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Anonymous No.212585429 >>212585458 >>212585470 >>212585475 >>212585535 >>212585562 >>212585584 >>212585627 >>212585665 >>212585681 >>212586310 >>212586368 >>212586562 >>212586565 >>212586755 >>212586850 >>212586860 >>212586881 >>212587095 >>212587294 >>212587328 >>212587948 >>212587999
>knows that god exists
>still sides with satan
why?
Anonymous No.212585458
>>212585429 (OP)
for fun.
Anonymous No.212585465 >>212585627 >>212586417 >>212586610 >>212587789
Ask the fallen angels in the Bible/Paradise Lost
Anonymous No.212585470
>>212585429 (OP)
Just like our world desu
Anonymous No.212585475
>>212585429 (OP)
He was corrupted from the palantir, sir.
Anonymous No.212585535
>>212585429 (OP)
God made him do it, just like Yahveh created Judas to betray Jesus.
Anonymous No.212585562 >>212585635 >>212586979 >>212591268
>>212585429 (OP)
Christians pretty much have to believe this is how most athiests are, that they secretly believe in God but consciously choose not to follow him.
Otherwise they have to accept that some people are just not the type of people to follow any faith, and God will condemn them to eternal hellfire just for that.
It also has to do with your life experiences, they have to believe that God only puts you through what you can manage to endure and still believe in order to make sense of why some people face hardship and others don't and still be expected to follow him.
Anonymous No.212585584
>>212585429 (OP)
He was planning to betray Sauron thoughever, so he was a good guy really
Anonymous No.212585600 >>212585728 >>212586643 >>212586662 >>212587806
>I want them alive, and unspoiled.
What did he mean by this?
Anonymous No.212585627
>>212585429 (OP)
>>212585465
Morgoth is stand in for Satan. Sauron and Sauronman are stand in for fallen angels
Anonymous No.212585635 >>212585654 >>212587750
>>212585562
None of this is true to what Christians believe. Maybe retarded MAGAboomers would explain it like this
Anonymous No.212585654 >>212585928
>>212585635
Any christian who thinks seriously about the problem of evil either has to live in denial or come to an answer like this.
Anonymous No.212585665 >>212586726 >>212587946
>>212585429 (OP)
I'm not a huge LOTR buff so maybe someone can fill in the gaps better. But basically all the wizards get sidetracked from the mission except Gandalf, due to their different personalities.

The Blue Wizards (Maiar of ร–rome, the Hunter) find something interesting in the East that distracts them and basically fuck off for the rest of the story.

Radagast the Brown, is a Maiar of Yavanna, the Vale of Nature, and thus gets too obsessed with plants and animals and the natural world and his focus becomes protecting that rather than fighting Sauron.

Saruman the White was a Maiar of Aulรซ, the Smith, he becomes too obsessed with acquiring different knowledge of the arts of Sauron such as the Palantir in order to fight him, which eventually corrupts him.

While Gandalf the Grey, was associated with Nienna, the Valar of grief, compassion and pity, which makes him empathize with the living creatures of Middle Earth the most (not just nature like Radagast and not just technology and crafts like Saruman). Due to his wandering nature he makes good relations with the different peoples of Middle Earth and helps unite them together, and becomes fond of the Hobbits, a race everyone ignores, that eventually become the key to defeating Sauron.
Anonymous No.212585681
>>212585429 (OP)
Tolkien modeled the theology of his world on the Greeks, where Gods were imperfect and most of the time, complete bastards.
Anonymous No.212585702 >>212585810 >>212585931 >>212586498
people with free will are dumb.

a 17 year old white girl raised in a good family, with money, loved by her parents and friends, will still decide to ruin her body and get shit tattoos, piercings, sleep with some black guy, and start doing drugs.

people will make those decisions knowing about the consequences. they love evil.
Anonymous No.212585728
>>212585600
That they are NOT for eating.
Anonymous No.212585810
>>212585702
>they love evil
I don't know if i'll call it "evil"
It's more like a human fascination with self-destruction and opposition to your enviroment.
Anonymous No.212585928 >>212586027 >>212586682
>>212585654
>God only puts you through what you can manage to endure
God doesn't "put you through" anything. Christianity is NOT about how your life gets easier (either because God stops "giving you his hardest battles" or because God steps in and blocks obstacles from appearing in your life)if you follow it. If God really did influence your life that directly how could you believe in equal treatment or even free will. If you were just a toy God made do or believe whatever he wanted by flipping some switches then you aren't a free thinker and he wouldn't punish you for what he did to you.

The truth is much simpler than this worldview you're trying to say is the standard Christian view.
Atheists often seem to want God to let us have free will but also let us all into Heaven
Anonymous No.212585931
>>212585702
Anonymous No.212586027 >>212586476 >>212586715
>>212585928
>God doesn't "put you through" anything
Who is Job

Regardless of whether you believe God ACTUALLY puts you through anything though, he must ALLOW people to live lives where they don't come to him, either through negative experiences or just never having been exposed to him, and burn forever just for that. I would venture to say a lot of people aren't comfortable with that.
Anonymous No.212586310
>>212585429 (OP)
Reddit
Anonymous No.212586368 >>212586533
>>212585429 (OP)
God literally said "not my problem" and fucked off and satan is winning. Can't really blame him.
Anonymous No.212586417 >>212586603 >>212586762 >>212587898
>>212585465
Lucifer is a mistranslation and Satan wasn't mentioned in that story. Satan is also a mistranslation, faggot retard
Anonymous No.212586476 >>212586510 >>212586532 >>212586590
>>212586027
>Who is Job
He was tested by satan

>he must ALLOW people to live lives where they don't come to him
Yes, otherwise you have to believe that you have no choice in the matter - God puts you in hell or heaven and your life is just a preshow. A negative experience (im assuming you mean something like an abusive Christian or church) ultimately doesn't rob the 'victim' of choice. Either the person understands the gospel or is being taught some freaky heretical thing that wouldn't count. Dealing with shitty people who are "Christians" is unfortunate but warned about in the bible.
For someone who literally just never even hears about God I forget what the term is but from what I remember they're basically assumed "safe" which causes a conundrum where Christians ask if spreading the gospel is actually bad because it could give people to reject God instead of being assumed safe
Anonymous No.212586498
>>212585702
>people will make those decisions knowing about the consequences
the reality is that the dont even consider the consequences. You'd be surprised how most peoeple operate like animals in that they want what feels good in the immediate moment and cant even fathom two steps down the line from the decision.

This is why so many people in America are fat, broke, and stupid.
Anonymous No.212586510 >>212586718
>>212586476
Why does God command you to spread his word then?
Anonymous No.212586532 >>212586728
>>212586476
And another weak christbait thread from the christcuck kid.

Mom got your chicken tendies ready faggot?
Anonymous No.212586533
>>212586368
More like his children said fuck off. Nothing really matters in Arda because itโ€™s already ordained that everyone whoโ€™s dead will be released from the halls of Mandos to fight the enemy once more.

So god has already planned to open the gates of heaven to fight Morgoth. It doesnโ€™t matter what happens on arda or what morgoth accomplishes cause in the end everyone with good in them will be there to fuck morgoth up
Anonymous No.212586562
>>212585429 (OP)
Because good is dumb
Anonymous No.212586565
>>212585429 (OP)
stop being antisemitic, it's disgusting
Anonymous No.212586590 >>212586639 >>212586718
>>212586476
God explicitly allows Satan to test Job.
Anonymous No.212586603 >>212587467
>>212586417
>Satan wasn't mentioned in that story
The great dragon was hurled downโ€”that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelations 12:9
Anonymous No.212586610 >>212586637 >>212586797 >>212591237
>>212585465
Satan works for Yahweh though.
Anonymous No.212586637 >>212586705
>>212586610
Makes the most sense that the demons would be in league with god. They are inherently here to teach lessons
Anonymous No.212586639 >>212586720 >>212586780 >>212586950
>>212586590
Neither of these faggots exist faggot, fairytales are for children.
Anonymous No.212586643
>>212585600
Unraped. He prefers fresh bussy.
Anonymous No.212586662 >>212588159 >>212590125
>>212585600
Well, in the books the orcs didn't have sex for like a month so Sauron's man was afraid they would, you know...
Anonymous No.212586682 >>212586822 >>212586883 >>212586939
>>212585928
Preventing evil doesn't contradict free will, retard. Pulling someone out of a burning building or curing cancer doesn't interfere with their ability to mach choices.

Replace God with Superman. If Superman sees someone about to die to a tornado, but refuses to help, everyone would say he's evil.
Anonymous No.212586705 >>212586730 >>212587970
>>212586637
He's not a demon, he's an angel whose job it is to make your life shit to test your faith. That's how it is in the Old Testament and in the Quran too.
Anonymous No.212586715
>>212586027
>or just never having been exposed to him, and burn forever just for that
literally not true
Anonymous No.212586718 >>212586737
>>212586510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_sk9G7ai9Y
This video is better than I am at answering

>>212586590
How is that different from any other person at any other time? Satan tests everybody. God obviously doesn't step in and stop it, which was my point.
Anonymous No.212586720
>>212586639
>that image

Kek this is literally what the mob does.
Anonymous No.212586726
>>212585665
>The Blue Wizards (Maiar of ร–rome, the Hunter)

They supposedly lead the resistance against Sauron's forces in the East.

>Radagast the Brown, is a Maiar of Yavanna, the Vale of Nature

Correct.

>Saruman the White was a Maiar of Aulรซ, the Smith

No, he had no way of knowing that using the Palantir was dangerous. Literally the first time he used it he entered a battle of wills with Sauron, one which he lost.
Anonymous No.212586728 >>212586852 >>212586908
>>212586532
>Story contains a nation of man that's falling apart without their king, who is returning to them to save them
>An object that represents worldly desires (sin) corrupts mortals' souls and makes them slaves to the dark lord
>The main character falls to temptation and is forgiven, since all mortals can fail but be redeemed
>Literal angels
>Literally same God as Catholicism made the world
>Tolkien was careful not to violate Christian doctrine and commit blasphemy
>Not catholic
I'm not even Christian and NTA btw just not retarded
Anonymous No.212586730
>>212586705
>you're supposed to like it, goy
Anonymous No.212586737 >>212586883 >>212587030
>>212586718
>God obviously doesn't step in and stop it
Because he's not good. That's the point. A benevolent being wouldn't intentionally make your life awful to test your love for them.
Anonymous No.212586755
>>212585429 (OP)
Fuck God. Nigga made hell cuz he too afraid to let niggas like me into heaven cuz we gone kick his ass. Fuckin coomer ass faggot start infinit seething just cuz he cant look at adams dik no more. What a fucking joke. Best send my ass to hell cuz we fixin to throw hand if st peter dumb ass lets me thru them gates.
Anonymous No.212586762 >>212586800 >>212586805 >>212587173 >>212591521
>>212586417
Lucifer is not a mistranslation but what youre getting at almost uncovering is that Latin is an inherently satantic non biblical language and unsuited for biblical translation. Those verses are about a morning star, angels are stars, what they did is use the word lucifer there to support their luciferian religion when in Hebrew it would be a different word 'Helel' and they want it this way because it indirectly supports the luciferian religion by putting their gods name in the canon text.
Anonymous No.212586780 >>212586818 >>212586866
>>212586639
Maybe from what Satan is going to do with you, if you don't let me in. People cannot stand to the sight of God, if their soul is filled with sins, so they recede until they form, all together, the Hell.
Anonymous No.212586797
>>212586610
Gods name is Yahu'Ah. Satan does 'work' for him but the war in heaven is real starting with Josephs dream that revelation canonizes as a literal real event and josephs dream takes place after the life of Job when Job was written.
Anonymous No.212586800 >>212591521
>>212586762
Wrong. Lucifer refers to a king of Babylon. It has nothing to do with angels.
Anonymous No.212586805 >>212586836
>>212586762
>Latin is the Holy language
>This nigga says that it is a satanic language

C'mon man...
Anonymous No.212586818
>>212586780
Satan is God's enforcer in the OT lmao. He needs God's permission to fuck with Job.
Anonymous No.212586822 >>212586905
>>212586682
>God is like le superman
I'm not even theist and this is embarrassing
Anonymous No.212586836
>>212586805
>filoque gets changed to latin
>suddenly becomes blasphemy and causes a huge schism in the church
really makes you think...
Anonymous No.212586850
>>212585429 (OP)
Sauronman was a based and very powerful hylic. He learned god was the god of the kikes and punished everyone but the kikes for even existing as non-kikes. He was so based he tried to overthrow an extremely powerful demon. All of this through sheer force of his spiritual will through gnosis.
Anonymous No.212586852 >>212586979
>>212586728
Sure you're not that anon, samefagging as usual christcuck kid lol.
Anonymous No.212586860
>>212585429 (OP)
Canonically because the gods are abandoning the world and entities they created.
Anonymous No.212586866
>>212586780
Or to what God will allow Satan to do to you if you're too pious like Job
Anonymous No.212586881
>>212585429 (OP)
>Saruman
>Sauron's man
did Kojima write this shit?
Anonymous No.212586883 >>212586940
>>212586682
>Preventing evil doesn't contradict free will
Read that one more time

>>212586737
We're just wrapping back around to if you want free will or not.
Ok so God stops you from being temped or ever sinning before you even think about it. Is that free will? You're just God's doll being puppeted around at that point.
Anonymous No.212586893 >>212586924
reducing god to a single humanoid entity is dumb and heretical af do abrahamists really?
Anonymous No.212586905
>>212586822
Superman was invented by jews as messianic figure, that's why his family name is El (God's name in hebrew tradition), so it works for the purposes of my analogy.
Anonymous No.212586908
>>212586728
Anonymous No.212586924 >>212586948
>>212586893
No but God does.
Anonymous No.212586939 >>212586988
>>212586682
God, Im really glad all your reddit atheist from the 10s are all dying out.

Your arguments are so childish. God has never promised an easy life, hes promised to save your soul.

This sort of argument is really representative of our ages spiritual decay and materialism. The worry of people in the past was about the after life. Life was hard and death was more common, so people just accepted that life was a fragile thing and the were simply worried what came after.

Nowdays, Death is a foreign concept for people. Its something exceedingly rare, most people dont even give it any thought whatosever. Everyone thinkes theyre immortal up until theyre not. So the worry now becomes the things that challege that. You think the worst evil ever is for someone to die? God already experienced death, a very very excruciating one. The whole "saving" business was about saving your souls.

Not that you retards ever ponder about any of this. All this whole anti Christianism thing is just adolescent rebelliousness, extended into your 30s. You have exactly zero reasons to beef with christians in 2025, you only do so because youre angry at your dad or something.
Anonymous No.212586940 >>212587407
>>212586883
We're not talking about temptation you double-digit IQ faggot. We're talking about evils that happen to good people, like diseases, natural disasters etc. Things that a benevolent God could and would prevent if he actually loved his children. If God had saved those 37 children in Texas from the flood, it wouldn't have interfered with anyone's free will.
Anonymous No.212586948
>>212586924
god can be silly sometimes I'll give it that
Anonymous No.212586950 >>212587047
>>212586639
You should understand from context I don't believe in either of them. You can still say a story character's name and what they did without believing the story is literally true.
Anonymous No.212586979
>>212586852
Believe it or not, I'm not the anon arguing for Christianity, I'm this anon: >>212585562
I grew up a pastor's kid so I often find myself arguing both with Christians and with retards who don't know the first thing about Christiantiy.
Anonymous No.212586988 >>212587260
>>212586939
>ignores points
>rambles on about spirituality

Classic Christian. Go on, move the goal posts some more.

PS I'm not an atheist. I think there very well may be a god, just not the kike version that you worship.
Anonymous No.212587030 >>212587066
>>212586737
God youre like a woman.

Satan cant do anything to you without your consent. God wont rob you of that. Satan is a fallen, pathetic miserable creature. Youre tempted by him and you blame God for allowing you?
Anonymous No.212587047 >>212587103
>>212586950
Coping about your fairytales like a faggot I see, the christcuck kid rides again.

How do mom's tendies taste?
Anonymous No.212587066 >>212587315
>>212587030
Point out the passage in the Bible where Job gives Satan consent to murder Job's family, jeet.
Anonymous No.212587095
>>212585429 (OP)
>whom do you serve?
>ISSSSRAAAAEEEEL
Anonymous No.212587096 >>212587154
Reminder that angels raped the shit out of all human women and God wasn't against that, not until they decided to rebel. Humans are designated cucks.
Anonymous No.212587103 >>212587129 >>212587178
>>212587047
I don't believe in God or Jesus and if you weren't a fucking retard you'd know that no Christian would say that
Anonymous No.212587129
>>212587103
>begs for forgiveness later
Anonymous No.212587154 >>212587189
>>212587096
I dont think cuck mean what you think it does.
Anonymous No.212587162
The halfling leaf had slowed his mind.
Anonymous No.212587164
Elites are Luciferian the masses shall known of this enlightenment in due time
Anonymous No.212587173 >>212587322
>>212586762
>Latin is an inherently satantic
AHere's the average amerilard christkike, ladies and gentlemen.

You are a blight upon this place and this good Earth.
Anonymous No.212587178 >>212587235
>>212587103
Nice try moving the goal posts, oh sure you don't christcuck kid. Just like all you religious faggots believe in the devil xD
Anonymous No.212587189
>>212587154
Human men let it happen because they are obedient little cucks. It is coded in their DNA. No need to be ashamed of that.
Anonymous No.212587195
He was playing both sides. But honestly, he probably thought Eru and the Valar abandoned Middle Earth (which they did) and he grew envious of Saronโ€™s power over the many hundreds of years.
Anonymous No.212587213 >>212587337
Why was Morgoth le bad again?
Anonymous No.212587235 >>212587357
>>212587178
What did I move the goal posts on exactly? All I did was clarify that I don't believe in story characters just because of their names, get accused of lying about my beliefs, then reiterated my beliefs again.
Anonymous No.212587260 >>212591120
>>212586988
What point you retard? That God should be like Superman?

You dumb moron. Why have anything ever then? Why grant you legs if you risk stumbling and falling down? What sort of evil cruel God would ever let his children stub their toe?

Youre a subtarded moron. God never promised you eternal life in the flesh, only in spirit. The whole point of Christ was to save you from Death and Sin. Its because of God that even if youre torn from limb to limb by a pack of wild animals, your Soul is still secure. You'd think reddit atheists your sharpen up their arguments from two decades ago but really they're so incapable of self improvement theyre on image boards bitching about christianity like a tranny, 20 years later.

Its incredible how little you know about the religion you hate. Like you dont even know the very basics of it. Also, I dont know if you know this, but the Jews killed Christ and the Jewish canon was settled way after Christ died. Hating Christ makes you more similar to a jew than anything.
Anonymous No.212587294
>>212585429 (OP)
personally knowing God made him arrogant, he wanted to have his own domain where he would be a god and he didnt care that it was a weaker version.
Anonymous No.212587315
>>212587066
Youre such a pathetic imbecile.
Anonymous No.212587322 >>212587367
>>212587173
>Hebrew
>Aramaic
>Greek
>Latin
I'll let you guess which one of these the Bible wasnt written in, and which one was used by the power hungry bishop who caused the schism in the Church because its translation of the filoque undermined the Father's role in the Trinity.
Anonymous No.212587328 >>212587354
>>212585429 (OP)
>knows that god exists
>also knows that god basically never intervenes in creation
Suddenly it makes a lot more sense
Anonymous No.212587337 >>212587373
>>212587213
Because he didn't follow Eru's music (creation).
Eru was only playing boring classic music (not even the cool stuff) and pop, while Morgoth wanted to play dissonant classic music, rock and metal.
Anonymous No.212587354
>>212587328
It free domain
Anonymous No.212587357 >>212587421
>>212587235
Religious faggots are the real charlatans, especially you larping on /tv/ as christcuck & shilling for your kikemade god is fucking hilarious.

Shalom faggot xD.
Anonymous No.212587367 >>212587395
>>212587322
>hebrew
>not satanic
>somehow Latin is
lol
lmao
Fuck off evangelical juden bootlicker, I can see you through the fucking screen.
Anonymous No.212587373
>>212587337
Why did Eru make Morgoth knowing full well how things would pan out then silently seethe about it??
Anonymous No.212587395
>>212587367
Oh, so in addition to uneducated, youre also retarded.
Anonymous No.212587407 >>212587452 >>212587486
>>212586940
What is evil about an earthquake? If you're gonna talk smack about double digit IQ don't confuse terms. But obviously I know what you meant and I'll answer.

>And to Adam he said,
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
'You shall not eat of it,'
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return."

This does not mean that every disaster is God dishing out punishment, or that survivors of a disaster are spared by God for some reason.

>Luke 13. In the opening of this chapter, someone in the crowd is commenting to Jesus about fatal events that befell some of their countrymen, ostensibly insinuating that God had judged them. In response, Jesus recalls the tragedy of eighteen Jews who died when the tower in Siloam fell. โ€œDo you think that [those who died] were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem?โ€ he asks. โ€œNo, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perishโ€ (Luke 13:4โ€“5).
Anonymous No.212587421
>>212587357
What lol
This all started because someone responded to a post arguing AGAINST Christianity with a claim I believe in fairy tales. I think you're confused and should re-read this comment chain.
Anonymous No.212587437 >>212587450 >>212587478 >>212593709
Why not just merge heaven and hell together
Anonymous No.212587450
>>212587437
Ego, unironically
Anonymous No.212587452 >>212587480
>>212587407
its so over i messed up the greentext, i lose
Anonymous No.212587467 >>212587934 >>212589149
>>212586603
Satan as a name is made up. The literal translation is of Revelations 12:9 is
>and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.

"Satan" is from the Greek word satanas, which is an Aramaic and Hebrew word meaning "adversary," "opponent," or "one who opposes another in purpose or act." It is neither a positive or negative word, depending on who or what is opposed.

It's not a fucking name.
Anonymous No.212587478
>>212587437
And call it what? Earth?
Anonymous No.212587480
>>212587452
just hit delete lil bro
Anonymous No.212587486 >>212587710
>>212587407
Look at this kid posting fairytales on /tv/, what a faggot lol.
Anonymous No.212587515 >>212587548 >>212587569
4chan is purgatory.
Anonymous No.212587548
>>212587515
the yidd Sheol actually sounds comfy as fuck
Anonymous No.212587562
weirdly enough I don't see much difference between bible lore fags and lotr lore fags. arguing about tom bombadil is like arguing about john the baptist or what happened to judas after the crucifiction.
Anonymous No.212587569
>>212587515
It's funny /tv/ gets these fags that get bored on /x/ and /pol/, how retarded do you have to be to post here about rabbi jesus lol.
Anonymous No.212587601 >>212587685 >>212587700
What's the Mormon equivalent of LotR?
Anonymous No.212587626 >>212587720
Wasnt Jesus kind of just an ancient motivational speaker?
Anonymous No.212587685
>>212587601
dwarves, but theyre the cool utah starting civil wars over multiple wives kinds of mormons.
Anonymous No.212587700
>>212587601
battlestar galactica
Anonymous No.212587710
>>212587486
Nobody was talking to you
Anonymous No.212587720
>>212587626
>Jesus
Maybe
>Christ
No.
Anonymous No.212587731 >>212587830
you do know full well that all of it is fake and gay right
Anonymous No.212587750 >>212587874
>>212585635
I was raised christian, and I asked this specific question at church. You fucking lying faggot. Christians believe you have to believe in THEIR god, apologize for existing, and be baptized. Go fuck yourself anon.
Anonymous No.212587789
>>212585465
Uhm, okay?
*turns and looks around*
Fallen Angels, sirs?
Anonymous No.212587806
>>212585600
No peeing on them without explicit authorisation.
Anonymous No.212587830 >>212587864
>>212587731
Um, actually LotR was based off of Norse Mythology and as a neo-pagan of the Norse pantheon, I can tell you it is 100% real. Were all living in a treehouse made from grandgod's bones and if you get high enough you can see elves and fairies because doing acid is a spiritual experience just like my viking ancestors used to do.
Anonymous No.212587864
>>212587830
real and straight just like kissing your homies on the lips
Anonymous No.212587874 >>212587960
>>212587750
I guess your pastor was wrong. I don't know what you want me to say. Also none of this relates to that post.
Anonymous No.212587898 >>212587925
>>212586417
Satan is mentioned many times in the New Testament, Redditor retard
Anonymous No.212587925
>>212587898
>UwU get behind me satan
I remember
Anonymous No.212587934
>>212587467
Literal semantics. What difference does it make if he's the Devil or the Satan or the Serpent or Lucifer? It's all the same shit, autist
Anonymous No.212587946
>>212585665
>Saruman the White was a Maiar of Aulรซ, the Smith, he becomes too obsessed with acquiring different knowledge of the arts of Sauron such as the Palantir in order to fight him, which eventually corrupts him.
He actually becomes with the power of the ring as a craft, he tries to create his own "one ring" a few times but his craft was inferior to Sauron's. He was also seething that Gandalf was given a ring of power by Cรญrdan to aid him in his quest even though Saruman was supposed to be a higher tier and was older than him. It's an unspoken motivation for him trying to get the ring. Also in the book it's much more spelled out that he's NOT helping Sauron at all, he's trying to double cross him immediately by taking the Ring for himself and overthrowing Sauron. When the Riders of Rohan slaughter the orcs who captured Merry and Pippin, Saruman's orcs backstab the Mordor ones because they have orders to return with the ring to Isengard.
Anonymous No.212587948 >>212588035
>>212585429 (OP)
According to Tolkien, Mairon became Sauron because he has OCD and wanted to find perfection in everything, and at those times Middle-Earth was imperfect, unfinish.

Melkor promised Mairon to create the perfect world.

Saruman like Sauron, also had OCD.
Anonymous No.212587960
>>212587874
The cope is strong with this faggot.
Anonymous No.212587970
>>212586705
What kinda racket these boys runnin???? Pretty rough stuff, makin' me repent on the sins he contrived for me. Dudes are lucky that some sunsets make me cry, I tell ya.
Anonymous No.212587974 >>212588104
The fallen angels should go back to heaven problem solved
Anonymous No.212587999 >>212588065
>>212585429 (OP)
Because if that god is real he's kind of an asshole who isn't worthy of respecting anyway. And if he foresaw all things then he foresaw his creations would feel that way and resist him and chose to make it anyway. And if that is true then we're just pawns playing the part he already had planned out. The buck stops there.
Anonymous No.212588035 >>212591328
>>212587948
saruman was a dopehead or like lindsey graham in the closet and melkor was john mccain. maybe sauron was linsey graham I guess. saruman was more like a mike pence.
Anonymous No.212588065
>>212587999
once heard nothing can exist in contradiction to the laws of the universe or the will of god, only in contradiction to what we know about them. personally I think the bible god is just a small god doing the bidding of a bigger will like means to an end. the real god is beyond that.
Anonymous No.212588104 >>212588161 >>212588210 >>212588255
>>212587974
You know how, when we crucified Jesus, he said "Forgive them, for they know not what they do"? Fallen angels DO know what they do, so they don't qualify for repentance. They're adults, humans are children
Anonymous No.212588159
>>212586662
>didn't have sex for like a month
heh
Anonymous No.212588161
>>212588104
What about how the you could kill kids bible style.
Anonymous No.212588210
>>212588104
They are men children that were locked up in dad's attic their entire lives and didn't come out until daddy's play things showed themselves God did everything knowing what would happen in the end and still put the blame on 'em
Anonymous No.212588245
Why would I ever side with G*d.
Anonymous No.212588255
>>212588104
Bold of you to assume you know what they do when you deserve forgivness for not knowing what you do.
Anonymous No.212588676
Mom must've turned kid christcucks internet off lol.
Anonymous No.212589149 >>212589410
>>212587467
Fucking retard. All our names have a meaning in the old languages.
e.g., <(You)'re name> is old greek for "retarded faggot who sucks cock on the daily".
Anonymous No.212589410 >>212589484 >>212589487 >>212589931
>>212589149
Relying to a post from an hour ago schizo christcuck kid, fuck you're pathetic xD.

Mom got your tendies ready?
Anonymous No.212589484 >>212589592
>>212589410
Oh no! Not an hour! Is that past your zoomie adhd limit? Your attention span threshold can't comprehend such huge amounts of time?
Anonymous No.212589487
>>212589410
I could go for some tendies and spicy ketchup
Anonymous No.212589592
>>212589484
Replying to no one to keep the illusion going, man you christcuck kids are hilarious.
I'm guessing you won't tell me if your mom has your tendies ready because you're a kid & she's dead right?
Anonymous No.212589931 >>212590300
>>212589410
Hit a nerve there, didn't I.
Anonymous No.212590125 >>212590190
>>212586662
like a whole month? damn that must've been unbearable
Anonymous No.212590190
>>212590125
>LOOKS LIKE PUSSY'S BAD ON THE MENU, BOYS!
Anonymous No.212590300 >>212590510
>>212589931
Come on, where's the proof of your fairytales being real?
That's right, you can't prove it & will retreat into "you're brownzzz" mode.
Your mom's dead so no tendies for you.
Anonymous No.212590510
>>212590300
All I did was tell you you're fucking retarded for acting like a meaning can't turn into a name, because that's what happened with all our names.
Not sure how this brings you to " fairytales ", though I guess you didn't take your meds today.
Anonymous No.212591116
Anonymous No.212591120 >>212591270
>>212587260
>The whole point of Christ was to save you from Death and Sin.
Which was introduced when God allowed the serpent to seduce Eve into eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge. Something he presumably knew would happen anyways. So he is saving us from a problem he created.
Anonymous No.212591220
90% of dem rangs was based on euro pagan folklore
Anonymous No.212591237
>>212586610
Shalom
Anonymous No.212591268 >>212591699
>>212585562
>Christians pretty much have to believe this is how most athiests are, that they secretly believe in God but consciously choose not to follow him.
I dot know about all Atheists but Richard Dawkins 100% does.
Anonymous No.212591270 >>212591327
>>212591120
It's an ongoing process that humanity must go through before reuniting with God and coming out on top. Fall and rise as was always intended.
Anonymous No.212591327 >>212591368
>>212591270
So it was always intended for God to screw our souls over by introducing Sin. Good to know
Anonymous No.212591328
>>212588035
I didn't understand a single reference of yours, mate, but ok.
Anonymous No.212591334
None of you have any idea what you're talking about
Anonymous No.212591368 >>212591422
>>212591327
It was always there.
Anonymous No.212591410 >>212591419
Isn't Judaism and Christianity same thing?
Anonymous No.212591419
>>212591410
Judaism came after
Anonymous No.212591422 >>212591486 >>212591505
>>212591368
So God intentionally made an imperfect world
Anonymous No.212591486 >>212591559
>>212591422
It is a complete world. Things only go through processes before they're whole again. Light and shadow, creation, destruction etc.
Anonymous No.212591505 >>212591559
>>212591422
He said "good" not perfect
Anonymous No.212591521 >>212591568
>>212586762
>>212586800
Lucifer is a minor Roman God, brother of the also God Vesper. Both were son of Goddess Aurora, but
>Lucifer was son of God Astraeus;
>Vesper was son of mortal Cephalus.
Anonymous No.212591559 >>212591619
>>212591486
>>212591505
I repeat; So God intentionally made an imperfect world with Sin in it.
Anonymous No.212591568 >>212591716
>>212591521
wow cute pic
Anonymous No.212591619 >>212591703
>>212591559
There was potential for sin, sure.
The whole point was to have sentient being with wills of their own and the possibility to sin is an inherent part of that.
Anonymous No.212591699
>>212591268
There's a difference in believing some atheists do it because of what they've personally said and done and believing all people have inherent belief of God in their heart for theological reasons.
Although even in the former case I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they believe what they're saying, because even if they don't believe, you either can argue against their point or you can't, so saying this is a concession that you have no argument based on reason (unless if you believe literally no one believes what they're saying).
Anonymous No.212591703
>>212591619
Except God presumably knew that we were going to sin. If he could never be wrong about that then he didn't make "potential sinners" he made "soon to be sinners"
Anonymous No.212591716 >>212591731
>>212591568
Painted by Evelyn De Morgan.
Anonymous No.212591731 >>212592584
>>212591716
Thanks
Anonymous No.212592584
>>212591731
Your welcome, fellow anon.
Anonymous No.212593709
>>212587437
you mean Sheol?
the spirit world that everyone goes to, saints and sinners alike?
before modern minds realised they could change it into a happy place and a bad place to try and force subservience