Why is this shit take so common? Especially amongst people who constantly harp about media literacy.

Batman Begins is better. That's all I'm entering this thread to say.

It does the Bush era neocon world view where no one is safe from terrorists and only total surveillance by rich elites can protect us.

>>212582842 (OP)
Bruce Wayne is a privileged white male, if he were a minority he wouldn't be able to get away with being a vigilante.

>>212582842 (OP)
>patriot act surveillance is bad, but it's ok if we only use it once

>>212582842 (OP)
I don't think your claim holds any validity. The ones who harp on about media literacy are cleaely the ones who would refute that statement.

>>212582842 (OP)
You had to be there,
>>212582877
would be plainly obvious if you had

>>212582877
>only total surveillance
It's not portayed as a noble action. It was there to schowcase how desperation can make even the dark knight resort to desperate measures. It's only because Batman is akin to a philosopher king (Cincinnatus) that he voluntarily gives up that power(unlike say julius caesar).

>>212582932
>desperate action
>spends years building the infrastructure to spy on everyone and smuggle the capabilities in every Wayne Enterprises product before there even was a threat

>>212582842 (OP)
Because mass surveillance helps stop the bad guy (even though it’s emphasized how dangerous this is and they destroy it later). People and especially Twitter leftists are retarded and make arguments in bad faith to sound smart

>>212583075
It's never mentioned he spent years on it.

>>212583123
So you expect him to sell devices with spy hardware in them to every one in Gotham in a single day?

A tangerine

>>212583155
No. The device taps into regular phones and uses them as Sonar.

>>212583232
That's not how regular phones work.

>>212583253
Yes it is

>>212583253
It's magic capeshit(capekino in this instance) tech. Most if not all of Batman tech won't work irl.

>>212583274
Nope. The idea you find zero days for every single phone model (and this was back before everyone had smartphones and the phone market was a lot more diverse) to completely backdoor it without anyone noticing (including hiding the bandwidth use from the telcos who charge you for every byte) in like a day is utterly ridiculous.

And I do think there was actually a line about it being all Wayne Enterprises products, but it's been ages since I saw the movie.

>>212583232
Imagine if you left your phone out thinking a 3/4 charge would hold up overnight and then it's dead in the morning because some asshole drained the batteries trying to locate a clown.

>>212583392
Also almost no one had mobile data plans back then so you'd have like an extra $20 on your phone bill.

>>212583357
No, it's just how regular phones work

>>212582873

>>212582873
Going back to rewatch Begins I'm always startled by now not-that-bad Bale's batgrowl sounds. It's only in TDK where it starts to sound a bit goofy and by Rises you're practically pissing yourself with laughter every time Batman says anything.

>>212582873
This movie was really good because its the only superhero origin movie that anyone ever really cared about.

>trying to apply the already dated and useless political titles of "conservative" or "liberal" to a fucking Batman movie

>>212584976
Yeah because no one cared about Raimi's Spiderman.

>>212585020
>spiderman is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains super hero abilites
Thats it. Thats the origin of Spiderman and everyone already knew it.

Most people had no idea how Batman, a normal human, gained all of his abilities.

>>212584999
libs/leftist/whatever do get triggered by Batman. I see people post shit all the time about how Batman is an evil nazi because hes a rich white man and because he beats up criminals instead of using his money fo dem programs

>>212582842 (OP)
>man dressed in tight fetish wear beats up those who have less
Dunno man, seems so.

The Dark Knight reflects a lot of David Goyer's "let me suck your dick harder, daddy Department of Defense" tendencies that also appear in games like Black Ops 2, which he wrote.

>>212585080
The whole movie is about him becoming Spider-Man.
It isn't just some spider biting him. Have you ever even watched the movie?

>>212585153
Once again, theres no origin to it. Hes bitten by a spider, discovers he has powers, and then uses them to fight crime. Every normie was already aware of this.

No one knew how Bruce Wayne became Batman. They knew his parents were killed by a thug, but thats it. Batman Begins delves into how he became such a badass and how he got all his cool gadgets and shit.

Ive never heard this said ever. OP is making stuff up to provoke a debate over nothing.

>>212585110
>>beats up those who have less
>Dunno man, seems so.
You mean the poor mafia and Joker? Think before you post man.

>>212585192
It really seems like you haven't even watched the movie.
How can you not even mention the Uncle Ben stuff? That's absolutely vital to him becoming Spider-Man.
That's even more important than any of the Ra's al Ghul stuff in Batman.

And every normie begun quoting Ben AFTER the movie.

>>212585256
>>212585256
No, its seems that youre too stupid to grasp the very simple concept I'm trying to convey to you. Im done wasting my time because you are like talking to a brick wall and lack any ability to comprehend the very clear and obvious point I'm trying to make.

>>212585307
What point?
You're arguing that the most forgotten major superhero movie of all time made every normie learn Batman's full backstory.
Ask any normie what they remember from Begins. They probably forgot Liam Neeson was even in there.

>>212585307
If Uncle Ben doesn't matter to Spider-Man, then the only important part of Batman's origin is that Thomas Wayne was rich and willed a lot of money to his son Bruce. Simple as.

>>212585307
>>212585397
>>212585568
Grok says that approximately 65% of Batman Begins covers Batman becoming Batman and 40% of Spider-Man covers Spider-Man becoming Spider-Man.
What do you guys think?
How much of a superhero movie needs to be spent covering the character's origin for it to be considered an origin movie? Is 40% enough? I would say it just might be.

>>212582842 (OP)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen or heard someone say that.

leftists hate batman because he's rich and hate the idea of a vigilante fighting crime because they're enamoured with brownpeople/negroids

Americans are obsessed with grown men in costumes

>>212582842 (OP)
>Begins
GWOT, Rhas Al Ghul

>Knight
Mass surveillance, Patriot Act

>Rises
Occupy Wall Street

Every movie references a then popular political issue and Batman takes the side of the conservatives on that issue on each of them.

>>212585798
they always get an anglo twink to play it as well

>cavill
>holland
>pattinson
>bale

>>212586366
An American as a good guy would be too unbelievable.

>>212582842 (OP)
It's the liberal take to assume the worst of everyone while it's conservative to assume someone will do the right thing. That's what the boat scene was trying to convey. Joker sucks cocks just like Destiny.

>>212587651
What? It's the direct opposite.
Libs be like those Mexican gangsters just want a hug, while the only realists come from the conservative side.

>>212582842 (OP)
Batman posts should be an automatic ban.

>>212583604
Kek

>>212583075
or he used outsourced manufacturing to mass produce a fuckload of sonar equipped phones like the prototype lucius made and then recalled normal phones and replaced them with sonar phones. Which is possible to do in a short timeframe, it just burns money.

>>212582842 (OP)
There’s nothing conservative about how it tries to equivocate the antihero’s actions with those of the villains.