>knows that god exists
>still sides with satan
why?

>>212585429 (OP)
for fun.

Ask the fallen angels in the Bible/Paradise Lost

>>212585429 (OP)
Just like our world desu

>>212585429 (OP)
He was corrupted from the palantir, sir.

>>212585429 (OP)
God made him do it, just like Yahveh created Judas to betray Jesus.

>>212585429 (OP)
Christians pretty much have to believe this is how most athiests are, that they secretly believe in God but consciously choose not to follow him.
Otherwise they have to accept that some people are just not the type of people to follow any faith, and God will condemn them to eternal hellfire just for that.
It also has to do with your life experiences, they have to believe that God only puts you through what you can manage to endure and still believe in order to make sense of why some people face hardship and others don't and still be expected to follow him.

>>212585429 (OP)
He was planning to betray Sauron thoughever, so he was a good guy really

>I want them alive, and unspoiled.
What did he mean by this?

>>212585429 (OP)
>>212585465
Morgoth is stand in for Satan. Sauron and Sauronman are stand in for fallen angels

>>212585562
None of this is true to what Christians believe. Maybe retarded MAGAboomers would explain it like this

>>212585635
Any christian who thinks seriously about the problem of evil either has to live in denial or come to an answer like this.

>>212585429 (OP)
I'm not a huge LOTR buff so maybe someone can fill in the gaps better. But basically all the wizards get sidetracked from the mission except Gandalf, due to their different personalities.

The Blue Wizards (Maiar of Örome, the Hunter) find something interesting in the East that distracts them and basically fuck off for the rest of the story.

Radagast the Brown, is a Maiar of Yavanna, the Vale of Nature, and thus gets too obsessed with plants and animals and the natural world and his focus becomes protecting that rather than fighting Sauron.

Saruman the White was a Maiar of Aulë, the Smith, he becomes too obsessed with acquiring different knowledge of the arts of Sauron such as the Palantir in order to fight him, which eventually corrupts him.

While Gandalf the Grey, was associated with Nienna, the Valar of grief, compassion and pity, which makes him empathize with the living creatures of Middle Earth the most (not just nature like Radagast and not just technology and crafts like Saruman). Due to his wandering nature he makes good relations with the different peoples of Middle Earth and helps unite them together, and becomes fond of the Hobbits, a race everyone ignores, that eventually become the key to defeating Sauron.

>>212585429 (OP)
Tolkien modeled the theology of his world on the Greeks, where Gods were imperfect and most of the time, complete bastards.

people with free will are dumb.

a 17 year old white girl raised in a good family, with money, loved by her parents and friends, will still decide to ruin her body and get shit tattoos, piercings, sleep with some black guy, and start doing drugs.

people will make those decisions knowing about the consequences. they love evil.

>>212585600
That they are NOT for eating.

>>212585702
>they love evil
I don't know if i'll call it "evil"
It's more like a human fascination with self-destruction and opposition to your enviroment.

>>212585654
>God only puts you through what you can manage to endure
God doesn't "put you through" anything. Christianity is NOT about how your life gets easier (either because God stops "giving you his hardest battles" or because God steps in and blocks obstacles from appearing in your life)if you follow it. If God really did influence your life that directly how could you believe in equal treatment or even free will. If you were just a toy God made do or believe whatever he wanted by flipping some switches then you aren't a free thinker and he wouldn't punish you for what he did to you.

The truth is much simpler than this worldview you're trying to say is the standard Christian view.
Atheists often seem to want God to let us have free will but also let us all into Heaven

>>212585702

>>212585928
>God doesn't "put you through" anything
Who is Job

Regardless of whether you believe God ACTUALLY puts you through anything though, he must ALLOW people to live lives where they don't come to him, either through negative experiences or just never having been exposed to him, and burn forever just for that. I would venture to say a lot of people aren't comfortable with that.

>>212585429 (OP)
Reddit

>>212585429 (OP)
God literally said "not my problem" and fucked off and satan is winning. Can't really blame him.

>>212585465
Lucifer is a mistranslation and Satan wasn't mentioned in that story. Satan is also a mistranslation, faggot retard

>>212586027
>Who is Job
He was tested by satan

>he must ALLOW people to live lives where they don't come to him
Yes, otherwise you have to believe that you have no choice in the matter - God puts you in hell or heaven and your life is just a preshow. A negative experience (im assuming you mean something like an abusive Christian or church) ultimately doesn't rob the 'victim' of choice. Either the person understands the gospel or is being taught some freaky heretical thing that wouldn't count. Dealing with shitty people who are "Christians" is unfortunate but warned about in the bible.
For someone who literally just never even hears about God I forget what the term is but from what I remember they're basically assumed "safe" which causes a conundrum where Christians ask if spreading the gospel is actually bad because it could give people to reject God instead of being assumed safe

>>212585702
>people will make those decisions knowing about the consequences
the reality is that the dont even consider the consequences. You'd be surprised how most peoeple operate like animals in that they want what feels good in the immediate moment and cant even fathom two steps down the line from the decision.

This is why so many people in America are fat, broke, and stupid.

>>212586476
Why does God command you to spread his word then?

>>212586476
And another weak christbait thread from the christcuck kid.

Mom got your chicken tendies ready faggot?

>>212586368
More like his children said fuck off. Nothing really matters in Arda because it’s already ordained that everyone who’s dead will be released from the halls of Mandos to fight the enemy once more.

So god has already planned to open the gates of heaven to fight Morgoth. It doesn’t matter what happens on arda or what morgoth accomplishes cause in the end everyone with good in them will be there to fuck morgoth up

>>212585429 (OP)
Because good is dumb

>>212585429 (OP)
stop being antisemitic, it's disgusting

>>212586476
God explicitly allows Satan to test Job.

>>212586417
>Satan wasn't mentioned in that story
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelations 12:9

>>212585465
Satan works for Yahweh though.

>>212586610
Makes the most sense that the demons would be in league with god. They are inherently here to teach lessons

>>212586590
Neither of these faggots exist faggot, fairytales are for children.

>>212585600
Unraped. He prefers fresh bussy.

>>212585600
Well, in the books the orcs didn't have sex for like a month so Sauron's man was afraid they would, you know...

>>212585928
Preventing evil doesn't contradict free will, retard. Pulling someone out of a burning building or curing cancer doesn't interfere with their ability to mach choices.

Replace God with Superman. If Superman sees someone about to die to a tornado, but refuses to help, everyone would say he's evil.

>>212586637
He's not a demon, he's an angel whose job it is to make your life shit to test your faith. That's how it is in the Old Testament and in the Quran too.

>>212586027
>or just never having been exposed to him, and burn forever just for that
literally not true

>>212586510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_sk9G7ai9Y
This video is better than I am at answering

>>212586590
How is that different from any other person at any other time? Satan tests everybody. God obviously doesn't step in and stop it, which was my point.

>>212586639
>that image

Kek this is literally what the mob does.

>>212585665
>The Blue Wizards (Maiar of Örome, the Hunter)

They supposedly lead the resistance against Sauron's forces in the East.

>Radagast the Brown, is a Maiar of Yavanna, the Vale of Nature

Correct.

>Saruman the White was a Maiar of Aulë, the Smith

No, he had no way of knowing that using the Palantir was dangerous. Literally the first time he used it he entered a battle of wills with Sauron, one which he lost.

>>212586532
>Story contains a nation of man that's falling apart without their king, who is returning to them to save them
>An object that represents worldly desires (sin) corrupts mortals' souls and makes them slaves to the dark lord
>The main character falls to temptation and is forgiven, since all mortals can fail but be redeemed
>Literal angels
>Literally same God as Catholicism made the world
>Tolkien was careful not to violate Christian doctrine and commit blasphemy
>Not catholic
I'm not even Christian and NTA btw just not retarded

>>212586705
>you're supposed to like it, goy

>>212586718
>God obviously doesn't step in and stop it
Because he's not good. That's the point. A benevolent being wouldn't intentionally make your life awful to test your love for them.

>>212585429 (OP)
Fuck God. Nigga made hell cuz he too afraid to let niggas like me into heaven cuz we gone kick his ass. Fuckin coomer ass faggot start infinit seething just cuz he cant look at adams dik no more. What a fucking joke. Best send my ass to hell cuz we fixin to throw hand if st peter dumb ass lets me thru them gates.

>>212586417
Lucifer is not a mistranslation but what youre getting at almost uncovering is that Latin is an inherently satantic non biblical language and unsuited for biblical translation. Those verses are about a morning star, angels are stars, what they did is use the word lucifer there to support their luciferian religion when in Hebrew it would be a different word 'Helel' and they want it this way because it indirectly supports the luciferian religion by putting their gods name in the canon text.

>>212586639
Maybe from what Satan is going to do with you, if you don't let me in. People cannot stand to the sight of God, if their soul is filled with sins, so they recede until they form, all together, the Hell.

>>212586610
Gods name is Yahu'Ah. Satan does 'work' for him but the war in heaven is real starting with Josephs dream that revelation canonizes as a literal real event and josephs dream takes place after the life of Job when Job was written.

>>212586762
Wrong. Lucifer refers to a king of Babylon. It has nothing to do with angels.

>>212586762
>Latin is the Holy language
>This nigga says that it is a satanic language

C'mon man...

>>212586780
Satan is God's enforcer in the OT lmao. He needs God's permission to fuck with Job.

>>212586682
>God is like le superman
I'm not even theist and this is embarrassing

>>212586805
>filoque gets changed to latin
>suddenly becomes blasphemy and causes a huge schism in the church
really makes you think...

>>212585429 (OP)
Sauronman was a based and very powerful hylic. He learned god was the god of the kikes and punished everyone but the kikes for even existing as non-kikes. He was so based he tried to overthrow an extremely powerful demon. All of this through sheer force of his spiritual will through gnosis.

>>212586728
Sure you're not that anon, samefagging as usual christcuck kid lol.

>>212585429 (OP)
Canonically because the gods are abandoning the world and entities they created.

>>212586780
Or to what God will allow Satan to do to you if you're too pious like Job

>>212585429 (OP)
>Saruman
>Sauron's man
did Kojima write this shit?

>>212586682
>Preventing evil doesn't contradict free will
Read that one more time

>>212586737
We're just wrapping back around to if you want free will or not.
Ok so God stops you from being temped or ever sinning before you even think about it. Is that free will? You're just God's doll being puppeted around at that point.

reducing god to a single humanoid entity is dumb and heretical af do abrahamists really?

>>212586822
Superman was invented by jews as messianic figure, that's why his family name is El (God's name in hebrew tradition), so it works for the purposes of my analogy.

>>212586728

>>212586893
No but God does.

>>212586682
God, Im really glad all your reddit atheist from the 10s are all dying out.

Your arguments are so childish. God has never promised an easy life, hes promised to save your soul.

This sort of argument is really representative of our ages spiritual decay and materialism. The worry of people in the past was about the after life. Life was hard and death was more common, so people just accepted that life was a fragile thing and the were simply worried what came after.

Nowdays, Death is a foreign concept for people. Its something exceedingly rare, most people dont even give it any thought whatosever. Everyone thinkes theyre immortal up until theyre not. So the worry now becomes the things that challege that. You think the worst evil ever is for someone to die? God already experienced death, a very very excruciating one. The whole "saving" business was about saving your souls.

Not that you retards ever ponder about any of this. All this whole anti Christianism thing is just adolescent rebelliousness, extended into your 30s. You have exactly zero reasons to beef with christians in 2025, you only do so because youre angry at your dad or something.

>>212586883
We're not talking about temptation you double-digit IQ faggot. We're talking about evils that happen to good people, like diseases, natural disasters etc. Things that a benevolent God could and would prevent if he actually loved his children. If God had saved those 37 children in Texas from the flood, it wouldn't have interfered with anyone's free will.

>>212586924
god can be silly sometimes I'll give it that

>>212586639
You should understand from context I don't believe in either of them. You can still say a story character's name and what they did without believing the story is literally true.

>>212586852
Believe it or not, I'm not the anon arguing for Christianity, I'm this anon: >>212585562
I grew up a pastor's kid so I often find myself arguing both with Christians and with retards who don't know the first thing about Christiantiy.

>>212586939
>ignores points
>rambles on about spirituality

Classic Christian. Go on, move the goal posts some more.

PS I'm not an atheist. I think there very well may be a god, just not the kike version that you worship.

>>212586737
God youre like a woman.

Satan cant do anything to you without your consent. God wont rob you of that. Satan is a fallen, pathetic miserable creature. Youre tempted by him and you blame God for allowing you?

>>212586950
Coping about your fairytales like a faggot I see, the christcuck kid rides again.

How do mom's tendies taste?

>>212587030
Point out the passage in the Bible where Job gives Satan consent to murder Job's family, jeet.

>>212585429 (OP)
>whom do you serve?
>ISSSSRAAAAEEEEL

Reminder that angels raped the shit out of all human women and God wasn't against that, not until they decided to rebel. Humans are designated cucks.

>>212587047
I don't believe in God or Jesus and if you weren't a fucking retard you'd know that no Christian would say that

>>212587103
>begs for forgiveness later

>>212587096
I dont think cuck mean what you think it does.

The halfling leaf had slowed his mind.

Elites are Luciferian the masses shall known of this enlightenment in due time

>>212586762
>Latin is an inherently satantic
AHere's the average amerilard christkike, ladies and gentlemen.

You are a blight upon this place and this good Earth.

>>212587103
Nice try moving the goal posts, oh sure you don't christcuck kid. Just like all you religious faggots believe in the devil xD

>>212587154
Human men let it happen because they are obedient little cucks. It is coded in their DNA. No need to be ashamed of that.

He was playing both sides. But honestly, he probably thought Eru and the Valar abandoned Middle Earth (which they did) and he grew envious of Saron’s power over the many hundreds of years.

Why was Morgoth le bad again?

>>212587178
What did I move the goal posts on exactly? All I did was clarify that I don't believe in story characters just because of their names, get accused of lying about my beliefs, then reiterated my beliefs again.

>>212586988
What point you retard? That God should be like Superman?

You dumb moron. Why have anything ever then? Why grant you legs if you risk stumbling and falling down? What sort of evil cruel God would ever let his children stub their toe?

Youre a subtarded moron. God never promised you eternal life in the flesh, only in spirit. The whole point of Christ was to save you from Death and Sin. Its because of God that even if youre torn from limb to limb by a pack of wild animals, your Soul is still secure. You'd think reddit atheists your sharpen up their arguments from two decades ago but really they're so incapable of self improvement theyre on image boards bitching about christianity like a tranny, 20 years later.

Its incredible how little you know about the religion you hate. Like you dont even know the very basics of it. Also, I dont know if you know this, but the Jews killed Christ and the Jewish canon was settled way after Christ died. Hating Christ makes you more similar to a jew than anything.

>>212585429 (OP)
personally knowing God made him arrogant, he wanted to have his own domain where he would be a god and he didnt care that it was a weaker version.

>>212587066
Youre such a pathetic imbecile.

>>212587173
>Hebrew
>Aramaic
>Greek
>Latin
I'll let you guess which one of these the Bible wasnt written in, and which one was used by the power hungry bishop who caused the schism in the Church because its translation of the filoque undermined the Father's role in the Trinity.

>>212585429 (OP)
>knows that god exists
>also knows that god basically never intervenes in creation
Suddenly it makes a lot more sense

>>212587213
Because he didn't follow Eru's music (creation).
Eru was only playing boring classic music (not even the cool stuff) and pop, while Morgoth wanted to play dissonant classic music, rock and metal.

>>212587328
It free domain

>>212587235
Religious faggots are the real charlatans, especially you larping on /tv/ as christcuck & shilling for your kikemade god is fucking hilarious.

Shalom faggot xD.

>>212587322
>hebrew
>not satanic
>somehow Latin is
lol
lmao
Fuck off evangelical juden bootlicker, I can see you through the fucking screen.

>>212587337
Why did Eru make Morgoth knowing full well how things would pan out then silently seethe about it??

>>212587367
Oh, so in addition to uneducated, youre also retarded.

>>212586940
What is evil about an earthquake? If you're gonna talk smack about double digit IQ don't confuse terms. But obviously I know what you meant and I'll answer.

>And to Adam he said,
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
'You shall not eat of it,'
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return."

This does not mean that every disaster is God dishing out punishment, or that survivors of a disaster are spared by God for some reason.

>Luke 13. In the opening of this chapter, someone in the crowd is commenting to Jesus about fatal events that befell some of their countrymen, ostensibly insinuating that God had judged them. In response, Jesus recalls the tragedy of eighteen Jews who died when the tower in Siloam fell. “Do you think that [those who died] were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem?” he asks. “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:4–5).

>>212587357
What lol
This all started because someone responded to a post arguing AGAINST Christianity with a claim I believe in fairy tales. I think you're confused and should re-read this comment chain.

Why not just merge heaven and hell together

>>212587437
Ego, unironically

>>212587407
its so over i messed up the greentext, i lose

>>212586603
Satan as a name is made up. The literal translation is of Revelations 12:9 is
>and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.

"Satan" is from the Greek word satanas, which is an Aramaic and Hebrew word meaning "adversary," "opponent," or "one who opposes another in purpose or act." It is neither a positive or negative word, depending on who or what is opposed.

It's not a fucking name.

>>212587437
And call it what? Earth?

>>212587452
just hit delete lil bro

>>212587407
Look at this kid posting fairytales on /tv/, what a faggot lol.

4chan is purgatory.

>>212587515
the yidd Sheol actually sounds comfy as fuck

weirdly enough I don't see much difference between bible lore fags and lotr lore fags. arguing about tom bombadil is like arguing about john the baptist or what happened to judas after the crucifiction.

>>212587515
It's funny /tv/ gets these fags that get bored on /x/ and /pol/, how retarded do you have to be to post here about rabbi jesus lol.

What's the Mormon equivalent of LotR?

Wasnt Jesus kind of just an ancient motivational speaker?

>>212587601
dwarves, but theyre the cool utah starting civil wars over multiple wives kinds of mormons.

>>212587601
battlestar galactica

>>212587486
Nobody was talking to you

>>212587626
>Jesus
Maybe
>Christ
No.

you do know full well that all of it is fake and gay right

>>212585635
I was raised christian, and I asked this specific question at church. You fucking lying faggot. Christians believe you have to believe in THEIR god, apologize for existing, and be baptized. Go fuck yourself anon.

>>212585465
Uhm, okay?
*turns and looks around*
Fallen Angels, sirs?

>>212585600
No peeing on them without explicit authorisation.

>>212587731
Um, actually LotR was based off of Norse Mythology and as a neo-pagan of the Norse pantheon, I can tell you it is 100% real. Were all living in a treehouse made from grandgod's bones and if you get high enough you can see elves and fairies because doing acid is a spiritual experience just like my viking ancestors used to do.

>>212587830
real and straight just like kissing your homies on the lips

>>212587750
I guess your pastor was wrong. I don't know what you want me to say. Also none of this relates to that post.

>>212586417
Satan is mentioned many times in the New Testament, Redditor retard

>>212587898
>UwU get behind me satan
I remember

>>212587467
Literal semantics. What difference does it make if he's the Devil or the Satan or the Serpent or Lucifer? It's all the same shit, autist

>>212585665
>Saruman the White was a Maiar of Aulë, the Smith, he becomes too obsessed with acquiring different knowledge of the arts of Sauron such as the Palantir in order to fight him, which eventually corrupts him.
He actually becomes with the power of the ring as a craft, he tries to create his own "one ring" a few times but his craft was inferior to Sauron's. He was also seething that Gandalf was given a ring of power by Círdan to aid him in his quest even though Saruman was supposed to be a higher tier and was older than him. It's an unspoken motivation for him trying to get the ring. Also in the book it's much more spelled out that he's NOT helping Sauron at all, he's trying to double cross him immediately by taking the Ring for himself and overthrowing Sauron. When the Riders of Rohan slaughter the orcs who captured Merry and Pippin, Saruman's orcs backstab the Mordor ones because they have orders to return with the ring to Isengard.

>>212585429 (OP)
According to Tolkien, Mairon became Sauron because he has OCD and wanted to find perfection in everything, and at those times Middle-Earth was imperfect, unfinish.

Melkor promised Mairon to create the perfect world.

Saruman like Sauron, also had OCD.

>>212587874
The cope is strong with this faggot.

>>212586705
What kinda racket these boys runnin???? Pretty rough stuff, makin' me repent on the sins he contrived for me. Dudes are lucky that some sunsets make me cry, I tell ya.

The fallen angels should go back to heaven problem solved

>>212585429 (OP)
Because if that god is real he's kind of an asshole who isn't worthy of respecting anyway. And if he foresaw all things then he foresaw his creations would feel that way and resist him and chose to make it anyway. And if that is true then we're just pawns playing the part he already had planned out. The buck stops there.

>>212587948
saruman was a dopehead or like lindsey graham in the closet and melkor was john mccain. maybe sauron was linsey graham I guess. saruman was more like a mike pence.

>>212587999
once heard nothing can exist in contradiction to the laws of the universe or the will of god, only in contradiction to what we know about them. personally I think the bible god is just a small god doing the bidding of a bigger will like means to an end. the real god is beyond that.

>>212587974
You know how, when we crucified Jesus, he said "Forgive them, for they know not what they do"? Fallen angels DO know what they do, so they don't qualify for repentance. They're adults, humans are children

>>212586662
>didn't have sex for like a month
heh

>>212588104
What about how the you could kill kids bible style.

>>212588104
They are men children that were locked up in dad's attic their entire lives and didn't come out until daddy's play things showed themselves God did everything knowing what would happen in the end and still put the blame on 'em

Why would I ever side with G*d.

>>212588104
Bold of you to assume you know what they do when you deserve forgivness for not knowing what you do.

Mom must've turned kid christcucks internet off lol.

>>212587467
Fucking retard. All our names have a meaning in the old languages.
e.g., <(You)'re name> is old greek for "retarded faggot who sucks cock on the daily".

>>212589149
Relying to a post from an hour ago schizo christcuck kid, fuck you're pathetic xD.

Mom got your tendies ready?

>>212589410
Oh no! Not an hour! Is that past your zoomie adhd limit? Your attention span threshold can't comprehend such huge amounts of time?

>>212589410
I could go for some tendies and spicy ketchup

>>212589484
Replying to no one to keep the illusion going, man you christcuck kids are hilarious.
I'm guessing you won't tell me if your mom has your tendies ready because you're a kid & she's dead right?

>>212589410
Hit a nerve there, didn't I.

>>212586662
like a whole month? damn that must've been unbearable

>>212590125
>LOOKS LIKE PUSSY'S BAD ON THE MENU, BOYS!

>>212589931
Come on, where's the proof of your fairytales being real?
That's right, you can't prove it & will retreat into "you're brownzzz" mode.
Your mom's dead so no tendies for you.

>>212590300
All I did was tell you you're fucking retarded for acting like a meaning can't turn into a name, because that's what happened with all our names.
Not sure how this brings you to "<schizorambling> fairytales <schizoramblings>", though I guess you didn't take your meds today.

>>212587260
>The whole point of Christ was to save you from Death and Sin.
Which was introduced when God allowed the serpent to seduce Eve into eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge. Something he presumably knew would happen anyways. So he is saving us from a problem he created.

90% of dem rangs was based on euro pagan folklore

>>212586610
Shalom

>>212585562
>Christians pretty much have to believe this is how most athiests are, that they secretly believe in God but consciously choose not to follow him.
I dot know about all Atheists but Richard Dawkins 100% does.

>>212591120
It's an ongoing process that humanity must go through before reuniting with God and coming out on top. Fall and rise as was always intended.

>>212591270
So it was always intended for God to screw our souls over by introducing Sin. Good to know

>>212588035
I didn't understand a single reference of yours, mate, but ok.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about

>>212591327
It was always there.

Isn't Judaism and Christianity same thing?

>>212591410
Judaism came after

>>212591368
So God intentionally made an imperfect world

>>212591422
It is a complete world. Things only go through processes before they're whole again. Light and shadow, creation, destruction etc.

>>212591422
He said "good" not perfect

>>212586762
>>212586800
Lucifer is a minor Roman God, brother of the also God Vesper. Both were son of Goddess Aurora, but
>Lucifer was son of God Astraeus;
>Vesper was son of mortal Cephalus.

>>212591486
>>212591505
I repeat; So God intentionally made an imperfect world with Sin in it.

>>212591521
wow cute pic

>>212591559
There was potential for sin, sure.
The whole point was to have sentient being with wills of their own and the possibility to sin is an inherent part of that.

>>212591268
There's a difference in believing some atheists do it because of what they've personally said and done and believing all people have inherent belief of God in their heart for theological reasons.
Although even in the former case I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they believe what they're saying, because even if they don't believe, you either can argue against their point or you can't, so saying this is a concession that you have no argument based on reason (unless if you believe literally no one believes what they're saying).

>>212591619
Except God presumably knew that we were going to sin. If he could never be wrong about that then he didn't make "potential sinners" he made "soon to be sinners"

>>212591568
Painted by Evelyn De Morgan.

>>212591716
Thanks

>>212591731
Your welcome, fellow anon.

>>212587437
you mean Sheol?
the spirit world that everyone goes to, saints and sinners alike?
before modern minds realised they could change it into a happy place and a bad place to try and force subservience