Thread 212586152

Is this Hollywood's greatest trilogy? It's almost like an OVA really.

>>212586152 (OP)
i want to fugg mouse

>>212586152 (OP)
LOTR is the greatest hollywood trilogy and it's not even close.

>maxtrixfags trying to vindicate the shitty sequels
We told you prequelfags this and we'll tell you too. No, the latest film being garbage doesn't make this slop good. Try to get it through your thick retarded skull.

>>212586174
The Transformers trilogy was excellent too.

>>212586174
i want to fugg frodo

>>212586152 (OP)
I remember the 2 sequels were quite derided at the time. I personally loved them and saw them in the cinema on release - still got the really good DVD boxset.

>>212586235
i want to fugg sam witwicky

>>212586152 (OP)
Went straight to shit after the first good movie

>>212586287
It looks so bad and fake, it's pure opposite of the first movie's amazing spectacles. I was so mad at the time. The fact that I have learned so much since about dharma etc, which overturns one's world understanding of the world, made me think maybe I should watch it again because maybe the 'philosophy drivel' stuff will actually turn out to be things that I now recognize. But then I see this and remember I didn't hate it because of philosophical burbling, I hated it because of dogshit CGI. It also has no mystery or stakes or mind blowing concept like the first one, but these are insignificant in the light of just how fucking gay and crap it the effects look especially now that fucking characters were effects. Neo looking and moving like woody from toy story. Never wanted my money back more

>>212586416
I've rewatched both now and again over the years, and I feel you can take from them whatever you feel especially with how technology is advancing now with AI. I remember feeling even at the time some of the CGI was iffy, but it has its charm somewhat.

>>212586416
tl;dr
kys yammering faggot

Its not a trilogy there's 4 of them.

>>212586470
>bowling ball pin sound effect

>>212586902
kek it's true too.

>>212586470
I rewatched this scene daily as a kid, thought it was so much fun.

Matrix Reloaded is good

>>212587614
Yeah Reloaded is much better than Revolutions.

>>212586304
Correct. Shouldn't have ever been a trilogy.

It went from a kino 90s action movie to a really bad 2000s action movie. So much cringe

>>212587733
It was not planned to be theee movies to begin with. The two sequels were one movie, and the third movie was a prequel like Animatrix. But the studio scrapped the prequel so Wachowskies split the second movie into two.

>>212586152 (OP)
>greatest trilogy
>only one film is good

>>212586152 (OP)
>thread
I was gonna make an effortpost but then I'd realize gatekeeping is good, actually, so yeah keep thinking these movies suck.

>>212586152 (OP)
The first movie is the only good one.

>>212586470
when I was 13 this was the coolest thing I had ever scene in my entire life.

The movies made more sense at the time and made them greater than they would seem. A lot of it attributed to all the cross media thing they had going on, comics, games, short stories, websites etc.

>>212587693
Reloaded is great. There's nothing wrong with Revolutions, it's great too. 2 did all the awesome matrix stuff, 3 did all the awesome reality stuff that fans also demanded.

like the second and third films so much more if they just hadn't gone down that shitty
>neo has got powers in the real world too
plotline, its so fucking retarded and the whole
>well that could mean that the real world is another matrix too
discussion is so fucking inane

>>212588323
Neo didn't have "powers", he was given admin authority over real machines connected by wifi and it was extremely necessary since without he couldn't fight his way through to the Machine City and force them to make a deal for peace.

>>212586152 (OP)
>OVA
Imagine thinking something is good because it reminds you of chink cartoons and imagine thinking chink cartoons are inherently good. Grow up and fuck off.

Studios should stick to animated anthologies if they want to milk old franchises.

>>212588502
nice head canon

Cause... and affect.

>>212586174
>Lord of the Snores
Elf movies are for women and fags. Watch a real fantasy movie like Conan or Deathstalker 2.

>>212588596
You never actually watched the movie huh? You just watched "matrix explained" and "why everyone le hates the matrix sequels!" on youtube

>>212588738
if neo was given admin authority over the machines, who gave him the admin authority? it certainly wasnt the deus ex machina

>>212586152 (OP)
not a trilogy anymore

>>212588802
Did you understand the scene with the architect? He explains it all.

>>212586152 (OP)
It was for us latex fetishists.

>>212588922
that has absolutely nothing to do with him gaining powers in the real world
he defies going back to zion to repopulate the real world but at no point is it implied he'll gain powers in the real world

>>212586174
TTT and ROTK are real slogs though

>>212586470
I feel like this whole scene was added by corporate pressure. Smith just appears out of nowhere and that whole fight has no real consequence to the story. It's shoe-horned in.

>>212588730
>>212589006
>this is how desperate adhd zoomerfags are for attention
kek

>>212588802
The Oracle did just like she helped set the Smith-Virus into motion. They both became every more powerful as the matrix was corrupted. And their powers bled out into the real world through the electronics. Machine God wasn't going to make a deal. Oracle needed something to force it to. Architect tells her she played a very dangerous game.

>>212589171
maybe ill rewatch the trilogy with this in mind, at least it sheds some light on the events of the second and third films
i still don't like that ambiguity of powers "bleeding through the electronics" but thats the films i suppose

>>212589068
It represents the problem of the one vs the many
>>212589171
The oracle represents Lucifer

>>212589275
Was Lucifer saving kids that God wanted destroyed?

>>212588730
Deathstalker II is legitimately good

>>212586341
what was his plan here, just lay down on his back?

>>212589144
Have you tried watching TTT or ROTK lately? The CG bloat is even worse than Matrix and the world doesn't really have much more interesting to show past TFOTR

>>212589911
I have the open matte version but is this a film scan? Shame I didn't watch this.

>>212588722
>You're wearing her lipstick
>silly woman I don't have any lipstick, see?
>I didn't mean on your lips
kek Belluci was hot in this

>>212590385
I like it. He has no plan. He's up against a real agent with no idea what to do. He has a second to react and knows he'll likely die. He's not perfect like Rey Skywalker knowing immediately how to defeat the Agent. He flings himself backwards in a desperate attempt to avoid the bullets and is still hit.

>>212586470
I knew this movie was shit the second I saw this scene

>>212590600
It looked dodgy at the time but has somehow aged quite well.

>>212590600
The first part of this fight looks great. It's only when he whips out that rod that it becomes CG fest. If they had just stuck to the first part, this would have aged so much better. Regardless I think the highway scene in Reloaded is so good that it makes up for any shortcomings in earlier action scenes.

>>212590487
indeed

>>212590805
oh this scene? yeah fastastic

>>212590397
Try putting on some subway surfers you fucking goldfish

>>212590875
Great scene tbqh.

>>212590805
You people's ideas are so shit kek. I'm glad they don't let you make movies.

>>212590385
It was instinct

>>212589068
To me the scene demonstrates that the Oracle had Neo meet her there so that he would cross paths with Smith. If you think about it, for the majority of the plot, the characters don't do anything until the Oracle tells them what to do. that's not omniscience, that's just setting up the dominoes and watching where they fall.

>>212589275
>The oracle represents Lucifer
how?

>>212590875
Love this shit so much

>>212590944
one of those is not like the other

>>212590834
This scene went hard with the vampire themes. The Frenchman obviously looking like a real life Dracula, with his succubus close by. It's of course a costume party but there's also some imagery of him drinking blood. Vampires are often portrayed as very lustful creatures, with a penchant for women, food and alcohol. There is also an allusion to vampires in the first movie, with vampires and ghosts being mentioned as older renditions of Matrix.

I wonder if The Frenchman is actually a vampire program from a previous Matrix version in exile. Certainly the imagery alludes to it.

Speaking of Frenchman, I also wonder if the Wachowskis originally planned there to be some sort of civil war between programs. Mainly between Smith and the Frenchman. Both are highly ambitious programs capable of spreading their influence. Most other programs are self-contained and generally stick to their tasks. The final fight of course implies that Smith did find the Frenchman and also corrupted him.

>>212591814
Frenchman is the Devil from the earliest Matrix. His club is Hell and they have to fight through it. The myth of Persephone is that she's kidnapped by Hades and made to become his wifem

>>212591974
Well I wasn't that off the mark then. The visual imagery is quite powerful in these movies. The earliest Matrix was a utopia though, right?

>>212592104
That's probably where he got Seraph then. He somehow saved him but Seraph's angel wings got cut off

>>212586812
If the machines could see a person getting unplugged, why wouldn't they kill them outright instead of risking them finding their way to Zion?

>>212586174
This. Star wars is a distant but respectable 2nd place

>>212586152 (OP)
>It's almost like an OVA really.

>>212588273
The train man bs and the zion battle go on wayyyy too long.

The snith vs neo shit in 3 is still fucking Kino. The why do you persist monolog is one of the great villain monologs of cinema

>>212588862
Yes it is. As long as your 3rd movie ends with a punctuation and finality its still a trilogy within a larger series

>>212586152 (OP)
No but the 2nd and 3rd film are underrated.

>>212592658
Train man was really lame. They missed the mark with him. I liked the zion mech battle. It's pretty unique compared to other movies

>>212586152 (OP)
Did any one else notice that they touched up the CG in the 4k re-releases?

I specifically remember the slow-mo scene of that one agent bouncing off the car looking hella janky when it first came out and i re-watched it in 4k it looked way better.

>>212592336
Did you... not watch 2 and 3? Turning the other cheek and allowing people to exit the Matrix into Zion was secretly part of the plan all along.

Some real midwit takes on this thread. Shame there was a really good thread a few days ago with two autists going in depth in explaining the symbolism and everything

>>212590385
His plan was to just avoid the bullets, but he also subconsciously mirrored the agent's maneuvers; feet on ground with just the torso bending

best trilogy is Back to the Future

>>212594022
Link??

>>212594022
>>212594419
What did they discuss?? Why is the city in that weird shape?

I remember that Lana stated in an interview that there will still secrets about the Matrix that people have not yet even spoken about, that keep getting overlooked.

>>212594860
From the three movies? I wonder which scenes. Everything seems to have been picked apart thoroughly

>Smith: But, as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
>It is purpose that created us.
>Purpose that connects us.
>Purpose that pulls us.
>That guides us.
>That drives us.
>It is purpose that defines us.
>Purpose that binds us.
>Agent Smith: We are here because of you, Mr Anderson. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us.
>Agent Smith: Purpose.
The machines need Humans and don't want them to go extinct. Humans give the machines purpose.

>>212592615
Wachowskis are your pic

>>212593973
It's been long enough that I don't remember those details. I usually only rewatch 1.

>>212598089
You're only getting 1/3rd the story then

Last Flight of the Osiris was kino

I’m going to pick related tomorrow.

>>212600396
I'll sit right behind you.

>>212590834

>handle us? Youll handle us?
>I must say your predecessors had far more respect

>>212592615
the matrix is heavily inspired by anime but keep coping I guess

yes, matrix trilogy is kino from start to finish
LOTR drags on and gets boring with the aragorn dicksucking, ents, sieges

>>212590875
>>212590600
>>212586470
>>212586287
Nobody on this board is ever allowed to make fun of Indian movies or Indian people's taste, after defending this laughably badly rendered goofy dancey dogshit

>>212594419
>>212594860
See
>>212491631

I rewatched the first and second one just the other day. The dialogue in the second one is just boring. Every other sentence in the first one is memorable but barely anything of substance is said in the second.

>>212603572
Sorry to hear that. You should stick to Superman movies. They're more your level of dialogue.

Can't think of a more plebbit take than robotically dismissing Reloaded out of hand.
Thousand Smiths, Medieval weapons fight, freeway chase, Morpheus with a samurai sword, Trinity on a bike, the keymaker, the twins, the Merovingian, the architect, the music
Just bc the first one is the best doesn't mean the second one isn't worth your time

Is Trinity hot or mid?

>>212603572
Zion is boring

>>212586152 (OP)
The first film is perfect. One of the greatest heroes journeys put to screen. The sequels aren’t very good imo. Ps2 smith, convoluted sorry, retcons, bizzare dialogue and lore stuff. The action is still cool but it’s very style >substance.

The sequels perfect. One of the greatest trilogies put to screen. The sequels are very good imo. Ps5 smith, depthful story, perfect continuity, amazing dialogue and well crafted lore. The action is sooo cool and it’s very style = substance.

>>212605750
>depthful
Indian

>>212602943
when indian people do it it´s cringe but when kojima does it he's a genius

>>212586152 (OP)
not even top 10

>>212586287
Reloaded's CGI was very rubbery

>>212590944
The middle Reloaded guy is such a chad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQGerZE3bhs

>>212606211
This list is bereft of SOVL, gb2r

>>212586341
this is... less green than I remembered

>>212606819
That's how it originally was.

kino

kino but green

>>212608032
grok, what does trinity's suit smell like after a long day of fighting agents

>>212608063
Ask it that actually and tell us what it says. I've done many dirty stories with Grok.

>>212608063
The machines couldn't figure out what to make her suit smell like, so it smells like tuna fish.

>>212590397
I payed hundreds of dollars multiple times to watch all three of them in an opera theatre with a live orchestral arrangement performing

why didn't this kid fight Smith?

>>212608274
Too retarded.

>>212602943
Matrix Reloaded came out 20 years ago, this type of thing had never been seen before and was cutting edge at the time.

>>212602943
Fuck off weirdo.

>>212608565
What do you mean by 'this type of thing'? Because I watched this in the cinema enraged at how bad CGI neo looked.

>>212609303
You were stupid and stuck up your own ass then. It was groundbreaking and breath taking cgi for the time. No one owes you 1000x, giga-photorealistic, can't tell it apart from reality, cgi for it to be good.

>>212609399
It was trash when it came out. People were laughing at how goofy that scene looked

>>212609303
This trilogy was exceptional in the CGI department retard, go compare with other 1999-2003 movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYHaarxQTFk

You are literally making shit up. It was excellent for its time and holds up very well today.

>>212609474
this guy is actually right

>>212609303
If you were there, you'd understand. I don't need to explain shit.

The Machine City looks amazing on the big screen. I don't have any good screenshots

>>212606211
>meme wars THAT high

>>212612938
That's how you can tell it's a completely worthless chart. I mean come on, it has three random star trek movies and pretends they're a trilogy.

>>212609523
I had seen the mummy returns. I knew that as 'how not to do it'. That was part of the reason matrix 2 was so baffling. I thought of the matrix people as the ones who got it. And then I'm sitting there and it starts looking exactly like mummy returns.
But this is pointless to insist on because you made your bait too apparent with the posts like this >>212609399. If you're actually not doing a bit, I'm foolishly arguing with a 'learning disability'/70IQ guy

>>212586152 (OP)
which episode did the directors cut their dicks off?

>>212586902
God forbid there's levity in a movie!

It was peak

Also permanently relevant because we live in a simulation loosh farm

Matrix 4 sucked though. Now I'm afraid to watch the original trilogy because I might realize it was retroactively awful

>>212589068
How else are you to establish the looming threat that is Smith? You don't get that in the opening scene where we see him make a copy of himself. This is just the next step in that. Smith is a threat but he's not the primary threat at this very moment, but it's clear he will be.

>>212610882
these looked so fucking good. you catch a whiff of like samurai armor in their design.

The version thats on PlutoTV for free on your Roku right now doesn't have that shitty green filter. I don't think I've ever seen it without that disgusting shit before.

>>212615826
i get what they were going for but i prefer no green