Thread 212590864

>Best YTD & Record For James Gunn, Higher Than ‘Barbie’ – Box Office
Disney firing James Gunn will go in the books as one of their biggest blunders

>>212590864 (OP)
Chuds lost
Ice lost
Maga Lost

I'M A PUNKROCKER YES I AM

I'M A PUNKROCKER YES I AM

Saar. SAAAAAR! THESE ARE LIES MAGIC MADE BY THAT LITTLE RASCAL GUNN! IF NO BILLION BY THE NEXT WEEK IT FAILURED!!!!!!

>>212590864 (OP)
Disney is a company doing its best to the test the limits of what it takes to destroy a cash cow. The brand is already as dirty as Walmart.

>>212590864 (OP)
This will lose money

>>212591013
Money is secondary, the whole point of this movie is to get a good reception from the audience and to have people excited for the future of a franchise that's been in the gutter ever since Snyder.

>>212590864 (OP)
chudbluds I thought woke died...

>>212591170
>board was wrong about something
water is wet

>>212590864 (OP)
How much is the worldwide box office? I read that in China and Europe it is a box office flop.

>>212591074
From "$1 billion locked" to "moral victory"

i see the shill articles are getting thrown now to try and save the movie.

Good reviews and word of mouth is helping this movie a lot

>>212592194
International is under $22.5m. This is performing like Little Mudmaid and will probably finish the same ($570m)

>>212590864 (OP)
>>212590908
I'm not buying tickets for my kids to watch political slop shit

>>212592328
it is not that hard when both Marvel movies flopped .

>>212591074
>it will do 1b
>it will beat Man of Steel
>money isn't important

>>212590864 (OP)
fantastic 4 is literally projected to open higher than superman BTW kek

>>212592396
Dear oh dear!

>>212592372
They all had big opening weekends and fell off a cliff.

>>212590864 (OP)
Not even good

>>212592328
Cap 4 and Thunderbolts are the standard

>>212590864 (OP)
Holy fucking shit.
The jeets on this board really got shit on didn't they?

>>212592377
look up box office numbers for batman begins and tell me you need 1 billion out of the gate

>>212591074
>Retard calling out Snyder when his flick will make less than MoS without inflation.
Kek

>>212592601
>MUH BATMAN BEGINS Argument

You shills have been posting this in other threads and again and again anon's point out why you're flat out wrong

>>212592601
Superman will make 550-6500mil. You think Supergirl which is releasing next year is popular enough to make 1/3rd of it?

>>212592702
*550-650mil

>>212592585
its projected to make 600 million total. the "jeets" won this battle

>>212590864 (OP)
These posts have to be a bot or paid shills, right?
How much of a pathetic and embarrassing loser do you have to be to spam this board with so many capeshit threads.

#SECRETHAREM

>>212592702
The Clayface movie only has a 40 million budget so I assume the Supergirl one is also much lower than Superman. They're not SNOY tier retards pumping 100 something mil into a Morbius tier name

r rated clayface is such a weird thing to pump money into for the start of your cinematic universe. it'll be good no doubt, but how much could it even make?

>>212590864 (OP)
Snyderjeets are absolutely seething

>>212590864 (OP)
Holy shit why you motherfuckers have to make everything about politics? Just don't go watch the movie if you don't like it, you don't have to justify yourself with politics.

>>212591013
No it won't. It's guaranteed to be profitable. You lost, jeets.

>>212592800
$600 million adjusted for inflation is fuckin awful. That's like the equivalent of $350+ million from just 4 years ago. This movie needed to make over a billion to turn a real profit. That's a flop.

>>212593795
Massive cope from a massive streetshitter

>>212593615
I can't see anything about politics in the OP.

Superman is still going to flop. It has no legs and will get creamed by the Smurfs next weekend and flopping internationally. Monday show that Superman will be flopping

basically, it's gonna do good domestically and flop hard internationally.

>>212593830
> NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST POINT OUT FACTS THAT PROVE MY FAVORITE JEWISH CAPESLOP IS A FLOP! NOOOOOOOOO

>>212592702
How many boys do you think she could turn into girls in a timed, 3 minute speed fuck?

>>212590864 (OP)
>‘Superman’ Soaring To $22.5M In Previews
fuck Indians

>>212590864 (OP)
snyderjeets on suicide watch.

>>212592484
Very good 700 million locked

>25 million box office bomb
HOLY FUCKING LMAO AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>212595542
For now but 700 million locked in

>>212595568
>For now but 700 million locked in

Uhhh no retard in fact Box office analysts have it pegged at around $600M WW thanks to overseas being so dogshit

>>212590864 (OP)
Is no one going to point out that the international box office right now is incredibly soft? The reception overseas has not been overwhelmingly positive like it has been here in the states. Superman's going to have to really come in hot domestically in order to even have a chance of making $600 million worldwide. I think it is ultimately doable, but not having a strong international base is really going to hurt this movie.

According to recent reports, it's expected to do very well in Latin America, unsurprisingly, but Europe is mediocre. And Asian interest is abysmally low. China could have really helped this movie out.

No one can say for sure at the moment why Superman is struggling internationally at the box office, especially when a movie like Aquaman made a ton of freakin' money. My guess would be that Superman is very hard coded as an American icon, and as a result, is a tougher sell in other countries. He's viewed in the same way as a lot of people in other countries might view someone like, say, Captain America.

>>212596143
i noticed when the reviews were coming in the first anti superman ones were from Europeans and british websites.

i think the combo of being an american icon and being a more light and positive movie hurt it overseas

but now we wait, if fantastic four flops this is the dc era

>>212596143
Should have put a Chinese actor on the super friends team but then Gunn wouldn't have been able to hire his personal friends

>>212592268
Point to one credible article that said “$1 billion is needed”

>>212596521
Man of Steel made $925M adjusted for Inflation

If it doesn't beat that it's a flop, Gunn should resign and WB should bring Snyder on to finish his Justice League saga

>>212596681
Let me get this straight, you think that if James Gunn's movie flops, David Zaslav's plan is going to be to return to a filmmaker who probably doesn't even have that much interest in returning to begin with whose own movies were box office duds and were directly responsible for the current malaise that people feel towards the DC brand? Are you stupid? I'm asking earnestly.
Literally the only way you're ever going to see Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, and Ben Affleck in their roles again is if James Gunn succeeds with Superman and decides to do some kind of multiverse crap like Crisis on Infinite Earths or Kingdom Come. No one at WB from this moment forward is going to return to a poisoned well. If Superman flops, the best case scenario is that they will just stop making superhero movies.

>>212592697
I don't know how well the Gunn movie is doing and I'm not gonna bother comparing movie successes or failures, but I will say this:

"Adjusted for inflation" is the biggest brainlet meme of all time. You do not adjust for inflation when comparing movie successes, you still just do it the traditional way. Money made - money lost.

>B-b-b-b-but inflation means money is m-
It goes both ways, retard. The change of value in the box office means that it's also a change in value of the production. They both changed the same way.

>>212596844
>"Adjusted for inflation" is the biggest brainlet meme of all time. You do not adjust for inflation when comparing movie successes,
Blame Biden retard Movies from 10 years ago were have a 40% price difference

It does matter no matter how much you trannies scream otherwise

>>212596007
Look at the tweet “it is superb” retard

>>212596927
Ok, but like I said, the change of value applies to both the box office and the production of the movie equally.
You can't say that money's value changed for the audiences but that it didn't change for the people producing the movie. It doesn't work that way.

So no. You don't adjust for inflation. It's Money made - money spent. Like it's always been.

>>212596827
> Literally the only way you're ever going to see Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, and Ben Affleck in their roles again is if James Gunn succeeds with Superman and decides to do some kind of multiverse crap like Crisis on Infinite Earths or Kingdom Come
they will never grasp this
snydercult went out of their way to boycott and campaign against Black Adam even though Cavill was in the ending, they don’t actually care about the characters
it’s like MAGA in that it’s just about “owning the opposition” and destroying things, not building up

>>212596844
The problem with this is that studios typically don't disclose exactly how much profit they make from each movie. Which is why you have these supposed brainlets comparing movies box office and adjusting for inflation. These are the only numbers they have to go on. It also doesn't help that studios also typically lie about their production budgets. And seldom ever disclose their marketing budgets.

Superman is a bit of a unique case in that we do have a solid production budget and a solid marketing budget. The production budget is $225 million and the marketing budget is around $200 million. Again, there's a possibility the studio is not being honest about any of that. And there is current argument right now over whether or not the breakeven point is about 500 million or 600 million.

>>212596827
No one actually expects Snyder to come back, but we also don't want Gunnslop to take off
DC is better dead

>>212596960
>"hurr durr you don't adjust for inflation because production costs also go up"
Yeah, genius, and that’s exactly why you adjust for inflation.
So you can actually compare if a movie did better than one 10 years ago in real terms, not just because tickets cost 40% more now.

By your logic, a movie that sells half the tickets but charges double the price is just as successful.
Congrats, you just invented shrinkflation economics for capeshit.

You’re not comparing movies, you’re comparing years.
Might as well say "Gone With The Wind flopped because it only made 32¢"

Stay retarded.

>>212597045
>Superman is a bit of a unique case in that we do have a solid production budget and a solid marketing budget. The production budget is $225 million and the marketing budget is around $200 million
If the production budget is indeed 225 million, then it would make sense that the marketing budget is 200 million. I don't trust Hollywood numbers, though. For all I know, it's double that.

But yeah, my argument is that the success of the movie is simple to measure in that way if that's true. It's just Box office - 425 million. Then you compare that number with the same box office - money spent for the Snyder movies. Again, adjusted for inflation is a complete cope.

>>212590864 (OP)
Snyder bros....maybe now everyone will know just how good we once had it

>>212596947
The poster is referring to the DOM numbers being superb. DOM means domestic. Superman's OS numbers are rough, but DOM is better than expected and on-par with Barbie. OS means overseas.

>>212597045
>studios lie but we have solid numbers this time but the studio could still be lying about them and
yeah okay dude. the box office horse race is still a tedious discussion to be subjected to.

>>212597128
>By your logic, a movie that sells half the tickets but charges double the price is just as successful.
Yes, retard. That is objectively true.
If you got 100 sales at 1 dollars each and your rival co-worker got 5 sales at 30 bucks each, your co-worker is the one getting the promotion. Your co-worker is the one getting the go ahead to keep going with his plan. This is not complicated.

And Gone With The Wind is a perfect example. It cost 3 million dollars and made 402 million dollars. That's a yuge success. No, it didn't make a billion dollars, or whatever. It's not the most successful movie of all time.

>>212597236
I don't disagree. There's a reason why there is not much trust put in the big sites that do a lot of this information gathering. It's incredibly hard to predict, to project, and there is a substantial amount of misinformation and disinformation. Everyone has a very different agenda. Obviously, the specific studio's agenda is to make itself look good. The agenda of a lot of the major trades is to make Hollywood look good, because if Hollywood is successful, that means the trades are successful. And then of course, you have the studio's competitors, who want to make sure that they look better than their competition. It's a merry-go-round shit show that never ends.

>>212597065
Thanks for proving my point: >>212597030

>ruin movies for everyone else to own the libs
kys

>>212597150
Can you make this darker and decrease the contrast? I need to not be able anything at all.

>>212597243
"If your coworker sells 5 items at $30, that’s better than 100 items at $1"

Yeah, in your fantasy Shark Tank pitch.
In film, it’s about ROI, reach, and cultural footprint. If you sell 5 tickets for $30, that’s objectively worse than selling 100 for $1 if you're trying to build a franchise or justify a tentpole budget. Executives care about butts in seats because merch, sequels, brand longevity all of it depends on eyeballs.

>"Gone With the Wind made $402M, not a billion. Not the most successful movie."

Holy shit you're stupid.
Gone With the Wind’s $402M gross is from multiple re-releases.
Its original 1939 run was around $32M but adjusted for inflation, that’s over $1.8 billion today.
It sold over 200 million tickets worldwide.
That’s more than Avatar, Titanic, Endgame literally everything.
You know, actual metrics instead of monkey math for terminally online zoomers.

You keep arguing like a redditor who just discovered EBITDA.
You think movies exist in a vacuum where $1 in 2025 = $1 in 1939.
Your brain is stuck in Nominal World, population: 1 retard = You.

Stay retarded shill

>>212597332
This movie is all over place because Superman and DC does not have a locked in fanbase like MCU and even Jurassic Park that just pre order tickets regardless is critic reviews and word of mouth. Why lose MCU movies been front loaded. Al hardcore fans show up opening weekend and drops off next weekend because casual viewers don’t show up

>>212597424
>You think movies exist in a vacuum where $1 in 2025 = $1 in 1939.
And you keep forgetting that a dollar spent producing a movie in 1939 is also not the same as a dollar spent producing a movie in 2025.

That's why adjusting for inflation makes no sense. However much more or less valuable the movie's reception is, it's also that much more or less valuable how much it cost.

So it really is just money made - money spent and adjusting movies for inflation is a huge cope.

>>212597349
Or maybe we just don't want DC turned into a giant cringe reddit joke fest.

>>212591013
you lost

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>>212590908
Can we ban box office shitters? I don’t think how much money a movie makes even qualifies as discussion of the movie itself. This is Television & Film, not Jewish Profits.

>>212596007
>Jatinder

>>212593615
Have you watched the movie?
The events that move the plot is an invasion directly a caricature of the Israel-Palestine conflict, with Luthor serving as the Trump of the whole matter. Including taking half of the invaded country to build his empire.
I am not bullshitting, this is in the movie, it's not even subtle. They even crammed in a reference to the botfarm influencing public opinions on internet forums.

>>212597618
Nothing in Superman was a “giant cringe reddit joke fest” though.

>>212597759
>the garage door opening slowly
>the Justice Gang name bit
> Superman and Lois arguing over punk rock
>Krypto attacking Lex Luthor in the middle of Superman and Lex having a heated conversation with Superman making a wincing face

Did we watch the same movie? I like it, but I'm not going to fucking pretend it wasn't Reddit as hell

>>212596007
>350 Dom
the only capeshit movie that sold more in the US than outside is Black Panther, if Superman is doing 300-350 domestically expect 450-550 aboard.

>>212598008
Agreed, there was a lot of cringe but the Justice Gang stuff was fun. I personally do know why more people arent talking about the best line delivery in the whole movie as whacky and out of place as it was
>OHHHHH I AM SO DONE JIMMEEEEEEEE

>>212597157
On pair with Barbie great

>>212597750
the botfarm is a russia thing.
the current phase of Israel/Palestine is less than two years old so its really unlikely that Gunn was taking Israel Bad into account while writing this movie. the Trump statement about making Gaza into real estate is also literally from this year.
its primarily about Ukraine.

>>212598120
>Americans literally bussed in entire schools and neighbourhoods to see Black Panther on the tax payers dime because it was a black super hero movie

Americans are so fucking retarded

> In terms of openings on Wednesday, France was a No. 1 start at $1.3M including previews and ahead of a long weekend for Bastille Day; the debut is 3% above Thunderbolts and also over the most recent Venom and Aquaman movies (+8%). The cume through Thursday is $1.8M.

France likes it

The fake positive reviewers forgot to reword the talking points they were given.
All of the reviews say "it's like a comic book come to life!"

>>212590864 (OP)
Imagine that. A movie with a recognizable name and character sold some tickets. It's still a terrible movie and everyone should get a refund just out of principle.
It's easy to sell garbage in the USA when consumers are literally brain dead.
Source: the 60 million Americans who got phone scammed during Covid and gave away $50 Billion to pajeets in a call center.
This actor would be a solid superman with the right script, and the green lantern was a solid addition. But the movie was hot dogshit.

>>212598217
Anon, filming began in late february 2024 and ended in july 2024.
Judging by how poor the editing is and how fast it jumps from scene to scene without continuity, it's clear to see that it was reedited plenty of times and scenes were re-recorded to fit the current thing.

>>212592328
>Good reviews and word of mouth
You meant RT scores for WB made movie on WB owned site.

>>212592640
snyder tarnished the brand and characters beyond recognition

>>212598871
>wb artificially inflate scores
>...except snyders films

>>212591074
the cope is setting in earlier than I expected.

>>212598871
Even if you are right it doesn't matter, regular people that go outside like the movie.

>>212592328
Shill-kun...

>>212599694
how would you know, you shut-in neet

>>212590908
I'm the most racist person in America and I love Superman. I happily bought tickets and I'm taking my family there tonight. Afterwards I'll be posting the word nigger on the internet. Seems like Chuds keep winning buddy!

>>212592268

"Honorable Defeat"

>>212590864 (OP)
>Soaring To $22.5M
welp, not with by bucks

>>212590864 (OP)
At least ther realized they fucked up and re-hired him to complete his Guardians trilogy, which remains one of most successful Marvel franchises in modern history when the Ant-Man trilogy and the Captain Marvel duology shit the bed.

>>212598871
> You meant RT scores for WB made movie on WB owned site.