first off, let's not pretend as if more than ~10% of you (and that's being generous) have actually read the source material and hence may claim to care about its spirit and letter being preserved. the main complaint is typically worded as
>THERE WERE NO BROWN PEOPLE IN MEDIEVAL WALES
at what point does the film posit itself as historically accurate fiction? the costumes and sets are wholly imagined and bizarre (did medieval Wales have camera obscuras?) and look nothing like they would have were this e.g. an Eggers flick. the next stage is typically
>GAWAIN WAS WHITE
sure he was, insofar the source is a Middle-English poem. likewise 99% of the characters in the historical settings of Shakespeare's plays were white Europeans, yet its ok for non-white actors to portray them on the stage. Patel is a talented actor and does a great job, so this is nothing more than /pol/ hysteria. i'd also add that the visual language/presentation of the film is not that of a typical "medieval Europe fantasy", it's more like an acid trip or a weird music video, so Gawain being brown is even less of a problem than usual

having addressed the usual criticism, let me briefly mention the many positives of the film
>it's reasonably accurate to the text (i have not read it myself, but certain trust-worthy people say so)
>it's made on a ridiculously small budget (15 million for a fantasy film is less than pennies, the mainstream industry regularly churns out talky dramas that cost 5 times this) yet never looks cheap
>it's beautifully made, the whole thing is very fanciful
>Patel gives a great performance, a slew of cool actors in secondary roles (Ralph Ineson, Sean Harris, Joel Edgerton)
>good soundtrack

>>212628407 (OP)
not enough of the talking fox which was the only reason I wanted to see this movie

>first off, let's not pretend as if more than ~10% of you (and that's being generous) have actually read the source material
>i have not read it myself,

>>212628407 (OP)
kino flick.

>reasonably accurate to the text
I enjoyed the movie, probably would score it around a 6-7/10 but this is completely false.

>>212628674
I'm just saying what i heard elsewhere, no claims to it being the gospel truth. What are its core departures from the text (besides the final vision and that his mother is Morgana and other such sundry)?
>>212628612
I'm familiar with the story from a book I read about King Arthur and his knights as a kid (I've recently started to suspect it might have been Steinbeck's version), but I have not read the poem itself. I don't think many people on /tv/ or elsewhere have, I expect most come into contact with the story in some retelling. Have *you* read the poem, anon?

>>212628407 (OP)
>>it's reasonably accurate to the text
Nigger, the entire second act of the movie is made up bullshit for padding out the run time because the poem is a 30-minute read. Further to compound even more revisionism, Lowery completely flips the ending. Where instead of Gawain realizing how silly this knight's oath is to have your head chopped off for, hence the lesson of wasting your life away on frivolous bouts of honor in the form of a retarded bet no one had a chance of winning. Lowery made it about himself and his dread of living in dishonesty in the face of death. Literally the opposite of what the green sash meant for them. The rationalizing of being a coward when it comes to irrational bullshit is not a deadly fucking sin.

I don't like Green Knight because the trailer and promo material made it seem like it was an exciting movie, an action adventure with a good pace. Instead it was agonizingly slow a24 slop

>>212628793
>Have *you* read the poem, anon?
yes

>>212628971
I tip my chapeau to you then, but I remain confident that the overwhelming majority of the viewing public hasn't

>>212628793
His mother is Morganese/Morgause, distinctly not Morgana. The entire ending sequence with the flashforward, while well done, is completely fabricated. Gawain does not cum all over himself in a emasculating way, the garter is given to him but he refuses to give it up. After he beheads the knight he goes to the nearby lords keep and much is played out the same, but it is revealed after that the Lord is infact the green knight and asks the reverse of him "anything my wife has given return to me" Gawain awkwardly kisses him and keeps the garter, when he meets him in his chapel he reveals this was a plot against Arthur and not him, and barely scratches him with the blade. However for not returning the garter when prompted, he has to wear it for the rest of his life, the exact opposite of what is shown in the movie.
Gawain wearing the garter is such an important fact that cannot be taken as novelty especially when the movie shows the opposite, it is a token that shows his dishonesty, not some magic maguffin that makes him we wuz Kang.

Gawain himself still has a major part in the inevitable downfall of Arthur, because one of Lancelots relatives sleeps with his mom which makes him seethe so hard his family and Lancelots cause the inevitable split of the round table. While the sequences were alright, the only direct similarities to the story itself is the two titular characters.

The message offended cowardly men

How is it compared to Northman and Conan? The trailer with the spook seems very Northman based.

>>212629148
i agree with you that most people haven't read it. my disgust with you is that you are trying to speak about the movie's authenticity when not reading the source material.

>>212629302
The trailer is deceptive, there's no real action in the movie. Even that bit where he's raising the sword and yelling is just him trying to get the attention of something, he's not roaring or charging into battle or anything.

>>212628407 (OP)
Brown England sucks ass.

it had some amazing cinematography which looked even more amazing in a theater but the movie itself was pretty meh

>>212628921
>chivalric vow
>some silly bullshit not worth your life

If ever there was a time when dying for your word was worthwhile, even over something minor, it would be during Arthurian fantasy

It was incredibly boring and meandering. It felt pointless and aimless. Maybe this is how the actual story read (I haven't read it), but that's irrelevant. Clearly that sort of story structure doesn't work for a movie then. It had great cinematography and presentation, but I felt bored out of my mind watching it and contemplated shutting it off multiple times. Dreadful viewing experience

The giants were spoopy

>>212629591
Probably, but not for Gawain. The major point of his cowardice is a showcase of those silly stout knights not being perfect examples of virtue and that choosing self-preservation over honor does not flunk you out of the knights order; that's just being human. And again, he is not having cold feet because he doesn't want to protect the innocents or some shit, the only thing that is at stake is his integrity over an unwinnable bet that wasn't even meant for him.

>>212629750
the giants bothered me. they clearly did not have the money to pull off the requisite CGI, even for such a short sequence, so they should have just dropped it from the film; shit looked like a student film on YouTube. nothing about what it adds (Gawain's desire to cut corners) couldn't be replicated in some simpler, better-looking scene

>>212628407 (OP)
>let's not pretend as if more than ~10% of you (and that's being generous) have actually read the source material
>i have not read it myself
Jesus wept. Doubt you've read much of anything, given your retarded habit of not capitalising the first word in each sentence, among other issues.
>THERE WERE NO BROWN PEOPLE IN MEDIEVAL WALES
Indeed.
>its ok for non-white actors to portray them
Says who? You? Get fucked.

>>212628407 (OP)
>medieval Bri'ish story from like 14th century AD
>involves cuckolding
In retrospect, it all makes sense now

>>212628407 (OP)
One of the worst films I've seen in my life. When its director made that horrible Peter Pan reboot for Disney+ I was vindicated that he was a hack.

>>212629302
I liked it, but it is nothing like Northman or Conan. Both of those movies are far better.

>>212630065
That is a recurring theme in Arthurian legend. And in Chaucer too. It's… kinda weird, yeah.

>>212628407 (OP)
It is a pretty good film, overall.
Good message.

>>212628407 (OP)
I'm one of those 10% who has read it, and the movie sucked.
I will not read the rest of your autistic ramblings.

>>212628407 (OP)
Watched this and he's practically the lightest Indian I've ever seen, like if you hadn't told me he wasn't a proper brit I'd have never known. From the outcry you'd half expect some Deep Roy looking motherfucker. His mom was more egregiously brown.

>>212628921
The OG was not about how avoiding death over chivalric 'nonsense' was acceptable.
It was about how even great men can fail in the face of death, but that does not besmirch the honor they've accrued through their lives. And if they survive, they can redeem themselves.
Its a brutally honest story about the limitations of heroes as still being failable men. But we must push on past our failures and do better after every one.

The film reversed it for sure, but it is instead about a loser finding honor in the face of death for the first time in his life.
How even the weakest of us can ultimately achieve greatness and honor no matter how many times we've failed before.

>>212630439
>His mom was more egregiously brown.
the retards wail about Patel so much i had actually forgotten she's brown as well (bordering on black), kek. even Alicia Vikander is pretty dark in this

It's a deliberate subversion of the original Arthurian myth so that's naturally going to be divisive. I liked it a lot but it's not hard for me to understand why others wouldn't.

>>212628407 (OP)
>>THERE WERE NO BROWN PEOPLE IN MEDIEVAL WALES
I found the witch being brown historically accurate.

had a laugh at the Merlin BBC series which was deliberately not 'accurate' (to history or the stories), more of a Smallville-type thing for kids/teens. lots of things in there that don't line up.
but casting a black actress as Guinevere was strange. i mean, her name quite literally means the opposite of that.

why not do what Robin of Sherwood did, add a new character to the mythos? as part of your "it's OUR take on it" little spin.

i suspect that there's a certain subset of people here who specifically read the poem just so they could then get mad at this movie

>>212630178
I actually found this movie everything I wanted the Northman to be that it wasn't - actually visually engaging and interesting, creative and weird rather than flat and boring

>>212630431
did you read it in the original or in an updated modern translation?

>>212628407 (OP)
A subversion of the Homeric hero for a cowardly ninny isn't something I'm interested in watching. It's not deep or thought provoking at all.

>>212630842
What's that? People looked into the source material and realized exactly why the movie is bullshit? Geez what a bunch of uneducated backwards losers lmao

>>212631152
i'm saying i don't think that's the order it went in

>>212628550
That CG fox ruined it for me, why not just train a real one? These computer wizards are putting wildlife trainer folx out of business!

>>212630882
I'm glad, anon. Like I said I liked it too.

>>212630882
>actually visually engaging
what about The Northman visuals did you find lacking? personally i thought it looked great (yeah, the palette is muted, but it's good overall)

I have no fucking clue. As someone who read the actual source material and was one of the two people asking for a film based around Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, I have no idea why normies hate the movie at all because all the things about it that are infuriating are things literally no one but me cares about.

They completely raped the original story's core theme. Gawain is supposed to resist his three temptations and redeem himself. But, like, who fucking cares? No one reading this thread other than me ever read Gawain, so I have no fucking idea why you would all seethe over it. I am glad that you do, I just don't see why.

niggers be like "yeah read the source" acting like there is one singular poem
yeah okay dude

>>212631028
i went back in time and wrote the original

>>212631973
>Gawain is supposed to resist his three temptations and redeem himself
he failed the tests, but he did redeem (heh) himself in the end, what's so bad about that?

>make film about Sir Gawain
>Gawain's story is about how his immediate first solution to an insult is violence
>Gawain redeems himself
>Film race bends him to be Indian
>does not redeem

Poetry

>Sir Rajesh Pajeeto, the knight of the round table
LoL, but maybe even LMAO!

>>212630319
women were commodities realistically everyone slept around, that includes the men. There is a reason for most of antiquity the uncle-nephew relationship is prioritized, because you know you and your sister came from the same womb and this anything that comes out of hers has to be your kin

>>212630319
>generations of bongs dating back to their inception have been growing up with tales of them being cucked

The heavy push of Christianity is really what lead to monogamy, realistically in the 6th century everyone in the castle slept in the same room to be better guarded

>>212628407 (OP)
>it's reasonably accurate to the text (i have not read it myself, but certain trust-worthy people say so)
It is actually a mirror opposite meaning.

>>212632697
It's ultimately your literary tradition too, assuming you're American. And it's bongs doing the cuckolding as well as being on the receiving end. But, yeah.

>>212628407 (OP)
Kys shitskin

>>212628407 (OP)
Retarded leftist subversive trash. You're a retard.
>it's reasonably accurate to the text (i have not read it myself, but certain trust-worthy people say so)
Those people lied to you, so no, they aren't trustworthy.

I can't relate. The main character is a pajeet who is struggling against the urge to rape

>>212628407 (OP)
I didn't read anything past the first sentence but it's painfully obvious that whatever you posted was a lengthy cope to justify your brown ass being in a western nation when we all know you shouldn't be.

>>212628407 (OP)
I dislike it exclusively because people like you hand wave away valid criticism
It's a good movie ruined by faggots that refuse to acknowledge it's problems
Gawain is white. Casting a canonically British myth with an Indian is the same cultural erasure as casting Gerald Butler in God's of Egypt
There is no valid cope you can claim outside of saying "I still liked the movie" but you cant say that because you like that it's erasing white culture
Kill yourself faggot

>>212628407 (OP)
The time it took you to write this pseudo intellectual garbage you could have just fucking read the poem
You don't get to condemn others for not reading the source material, well you yourself being incapable of reading it.

>>212628407 (OP)
For me, it simply wasn't very good. It was like a really nice pizza with no sauce.

it's actually a genuinely inventive fantasy movie with great performances, visuals and something to say that autists get mad about because it isn't the same as the inspiration it's based on

>>212637390
>genuinely inventive
literally just replaces heroism with cowardliness at every point. truly mindblowing stuff

>>212637491
he lets himself get beheaded at the end what are you talking about

>>212637542
>doesnt realize that just giving up is cowardly
ngmi

>>212637607
running away from the challenge would be the cowardly action, he manned up and accepted his fate like a knight would

>>212628407 (OP)
There was one scene where I think the Lady from the Castle makes a remark about improving other peoples stories that felt like the writer was being smug. Overall the story sucks and this Gawain sucks, he only agrees to have his head cut off because he sees a premonition about how much his life is gonna suck if he cheats . He's so shit at everything he does and is a total bitch its almost comical .Still the ending is ambiguous enough that him probably just getting his head cut off is a satisfying enough ending for me for a character like him so ill give it that i guess.

>>212637900
No he didn't, he pussed out of surviving cause he saw how his life would turn out and didn't like it. He literally chose suicide to avoid that fate out of cowardice, not because of honor or bravery. Hes so shit I'm glad it didn't end with him being rewarded for that.

>>212638098
>he avoided banging the cute redhead out of cowardice
yeah I mean he could also have used the precognition to avoid making those mistakes but whatever you clearly didn't care about the point the movie was making.

>>212638149
>the point the movie was making
"We have such massive love and respect for the source material, which is why we're completely subverting it"? Or was it simply "Fuck whitey"?

i dont watch diversity hire movies. market it somewhere else, ranjid.

>>212637900
he doesnt have to run away, he can fight
>>212638149
>yeah I mean he could also have used the precognition to avoid making those mistakes but whatever
so you admit that the heroic thing to do would be to fight to escape his fate and not keel over like a bitch?

>>212638434
Yes. Cept also if kings are played by Jewish actors (they always are) as well.

>>212638550
england has been ruled by jews since cromwell so that's accurate sometimes

>>212638410
>love and respect for the source material

is it mandatory reading in Welsh schools or something?

>>212638660
Probably not, and what's that got to do with anything? I was describing a now-standard Hollywood attitude when it comes to remaking or adapting something.

>>212633977
>assuming you're American.
I'm not
>And it's bongs doing the cuckolding as well as being on the receiving end.
Cucking each other is still cucking

>>212639112
Agreed. It's fucked up. Now what?

>>212639163
Now we laugh at bongs
HAHAHAHA

>>212628407 (OP)
Replace the brown lead and it would have been true kino.
Simple as

>>212638434
>>212640290
>>212629398
First, let’s get one thing straight: King Arthur, if he existed at all, was Welsh. The whole legend originates from post-Roman Celtic Britain, specifically from the Britons (the ancestors of the modern Welsh) who were busy trying to fend off invading Anglo-Saxons. You know, the people who would eventually become the "English." So if you want to talk about who has the most legitimate claim to Arthurian legend, it's certainly not some modern Englishman scoffing at an Indian actor, it’s the Welsh, who were literally colonized by the English.
These Germanic invaders came in the 5th and 6th centuries, took over most of what is now England, and proceeded to rewrite the island’s cultural history to suit themselves. They spent centuries pushing out the native Britons (you know, Arthur’s people) and conveniently reframing the island’s identity as an Anglo-Saxon one. And then they eventually adopted Arthurian legend, turning a story about a Celtic hero resisting them into part of their own mythos.
Then came the Normans, French-speaking Viking descendants who invaded England in 1066, who took the story and added all the knightly chivalry and courtly love.
So now we’ve got a legend that started with the Welsh, was hijacked by the Anglo-Saxons (the original villains of the story), then reworked by the Normans, and then became part of England’s national mythology. And yet, somehow, a person of Indian heritage, whose ancestors were part of the British Empire for longer than the Normans ruled England, is where we draw the line?

>>212640795
The English have more in common with the Welsh then Indians have with any civilised nation
Time of occupation is not the same a cultural assimilation
Your "people" are animals and are only fit to play orcs
Yap more faggot

>>212640795
Nice try.
>Welsh
>Anglo-Saxons
>Normans
All white.

>>212640290
it would still be trash, its an extremely pretentious (in a bad way) jerkoff flick that takes itself so insanely serious while showing nothing meaningful at all besides an anxious streetshitter pretending to be a knight and other nonsensical cancer like a bunch of brown kids in european medieval garb watching a puppet play of what is currently transpiring in the story, and it subverts the original message.

>>212640795
not reading any of this

think I've spent more time reading these threads than watching the movie and I just grow more and more confused

>>212628407 (OP)
I've read the threads and they're all bullshit reasons. People think it should have been some sort of historical documentary with 100% period accurate details. It's just a fantasy movie for god's sake. And it's a damn good one.

>>212643003
>People think it should have been some sort of historical documentary with 100% period accurate details.
thats not the argument at all, not even in this thread. the movie is shit for reasons beyond that, and its not a good fantasy movie. its a pretentious and deliberate subversion of the legend with retarded meaningless shit in it.

>>212643003
>Won't refute any explanation as why race baiting isn't okay, of the dozen posted
>Still thinks his opinion matters
What are you hoping to get from this? You clearly aren't trying to change minds or you'd actually argue.
Are you so stupid that you think if you say something enough times it'll be true?
Are you an Indian?

>>212643003
You of course apply this same dismissive faggot attitude to everything else as well right?
You had no problem with bale being Moses right?
Or John Wayne playing Genghis Khan right?
They're movies not documentaries
Or is it just white people replacement that I have to be okay with

>>212628407 (OP)
so what you're saying is you are brown