ITT: What did you actually think of the movie Enough of box office and shit flinging.

I loved the movie. Its a great course correction for Superman. It reminded me of how I felt watching the 78 movie as a kid. There's that sweetness and optimism that made the character stand out to me. The movie is full of cliches but because I was enjoying myself I didnt really care much. I wish some things were fleshed out like Lois and Clarks relationship (it seems like theres a scene missing before that storyline concludes) or ma and pa Kent but as a set up for further stories Im on board.

>>212669259 (OP)
Hated it. Simple as. It caters to the toxic Indian Fandom.

>I felt watching the 78 movie as a kid.
At least make your lies believable.

IMAGINE STILL WATCHING CAPESHIT

>>212669259 (OP)
If I wanted to watched MCU films, I'd watch phase 1 and phase 2. Rated the movie 5/10. Docked two points simply because of Gunn's obsession with making his male leads cry in this film. There are no deeper themes to chew on. I wish I could call it a popcorn flick, but it wasn't even entertaining to watch "liberal masculinity" jammed down my throat. The (white) males act like prima donnas.

>>212669320

What do you mean. I related to superman in this movie. Hes actually more like Clark Kent in how bumbling and naive he is. I didnt relate to the Routh or Cavill versions of the character. I loved his speech at the end that Snyder bros are making fun of. Its an actual progression for a stiff character that has become deadened over time.

It was good. Should have been 30 minutes longer, though.

>>212669259 (OP)
yeah it was good, saw it twice. most of the criticisms aren't even justified.

shan't watch

(((Boravians))) hate it. Their demon god promised them jarhanpur 3000 years ago.

>>212669403
>There are no deeper themes to chew on

I think its a response to the previous incarnation of the character. It asserts that Superman is human instead of an alien grappling with a god complex. Goodness for its own sake being a value is something which makes superman stand out from the drab neo politics of modern superhero movies (especially marvel).

>>212669476

I think the middle sags a bit though and some storylines arent fleshed out like i said in my original post. I did roll my eyes at the reveal of ultimate man. Couldnt you think of anything better than that? I was crying at the end though.

>>212669527
Is jarhanpur supposed to be India?

>>212669613

>a small country sometimes ruled over tyrannically
>threatened at its border by another country which wants to take its land
>weapons provided to this country by the united states

..... its not Putin

I don't watch movies I just like to complain about them.

(((Boravians))) lost. Nobody cares if their demon god promised them Jarhanpur 3000 years ago.

>>212669654
>>212669613
i mean did you not see the 'bad' countries flag?

I liked it. I wanted a back-to-basics Superman story about a boyscout who will always do the right thing but often struggles with what that looks like.

My biggest criticism is the film moves at an incredibly brisk pace and from the moment it starts it felt like there was little room for breathing. But that isn't the worst criticism to have.

Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor was spot on.

hated it. Just not a fan of Gunn's writing sensibilities. Also did not like supermans, lois, Luthor and the justice gangs acting performances.

I like the dramactic theme of Superman trying to live up to the ideal that he believes his Kryptonian parents set out for him. When his worldview collapses he turns back to where his real heart lies in the humanity of his human parents. There needed to be more scenes with the Kents though to flesh this out. I hope more was shot and we'll see it on blu ray.

It felt like watching the second half of the second movie in the series.
No backstory, character development, ulterior motives, probably the worst writing I've ever experienced in a movie.
Even by capeshit standards, it was terrible.

I didn't like it, the pacing is so frenetic that no scene gets a chance to breathe or have a grace note to make it truly memorable.
The jokes were bad, I just don't vibe with Gunn's humor at all. The side characters are the same blowhard and dweeb archetypes he's always writing.
As a Superman fan I didn't like that they made his Kryptonian parents bad (even though it's played so weirdly in the movie that it still reads as fake.)
The core performances were pretty good but I would have liked more Clark Kent in the workplace, he's only in disguise for about 5 minutes of one scene.
A lot of the movie is telling instead of showing, you can tell Gunn is self conscious about selling Superman to a modern audience so a huge part of the film is about people online ragging on Supes, and Supes' speech to Luthor at the end is too on the nose in a "here's why Superman's still important!" kind of way.
It makes the same mistake as the Snyder films in treating Superman as a brand/concept/symbol than as a character.

>>212669991
One of the major common criticisms of Batman/Superman/Spider-man media has been how much they retread the origin stories we know to death.

Almost everyone in the world knows about Superman's origins, his home world being destroyed, crashing in the Kent's backyard as a baby, etc etc etc.

We didn't need another Superman origin or Act 1 film. Starting in the middle of a world already accustomed to the man in blue for a few months, and incredibly accustomed to metahumans as a fact of every day life, was the right choice.

This film was Superman and Lex's first face to face

>>212669991

You really need all that guff to keep you invested? We have seen the same story done multiple times in multiple films. Superman is an easy character to get and if you arent on board with him then the movie isnt for you.

>>212669259 (OP)
my question is why make another superman movie if the one with Henry caville was the best?

>>212669259 (OP)
loved it
felt like an episode of superman the animated series

>>212670217
Same reason we got another Batman movie despite the George Clooney/Schumacher one.

Pop culture icons occasionally get someone with a different take on them just interesting enough to try, and if it bombs it gives an excuse to make a back-to-basics version of the character to regain fan trust

>>212670217

Snyder fucked the character up by placing his own God complex onto superman.

Never forget the sheer kino they stole from you

>>212670389

I cant see the encino man as Supes

Superman 78>Superman 2 Donner Cut>Superman2025>Superman 2 Lester Cut> Superman 3>Superman Returns>Man of Steel>Superman 4

>>212669259 (OP)
I've seen more than a few people now call it MCU Superman and yeah it fits close enough. Frankly I don't care if the cheesy, childlike thing is more accurate to the comics. I would take the Nolan/Snyder style any time. Deeply disappointing if this is the future course of the DCU. Unlikely i'm showing up for more.

>>212669259 (OP)
I really liked it, above all else its a good vehicle to show Superman the character isn't boring. It does threaten to get too stupid, looks like the test screenings reigned in Gunn enough.

>>212670601
Its more like you don't want to see a normal movie without snyder bullshit.

>>212670601
>Nolan/Snyder style

Souless pretensions of grandeur. Fuck that

>>212670389
Brendan Fraser should star in an adaptation of this comic.

>>212670232
it most definitely did not. You are insane.

What did you guys think of Krypto? I thought i would hate it but he grew on me over time. Superman had too much help in the movie tho. Id like to see him really tested in the sequel where hes up against the wall constantly. They kinda did that here but i want his goodness really tested.

>>212669259 (OP)
It was equally good/bad as Man of Steel

>>212669259 (OP)
Its fine. I wanted more Lois and Clark they were great. There's too much Krypto. The second act has too much CGI junk in it.

Im glad it was done in 2 hours

>>212670825
>I wanted more Lois and Clark they were great
Starting the movie with them already in a relationship was a mistake, we needed more bumbling workplace Clark and Lois gaslighting.

>>212670217
This is what's bothering me. It still feels too soon to reboot superman movies.

Good but not great.

Pros

>David Corenswet is a great Superman. Gunn managed to make him relatable, earnest but still cocky and impulsive, and Corenswet has enough charisma to pull it off while still coming off as very charming. I specifically liked that bit in the end where, after his big speech about being human, he tries to extend an olive branch to Lex.
>Rachel Brosnahan is a good Lois Lane. She doesn’t get much of a character arc and that interview scene made her come off as a bitch, but she has good chemistry with Corenswet and pulls off Lois’s livewire personality.
>Nicholas Hoult aced Lex Luthor. Best performance in the movie. I like my Lex a little more collected, but the temper tantrums didn’t bother me as much as I thought they would, and the ending sequence in the control room was peak Lex. I also appreciate they didn’t make him completely unsympathetic and had him show some concern for the Engineer and weep as his scheme is unraveled.
>The Engineer was a fun henchwoman with visually interesting powers and I liked that they gave her some moments of humanity.
>The Kaiju fight was probably my favorite action scene, which is surprising as I expected to dislike it. The Justice Gang fighting the Boravian army is probably a close second.
>Superman’s scene with Pa Kent at Kent Farm was very touching and laid out the movie’s themes without being overly explanative.
>The Not!Palestinian kids lifting the flag and chanting for Superman was a great emotional moment.
>The Justice Gang was well-written (though I have notes on the performances) and I liked seeing the Hall of Justice in live-action.
>The Daily Planet crew was well-cast even if they were all superfluous to the film (Did Ron Troupe even have any lines?)
>Krypto stole the show.

>>212671345
Cons

>Most of the humor didn’t land for me, especially the subplot with Jimmy Olsen and Ms. Teschmacher. The girl carried those scenes, which is surprising considering Jimmy is a comedy actor. The dude did not have the charisma to sell Jimmy’s maxed-out rizz.
>Like I said, the Justice Gang was well-written but the performances were a little disappointing. Guy Gardner was too low-energy, Mister Terrific was too angry/autistic, and Hawkgirl was bland. And while I didn’t mind the hawk screech, those ahegao faces she makes were stupid.
>Metamorpho was an annoying crybaby bitch and the most superfluous part of the entire film, though I reckon some of his scenes must have been cut given the jarring pseudo-introduction of Sapphire Stagg.
>Ultraman was alright, but felt like an afterthought added just so Superman would have someone to punch. Gunn could have streamlined that entire plot by merging Ultraman, the Engineer and Metamorpho into Metallo.
>There are some moments were Gunn strives so hard to be sincere it ends up coming off as irony, like when Lex is threatening the street vendor and he says “serving you food was the greatest honor of my life, Superman!” You can tell he wants that to be a genuine moment, but people in my theater were laughing (and they didn’t laugh at most of the jokes).
>The escape from the pocket dimension was boring CGI sludge, from the awfully fake-looking baby Joey to the eyesore proton river sequence.
>Lex’s exposition/comic relief techies were annoying.
>I did not care for the “Kryptonians are evil” twist.

8/10, well worth a watch.

It was passably entertaining, but forgettable. And a Superman movie should not be forgettable.

People shit over re-telling origin stories, but origins are what give superheroes their humanity. It's how you know what kind of struggles and challenges they had to overcome to be the person they are, which in turn helps you to empathize with them more. So when you skip the origin story, it feels like you just stumbled across an episode of a TV series that's been on the air for a while. Without the broader context, you can't get as invested in the outcome vs. if you'd been watching the series since the beginning.

Besides, there's no reason why an origin has to be a complete re-tread. There are a lot of ways to tell a similar story in a creative and engaging way. Most people who were in theaters for Superman 1978 were already familiar with Superman's basic origin, but it was presented in such an original and humanizing way that you didn't even mind that it took up about half the movie before Supes even fly the first time.

>>212669259 (OP)
I liked it. My theater actually clapped at the end. Kind of surprised. My only complaint is wish Ultraman was Bizarro

>>212669259 (OP)
loved it. unlike most of the things that /tv/ likes which are fir Indians and trannies, it is the type of thing Indians6and trannies hate

>>212671413
> People shit over re-telling origin stories, but origins are what give superheroes their humanity. It's how you know what kind of struggles and challenges they had to overcome to be the person they are, which in turn helps you to empathize with them more.

Superman isn’t Spider Man bro. The theme Superman has to deal with, wanting to help people, people being scared of him, getting his morals from the Kents, was all shown in this movie. Don’t need to see a rocket crashing on the Kent farm. Or the stupid angst of Lois not knowing jus secret identity

>>212671488
>My only complaint is wish Ultraman was Bizarro
He's def coming out of the blackhole as Bizarro

>>212669259 (OP)
First half was good, it got Superman character right in many ways. Second half showed the writing wasnt great. The movie relied way too much on references and gags rather than the plot

>>212669613
Palestine

>>212670683
Comic books were the original click bait

>>212669259 (OP)
I would have preferred Lex Luthor to resemble Clancy Brown's performance in the cartoon, but the whiny Elon Musk nerd fit the story and Hoult's acting was on point. I also thought the pocket universe was a bit too over-the-top scifi for a first movie, but again I have to admit it was very well-incorporated as a plot device.

Overall it was great. Reminded me of the Sam Raimi Spiderman movies because it was so unapologetically faithful to the source material. It's very classic and timeless. Superman is a paragon of virtue. Lex Luthor is arrogant, evil, and hates Superman more than anything. I love how this dynamic underscores the central message of the film. At the end of the day, we should all strive to be good people. No amount of intelligence or nuance will ever supersede that simple truth. A good person like Clark Kent will take it upon himself to learn from his naivety, because he genuinely want to do the right thing. Whereas intelligence without a moral compass risks chaos and destruction.

A minor contrast to Superman, the film also depicts more relatable, "get shit done" heroes like the Justice Gang and more specifically Mr. Terrific. Don't really agree with the critics who insist this stuff is too expanded universe for a first movie. In fact, I think that criticism sort of reveals a superficial understanding of MCU's problems. MCU typically just shoves in side characters for "hype and aura" moments that detract from the central story whereas the EU side characters in this movie were specifically chosen because they support the story which is still very focused on Superman. It's a bit like how Andor features a ton of obscure Star Wars characters but they all make sense. Of course the Empire's law and order crackdown would be delivered by Wullf Yularen. Of course Mr. Terrific would serve the role of the tech genius for the good guys. It doesn't come at the expense of Superman's traditional pals either. Lois and Jimmy Olsen have important roles.

>>212669259 (OP)
It was great. 8/10. Loved it way more than MoS.

Currently watching. Lots of charm with this supes

>>212669259 (OP)
I liked it. Embraces comic book tropes without either trying to make them edgy or resorting to "yup, that just happened" humor. And that's the main thing I got from the movie, just how much it feels like you're reading a comic book, it's not just the "sincerity" aspect or the visual design but the way the story is paced itself is very comic book-ish. Even the way the story just starts without the usual introductory arc is very reminiscent of reading some comic book you randomly picked up from a store one day.

>>212669259 (OP)
>"RLM? Literally who??"
>regurgitates their opinion anyways

Never change, /tv/

>>212672065
>Embraces comic book tropes without either trying to make them edgy or resorting to "yup, that just happened" humor.
Did we watch the same movie? Because it does exactly what you say it doesn't do.

>>212671626
The strength of a good origin story isn't just to explain a character's background, it's to humanize them and make them relatable. It can and SHOULD be a slow burn, not just some "previously on" show opener. That way when they finally come into their own and don the cape for the first time, the payoff is much more satisfying.

>>212672106
I stopped watching their stuff 3 years ago. I couldnt take their opinions seriously after learning how many classic films (even basic ones) they hadnt seen.

>>212672178
Be that as it may, Jay's seen more films than everyone in this thread combined. Put some respect on that nigga grind

>>212672155
>it's to humanize them and make them relatable

Superman is a guy pushing a boulder up a hill whilst people pelt him with rocks. Thats all you need. He is reminded during the course of the movie of why he pushes that boulder.

>>212670601
Nolan is leagues above Snyder and I don't think all that highly of Nolan to begin with

>>212672204

Jay hadnt even seen a Sergio Leone movie until recently. This is the guy commenting on exploitation movies and he doesnt even know about Leone.

>>212669259 (OP)
>I loved the movie
Kill yourself jeet

>>212669540
>Superman is human
But he's not human; he's kryptonian. Just like you're not a woman and will never be a woman.

>>212672106
Every reviewer with a positive review basically has the same opinion

>>212672238
Please don't ever become a filmmaker.

>>212672339

The point is that he sees himself as a human being because of his upbringing which therefore makes him more responsible with his powers.

Just like with every other iteration of Superman I’ve ever seen before, I don’t see the point of the character.
They had to give him another kryptonian to fight, just like in Man of Steel, so he had something to punch. Also, his powers always lead to the most uninspired and boring fights. I think the reason why a superhero like Spiderman always does in movies is because his powers force you to be creative with the fight choreography, instead of just “fly, punch, laser, fly”.

Final thought: did they copy the “choke an invulnerable superhero to death” thing from Worm lol?

>>212672400

Storytelling is not done by rote as you imagine. A filmmaker can tell a story in moments instead of reading a newspaper article to you as you would have it. The point of a film is that you can skip the formalities and tell the story visually.

>>212672407
Human beings are not the moral arbiters of the universe. Fuck off tranny. Just because paedogunn turned jor-el into omniman in this bastardisation doesn't mean kryptonians are less moral. Egocentric solipsism.

>>212671488
>My theater actually clapped at the end
Mine did too but it was a mild golf clap as opposed to roaring applause. I think that's appropriate for this movie

>>212672524

What makes a kryptonian different other than the red sun? He is a human being not an alien pretending to be human.

>>212672574
>My theater actually clapped
>Mine did too
Ameriburgers need to die.

>>212669259 (OP)
Lois and Clark were both written very well, unfortunately they only had like one good scene together because they insisted on doing like twenty action setpieces. I think they should've done without the pocket dimension bit, Lex manipulating a foreign invasion and building a Superman clone was more than enough of an evil scheme, using the black hole from your interdimensional concentration camp to destroy Metropolis was needless and made Lex more unbelievably mustache-twirling than he needed to be.

I liked that Supes genuinely likes saving people, not out of guilt or angst. The way he interacts with them was sweet.

>>212672155
Are you a brain dead zoomer that needs shit spoon fed to you? Did you not like Kyle Reese in The Terminator because we never saw his origin? Did you not like Indiana Jones because we never saw his origin until the TV series which nobody watched?

>>212671374
>Most of the humor didn’t land for me, especially the subplot with Jimmy Olsen and Ms. Teschmacher.
I agree Jimmy doesn't have a rizz delivery, but he's a journalist not a high-powered exec. I think it works well if you're not totally irony-pilled.
>Like I said, the Justice Gang was well-written but the performances were a little disappointing.
Don't agree. Hawkgirl doesn't get enough screentime to make much of an assessment, but Guy Gardner and Mr. Terrific are great.
>Metamorpho was an annoying crybaby bitch and the most superfluous part of the entire film
Luthor kidnapped his fucking son, dude. His role is small but straightforward. There's no natural kryptonite on the planet. He can turn into kryptonite.
>Ultraman was alright, but felt like an afterthought added just so Superman would have someone to punch.
Yeah, but producers would never allow a superhero movie without said punching bag. Fair point about Metallo, although I think it was important to Gunn thematically, that Ultraman/Bizzaro was dumb enough to serve as a stand-in for Luthor
>serving you food was the greatest honor of my life, Superman!
Agreed. Even as a defender of the corniness, that was over-the-top. They chickened out of killing off an important character.
>The escape from the pocket dimension was boring CGI sludge
Hard agree. I'll give it some credit for being well-incorporated into the story, but it's not a visually pleasing sequence.
>>Lex’s exposition/comic relief techies were annoying.
I thought so at first, but as I watched it became clear he was supposed to be that annoying.
>I did not care for the “Kryptonians are evil” twist.
I thought that was great. Underscores the message that Clark is his own person and his real parents are the couple that raised him with good values. It also just makes more sense logically that someone eccentric enough to send their genetic progeny to a primitive planet would want him to rule over it. That's why the premise works for Omniman.

>>212672624
Don't google people's reactions to No Way Home, you definitelyw on't find people from all over the world reacting with cheers and clapping

>>212669259 (OP)
I hate it. I think the Viltrumite Krypton retcon is the poison pill of the movie. The more I think about the implications if it, both for the wider Superman story and what Jor-El used to symbolize, the more I hate it.

>>212672410
> They had to give him another kryptonian to fight,

As opposed to every capeshit where they just use another mutant with powers to fight?

Is this the kind of movie which grows on people over time? It seems like it stuck in the middle of a superhero slump with everyone arguing what a comic book film should look like. I understand why some people wouldnt like it but the complete disdain is over the top.

>>212671374
>Ultraman was alright, but felt like an afterthought added just so Superman would have someone to punch.
Funny, I felt like ultraman beat superman too much.

>>212672594
>What makes a kryptonian different other than the red sun?
Their biology, you fucking retard. You think their bones are made of calcium like our brittle ones? The same solar radiation that would otherwise obliterate a human makes them stronger. Red M-type stars are the lowest in luminosity/flux compared to our G2-type white class. We would gain nothing from living in such a star system and likely die if far away enough. Kryptonians are not human. They are not from the same genesis of life on Earth and evolved independently.

>>212669259 (OP)
Korea did it better

>>212672821
>I thought that was great. Underscores the message that Clark is his own person and his real parents are the couple that raised him with good values. It also just makes more sense logically that someone eccentric enough to send their genetic progeny to a primitive planet would want him to rule over it. That's why the premise works for Omniman.
If they were going to do it, I think having that twist would be better suited for a film where Superman interacts with other Kryptonians like Kara or Zod, and having to spend a lot more time reconciling with the idea that your whole life has been a lie. As it stands, it's insinuated that Lex doctored the footage, and then Mister Terrific turns to the camera and says "No it isn't, trust me," and that's that. And they spend no time dwelling on Lara and Jor-El as his parents because they're trying to be different from Man of Steel, so it all feels like a gut punch with no real weight behind it.

>>212673010

They're space humans. Stop being so pedantic.

>>212672821
The Invincible Omniman story works because it's a clear subversion of the Superman origin. The problem with giving Superman the same origin is that it makes Superman now a subversion of itself.

>>212671271
I think it fits with Superman being tested on multiple fronts. He has his first big fight with his girlfriend the same time he loses his first superpowered fight. But I would have been fine having more daily planet scenes between Lois and Clark

You know he wanted to be a part of the superharem

>>212673039

I never really thought about this but what if supes landed in korea as a child. Wouldnt they be asking why he looks European?

Just got home from seeing it. Pretty bad. Offers nothing. I'm not sure what else to say other than I felt nothing while watching this film. I suppose I enjoyed Michael Ian Black as Tucker Carlson.

People are bored of origins. Why The Batman didn’t do one. Nobody wants to see Wayne’s get killed yet again. It’s tedious. Same goes for Spider Man, nobody wants to see Uncle Ben get killed yet again.

Imagine someone making a movie like this in 2008

Prefacing by saying I hate Snyderverse. This movie is something of a hot mess, that manages to at least scrape itself into a mediocre experience.

>Actively makes me resent the Donner films. I don't know where else this version of Superman could be coming from in pop culture but there, via a violent flanderization. Superman is often called "Boyscout" by other Superheroes because of his sometimes backwards moral code and stubbornness in adhering to it, NOT because he is easily mocked, dismissed, and left to stand around wringing his hands while his peers do fun and easy things that he thinks are wrong. Even Reeves Superman was not this limp-wristed.
>Basically every one of Superman's reactions to transgressions of his moral code is childlike and petulant, rather than measured and cautionary.
>What on fucking earth is the point of the character assassination of his parents beyond a plot contrivance and a ham handed attempt at a character arc that is unnecessary for a properly realized version of Superman? The film does nothing to even try and follow through on all the consequences of it. Superman is now unabashedly wearing a symbol of colonialism and conquest by right of genetic superiority, and continues to wear it. He has a cousin, who, presumably, was raised to basically adulthood in a society which produced a couple who thought this was an ok thing to do and ergo would have questionable morals herself. We see very little of her actual behavior beyond a sight gag, so the potential remains but given that it's our first time seeing her it does not bode well for that being addressed, either.
>Continuing, that's left as a hanging plot thread as well - everything is assumed to be well after Luthor is exposed. So does the entire world just assume the message was doctored? Shouldn't Superman own up to it? That would give us not only plot closure but solidify the character growth he was meant to be experiencing here, but no.

>>212673193
> I felt nothing while watching this film.

Says a lot about yourself then the movie. You sound like a miserable person

I have to think that part about Jor El telling superman he is to 'lord it over' humans was taken out of context and will be explained in the next movie. I dont understand why Mr Terrific would know why its not doctored when he had no acess to the original transmission.

>>212673148
I wonder what did he do with ultraman when they were alone?

>>212673224
>The wholesomeness of Superman is nice, when it's not allowed to indulge itself in making him seem like a manchild in the most literal sense. His patience with Krypto and Kara, his desire to save even animals, even if it's ruined by his inexplicable inaction.
>I'm 100% here for most of the absurdist comic logic, particularly where Lex Luthor is concerned, even if I think it doesn't do enough to guard against the glaring logic flaw of Ultrabizarro's control method
>Luthor was played very well. I don't hate the era of "Silicon Valley" Luthor we're living in, it was an interesting enough idea via Eisenberg and here it's realized very well.
>Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner were a treat, Engineer was fun too, I wish they all had more screentime. I cringed a bit at Mr. Terrific's big fight scene, though, it kind of makes it feel like a WB bigwig said "do the Yondu bit from GotG2 again".
>On the other hand, Metamorpho was done utterly dirty and I think is pretty much a perfect example of James Gunn's biggest flaw as a comic "fan", which is the ease with which he will just dispense "deep cut" character cameos to serve an immediate, inconsequential purpose with no intention of presenting them authentically

>>212673193
That was fun, not a face I expected to see.

>>212672645
>using the black hole from your interdimensional concentration camp to destroy Metropolis was needless and made Lex more unbelievably mustache-twirling than he needed to be.
Gunn loves his bloated 3rd act battles

>>212673224
Superman has never been a Jesus figure or a saint or a symbol. Originally he was a SuperJew socialist that helped the underclass. Form hanging corrupt politics out windows or throwing them miles into the air while laughing. Silver Age Superman was immature dick. There was an entire website called Superman is a Dick. The stoic Jesus Man was Donner’s version which became popular for the time. People today are not interested in Jesus Man. Why Spider Man and Iron Man are popular. This movie made Superman still a good guy but no saint character or a boring “symbol”

>SUPERMAN IS GROOMING US

>>212669259 (OP)
I thought it was 9.5 for 10. I wish it was longer was my only knock. The ending with lex was kind of rushed

I feel like I missed a joke with Jimmy Olsen

I loved the fight cinematography

>>212673201
Origin stories are fine. Superman's origin in particular is just boring and doesn't tell us anything about him as a person. Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker are old enough to be involved characters in their origin. Kal-El is a baby who doesn't have any agency or characterization. Does he mourn the death of his parents and homeworld? No, he's a baby. Is Krypton or his parents ever going to come back into the story? No, they're dead. What's the point in retelling someone that's only relevance is a plot device that everyone is already aware of?

>>212673563
Why the fuck is it leaning so hard on Donner imagery, then? It cribs the theme, the title vfx and font, it cribs the design of the fortress of solitude, it cribs his parents as being the driving force for him doing good (albeit for a rug pull to come around to the Kents as the real force behind him doing good, which basically every other modern version of Superman has recognized as fundamental to the character), and fuck you it isn't even letting go of Superman as symbol because it has a fucking 3rd world kid raising a flag with his colonial rapist icon on it.

>>212673563
I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Where is the Jewish stuff coming from

>>212672821
>I thought that was great. Underscores the message that Clark is his own person and his real parents are the couple that raised him with good values. It also just makes more sense logically that someone eccentric enough to send their genetic progeny to a primitive planet would want him to rule over it. That's why the premise works for Omniman.

Meh, to me it's just a cop-out overcorrection to people claiming Snyder's Superman was too detached and alien. The comics Gunn drew inspiration from had already found the perfect balance with Jor-El wanting to send the baby to the nearest yellow sun planet where he'd had higher chances of survival, Lara thinking he would rule them, and Jor-El saying his fate is is in his own hands, they will simply give him the tools to be the man he wants to be.

Even the "humans are weak and need a ruler, be a ruler to them" son would be more nuanced to "conquer them and fuck their women, Kal. Kill everyone who stands in your way, be a cruel tyrant, my beloved son."

This movie was nowhere near as quippy as the guardian movies

>>212673877
Just like Burton movies and BTAS. Certain elements get incorporated into the comics. Kryptonite first showed up in the Superman radio show. Mr Freeze’s character now the BTAS version. Smallville used Donner elements. .

>>212669259 (OP)
The fights with Ultraman were cape kino. I loved how they did the hits and feeling of impact.

>superman escapes a black hole by blowing on it really hard
>his parents last message was telling him to fuck earth women
>lex uses fighting game inputs and employs slenderman
>supergirl calls him a bitch

>>212673243
He vouched for the doctors who translated it.

>>212673966
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20250703-how-superman-started-out-as-a-radical-rebel

>>212669259 (OP)
Its purely visual fake optimism with non existent meaning written by a sex pest freak who should have no business writing Superman

>>212674090
I'm not reading that shit. I read the actual comics and the authors/creators words
Lol he started off as future baby then eventually as an alien named Kal L.

>>212673793
Comics Jimmy is a chick magnet despite being a nerdy photographer, but there it works because he's an adventurous guy who likes to go on these insane side quests where he grows giant or turns into a werewolf, and he actively pursues those girls.

Here, they just fall onto his lap while he shuffles awkwardly and complains.

>>212669259 (OP)
Flawed but it really gets what makes Superman him. Easily the best protagonist in cape flicks

I enjoyed it, but I also realize that I'm the kind of guy that just being in the cinema is worth at least like 6 points out of a 10 score.
A movie has to go horribly wrong for me to not like it

I had difficulty following some of those action sequeces however.

>>212674056
I get what you mean and it's valid for the later few examples I mention, but the use of the title elements, musical and visual, is too fucking specific. You want to talk about Burton and BTAS - they explicitly DON'T use the Danny Elfman title score for that show but an original one inspired by the tone of it, nor virtually any character design elements from it with the sole exception of the Penguin being presented as having genetic defects (and to a far lesser degree, and eventually removed entirely from the design).

Gunn very specifically wants you to remember the Donner films, is relying on that memory to drive narrative elements in this film, but is actively folding it over on itself to questionable and unsatisfying ends.

you mean to tell me the guy with the exact same powers and build but wears a mask is a clone?

no way! I didnt see that twist coming about.... *checks notes*.... Ultraman

>>212672151
edgy = MoS, The Batman
meta navel gazing = GoTG

>>212672821
>Luthor kidnapped his fucking son, dude.

And? Doesn't make the character not a bitch, especially the part where he burns Superman's face by sticking the Kryptonite at it while yelling "DON'T TALK TO ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

I mean technically he was like a bald mad scientist but that really doesn't count. Then he was a future baby hence the name Kal L they gave him then he became Kryptonian. The man of tomorrow Nickname stuck with him

>>212670161
>>212670203
And yet people wonder why it's failing outside of the US.
I don't need flashbacks to understand what's going on, the scene in BvS with Luthor and Wayne at that painting was enough to set up the rivalry between them.
This had nothing, it felt like they were making the story up as they were shooting.
People want to see a story, not a 90 minute random frantic tiktok.

>>212672986
It's already growing on me. I liked it in the theater, but the more I'm thinking about it, the more I like it, probably am going to see it again this week.

>>212674164
Superman was created by two Jewish guys and his origin story is essentially that of Moses.

>>212674327
the entire story is lex's secret plan to defeat Superman

did they really have to give it the same name as the classic?

>>212674388
Except they said the exact opposite
Stop lying.

>>212674388
the basic idea of his character, yes, but everything after is DC's creation and ideas

>>212674196
Did Silver Age DC Comics invent modern internet fetishes?

>>212674260
> they explicitly DON'T use the Danny Elfman title score for that show

Yes they did. Elfman is even credited for the BTAS opening theme. Shirley Walker mimicked Elfman’s style for the show. And using the Williams score is a no brainer. It’s John Williams! The marching band Superman score fits this movie. It didn’t fit “dark and gritty” MOS

>>212674434
It's in court cases. It's gladiator, Osiris and John Carter.
The entire Moses/jew thing is made up by people who cherry picked things and ignore others. There is no proof at all and proof he isn't.

>>212674276
>The man of tomorrow Nickname stuck with him
They called him the Man of Tomorrow because back in the 30s people thought humans would eventually develop superpowers because they didn't have to spend all their time farming anymore.

>>212674090

I think it mostly just comes from the early superheros (from cowboys to zorro) who took on the corruption of power hungry capitalists who exploited the poor citizens of the town.

Loved it. /tv/ is really trying to hype it as political but its just fun, flashy movie to start a new franchise. 10/10

>>212669259 (OP)
I hate all of snyder's films and this one is one of the worst films I've seen all year, which is saying a lot because I've seen mission impossible the final reckoning, 28 years later, F1, sinners, and mickey17 this year already. there was one good scene and that's when the PM who looked like David Ben Gurion was killed by hawkgirl. horrible writing, broken plot, but most importantly all the "character work" is so superficial and checklisty that it feels like a homework assignment that a kid completes in the hallway on his way to class five minutes before it's due. pa and ma Kent are barely present until Gunn remembers "uhhh I need an emotional scene here", and then the big lesson superman learns as a result of that belated interaction is "hmm I was saving people and being a good person all this time, but then I felt bad because I found out my birth parents are meanies, but you know what, I can just keep being good and saving people anyway :D"

anyone who thinks this is compelling character writing is an emotionally unstable and probably poor person who desperately tries to use fake positivity in online discourse about media to try and fit in and feel like they belong to a community. audiences watch a film like this not because it's great, they watch it for the same reason they watch Transformers revenge of the fallen or any of the other twenty transformers sequels that made a billion dollars - it's a good way to turn off your brain and your heart and just go numb while colors flash on the screen. It's disgustingly corporate and soulless, like an AI got told to generate a superman script based on the sincerity and earnestness of Raimi's spiderman. Every single thing in the film is perfunctory, surface-level, and not a single normie is going to remember it a few months from now the way they remember blockbusters like Top Gun Maverick, LOTR, or even some of the better MCU capeshit films. the only people who'll keep shilling it are twitter monkeys.

>>212674490
Yeah because he was originally from the future. Hence the name Kal -L. Man of tomorrow. They changed it to he was an alien from Krypton and when he tells people his name in English in that universe it's Kal El.

Yes. Supermans origin, the very first one was he was a man of tomorrow and his name was kal L.
Oops

I swear to God if you were arguing with me about Superman being Jewish and didn't know he was originally from the future and named Kal L
You need to consider suicide
It's all right there. Seriously why even argue about a thing you don't know about. Why get upset

>>212674468
Go and actually listen to them back to back. Yes, leitmotifs are heavily borrowed from, hence why they would need to credit Elfman especially given how closely it arrived after the Burton films, but they are distinct.

>>212670678

no anon. fuck you :)

>>212674717
Walker wrote her own Batman theme, but the intro and end credits use the Danny Elfman theme and credit him in the end credits.

>>212669338
Nigga has been bitching about capeshit for amost 2 decades

>>212669259 (OP)
Just left the theater. Completely in love with it and that’s from someone who REALLY doesn’t like any of the Guardians films. Very well casted across the board with a bunch of crowd pleasing moments. There’s probably not a harder legacy character to cast and they crushed it with Corenswet; he’s perfect for what Gunn is going for. FWIW huge pop in the theater for Peacemaker

>>212673047
>Stop being so pedantic.
Aka you're right but I don't want to concede because muh pathetic fucking ego. Super'man' is an alien. Superalien.

>>212669320
>>212669294
>>212671374
ITS FAILING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKZo2g4ig0I

>>212673046
>>212673089
>>212674000
I can understand why someone would complain that it was over-efficiently delivered, but I thought it really reinforced the core message so I liked it. Superman is Clark Kent not Kal-El. That's always been obvious to me. He spent his whole life as a Kansas farm boy. Superman is just a calling he discovered later in life. If YOU discovered right now that you're an alien from another planet, would you immediately throw away your entire past and start cosplaying as an ambassador from a culture you never experienced?

>As it stands, it's insinuated that Lex doctored the footage, and then Mister Terrific turns to the camera and says "No it isn't, trust me,"
I just accepted it. In fact I was relieved when it didn't go down the technology skeptic conspiracy route. If the footage could have been easily doctored, it makes everyone including the Pentagon seem stupid for buying it. The fact that it's a legitimate, independently verified reproduction makes it more believable that everyone reluctantly goes along with Luthor's plan even though he's a known egomaniac. And again, the fact that it's real drives home the core message. Would have been a major asspull if it was faked.

>Even the "humans are weak and need a ruler, be a ruler to them" son would be more nuanced to "conquer them and fuck their women, Kal. Kill everyone who stands in your way, be a cruel tyrant, my beloved son."
They don't say "be a cruel tyrant" though. They're just a society that assumes conquest and concubines go hand-in-hand with just rule. Which makes complete sense, as that dynamic emerges throughout history. If you want to draw Biblical parallels, Jor-El basically wants his son to be King David. David is described as a Good King yet he has many wives and concubines and mostly goes around conquering his enemies.

>>212669259 (OP)
Loved it, but i needed some chapter separators...it was obvious it was made as an episodic type of flick.

>>212669259 (OP)
Too busy, genx faggots need to get over All Star Superman as a fucking narrative structure.

>>212674951
>They don't say "be a cruel tyrant" though.

They literally say something to the effect of "rule without mercy, son".

I thought it was pretty good
Thought Luthor's simmering hatred was well acted. Superman was dopey and earnest, which is enjoyable. Especially like him trying to save the giant monster and squirrels alike on screen even if logically you know he can't do that all the time.
Felt more like a movie with ideas behind it than alot of Marvel's crap. Hope Gunn can keep it up, don't know if he's that flexible

>>212674951
Justice League Gods and Monsters isn't nearly as good as this movie, but it also pulls the whole "What if Superman's parents were evil" schtick and I've always thought that was the best supervision of the character. I'm a sucker for "We are who we choose to be" message. (which is a quote from Iron Giant which also uses a Superman allegory).

>>212669259 (OP)
Powergirl isn't there.
It should be a Super Family movie since it has Krypto and Supergirl. It makes no sense to have Guy and Hawkgirl, especially with those pathetic costumes. This new Superman died when everyone saw the costumes, the superhero genre, and everything about the look, the best cast, and then the script, along with respect for the comics, and none of that exists here. Vultramist Kryptonians, Superman weaker than a fly. Nobody respects him. Warner doesn't let directors come and date their version.

>>212675067
Alright, that's a bit much but I'm guessing they had to insert that part to make it crystal clear to audiences that they were bad. It's still compatible with historical figures like Nader Shah, Genghis Khan, Leopold II, etc.

>>212674703
That isn't what happens in the original short story The Reign of the Superman (January 1933)
>A chemist named Professor Ernest Smalley randomly chooses raggedly dressed vagrant Bill Dunn from a bread line and recruits him to participate in an experiment in exchange for "a real meal and a new suit". When Smalley's experimental potion grants Dunn telepathic super powers, the man becomes intoxicated by his power and seeks to rule the world. This superpowered man uses these abilities for embittered tyranny, only to discover that the potion's effects are temporary. The Super Man vanquishes the equally evil Smalley, who had intended to kill Dunn first as a dog-eat-dog attempt to give himself the same successfully-tested super powers, Dunn realizes that this was a horrible mistake by not keeping Smalley alive to torture and interrogate the secret formula from him, and instead found himself desperately using his low-level knowledge to recreate it. As the story ends, Dunn's powers wear off and he realizes he will be returning to the bread line to be a forgotten man once more.

Superman isn't even called the "Man of Tomorrow" until New York World's Fair Comics #1 (June 1939)

Siegel and Shuster wrote a comic in 1936 called Federal Men about government agents fighting crime in the future, one of the characters was named Jor-L and they use the phrase "Federal Men of Tomorrow" but it has nothing to to do with Superman.

>>212669259 (OP)
Old fag comic book fan here.
I liked snyders work better. Theyre both movies on the same subject, but it's like comparing apples to oranges or interstellar with star wars. One is a comic book movie the other is a graphic novel. Nothing wrong with either. Marvel has made it's money making comic book movies. Synder work was something else. It's a testament to his movie we are talking about it over

>>212675170
The movie is completely on-brand with the Justice League cartoons I grew up with. If you want a self-serious movie, why are you watching something inspired by a children's comic book?

...10 years later. No one's gonna be talking about this 10 years later. Just like no one talks about superman returns 10 years later

>>212675268
>I liked snyders work better
>other is a graphic novel

most boring graphic novel ever

>>212669259 (OP)
it made me call my parents and hug my mom

>>212675319

The reception to this movie is divisive. I remember people being ambivalent and bored by Returns.

>>212675327
You are obviously a low caste pajeet or perhaps as slow as ma and Pas Kent in the new film.

If you can't appreciate a good movie you should be here. And if you are being paid to do this then I hope you are least buy some toilet paper with your rupees

>>212675268
>distinguishes graphic novels from comic books
This is why people think the Snyder fans are cringe.

>>212675268
>Synder work was something else.

>>212675363
I think a previous anon captures the reason why. Snyders work was cut off before completion, we all have heard the tactics that he studio used to subvert every thing he tried to do. But honestly I've been around long enough to realise that you don't always get what you want. I can still rewatch the trilogy , and in 10 years time with ai, who knows an enterprising group may create the JL movies from the templates that Synder has written.
I do know this. After decades support DC, I no longer will. DC was always the jewel in wbs crown and they always fucked it up because of fucking studio execs. So I will not pay to watch any more movies shows or merch. It may be just a drop on the ocean but I suspect that many others feel the same

>>212669259 (OP)
>"course correction"
>appeal to Donner nostalgia
>vague praise
>token minor criticism to balance it out
>"I am excited for future products"
Did chatGPT or a shill write this?

>>212675482
LMAO

>>212675468
Anon, the older you get the more youll realise that no one gives a fuck what other people think.

>>212675578

Why would you want Snyder movies made by AI? Thats soulless on top of soullessness. Drab miserable experiences funneled through someones shallow objectivism.

>>212674327
>This had nothing, it felt like they were making the story up as they were shooting.
You've put into words how I felt and I think Luthor's abilities encapsulate that. Before the movie starts he can and has cloned Superman, rallied an unexplained antagonist to serve him, created kaijuus, built a pocket universe, built an interdimensional concentration camp, imprisoned Martians, and started a war in foreign nations. It's like they were making shit up as it went along and dumped all these plot points on him or on Superman's parents who were character assassinated for no reason. Battles dragged on, characters like Jimmy act nonsensically, and Superman and Lois are given little to do while we watch some unrelated super heroes save the day. It was way too random. '78 still reigns supreme.
t. Not from America and watched it pirated, won't be watching it in theaters.

>>212674931
Shut up Jeet

>>212675827
>imprisoned Martians
When did this happen?

>>212675363
>divisive
Most people like it so far. It’s just Snydertarde and some conservatives who are retarded

>>212675901
The aliens he keeps in the pocket universe

Why did Luthor want to know who raised Superman? He could have shot Supes in the dimensional prison.

>>212672106
The pushback they're getting for the review, aimed primarily at Jay, is kind of funny. I think Half in the Bag is just tired. I still love BotW and their occasional Black Void or Re:View stuff, but HitB is so shitty now.

test

>>212675080
Luthor was great this time around and it was amazing seeing all his plans go up in flames. I'm glad they really emphasized that he doesn't give a shit about literally anything else other than killing Superman. The guy creates a pocket universe and could do anything he wanted and be the most celebrated person in the world, but he won't because everything he does is bent towards killing Superman because he just seethes over him that much.

>>212675925
>It’s just Snydertarde and some conservatives who are retarded

The youtube review squads are hating on it and they are a combination of both. It seems like there was a buzz for this fail and you can see the remnants of that by the other threads on the board.

>>212675268
For all the stupid shit Man of Steel had, it still remained cohesive in its goals and themes. This one had no theme other than "be as different as possible from Man of Steel." Donner, Snyder, even Singer had a vision as to where to take the character that wasn't 100% corporate pandering: this one feels inauthentic and aimless, and I'm sure it'll be retroactively regarded as the soulless corporate attempt it is.

>>212675741
In 10 year time anon youll obviously know it was down by ai , but you won't be able to tell.

Did gollum seem soulless to you from lord of the rings?

Judging from your response it seems you have your preference which I respect. I'm happy to watch an emotional movie on the human condition, but equally happy to watch a large sci fi blockbuster CGI and ai and all. Horses for courses I guess.

>>212675578
>in 10 years time with ai, who knows an enterprising group may create the JL movies from the templates that Synder has written.
Holy shit

>>212675901
The guy steering the boat

>>212675932
I didn't see any Martians, that's a specific race in the DC universe.

>>212676083
Green aliens are gonna equal martians for normies

>>212675972
Test complete

>>212676073
He wasn't a Martian.

>>212676102
I saw it in the theatres and I don't remember green aliens except Baby Joey and he wasn't an alien.

>>212676123
He was, in his "natural form" and it was alluded to by lex

>>212676173
The part where Lex calls Superman a "Martian" is just meant to be him being dismissive and xenophobic, it doesn't imply that the ferry creature is a Martian. If that creature was a shapeshifting telepath why would it be doing menial labor for Lex?

>>212669259 (OP)
I'm glad it was a Superman clone and not him being nerfed. It felt like watching a cartoon episode, which was good.
As per the political stuff, it didn't bother me. You have to be a Jew or a migapede to get offended by the Israel-Gaza reference.

>>212676265
I dunno, but he already had another shape-shifting chick working for him.

>>212669259 (OP)
in a world where kindness and being earnest is seen as weakness and old fashion, Superman is punk rock

>>212676339
I thought it was Russia/Ukraine (and Luthor is Elon Musk). Either way it is kinda retarded for the movie to take ongoing wars for a goofy comic movie. Given EVERYTHING else that goes on in the movie the war stuff wasn't even that important.

>>212676265
Because they are all stuck in a pocket dimension? I didn't write the fucking movie anon.

>>212676386
Upvoted, kind sir.

>>212676466
thanks man

>>212676435
You're the one saying it was a Martian, there's nothing in the text suggesting that.

>>212675395
Hello upper caste rankesh

>>212675954
I think he was trying to destroy his reputation and goodwill at first

>>212676508
He isn't, I was the anon who used the term Martian because I thought the green alien-looking baby was, well, a green alien. I didn't know the word Martian triggered such autismo in the DC universe.

>>212669259 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkeLGnAr36A

i liked the music

>>212675925
General audiences internationally didn't like what they saw in the trailers or they would have bothered showing up. Critic reviews are mixed there too. You don't get to suddenly paint it as well-received because diehard comic geeks and Snyder-hating critics/political types loved it.

>>212676920
doing pretty damn good considering the brand has been raped to pieces and american hatred is at high we haven't seen since the bush era

>>212669320
Why is it unbelievable that he watched the 78 movie as a kid?

>>212677011
Oh come off it with the excuses. Pathetic

Probably will go down as best capeshit of the year. Not saying much but F4 will play it too safe and be concerned with setting up doomsday

>>212672935

> Viltrumite Krypton retcon

Anons believing Luthor's altered video is real. The most obvious comic book evil scheme, and they fall for it.

AI and online conspiracy mongering has mind poisoned a generation.

>>212677067

Because some anons can't conceive of anyone watching old movies. They live in a mindless Now.

>>212669259 (OP)
It was retarded. Lex Luthor was whiny and dumb. Superman is whiny and a psychopath. The characters in general are immoral and unlikable. The morals of the movie are inconsistent (killing is bad when Superman does it but okay when other heroes do). And the humor ruined the serious scenes so much.

Thunderbolts was better than this.

>>212669259 (OP)
I really wanted to like this movie. I find the idea that the guy who used to work for Troma and who directed and wrote Super (2010) now holds total creative control of DC Studios very funny. Also, I didn't like the Snyderverse one fucking bit. I am not opposed to an edgier and more morally complex take on these characters (though it does beg the question why the viewers who love this stuff don't just grow up and read a book instead). I just thought it was incredibly poorly executed and pretentious. Plus I liked GotG way more than the rest of the MCU so I was totally ready to love Superman (2025).
I didn't like it. Gunn is obviously trying to shed the irreverent tone of his earlier work and lean into wholesomeness ("the new punk rock"), but it doesn't ring true. The undercurrent of nasty cynicism is apparent in the shitty, badly-behaved dog breaking Luthor's arm, & in Jimmy Olsen telling a woman her toes look like someone dropped a a shrimp cocktail. By the time Superman is giving his final sincere speech, it's incredibly confused.
Gunn is also a pretty shitty director. At the end when Superman and Lois go to an abandoned arcade to make out, the camera swoops dramatically around a shop display for absolutely no fucking reason at all. There are all these stylistic flourishes which serve no purpose. Mr Terrific's action scene was fairly creative, but also pretty awkward and pointless. What purpose did it serve to the story or characters? What was the point of Superman floating down that shitty pixelated river for so long? Why is the idea of a clone Superman wasted on a character who doesn't speak a single word? Why are there so many jokes if only three of them are funny? Why does the fucking movie end with Superman giggling himself to sleep in a hospital bed? Why are there several shots in Luthor's lair in which the lens flare completely overtakes the frame to the point you can't even see an outline of the human being in the shot?

>>212675319
Nah. People will talk about how bad it was and how dumb people were for liking it. Kinda like The Force Awakens.

And just like TFA, you will have hundreds of people claiming they never liked the movie and always thought it was bad (some being the anons in this exact same thread).

>>212678172
They go out of their way to have Mr Terrific confirm that the linguists and hacking experts are correct and that Superman's birth parents are evil. They could have reversed this at the end of the movie and said it was all a trick & left the question open as to what else his parents might have said in the recorded message - it still would have served the same narrative purpose.

>>212678524
wtf where is it shown that superman killing is bad?

>>212669259 (OP)
Total fucking shit. Superman was humiliated at every opportunity. I don't think he won a single fight by himself. He doesn't even have the moral backbone to remain calm in the face of adversity when Lois interviews him. Why is he even a "superhero" when he's such a whiny weakling? Superman is given godlike powers and needs to admit that. Admitting he's "human" because he makes mistakes when he snaps at Luthor is unacceptable. He needs to be better than human a la Snyder superman. Why the fuck does he save a squirrel?
His bizarre adherence to his biological parents flies in the face of his characterization as an emblem of small town America -- especially because his parents are sadistically portrayed as BORDERLINE RETARDED.
The plot points are full of stupidity -- "top linguists confirm the message" yeah sure they translate this language no one has ever heard before. Public opinion is much less of a monolith than this movie portrays it. Superman would have had diehards on his side.
Also, Lois is too old and their chemistry is bad.
Krypto is a little too stupid for a dog.
>>212673224
This guy is correct on all counts. The writing was very bad.

>>212678680

Because there's no possible way the 3rd Smartest Guy on Earth could be outsmarted by -- the 1st Smartest Guy on Earth.

Literally Comic Book level shenanigans.

>>212669294
An Indian guy was the sole fatality in the entire movie

>>212673276
>>212673224
I agree. I wrote this >>212678551
but I think you put it better.
Do you get the feeling there was a lot of studio interference here? Gunn isn't usually this retarded.

>>212669259 (OP)
It was great

>>212678524
>>212676920
>>212676048
Not even a third of the thread up and you get everything you need to know about how these people treat film-watching as a whole. It's all about
>My director beats yours!
>b-but the box office data! The numbers!
And when you get comments about a movie, it's always the most shallow shit that misses the point and is often just forcefully contrarian, if not empty hatred. I can't even believe some people actually went out of their way to get rage baited by.. James Gunn? On his social media or interviews? These people don't realize their obsession, in favor or against a movie, is identical to the behavior expressed by corporate-addicted normoids. If you're not making cash with your 4chan shitposts, then you're deliberately turning a hobby into a frustration. The sense of community on /tv/ isn't worth it.

>>212678830
Nice headcanon, where in the movie do they say this? It's a pretty big issue & it wouldn't have taken a lot to address it

>>212669259 (OP)
>There's that sweetness and optimism

Horrible. It's Catwoman bad. Casting choices were on point, all the actors did well but the script was utter psychosis. Way too much swearing for a movie you'd bring your small kids too as well. Gunn can go fuck off.

>>212669294
how

I felt like superman wasn't as strong as he should've been. He looked similar to omni man in terms of power. Also the monkey segment where they were posting rage bait online was funny

>>212677084
nothing that anon said wasn't true, since WW the DC brand has only gone down the exception of batman, and America has pissed off the globe more than usual this year, especially china

>>212678551
>Why does the fucking movie end with Superman giggling himself to sleep in a hospital bed?

god you are fucking retarded if you didn't get that scene

>>212678952
C S M

i enjoyed it, but it was really, really bad, to the point of embarrassing, if that makes any sense
i know other anons know what i mean

>>212679108
People are trying to play it off in that he was holding back, but nah man the dude struggled against everyone and everything.

>>212675308
>The movie is completely on-brand with the Justice League cartoons I grew up with. If you want a self-serious movie, why are you watching something inspired by a children's comic book?
GL Hal would not do 1/3rd the shit Guy did in the movie
Hawkgirl would have an arc of PTSD after feeling guilty dropping someone to their death, not feel smug and holier than thou

you and I watched very different JL series

>>212679369
Yes, watchable, but still bad. It felt more like a CW tv movie or something. Very low bar.

>>212669259 (OP)
Loved it
I honestly vibed with the entire movie, I was locked in, nodding my head, laughed a lot
It was very heartfelt, a genuine feel good movie. The family stuff made me emotional but I’m a sucker for sappy dad stuff in movies

Corenswet was perfect as Kal-el, wasn’t a dull moment when he was on screen
Off the top of my, head my favorite scenes: Superman vs the kaiju
Lex Luthor's shitposting monkeys
Superman beating the absolute shit out of Ultraman, using Engineer as a goddamn mallet
Superman and Lex debating their ethics

Cleveland was also great as a screen version of Metropolis, the whole movie looked like a comic book

>David Zaslav, CEO of Warner Bros. says he's "excited for what's ahead" for DC after 'SUPERMAN':

>"All part of a bold 10-year plan. The DC vision is clear, the momentum is real."

>daily planet crew flying in the terrific saucer
>Perry never stops smoking the cigar
>the guy who can't get a seat
>that chick with the giant booba bouncing all over
peak capeshit

>>212679545
>using Engineer as a goddamn mallet
i love when the action suddenly got cartoonish like that, like when you had superman getting piled on midair and spinning them all off like bugs bunny or something

>>212669259 (OP)
It was pretty good. But I thought it was weird for them to do the whole "his biological parents are Kryptonian, but his real parents are the kents" angle at this stage of his life. Shouldn't be have learned this lesson by now? Isn't his upbringing by the kents the reason he even becomes Superman in the first place?

>>212679645
One thing I really appreciated about the movie is how ridiculous it becomes at times. The scene of him carrying the squid elemental head, his baby and the super dog; or Luthor kidnapping a bunch of troll monkeys in a pocket dimension instead of just using bots. Felt like a classic Superman comic, where shit like that just happens and the scene moves on

I thought the movie was shit, even for generic capeshit standards.

>>212679645
I pogged when he used his laser eyes and spun real fast to just 1shot 90% of the power suit guys.

>>212679645
>>212679718
YES, exactly, this is the first Superman movie since the 70s to blow your mind with his powers, and sheer spectacle.
Him spinning Luthor’s goons was kino

This movie is just superman being saved by other people

>>212669294
>>212674931
only Americans still watch capeshit. Rest of the world grew out of it.

>>212679399
I'm with you that the dude has a completely off the mark impression of DCAU JL, but no, Hawkgirl really wouldn't have lost much sleep over dropping a dictator to their death, she repeatedly threatens people just as bad with worse throughout the show.

And Guy being a self-serving prick is just what he is, as a GL, of course Hal, John, or even Kyle wouldn't have done the kind of shit he does.

They preferred to have the dog and not the powergirl

bizzaro played by Cavill instead of corenswet. Based or cringe?

>>212679143
I'm not american. It's insulting to get dismissed as "well it's because of Trump". No, that's not why

>>212680084
this was my crackpot theory until leaks came out, it would have been kino

>>212669259 (OP)
WELL IM A PUNKROCKER YES I AM

>>212680043
I went into the movie expecting them to make the Justice heroes to a lot worse. I'm glad Terrific was actually a good support, and by the end of the movie the three become full on allies. Gardner himself was a lot, lot tamer than anything I expected. I prefer this over some scenario where everyone is absolutely evil and shitty, here the movie perfectly shows the purpose of a Superman for his hero peers too.

>>212679611
>All part of a bold 10-year plan
Cool. How meany years are left now? 6 years remaining.

I actually liked it
I also genuinely have better taste in film than the majority of you

>>212680063
Powergirl is completely redundant with Supergirl. She exists purely because of horny artists.

Mr. t fucks supergirl with his BBSpheres in the sequel

>>212669259 (OP)
The movie hit the characterizations well in almost all ways, but it gets hurt in traditional movie ways. The plot is nonexistent until the final 40 minutes when it finally starts progressing from scene to scene like an actual movie with connection.

Even with that, I can't hate it enough to say the movie was bad. It was good but I don't know how much I will like it on repeats but we'll see. It gets me excited for whats next in the universe though so if that was their main goal, I think they did a good job

It's a brand made for men, the movie had only 68% of men watching the movie and the women who went to see it won't come back, nor will the boys because the movie has nothing that pleases both, Superman is emasculated, he doesn't even appear shirtless, there's nothing for women and men the same thing, there's no hot female figure, James Gunn hates cheesecake, the future is dark with him, Krypto, Supergirl, and where's Powergirl, she would be there. Better than Guy Gardner and Hawkgirl, Gunn should have put her thinking about this generation that watches anime, Powergirl should have been in this movie

>>212681561
I have to also add that I think there were some bad creative decisions. I'm all for making a point that Superman's biological parents are more important or just better parental figures than the El's but there is tons of better ways to do it than what they did in the movie. I hate discussing it because everyone just says "I liked it because its trying to say that the Kents-", yes we all get that and I even agree with that but the actual plot point to show that was shit

Honestly ? I wanna see more movies with the cast but it can’t be directed by James Gunn

>>212669259 (OP)
How can it be considered a course correction when it has no overarching goal, no "Superman 2", just a bunch of other nebulous spin-off movies?

>>212681854
>I wanna see more movies with the cast but it can’t be directed by James Gunn
kek. History repeating again.

>>212669259 (OP)
I genuinely think it’s incredibly dumb across the board and theirs holes everywhere. But people are exceedingly stupid atm and like shiny fun thing.

>>212679545
I loved it as well. Some little things bothered me but overall I loved it. I put it as my tenth favorite superhero movie. It reminded me a lot of Raimi Spiderman which I also love.

>>212682014
Your right, their are people who are very stupid.

>>212669259 (OP)
I like it a lot, the only issue I had was with the pacing being so quick.
Feels like the movie blows through two movies worth of material and could have easily been another 30 minutes or even 3 hours.
Also maybe I went to a shitty theatre (possible) but for me the sound mixing sounded really bad especially in a lot of the fights, the impacts and punches and blasts didn't really stand out or sound weighty and painful.

>>212669259 (OP)
Lex was great in this movie. The only problem is that he's defeated(?) now so he can't be part of any sequel. He's arrested, his company is gone, everybody hates him.

>>212682520
Oh wow a disgraced billionaire, those never rebound

>>212682520
>The only problem is that he's defeated(?) now so he can't be part of any sequel. He's arrested, his company is gone, everybody hates him.
Are you aware of how often this happens to Luthor in the comics/TV shows? They'll just have Gorilla Grodd break him out or some shit.

>engineer can kill superman by starving him of oxygen
>end of movie he’s sitting on the moon and Kara came back from another planet
Gunn already shot himself in the foot with a massive plot hole. Have fun trying to have Superman visiting other planets in a sequel.

>>212683129
The post credits scene is an issue, yea. You can try a couple arguments - we don't see his face directly, just the back of his head, so he could be wearing an oxygen supply, or alternatively they already establish that if he's allowed to breath in, he's capable of holding his breath and surviving for up to an hour. But they don't hold up when Krypto is there. You think a dog knows how to hold its breath, or would cooperate with an oxygen mask? No.

Kara's a non-issue. We don't see her fly in from space, we don't have any idea of how she got to where she was or how she came back. She just drunkenly crashes into the Fortress, she could have done that after being ferried home by Space Uber.

>>212681561
I really liked how the Justice guys show up without much of an introduction, and in-universe they're well-known already. Overall I was pleasantly surprised with how much screentime they got, plus that they weren't just jobbers.

>>212683282
It’s clearly implied she was flying through space like in the comic that inspired that look and Superman doesn’t have an oxygen mask on. They’ll probably just have to ignore they made that mistake and hope no one notices.

>>212669259 (OP)
Didn’t see it and won’t be taking the kids to see it, looked way too violent. Clearly not made for us.

>>212679108
>I felt like superman wasn't as strong as he should've been.
He was holding back to not kill anyone his while thing in this movie was loving all life, think of all the things he fought most were humans

>>212679399
>GL Hal would not do 1/3rd the shit Guy did in the movie
Hal is not Guy so why are you comparting the two

>>212669259 (OP)
It was alright I guess. I don’t know how anything can say it was great. The movie doesn’t try to be great. It’s intentionally supposed to be like a live-action cartoon, just a fun movie to enjoy with the family. There’s hardly any characterization, there’s little tension, there’s not even a backstory or context for Superman which will really confuse anyone unfamiliar with him (he is not as popular these days after all). The casting was the best part I think, but the script and direction didn’t have enough meat on them. This was more just junk food.

theres literally a palestianian flag at the end of thr movie and you retards are asking if it was supposed to be india or ukraine

>>212683129
>Gunn already shot himself in the foot with a massive plot hole.
Right before she does it they say in the movie
>"But sir Superman can hold his breath for hours"
>"Not without any oxygen he can't"

Donner movies suck, silver age comics suck, Frank Miller is good, Alan Moore is good, Grant Morrison is good, 90s Superman is good, Superman TAS is good, Justice League TAS is good, Snyder is good, simple as.

>>212683598
There’s no oxygen in space. How is Kara planet travelling to planets that might not even have oxygen.

>>212683642
>How is Kara planet travelling to planets that might not even have oxygen.
Spaceships exist

>>212683642
The same way Invincible does, you take a big breathe and then fly into space.
Also depending on the writer even the oxygen part isn't true and sometimes he can fly through space just fine as long as he is absorbing solar radiation even without oxygen.

>>212683129
In space he doesn't have nanites in his lungs

>be kind
>wholesome Keanu chungus level 100
>no negativity
>"we need to love each other!" HWNDUism
>#endhate
What the everliving fuck is this marketing campaign?

Is anyone else seeing this or am I the one last living straight man in a sea of bots and marketers? Why did this all suddenly emerge from the ether yesterday? What is this toxic positivity bullshit? Why doesn't anyone else notice how forced this shit is?

This specific strain of unnuanced toxic positivity so clearly originated in the mind of your typical 30+ millennial childless spinster in marketing that I have no idea why everyone is so retarded to take it on face value. It's like being handcuffed within the Longhouse, listening as yet another fat overweight womyn takes the pulpit to deliver another long vacuous speech to the vapid applause of her cohorts who were whispering about how fat she was thirty minutes ago and will do so again thirty minutes from now.

>>212683877
Left out
>new punk rock
which is like the key code phrase of this marketing campaign.

>>212670769
It most definitely did. You are stupid.

I liked Snyder's take on Superman, but this made me realize how bad his Superman was as an adaptation of the comics/cartoons, 2025 unironically made me remember my childhood watching superhero cartoons on the TV

>>212683357
They were cool, I feel its a little weird that they didn't address the actual superhero group at all outside of the Justice Gang bit. Like I know from following the behind the scenes stuff in the movie that they are funded by Maxwell Lord and that's his symbol on all their clothes, but I don't know why they didn't say it at all in the movie

>>212675216
Acts not words. Unless you're some socialist mind slave.

>>212672407
He see himself an American. Q.E.D. Red Son. He an alien like many other aliens. He carries the American way because that is HIS way.

>>212669259 (OP)
While it's imperfect it really did feel like a breath of fresh air in the current CBM landscape, not even attempting to make the sillier aspects of comic book storylines feel realistic and instead leaning into the campy nature of silver age comics. MCU's established itself as a "grounded" universe, so I think it's good that Gunn's DCU seems to be differentiating itself and intentionally putting any pretense of realism aside and going full camp.

Story-wise it's admittedly a bit messy, it kinda feels like a miniseries that had been edited down into a single movie, but the characters and performances were fun enough that I wasn't too particularly bothered by it. Some people are a bit put off by the way it just throws you into this world and conflict, but I personally love the choice to start in media res. The story starts right where it needs to, in the beginning of Luthor's latest plan. We don't need the backstory on the war itself because for this story that doesn't matter, no different to something like Saving Private Ryan skipping Pearl Harbor because that detail doesn't actually serve the story.

The most important thing for this movie was establishing a new universe, and I think that's the part it did the best. The casual way people respond to the bizarre nature of the world really establishes how these movies will be going forward, and having superheroes and crazy monsters just be an accepted thing is gonna give them a lot of freedom to explore other characters in future movies (compared to something like the MCU where, any time a new hero is introduced, they need to make up reasons/excuses as to why they aren't around for (insert major event here) which kinda limits what they can do).

If I were to be objective I'd give it a solid 7.5, but I'm gonna just say a strong 8.5 to a 9 because it was just a fun time with that didn't feel like it was desperately trying to set up the next entry in a universe, which I feel like we rarely see in CBMs anymore.

>>212684393
>didn't feel like it was desperately trying to set up the next entry in a universe

Come on now, those extra superheroes weren't there just for show.

>>212684393
you cannot be serious. snyder is the one who imbued reality into the DCEU. Gunn's superman is clearly recycling elements from GotG, which is why it's rightfully called MCU-lite

>>212681744
I think it served more than just establishing the Kents as "real" parents, I think it was actually to act as a sort of counter-argument to Man of Steel. Snyderman had this whole theme about how he HAD to be Earth's savior, how it was his destiny that he had to accept. Gunnman however put a lot more focus on the fact that Superman is a choice, not a destiny. The whole theme of the movie is about doing good no matter what, so I feel having Clark ignore the reason he was put on Earth to instead be good helps with that theme.

>>212684472
Oh no don't get me wrong, it's absolutely setting stuff up, but when I say desperately I mean there was no post credit scene where darkseid was brooding and planning an attack we'll for sure see five movies from now, there wasn't any scene where Luthor hints at making a Legion of Doom before he's arrested, etc. The inclusion of other heroes felt natural to the world.

>>212684499
>snyder is the one who imbued reality into the DCEU
I don't see how that goes against what I was saying? My point was that MCU is in a somewhat grounded reality, so making the DCU less grounded is a good contrast. Snyder isn't part of this conversation. And the fact that Gunn's bringing some GotG style into this doesn't bother me since GotG is easily the least grounded MCU series, being the only one to take place almost entirely off-world.

>>212669259 (OP)
David Cornswet sucked. Almost through the entire movie he's pretty awful. Gunn "humor" hit or miss. Gun perspective on characters almost always disappointing. With that, OK to pretty good movie. Maybe enjoyable is a better term. I liked the overall mood. I liked Lex. I liked the parents.

I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning the hypnoglasses. Made me giggle but also made me think Cornswet couldn't pull off a noticeable difference between Clark and Superman. I think everyone that bitches about the Israel/Palestine shit or the monkey farm are already ideologically captured/predisposed to a certain worldview and ignore the larger implications of their use in the movie as a "message".

It's an OK movie, regardless of financial success I would say it warrants another movie, I personally just don't want Gunn directing it.

>>212684200
You don't think fucking Genghis Khan of all people would have embraced "rule without mercy". Nader Shah was Khan's biggest fan and explicitly modeled his reign on Genghis's style. Leopold II infamously gave so little of a shit about the lives of the Congolese it inspired one of the great literary classics, Heart of Darkness.

>>212684499
> snyder is the one who imbued reality into the DCEU.

Wasn’t Snyder. MOS was made by Nolan’s guys and muh dark and gritty

>>212684822
>It's an OK movie, regardless of financial success I would say it warrants another movie, I personally just don't want Gunn directing it.
It feels very much like, and I don't know how to word this eloquently, the worst film in a trilogy. A lot in there is good individually, and I think in most cases the casting is perfect, but it does absolutely need a better director to get any actual mileage out of it. Gunn has already kind of confirmed it's getting a follow-up, though likely a Worlds Finest film over a direct Superman 2, and I think it's going to a matter of in twenty years you'll get people who say
>The first is kind of okay, but the SECOND?
I do hope they give him a bit more confidence as they go on, though. People were joking about him losing his cool during the Lois interview but genuinely did damage my thoughts on the film. I don't need stoic, god knows we've had enough of that, but we do need someone with a little more gravitas. I think that defines Superman for me.

>>212681744
>I'm all for making a point that Superman's biological parents are more important or just better parental figures than the El's
You mean Adoptive? Kents are better?

Lex really shot that Indian guy dead huh?

>>212683129
>Superman can breathe in space
>That means he doesn’t need his lungs and will be ok if they were filled with black goo
/tv/ logic everyone

>>212685546
Yeah full on fucking dead even gets memorialized on the newspaper front page

>>212685594
that's exactly what it means, retard. if you can "breathe" in a vacuum (where there is literally nothing), then you don't need your lungs to survive. they're only useful for expelling air to speak.

>>212685636
He can't breathe in it he holds his breath

>>212685339
I liked the scene where Lois interviewed him. Clark's boyish naivety and unstoppable impulse to save lives is what makes Superman tolerable. A Superman with a more nuanced moral philosophy would be frightening.

>>212685339
>People were joking about him losing his cool during the Lois interview but genuinely did damage my thoughts on the film. I don't need stoic, god knows we've had enough of that, but we do need someone with a little more gravitas. I think that defines Superman for me.

Him "losing it" didn't bother me. It's a good question. The problem I had was or the way I wanted it written was that Superman couldn't just stand by the sidelines when people were about to be killed. Like from a human perspective, borders and leaders and treaties but for Superman and maybe even Metahumans they have this ability to stop people from being hurt without consideration to the politics behind it. I wanted an argument like if your neighbors were in a physical fight and one was hurting the other would you stop yourself from helping because one was more important than the other or one was the mayor so you need to consider his reelection campaign before you call the police? NO, you'd jump in and help , you'd jump in and stop the fight however you could. And that's how Superman looks at these conflicts, people are being hurt or threatened and he CAN NOT do nothing.

But instead it felt like more of a reason to monologue about global events the whole argument sounds like a fight you're having with yourself so you can make a point to the audience.

>>212685717
I like how it also showed Lois cared a lot about journalistic ethics and wouldn't use her feelings for him get in the way

>>212685636
>Why does Superman have lungs? Plothole!
This is a sign you’re thinking too hard about comic book movies

>>212683129
They literally address that when she's filling his lungs with nanites.

"But sir, Superman can hold his breath for hours"
"Not if he didn't get a good breath of oxygen in first"

Also this is a universe where aliens are already heavily established, you really think they don't have ships?

>people finally realised it's doing good and will at least break even at the box office so discussions are now about whether superman has lungs or not and whether that makes gunn a hack writer

>>212685899
maybe you're not thinking enough, which is why you hate snyderkino

>>212685868
Lol, interviewing your boyfriend for an official publication without informing audiences of your relationship is a pretty large breach of journalistic ethics.

Otherwise I agree Lois and the rest of the Daily Planet crew were exceptionally well-done. It felt like I was watching an episode of Veep in the middle of a Superman movie.

>>212678612
TFA was a fine movie on its own, it was the shitty sequels that caused people to turn on it

>>212686089
less of a breach than interviewing yourself

>>212681885
>>212686082
snyder literally has dildo alien pods

>>212669259 (OP)
It was entertaining/alright but with many caveats. Superman parents/Kryptonian culture being actually evil was a terrible change in one of the core things in the "lore", and it really felt like it was doctored by Luthor but apparently not. And Luthor is way too evil, I don't think that in the comics he executes innocents just to get back at Superman... And that whole border invasion scene was honestly embarassing. Super tech army in one side and peasants with pitchforks in the other waiting to be slaughtered? Why not just show that they have just a shitty army with old tanks, it was way too ridiculous.