid talking points, same 3 'gotchas'

>>212527504
>Not a single quip or boy scout mannerism
how wrong can one retard be?
the episode alone with that alien thats voiced by Gilbert Gottfried has BOTH of those things

holy shit can Gunn-shill retards at least do SOME sort of homework before they try and strawman?

>>212528137
>>212530942
>no spelling or grammar mistakes
>must be ESL!

project much, like >>212533425 - all the same tired talking points, all the retarded newfaggots are parroting the same wrong things over and over

>>212532960
>jeet
>>212527990
>pajeets
>>212528069
>pajeets
>>212528566
>pajeet

so this is the new "s-oy" or "tranny" or new zoomster low hanging fruit insult because...?

>>212533592
Good morning sir

>>212533592
Probably because of the explosion of Indian presence on the internet over the last few years.

The extreme mass destruction made Superman look like a huge fucking dick

>>212528357
>Snyder builds up kryptonians to be near indestructible
>Concept of near divine being not being able to bleed or being destroyed
>Snyder builds up Superman to be a powerhouse that he would be match for a literal God
Gunn and Snyder aimed for different things and scales, Gunn wants his Superman to be more human, Snyder wanted his to fight Gods.
Personally, Superman not bleeding worked well, normaly when he bleeds is because some guy is reality strong, which holds Superman being "indestructible" as "true"

>>212527562
>>212527584
>>212532472
>>212533483
Anon is right tho, DCAU Superman didn't quipped, he was kind of naive and good boy, but he was serious and stoic 90% of the time. The Cadmus arc was him in his most serious and straight assertive time.
>My Aventures with Superman = Gunn
>DCAU = Snyder
That's how I felt

>>212527348
dont forget to adjust for inflation

>>212527990
DC gig was always this tho, majority of the most famous stories as darker and more realistic, with body horror, death, sexual violence and violence
>Killing Hoje
>Infinite Crisis
>Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow
>Death of Superman
>Darkseid war
>Doomsday clock
>A Serious house
>Darkest Night
>Death in the family
One of the most shocking was Aquaman losing his kid, no one had the balls to adapt that story and kill a kid.

>>212528357
>Kryptonians do not cause any harm to each other
Holy kek so all those buildings and blown up rubble was for nothing

Apologize

Fuck DC and fuck WB, just let Snyder move on, he needs a new project that could replace DC for him, and I think Dragon Ball is the right choice, he needs to direct that Bardock movie, it's literally the most suitable story for his vision.

>>212534938
half of those aren't even DCs most famous stories. The only DC character where most of his famous catalogue is dark shit is Batman. Superman's more famous stories, All-Star, Superman For All Seasons, Birthright, Warworld etc. are not particularly dark. The only one that is super dark is Death of Superman, and that's only famous because it's dark for a Superman story because he's killed off for shock value. It's the exception that proves the rule. It's also a shit story.

>>212534925
> dont forget to adjust for inflation

Nobody gives a shit about muh adjusted for inflation. This movie makes 800 million its the highest grossing Superman movie ever. Period. And that’s all companies care about. Fact people are willing to pay for ridiculous ticket prices to see a Superman movie is the real testament

>>212535139
Kill yourself for even suggesting this

>>212535139
spic detected

>>212535165
>>212535237
Cope, you fucking snowflakes.
The Saiyans have a better lore and history than Kryptonians, and he could literally do more with them without choosing to blow up their planet right away like in Man of Steel, because Dragon Ball isn't just about Goku.
He did 300, Army of the Dead and Rebell Moon, these movies literally have everything to make this work.

>>212528120
>In three films from Zack Superman has killed, refused to kill, DIED, and been brought back to life to join a team and we have no clue how he feels or what he thinks about any of it in depth.
That is quite literally not how Arthurian characters work. The Synder films are a remake of Excalibur with DC characters. The characters are not meant to come across as relatable and human. They exist as mythical figures. The closest Arthur ever comes to expressing a coherent sentiment about himself and his life is:
>I have often thought that in the hereafter of our lives, when I owe no more to the future and can be just a man, that we may meet, and you will come to me and claim me as yours, and know that I am your husband. It is a dream I have...

>>212535083
These are bad movies.

>>212535478
¡Ay, caramba!

>>212528674
Superman isn't Jesus, he's King Arthur. Batman is Lancelot. Lex is Morgana. That's where all that "Batman is going to sleep with Lois Lane" stuff was coming from, because Lancelot cucked King Arthur and also fucked a woman impersonating King Arthur's wife, and the result was Galahad, the most pure and virtuous knight, a greater man than Lancelot could ever be.

Comparing snyder to nolan is like comparing apples to oranges. I always hated apples and could never eat them.

Snyder is sorta like Paul W.S. Anderson except Paul can write his own screenplays, and Snyder needs award-winning screenwriters to write his movies for him. He's a much better action director, but has a much worse sense of aesthetics.

>>212535609
> Superman isn't Jesus, he's King Arthur. Batman is Lancelot. Lex is Morgana.

This is why I’m so happy that idiot is not longer in charge.

Hot take coming through: audiences were so spoiled by a REAL director directing capeshit, that they could never go back to the cheap stuff.

>>212527297 (OP)
i thought it was cool

>>212535906
by the way, i went to the same high school as him (nolan)

>>212535554
>>212528120
We know what Clark feel about things. Not because he has a 10 min scene screaming about it, but because of acting and what is shown in the scene with him in it. This is a visual medium.

>>212527297 (OP)
I'm watching the first episode of small ville. I wish I could go back to when it was first out, and make far better choices.

>>212535796
I'm also happy because it means Snyder will never run his DC movies into the ground with garbage like Rebel Moon. Instead, his DC trilogy of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Justice League will stand the test of time and be regarded as absolutely exceptional capeshit a century from now. Gunn's stuff is going to be forgotten regardless of how well it reviews because it leaves no impression.

>>212536069
chloe's just showing Clark the wall of weird.
innocent, better times

>>212535946
I agree with you, but I was more referring to MoS. MoS, BvS, and ZSJL work together to tell a coherent story.

>>212535478
Why would you want that hack anywhere near DB lore?

>>212536137
You're right. There's only one man who can handle Dragonball, and only one woman who can play Bulma.

>>212536099
now lana's turned up at clark's barn to dance with him, so she can torment him for another six years.

>>212527297 (OP)
It actually had a vision, even if said vision was bleak and dour. Objectively speaking, there's nothing in it that's badly written or inconsistent.

I rewatched it, jesus is aged so badly, clark lack of personality was the worst, he doesn't react to shit.

>>212527297 (OP)
>Why did people pretend this shit was good?
Two words: Faora

>>212536604
Pa Kent death scene was poorly written

>>212527297 (OP)
loved this movie. literally perfect

>>212527950
>>212528357
>>212535060
Don't pretend like you ever gave a shit about normiecattle deaths in this movie.

>>212536604
having the first 2 hours of your film be Superman finding himself and 90% of the dialogue be nothing but exposition only to have the last 30 minutes be excessive destruction porn is a poorly written screenplay, yes.

>>212533592
The funniest part is that you guys never refute being Indian by just posting hand+timestamp, you just get mad at getting called Indian and then shart out a snarky reddit comment lol.

>>212527504
this show was pretty mid, the DCU is better off not copying this

>>212528821
MoS had those moments as well, it just made Clark look dignified during them.

>>212528120
>Everyone always blows Snyder for taking on dark themes but taken in total he doesn’t have anything to actually SAY about any of the issues he brings up.
100% this, he's just a perennial teenager who thinks "Dark" is nothing more than an aesthetic/tone rather than a whole other dimension/perspective that opens the doors to interesting new opportunities and angles with which you can create compelling stories with.

>>212528307
>haven't been topped by any other capeshit.
Indians I fucking swear, I can name several off the top of my head from the 20 years BEFORE MoS.

>>212529329
People actually loved Cavillman. Snyder's vision didn't fail, that entire retarded cinematic universe did.

>>212527297 (OP)
What's wrong with having a version of Superman being dark and brooding? There are plenty of versions that the portray him differently if you don't like this version. Batman fans don't seem have an issue with wildly differing portrayals of the character.

>>212537279
>>212528120
>MoS doesn't have anything to actually SAY

>>212537275
He fights with Zod for like 20 minutes and by the end of the fight doesn't have a scratch on him.

>>212537344
>Batman fans don't have an issue with wildly differing portrayals of the character
Lmao since when? Batman has been brooding, grounded and gritty since the backlash to Batman & Robin. I guarantee if you tried to make a colorful campy Batman in live action today, people would throw a fit. Hell, Batman fans also threw a fit at Snyder portraying him as a murderman in BvS too.

>>212527297 (OP)
kek the gunnjeet meltdown is in full swing

>>212537322
This movie is so fucking good. Pixar was on a roll all the way through Toy Story 3.

>>212537365
None of them can hurt each other, true. Doesn't mean they don't get fatigued or mentally worn down. It's the reason why Superman resorted to killing Zod at the end.

>>212537279
>>212528120
>MoS doesn't have anything to actually SAY

>>212537483
>None of them can hurt each other
Then it's boring as fuck. I don't want to watch a fight of two people getting "fatigued".

>>212528518
>Constantly shaking, zooming in, lens flairs
Something I've realized about movies from a little over ten years ago were all these incredibly infuriating things being in vogue. I blame Hunger Games for it, but I swear EVERYTHING made from around 2010-2015 had this shit and it's infuriating. The only movie I've watched from then that does this well other than Hunger Games is Captain Phillips because it's actually immersive and appropriate given the situation, setting, and pacing of that film.
>>212528872
>I’ve been shitting on these films for a decade now
Literallyme.jpg
>>212529129
>Why are you asuming that Superman should save everybody or even care?
Watch/read Watchmen if you want shit like this retard, Superman just isn't the guy you want for something like this.
>>212530168
Why can't we get a Terry Gilliam or Wes Anderson Superman movie :(

>>212537533
Well shit, fuck Snyder for wanting to show Superman fighting a worthy opponent i guess.

>>212527297 (OP)
They snagged the Dragon Ball audience

isn't superman kind of gay

>>212536757
Mhmmm...

>>212527297 (OP)
>Alien comes to earth
>US Gov didn't know
>Random Jornos find him
>Random Soldiers is the Martian Manhunter
Yes, It was shit. Sneederfags are retards, specially those who loves Kojimbo too.

>>212537525
Zod
>fanatically clings to his religion(science as embodied in the Kryptonian genetics program)
>seeks to restore Krypton's glorious past even if that means a genocide campaign
>blind to the advantages of tolerance and co-existence
He's a radical extremist

Superman
>politically polarizing
>seeks to define himself through action alone
>sees no importance in firmly establishing an identity for himself through a dialogue with the society in which he's immersed
>associated with atrocities in a war-torn region
>painted as being complicit in the Senate bombing by his silence in its aftermath
He's mainstream "good Muslim" Islam.

Batman
>traumatized by the Kryptonian invasion
>watches his tower fall
>resorts to torture and what is to his mind justifiable homicide in his "war campaign"
>lies (to Alfred) about a WMD(the dirty bomb)
>literally quotes Cheney in his "1% chance" speech
>vilifies his "enemy" based solely off where he's from and what he *might* do
That's the post-911 West right there.

Lex
>heavily wired into the government and involved in weapons research
>provides "civillian contractors" to foreign warlords
>the money behind "shadow interventions" in these war zones.
>seeks to paint Superman as a global threat
>resorts to fear-mongering and the politics of divisiveness to further his own selfish ends
>wears the "false halo" of self-serving philanthropy
>when his preferred "enemy" fails to cooperate, he drags the corpse of Zod out to play the part in his stead
And there's your selfish corporate interest.

>>212531543
>"fans" of his only focus on a 4 year period of his life.
Because during those 4 years he was one of the most popular and deeply divisive filmmakers on the planet who was leading the anti-Marvel when capeshittery was at its peak.
>had enough and tapped out and left after that
In all fairness the stuff he made after that was somehow even worse.
>>212532114
>Well the zoomers just werent there when it all happened
What's interesting is that apart from Indians, most Zoomers don't really have strong opinions on Snyder apart from their collective memory of vividly remembering how shit MoS and BvS were; while the few capeshitters remaining in our gen are just that. I'd argue Zoomers were the ones that gave Watchmen a second life and re-evaluated the movie in the popular consciousness while 300 is a 00s classic at this point. And again, they have reason to disregard the rest of his filmography given it's so fucking bad otuside of those two or three movies he made before he got his big shot at DC.
>i cant imagine another director alive or dead that could top what he did
Villeneuve, Matthew Vaughn, and Hideaki Anno would be my picks.
>>212532805
>a lot of movies tried to be dark in the early 2010's
They were holdovers from the 00s when grimdark shit was massive, especially in games.

>>212535139
>Dragon Ball
We already saw what a Snyderball would look like mi hermano

>>212529566
>he loves his son more than anything. totally consistent
Clark can just run and pick him and people will write that off as adrenaline or luck. They were too busy fearing for their life, they won't even thought too much about Clark running slightly faster than the fastest human alive while lifting his dad.

>>212538056
>Clark running slightly faster than the fastest human alive while lifting his dad
Especially given Clark is a chiseled 6' 4" red meat gigachad in the prime of his life.

>>212527716
That's not a quip you dung munching, sister breedin, street defiling, cow worshippin, head bobbin, sandal and cheap jeans wearin, google gift card redeemin', shit colored talking ape.

>>212534938
>Killing Hoje

>>212538160
Yeah, exactly, no one will question his power especially in that kind of situation where most human adrenaline go overdrive and ignore most limitation. It just dramatic for dramatic sake. Also in all superman incarnation, his dad lives. It is part of his character and arc, his dad guiding him to be an actual superman.

>>212537600
If he was a worthy opponent he would've been able to actually land a noticeable wound on Superman in their 30 minute fight. Not have a slapfight where neither of them can hurt each other until the movie just arbitrarily decides Superman can kill him with one move now.

>>212537670
He has a kid with another man and fights wearing a speedo so I'd say yes

>>212528307
Based, it was high-octane kino.
>>212537075
Worked for the Avengers.
>>212538587
>Not have a slapfight where neither of them can hurt each other until the movie just arbitrarily decides Superman can kill him with one move now
Did you forget everything i've said about the fatigue?

>>212537991
>Zoomers don't really have strong opinions on Snyder apart from their collective memory of vividly remembering how shit MoS and BvS were
Zoomers fucking love those movies, check out any YouTube comment section.

>>212538759
>worked for the Avengers
What? Did you see the Avengers? It had action sprinkled throughout the entire movie.

>>212538759
"he fights him until he gets fatigued" is not a "worthy opponent", that's just a boring fight. A worthy opponent would be someone who can actually damage him with each of his blows.

You'll notice after your gif, Superman just gets up completely unscathed. So why should I give a shit if he's hit?

>>212537328
> People actually loved Cavillman
is that why Black Adam flopped?

>>212538958
Nobody was going to see Black Adam just for a cameo.

This post was made by:
-Gunn
-Faggot intern sucking him off
or the
-Faggot rotten tomato woke tranny who deleted the negative Ironheart reviews

>>212535139
the most retarded shit I've ever read, Dragon Ball is part comedy and has interesting choreography. snyder did the MoS fight scenes by doing them all in CGI, we already have animated dragon ball

>>212538816
>YouTube comment section.
Anon... those are Indians...

>>212535139
>>212535478
Zack Snyder's Neón Génesis Evangelion.

>>212539633

>>212538889
If you actually watched the movie, you'd know that Superman doesn't just "get up completely unscathed". He pretty much spends the remainder of that fight on the back foot, getting pressed by two Kryptonians.

>>212539514
Yes yes, every single one of them, no matter how articulate or well thought out.

>>212538889
>So why should I give a shit if he's hit?
Do you want him to bleed out of the asshole, to groan and wheeze? They're mid-bosses, not even fully powered up by Earth's atmosphere and Sun.

>>212539633
Anno unironically could've done Superman better

>>212523767
>It doesn't matter that it looks like shit. What matters is it got great critic and audience scores and it's superman.
Lol. Lmao.

Where do Gunncucks get off calling anyone pajeets? This new shit looks like it's tailor-made for India.

>>212540958
Yeah ok jeet

>>212540958
Projection

>>212541076
Saar!

>>212541238
BEST FISTICUFFS!

>>212527297 (OP)
>It was a complete affront to Superman.
based

>>212541274
ME ON MY WAY TO THEATRE SAAR

>>212527297 (OP)
Basing your entire personality around some fetid dogshit or other is a core trait of autistic children.

>>212527297 (OP)
Why do you give a shit about what someone on the internet thinks?

>>212541274
>>212541318
This movie is india coded for sure.

>>212527297 (OP)
>Why did people pretend this shit was good?
No one did. It was regularly memed to hell and back on /tv/ with tons of edits and templates ("Stop my invincible son" being my favorite). It wasn't seen as good until jeets made a personality out of being a Snyderfag.

Sooo, where is this narrative coming from that this new movie coming out is somehow a loss for Snyder? He got to say everything he wanted, he made two movies the way he wanted to and then dipped from the third one when his daughter killed herself. Years later they brought him back and gave him free 60 millions to finish his movie and fix Whedon's fuck-ups. He's been happy making slop ever since while the retards over at WB run his universe into the ground.

>>212541702
>He's been happy making slop for Netflix
Fix.

>>212541702
It's just man children who think turning superman into a goof somehow owns snyder, like it was his personal mission to force them to grow up or something

>>212541702
Don't expect too much from Gunnshills, they probably think he made WW84, Black Adam and Flash.

>>212541783
>>212541809
Lmao, I'll never escape samefag allegations.

>>212536757
Thoughts on this new bitch?

>>212528357
A retarded take when the purpose of action in capeshit was always to entertain. MoS fights may look like a live-action cartoon but it's damn fun live-action cartoon.