I mean, just check previous shows.
40k is edgelord slop for teenagers, who cares
>>212585668 (OP)I mean, that is right though.
>>212585668 (OP)why is that thot whining? there are 8 billion people on this earth, of course some are dumb
I'm not into Warhammer, but how is there a "message" about the Imperium? Obviously the crazy dogmatism of the Imperium is a vicious sign of political and cultural decay, but I can't really see how there's a "message" when it's entirely unpreventable and also a completely understandable/sympathetic reaction to the world they're living in
Here's my TV pitch in case a studio anon is lurking
>>212585668 (OP)I hope they do so people can stop talking about that dumb shit.
>>212585668 (OP)it very obviously is in their world
Why can't they just let a fucking fictional universe be just that? Why does it always have to have some disclaimer about what I'm supposed to belief and who I'm supposed to vote for? Why can't in-universe lore be just that? These people really do hate the idea of men just having fun in their little digital worlds. And to answer your question OP, yes.
>>212585717If you show someone transgressing against progressive ideology and the character isn't immediately reprimanded, that means the showrunners oppose progressive ideology and need to be canceled.
>>212585668 (OP)Games Workshop pigeonholed themselves by making edgy too cool
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>>212585668 (OP)Almost like you should interpret things from in-universe perspective and not use fiction to validate your real life beliefs. Crazy, I know.
>>212585668 (OP)Chaos demons takes over through doubt in their world. We notice it in this one too, devil worshipers and browns take over because we are too nice. Same thing.
>>212585717There's nothing to say. The Imperium is a tyrannical dystopia because that's the only way to survive in the hell universe they live in. It's all a farce but you're not allowed to find any superficial aspect of it cool or else Drumpf wins.
>>212585754>>212585769because most people are simpletons who should have never been elevated beyond serfs. that's the hard truth.
>>212585668 (OP)People who read it and go "Yeah! That's right!" and people who read it and go "Yikes! That's wrong!" are using the exact same level of brainpower to reach their conclusions.
>>212585754Fiction is a vehicle for manipulation and always has been
>>212585668 (OP)Media illiteracy unironically makes it impossible to adapt 40k at the moment.
No one wants to create a fascist icon for retards who want to be oppressed.
>>212585754Because you didn't gatekeep hard enough. Once normalfags get into something they NEED it to have some kind of deeper metaphor because they constantly need to prove that they are adults and save themselves the embarrassment of enjoying something purely because it is fun.
>>212585668 (OP)40k has already been ruined by GW.
They only produce media about girlbosses or minority space marines with white men exclusviley being sidecast as weaklings or bad guys who spend the entire story getting humiliated, beaten up or rescued by the woke characters.
>>212585668 (OP)>hmmm this faction is cool>NOOOOO BUT THEY'RE MEANT TO BE BAD GUYS YOU CAN'T THINK THE BAD GUYS IN A WORK OF FICTION ARE COOL>STOP COMPARTMENTALIZING THE REAL WORLD FROM FICTION
>>212585754Dissidents to their moral academic canon can't be tolerated even in a fictional light. The science is settled and absolute. They replaced confession with therapy and priests with professors.
>>212585668 (OP)you can not tolerate the intolerable
what about this makes women confused
>>212585754being told what to think is so much easier than thinking for myself
>[Iconoclast] Wipe
>[Dogmatic] "Only undying faith in the Emperor shall cleanse us"
>[Heretical] "Why bother when I'll only shit again?"
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>>212585792the criticism is of people who miss the point and want to apply Imperium logic to the not-Hell universe.
>>212585668 (OP)>An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
>ruin 40k
lmao, 40k is pozzed to hell and back, if anything they might improve it over GW
>>212585895look around
we’re pretty damn close to the hell universe
>>212585668 (OP)Gatekeeping is important
In the past it was pretty much established that every faction in both 40k and Warhammer Fantasy was kinda evil and that the totallrism and religious supremacy iconography was both a parody and yet supposed to look cool.
>>212585668 (OP)I guess they should all just die and let Chaos reign
>>212585668 (OP)This is all secondaries arguing over fluff. 40k is perfectly gatekept by GW itself and insane prices.
>>212585917> both a parody and yet supposed to look coolThey’re going to kill it the way they killed d&d to make it inclusive for xeveryone
>>212585895Heroic sacrifice and unwavering faith in ideals unto death is cool. A government that will nuke a planet over a citizen getting a cold is not cool. I can simultaneously acknowledge both of these things.
>>212585754Many people use fiction to guide their principles.
>>212585957I've considered getting into painting minis. Then I realized I have neither the skill or patience after some of the best stuff out there.
>>212585691You care. You care too much.
>>212586018There are workarounds.
>>212585967rule of cool is famously a narrative trope not a reality-based one. again the criticism is of people who don't seem to recognize that.
>I was just being a Nazi ironically!!1yeah alright
>>212585668 (OP)The reward for mercy is treachery.
>>212585966for everyone except straight white men that is
>bigot can't accept other viewpoints
I have seen this many times before.
>>212585668 (OP)It's amazon, of course they will ruin it.
>>212586063how much of a square do you have to be to regulate people enjoying pretending to be space nazis
>>212585717No one is capable of writing a story in its established setting anymore. Everything has to be shrouded in 2025 current world issues.
They actually think that "For the Emperor!" will make people unironically want to live in a dictatorship. It shows how much they believe in mind control and propaganda. More than necessary desu.
>>212586081I don't, I played the game when I was twelve. I'm just translating from liberalese for your benefit.
>>212586102You telling me you won't flock to this guy's banner?
>>212586102Nobody wants to live in that world.
>>212585717>>21258579240k universe is inconsistent and imperium is what the writer it wants to be. In one story the imperium can purge 1000 planets, in another it's benevolent and has only 500 planets total
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>>212585754This is why Boba Fett TV series was utter shit, why can’t they just make a TV show about a true bad guy doing bad guy things.
>>212585797Why is it wrong? Show us your brain power. It is totally right in this fictional setting to crush heretics and xenos. A ruthless militant dictatorship is needed in this scenario.
>>212585668 (OP)It would be one thing if that intolerance came from unsubstantiated prejudice, but in 40k there are literal demons that will spawn and overrun an entire planet if you don't do anything about it.
>>212585715That tranny has made their whole micro celebrity career out antagonizing the 40k fanbase and "owning the chuds"
>>212585668 (OP)Amazon ruins everything. They haven't let go of the woke die bullshit yet either.
Honestly the only hope is for cavill to have complete creative control (under GW rules) without some hollywood or amazon retard meddling in it.
>>212586159>Breaking Bad>The Sopranos>Sons of Anarchy>Joker
>>212586102>controlMen prefer order over chaos typically. The Emperor offered order in a chaotic hellscape. Women will never understand because they're inherently corrupted by chaos.
>>212585967sorry man, when you like something, you absolutely have to support every single facet of it as you become a living avatar of what it represents both in real life and in in-universe. that's just how it goes these days
>>212585957Fantasy and 40k are weird instances where secondaries greatly outnumber the core player base. After all, playing a video game, reading a novel or listening to n-th Youtuber read a Wiki entry is much cheaper and easier then getting into minis.
>>212585717Lefty projection at its peak.
>>212586138Only if we had to fend off an alien invasion or put illegal migrants in death camps. :^)
>>212585668 (OP)It's an impossible situation.
It really dosen't matter what GW or amazon does because 40k is gatekept to the warp and back twice over and there's a bald guy who just whispered something about who he is in your ear also the dude over there with a kfc bucket on his head screaming waaagh at a 12 year old is considered a good friend.
Even if they forget ALL of that, then there's still an autist over there painting like he is transcribing the bible a horde of lore boomers who WILL not let you forget a single face legions of millennials screaming purge the heretic at any type of furry and or gay shit, even if they pass all of that....then they need to make normies stand in a GW shop for more than 3 minutes.
you can't fucking do that, are you dumb.
>>212586131You're a fag who doesn't know anything about 40k
Americans don't understand that WH40,000 is a BOARD GAME where the lore only exists to facilitate the aesthetics. They take everything way too literal and strangely. As if we haven't already realized that it's a game about insane people fighting insane people decades ago. They only just got it, probably because they only just learned what Warhammer is.
>>212585668 (OP)Amazon is a cancer on this planet and ruins everything they touch
>>212585668 (OP)Look woman, this isn’t for you. Go watch Barbie or some shit.
>>212586198They famously made a Joker sequel specifically to tear down the character because he got too popular with the wrong audience.
>>212586249I also don't care about it any more. I just wanted to point out that you are intentionally misinterpreting the OP tweet in order to pretend to yourself that you are a clever boy who understands something deep that liberals do not.
Its quite simple. They want to feminise 40k because anything too masculine is a threat to the terrible matriarchy we are forced to live in.
>>212585846The 40k fanbase has been one of the most successful at gatekeeping, to the point that a lot of the progressives ran off and tried to make their own edgy game trench crusade, which ofcourse descended into a purity spiral
>>212585895>omg what if gamers rise up because of this!?!?!?
>>212586259The reality of 40k is throwing dice and if you suggest an app you are 100% getting told to fuck off because that is heresy.
I don't think zoomers will accept that at all.
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>>212586325>They want to feminise 40kThey do, they can't because the sisters are too cool for anyone to let go of.
>>212586330>The 40k fanbase has been one of the most successful at gatekeepinglmao, it's not even the best GW game at gatekeeping
>>212585668 (OP)You can't ruin that which is garbage to begin with.
>>212586018It really is insane the level of skill painters have these days, when I first got into Warhammer around the year 2000 the models that would win golden demon awards wouldn't even rank against the stuff people do these days
>>212586421Turns out know-how is very important and sharing it elevates the general level. Some tricks really make all the difference, but you can tell most Golden Daemon winners are clearly artists in their own right.
>>212586018>>212586421Don't the people who paint for Golden Demon spend a whole year painting their models?
>>212585668 (OP)40k was better when it still was a goofy satire. GW huffed their own grimdark farts too much. Fantasy was superior
>>212585668 (OP)Depends how well Cavill can influence the direction of the show, he's autistic about lore and absolutely loves Warhammer so if he can keep Amazon from interfering it should be good
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the biggest threat to our democracy is CHUDCELS who like a toy game about knights in space
>>212586421>It really is insane the level of skill painters have these daysI saw a little dude a while back using a pin to make his necrons "look more real" they look amazing
>>212586285What I find funny is despite tourists and feminists trying to force fem marines the few girls who are actually into Warhammer are almost exclusively Tyranid or Ork players
The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
Burn the Heretic. Kill the Mutant. Purge the Unclean.
"if you don't hold your ground, people will fuck you over" is a pretty straight forwardly correct stance, no matter who you are.
I believe this is the exact sentiment people hold toward fascism. "It has to be fought, and not an ounce of tolerance is acceptable".
Oh but that's different, clearly.
>>212586325Women have to be able to enjoy everything all the time. We can’t have separate media for each gender anymore unless it’s purely for women.
I think shooting someone in the back of the head can be merciful.
>>212586308No I'm not, Kya is a well person in the Warhammer community, all that tranny does is try to push fem marines and other woke shit, he is the Anita Sarkisian of the Warhammer fanbase, just a low level political agitator
>>212586546You forgot the eldar fembot that shows up to suck the joy out of the room and has like 20 measuring tapes and rulers.
>>212586554hmm, this seems problematic
>>212586398Well that's true, the bloodbowl fanbase is much more based
>>212586646>Someone managed to shatter a dice Yep bloodbowl
>>212585668 (OP)The Emperor of man will be a strong black queen that don't need no man.
>>212585717Anything functional sends the wrong message to brown/ jew earth
>>212585754not sure why you say they when we have an entire board of posters who use 40k as their life philosophy
>>212586218not even secondaries, fucking tertiaries outnumber the secondaries. People who only get their knowledge about 40k from copypastas
>>212585725This is the cyberpunk story with extra steps.
>>212586884maybe GW should make more games/movies/shows that follow or add something to the larger plot
primaries gatekept so hard they excluded themselves from the equation
>>212585717It's an intentionally over the top GRIMDARK game for fun you're not supposed to shit your pants over it.
>>212585668 (OP)Try and make what message about the Imperium? Why is this fat woman saying that a minis tabletop game with a 99% men audience up till now and who also used to get sneered at and despised for playing and painting toys should now convey some progressive message and disclaimer, when all the people who played the game already knew it wasn't real and just wanted to enjoy their mean knights in space being extra zealous and righteous for fun?
I'm not very familiar with the Warhammer 40k lore, is there any GOOD faction at all? The Imperium is clearly evil, and the heretic guy, Horus (basically Prigozhin of that world) is evil too. But if I recall correctly, the elves are evil as well. Is there not a single somewhat good faction that wants a free, economically prosperous, peaceful world built on bleeding-heart libertarian principles?
>>212585725>Introducing space marines in the third episodeNo, space marines should not be in the first season, at most have them hinted about or arrive in the very last scene of the last episode, I'd prefer if they didn't appear till the end of the second or third season, they need to be built up as a big deal, as the legendary demigods people in universe see them as. Also they should be wearing the classic mk7 Aquila armour not the new primaris mk10 armour
>>212587244There's like 10 thousand Empire planets. Some of them are just parallels to modern or historical Earth, living peacefully with barely any concept of the Imperium except it's a power they're loyal to until shit hits the fan and they're genocided by aliens/hell monsters.
>>212587244The imperium are the good guys, they are the only ones actively trying to eradicate the evils that plague the galaxy
>>212586358Cool meme and all, but he loses all the time, just like all real-life Holocaust deniers. Despite having 7+ years of experience, he still loses. It probably has something to do with his low IQ. All Holocaust deniers have room-temperature IQs. All the evidence of the Holocaust is out there. If you cant go to Auschwitz, you can just read a fucking Wikipedia article and know that the Holocaust was real.
>Have a literal deity that elevated mankind to the stars and beyond
>Demons that want to use your spine as a towel, make you eat your mother, spread space HIV and rape you in this order are real and constantly a threat everywhere there happens to be a sentient being
>But the imperium is bad because it's oppressive
Fuck yeah it has to be, make your decision. It's satanism vs humanic deity, and that's the fun part. You can larp extremes without going all "wheres my hecking grey jedis"
>>212587341There's a million imperial worlds
>>212585668 (OP)Can I ask you cucks something? Because I assume all of you are like, "I learned about Warhammer in 2020" people.
So you people (yes, literally you) say "OMG da Imperum is raycis and mean! NOT THE GOOD GUYS!" and ok, technically that's a way of looking at the world. But in the context of the actual worldbuilding, there is no "other option". There is no where to place your liberal sensibilities that will be like "Ok THEY are evil, but I like THESE guys, they're gonna win and be the good ones!"
Like, there's no social justice people in the universe who are protesting to bring down the "fascist Imperium" and replace it with an equitable, racially heterogenous, liberal social governance.
>>212587362Ratty putrid vermin heeb claws posted this
>>212587378The Emperor doesnt want to be worshipped and worshipping him is what led to the downfall of 40k's Imperium
>>212585668 (OP)Yeah we get it leftists are mentally and suicidal and will always put the outgroup first, open borders let the tyranids in
>>212585884>makes statement about a subject she doesn't understandThat's bad
>is open to hearing about it when called outThat's possibly good.
>>21258738640k has had niggers implanted in the shit since as long as I can remember way back to dawn of war. If you want to make a better example, talk about warhammer fantasy. Which has zero niggers in it except for green skins that are represented as them
>>212586171You could argue that unnecessary repression fuels anger, resentment and ultimately Chaos and that a more humane path could also ensure mankind's survival, since if I'm not mistaken there's a nascent daemon of all-good human virtues in the Warp that could be fueled and strengthened by this approach.
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>>212587416Daddy issues led to the downfall of humanity because Horus wasn't heckin hugged as much as he needed, dixit cuck Bowden.
>>212587362>The holohoax is real because Wikipedia told me soKek also he probably loses cause Ork players don't really chase meta cause they just wanna have a good time
>>212587386>there's no social justice people in the universe who are protesting to bring down the "fascist Imperium"There is, gene stealer cults and they are fucking mutated xenos scum
>>212587416I'd say Horus' massive mental illness caused it since that made the Emperor whatever he is right now. What followed is an emergency plan. And it's a shame yes that ordinary humans view a guy who shines like the sun and speaks to you inside your mind while killing demons like ants a god.
>>212585725>MC is a low-level ganger in a hiveAnon, by The Emperor, you give nightmares. I just can't with another MC being a fucking ghetto-loser that knows nothing about the universe and because a stupid and totally-avoidable error he becomes the target of all the factions.
The show isn't finished yet, and I already hate it thanks to you, because chances are they'll make exactly this cliché.
Hollywood needs an exterminatus.
>>212587588>who shines like the sun and speaks to you inside your mind while killing demons like ants a god.thats just a psyker
>>212587458"HE" is being facetious, Kya is a well known personality and political agitator in the Warhammer community
>>212587610Well, yeah. The greatest one.
>>212587571Genestealer cults aren't protesting against the Arbites for clubbing a hive-ganger to death. They just kill people and replace them.
Look, my only point is: Letting women and retards into hobbies was a mistake. This is a woman who proudly brags about owning and playing "12 armies and counting" in Warhammer, her whole fucking social media persona is Warhammer shit, and yet she literally is having a random sperg-out over a random line of dialogue that is literally echoed on every page, in every picture, in every spoken word, in every artwork and writing and production across the entire hobby. But still she's like "Um guys don't forget that liking this stuff makes you a fascist!"
>>212587628>heYikes, should have guessed. A tranny in warhammer isn't there to paint models, they are there to tell you about their transition
>>212585668 (OP)In 40k this makes sense though. It's not Star Trek where peace and exploration are the main focus. In 40k they have to use mutants to create openings through a literal hell on ancient ships where the fields are known to often fail and lead to daemon rape. And that's just to travel.
>>212587689Oh he paints models, and almost all of them are using the trans pride flag as the colour scheme
>>212586158>>212587341At this point, how many planets the Imperium actually rules? Because I don't know anymore.
>>212587777Neither does the Imperiun.
>>212586138Yes anon if a borderline immortal demi god psyker were to reveal himself and claim kingdom over all mankind I'd probably side with them.
>>212585769Whites are the demon worshippers. Your whole culture revolves around fornication, sodomy and drug abuse and you call anybody that goes against these thibgs backwards.
>>212585754>these peopleIt really is just women and men seeking the approval of women. Industrialization and suffrage detached women's hypergamous instincts from men. Where once they would've had husbands, now they only have the system. They obsess over reinforcing the authorities and their ideology like worker ants. Pour all their emotion and energy into it. Big brother is a big dead king on a throne and they fear that if they ever stop feeding him they'll be at the mercy of an inhospitable universe.
>>212585668 (OP)Cavill is doing /myarmy/ the movie >> Custodes, so ofc it will be shit, people on average want the Astra Militarum movie or the Space Marine movie.
>>212587851Cavill mains Custodes retard
Wait. Amazon? Yeah it’s ruined. They ruined the Expanse and they ruined the LotR and they ruined the Wheel of Time, etc.
Can we please stop letting Bezos win?
>>212585668 (OP)They butchered lord of the fucking rings.
Nothing is sacred.
>>212587873Yes, that's what I said .....
>>212587777The Imperium doesn't "rule" in the sense that the High Lords of Terra or any of the scribes and clerks and administrators in the Administratum there actually control anything that happens on any of the planets they claim jurisdiction over. Those planets only exist as names, figures, and locations on pieces of paper describing the movement of goods, tithes, and incident reports.
One of the major themes of 40k is that a lot, if not most, of the Imperial worlds are so far afield that it would take so many years for any administrator to get there to oversee anything that by the time they do, the planet has changed their entire system of government, religion, and society into something completely different. Worship of the Emperor mutates into a new religion with a new name, but with the same roots, and they forget that there even is a such thing.
It happens a lot. So there's no real answer because no one is actively keeping track.
>>212587777It's a RPG with the point being there are endless worlds you can play pretend with your soldiers on.
>>212587831Didnt he not wanted to be adored as a god he even got mad with one his sons becuase he is more reddit iluminated antireligions?
>>212586546Girls identify with the soulless horde of consumerists that want to ruin all the fun of the all-male factions
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>>212587945> endless worlds you can play pretendas long as your imagination falls within the limits of what society deems acceptable and makes sure to be heckin inclusive
>>212587777Depends I guess, how many do they still have direct control over or how many still follow imperial law and consider themselves part of the imperium cause there's lots of worlds cut off from terra but still operate as if they were still part of the imperium with all that entails, guard units, naval fleets, space marine chapters, inquisitors, arbites, planetary governors and so on
>>212586158>in another it's benevolent and has only 500 planets totalThat's literally just Ultramar and its "benevolent" but only by 40k standards.
>>212587952>Emperor: reeee don't worship me>autistically purge everyone worshipping him>oh shit faith fuel is the only thing keeping the angry demons at bay>Ok you can worship now
>>212587905What’s crazy is how much they double down.
>>212586546>TyranidsI don't understand this one, are they turned on by big dumb alien bugs?
>>212585691Its a universe where there are literal murder rape demons, spooky magic robot skeletons, and unrelentless planet eating bug monsters that all could kill you and everything you have ever know in an instant. And the problem this person has is that one of the groups is kinda racist towards these things?
>>212585668 (OP)hasnt the setting already been pozzed to hell and back by its actual creators?
amazon might actually for the first time make something thats true to the source material AND woke as fuck kek
>>212588054>oh shit faith fuel is the only thing keeping the angry demons at bay>Ok you can worship nowhe never said or did that.
>>212588098now you’re starting to get it
>>212588120>hasnt the setting already been pozzed to hell and back by its actual creators?no, GW isnt retarded enough to piss off the main customer base. At most they do virtue signaling once a year and forget aobut it
>>212588120It got Marvelfied starting with Newcrons. Going from soulless hordes of death machines for eldritch star gods they're just wacky space Reddit Egyptian maymays and Pokemon masters XD. And then the primarchs (some) came back so it's ending up kinda gay now. They toned down the grimdark aspect a lot.
>>212585895>ahhhh le authoritarian state is so crazy and dystopian having zero tolerance is craaaaazy and could only be desired in parody!A concept that could only come from people living the most prosperous and pampered lives in history.
Just look at El Salvador. Turns out that when dozens of innocent people are getting gruesomely murdered every fucking day, people start warming up to the idea of the 'oppressive autocracy' that actually locks scum away without ''''due process''' instead of letting them continue skinning people alive.
The message should never have been
>oppressive autocratic systems bad!It should have been
>society degenerating to the point that it needs an oppressive autocratic system badBut of course that involves setting boundaries and being mean sometimes so hippies couldn't have that.
>>212585668 (OP)I don't think Amazon has what it takes to keep the integrity of the lore and the universe. They're not too different from Disney, which would eviscerate such an IP, but they at least had that Secret Level episode about it and that seemed good enough.
>>212585668 (OP)>they rope nerds in with "MUH EMPEROR" trailers and battles>8 out of 10 episodes is all about some resistance cell of heretic homosexuals with Kilmonger hairstyles, bitching about the Imperiumcalling it
>>212588120What do you mean?
There has always been female custodians.
>>212587461> except for green skins that are represented as themThey’re cockney football hooligans you double elgi. The shamanism is representative of the fact Londoners call their various streets tribes
>>212588145He powers up His most ardent worshippers into living saints I think it's fair to say He changed His mind
>>212585668 (OP)Games Workshop is doing a pretty good job of that on their own.
That being said Darktide comes closest to the correct tone.
>>212588079by rapist bugs like genestealer
>>212588368I don't think that thing on the Goldeb Throne is the same Emperor who led the Great Crusade.
The more of a Warp entity he becomes the more his is at the mercy of the collective hopes and prayers of Humanity
>>212588079They like cute little buggy bois or something, idk but it's extremely common to the point nids are referred to as the gf army
>>212588145he was stuck in a spoopy thone by then
>>212588368There's the human on the throne, and then there's the warp entity that formed due to the imperial cult.
>>212588028Leftists no effect on my imagination. Please get a hobby besides raging on the internet.
>>212585754Unironically a lack of media literacy. They can't understand that stories are self contained and fictional worlds exists for their own sake. Nabokov wouldn't be able to write Lolita today not because of it's content, but because he would be raked over the coals by people claiming he's a pedophile.
>>212588326>>212588356>>212588391Custodes are for gay power level obsessed faggots.
They are going to reintroduce the Sensei soon as to be even better than them
>>212588201remeber the tau dicksucking with that ps2 game?
>>212585691That's cute now stand against the wall
>>212588459>but because he would be raked over the coals by people claiming he's a pedophile.People do that anyway.
>>212585668 (OP)Chuds worship the emperium because they are impotent in real life.
>>212588299it would be funny if its horus heressy but horus its right and good guy
>>212588429The Emperor becoming an actual god capable of smacking the Chaos ones in the Warp instead of a super powerful corpse bound to a chair is a better outcome.
>>21258853030k and the Horus Heresy was a mistake, they should have kept those events shrouded in myth.
>>212588540Maybe, but that would contradict the whole theme of Humanitys final decline.
Bringing Bobby G back was gay too.
>>212588120The actual creators retired years ago, the people who currently run it have tried to pozz it but they have faced alot of resistance from the fanbase, they've tried to push through some stuff like female custodes but there's usually a lot of backlash, it's why they are desperate to replace the current fanbase with casuals but casuals don't want to pay their retarded prices so they're stuck with the lore autists and can't risk pissing them off too much if they can't replace them
>>212588576>Maybe, but that would contradict the whole theme of Humanitys final decline.the entire story right now contradcits the theme of humanity's final decline, they're getting all the primarchs back and going full marvel avengers
>>21258857630k is the best wargame GW makes now
glad roguetrader wasn't contaminated by these freaks
>>212587362This is great bait lmao, or could just be jewish
>>212588590I think the Primaris Marines designs and the general rounding off of the traditional "boxy" look is worse than Female Custodes.
Compare classic Dreadnoughts to nudreadnaughts.
>>212588616I'm aware and it's gay.
>>212588120And when I say lore autists I mean it, one Italian guy who runs a FB group and YouTube channel learnt English purely so he could read the original untranslated books so that he could learn the lore better
>>212588616cant wait titus doing the tony stark move against chaos
>>212588656Having Titus and his sidekicks space harrier into the final planet and not use a drop pod was lame.
In fact I don't think the game has you drop in once, it's all Thunderhawk insertions.
>>212588590kinda plausible that this show will be catered to the imaginary new magical LGBTQ+++++++ fanbase that does not exist then with full support from the bluehair army at Amazon and GW themselves
>>212588727Do primaris even use drop pods?
>>212588470One fucking game where a tau fire warrior kills a handful of space marines when their attention is divided between chaos forces is a no no dicksucking, but a gazillion handful of marines/joe bumfucks wiping out entire legions of chaos marines, high level daemons, fighting off traitor primarchs and entire hive fleets and craftworlds snd raider parties? Nothing wrong here
>>212588633its not? i heard it was pretty fucked and the devs are known for saturating their games with fags and troons
>>212588755Why wouldn't they?
Also you are a classic marine in the intro, in what is presumed to be a suicide mission, and they still waste a t-hawk to get you planetside.
>>212588576I like guilliman, him "defeating" mortarion was fun. Bob is his last big toy that's active on the battlefield and he gets to keep him. Decent dialogue in the throne part.
>>212588459>Nabokov wouldn't be able to write Lolita today not because of it's content, but because he would be raked over the coals by people claiming he's a pedophileThat's exactly what happened when he published it lol. He couldn't even publish it with a major publisher or any of his past publishers. He published it through a pornographic press. It wasn't until 5 years later (and if after it had received some critical praise) that anyone tried publishing it, and even then it was not at any major press.
>>212588777i dont see a tau firewarrior being capable to use a bolter without being destroyed by the recoil then get frienemy at the end with humans
>>212588804It's fun in a different way than what I want out of 40k, let's just say that.
This version of 40k is the one they want to sell to normies, so they are busy sanding off all the rough edges they think that can get away with.
>>212585850GW is seeing in real time what happened to their Age of Shitmar. The Old World made agrimdark fantasy comeback. There's more AoS boxes gathering dust in stores than TOW boxes now. The new WH40K bookseries Dawn of Light with a new DIVERSE cast hasn't been the same blockbuster Horus Heresy was.
So the question is, how much money GW is ready to gamble away with a woke WH40K show. If it gets the same reception as Amazon's Lord of the Rings the hobby loses all the hype it stil has, thanks to new video games.
>>212585668 (OP)I can't even imagine being that stupid but apparently its not that uncommon among 4k fans.
>>212589045They are trying to fuck up TOW best they can.
The Grand Cathay lorebook is literal Chinese propaganda.
>>212588653Med autism is rarer but when it occurs it's one of the purest and most virulent strains.
>>212588853fire warriors have their own form of power armor and thats all you need. Sisters of Battle use bolters
Normies ruin everything, reason why I have critical anime fatigue
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>>212588746Yeah but Cavill is autistic about the lore so there is hope, it just depends on if he can keep control of production and stop Amazon interfering with it
>>212589301no, theres no chance of that as he tried to on The Witcher and couldnt do shit
>>212588794leftists review bombed the game because they didn't add gay marriage and the devs basically said tough luck lmao
>>212589339he wasnt the producer for The Witcher
>>212589362but there is gay marriage in rogue trader?
>>212589412wasnt aware of that
slight hope then
>>212589339Difference is he was just an actor on the witcher, he owns the television rights to 40k and is the head producer of this show, not foolproof but he has alot more control than he ever had with the witcher
>living on a non disclosed planet far from the imperium grasp
>oh man, have you heard? the imperium of man is really bad and the inquisition is too evil, im glad theyre far away from us
>neighboor becomes Khorne worshipper / genestealer cult appear / necrons;orks;dark eldari invade / whatever evil shit happens
>but im glad the control freaks of the imperium are far from here teehee
>>212589424Abelard, throw this anon out of the airlock.
>>212585754Leftists and redditors are not emotionally mature. Which is why even their fiction has to validate them.
They never moved on from their teenager phase.
>>212586102Alright, look at the MAGA US right now.
And Emperor is Infinitely more cool and badass and charismatic than Trump.
So yeah, there is that - people are retards enough to want to live in the dictatorship.
>>212585902Playing DoW and watching Gundam Seed at the same time was trippy.
>>21258633040K gatekeeping is someone being confident in their knowledge of lore only to be chopped down
if youre weak you probably fold but if its a race war related thing then its decently fun flexing and banter
>>212589551I feel like people don't have a good grasp on the concept of necessary evil these days, or even a necessary inconvenience.
The most egregious one I saw recently was that "There are no good or bad guys in Trench Crusade".
I feel like Literal Actual Hell are definitely the bad guys.
>>212589551Wow it's almost like the point is that beyond a certain point, organized society becomes more more about sustaining itself; the individual is meant to be consumed by society
>>212586102It's projection because Internet leftists love to style themselves in their avatars as uniformed red guards in the style of Soviet propaganda.
>>212585668 (OP)seems like the ideology of the modern left
>>212585668 (OP)Horus heresy ruined it already. Only left to see how shit it can go.
>>212585668 (OP)>AmazonLmao it's over
>>212587770kek trannies are insufferable
>>212589650So just to be clear, the fiction we’re referring to here isn’t validating you at all, right?
>>212589807It goes further than that, in Trench Crusade it's specifically the notChristian that is all kind of fucked up while the notMuslims are quirky but wise scientists and the notJewish are special knights that can survive the corruption of Hell itself. I don't know if they've expanded on the lore since then but I completely lost all interest afterwards.
>>212589807>evil is defined by the torment and misery of life >no you don't understand, our torment and misery is actually le goodChrist showed you the path of God through ascetic living and detachment from life. Everything else is the vanity of man. Trench Crusade is fucking retarded. Tradcels are fucking retarded.
>>212589988>Christ showed you the path of God through ascetic living and detachment from life.Not really.
>>212589807Hell is created inside people, in their minds.
>>212586198All of those goes out of their way to make sure the main character is sympathetic and they are usually up against someone/something worse to overcome.
>>212589988btw for those who don't know, pic related is the "good guys", using skinned children as drones because apparently the only thing that constitutes righteousness is le heckin Jesus, not actual ethics pertaining to him.
>>212589988>Christ showed you the path of God through ascetic living and detachment from lifethen why do we need to go to church every sunday?
>>212585668 (OP)I don't think that shits even gonna come out and that's probably a good thing (although I will grant Amazon that the new season of Panty and stocking is great so far, but letting something be great is a far cry from making something great yourself)
>>212585668 (OP)>There's a deep message in these purposely cartoonishly exaggerated fictional racesThis is what media literacy does to you
>>212585691You should care considering the amount of raw autism the fanbase breeds. It will spill everywhere
>>212589932>Troon at my local>Looks like every speedrunner you can imagine>The painters staring at me>The owner pointing at me >Me
>>212590070So according to the authors of Trench Crusade using skinned children as combat drones is in line with Christian ethics?
>>212589968I don't need validation from fiction, at the same time I will consume products that I like. Those works that I don't like or that are not of my liking can be ignored.
leftists and redditors can cry all day about wanting x stuff to appeal to them, but that's just because they are mentally inmature.
>>212589650>Leftists and redditors are not emotionally mature.Because they all had weak fathers.
>>212585668 (OP)40k is pro-trans now so they'd make the perfect adaptation
>>212590282No, I'm arguing about the concept of "necessary evil". There is no such thing. It's only evil.
Judge Dredd made me realize the police should have unlimited power.
>>212589045They just dont get it, no one wants to see blacks or women in stuff. They are killing their IPs for fags. When will it end?
>>212585668 (OP)Why do these niggerfaggots think that fictional universes need the same morals as ours?
>>212590552>They just dont get it, no one wants to see blacks or women in stuff. They are killing their IPs for fags. When will it end?BlackRock is a major shareholder of Games Workshop.
>Me own son a fookin Krieg supporter.
>>212590282nta but I remember reading something about them wanting to 'criticize' religion..
the thought that I imagine is present here is that since the religion tells that that is okay, or simply allows, then such things will appear, even if they are abhorrent
>Christian ethicsthe game has zero. this is their wacked version of 'christianity'.
One big fear I have is if Amazon (with GW) wants a multiverse to milk 40k beyond death (just like Disney did with Marvel).
Rant in /lit/
>Horus Heresy, daddy issues and other retarded motives for treason
>40k fans: what if we repeat the same mistakes (retarded writing) of GW but changing the legions (Nathaniel Garro, Vulkan TRAITORS?! WTF?!)
>the only good thing: seeing Erebus, Typhon and Abaddon (First Lord of Terra and First Master of the Black Templars) being ultra-loyalists was pretty wholesome
Can we just return to when Chaos was just funny demons doing a little trolling and Horus was a clone of the Emperor (and not a son of Him with Erda) that betrays Him because he believes he can be a better Emperor rather than 'cuz Chaos' corruption? PLEASE.
Do you remember the Necrons, Old Ones, Kroks, Eldar, other xenos, other human civilizations, other xeno-human civilizations?
Their lores are just accumulating dust.
PD: congrats Chaos, you won in the end. I swear, the most powerful Chaos God is the one that feeds from bad writing.
>>212590469Why wouldn't trannies exist in the Geiger cyber punk nightmare of the Imperium? Everyone is in fact transhuman. This is the dumbest thing to be caught up on. In fact, trannies only add to the narrative of the corrupt, decaying society the glorious Empire of Man has become.
>>212585668 (OP)>In a world where every single non human and most humans are trying to kill you, mercy should be used... So that you can get raped to death?Why do women who have consumed none of this setting try to make sweeping declarations on things they don't understand
In 40k violence is always the answer. Fascism works
>>212585691Its not even edgy anymore, its actually morphed into hideously safe redditor/vidya normie slop
>>212590670So true xirster
>>212590670They would exist, but in that setting they would have thrown all bio-females on their planet into a great furnace dedicated to Slaanesh/the God Emperor.
>>212590701>Fascism worksCorrection, (male) totalitarism works, fascism is just one head of the hydra.
>>212590070Its done as an alternative to Literal Actual Hell.
>>212590412You just like this product because it’s interesting and not at all because of any feelings of validation you might get from the politics contained in it? Because to be clear I’m not asking if you need validation from fiction, I’m asking if you’re getting it from 40k.
>>212585769Wait, that was Noomi Repace? She usually doesn't do it for me, but I guess when she's a psychotic elf it works.
>>212585754They're simpletons that have no ability to separate fact from fiction. You're expecting analysis and interpretation from people that have no capacity for it.
>>212590798I like 40K because I like the original Fallout and 40k was a huge inspiration for Fallout 1.
The grim over the top aesthetic appeals to me.
is that clear enough for you?
>>212590070why do they skin them
>>212590910Sure man. I just think you’re not being honest when you talk about leftists needing validation from their media while being a fan of 40k which has in universe propaganda that fits ostensibly right wing sensibilities as illustrated by posts like
>>212590701 and
>>212590776Maybe you’re not at all interested in that and just like gothic sci-fi, which is fair enough. It just smells like bullshit to me.
>>212591083>It just smells like bullshit to me.nta but no one cares
>>212585691this. warhammer is literally just fanfic tier writing. basically MLP for edgelords.
>>212585717>Genocide entire planets to prevent Tyranid swarms from gaining resources>Genocide entire planets because .0001 percent of them are tainted with Warp/Chaos>But don't be hecking racist tho!
One of my biggest fears is Amazon, alongisde GW, turns 40k into a multiverse to milk it beyond death (like Disney is doing with Marvel).
Rant from /lit/
>Horus Heresy, daddy issues and other retarded motives for treason
>40k fans: what if we repeat the same mistakes (retarded writing) of GW but changing the legions (Nathaniel Garro, Vulkan TRAITORS?! WTF?!)
>the only good thing: seeing Erebus, Typhon and Abaddon (First Lord of Terra and First Master of the Black Templars) being ultra-loyalists was pretty wholesome
Can we just return to when Chaos was just funny demons doing a little trolling and Horus was a clone of the Emperor (and not a son of Him with Erda) that betrays Him because he believes he can be a better Emperor rather than 'cuz Chaos' corruption? PLEASE.
Do you remember the Necrons, Old Ones, Kroks, Eldar, other xenos, other human civilizations, other xeno-human civilizations?
Their lores are just accumulating dust.
PD: congrats Chaos, you won in the end. I swear, the most powerful Chaos God is the one that feeds from bad writing.
>>212591104Of course no one cares, we’re just talking man. I’m not trying to evangelize anyone.
Why doesn't the Imperium simply vote for free healthcare?
>>212591083>Maybe you’re not at all interested in that and just like gothic sci-fi, which is fair enough. It just smells like bullshit to me.I will give a more ominous possibility, what if you are wrong and I genuinely like 40K for the grim aesthetic and I'm not searching for validations?
I'm not a redditor neither a leftist.
No character in the history of Warhammer would ever say the word 'Nigger'.
>>212591167I'm saying you're coming at this from an odd angle and assuming a lot.
>>212591203This. Even his original replye "So just to be clear, the fiction we’re referring to here isn’t validating you at all, right?" feels loaded.
Like what he is trying to imply here?
>>212591043>be human>be species with millions of years of evolution>aka, constant war to triumph (survive) and prosper (exterminate enemies)>somehow that's bad now despite being codified in our DNAThe fall of IQ is ruining our species.
>>212591180That’s entirely possible yeah. But also, I think saying only leftists look for validation in their stories is a pretty self-absorbed take, especially given how other anons who would definitely not identify as leftists talk about 40k in this very thread.
>>212591043The person who made this also considers the bugs in Starship Troopers to be victims
>>212585754Art is inherently political ;)
>>212591203>>212591234Oh simple, I’m saying that I don’t believe the “silly leftists needing validation from their stories” schtick you’re running with. It smacks of superiority complex bullshit, like you simply consume media on a much better level than other people do.
>>212591252>I think saying only leftists look for validation in their stories is a pretty self-absorbed takeOk, but I don't see how that is relevant to me.
I replied that leftists and redditors are not emotionally mature, you replied trying to imply I'm also looking for validation like them. I replied to you that's not the case and now you are using other people as examples.
There's no argument here, just "what about you" or "what about them" ism.
>>212591337Leftism's current form in America is one of anger, rage, hate, disdain, resentment, and exclusion. I don't think it's a stretch to claim they can't handle opposing messages in media, because I've seen it myself a million times. I've seen it in real life and here on the internet. I think you're lying to yourself.
>>212591337Okay, that's your opinion and all.
>like you simply consume media on a much better level than other people do.I wouldn't say that, but I can say that I'm on a better level as a person than them.
>>212590910that other retard just feels attacked because he believes everyone is as big a culture warrior as he is.
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>>212591158I would definitely turn up for a Badab war adapatation
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>>212586330>to the point that a lot of the progressives ran off and tried to make their own edgy game trench crusadeIs that what that is? I've seen some concepts that seemed cool but never really got into it. That's kind of a waste desu
>>212591444Indeed, his replies feel like he wants to defend leftists but not directly. That's why he started with the classic "what about you". He was smacked down and now he is trying to use other people as his argument.
Those leftists redditors, never learn.
>>212591181Yes, I believe the 40k term is 'abhuman'.
>>212591406>Leftism's current form in America is one of anger, rage, hate, disdain, resentment, and exclusion.I think when you write things that show as little self-awareness as that, it lends me to believe what you’re saying is bullshit. You’ve just described the last (at minimum) twenty years of right wing discourse and slapped the label of leftism on it.
>>212591371I’m saying you’re lying, and I’m using other posts from other people as an example who use similar rhetoric you do, talking about leftists or redditors or women. I do think you get validation from the in universe propaganda of 40k, shit like “mercy is a disease, intolerance is the cure”.
>>212585715because women like her control what happens to our hobbies, 40k is about to get executed on site
>>212591452Me too if the whole Chaos BS is removed and its done by people that actually know and love 40k. Not by Amazon or some other (((corporation))).
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God emperor or random space marine?
They can't have fucking 40k without Tom Holland
>>212591562>I’m saying you’re lyingAnd I'm saying you are wrong. Because 40k appeals to me for completely different reasons.
The reason you have to accuse me of lying and imply I'm getting validation from 40k is because otherwise you have no ground to stand on, which is true. Your whole argument falls flat just by me saying, no I'm not looking for validation in my media or in 40k.
And you are bothered by me saying that leftists and redditors look for validation in their media, which is true.
>>212590740>say trannies obviously exist in a dystopia>get accused of being a tranny
>>212591169Democracy never made it off that one quarantined hive on Necromunda.
>>212591662Yeah, I think you’re a liar, because you’ve already stated you believe you’re better than other people than leftists/redditors/whatever. The superiority rhetoric of the imperium in 40k is in line with those beliefs, and I think you do get validation from it.
>>212591562>You’ve just described the last (at minimum) twenty years of right wing discourse and slapped the label of leftism on it.Are you blind to politicians calling for violence and supporting Leftists as they rampage? Are you blind to the fact that they live by emotion, lacking common sense? Are you blind to how they walk in lockstep with each other? Do you not see them as they are?
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>>212591455Upgraded version.
>>212591991>Are you blind to politicians calling for violence and supporting Leftists as they rampage?I’m not blind to the fact that the vast majority of liberal politicians actively hate leftists for trying to upset the status quo instead of just falling for the same tired Obama-era rhetoric about fixing everything through incremental change.
>Are you blind to the fact that they live by emotion, lacking common sense?This is hilarious, have you ever talked to conservatives, especially religious conservatives? Common sense is foreign to them. I see conservative boomers trying to blame the floods in Texas on weather modification because to them there HAS to be an evil plot to blame.
>Are you blind to how they walk in lockstep with each other?Leftist infighting is literally one of the defining tropes of that side of the political spectrum, try and choose a different argument.
>Do you not see them as they are?I do, but you might need to have your eyes checked.
>>212590670>>212591666because not all societal decay is the same. transgenderism is "gender liberation, postmodernism, hyperindividualistic hedonism" decay
>>212591169We can't just deport the undocumented Chaos Marines, Tyranids and Dark Eldar, that would be inhumane for asylum seekers.
>>212592201Long fancy way of saying it's faggot shit
>>212592123>I’m not blind to the fact that the vast majority of liberal politicians actively hate leftists for trying to upset the status quo instead of just falling for the same tired Obama-era rhetoric about fixing everything through incremental change.Are you blind to politicians calling for violence and supporting Leftists as they rampage?
>I see conservative boomers trying to blame the floods in Texas on weather modification because to them there HAS to be an evil plot to blame.I see leftists blaming Trump, again, when he didn't do anything. They mention FEMA cuts, but there's no correlation.
>Leftist infighting is literally one of the defining tropes of that side of the political spectrum, try and choose a different argument.Complete nonsense. They vote in lockstep, and we can see that with empirical data.
>I do, but you might need to have your eyes checked.You're living in an unreality homie
>>212592123>>212592238get acquainted with the italian elite theory and unburden yourself from this partisan nonsense
>>212592318You're not wrong here.
>>212585967Whatever's going on here is so much cooler than the new art
>>212592238>Are you blind to politicians calling for violence and supporting Leftists as they rampage?If fucking only. Instead we get useless bastards like Chuck Schumer.
>I see leftists blaming Trump, again, when he didn't do anything. They mention FEMA cuts, but there's no correlation.No, the people who lived there genuinely fucked themselves over due to sheer irrational hatred of democrats.
>Kerr County did not opt for ARPA to fund flood warning systems despite commissioners discussing such projects nearly two dozen times since 2016. In fact, a survey sent to residents about ARPA spending showed that 42% of the 180 responses wanted to reject the $10 million bonus altogether, largely on political grounds.>“I’m here to ask this court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House,” one resident told commissioners in April 2022, fearing strings were attached to the money.And now they’re blaming weather modification because accountability is foreign to conservatives.
>Complete nonsense. They vote in lockstep, and we can see that with empirical data.Horseshit, there was a statistically significant number of leftists who abandoned Harris/Biden over their treatment of Israel and just stayed home. You didn’t see anything like that from right wingers despite them being mad at Trump over how he handled Covid, and the recent Epstein fiasco has barely dented his numbers with his supporters.
>>212592123useful idiot spotted
>>212592517>If fucking only. Instead we get useless bastards like Chuck Schumer.So you are blind to the leftist politicians calling and approving violence towards those they deem evil, got it.
>No, the people who lived there genuinely fucked themselves over due to sheer irrational hatred of democrats.That's not true at all. What are you smoking, brother? kek
>And now they’re blaming weather modification because accountability is foreign to conservatives.Yeah 'they' are huh? Whoa.
>and the recent Epstein fiasco has barely dented his numbers with his supporters.Maybe if the media didn't cry wolf for a decade about Trump, people would be more worried about this. However, leftist news outlets trained people to ignore negative Trump news because it was all bullshit for so long.
Ultimately, this guy
>>212592318 is correct, so I'm done arguing with ya goober. They're all buddies at the top.
>>212587834Basically this. Gatekeeping was super important and people didnt realize it. Also the civil rights act has been a disaster, anything that tries to gatekeep is now met with litigation. Its only one sided obviously
>>212587834That's why there's so many out of wedlock births in the black community. The government incentivizes no father in the home for full gibs, and that's by design. They made government the daddy of blacks so their evil mothers raise them and boom overly emotional gangsters with gay tendencies that will slit your throat for implying they're faggots... because they're so insecure and emotional like their momma.
>>212592621>So you are blind to the leftist politicians calling and approving violence towards those they deem evil, got it.It’s simply not happening no matter how much you repeat it.
>That's not true at all. What are you smoking, brother? kekI literally quoted you directly from the conservatives that lived there. They denied themselves the funds to improve their flood warning system because the money came from the Biden admin. And lo and behold, horrific floods with over 100 dead happened. You can’t even argue against it so you just glossed over it lol
>Yeah 'they' are huh? Whoa.Yeah man it’s pretty widely available info. Not only that, but a man recently tried to break the weather radar system at the local news station over the belief that it was modifying the weather.
>“Due to the recent weather weapon deployed against Texas, which resulted in a high number of child murders, efforts to eliminate this military treason are being escalated,” Meyer, who is commonly known as Lewis Arthur, wrote.>Hours later, a man broke into an enclosure containing the NextGen Live Radar system operated by News 9 in Oklahoma City, damaging its power supply and briefly knocking it offline. The man also damaged CCTV cameras monitoring the site, but footage shared by News 9 shows the cameras captured a clear image of his face before they were destroyed.
>>212592885>It’s simply not happening no matter how much you repeat it.Unreality, as I said. Good luck, brainwashed anon.
>>212592885>look at these outliers and crazy people doing crazy things>I will now apply this to all people I deem appropriatewhat a retarded point you tried to make, but man did you try
>>212585717>Obviously the crazy dogmatism of the Imperium is a vicious sign of political and cultural decayis it?
That dogmatism carried the imperium for 10000 years.
That's a pretty clear statement in favor of whatever they are doing.
>>212587297Fuck you I want vampire surfing in every episode.
>>212593268My man, they’re not outliers, that’s the issue. Those are just regular boomers who have lost touch with reality, and they comprise a pretty significant chunk of the conservative voting bloc.