I have never seen more misinformation and disinformation revolving around a movie in a long time. James Gunn's Superman is all over the map in regards to discourse from a political context and film criticism context. I'm not going to harp on those because I don't have much to add to the discussions. But what I am going to do is talk about the box-office context.

Is Superman a failure or a success?

While it is still too soon to declare it definitively as the movie has come nowhere near close to finishing its theatrical run, there are some things that do seem pretty likely. For instance, it is likely that this movie is going to struggle to make $600 million dollars worldwide when all is said and done.

Naturally, that would put it significantly behind Man of Steel and The Batman. So clearly it's a failure.

But then, you have to consider the context of what is going on with Warner Bros and the DC brand. They are in a rebuilding phase. It's not terribly different from, say, the NFL, when you have a team that is beyond hopeless that needs to cut a lot of its personnel and replace its current head coach. The next season is going to be very rough as a result. You can't expect the team to go 13-4 and make the playoffs. More often than not, that record is gonna be flipped. Growing pains are necessary and losses are going to be inevitable.

Such is the case with Superman. There's a not insignificant chance that Warner Brothers is going to barely break even on this film, if not outright lose money. That's the game. It's a shame, and almost certainly the suits and shareholders really wanted a billion dollar movie. Especially with a lot of the hype that was surrounding the film because of trailer views, everyone on Reddit acting as if this was going to be the superhero cinematic equivalent of James Cameron's Avatar, but reality is often a bitch.

>>212652662 (OP)
Superman will make a billion dollars.

Again, the DC brand was tarnished beyond belief. As some people pointed out, this is very much a Batman Begins situation. Actually, it's even worse than Batman Begins, as a lot of DC's flops are not exactly as far behind in years as Batman & Robin was to Batman Begins.

Rome did not fall in a day and it was certainly not built in a day. Superman has not leapt over a tall building in a single bound. He has barely kept his head above water. But considering that the DC brand was drowning prior to his arrival, that's progress. As sad as it is to say, that IS progress. They've gotten a great reception with critics, a great reception with the audience, a great reception with fans. For now, that has to be good enough.

The same thing will have to be expected with some of these other films that James Gunn has lined up. Whether you're talking about Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, there's gonna be some uphill climbing.

And there's no guarantee that what's over the horizon is a billion dollar Justice League film. It could be that there is really no chance that this brand will ever build itself back up again or becomes a successful as the once mighty MCU. Hollywood has changed significantly. The landscape in all directions is no longer what it was. Marvel itself is no longer what it once was. But, if there is any chance of growth for the DC Universe moving forward, then Zaslav and co. will have to trust the process, be patient, and hope for the best.

>>212652662 (OP)
tl;dr
kys yammering faggot

all these words and you can’t see the gotg legs this movie clearly has

>>212652685
In order to make a billion dollars, Superman desperately needs the international box-office to show up. It's doing well domestically, but not well enough to hit the billion dollar mark.

>>212652662 (OP)
>MUH IMMIGRANT!
>flop
opps!

>>212652698
tl;dr
kys yammering faggot

Fantastic 4 will utterly rape Superman until his legs give out, figuratively and literslly

>>212652662 (OP)
>inb4 muh inflation
You know this applies to the budget, too right? This means Superman was significantly cheaper than MOS.

>>212652717
Did Guardians have competition showing up in its 3rd weekend?

>>212652662 (OP)
>I have never seen more misinformation and disinformation revolving around a movie in a long time
Were you asleep when the Flash came out or something?

>>212652662 (OP)
We don't need to beat those movies. We just need to beat LittyGods to claim success

>>212652717
overseas showing didnt fall off a cliff for gotg lmao

this will be lucky to reach blacked adam, which didnt even release in china LOL

All the threads for this movie have boiled down to both sides calling each other indians. Feels like a new low for /tv/

>>212652744
>he thinks El Señor Fantastico will do good
F4 will be the next Thunderbolts. The cast is extremely visually unpleasant.
Marvel is dead.

>>212652717
Guardians of the Galaxy appealed greatly to international audiences. No domestic legs can help Superman cross a billion dollar threshold. Superman's opening weekend is projected as 110-130 million. Let's be hopeful and say it hits the higher end of that. Now let's assume its next weekend winds up only reducing by 50%. An amazing second weekend, by any account. That would result in a $65 million haul. And now that's gonna get cut down again the next weekend and the next weekend. When all is said and done, a best-case $300 million domestic haul would not be enough to propel it to a billion.

>>212652721
Trump's fucker has soured the international market against truth, justice, and the american way.

>>212652804
I have never understood this board's bizarre fixation on Snyder and his stupid DCEU.

>>212652804
This movie made me realize that India must be rangebanned. Some jeet accused me of being a jeet (lol) for liking the movie. So I posted a pic of my wrist with a timestamp. That shut him up real good.

They should have cancelled all the dc movies besides aquaman 2 after black adam

Do not have shazam 2 and the flash and joker 2 hurt the reputation of dc worldwide in 2023 and 2024 and superman would be doing better in asia

>>212652698
This is nothing like Batman Begins, because the way Batman Begins worked was by taking Batman and making him dark, gritty, and serious. It followed by up by an even darker and more serious Batman film, the Dark Knight.

This movie's sequel is Supergirl. Do you not see the problem here? The one thing the DC brand has had going for it since Burton really was that it is comic books but dark and mature. The DC videogames people actually like are the dark and gritty ones. So when you make a Superman movie that is the antithesis of that, it is such a goddamn uphill battle.

>>212652662 (OP)
That's why WB put the target at 500 million for them to be happy, anything above that is a success, also they got lots of tax cuts on this movie. And merch is selling so that's good too.

>>212652752
Yeah, the film is also cheaper than MoS.

I do think Gunn should fast track Batman for DCU. I'm sure we will have a more clear picture of their plans in the upcoming months and at NYCC a slate for 3 years.

I also think 2 Batman franchises at the same time is a bad idea.

>>212652877
>I also think 2 Batman franchises at the same time is a bad idea.
Just integrate Battinson into the DCU. No need got reinvent the wheel.

>>212652685
Not likely. Cut out the hyperbole and you can see that it's struggling internationally. What the pundits fail to account for is tge financial situation is pretty fucking grim in most western countries. Without a word of a lie, it would cost me over $200 AUD to take a family of 4 to the movies and most people just don't have that kind of disposable income anymore. The era of the regular billion dollar hollywood blockbuster is over, you'll be lucky to see one a year. Movie budgets need to be significantly slashed if hollywood is to remain viable.

>>212652877
Theyre clearly shelving Reevesverse no matter how positive Gunn has been about it. Incredibly dumb to have two batman, even more dumb to have a better batman than his own Bats.

Gunns gay ego will not take it so well

>>212652810
Since you appear to be OP with the rational wording, I will take you seriously. I do not expect a billy. However I do expect this to be biggest domestic release of 2025. Even I, a leaf, had some trepidation about purchasing a ticket to an overtly American product, and momentarily felt like a bad canadian. However like gotg, when asked by my normie friends and family, I told them how I felt about supergunn, and I am now seeing it again this week with my sibling and her children. Other normie and nerd friends have texted me this weekend asking the same and asking if I’m free this next week. The last time such a nexus of entertainment product and socialization occurred in my life was… gotg. Superman is too old and too beloved and too institutional to allow such a high quality product pass by most who care for trends or fashion or culture. I think we have all worked with that one coworker or fellow student or whomever that had that one superman tattoo.

>>212652810
This. Shills BTFO.

>>212652912
It took me 80 aud to for two tickets with my little sister who wanted the popcorn and drinks

its a fucking rip

>>212652877
I agree 500 million is perfect for making its budget back, this movie is a slam dunk no matter how you cut it

>>212652662 (OP)
The most important, structural aspects of the movie's underperformance are:
-capeshit is sinking further, while it won't go away and there could be a massive hit here and there, its heyday is gone for good,
-the audience is tired of politics in their movies/tv and Gunn was exceedingly stupid to highlight the "immigrant aspects" of his take;
-visual effects have become much worse than they were a full 10 years ago;
-capeshit "universes" are greedy attempts that will have to be massively scaled down.

>>212652912
>it would cost me over $200 AUD to take a family of 4 to the movies
I hope you're not including food

You cannot prove to me that the negative posts aren't from Snyderfags actively rooting against this movie.

>>212652662 (OP)
>>212652698
I think whoever in WB pushed for this "reboot" of the "universe" so quickly is missing the proper perspective. We had almost a decade of momentum built up from Snyder's DCEU and, whether you liked his take on it or not, the truth is that normies actually don't want to start over. It will take a generational reset, a generational forgetting, to set in before we can feasibly start over. The gap between Batman & Robin and Batman Begins was 8 years.

Also take into account that Snyder's DCEU had no narrative closure, ZSJL ended wide open. Can you imagine if the Harry Potter movies stopped at book 4, didnt finish the narrative, and annouced a full reboot starting from scratch? It would implode normie interest, which is what i believe is happening here. And WB knows it, which is why the shilling is so intense and rotten tomatoes is filled with fake reviews.

>>212653316
>momentum
Is it really momentum if the movies earnings imploded in the last few years of its life?

>>212653248
Rooting wouldn't change the essential fact that the movie is indeed a miss.

When did box officer numbers matter when enjoying a movie? not saying Superman is good but how many nigger cattle pay to watch it should be irrelevant

>>212652859
Because you are a hivemind monkey that chimps out the second people say they don't like this new version, they must be jeets. The lack of self awareness from Gunniggers is astounding

>>212652662 (OP)
You are just getting this from opening box office. Also you know ZERO MOVIES have gotten one billion and the movie industry is currently dying so maybe lower expectations a bit?

This movie is a huge success. I think this is not a critics movie its a fans movie, its a peoples movie, I noticed critics cant even wrap their heads around a "innocent Superman". Like take the RLM review where they made mistakes or said it was too innocent and funny and cute. People are looking for these things badly. This isn't a movie that does a -65% next week, you can quote me on that if you need someone to make fun of but I have a feeling its a -45% movie. People who are scared to waste their money on DC will hear from word of mouth that the movie is a great time for kids and parents and will make you laugh in one of the most depressing periods of American History ever. My audience was a lot of laughing and whooping. People were definitely loving it.

Does this movie have "tropes" yes but tropes can be comforting in uncomfortable times. That is my prediction that it eeks out a profit theatrically and makes a big profit on VOD. Also, they finally have a great showrunner in Gunn and accumulated good will.

I now see Gunns vision for Batman and Supergirl and I see big potential for both. Supergirl will have never been more relatable or dramatic and Batman will never have been more lovable and cartoonish on screen and I think I like that take. DC has a future again I think.

>>212653316
Anon, no movie after shazam from dceu was profitable. Joker is elseworlds btw. So is the batman, so of course the dceu was a flop.

The Batman was the only movie during the release of the last dceu bunch that was profitable.

>>212653517
>This movie is a huge success.
Not even your redditor chums believe that at this point

>>212653387
Dude, you know good and well the lore behind why the last few movies bombed. WB fired Snyder and purposefully derailed the DCEU into a free fall by hiring the likes of Whedon and Gunn. Ayer's Suicide Squad was a huge financial success and a cultural event, every girl wanted to be Harley Quinn on Halloween that year. Gunn's The Suicide Squad was a huge financial bomb and quietly forgotten. Anything past ZSJL is a purgatorial grey area not part of the original DCEU plan.

>>212653614
Okay but BvS still saw one of the biggest drops of all time in its second weekend and was essentially panned outside of fanboys.

>>212653519
I'm really only speaking on Snyder's 5-movie and maybe a few side movies. Obviously after they fired Snyder and tried to Marvel-ize JL via Whedon, the DCEU was effectively dead in the water.

>>212652662 (OP)
i do not know a single person i respect who watches capeshit

>>212652744
>Fantastic 4
everyone knows that movie looks like shit
and it'll have to make a fucking shit ton to break even with all the marketing it's done

>>212653677
Doesn't really matter. From the point of view of the normie zeitgeist, starting over is just not going to gel.

>>212653757
I cannot imagine how little hype they'd have without Pedro. And no, general audience could not care less about fucking Galactus.

supergirl is a hussy

>>212653614
> Ayer's Suicide Squad was a huge financial success and a cultural event, every girl wanted to be Harley Quinn on Halloween that year. Gunn's The Suicide Squad was a huge financial bomb and quietly forgotten.

Wrong. Suicide Squad just like MOS just like BvS fell off a cliff its second weekend. Meaning horrible word of mouth. WB ditched a sequel seeing it as damaged goods and just gave Harley her own movie. Gunn wanted to do the sequel. It under performing even with good critical repose is why studios look at second weekend. Just like Ang Lee’s Hulk. It has a record second weekend dropped at 69%. They tried to reboot it with the Ed Norton one but it did poorly at the box office because people were so turned off by The Hulk

>>212653803
no one is hyped for Pedro, the media jews have been shilling him across social media solely for F4

>>212653803
hows the youtube views hype for superdupeyman working out for you? lmao.

>>212654072
>no one is hyped for Pedro
You say that like TLOU viewership didn't get cut in half after his death.

>>212654005
You're getting lost in the analytic minutiae. The reason normies tolerated Snyder's portion of the DCEU and the MCU up to Endgame was because the releases were self-consistent and were working towards definitive narrative closure. Now we see in this post-Endgame and post-ZSJL era that these movies are ultimately frustrating viewers because of the lack of discernible narrative trajectory and lack of narrative closure.

Look at all the recent DC and Marvel movies in the past few years. There's no overarching narrative and thus there's nothing to look forward to.

The MCU has spiraled expectations into absolute cuckholdry. A flop is okay because it’s “building the brand.” Brands are built on top of successful products, not bad ones. If this one isn’t good why would the next one do any better? Supergirl is a significantly less popular character will do worse especially with the same marketing. This movie may have gotten Superman’s character “right” but it did just about everything else wrong. The bar is higher now and you need to make a quality product to reflect that. No more easy slop. It’s stupid to pretend any number of external factors except the movie itself is at fault.

>>212652662 (OP)
Domestically it’s doing fine but the international performance makes it unsustainable. Now the absolute best case scenario is just over 600m. And it only has a 2 week window before F4 eliminates it. Gunn was a fool to make the DCU a thing instead of making a single good movie adjacent to the Batman.

>>212654693
What a stupid comparison. Batman will sell regardless. You really have to fuck up to bomb a Batman movie. Even Batman & Robin was a box office success. But for whatever reason, Superman is a tough sell. Gunn addresses everyone reason people give as escuse why they they don’t like Superman. “He’s too powerful” He gets his as kicked most the movie. “He’s unreliable” This was most human Superman put on screen. Yet Thor, who is literally a god and his movies are just as goofy, people will go see. Makes no sense at all

>>212654005
>>212654439
>>212654536
Fuethermore, what else is frustrating viewers is the nebulous nature of all these releases. The fact that Gunn is planning to make anything other than a "Superman 2" means this is all going to fail sooner or later. Instead of remaining narratively focused and creating a single continuous story that normies can follow, we have this hazy cluster of loosely adjacent movies. Nobody wants to see solo movies for Hawkgurl and Superslut, but they'd be fine with those characters if they tagged along in a "Superman 2" sequel. Move FORWARD, stop spreading out.

>>212654975
Gunn has always been drawn to obscure characters for some reason

>>212654439
It’s the opposite. MCU succeeds only because shared Universe was a new thing on the big screen. After End Game, people are over it. Don’t want to do homework and watch some Disney+ Marvel show to understands what the fuck is going on in new Dr Strange movie.

>>212654975
Superman 2 was announced yesterday, anon

>>212654883
That's because normies are confused as to why Cavill isn't Superman anymore, and Corenswet is ugly, cock-eyed and just overall not sexy. Also, there is a foundational problem in that the script and premise for Gunn's Superman is just bad, and this emanates into every aspect the movie, from the trailers, to the posters, to the scene clips. None of it has cool factor, the "it" factor. There's nothing i can look at relating to this movie that makes me go, "oh wow that looks cool", and normie sentiment is probably the same.

>>212654883
The trailers made the movie look like dogshit though, ironically

>>212655059
It doesn't seem sincere though, he showcases them in a "yeah, this is an actual character in the comics, try not to laugh" kind of way

>>212655114
The entire DCU has collapsed. How will they salvage the already filmed Supergirl? Streaming? Shelving it for tax purposes?

>>212654883
Thor was riding the high of the mcu peak

>>212655160
Gonna be funny on what Zaslav will do. We all know that fucker is reactionary as fuck. Hes going to cut projects. Gunns going straight to twitter and say how those projects never took off in the first place. Fucking kek.

>>212652685
Shut up

>>212655141
your entire argument is predicated on the belief cinematic universes are what propel audiences to superhero films. if that were true, which it evidently is it not, the superhero film would not be successful before 2012 and the avengers. but they were, like a lot, for decades prior

>>212655160
Supergirl can only be salvaged if it can maintain a vastly low budget, very hard for a space cgi oriented film. If Superman made less than 400m Zaslav would probably consider making it a tax write off but that’s only possible if the legs fall off. In any case I think stuff like Clayface is a waste of time. Gunn should cancel everything and fast track Superman 2. But there’s nothing about this movie that’s an investment and DC has a horrible track record with sequels.

It's anti-white leftist propaganda

Anyone who bought tickets to this is anti-white

Gunn said he is not going to do a direct sequel to Superman. Guarantee he’s building his own Guardians of the Galaxy DC version. Superman as people said, will be Starllord with other “Justice” gang. It won’t be the Justice League but all obscure ones. You can already tell Metamorpho will be Drax

>>212654693
Fantastic Four is going to fucking flop, that'll be three duds in a row for that franchise. It's tracking terribly.

>>212655225
I'm only speaking within the context of the current paradigm of "universes" to dissect and explain its failure. Those much older previous releases in the pre-Universe era worked because they were mostly self-contained, that even with movies that had 1 or 2 sequels they quickly closed the narrative and/or fizzled out.

>>212652815
> Orange cock on the mind 24/7

Biden literally had trannies prancing around on the White House lawn and fag flags hanging. Shut the fuck up.

>>212655370
Lmao Superman just can’t catch a break. Although we already knew the moment Gunn was hired he was never going to make a true solo Superman film in the first place. These movies really are going to become forgettable garbage.

>>212652877
>That's why WB put the target at 500 million
That was done literally days ago as desperate damage control. It's not a target, it's an admission.
Also, Superman cost more than MoS-- and looks much worse

>>212655385
(You) are forgetting the reason superhero films exist in the first place. To see these characters we already enjoy on paper, and or video games or cartoon or pajamas or ice cream cakes or toys or figurines or pogs or little ceasar’s pizza or currently krispy kreme donuts, photographed in video and sound so we may see them in live action or “real life”. That’s it. That’s the whole ball game. That’s what normies care about. With any movie, with any adaptation. Why else make a Minecraft movie except to see the creeper in rtx 4K and 2013 graphics? You’ve gotten too lost in the sauce of contemporary fashion to miss the most obvious reason for the superhero film.

This appeal, this novelty, will literally never fade. Your only true argument, is the normie no longer cares for the superhero, thus they no longer care for photography of the live action superhero.

>>212655520
> Lmao Superman just can’t catch a break.

Well considering all people hoping this will bomb, chinks and Euro fags refusing to watch a Superman movie, sadly no real other option. Nobody likes Superman anymore I guess

>>212655370
>superman movie barely about him
>his sequel is barely about him too

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

The 500m was just a look of confidence. They didn’t actually think it might make less than that. They really want/need this thing to make 700m-800m. Just look at what they did for China lol.

>>212655641
I just don't understand the people who think it's going to make less. Right now worldwide it's going to hit $200 million just this weekend. Especially if the domestic box office is really strong, $800 million seems easy enough.

>>212655613
People liked Cavill who brought reasonable success with an alternative take. Trying to restart while using an overdone formula is a sure fire recipe for disaster.

>>212655641
Confidence? It's an abysmally low box office considering the budget, marketing campaign and the Superman brand itself

>>212655621
Well, maybe if you Snyde faggots actually liked the character you’d hope the movie does well. Because this is petty much it for solo Superman movies. You’ll just get more Batman shit and endless Spider Man movies. And if Supegirl ends up doing better, well, so long Superman

>>212655668
You are a newfag. Man of Steel was quite controversial when it came out.

>>212655658
Domestic is good. But overseas is hard crashing. Even at what it is right now 60/40, it will have a hard time hitting 600mil, and thats being optimistic on it not falling even more

>>212655658
You need to take an actual look at the statistics and comparisons. OS is basically dead. It would need a strong opening weekend followed by astounding legs stretching a month to get to 800m.

>>212655709
Not legitimately controversial

>>212655668
> People liked Cavill who brought reasonable success with an alternative take.

Why did MOS have a massive second weekend drop? Why did Batman-Superman not make a billion and also have a massive second weekend drop. I think MCU fans are right, DC fans are all talk online but don’t show up to support the movies like Marvel fans do

>>212652662 (OP)
It doesn't need to make money. This is about restoring the brand

Maybe I haven’t been here long enough but what’s with the fucking constant threads about this movie? Has /tv/ ever posted as obsessively about any other flick?

>>212655752
People hated what the movie did to Pa Kent and didn't like how grim and terrifying the Superman vs Zod fight was.

>>212655693
>Supegirl ends up doing better
Not happening

>>212655768
Cope

>>212655783
>People
You mean some superfags

>>212655836
there are tales in 2013 of children and parents walking out of the last act in mos. same with the knightmare scene in bvs. synder’s superman was truly terrifying for children, which I’ve had synderjeets proudly assert is a good thing, then wonder why their cult is a cultural pariah

>>212655898
Source?

>>212656066
There was a good comic strip ran when it the movie came out. A guy all excited to see a Superman movie and leaving MOS confused and depressed

>>212656066
>>212655898
>>212655836
>>212655822
>>212655797
>>212655783
Superman saves Palestine. I love him.

>>212656066
source: being alive in 2013 and 2016. using the internet and social media. knowing people and or family with children. just generally being alive with a conscious and working memory

this is not an internet argument. there is no winning or losing. I am telling you, children were absolutely terrified when superman punched through batman’s heart. (You) can say oh it’s made for adults or the pg-13 rating or whatever. it was the decade of superheroes, avengers were everywhere, and moms took their actual children like young humans to see the batman and superman movie and were absolutely horrified

and again, synderjeets pretend this is a good thing

>>212656170
>Source: my ass

too /pol/ retardation in it and euros don't like that shit. Also, jeets and chinks don't give a shit about it by default. It will be a miracle if it won't lose money, really

>>212656170
>superman punched through batman’s heart
What?

>>212656277
>>212656243

squirrel move does bad, no director will ever want to direct a Superman movie. No winning. Gunn did everything you can expect from a director. Got good reviews. Good audience scores. Addressed all the complaints people had with the character. There is no winning when it comes to Superman. Can put almost no effort into directing Jurassic Park movie or Spider Man and it will be a success

>>212656306
*This movie

>>212656306
>Addressed all the complaints people had
Yeah that always works so well

>>212656306
How about making a genuinely inspired movie? When Nolan brought Batman back from the abyss he wasn't thinking about correcting the "mistakes" of Schumacher.

>>212656243
at least you’re not pretending a superman that scares children is a good thing. so have a (You)

>>212656306
>Addressed all complaints
>Superman gets his ass kicked most of the time
>Needs to be saved from his arch nemesis by a stupid dog
>Gunn proved he can't write capeshit without a group of misfits
>No scene of Superman saving lois
>A nigger acts more like superman than he himself
>Paper thin plot
>No development for characters
>Not a single iconic superman scene like the flight from MoS or the plane saving scene from returns that you remember for ages
>Superman gets kicked in the balls literally
Damn

>>212656441
Nolan's ultra-gritty take was clearly an attempt to correct for the campy tone of Schumacher's film though?? I guess you could just call that Nolan's style but he was hired by the studio to pivot direction for the brand as people knew it back then.

>>212656463
Based Gunnkek sourcing his frequently used ass.

>>212656471
Also
>All men in this flick cry like a bitch

>>212656471
You’re a stupid seething jeet so you obviously have no idea what people always bitch about Superman

>He’s too powerful
Loses a fight at the start of the movie and gets beat by goon clone. Kryptonite only being used once to detain him
>He has no personality and is boring
This is most human versions of Superman yet
>He needs to save people
Literally all he does the entire movie, even a squirrel

>>212656640
>No argument
Concession accepted Gunnjeet.
>H-He should be r-relatable!
There's a difference between making someone relatable and a joke. Donner understood that. Gunnpedo doesn't.

>>212656708
Please understand, he needs to make harem of young girls and boys.

>>212656580
Please say sike

>>212652912
People underestimating the effects of inflation are morons.

The 70s had inflation less harsh than our current economies.
The common trend for the 70s? Movies, luxury car sales, airplane travel? DOWN. Food, healthcare, insurance? UP
Essentials in, discretionary spending out, a very clear pattern.

>>212652662 (OP)
>utterly destroying thunderbolts
This was an assemble movie sold as the new avengers, the face of a new phase and it's getting ass raped by superchad. Being now the dominant capeslop factory is a win bigger than you think, amazon is happy to lose money in order to dominate the competition and thats what this movie is doing (looks like it's going to break even by next week anyway but still)

>>212656708
Not really retard. Spider Man has been the most popular comic book character since the minute he came out because “he’s a loser nerd, I can relate” Raimi’s Peter went even further making Peter a loser, and it’s most popular version. People like Batman “he doesn’t got power, so I can relate” Nobody is interested in a stoic “symbol” which is why Superman popularity been in the dumpster. Smallville was successful because basically made Clark into Peter Parker

>>212656845
>Make superman anything but himself
Kek

>>212656545
…do you… do you think a superman that frightens children is a good thing?

>>212652912
It's struggling for reasons other than the movie itself. Superman is a symbol of america, and america's reputation right now is in the dumpster. People were cheering for the houties for fucks sake

>>212656925
>Still didn't provide source
As expected.

>>212656941
okay, but do you think a superman that scares children is a good thing?

>>212656899
Gunn version was very close to comic book Superman. I take all you know about Superman is MOS and STAS, both made by Batman guys. If you don’t think Superman was never a “Christ” character until Donner made him out to be. Superman Returns took it even further and Snyder just kept with it

>>212656934
As much as I’m inclined to agree, i doubt this is a core reason.
Mission Impossible made around half a billy world wide in May and America’s rep was just as bad then as it is now.

>>212657187
MI is an established franchise and not directly linked to the US like Superman is. They can remove “American Way” but Superman very much is a symbol of the US

>>212653316
There hasn't been momentum for either DC or Marvel for quite some time. Everything being released has been bad, so people have general fatigue for the genre.

>>212657244
Not a genre

>>212652708

AI posting. The absolute dregs of no effort garbage verbiage.

>>212657303
>can't read more than two sentences

>>212657243
Dude, MI is literally Tom Cruise running around working for the (not) CIA.

>>212656170
Dude you are such a lying sack of shit.

>>212652685
Not with that woke pro-immigrant pro-feminist agenda, dude.
$550 million tops. You underestimate how sick people are of wokeism.

>>212657457
children, like 6-10 year olds, don’t react well to superman either snapping necks and or punching through batman’s heart. I have conversated with many a synderjeet and even then do not deny this visceral violence is both inappropriate for children and why it’s so much better than marvel products. you guise literally say this, even now on /tv/ today yesterday the day before, synder is for adults and gunn is for children.

>>212657657
Ummmm bro... Why tf are you scoping out children...??

>>212657696
if the synderjeets of this thread cannot conversate, and instead resort to single sentence insults, they will continue to exist as the lower life form we all condemn you for. I am extending a hand of dignity to your otherwise soiled and repugnant antogonism. You do not deserve it but you have it anyways, as Clark would too. Perhaps not your Clark, but mine does

>>212657901
Brevity is the soul of wit.

>>212657981
And purple is the shade of regality.

>Gunnkek imagining scenarios of grouping young children for "his" Superman
Um, Based?

>>212655370
It's World's Finest, anon.

>>212658180
Kek

>>212657657
>rated PG-13
>upset that it wasn't made with the sensibilities of 6-10 year olds in mind

>>212652662 (OP)
Dumb esl poster

>>212652662 (OP)
>For instance, it is likely that this movie is going to struggle to make $600 million dollars worldwide when all is said and done.
Once again, 400-500 million tops, that's it.

>>212656306
Gunn got Superman’s character “right” but sacrificed literally everything else to get there

>>212658781
who gives a shit. either you liked the movie or not tranny

It has made 123M on opening weekend domestically. Less than MoS's 128 M (counting the pre-screenings), worldwide ticket sales don't look good at all.

>>212658915
I don’t get it. What about Sunday?

>>212653064
At 365m budget (as per filed tax docs) and at least 100m marketing, a 500m box office take will see a significant loss for WB. They don't get 100% of ticket sales, maybe 50% if they are lucky.

>>212658915
Damn, what are the OS numbers?

>>212659323
Abysmally dogshit
It's outright bombing in major markets outside of Latin America
The Chinese numbers are so fucking terrible they might as well not have even bothered releasing it there

>>212659346
Kek Trump really fucked hollywood with the tarrifs.

>>212652810
A team of misfits has more global appeal than goody two shoes boyscout.

>>212653517
>This movie is a huge success.
Bro, give up. It's over.

>>212655613
>Nobody likes Superman anymore I guess
People want cool guys who do cool things and looks cool as fuck doing them.

>>212659434
Nah, China realized years ago that they could make more money making their own shit than rely on Hollywood.

>>212659095

Don't do that. Gunn explicitly says that's wrong.

> but r*ddit!

Please don't. Just assume amateurs playing online gotcha games are wrong.

>>212658438
500~ is solid and expect
but theres a chance it ends up in the mid 400s because of how fast overseas is dropping. which will be incredibly funny, DOM cant carry all the way kek

>Maybe hope is the new grunge

This about sums it up

>>212659719
You thief

A Superman movie barely making 500 million while trash remakes like HTTYD or Lilo & Stitch easily clear that is hilarious. This is a debacle. Gunn is a flop machine which is actually poetic justice seeing how he has tried to humiliate and drag all superheroes through the mud for many years.

>>212659760
just like the waynes

>>212659765
Please consult the graph.

>>212659789
Kek>>212658915

>>212659813
Sorry, chuddy. >>212659789 says otherwise

>>212659789
What are the OS numbers Pepe?

>>212659789
source?

>>212659828
Sorry Pedo>>212658915 and OS says otherwise.

>>212652859
Nice try gunnjeet

I respect the dedication.

>>212659765
They say Feige is nothing without Gunn but what about vice versa? Gunn’s DC stuff so far might as well be throwing WB’s money into the toilet and taking a shit on it. Safran too, he oversaw Shazam 1 and 2.

FM BRANDS CORENSWET:
ONE OF THE GOOD ONES.

>>212659945
Based

Really enjoyed the Mr.Terrific movie. Looking forward to the Lobo one next year.

>>212659985
Gunn is about to learn that nobody cares about the additional media like animated tv shows, tv shows, video games in one shared universe

Marvel already learnt the hard way with their tv shows and the recent movies like cap and thunderbolts

Is superover.
This will not clear 600M global, hell even getting 500m is a maybe, international is a complete disaster, domestic is inflated by the 30M+ previews.
The new DCEU is DOA, no way supergirl can make money.

This is also the death of the "marvel quippy action comedy", this is very very very bad for gunn.
This also set in stone how superman is not a global draw.

>>212660081
Redditors are coping saying why europe/uk is so low is because of the heatwave btw

trust the plan

next week will cool down and cool up for superman

Gunnsisters.........

>>212660081
Even if someone is a Gunnshill they should be incredibly concerned about Supergirl

Why the fuck did Gunn choose to do a fucking Supergirl sequel which is so similar to Superman as the 2nd DCU movie?

>>212660070
The TV shows are absolutely retarded. It’s 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars that are “recouped” by arbitrary metrics. Unless you have a GoT or AoT on your hands it’s pointless. It’s one thing to create just a movie universe (which is already a bad idea right now) but to hold the entire franchise except for comics hostage is delusional and ridiculously self centered.

Gunn's DC universe won't make it pass five years if Superman is just doing ok and Supergirl will be bombing. (Gunn's other DC projects will probably be to low budget to officially flop but it will bring the brand name down.) Plus making 2 Batmen compete is just stupid. Along with no one caring about Peacemaker i predict Gunn's DC universe will be DOA.

>>212660180
And a clayface movie, who asked for that? Not to mention it will need big enough budget to get decent CG for the character. The retard hasn't cast his Batman and Wonder Woman yet.

>>212660180
Because theres bridging media between the gaps of movies. We have Peacemaker S2 which continues from Superman with the James Gunn gang and the Lanterns show before Supergirl

>>212660166
ScarJo is starting to enter prime hag territory

THE DOG WAS MINE TO RAPE LUTHOR YOUR SON OF A BITCH FUUUCCCKKKKKKKKKKK

>>212660081
>no way supergirl can make money.
Who the fuck's gonna watch that? Dudes? Chicks? Who's it gonna be for?

>>212660207
I agree. Disney saw first hand with how movies that were pretty much sequels to their tv shows flopped hard and reeled back on those productions

Meanwhile gunn confirmed they want 2 movies and 2 tv shows are year for the DCU

>>212660228
>Because theres bridging media between the gaps of movies.
This doesn't work. Why make your shared universe difficult to get into? Most people aren't nerds who want to see everything.

Reddit isn’t deluding themselves with Supergirl. They know with a 200m budget it’s toast. The character isn’t there and Superman didn’t garner enough investment to translate over.

>>212660297
Also didn't they say that the Lanterns show was like True Detective? How the fuck are they going to blend the tone of a serious crime thriller with the fart jokes of Superman?

Really obvious that Gunn rolled the dice of Superman 2025 doing so well it'd give him the capital at WB to force Reeves to merge his universe with his he put a bunch of similar creative and directing choices in it to contrast with The Batman.

He miscalculated though and now I guess he has to bet on WB executives panicking and demanding Reeves merge regardless of Supersaar's shit Box Office performance

>>212660303
Look at the release window for supergirl too

its fucked lmao

>>212660276
>Meanwhile gunn confirmed they want 2 movies and 2 tv shows are year for the DCU

>>212652698
I'm just sick of big budget comic book movies. Go back to making a bunch of 30 million dollar movies. Original stories, new ideas.
All of those end up stretched to 10 episodes on streaming. It's a fucked up system. I don't like it anymore. And now anyone who wants to make some sort of action kind of a thing has to turn it INTO a comic thing to get their idea looked at. The Punisher and The Penguin are two shows that seem to have comic shit attached as an afterthought. That's fine I guess but it's bullshit they need to do that to get things made now.

When will the superhero bubble finally burst? Not when they're thinking the next fucking decade into these "universes".

>>212660357
Fuck you I liked the Mysterion Netflix show

>>212652698
>The Batman Begins argument cope

Again Gunn tranny you know what Batman Begins and even to a lesser extent MoS had?
DVD sales

Those don't exist anymore
You lost fuck off and move on your shit movie is a failure

>>212660416
>DVD sales
And merch. Batmerch always sells well. Wearing a Superman shirt's for fat four eyed fucks.

>>212660265
Zoomer women? They got mamoa doing some "superbiker" in it.

Is the classic "we have male nerds in the bag, let's go for the female now", lol good luck.

>>212660416
You're one of those Snyder guys. I can tell. YOU lost. YOU move on. There's no Snyder return happening.

>>212652662 (OP)
Man of Steel wasn't a failure. The movies being extremely profitable only stopped after Aquaman, when Snyder and his plans were not involved anymore.

>>212660457
SHUT UP you don't know that!!

I wonder what crying reaction guy thought of it.

Do you guys think those reaction fuckers are mad that they can't livestream their "reactions" from the theater in real time? I bet they'd just love to.

>>212660467

>>212660411
Tupperware was the only one I was actually looking foward to

>>212660539
Josstice league ain't a Snyder flick.

>>212660341
>demanding Reeves merge
That'd really be game over for any and all matters DC if that happens. If anything the universe shit should be scrapped

>>212652662 (OP)
>>212658272
This is the only way superman could ever hope to make a billion. Although I would be disgusted if they brought The Batman into this new reddit millenial chungus slop. Recast superman for somebody handsome and buff (WHITE), and somebody of very similar looks for Batman (who is able to be witty and sarcastic). Make a movie about Bruce Wayne showing up to Metropolis, Clark being instructed to try and get a scoop on him and discovering he's Batman. Superman is a boyscout and thinks Batman's ways are too crude and thinks there's an alternative to simply beating up his villains, Batman thinks Superman is too reliant in his Super-strength and is nothing without it (this Batman is fairly new and doesn't have an arsenal of gadgets yet). Have Kiteman appear doing a heist which Batman tries to foil until Killer Moth appears and they fight it out and ultimately escape, Batman sees a tiny piece of green crystal on the floor and puts it into his utility belt to inspect. Suddenly either Lex in a kryptonite power suit or Metallo etc appears and Superman is getting fucked up and weakened. Batman tries to fight him to no avail has to reluctantly use an advanced armoured suit/attachments (shock gauntlets) to fight Superman's villain, while Superman has to try and fight and apprehend Batman's. Batman throws an earpiece to Superman who is losing and Alfred instructs Superman how to fight as a human. Superman learns humility and an understanding of Batman, and Batman learns that humans ultimately do have a limit and he can't rely on his own skills and training, therefore he needs to expand his arsenal and capabilities. Easy 1-2 billion dollars.

>>212660588
Supershit ain't passing 600mil. Reeves would rather walk out than merge with fart jokes universe.

>>212660584
dumbass missing the point

>Los Angeles, CA – August 15, 2025 – In a seismic shift for DC Studios, Warner Bros. Discovery has announced that acclaimed filmmaker Matt Reeves will take over as CEO of DC Studios, replacing James Gunn after the lackluster box office performance of Gunn’s highly anticipated Superman reboot. The move comes as Warner Bros. seeks to recalibrate its DC Universe (DCU) strategy following a string of financial and critical challenges.

>Gunn’s Superman, released on July 11, 2025, was intended to launch a bold new era for the DCU under his and co-CEO Peter Safran’s leadership. Starring David Corenswet as the Man of Steel, the film was praised by some critics for its fresh take and vibrant energy, earning an 82% Certified Fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. However, despite a strong $22.5 million in domestic preview earnings and a global opening weekend of $210 million, the film fell short of expectations, grossing just $350 million worldwide against a reported $225 million production budget and an estimated $150–$200 million in marketing costs. Industry analysts projected a break-even point of at least $500–$600 million, a target the film failed to meet, prompting concerns about the DCU’s viability.

>The disappointing performance of Superman added to the pressure on Gunn, whose vision for a cohesive DCU was seen as a critical test for Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav’s strategy to rival Marvel’s cinematic universe. Sources close to the studio indicate that Zaslav, frustrated by the film’s inability to match the box office success of previous DC hits like The Batman ($772 million in 2022) or Aquaman ($1.15 billion in 2018), moved swiftly to restructure leadership. Gunn, who also wrote and directed Superman, will step down as co-CEO but is expected to remain involved in select DC projects, including the upcoming Peacemaker Season 2.

>>212660690
>Enter Matt Reeves, the visionary director behind The Batman (2022), which not only grossed nearly $800 million globally but also spawned the critically acclaimed HBO series The Penguin. Reeves, known for his grounded, character-driven storytelling, is seen as a natural choice to steer DC Studios toward a more consistent and audience-resonant future. His appointment signals a potential shift toward a less interconnected, more standalone approach to DC’s cinematic offerings, building on the success of his “Batman Epic Crime Saga,” which operates under the DC Elseworlds label.

>“Matt Reeves has proven himself as a master storyteller with a deep understanding of DC’s iconic characters,” Zaslav said in a statement. “His vision for The Batman reinvigorated one of our most beloved properties, and we believe he can bring that same clarity and passion to the broader DC Universe.”

>Reeves’ transition to CEO comes with immediate challenges. The DCU’s upcoming slate, including Supergirl (starring Milly Alcock) and Clayface (starring Tom Rhys Harries), was greenlit under Gunn’s tenure, and Reeves will need to decide whether to continue with the interconnected “Gods and Monsters” framework or pivot to a model that emphasizes standalone stories, much like his own The Batman.

>>212660714
>Fan reactions on X are mixed, with some expressing disappointment over Gunn’s departure, citing his creative risks and the positive critical response to Superman. “Gunn tried to bring heart and humor back to DC, and they’re throwing him under the bus for one underperforming film,” one user posted. Others, however, are optimistic about Reeves’ leadership, pointing to his track record. “Reeves’ The Batman was a masterpiece. If anyone can save DC, it’s him,” another fan wrote.

>Reeves is expected to assume his role effective immediately, with Peter Safran remaining as co-CEO to oversee production and business operations. The studio has not yet announced whether Reeves will continue directing The Batman: Part II, slated for 2027, or delegate creative duties to focus on his executive responsibilities.

>As DC Studios navigates this pivotal transition, all eyes will be on Reeves to deliver a unified vision that restores confidence in the brand. With the superhero genre facing increasing scrutiny and audience fatigue, Reeves’ ability to craft compelling, grounded stories may be the key to DC’s resurgence—or its next chapter of uncertainty.

>>212660456
>Zoomer women? They got mamoa doing some "superbiker" in it
Don't think that's gonna be enough if the everything else turns them off

>>212660732
Is supposed to be a space adventure or something.

>>212660772
Yeah, they don't like that. It'll flop.

>>212660121
>Redditors are coping saying why europe/uk is so low is because of the heatwave btw
EUfag here cinemas are like freezers, if there was a place I'd go to escape heat i'd be the cinema

>>212660690
350 MILLION?! Can somebody do the leg math to see what that second weekend drop off would look like

I saw it in imax last night and the biggest audience reaction was from Peacemaker’s cameo

>>212652662 (OP)
It has to make above 670 million to justify the cancelation of Cavill regardless

>>212652662 (OP)
Snyderchuds miss out on having a gf like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRlVHMwL5Xs

>>212652698
DC couldn't compete with marvel and needed a way to distinguish itself. Nolan and Snyder did that to great success. Then a bunch of hacks tried to ride this wave of success and introduce MCU slop narratives, which defeated the original vision of distinguishing itself from Marvel, and flopped. Do you understand? Nolan and Snyder were saving DC. Following the MCU formula is what killed it, and trying to reboot it while still following the MCU formula is doomed to fail. You dumb fucks have it all wrong.

>>212661743
None of his movies made over 900m despite incredible wom. There’s a reason he was never selected to make an Avengers movie.

Gunn’s best movie grossed less than Snyder’s worst movie. Now he finally got Superman for the taking and he fucked it. Superman’s not even the best character in his own movie. My normie friend put him at number 3 behind Guy and Mr.Terrific. This is a director that had unlimited hype, marketing, and was supposedly immune to capeshit fatigue. Now people are coming up with any excuse other than he simply made a mediocre movie.

the nanite scene got me fucked up
the shoulder dislocation as well

>>212661030
Is going to do 200something, not 350.
Drop will still be huge, over 60% due to actual domestic being less than 90, inflated by 30+ millions from preview.

>>212661933
That 350 refers to domestic + os

>>212661719
Nah, the idea to make more edgy stuff was on point, but snyder in the end mostly made mid movies, even nolan made a good movie every 2.

Then they lacked a big narrative, then they rushed, then they changed the tone.

If this movie came out today it would be praised as a masterpiece Zoomers truly have shit tastes for thinking that Pedogunn Homosexual Superman is good thats why Hollywood keeps making trash movies they see the rest of the population as stupid low iq monkeys

>>212661959
Yes, that's domestic (110-120) + overseas (80-90).

Is bombin HARD overseas.

>>212652662 (OP)
>While it is still too soon
That's the problem with all these fuckin superman threads. Too soon. All speculation and hyperbole. You either don't give a fuck or give a fuck too much. How about lets just watch the fucking movie first before making a hundred threads.

>>212662043
>If this movie came out today it would be praised as a masterpiece Zoomers truly have shit tastes for thinking that Pedogunn Homosexual Superman is good
Most zoomers don't give a shit. Go outside, ya sheltered retard.

>>212662029
>the idea to make more edgy stuff was on point
Especially since that's what kids are into nowadays with shit like FNAF and Sonic.EXE

Why people care so much about how much money the studio fucking makes???

Snyderjeets?
Snyderjeets are dead, my friend
You can call us Gunnjeets!
And as you can see, we are a lot happier!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJorkO2AjuM

>>212662279
Ah, what a day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDp9o47YX0Y

>>212662199
>Why people care so much about how much money the studio fucking makes???
Because the movie needs to make money to be successful. It flops, you get nothing else. Supply and demand.

>>212652685
In 20 years maybe

>>212652662 (OP)
The rhetoric on this movie has changed so drastically that it’s hilarious.
>This movie is hitting a billy, chuds
>”James Gunn says Superman doesn’t need to hit $700 million to be successful”
>Gunn is being modest! Look at the trailer views! It’s hitting a billy!
>THE HYPE IS REAL
>THIS IS A HUMAN SUPERMAN
>LOOK AT THE PRESALES
>AMAZON SCREENING TICKETS BREAKING RECORDS
>Superman SOARS to a high box office domestic opening and RESTORES the DC Universe
Meanwhile, literally no one outside of America gives a fuck about Superman and this thing will be lucky if it scratches $500 million. Fucking kek

>>212654883
superman is just so damn boring
they do some interesting things with him in the comics but on screen he is always a dud
snyder even tried to implement some ideas and somehow didn't get further than "yo! he kinda like god guys" and "but what if the all-powerfull figure decides he knows better than us? scary, innit?" without actually exploring the setting
like what the fuck

>>212653517
CAPITALIZE more words and you'll sound like Trump

>>212653517
Tell me one thing we saw in this movie that we haven’t seen in a million other Marvel movies. Lighthearted, fun, and tropey? Isn’t that Ant-Man? Thor: Ragnarok? Spider-Man: Homecoming? Literally all of these movies are the same and while American audiences seem to be mobilized, literally no one outside the US seems interested. And last I checked, Hollywood has spent the last decade caring as much if not more about international box office than domestic box office. And they can’t get a fucking shekel from Europe or Asia. Whoopsies

>>212652662 (OP)
it's all been MAGA trash cope.

>" it's going to be a shitty movie becuz waaaah woke!"
>certified fresh on RT
>"buh buh it's going to flop"
>huge opening weekend in USA
>"buh buh it's going to flop internationally"
no matter what, there's going to be boatloads of sniveling MAGA trash cope around this movie.

It's a good movie, I saw it yesterday, it's as good of a Superman movie since the Donner director's cut of Sup II

>>212663726

People are reaching for wild stuff like geopolitics and the weather as explanations for the flop. Pretty damn funny. I didn't watch it because i prefer the gritty, grounded take. That's it. Hopefully Reeves tells Gunn & co to fuck off when they come for that character.

>>212653517
This post is very sad. I'm sorry bud but this is a very fan frontloaded movie. It'll crater next weekend and F4 will end its run on tbe next one

Can someone explain how the weekend box office works. Does Sunday not count?

>>212663726
So crying about Trump is your next cope, huh?

>>212653757
never said that it would succeed but it would kill the box office collection for pooperman

Updated Over Seas stats came out and they're even fucking worse than the already underwhelming earlier stats

>>212664158
Modern "Opening Weekend" includes Thursday previews (older films didn't which is why some people bring up they aren't included in stuff like Man of Steels reported OW) Friday, Saturday and Sunday

>>212655709
nerds on internet don't count

>>212655370
>Guarantee he’s building his own Guardians of the Galaxy DC version.
He should just make a Legion movie then.

They will just release what they've already filmed and then call it a day for James Gunn's DCU and DC Studios, anons. WB splitting into two is to offset the loss they're going to get from investing so heavily into this dumb plan. The Batman: Part II script announcement was the final nail in the coffin for this DCU. Reeves and Gunn are not on speaking terms and Reeves answers only directly to WB chiefs.

Ya know The Batman would fit in nicely with Apple content

>>212655783
>People hated what the movie did to Pa Kent and didn't like how grim and terrifying the Superman vs Zod fight was.
that's what people liked retard, grim and realistic, not this wokefest

Made 38m yesterday for a 94m total. It needs to make 35m today to beat MoS DOM opening which needs to maintain within a 9% drop, very very hard to do. 400m domestic is out the window. The best case scenario for it is landing some above 500m. It has 11 days before F4 arrives. I don’t believe in WOM sentiment.

>>212661719
>>212652698
To add onto this the DC products from last decade that people talk about in every media are on dark and mature side:
Games: Arkham, Injustice
Movies: Nolans, Snyders, The Batman, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Aquaman
Animated Movies: Flashpoint, Suicide Squad, Red Son, (and ofcourse batman flicks)
Now, they want to go like we are the goofy ass niggas with all that 1970s vibe. Outside of nerds, noone is gonna take this bait.

>>212655709
In the same way Bay's Transformers were controversial. Or Anderson's Resident Evil. It's always a particular creative vision and target audience that elicits said response. You won't see the "controversial" talking point pop up over Transformers: One or Superman (2025). Suddenly it's all "well-received" and if they don't perform well it's only due to bad marketing, Trump, the weather or whatever.

>>212661719
>DC couldn't compete with marvel and needed a way to distinguish itself
Could've been the Console Wars for cape flicks. Light vs Dark. Marvel vs DC.

>>212664703
DC has always thrived in dark and serious tones.

>>212664192
You didn't refute any of his points and trump is openly protecting jewish pedos like himself THOUGH

>>212664857
Maybe that cancelled Justice League Dark movie could've been a hit.

>>212663276
On the other hand Marvel has been pretty quiet about Fantastic Four. I think we all know that one will flop

>>212652662 (OP)
If this post ends in repeating numbers, Gunn's Superman film will make a billion dollars.

>>212663346
What kills me is that Superman has a huge gallery of villains but is always Luthor or Zod, I'm dying to watch him figth Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Mongul, The Intergang and so on.

>>212664126
Jeremy Jahns was way off on this one and I say this as someone who enjoys BOTH the Snyderverse AND the Gunnverse. Chris Stuckmann gave a fairer (and therefore better) review for Gunn's Superman film, even though I usually prefer Jeremy as a reviewer.

>>212666384
Based, couldn't agree more. Superman has most kino and diverse rogues gallery other than Batman and Spider-Man in my opinion, yet these Warner faggots keep pivoting back to Luthor or Zod all the time when I want to see Superman fight Toyman or Mr Mxyzptlk (just to give a couple of examples) on the big screen. Imagine how kino it would be to see a movie where Superman goes on a psychedelic journey to the fifth dimension to fight Mr Mxyzptlk.

>>212666642
spoiler: gunn has already discussed the role of mxyzptlk with rainn wilson

keep it yourself though, /tv/

>>212666642
* Superman has the most kino and diverse rogues gallery other than Batman and Spider-Man in my opinion

>>212666684
I could accept a Gunn movie with Mxyzptlk as villan, it's his kind of movie.

>>212666881
his kind of movie could even be one of the world’s finest

>>212663726
>>212663751
KEK, these is great!!

>>212663726
>>212663751
kek based

>>212663726
>>212663751
LMAO

>>212652662 (OP)
>For instance, it is likely that this movie is going to struggle to make $600 million dollars worldwide when all is said and done.
>Naturally, that would put it significantly behind Man of Steel and The Batman. So clearly it's a failure.
So it opened bigger than Man of Steel or The Batman, but somehow will struggle to match their box office despite better critical and audience scoring?

>>212652662 (OP)
How much damage has Trump and Republicants done to Hollywood?

>>212652662 (OP)
Superman will make 700 million domestic and 200-300 million overseas.

>>212667599
>despite better critical and audience scoring
Critics usually don't see eye to eye with the typical movie-goer, and most don't bother to leave a score/review.

>>212667631
Rent-free.

>>212667737
So your weak premise is that critical reviews and word of mouth don't affect a movie? It's what killed Man of Steel's chances at a billion.
I know you were only 10 at the time, but WB pushed Man of Steel harder than almost any movie I can think of. It was given an enormous budget by the day's standards, (more than Avengers) and had a year-long marketing push across every possible market. It wasn't supposed to compete with Iron Man, it was supposed to surpass Nolanbats.
The critics and audience reviews killed its chances.
Whereas Wonder Woman got great critic and audience reviews, and despite a weaker open than Man of Steel blew past it.
You sound like you need to put the copium tank down for a while.

>>212667878
>The critics and audience reviews killed its chances.
It got a A- cinemascore same as Nu-Superman and Nu-The Batman

>>212667633
Gunnsisters........

>>212667878
>>212668338
I will never tire of this dance between the superfan’s well written and earnest post and the single sentence idiocy of reply by the synderjeet. some things truly are self evident

>good movie
>not a flop
snydersisters on suicide watch

>>212668434
Based. Gunnkeks BTFO.

>>212668434
america’s tariffs are actively trying to destroy their economy. so either theyre pissed or it’s working

>>212668507
It's literally not even going to beat MoS's unadjusted total gross. That's fucking pathetic.

>>212668565
don't you have a directors cut of rebel moon to watch?

Gunn was the entirely wrong person to bank billion dollar media franchising on. Also, half of his 'work' is just Disney showing up, it isn't like he's some Sam Raimi that had other cult classics under his belt before he was handed some capeshit before it became this by-the-numbers production.

>>212668652
konnichiwa, dude

>>212668543
This has nothing to do with tariffs. Superman movies have never done well in China because Superman has never interested that part of the world.

OP here. A hearty thank you to everyone for the engagement as this thread winds down.

I’ve learned a bunch of things from you.

Actually, no, I haven’t. You just did exactly what I expected. Not only did most of you simply jump to conclusions based on one sentence of my post instead of, you know, reading it for full context, all you did was spout your own agendas and ignore every ounce of nuance I tried to include in my writing. Only furthering the problem with misinformation and disinformation that I mentioned in my original post.

There is no way to have any meaningful discourse around this film. The statistics will be distorted, it will be proclaimed an absolute failure even if it wasn’t and it will be proclaimed an absolute juggernaut even if it wasn’t.

As I previously stated in my post, the domestic market is looking good. What legs it will have following this weekend remains to be seen. European box-office is even worse than previously realized and the movie is dead in the water in China.

Without those markets contributing heavily, a billion dollars is nigh impossible. And now, pundits are claiming that Superman may struggle to even move far past $500 million. The domestic pull of this movie is its only salvation for a higher gross.

>>212652662 (OP)
>Is Superman a failure or a success?
This doesn't matter. All of these stupid threads about the movie are centered around one thing: SUPERMAN MADE MONEY.

Like, so? I don't care about that. I want human opinion and interaction but all these shill marketers can do is report figures with a ChatGPT prompt making a generic opening post and then abandon the thread to make an identical one quoting figures and numbers that I don't care about.

4chan is done. /tv/ sucks.

God this fucking movie has TRUTHERS now?

This movie did well its opening weekend. Opening weekend doesn’t mean shit though. It’s always been about the second weekend. Why MOS and most of the Snyder movies failed because of historic second weekend drops. That’s when the bad reviews and word of mouth bite you in the ass.

>>212668434
China does not like the message of kindness. China likes the message of cruelty. It is the birthplace of the suicide net.

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>>212667493
Your samefagging is incredibly obvious.

>it will be proclaimed an absolute failure even if it wasn’t and it will be proclaimed an absolute juggernaut even if it wasn’t.
No one is claiming it's a juggernaut retard, it's just all the idiots desperate to claim it's a flop

>>212652752
>tfw an Indian is shot in his head and its played like a joke in this movie
What a savage

>>212673190
Literally all of the trades are hyperbolizing its opening weekend

>>212671497
Wasn’t the suicide net installed there by Apple?

superman is a shit superhero

>>212652662 (OP)
Wait, people actually liked this garbage?

>dog literally hijacks every major moment. Every time there's tension "haa haa look le dog saves the day again oh my god it's wagging its tail, awww so wholesome. overdone, inorganic, forced "quirky charm"
>nobody in the movie acts like a real human
civilians just stand around during crises like actual NPCs. major battles, explosions, collapsing buildings and zero evacuations, no real panic, no injuries somehow no civilian casualties at all?? what is this, Lego Batman?
>political drama was painfully out of place
>dialogues are surface-level Twitter bait,
completely killing pacing
>Terrible CGI. looked plasticky and cheap in several action scenes
>no real plot. zero payoff. nothing engaging or memorable in terms of story
>left theater feeling absolutely nothing
I won't get baited into watching capeshit again

>>212670589
This movie's problem doesn't boil down to a second weekend, though. It's international performance is what's killing it. Domestic gross will hardly matter if they can't generate interest in any big market overseas

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>>212664306
ITS FAILING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKZo2g4ig0I

You guys got money on this or some shit?