Thread 212538858

It was panned on release because people rightly thought it was straight garbage post war propaganda. Boomers are retards so I understand them loving it when it was shown on repeat after falling out of copyright, but why do millennials and zoomers like this slop?
The main theme of the film is self sacrifice, to the point of personal aspirations being inherently selfish, and daring to live for yourself will destroy the lives of those around you. How depressing.

>>212538858 (OP)
I'm not a huge fan either but it's kind of Charlie Brown-esque. He was upset he had sacrificed so much throughout his life and needed to be shown how much influence he had, that he was the axis his community and loved ones relied on.
If it makes you salty he didn't go out and live his best life as a broke traveller who winds up the male equivalent of a cat lady roastie, I don't know what to tell you.

>>212539235
Why would he end up as a broke traveler? I don't believe that would happen

>>212538858 (OP)
your perspective is off and that's not a reflection of the film, but yourself. contributing to your community is what society is all about and only leads to strength and prosperity.

>>212539464
Ok Confucius

>>212538858 (OP)
propaganda for what, and what does the war have to do with it

>>212539625
Propaganda to be good wagie and not do anything to extreme or different in life. just conform and things work out. its a very common post war propaganda theme to reestablish men into the homefront after asking them to kill people for years

>>212539681
you realize it's the same story as Dickens' 1843 book A Christmas Carol?

>>212539753
Wot

>>212539753
its not at all lmao. scrooge and george are completely different characters who go through different arcs

>>212538858 (OP)
If you have a family to support, then yes, you are going to have to sacrifice some selfish ambition for the good of the family. As for post-war propaganda, one could make a case that your highly individualist ideals are far more in line with the post-1945 Open Society/Neo-Liberal order than anything in the film.

It shows the face of g-d which I find tasteless. Don't care about the rest of it.

>>212538858 (OP)
i liked it

>>212539906
The film cucks george's ambition before he has a wife and kids. Plenty of men chase dreams and support their parents through it while finding a wife along the way. There's millions of Mexicans in the US doing exactly that.

The Open Society/Neo-Liberal order were not the only people shilling propaganda post war.

>>212540022
>Plenty of men chase dreams and support their parents through it while finding a wife along the way.
Plenty more discover they have ultimately make a choice between prioritising family ahead of selfish goals. Maybe your dream of becoming a rich rockstar who tours the world and bangs groupies has to give way to the needs of a family.

>>212540130
But that wasn't George's deam. You're strawmaning because you have no argument. George's dream is to leave Bedford Falls and see the world, experience some adventure, and building grand things like skyscrapers and bridges. That's totally reasonable and he could easily support his family doing that.

>>212540190
You've got a good idea for a movie, anon. A guy goes on vacation, builds skyscrapers, and has financial security. That has the makings of a classic film like It's a Wonderful Life.

>>212540533
You are being purposefully obtuse and strawmaning to no end.
George simply could enlist in the army or peace core, or go to college. Then he would spend time developing his skills as an architect or engineer. Then he would open his own firm, get clients, and build cool stuff.

>>212540533
Nigger have you ever watched Forrest Gump?

>>212540190
>You're strawmaning because you have no argument.
It's called an analogy by way of explanation. The point is that one must at some point decide what they should prioritise, and one has to be realistic about the chances of a dream succeeding. Whichever one you choose to prioritise, there will be sacrifices. We can't have everything we want in this life. It's been decades since I've seen the film so I can't remember how realistic George's dream of becoming a big-shot architect who builds skyscrapers was, but even if his chances were good, that's not really the point.
The film is ultimately about the main character coming to appreciate what he has in his family and community. The point there is not that young men shouldn't have ambition or aim high, but that if you don't appreciate what is near to you, especially family and community, you will be miserable. Often in life we take what we have for granted. That's partly why the film resonates with people. The other reason it resonates is that the experience of achieving one's dreams is far more rare than the experience of having to come to terms with failure to achieve dreams, of having to accept compromise, or diminished expectations. For every one person who achieved the goal of being at the top of their field, there are many, many more who dreamed of it but at some point had to accept it wouldn't happen. That person will be constantly bitter and unhappy if they can't appreciate what they do have.

>>212539938
No, it doesn't. God is depicted as a picture of a Galaxy.

>>212538858 (OP)
>Giving to others is BAD! Doing a noble service to enrichen yourself and the everyman is BAD!
Ok Potter.

>>212541046
>enrichen

>>212540804
>but even if his chances were good, that's not really the point
It is the point when the film shows how every else's life sucks if George isn't there. This frames George's life as one of resignment, not acceptance. George does not discover how his life is meaningful and he can enjoy what he has. Instead, the film literally deus ex machinas visions of everything being shit without him, so you have to keep going for everyone else's sake, as he already had his whole life.

>>212541070
What.
It's a word.

>>212541129
Nta but that's a really negative way to interpret it.
It's a legitimate way to, but negative nonetheless.
The point is to be happy that you're so consequential.
The entire weight of your town and everyone in it rests on your shoulders.
That's amazing, really.

>>212541129
I don't remember that interpretation being correct. But I'd need to watch it again.

>>212538858 (OP)
People watch it cause it's tradition, their parents watched it, they know a lot of the lines and repeat them in a George voice, it's Christmas related so it's gets put on at holiday time. But yeah it's depressing as fuck, would rather watch a small kid maim intruders thanks.

>>212541210
based. i prefer Gremlins or Eyes Wide Shut as the goto Christmas time movies myself

>>212541168
but being so consequential is not something everyman can do as >>212540804 states

>>212541356
Depends on your view of consequential.
That's the message of the film.
George doesn't think he's done anything important.
But his mere existence has affected the lives of many others.
Most of us existing won't save a town, but it could brighten a life.

>>212538858 (OP)
You're not as smart as you think you are.

>>212541455
Pursuit of Happyness or Sideways are much better films that show the impact people can have on one another perspectives. IaWL deus ex machina framing just kills it for me personally

>>212539681
he's not a wagie and he's not conforming, he is the owner of an organization that his entire community relies on
if George had the wagoid mindset he would have gone to work for Potter for a bigger paycheck

>>212541624
I mean it's just a dramatic way to emphasize it.
But yes, if you're looking for a more realistic approach, a film with angels isn't it.

>>212538858 (OP)
happy wife = happy life
they both made wishes and her wish was to undo his and have things her way. in the end, it was the better thing.

>>212539464
>contributing to your community is what society is all about and only leads to strength and prosperity.
Collectivism doesn't work, Adolf Marx.

>>212539806
New anon here… true Scrooge was a rich immoral elitist and George was an ordinary guy… but they both began with zero belief in Christmas and had supernatural experiences with an angel who explained things and both end with the protagonist running around screaming about how great Christmas is

>>212538858 (OP)
It's basically a slightly more modern retelling of A Christmas Carol but set in America with a very charming lead actor in Jimmy Stewart.

Most people that like the film seem to really only enjoy the end of it desu.

>>212542980
trvke. the future is female btw

>>212538858 (OP)
>movie is about a white Christian man sacrificing his individualist goals to save his white Christian town from a greedy Jew that wants to turn it into a satanic shithole
>panned on release because Jews hated it
>brownoid on /tv/ cant understand why this movie is beloved by White people

Klaus does a much better job than It's a Wonderful Life at depicting a disillusioned man learning to enjoy his life and community. The minions man redeemed his sins and made kino.

>>212543561
individualism is not a brown value anon, it's white as can be

>>212538858 (OP)
>but why do millennials and zoomers like this slop?

It was part of the shared culture we had in the 80s and 90s. It came on at Christmas time every year on most of the handful of tv channels we had and pretty much everyone had seen it.

Younger generations who've always had access to everything on the internet don't really have that sense of shared culture. The water cooler show that everyone watched and talked about or the shared cultural milestone like Its a Wonderful Life that everyone knew and referenced don't really exist any more. I think that's part of why we're fracturing as a society. How am I supposed to relate to some deranged zoomer who spends all his time watching tranny streamers on twitch?

>>212543561
>christcuck cant understand yts were better off before christianity
>the movie was panned by yts, it bombed at the box office
ngmi

yts prefer stories about Homeric heros btw. not ninny sissies who get bailed out by yaweh

>>212538858 (OP)
Pic related is individualist kino everyone should watch. It blows It's a Wonderful Life out of the water

>>212543616
I know its hard for a brown person to understand, but self reflective movies are enjoyed by white people, we find them poignant, deep, and emotional. Whites worship individuality because we are the creative geniuses of this world, so a movie about an individualist dreamer realizing that saving our people from Jewish satanism might actually be something worth setting aside individualism for it hits home for us. The story falls flat with brownoids because they never had that creative individualist spirit in the first place.

>>212543025
it's how society has progressed. someone specializes and contributes their skill, the community grows and prospers. a couple of guys are great hunters and go out and get food. the others hang back and are good at working the land and crops, the women tan the hides and fashion clothes, eventually instead of just doing it for the tribe, some get so good at their thing, they can trade their wares with other tribes for the specializations others have and everyone else is better off. society progresses and prospers. That's what I'm talking about, not your stupid commie shit.

>>212543677
>panned by whites
>in 1930s hollywood
Hi jew

>>212543845
>appeal to technology
Ted K does not approve of this message

>>212543025
btw,
this >>212543845
is called "capitalism" and again, what has allowed society to thrive and progress
George's skill was giving back to his community and running that building and loan. when everyone else "lost their heads" he kept them afloat, used his honeymoon money to weather the run during the depression, etc. He specialized and his talent for the job that he never really liked actually benefited the town and people greatly and everyone prospered because of it.

>>212543025
Collectivism vs Individualism is a false dichotomy put about after WW2 by the likes of Hayek, Freedman, and Popper.

>>212543850
yts made up the majority of ticket sales retard. if yts didn't see the movie, they clearly weren't interested in it. you are the the jew

>>212543820
Potter keeps George's money and George did not righteously strike down Potter in the name of Titus, so I would say Jews won in It's a Wonderful Life

>>212538858 (OP)
David Lynch loved this movie and had a very acute sense of seemingly innocent films with underlying antihumanist darkness that gets apparent if you start digging deeper. No wonder it was a big influence on the very dark Eraserhead.

>>212543924
Whites didnt see your pagan faggot larper movie The Northman either. Whats your point?

>>212538858 (OP)
Frank Capra was a sicilian guy who was all family values and supporting your community. American hyper-individualism was something he took issue with.
If you're one of those 'rugged individualist' americans or some jew, you're not gonna like It's a Wonderful Life.

>>212538858 (OP)
>post war propaganda.
What exactly is the propaganda it's pushing? Don't kill yourself because your life has meaning? Friends and family will make you feel richer than possessions?

>>212544005
No wonder the movie was hated at the time of release.
The movie's messaging was basically telling boomers to not turn into the selfish cunts that they would eventually become.

>>212543980
the northman was made a jew. i dont care for pagan larping, there is no sense in trying to pretend to believe in something, it hardly works. that doesnt mean christcucks arent a tool of the jews to subvert society by pushing openess

>>212544046
>1946 release
>boomers hated it at release
yes anon all those 1 year olds really thought it was shit. you are retarded
>>212544005
it pushes servitude at the cost of freedom

>>212544082
Those most in favour of openness tend to be atheists who believe in universal human solidarity. They also have the lowest birthrates and have higher suicide rates than religious believes.

>>212544082
>I dont care what you believe in as long as its not Christ
Hi jew

>>212543607
I like Klaus

>>212544117
>it pushes servitude at the cost of freedom
i'd say it pushes sacrifice for the greater good
net freedom actually increased greatly because everyone else in town was better off thanks to one man's sacrifice

>>212544253
This.

>>212544117
>it pushes servitude at the cost of freedom
It's not all or nothing. Setting up a black and white choice between total freedom and total service is unrealistic, and I don't think the film does that.

>>212544197
>dead jew on a stick worshipper calling others jews
lol, lmao even
>>212544158
sure, but there are not many atheists compared to christcucks, who are also into openness
>>212544253
why dont you sacrifice yourself and kill a glolohomo politician. put your money where you mouth is. you wont tho bc you're an egoist deep down inside

>>212538858 (OP)
it was panned on release because the intro is the main character about to commit suicide

>>212544324
Youre not good at this. If youre a jew youre not very convincing, if youre a goy youre too low IQ to have this conversation.

>>212538858 (OP)
It’s a movie enjoyed by people with low IQs

>just the mere mention of this movie’s name attracts all the jews on /tv/ to come and seethe
Endlessly based movie

>>212544253
>i'd say it pushes sacrifice for the greater good
This is what I said in the OP
>net freedom actually increased greatly because everyone else in town was better off thanks to one man's sacrifice
Eh, I'd certainly say the towns GDP increased, but how were they more free because of him? They still have to work whether they are debtors to Potter or George.

>>212544366
>>212544457
>wahhh everyone i dont liek is a kike
RKO pictures was investigated by HUAC and had many noncooperative members, aka jews. your precious movie was financed by jews. cope and seethe

>>212544628
>wahhh everyone i dont liek is a kike
Yes.

>>212544534
A mother who abandons her newborn child is more free than one who devotes herself to feeding and raising her child. But is it generally good for mothers to prioritise maximum individual freedom over any service to her own children? Not really. The idea that maximum human freedom is a wise goal worth pursuing is dubious.
Of course there is also such a thing as too-much sacrifice for the good of others, and it is possible for there to be too-little freedom.
We shouldn't want to go too-far in either direction: either maximum individualism or maximum collectivism.

>>212544834
I agree there are extremes that are bad, but how does George specifically make the town more free?

>>212544946
I didn't say he does. Different anon.

>>212544983
But that was the question I asked in my post you replied to...

>>212544946
I'm that anon.
>Dozens of the prettiest little homes you ever saw. Ninety per cent owned by suckers who used to pay rent to you.
>No more we live like pigs in this Potter's Field.

Instead of paying rent to Potter, Martini felt freer owning a new home, his family starting a more fulfilling life on their own property. They could probably plant a garden, keep their goat in their own backyard, etc.
Also, I imagine they got good deals on their loans. The guy tells potter the homes are worth twice what it cost George to build them, suggesting he was giving loans for buildings that were immediately worth more than the loans people were taking out for them. More financial freedom and prosperity.