Why is human instrumentality good?

>>212561991 (OP)
I think SEELE believed it was a necessary step to make it past the bottleneck of the Angels' appearances. After further contemplation, it could be the Angels were pushing humanity in a direction the Angels hoped would culminate with instrumentality.

>>212561991 (OP)
I dunno wtf was going on in this but it sure was kino

>>212561991 (OP)
its not. it's literally baby's first nihilism and malthuism.
>HUHHUR DUUUR I CRY LIKE A FAGGOT ALL DAY THEREFORE ALL THE PLANET SHOULD COME TO AN END SO NOBODY FEELS ANYTHING!
>HURHRUDUUR OMG I CAN GET MY COCK SUCKED AND I LAUGHED AT MY OWN FARTS! LIFE ALSO HAS HAPPINESS?!!!! O_O
kill yourself if you think this was fucking eye opening

>>212561991 (OP)
depends on your point of view. it's essentially a mass, literal ego death. so the good side of that is it removes the pain and friction that come from having an ego, but the downside is it strips people of their individuality too and everything good that comes from that. that's why Shinji ended up giving people a choice if they wanted to stay tang'd or not.

>>212562976
>let people choose if they wanna die or not
wow what a motherfucking benevolent asshole

Does heat cause breast inflation?

>>212561991 (OP)
Go back to /a/

>>212561991 (OP)
Mentally ill.

>>212563049
it's not really death though.

>>212561991 (OP)
You get everyone's memories and become a mini god. Everyone else does too. What's left is a single new being.

>>212563110
Do you understand what it is you searched for

>>212563160
Proof you faggot /a/ spic trannies are spamming your troonshows on a board where it doesn't belong.

>>212563150
So if everyone has each other's memories, doesn't that mean everyone knows about everyone else's secret fetishes/murders/parents and grandparents boning?

>>212563205
>talking about a television show on the television and film board
I see

>>212562900
>>HURHRUDUUR OMG I CAN GET MY COCK SUCKED AND I LAUGHED AT MY OWN FARTS!
This but unironically, I lost my virginity after watching End of Evangelion with a girl

>>212563209
kind of but those also become your fetishes because there's no distinction between you and the next guy. everybody is part of a single consciousness. really, there is no "you" anymore, just "us".

>>212561991 (OP)
>Why is human instrumentality good?
Because you're overthrowing God and his authority by going onto another plane of existence where mortality and therefore morality is not relevant.
Basically, check out gnosticism if you're interested.
>>212563205
>Boomer doesn't know how 'chan archives work
Back to Faceberg you go.
>>212562900
>kill yourself if you think this was fucking eye opening
Oh yeah because mainstream American movies and /tv/ do nihilist, gnosticist, and malthusian themes so much better with gay shit like Thanos.

>>212563287
>>212563317
Fuck off faggot troons, even moot doesn't want your degenerate kind here.

>>212563385
>moot
who?

>>212563289
>I lost my virginity after watching End of Evangelion
Zoomettes that are into EVA unironically some of the only women in my generation I can tolerate and genuinely enjoy being with given they generally like other shit I love without being insufferable letterboxd types.
My last GF was a big EVA fan too, and she was great.

Does the majority of the juice control what is true? Like rest of the world vs ziolies?

>>212563385
>moot doesn't want anime on an anime website on a board talking about movies and shows
He's very obviously criticizing tranny avatarfags in that post, are you Indian or something?

>>212563519
there is no majority or minority in the juice because there are no individuals. it's one consciousness. it's pure unity.
look into concepts of ego and ego death, nonduality, and Buddhist models of consciousness.

>>212563528
Clearly, not an anime website.

>>212563590
>not an anime website
>4chan

>>212563528
>anime website
When will newfags stop spreading this lie?

>>212563764
Never.

>>212563209
That's the point. Everyone is completely exposed. There is 100% understanding, no miss communication.

>>212563585
That's bullshit. What if two pools of juice with different ideologies mix?

>>212564164
there is only One juice. and it doesn't have an ideology. everything is true all at once, and yet nothing is. it's basic nondualism.

>>212563764
It's very clear that nobody itt is of that obnoxious early 00s /jp/ ilk and we're just having a frank discussion about this /tv/ show.
If anything I should be the one asking you what you're doing outside of /b/ or /r9k/.

>>212564164
>different ideologies
I don't think you're quite grasping the concept of a purely unified consciousness. Things like ideology are the follies of ego.

Humans are evil by nature, Rousseau should have been decapitated

>>212561991 (OP)
its hegelian.

>>212564323
You very obviously ARE that kind of obnoxious faggot. Kill your family and then kill yourself to ensure your degenerate bloodline no longer pollutes the world.

>>212564702
>You very obviously ARE that kind of obnoxious faggot
I don't avatarfag, use l33tspeak, or post about off-topic weebshit on other boards. I don't even use /a/ given it's filled with as I said, spics and trannies whilst I am a White man.
>degenerate
I'm a Traditional Catholic.

>>212563457
I've been trying to get my fiance to sit down and watch NGE for like two years and for whatever reason, after not seeing a single scene but hearing "old testament angels come to enact the rapture and Japan builds big mechs to fight them" he has it in his head that it's an actual children's anime that I have nostalgia for.
>I've sat through at least 24 full hours of harem isekai for this man.
>o-oh rudeus please, take as many wives as you want uwu

>>212561991 (OP)
Now that we've answered you, your turn to tell us why you think it's bad

>>212561991 (OP)
>y.... YOU JUST HAVE TO EXPLODE INTO ORANGE SODA, OKAY?!?

>>212563457
Why? It's the most basic "mature" anime

>angels are humans and are misunderstood
What gay shit

cast them in the live action remake

>>212565183
t. SEELE

>>212565638
shinji - timothee chalamet
asuka - zendaya
rei - bella ramsey
misato - emma stone
gendo - pedro pascal

>>212565638
Bella Ramsay is Rei
Ever Anderson is Asuka
Idris Elba is Shinji

>>212565268
>Why?
In my experience it's usually because they're into arty stuff or inclined towards it but lack the pretentiousness, politics, or know-it-all tendencies that make normal art hoes insufferable.
For example, my ex loved Twin Peaks and EVA, so we often talked about movies and shows and took recs from each other. She watched picrel and loved it, while I watched Tetsuo and loved it.
>>212565784
The scene where Bella Ramsey gets blacked was a little much for my taste, but bold nonetheless.

>>212565638
>Shinji
Some kid, preferably a hapa
>Asuka
Some hot young American and/or German/Scandinavian actress nobody's heard of, probably will need a serious audition/talent search
>Rei
Some hot young Japanese actress nobody's heard of from
>Misato
A JAV star or former JAV star built like her, same goes for Ritsuko
>Gendo
Kamiki would do a fantastic job.

>>212566232
Not Americanized and diversified enough.

>>212565949
Maybe it's just me but every girl that watches anime has usually watched EVA because it's usually the first thing that comes up once you graduate from flavor of the month stuff

>>212565638
Shinji - home alone 1 kid
Rei - blade runner 1 chick
Asuka - sabrina carpenter
Misato - alexandra dadario
Ritsko - Ellen degenerate
Gendo - Russell Crowe
Mr kaji - Owen Wilson
That guy that helps gendo - Ryan Gosling
The 3 people that monitor shit - jay and silent bob and Ellen page

Shinji is Ryan Gosling
Rei is Ana de Armas
Asuka is Ana de Armas in a red wig
Misato is drunk Ana de Armas

>>212566267
I'd make Shinji a Hapa and have his Mom be White, Aubrey Plaza would be perfect methinks.
I'd also make Kensuke a Jew and have Toji be half Filipino and make them both be from Hawaii.
>>212566289
>every girl that watches anime has usually watched EVA because it's usually the first thing that comes up once you graduate from flavor of the month
That's why it's a good sign when a girl says they like EVA; because it means they HAVE graduated from random new crap and are moving on to the actual kino, which you then introduce her to.
>>212565023
>>I've sat through at least 24 full hours of harem isekai for this man.
I hate to be that guy, but holy fuck dump that faggot. He must be a Jeet or underage or something.

>>212561991 (OP)
>>212562071

Wew lads, slooow dowwwnn. There were TWO competing sides. Adam and Lilith. There is a *perception* by SEELE that Instrumentality would be good because they would somehow still be ascending and retaining power in this giant orange Fanta slurpee. And Gendo thinks it would reunite him with his dead wife. BUT - aside from those.. 12? people? No one else has a choice (1) and (2) Adam is trying to wipe out all existing life on Earth HELLO.

No one will retain individuality after instrumentality.


>>212565771
>>212565784
then
>>212565949
hahaha you fucking ppl.

>>212561991 (OP)
can see again my dead wife. watch the series anon.

>>212563066
>"You better hope so, pancakes."

2.22 is a masterpiece.
3.0 shat the bed though. BIG SHIT.

>>212561991 (OP)
instrumentality = AGI?

>>212567601
>3.0 shat the bed
true. but 3.0+1.0 salvaged it and is an amazing capstone to the series.

>>212566267
>>212566232

Ok. Let me tell you what would crack the American audience. It would take a small amount of tweaking:

Adjust the storytelling to align correctly with Western mythos i.e. Christianity. By correctly I mean adapt portions of the story so that they synchronize with the Bible, Old Testament, and in particular the Gnostic texts, the Pseudographia, the Books of Moses - all the “questionable” stuff that make Bible scholars fight over shit and piss off various Christian sects.

It wouldn’t take a lot to do, and it would create interest.

Imagine the take is now like this - basically Asians - mainly Japanese - are the survivors of something horrific that happened. And since they are Shintoists / Buddhists et cetera, and the first and second impacts destroyed the Internet and Europe and much of America - they have NO IDEA what the f*ck is going on. It’s a grab-bag of pieces and parts, missing documents, AI decryption of the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc etc. Hell throw in some of that letter-counting in the original languages and how they spell out words b.s.

Remember the Davinci Code? People would flip their shit.

>>212568144
it was nice I suppose. Definitely hated the CG and the EVA storm that got decimated by asuka/mari.
Felt like a musou game. Shit with 0 tension.

>>212568168

*by adjust I am talking about the smallest tweaks. Drop in proper relationships between things, correct citations, etc. Just enough to align, not change the relationships, plot, etc.

>>212568144
the only good part of 4.0 is the village, it becomes slop after that

>>212568280

That Mari would ever know things about Asuka’s EVA that Asuka wouldn’t know i.e. beast mode bullshit - that ended the chance I gave it, which was already a stretch.

>>212568280
yeah I agree the cgi and action parts are lame, but the last act is thematically brilliant

>>212568168
>Adjust the storytelling to align correctly with Western mythos i.e. Christianity
I'd go different routes for different characters.
For Asuka, I'd have her arc take stronger influence from Wagner's Ring while also mixing it in with more American stuff (I'd also rewrite her so she's a German-American rather than a literal German).
For Rei, she should largely be the same, though you could maybe splash in some more manic pixie dream girl type beats with her and Shinji (while still having her be deeply detached, disassociated,and shell-shocked overall).
And then for Shinji you go the route you said, maybe mixing in some Book of Enoch type megaschizo stuff for good measure.
Personally, I think the secret ingredient is introducing a fourth pilot who's an American the same time you introduce Asuka, so you can have a more conventional (albeit arty and abstract) anti-war and self-destruction storyline akin to The Wall or Deer Hunter in there.
>are the survivors of something horrific that happened
I'd make it so that Japan and Taiwan are UN trust territories under American rule while NK took out South Korea amidst the flooding caused by the ice caps melting all of a sudden that resulted in a brutal, quick, and tragic war that killed all the American troops stationed there amidst the disorder and chaos. Putin manages to use the crisis and aftermath to bring all the former Soviet states including the Baltics into the fold of the CSTO/CIS and de facto revive the Soviet Union, while most Muslim countries have been taken over by an apocalyptic millenarian Islamist movement akin to Hizb Ut Tahrir that is fighting a perpetual total war against the Americans/NATO in the Gulf and Balkans and the CSTO in Central Asia and the Caucasus. China meanwhile has embraced ultra-Maoism amidst the aftermath of the floods and any day seems ready to try and blitz SEA, India, and/or Mongolia and Siberia with the help of their new Korean satellite.

>>212568330

Yes, the day to day lives, people actually in the cities and reacting - all the stuff they couldn’t animate in the original.

>>212561991 (OP)
it's not, instrumentality was a jewish ploy by SEELE that was always intended to be a temporary measure. Through instrumentality they now know the thoughts and feelings of the entire remaining population of Earth, putting them in the best position possible to manipulate the populace to their wishes. This end state, while not explicitly stated in End of Evangelion, is implied, and outright shown in the ending of the Rebuild movies where Shinji is a salaryman working for the modern status quo, with a shallow token relationship with a non-character specifically made to placate him.

>>212569855
>Shinji gets a happy life with a woman the same race as him
>"The jews must be behind this"

>>212569920
>happy life
>Jap salaryman

>>212569160
>Personally, I think the secret ingredient is introducing a fourth pilot who's an American the same time you introduce Asuka, so you can have a more conventional (albeit arty and abstract) anti-war and self-destruction storyline akin to The Wall or Deer Hunter in there.

NICE. I can see that. Also that we’re probably talking about a limited series on a hosting service rather than a movie imho.

But you HAVE TO put my boy Leliel back in there, never should have been taken out of the rebuilds. That was a minus also.

>I'd make it so that

Don’t forget it wasn’t just that the ice caps melted, the Earth was moved way off it’s axis. Since the rising ocean would fall mostly at the equator, and If the Equator ran at a diagonal that included from Greenland to South Africa the water levels would detroy much of Europe and the East Coast, and the west coast of Africa.

>>212569855
they never intended to return to humanity. it was Jewish though. it's literally tikkun olam.

>>212561991 (OP)
It's literally satanic, why would you think it's good?

>>212569964
>we’re probably talking about a limited series on a hosting service
I think if you did what the Rebuilds did and have it be four movies following the original series + EoE more closely albeit with these quirks and changes you could do it as long as you had each kino be about three hours long. I especially think it could work if you cut out Kaworu (which would be divisive), didn't do the Magma Diver, and didn't have the clip show fucking up the pacing.
>you HAVE TO put my boy Leliel back in there
I still have no idea why they removed it in the rebuilds, it was one of the better angels.
>the water levels would detroy much of Europe and the East Coast
Yeah, this would be the big reason you'd see the former USSR get back together and why the center of power in the U.S would move to the Midwest.
I even have an idea that you could make it so that Asuka is the daughter of a German professor who died in the impact and that she was raised in Wisconsin by her Mother instead of just having it be implied he was a just a piece of shit. It'd go a lot further in explaining why her mother became such a megaschizo.

>>212570732
>muh satan boogeyman!
do you not realize you sound like a baby afraid of ghosts in the dark?

>>212570862
He's got another one, I see.

>>212561991 (OP)
Its good because literally there's only one single being and no individuals
Anyone who argues against Instrumentality and prefers the idea of accepting pain with life is retarded as hell

>>212563066
>Asuka, maybe you should cut down on the heated pastries a bit

>>212571405

Rei always looked so much better in her plugsuit, even taking an embarassing image like this out of the equation. Pretty girl in a pretty white plugsuit. I've never understood the appeal of Asuka, either as a person/character or as an object of lust. Rei is an object of lust.

Look at the angled curve of Rei's hips here. Every Way Perfect.

>>212571528
Rei is not even a character, she's an automaton. Asuka is a human being with flaws, ideas, dreams, traits, and so on.

>>212571528
>Rei is an object of lust.
She's a clone of his mother. That removes all lust and just makes Shinji want her to take care of and be nice to him.

>>212571317
>Anyone who argues against Instrumentality and prefers the idea of accepting pain with life is retarded as hell
Child of adam-spawn hands typed this. They want you to go back in the egg.

>>212570674
the rejection of instrumentality is proof of the mandate god has give for the jewish people to rule over the goyim.

>>212571615
again, instrumentality is literally just tikkun olam, which is the end goal of Jewish religion. they see the world and humanity as something inherently and fundamentally flawed/broken, and seek to repair it by reuniting us with the godhead. ruling over the goyim is not the actual goal, but just a means to this end.

>>212572153
This is completely wrong. Tikkun olam is more like just trying to get the world to a state of perfection, it's nothing like instrumentality. And Jews do not see the world and humanity as something fundamentally flawed, that's Christianity. Nor do Jews all want to reunite with God, in fact plenty of Jews (including the famous Sadducees) did not believe in an afterlife at all, again that's primarily Christians or could even be extended to other religions including Islam.

>>212561991 (OP)
Instrumentality is bad because we're not all gonna fit into the car. Only enough room for me and Misato.

>>212572215
>Tikkun olam is more like just trying to get the world to a state of perfection, it's nothing like instrumentality. And Jews do not see the world and humanity as something fundamentally flawed
in sanitized, modern versions of Judaism yes, but in more esoteric Kabbalist meaning, it is very much like instrumentality. our reality is a result of shevirat hakeilim, literally the breaking of the vessels - the failure of creation to hold the divine light. in this myth, creation itself is a catastrophic event resulting in a flawed reality which tikkun olam seeks to repair.
humanity in its instrumentality state in Eva becomes Adam Kadmon, "The Most High Man", a divine light without vessels. Adam Kadmon is also associated with yechidah, literally meaning unity or singularity. Adam Kadmon is the divine form of Man as opposed to Adam Ha-Rishon, or just Adam as most people know it, the physical, separated form of man.

>>212571557
i hate retards like you

>>212572679
...it's true? Did you not pay attention?

>>212563150
>>212563209
>>212564118
interesting that this is also the villains plan in annos Shin Kamen Rider and its objectively a bad thing, maybe this is a running theme of his.

>>212572784
webm not related

>>212563317
>mortality and therefore morality is not relevant.
What kind of pseudbabble is this? Morality is not dependent on mortality. It is only.dependent on humans interacting

>>212572975
hes probably suggesting in the soul state theres no morals but that still doesnt make any sense. And thats gnosticism for you, it doesnt make sense but its interesting to pseuds who want reality to be warhammer 40k or an anime.

>>212573010
Isnt gnosticism just an excuse to torture people you dont like

>>212573110
Gnosticism is the most evil belief system known to man. It is the idea that the material and spiritual worlds are entirely separate, and that the material world is irredeemably fallen, while the spiritual world is perfect. Suicide and murder become a moral imperative. Paganism is better than this even though it has its own flaws. Islam is similar because Islam was founded by a guy who was previously a gnostic (hence why they deny Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, ancient gnostics did that too). Jewish Gnosticism pre-dates Christianity although it appears to have been most popular after Christianity's appearance, but that doesn't mean that ancient Jews were all Gnostics like the anon above suggested, it was always fringe and dangerous.

>>212572787
>maybe this is a running theme of his
for sure, he's obviously a deeply existential person. I wouldn't be surprised if he experienced an ego death on psychedelics that was powerful and scared him off the idea of ego-less existence. of course I have no real evidence and people will call me schizo for insinuating it, but the fact that psilocybin was legal and readily available in Japan until the early 2000s, and the amount of psychedelic imagery in Eva, makes me think it's a strong possibility.

>>212573271
That sounds pretty cool. I imagine Gnostic resurgence was due to having to deal with all the worthless slave moralists

SEELE just wants everyone to be happy and fed.

>>212573557
Gnostic texts were deliberately esoteric and secretive, and Christians destroyed many of them due to the danger they posed, so the real answer isn't known. My personal belief is that pagan mystery cults experienced a sudden loss of popularity and power when Christianity began taking over pagan regions, and they attempted to convert their hold on power and esoteric knowledge into the knew belief system.

>>212573271
>that doesn't mean that ancient Jews were all Gnostics like the anon above suggested, it was always fringe and dangerous.
I'm the guy who was talking about Kabbalah/tikkun. I didn't mean to suggest *all* Jews were gnostics/kabbalists, obviously there are different interpretations and views. but the gnostic/kabbalistic interpretation is clearly the most relevant to Evangelion and specifically the concept of instrumentality, which has a lot in common with the kabbalistic concepts of sefirot / Adam / yechidah. not saying that's the only or even the most common form of Judaism, but if Anno was influenced by anything, it was that.

>>212573760
Fair enough. Eva is definitely quite gnostic, instrumentality could certainly be viewed as shedding the flawed material world to return to the perfect spiritual realm. In reality, the entirety of humanity was murdered by a misanthropic suicidal boy, and they're happy about it, it's the perfect gnostic fairy tale.

Rejection of morality is the real red pill

>>212561991 (OP)
Because the creator had depression

>>212573110
>gnosticism just an excuse to torture people you dont like
Close, it's an excuse to be a degenerate and say it's cool because you're revolting against god.
It's basically main character syndrome as a religion.

I mean this unironically, and maybe I’m just misunderstanding it, but if Gnostics see the material world as evil why don’t they just all suicide and be done with it?

>>212574470
its actually the grey pill.
also, Rei best waifu

>>212574710
>if Gnostics see the material world as evil why don’t they just all suicide and be done with it
There's a reason trannies ack themselves so much, their entire worldview is basically just bastardized, secular gnosticism.

>>212563385
moot is faggot
tr/a/nny is faggot
just ignore them and go cinema or horror generals
4chan will be hispanic tranimeshitter domain website at least within 3 years
there's reason why god separated ethnics through entire world, there's reason why globehomo let spamflood brown pedrojeets to angloworld

>>212574815
Do gnostics ACK themselves too?

>>212574710
>>212574815
>>212574907
They literally do. The largest modern Gnostic cult committed mass suicide, they were called Heaven's Gate, look it up.

>>212573977
>In reality, the entirety of humanity was murdered by a misanthropic suicidal boy
well, to be fair he was really just an unwitting pawn in SEELE's game, he didn't know any of that was going to happen. and when he did clue in what was going on, he gave people a choice to reject it.

it's a similar story to Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka funnily enough, which also has heavy gnostic undertones, albeit much more subtle than Eva. but Charlie in that movie is a similar character to Shinji - where all the other kids blame Wonka for what happens to them as a result of their actions and reject his creation (the chocolate factory), Charlie accepts it as his own fault and embraces Wonka's world, much like Shinji embraces individuality even after all the pain it causes him. they're both stories that are rooted in Gnosticism, but ultimately seem to reject the notion that creation is evil.

>>212574710
You can't just "choose" to commit suicide, free will is a myth.

I've put a loaded shotgun in my mouth safety off literally dozens of times but I can't will my finger to move one iota to depress the trigger. I try but my hand wont move. Free will does not exist, some scientist in the 80s proved it in that experiment
that your brain only registers your body moving a nano second after you already moved.

People who are able to commit suicide have the right mix of brain chemicals in that moment that allows them to actually do it. I guess I don't and a lot of other people don't either

>>212574926
Holy kek wut da

https://www.heavensgate.com/misc/member.htm

>>212565784
>Idris Elba is Shinji
This just got me thinking of Pacific rim lol

>>212571405
Good evening Ms. Soryu

>>212575014
>brain only registers your body moving a nano second after you already moved
To move (non autonomically) you have to visualize which is basically the same process as doing it but with inhibition so its not so much a decision to.do.it as a decision to stop yourself.from.not.doing it.
So.the neurons for.doing it are pre activated, unleashed and then your rational brain creates a post hoc.delusion

>>212561991 (OP)
It's not. That's the point.

>>212573977
>reality, the entirety of humanity was murdered by a misanthropic suicidal boy,
That's be far more interesting, seeing an abused boy in a godlike mech exacting revenge on the world by violently terrorizing what's left
Rei would be kept alive because he did feel something for her

>>212575403
It is. You missed the point.

>>212575510
That's the story happening in Akira with Tetsuo

>>212575526
Holy shit I can't believe I'm posting on a board full of people who actually unironically don't get a children's cartoon about giant robots beating up aliens. The instrumentality is an evil conspiracy by a bunch of old men scared to face up to reality. The good ending is Shinji rejecting the instrumentality and choosing to accept himself even though it hurts. This isn't subtle, the show is very in your face with it.

>People ITT would rather have a life of pain because of the idea there's some happiness over a hive mind of bliss
You all need to get your skulls bashed in

>>212575913
The idea of lowering our walls, letting everyone in, being laid bare and completely vulnerable is absolutely terrifying to many. AT Field to Maximum!

>>212573977
>>212575526
Shinji firmly rejects instrumentality, and that point is hammered home even further in the rebuilds. The ending of rebuild is basically Anno hitting you over the head with a stick telling you "stop being a mosanthropic loser and embrace life you nerd", apparent because of people like you.

>>212576213
only meant for >>212575526
didn't mean to quote both those posts

>>212575089
This is a great doc on them.
https://youtu.be/1vLzAGA0t70?si=-G598WU9icPsnV1F

>>212575210
This is kind of a match made in heaven given Asuka likes them older and more distinguished...

>>212561991 (OP)
it isn't

>>212575670
Happened with Tetsuo in Tetsuo: The Iron Man as well.

>>212563457
I'm friends with a hot zoomer girl into Eva (I'm also technically a zoomer but an older one on the cusp of millenial) and she is pretty based, great taste in media and she's racist which is a plus. also has bright red hair and Asuka was my first crush so there's that. I'm pretty sure she likes me but we live in different cities so I only see her like once a year, alas it was not meant to be.
thanks for reading my blog.

>>212574710
Because they don't really believe the shit they spew. They just want you to believe it so you can drown yourself in degeneracy.

>>212571557
lol

>>212579524
>pretty based, great taste in media and she's racist
>has bright red hair
>I'm pretty sure she likes me but we live in different cities so I only see her like once a year, alas it was not meant to be.
God, that's rough.
My last GF (who was the only one I've had so far), was similar. She was a pale-skinned Alt girl of Anglo extraction with some of the best natural D-cup tits I've ever seen and a nice, above average ass that had a perfect heart shape to it. She had dyed dark red hair and went for a bit of a Makima look, though she had freckles and glasses (which were icing on the cake for me given I'm Scottish).
Anyway, I met her because then she was the on/off GF of my charmingly airheaded blond female coworker, and I initially liked her for her great looks (she was 8.5/10 imo). But then I sent her picrel and simply asked "do you like anime?", and we really hit it off after that. She had grown up in Chicago and never went trick or treating or outside much as a kid, so when her Dad moved to Minnesota after divorcing her psycho Mom as a young teen she fell in love with the outdoors, and especially got into Goth/Post-Punk shit, metal, horror, and edgy anime/manga (she particularly loved Ito and Uzumaki). She was bi with a strong preference for other White girls given she was somewhat traumatized by her psychotic brother and upbringing dealing with Blacks in Chicago, and I related given I grew up poor and was born in an urban jungle too (West Phoenix and El Mirage area). We were both 100% on the same page (she even wanted to get back into Catholicism given I'm religious), and those few months we were together were magical.
Sadly, she broke up with me because I didn't really know where to take the relationship given I was planning on being in the FFL for 5 years (though suddenly right before I also moved back to AZ with my family where I am now).
The memories are priceless though. She's been with a good friend of mine since, and are a very happy couple.

You guys didn't get the memo? Eva is over.
Shinji won. Just touch grass and wait for a waifu to drop from the sky onto you, unless you're a delusional asukek.
Rebuilds are canon btw.

>>212573305
>I wouldn't be surprised if he experienced an ego death on psychedelics that was powerful and scared him off the idea of ego-less existence
I think it had a lot more to do with him losing his mind and being pushed to the brink of sanity by the late 80s/early 90s due to how much stress and strain animating megakino by hand had placed on him. He famously conceived Evangelion while on the brink of suicide, and many have wondered if Gendo is supposed to represent Miyazaki or other influential figures in the anime industry during that time he worked under given Shinji is his self-insert.
It also explains how much he desperately tried to break out of the mold of EVA after making EoE and seriously attempted to become a serious live-action filmmaker, with mixed results ranging from megakino like Shin Godzilla and Love and Pop to irredeemable dogshit shit like Cutie Honey.
I also accept the popular interpretation of the Rebuilds as being him sort of giving a middle finger to Weebs that pidgeonholed him as "the EVA guy" by turning EVA into ultracommercialized shonenslop.

>>212582246
>I think it had a lot more to do with him losing his mind and being pushed to the brink of sanity by the late 80s/early 90s due to how much stress and strain animating megakino by hand had placed on him. He famously conceived Evangelion while on the brink of suicide, and many have wondered if Gendo is supposed to represent Miyazaki or other influential figures in the anime industry during that time he worked under given Shinji is his self-insert.
yeah that makes a lot of sense. like I said, I have no real evidence that he did psychedelics other than a hunch and the fact that shrooms were legal in Japan around that time. Evangelion is probably the closest on-screen representation of my own psychedelic experiences, but I'll admit that's a bit of projection on my end. in any case, even if he did experiment with them at some point, it certainly wasn't the only influence on the show, he's clearly grappled with depression and existentialism his whole life and his time in the industry must have exacerbated that.
>with mixed results ranging from megakino like Shin Godzilla and Love and Pop
I haven't seen Love and Pop, thanks for mentioning that I'll check it out. also been meaning to watch Shin Kamen Rider, it's been sitting on my harddrive for a couple months.
cont in another post cause I sperg out about Eva and hit the character limit..

>>212582246
>I also accept the popular interpretation of the Rebuilds as being him sort of giving a middle finger to Weebs that pidgeonholed him as "the EVA guy" by turning EVA into ultracommercialized shonenslop.
that's interesting, I'm not so sure though. maybe to an extent but I more get the feeling that he was pressured into making them and just didn't have a creative spark while working on them - he spoke pretty openly about having depression and writer's block in the time between 3.0 and 3.0+1.0, which was why there was such a gap between those films and the original plans for 3.0+1.0 were scrapped. he claimed to get his spark back around the time of Shin Godzilla and the final release of 3.0+1.0, which I think you can definitely see reflected in the latter, which imo is much stronger thematically than any of the previous Rebuild movies. there is definitely an aspect of that movie that is taking the piss out of weebs and the commercialization of the franchise, but I'm not sure if that was the intent going into the series as a whole as much as something that developed while he was making them and realizing that he was making a soulless cash grab in the midst of it.

>>212582602
also to expand on that
I think with the criticism of weebs and commercialization in the last Rebuild, he was taking the piss out of himself as much as his audience. because he wasn't happy with the way that the first 3 Rebuilds went and regretted that he made them without a strong vision.

>>212563209
You could think of it this way, that part of you that really likes to fish, that’s another person, and the one that hates broccoli? Another. Every single thought you ever had a different person. But obviously on a scale 5 billion larger. It gets so muddled that there’s no longer a distinction between who’s who

Pros are you become a transcendent life form living in forced harmony for eternity, but you also have no purpose, no reason to exist at all.

>>212575210
>the Asukatect

Evangeleon like all anime is just legalised pedoshit. The guy was depressed about missing out on pussy and romance in his childhood so he wrote a manga about himself being a hero getting revenge/laid on the women that spurned him

Obviously Asuka is based on some popular girl from his school that he revenge porned by having her break down and he dependent on him in the story, Rei is the typical incel fantasy of a woman who literally only exists to please you. And misato clearly mommy issues from his strained upbringing

Dudes a hack, it’s just isnt about depression trauma and accepting yourself. it’s about a lonely, sexually frustrated man building a sandbox where all the girls that ignored, rejected, or didn’t exist for him are suddenly orbiting his broken teenage self. it’s wish fulfillment dressed in existential dread.

>>212582832
Nice spacing, plebbit. Go back

Anno is my Warwick.

>>212563317
Nihilist themes are for evil low IQ retards looking to mask their sadistic, whiny hedonism with the shallow affectation of human dignity.

>>212582857
Newfag

>>212574710
There isn't really a unified Gnostic cosmology like with the conventional Christian denominations, "Gnostic" is more like a convenient label that is then distinguished between sects such as the Sethians, Valentinians, Basilideans, Jeuians; so on and so forth.

I recently learned about the Jeu variant of Gnostic cosmology and it reads like an extra autistic power scaling system that you'd encounter in a biblically-themed cultivation novel or something

stuff is wack

https://sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff68.htm

>>212582832
yeah dude Shinji is some real manly hero character

retard

>>212583671
>literally the only person in the world that can save humanity
>he via ReiLilith allows humanity to reject instrumentality
>not the hero
Kay

>>212583748
not saying he isn't the hero of the story he just isn't a typical hero. he also doesn't get any of the girls until the very end of rebuild. he's obviously Anno's self insert character, but if it was just for the sake of a power fantasy then he would have come out looking a lot more like a typical shonen protagonist. there's a reason there are so many memes about Shinji being a pussy, even though I don't necessarily agree with that, he is far from the shonen hero archetype.
and yeah the show obviously draws from his experiences as a teenager, that's a pivotal time of development in your life and the things you go through during that time don't stop mattering as an adult, it's not a bad thing to look back and do some analysis. and this is reflected in the adult characters of the show too, who underneath their facade of maturity and still very much like the children underneath. it's hardly pedoshit when Shinji doesn't get laid at all during the whole series. it's just a look at teenage relationships, which are a normal part of people's lives and only weirdos like you make it out to be some sexually deviant shit (which Anno criticizes in the subtext of the show, the point of characters like Asuka and Rei is that you are a fucking weirdo if you fetishize them, which he knew people would, because they are broken people with highly dysfunctional relationships to Shinji). this is all spelled out pretty explicitly in the end of the rebuilds where Anno basically tells you directly to stop lusting after Asuka, grow up, get over your arrested development and get an adult gf. with Asuka in that story being literally stuck as a perpetual teenager and Shinji rejecting her.

The world is already destroyed. Rejecting Instrumentality just means a slow death starving in the wasteland

>>212563209
Yes but there isn't any you anymore. You're all one big thing. You are just as much the person with the embarassing secret as you are yourself.

What we see in the show is the process of everyone merging, so there's still some individuality and seperation that's being broken down. Shinji decides to back out before he fully dissolves into it, as does Asuka. The crazy psychological montages we see are everyones minds melting into each other so they can see each others thoughts and feelings, without fully losing their borders yet. So you're really tuned into the thoughts and feelings of people you actually know and have relationships with, because you're still yourself enough to reach out more through the melting barriers of those people rather than random strangers.

>>212564164
The resulting being remembers exactly what both groups believed and how they felt about what they believed simultaneously. It doesn't necessarily have much of its own opinion on the matter because human ideologies are based on the whole dynamic of the seperation between individuals.

Quick reminder that Evangelion's real background is the psychology of Alfred Adler and the main characters are based on his list of personality types created by feelings of inferiority (leaning, avoiding, dominating).

His ideas about birth order are also present although really just for decoration (first child, second child etc). In the episode where Shinji (avoiding) runs away, Misato is basically quoting Adler throughout which has confused people since as the point being made is fairly nuanced (he is so avoidant he won't even do people the service of properly running away).

Adler has always been more popular in Japan than Freud and that the reverse is true here has been absolute disaster for the west. Adler is pragmatic and sensible in my view where Freud et al are being fucking weirdos.

Its basically textbook throughout, if you're going on about gnostic cosmology you've missed the point.

When young people think Evangelion is speaking to them its hardly fucking surprising therefore. If you are interested a popular introduction to Adler in Japan was "The courage to be disliked" which you can get in English.

>Dude you understand everyone's thoughts and feelings, lmao
Why do I want to understand the feelings of some serial killer, or pedophile who likes raping children, or some executive suit who's excessively greedy? Those seem like awful people who's thoughts and feelings are just pure immorality? Especially if they enjoy being pieces of shit?

Instrumentality is already on the shaky basis everyone is just an innocent, hurting soul when in reality there's just some truly vile, depraved fuckers out there

>>212585231
You don't want to understand why any of those found themselves how they Are?
There's unironically no such thing as evil you're literally judging these three on subjective moral values instilled by people who are just as bad

>>212561991 (OP)
Anime goes in >>>/trash/
You're welcome

It removes the pain that always comes with meeting new people, but it's the gay safe option, and Shinji was a chad.

Shinji was a baka.

>>212561991 (OP)
Because it forces people with antisocial behavior to show others what their behavior is doing to themself and others and it helps them with their existentialism. It helps them to express their feelings to the people close to them. Shinji doesn’t see the memory and feelings of everyone only people he loves. It helps them see their flaws. That’s why on the beach they realize how awful and stupid they were for misunderstanding each other and how it lead to them pushing each other away

>>212567349
The LCL wasn’t the heaven that was the black moon which all the souls ended up in. The LCL is the DNA biomass for humans

>>212568144
No fuck you

>>212563049
They aren’t dead though what does death mean to you?

>>212585152
I think it is a mix of both. Freud also leans heavily into thinking every instinct and subconscious thought is driven by sex. Like object oriented and person oriented ideas

>>212581427
Rebuilds are not canon

>>212578516
What is she fishing for in that lake? The lochness monster?

Literally anyone who wouldn't want instrumentality is unironically evil, you want pain and emotional harm. The concept instrumentality proposes is a utopian ideal, peace on earth and total paradise
What kind of sadistic brainlet do you have to be to think that's a bad thing? Individuality is the greatest evil to ever exist

>>212561991 (OP)
I don't remember much, what was SEELE's motive and intention for the instrumentality? I remember it's something about being immortal but wouldn't they be just part of the same conscious blob with the rest of humanity or they had a plan or something to separate themselves from the rest?

>>212586759
So you are saying Adam and Eve should have never ate the fruit and they are all evil? Without them doing that we wouldn’t exist

What did she mean by this?

>>212586847
Should have invited Rei to come live with them

>>212586871
Rei is property of NERV and Gendo needed her to be alone so he could manipulate instrumentality

>>212586783
>So you are saying Adam and Eve should have never ate the fruit and they are all evil?
Yes, read the actual Bible you complete moron, they had it so good, literal Paradise but they went and fucked it all up for everyone
Uniformity is the ideal, individuality is a blight that needs to be stomped out and exterminated which is the central premise as to why SEELE does what they do - they see the blight that is being an individualist

>>212586753
Megalodons

>>212586847
Misato-mommy promised they'd do the rest when she came back. She keeps her promises, so she's not dead.

>>212586900
how'd that work out for him?

>>212586772
?

>>212586981
It just goes to show, you can have all the intelligence in the world but still have no common sense.

>>212586913
They didn’t fuck it all up for everyone because there was only Adam Eve and Lilith. If they never ate that fruit we wouldn’t exist you fucking pleb

This is a Rei board

>>212586981
It was going smoothly until his dumb faggot son came along and made her smile

>>212572975
Sin leads to death and the knowledge of death leads to more sin

>>212587071
>Lilith
Literally a whore who decided to spite Adam by fucking Lucifer

>>212586967
>promised
She already offered a pity fuck.

>>212587080
Gendo must have gotten pissy that Rei unambiguously developed romantic feelings for Shinji in the manga.
It's a bit more complex and multi faceted in the show

>>212586772
It was in the Dead Sea Scrolls. They're doing their part to fulfill God's will and plan. They must prevent the Angels from taking over and instead fulfill mankind's transformation to one being. They're not trying to rule over everyone nor remain separate

>>212587071
>If they never ate that fruit we wouldn’t exist you fucking pleb
Exactly. They fucked it all up.

>>212561991 (OP)
to make the biggest orgy of humans and rei clones also free orange juice

>>212587161
So you don’t want to exist got it. Kill yourself then, kindly.

>>212587116
Actually...according to Enoch she banged/married Samael who, in some texts is considered to be the true father of demons and leader of Fallen Angels, except his crime was far more different than Lucifer's

The idea Samael is Satan's original name is actually a far newer idea, some trains if thought consider him even worse than Lucifer

>>212586759
its not individuality its conflict and chaos

>>212587201
We'd have still existed eventually, just not as our disgusting, fucked up selves

>>212587218
>consider him even worse than Lucifer
How?

>>212587265
That’s the fucking point, we are flawed and sinful and we learn from it. Without that we have nothing to reflect on numbnuts

>>212587302
See? Shitty people like you wouldn't exist if they hadn't fucked up. We'd be better off.

>>212587218
>she banged/married Samael
Did they bang then marry or did they fuck around in depravity and got hitched on a whim?
I need to know what level of whore we're talking about to be properly disgusted

I would choke Asuka on the beach

Mmm Misato

>>212561991 (OP)
the evas are representative of shy children unable to face their lives head on, their human selves are basically them on the inside but when they're inside the eva its like they truly operating outside of their own minds and in reality.

this is literally a teenager's 'its time to take control'

>>212591373
Only Shinji is shy. Asuka is the opposite of Shy. Rei is not anything, since she's just a doll

>>212592174
asuka has childhood trauma, she clearly doesn't behave as her true self because that 'confidence' is a guise to mask her weakness. rei isn't even like a real person - she has to become one.

shyness was just generally blanketing the whole of them not able to live face to face with everyone else in the world. they're within themselves to a certain degree

>>212578516

Boys want me
Angels fear me
no Mass Production Unit dare make a sound in my presence
I am alone in this lush Geofront

>>212563209
>fuck here comes Steve, did you see that guys fetish. Facesitting, disgusting.
>ATLEAST I DONT SEARCH UP PUFFY NIPPLES YOU DEGERATE FAGGOTS!

>>212563307
>kind of but those also become your fetishes
Great pedos get tang'd and suddenly you become a pedo too. Sounds shitty.

>>212592259
yeah the hoe that has to stand on top of things, screaming her lungs out and demands attention without any filter is super shy

>>212592495
They're literally in the tang touching the tanged kids 24/7 and there's nothing you can do about it

>>212592569
Oh yeah?!? Well I'm calling the tang'd cops! They better hope I can't get a hold of tang'd Chris Hanson!

I'd have crushed the SEELE kikes and start the far superior Human Asstrumentality Project

>>212564262
But what if one consciousness pool is water based and the other is oil based?

Is there a symbolic reason Shinji is shown naked in front of so many clothed female characters the show and games? Shinji ended up completely naked in front of Misato in the anime and in front of Asuka and other girls in the games.

>>212592722
Two twos for two cheeks

>>212592742
Being naked around "family" members is not that big a deal. Misato is his mother role so it's played as a joke with Misato. With Asuka it's because Shinji is timid and so easy to terrify and embarass, but also piss off Asuka for him being naked around her even if unintentional.

>>212580451
>someone took the time to make this retard shit

>>212593082
But Mana from the Girlfriend of Steel game saw Shinji naked as well

>>212593225
It's a bait post big guy
>>212592722
>Human Asstrumentality Project
Based nigga
>>212592405
>The Fish and I Have Entered an Uneasy Alliance Against Angels
>>212591373
>representative of shy children
Shinji is the depressed shy one. Asuka is an egomaniacal BPD nutjob while Rei is shell-schocked to the point of being near-catatonic.

>>212592550
use your remaining brain cells and learn to read you fent folder

>>212593511
It was for lack of a better word - just know its some kind of 'off' children who aren't facing their current circumstances directly.

I get they're fictional characters.. but real people watch this and it has a message beyond their character backgrounds. its for kids to learn how to face the world directly

jerked it to a few eva doujins. denkishi or something was the author. I'll take recs for others if you have em

>>212593826
They made a hentai video of it using the same exact artstyle and animation back when it was on the air

>>212575913
>bro just surrender your own will and merge with my consciousness just deny your own personhood please bro it's for your own good please you need to do this it's for you not for me you subhuman
lmao no, nigger

>>212594843
Aw cmon man, it's not so bad. I took a shower in preparation and everything

>>212593712
>its for kids to learn how to face the world directly
There's that angle too (which Anno himself intended), but there's also an anti-war element to it that I can't really tell is intentional or not given the strong Gundam influence. It seems to be arguing against conscription and militarism more broadly, arguing its case by throwing emotionally and mentally unstable teenagers unsure of who they are into the meatgrinder of an unwinnable apocalyptic war at the behest of a group of shadowy, old elites who profit off the war and are implied to be instigating the conflict themselves.

>>212574008
>juuushiiii na pati no yooo niiiii
>shoooonen yo hambaaagaaaaa ni nareeeeeeeee

Am I right in assuming that /tv/ doesn't know what a gestalt consciousness is?

>>212595554
>FLY ME TO THE MOON

>>212594484
Wasn't that made by fucking Studio I.G. themselves?

>>212595612
>Am I right in assuming that /tv/ doesn't know
Given Boomers and Jeets are the plurality of this board, that's a fair assumption (though there are a ton of /lit/ and /his/ fags like you and me that do).

>>212561991 (OP)
I hated this anime. It was unbelievable bad.
Shinji was a horrible protag. I wanted him to fucking die
The clone bitch was boring as shit and only made to jerk off to
The red head was cool and made to jerk off too
The father refused to be animated and didnt do jack shit
The Science bitch was boring and made for Kojima to jerk off too
The other bitch with the red jacket was ok
Nobody was intrested in this show. The fights were nothing.
Whats the point of this show?
>ohh it gets all kino and shit at the end
oh fuck that. It wasn't insightful at all.

>>212595721
Surely /v/ would understand the concept of the hive mind? It's all over vidya.

>>212595677
stuff my face with beef,
and let me chew forevermore,
hamburger's all I long for,
ketchup, mustard, cheese galore

>>212595771
>Whats the point of this show?

>>212595954
>angryflower
>preaches gnosticism
Was this the inspiration for Undertale?

>>212596497
Didn't play your tranny game, faggot.

>>212595786
>understand the concept of the hive mind
They do, they just don't understand them fancy words for it we do.

>>212596953
I never played that gay shit either, I was just a kid when it was massive and retards obsessed with it were unavoidable; so I know everything about it from osmosis.

>>212579524
brutal, im married to a girl whose been neurotically reading manga on her phone while pregnant for weeks now

>>212563289
Did you choke her?

>>212597209
>I was just a kid when-
Grim.

>>212597537
>Grim
You have no idea how insufferable young Undertale fans were back in the day. I was knee-deep wading through that shit every day of my life from 2015-16.

>>212561991 (OP)
It's like forced touch grass, go outside and talk to people.

>>212598266
That terrifies me!!

>>212592174
Rei is being exploited for Gendo's own vision of Instrumentality. She rejects him

>>212573760
Just as it pertains to judaism fyi any jews that are in a "chabbad" synagogue are kabbalistic jews who use the Zohar. The Zohar/Sohar book is shared by freemasons, jews, jesuits, gnostics alike as the baseline guide to kabbala so lots of judaism practicers wont talk about it or they willl hide behind the more accepted books like mishnah and gamera but if they even are loosely associated with "chabbad" thats the dead ringer. Just figured id share what i learned.

>>212562900
>>HUHHUR DUUUR I CRY LIKE A FAGGOT ALL DAY THEREFORE ALL THE PLANET SHOULD COME TO AN END SO NOBODY FEELS ANYTHING!
It's the adults who want and cause Instrumentality you fucking moron, the whole point is that all the adults couldn't cope with the human condition or take responsibility for all their mistakes and would rather dissolve into a hivemind of tang than have to keep living in the real world. The whole point is that Shinji rejects this and chooses to live in the real world no matter how painful it is.
>>212561991 (OP)
>>212562976
>>212563317
you didn't understand it at all. You're supposed to think Instrumentality would be really fucking bad, because it is. The reason why Kom Susser Tod even plays while it happens - a song lyrically about suicide - is to beat you over the head with this point. Instrumentality is not actually people becoming gods and defeating the Angels or escaping into a utopia or something, it's basically a mass self-deletion where they stop being human and lose all individuality. It's a giant metaphor for someone with depression an hero-ing literally or spiritually by deciding to run away from the world forever and permanently descend into escapism rather than choosing to accept and face the real mortal world like Shinji does.
>>212567349
>And Gendo thinks it would reunite him with his dead wife
you don't actually see wtf Gendo's plan in full even was until the Rebuilds, he doesn't get a chance to go through with it in EoE so you're just left wondering what he was even doing and think he was on the same side as SEELE but he wasn't quite.
>>212569855
>>212571615
>>212572215
you're retarded and didn't understand it, the other anon is right. You're a gnostic retard so you think Instrumentality is escaping the demiurge's prison. SEELE are pretty obviously an evil cabal and rejecting Instrumentality is clearly correct.
>>212573271
this, gnosticism is like buddhism in that it's just Suicidal Depression: The Religion

>>212573305
I definitely relate to what youre saying. In Shin Kamen Rider at least they clarify the soul chamber where everyone would be merged together in was run by a pained evil villain and the bad part of it is no control over emotions so you would be feeling constant torture and pain of others with little relief. I think the term ego death is used too often and has lost some meaning but ive definitelly been stuck on bad trips with negative groups of people and I imagine hes saying it would be like that but just forever and unending.

>>212573977
>n reality, the entirety of humanity was murdered by a misanthropic suicidal boy, and they're happy about it, it's the perfect gnostic fairy tale.
Shinji isn't the one who causes Instrumentality to happen you dumbfuck, you didn't understand the plot at all. It was all SEELE/Gendo's doing, it's rejecting Instrumentality that is Shinji's descision, the rest of humanity except him, Asuka and anybody else who rejected it offscreen al lstay in the orange slop

>>212599072
>where they stop being human and lose all individuality
Individuality is bad. It's what causes pain, suffering, violence and hate. Together we all become the ultimate human and no one feels bad.

Is there a significant difference between instrumentality and futurists' singularity?
>its literally a giant singularity in EoE
I am guessing futurists are either hiding this or in denial of what their scheme ends at.
>you will live to see the day NGE is spammed by chatbots to promote a techno-oligarchy under the guise of transcendental communist gnosticism
Already begun?

Also kek at the guy helping explain how to kys to the other guy a third of the way through like it was a math equation he solved.

>>212599303
>having the strength of ten billion retards ensures you won't be retarded
Not sure about that, but could do

>>212587072
fat Rei?
>>212592722
AI Rei?
cringe

>>212599303
>Individuality is bad. It's what causes pain, suffering, violence and hate.

>“But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.'
>'In fact,' said Mustapha Mond, 'you're claiming the right to be unhappy.'
>'All right then,' said the Savage defiantly, 'I'm claiming the right to be unhappy.'
>'Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat; the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen tomorrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind.' There was a long silence.
>'I claim them all,' said the Savage at last.
> - Brave New World, Aldous Huxley

>>212563528
>>212564323
Kill yourself namefag.

>>212599563
And then the Savage hanged himself in the end and the world went on with its business.

>>212599563
He speaks like a man expecting to never acrually get the worst of those and just have them inflicted on others. While he himself enjoys the actual benefits of life.

>>212599667
you misunderstood why the novel ended like that and why he an hero-d. It was because he was trying to live out his own philosophy of enduring pain by flagellating himself on the island but then even this was able to be subsumed by the Brave New Worldians and used as a source of hedonistic entertainment; even his own counter-philosophy and attempts at rebelling against the system get used as just another spectacle that the npc humans form a celebratory orgy around. He kills himself because of the despair of realizing that the Brave New World is so devoid of a soul or any philosophical underpinnings and that the system is so all-encompassing at that point: human nature had already been phased out and it was too late so the only way out as a final fuck you was to self-delete. Brave New World - like 1984 whose own similar downer ending is directly inspired by it - is a cautionary tale that isn't so much as about a contest of philosophies and a struggle against a system as it is about the futile last stand of a man in a world where the philosophical struggle is already over. It's supposed to be just terrifying and make you want our real world to not end up like that. The whole point is that it's supposed to inspire you to go 'ok well fuck that depressing shit' and choose to fight and live in the real world and prevent the ultimate collectivization and npc-ification of humanity from ever happening, like Shinji does when he rejects Instrumentality.

The reason you have such a visceral reaction to this message and are trying to reach and bend it to be where Instrumentality is good ackshually is because you recognize on some level that you implicity relate and identify with the Brave New Worldians yourself already because of how your own real life is now, like how libtards identify with the alien insects in Starship Troopers. You know the plot of Eva and BNW is calling you out for running away from your real life so you're going 'I want to be goyslop ackshually'

>>212599784
anon, John the Savage in BNW is one of the 'savage humans' who grows up on a Savage Reservation where the old world diseased humans live basically like native american tribesmen in abject poverty while the Brave New Worldians live in a 'perfect' futuristic society. He already experienced a life of suffering before he gives this response to Mond (the World Controller who is about to ship him off to a prison island for causing social unrest amongst the npcs). Read the book.

>>212600056
that's a lot of words
too bad I won't read them

Alex Jones explained it all.
SEELE didn't believe that humanity could better themselves or contend with their own nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doh2LzWkxFU
Gendo himself was just nihilisticly selfish and destructive. He wanted to be in control of Instrumentality so he could be with his wife again, to pin all his happiness on another person, the rest of humanity be damned. He really is just like Shinji come to think of it, he couldn't stand himself and wanted to use another person for comfort like Shinji wanted to with Asuka.

>>212599072
>You're supposed to think Instrumentality would be really fucking bad
Of course I think it's bad retard, that's what I'm arguing. I'm just explaining it to the other retards itt.

>>212600206
you are an npc and the show you are a fan of is literally not for you. You don't understand the show that you like and are just using it for shallow reasons. You are the anime fan equivalent of one of those girls that wears a Joy Division t-shirt without ever having actually listened to the album.

>>212599509
Fat Rei= nigger
AI Rei= jeet

>>212592731
Water and oil can't mix. In this case, orange juice can mix with other orange juice.

>>212592742
>s there a symbolic reason Shinji is shown naked in front of so many clothed female characters the show and games?
It's awkward and also is supposed to reference military life where people are naked often.
>t. tried to join the FFL