Thread 212604866

Why didn't the bitch tell them the fucking plan?

she doesn't have to tell men anything

>>212604866 (OP)
well as a leader you shouldn't have to explain your plan to your subordinates. their only worry should be to execute what they are told when they are told to.
however she wasn't leading a disciplined military she was in charge of "le resistance" so she was a dumb leader for not understanding her own crew.

>>212604866 (OP)
Why couldn't the have just either auto piloted the ship or sacrificed a droid?

she was so fucking hot in this role
fucking whore I hate women

>>212604866 (OP)
>be in charge for a few hours
>first major decision is to suicide your entire fleet
what did women mean by this?

Is this the one where it turns out you can destroy everything just by engaging your hyperdrive nearby
Like would that have worked on the death star? Just have one X-wing jump to light speed in front of it?
Would that work on a planet? Why didn't anyone else know this tactic or perform it?

>>212605131
she looks terrible, that hair color looks awful on her

>>212604866 (OP)
She did, then Poe caused a mutiny that nearly killed everyone in the ship.

Why didn't the asshole them tell them the fucking plan?

>>212605034
This, she should've locked Poe in a cell.

A litteral fan fiction self-insert.

>>212605034
Even the most disciplined and loyal military force isn't going to follow you straight over the side of a cliff if you inexplicably keep it a secret that there's a giant inflatable pad at the bottom

what plan are you going to make when palpatine can suddenly return any time he wants somehow

>>212604866 (OP)
Seriously, I can't think of a bigger fuckup than this. They gave a multi-billion dollar golden goose franchise that printed money to literal who degenerates and they managed to destroy it. That's still unbelievable but they did it.

>>212605719
palpatine winning round 3

>>212604866 (OP)
Because all gays are satanists.
"Hope is like the Sun. You can only believe in it if you see it."
Sun worshipping satanists.

She had no plan, she was trying to flee and leave everyone behind to cover her escape. She just got really unlucky

>>212604866 (OP)
>put your dick away, flyboy. I know what I’m doing
>Rams imperial ship

>>212605034
>someone in charge because of a decapitation strike doesn’t have to take basic precautions so that her subordinates know what go do if she’s killed
>someone in charge doesn’t have to tell her subordinates her plans when she needs them to effectively carry out orders that relate to them
Remember the briefings in each of the OT scenes? If Holdo had been in charge, they wouldn’t have mentioned why the X Wings went on a seemingly suicidal French run to shoot a single target in ANH, why the transports flew near star destroyers in ESB, or why they had to deploy a strike force in RoTJ. Then she’d throw a tantrum at Wedge for not blindly wanting to get himself killed.
Darth fucking Vader was more willing to explain his reasoning to his underlings than her. That’s how shit a leader she was.

>>212607433
Which is funny because the kids and faggots these days defended her. Vader, who actually fought in and survived a galactic war, knew that you need to explain why you are making your decisions to those directly under your command so they can better enforce it.

There was allegedly a deleted subplot about a mole within the resistance.

I think the funniest part of the movie was Leia flying back to ship

>I'm gonna evac everyone then suicide bomb their ship
That's all she had to say.

>>212607733
There were so many better ways to show her proficiency with the force. Why the fuck did they go with that Mary Poppins shit?

>>212604866 (OP)
This lady was born old and has looked the same age. She's like the Larry David of women.

>>212605034
How do you expect people to carry out a plan if they don't know what it is

>>212604866 (OP)
She didn't have a plan. You would need competent writers to have a plan.

>>212607433
>seemingly suicidal French run
hon hon hon

>>212605034
And then she chicken necks Poe like a cholo in 7th grade

>>212608053
Organizations like this are way to large to worry about any roles outside of your Immediate area. The irony is they need to operate more like the Empire in order to get stuff done

Because she listened. And that's what no one did.

>>212604866 (OP)
>>212605034
>rebels in the OT
>give briefings that tell their subordinates the plan

>le resistance in ST
>"check your privilege, subordinates"

weird, WEIRD

>>212608730
>Organizations like this are way to large
They have three ships left, and like 2 dozen officers.

>>212608697
>like a cholo in 7th grade
That gave me a ptsd flashback like mug

>>212605131
I liked her in Wild At Heart.

>>212604866 (OP)
Almost everything wrong with Ep.8 could have been fixed if they'd added a single brief scene where the bridge crew suspect that the Imperials were able to track them because of a spy among them. With that little change, this bitch would have had a good reason to keep her plan secret, and the others would have had all the more reason to suspect she was the traitor.

>>212605715
Disagree because the most disciplined military force would have already executed every last soldier to ever question authority and would immediately shoot the first soldier that got out of line for any reason.
It's the reason we used to be able to get men to march shoulder to shoulder at people firing at them. Your own leadership was more dangerous than anything the enemy could field and you understood that disobeying meant immediate death.

>>212609095
>Almost everything wrong with Ep.8
No, movie is still shit and destroys canon.

>>212607733
I HOWLED with laughter at that scene. Funniest shit ever. Episode 9 has a bunch of funny shit in it too (Rey blowing up Chewbacca's ship, Palpatine's bass boosted lightning, Finn friendzoning Rose)

>>212607733
Star Wars never recovered from that

>>212604866 (OP)
Because Poe sabotaged the previous plan and was demoted. Then he gets pissed and stages a mutiny because he can’t accept it. Did you even watch the movie? Poe was out of line through basically the entire thing.

>>212605034
This is pseud shit and I'm tired of seeing it.
Anyone who has successfully led men in any role of responsibility where stuff is on the line - be it civilian or military - knows that ideally even the most retarded person on your team has a basic gist of the 'why'. This improves efficacy AND allows your men to seize the initiative when it appears because they actually have some idea what the fucking point of the operation is.
Demanding blind obedience unto what appears like complete failure is the most insectoid shit I've ever seen.

I'd call it subhuman but even the squid people know how to lead better than this bitch.

>>212607433
It reminds me of a time I sat in on a hiring meeting, they had this ex military guy bring up what they taught him of leadership in the military. This HR cunt dismissed military leadership as just yelling at people. That's who holo was, portrayed as good from someone who was like that. and that's all hollywood is, old geriactrics ex hippies who think themselves still rebels and hr hoes.

>>212609659
So this is actually part of the the US military has done so well in direct conflict with enemy combatants. Older traditional militaries would heavily compartmentalize, with everyone having a single specific role that they would not ever step out of, and this includes leadership. The US military on the other hand has almost everyone receiving some level of leadership training and information on what is happening so that they can adapt quickly if critical personnel are taken out.

Why doesn't she wear a uniform or at least an insignia?

>>212609877
Exactly. And it works.
The only place the bugmen model of leadership 'works' is where either the chance or impact of failure is next to nothing. This is why it's common in places like retail and not in anything where there are real consequences to shit not getting done.

>>212609955
Funny, because even in those industries you still don't act like this slag.

>>212605171
I'm not sure if this explanation I have is pure head cannon or the actual reasoning, and the writers for episode 8 are retards but here is my attempt.

>Deflector Shields on a ship are there to deflect larger matter that comes into contact with the ship
>And disintegrate smaller matter that comes into contact with a ship.
>Imagine the shields as a physical wall of energy around a spaceship made of unbreakable elastic.
>If this was not the case every piece of space debris would destroy a ship at these speeds, so that is the purpose of shields.
>The faster an object hits a shield the more likely it is to be deflected from the centre and disintegrated along the edges.
>I'm not entirely sure if this is correct, but I understand hyperspace to be travel beyond light speed as a reduction of the ships mass to sub particle levels
>Most things would be passed through except large , dense bodies like planets that would require an astro-navigation computer to avoid collisions.
>Impact of these would be disintegrated instantly given thier low mass.
>That is why they can not simply hyperspace ram the death star.
>Or hyperspace missiles, the timing would have to be calculated perfectly at post-light speeds to exit hyperspace at just the right moment, when enemy movement couldn't be observed from that distance.
>This requires the energy from the ship to support and sustain this energy field.
>If the energy required to deflect and/or disintegrate an object is greater than what the ship can output then the impact collapses the field
>This explains shielding percentages, this is the energy output capacity of a ship to sustain these fields.
>Each impact would drain power from a power supply, as more energy would be needed to reform the shield than sustain it.
>Holdo's ram should have caused the ship to disintegrate when colliding with the enemy shields.
>But the writers are too dumb to understand this, same way they don't understand audience perception.

>>212604866 (OP)
The fucking neck on this cunt

There was no plan. She was in fact just trying to parallel park and fucked it up in a lucky way.

>>212610165
Dogshit explanation, the old canon is simpler.

When a ship is in hyperspace, it cannot affect anything in the real world. But real world objects with mass, cast "shadows" on hyperspace, which can affect objects travelling from there, thus the need for complex calculations.

Two sentences. Simple. The entire Star Wars universe worked on this premise until Disney fucked it up.

>>212610163
Truly a failure among failures.
>>212609891
'Muh civilian leadershiparino'.
In-setting surely trying to ride Mon Mothma's coattails as well.

>>212610276
that does seem simpler than my explanation. Could you tell me what happens when an object collides with these shadows?

>>212610516
The ship travelling through hyperspace blows up (as per Han's line in ANH), but it doesn't affect anything in the real world.

Be honest: you wouldn’t have had a problem with not telling the plan if it was a man.

>>212610897
On top of that, if Luke’s character arc was attributed to a different Jedi, it would’ve been praised. But the fans treat Luke like some untouchable sacred cow and it backfired.

>>212604866 (OP)
>Why didn't the bitch tell them the fucking plan?
loose lips sink ships, the big plan is need to know only, and an arrogant flyboy doesn't need to know.

This was the nuts of her speech to him.

>>212610604
But why thou?

>>212611507
Because he was already tested this way and passed against Vader. That is character regression.

>>212610897
No, because they can't help themselves and would have made the man a spy, which would have made sense . They did it with the man in the heist and then I would just go to one of the many other faults in the film.

>The republic was taken over off screen despite the villains losing on screen and Thier main base being destroyed.
>Your mom jokes
>They weren't arrested for anything interesting, it was parking in the middle of the road. The "heros" are idiots.
>The pretty Asian dies, to focus on the ugly one instead
>Why does Luke die from a light saber if he wasn't there?
> Kylo already lost, who is the big villain now?
>There just one ship at the end, where does the story go?
>They killed Luke and left liea alive despite carrie fisher being dead before episode 8 even came out.

>>212611655
>But why thou?
Something about objects with a large mass translating into big gravity wells on hyperspace. It's not science, they don't have to explain this shit to a highly accurate degree. What matters is that it's a consistent in-world explanation.