>121M domestic
>Less than MoS 128M(pre-screenings included) unadjusted for inflation
>96M international
>Dead in china, Europe
This ain't going past 550-600mil.

>>212669785 (OP)
>highest opening for a Superman movie
>3rd highest of the year
Bye bye snyderjeet

>>212669830
>>highest opening for a Superman movie
It isn't. Sorry Gunnpedo.

>>212669785 (OP)
This isn't going past 500 million WW.

>>212669785 (OP)
It's an ugly looking movie. I hate Gunn.

>>212669785 (OP)
Opened lower than Quantumania. CGI looks worse than Quantumania.

No chance it surpasses MoS's final box office. Snyder movies were shit, but at least his first Superman movie made money.

>>212669852
Why? Will a meteor hit earh next week?
>>212669883
You mean quantumania who crashed completely after opening?

>>212669785 (OP)
>/tv/ numbers
LMAO, Snydercucks.

>>212669785 (OP)
>128M(pre-screenings included)
()
lmao. Actual number
>$116,619,362

>>212669785 (OP)
(((Boravians))) lost. Nobody cares if their demon god promised them Jarhanpur 3000 years ago. Seethe more (((boravian)

>>212669945
Based cope.

>makes up fake numbers
Getting a bit pathetic OP

>>212669883
>Opened lower than Quantumania
>OW: $106,109,650
Why are you lying?

>>212669987
My innocent Gunnkek....

>>212670053
Why are you posting a headline instead of the article?

Money down it won’t drop 67% it’s second weekend like MOS

>>212670064
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/06/16/weekend-box-office-man-of-steel-soars-to-125-million-debut/

>>212670100
>Since Man of Steel was actually a little front-loaded this weekend, it's unfortunately going to matter whether or not you count that extra $12 million from the Thursday Wal-Mart screenings as part of the opening weekend or merely basically 'bonus grosses' to be counted exclusively as Thursday figures. So bear with me, as this might get a little complicated.
Oh, that's why, because you tried to count a four day opening as a three day.

>>212670000
Boravians are Russians. Jarhanpur is Afghanistan. You are a retard.

>>212670100
Gunnsisters.....I don't feel good.....

>>212670100
>>212670152
samefag

>>212670100
>immediately disproves his own claim that it was totally the weekend gross
So 116M as stated then

>>212670135
You really think the 22M pre-screenings aren't included in the 121M of Superman 2025?

>>212670184
Superman 2025 also has 22M on pre-screenings retard. It had early shoes from Monday unlike MoS Steel which opened on Thursday.

>>212670160
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>212670187
>>212670254
Midnight screenings are not what are being referenced in the Forbes above, Man of Steel had a special deal to open ticket sales on Thursday in Walmart stores. That is not a normal circumstance and that is why it isn't counted as part of the weekend gross.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/man-steel-warner-bros-walmart-444867/

>>212670370
>You can count pre-screenings from Monday for my film
>C-Can't count Thursday ticket sales for y-yours!
Based Gunnkeks.

>>212670433
>you HAVE to count this special day of ticket sales in Walmart stores for the weekend cinema sales for my film because....you just have to ok! I want number bigger!

>>212670537
>No argument
Concession accepted.

>>212669909
>Why?

Because it will drop more than 60% in the US next week and the rest of the world already rejected the film. Then there's F4 coming out soon.

>>212670564
>Because it will drop more than 60% in the US next week
Says who?

>>212670727
The future.

>>212670564
>uh it totally will have a Man of Steel level drop because....I said so!

>>212670046
That is just the domestic OW, retard

>>212670727
Me

>>212670727
>>212671789
Says everyone who isn't a retard. Name the last movie that got less than 50% second weekend drop.

>>212669830
>highest opening for a Superman movie
Not domestically or adjusted for inflation.

>>212670727
Anyone who can read projections.

>>212671864
hang on, why is it suddenly less than 50%?
you said "more than 60%" a second ago

>>212671968
What projections are you reading?

>>212671864
Sinners, in April, -5% drop.

is there any way to petition for a super hero board? There is as much a distinction as there is between /a/ and /tv/

>>212672066
The ones factoring in that it made less than MoS domestically and that it's underperforming internationally, and that F4 is coming out soon to break Superzoom-zoom's knees.

>>212672125
So you're just making up bullshit based on wishful thinking, got it.

>>212672144
See you in a couple of weeks when this movie is completely dead and forgotten, kiddo.

>>212672199
No, this one is not made by Snyder

>>212672125
>it made less than MoS domestically
It did not, and more importantly, that isn't a projection, and doesn't even make sense. Did every film that had a smaller opening weekend than MoS automatically have a bigger second weekend drop? MoS's being a pretty bad 65%.
>underperforming internationally
What does this have to do with the domestic second weekend?
>F4 is coming out soon
Not opening next week, so what does this have to do with the domestic second weekend?

>>212672199
It cant be more dead than the Snyderverse

>>212672310
>It did not
Stopped reading right here. Come back when you can do basic math, jeet.

>>212669785 (OP)
With dvd sales it will be fine. Trump made foreigners not want to see our movies.

>>212672125
>it will decline heavily in America in its second weekend because....it's underperforming in China!
Logic?

>>212672342
How convenient for you.
Almost like you couldn't answer the questions.

>>212672239
>>212672314

Snyder shat out MoS, BvS, JL, Flash, two Aquaman movies, and two WW movies. I hated all of them except MoS, but he got farther than Gunn will.

>>212672381
>Flash, two Aquaman movies, and two WW
>attributing them to Snyder

>>212672373
Why would I answer questions from someone who's being disingenuous from the first sentence, brownie?

>>212672436
Because you have no answer to them and your post made no sense.

>>212672347
Man of Steel had a better domestic opening and it dropped off 64%. Superman will drop somewhere around there and then F4 comes out to completely fuck its legs.

>>212672125
Wonder Woman opened under MoS yet finished higher than it.

>>212669852
It's not even going to hit 200 mil.

>>212672479
>Superman will drop somewhere around there
Once again, why?

>>212672479
>Man of Steel had a better domestic opening*
(as long as you count the Thursday Walmart opening)

>>212672456
>lies from the outset
>b-but why don't you want to answer my questions??
Clear enough for ya, ESL?

>>212672502
It's at 217 million already anon.

>>212672514
Because there's always a significant drop off. Are you dumb?

>>212669785 (OP)
Only needs $500 million to be a success

>>212672539
No, answer them.
What does "underperforming internationally" have to do with the domestic second weekend, and what does F4 opening in two weeks have to do with the domestic second weekend?
Those were your reasons given, so back it up.

>>212672535
Okay let's remove thursday from the equation. Now it's MoS's 116 million vs Superman's 100-ish million. Adjust for inflation and it gets even worse for Superman.

>>212672424
Snyder cast tranny as Flash, nigger as Aquaman and Israeli skeleton as WonderWoman so yes, I attribute them to him.

>>212672569
>Because there's always a significant drop off
No there isn't. What nonsense is this? You're literally claiming no movie has ever NOT dropped steeply?

>>212672618
>NOW I'll adjust for inflation!

>>212672595
I don't converse with liars.

>>212672618
No, anon. That isn't removing Thursday, that is removing the Walmart opening. It still had Thursday previews counted as part of Friday, like every other film.

You're dancing around the fact that the Walmart opening on Thursday was a special circumstance only for Man of Steel, which is why it was disputed as being counted as the weekend cinema gross. It is not equal to Thursday previews, which are standard for big films, and are counted in the Friday gross.

>>212672701
You pulled a load of shit out of your ass and now you're desperately avoiding backing it up.

>>212672682
No need. MoS wins even without that.

>>212672709
Stop lying, shill.

>>212672729
Stop trying to get my attention, shitskin. Admit you lied and maybe then I'll answer your questions.

>>212672569
No anon, there isn't "always" a steep drop off. For films opening at 200+ million, there is a high percentage drop, because at that giant an opening, percentages go up fast, but the second weekend might still dwarf entire openings of other blockbusters.

In this case, we're talking about films in the low 100s, so your claim makes zero sense, why would there always be a steep 60+% drop off? Just because Man of Steel had it? That film had a mixed reception, it wasn't quite the TDK-for-Superman that the marketing promised. 65% is not standard by any means.

>>212672841
No, you won't, you'll find another excuse. Because your claim made no sense and you know it made no sense.

>>212672105
Superman isn't Sinners

>>212672040
Even 50% drop guarantees under 500 million WW.

Comic book films are front loaded so Superman will drop more than 60%

>>212672938
Okay, then stop wasting my time.

>>212669785 (OP)
OWW MY BALLS

>>212672985
The last comic book film to open was Thunderbolts, which dropped 56%. So you couldn't even make it to one before that claim was disproven.

>>212672921
Even Wonder Woman, which made more and a lot of positive reviews, had a 45% drop off. It's inevitable that Zoomerman will have at least a 50% drop off, but I'm betting on more because most positive reviews were "eh, it was okay 6/10". That's not the crazy word of mouth shills are making it out to be. This ain't Star Wars.

>>212672985
Lol Why would it do under 500m with such good reception? It needs horrible WOM in the us for that

>>212673087
>Even Wonder Woman, which made more and a lot of positive reviews, had a 45% drop off
What do you mean "even"? That's a superb drop. Exemplary for a 100M grossing opening in fact.

>>212673087
>It's inevitable that Zoomerman will have at least a 50% drop off
The claim was "60%+". Now it's "at least 50%"?

>not only do we need to remember inflation from 2013, but we have to remember the affect of gas and food prices, which shows more financial exertion and interest in MoS than Superman
>Superman made 200 mil in three days, yes, but consider the box office of Burkina Faso, where it has made two dollars
>Even Quantumania, despite its 8,000,000,000 budget, made fourteen dollars, but also consider the impact Thomas Sankara's death had on the economy during 2013-

Snyderjeets are revolting.

>>212673123
Yeah, I'm betting on 60+.

>>212673105
The Batman had a 50% drop off too and it made more than Superman in its domestic opening.

>>212673192
>shills pretending that inflation doesn't exist so their shitty movie doesn't seem like as much of a flop

Sad. Even sadder when you remember that MoS is winning without taking inflation into account.

>>212673260
Both had a 217 mil global opening.
And yes, why the fuck would I count inflation?
Do you genuinely believe Gone with the Wind is the highest grossing film of all time?

>>212673318
>And yes, why the fuck would I count inflation?
Because purchasing power is real, you fucking retard. A dollar in 2013 is worth more than a dollar in 2025.

>>212673318
>Both
Superman did.
MoS had 200 mil.

i still cant believe they had superman free palestine

>>212673385
Too bad we don't live in 2013 then.
Is that how you live your life?
Do you barter for 2013 prices on everything?

>>212673435
That's irrelevant.

>>212673473
Slang for:
>I don't want to answer that

>"Bomb? What's that?"

>>212673518
You didn't ask a real question, jeet. A dollar in 2013 was worth more than a dollar today, and MoS's 670 million is around 940 million in 2025 money. That's reality.

>>212669785 (OP)
Wowie Zowie! Riiight in the Kryptonian Crystals!
>>212669877
Same. His movies are aesthetically unpleasant.

>>212673648
Oh no.
And seeing how MoS is currently competing in the market that definitely matters!
Let me guess, Snyder is going to get earnings from the new estimation?
The film's box office is now going to triple in actual value?
Or do you just get to pretend that your sand dollar is worth its weight in gold?

>>212673741
Your logic's retarded, bro. Just quit while you're ahead.

>>212672985
>Comic book films are front loaded so Superman will drop more than 60%
Let's test this claim on the recent years of the MCU, which is in an undeniable down period.
>Thunderbolts*: 56% (average, especially off a soft opening)
>Captain America Brave New World: 68% (terrible)
>Deadpool & Wolverine: 54% (excellent considering it was a massive 211M opening)
>The Marvels: 78% (obviously, one of the all-time worst, especially off a terrible opening to begin with)
>Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: 48% (excellent, off a strong opening)
>Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania: 70% (atrocious)
>Black Panther Wakana Forever: 63% (bad, but off a massive 180M opening so a little inflated)
And so on. So all I'm really seeing here is it varies from audience reception and the size of the opening. There's no hard rule particularly different from other summer blockbusters.

As for similar domestic openings, Man of Steel's opening is very close to GOTG Vol. 3, which as you can see above, dropped 48% while MoS dropped 65%. Other similar comic book domestic opening totals to MoS would be Thor Ragnarok, which dropped 53%, and Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, which dropped 54%
Also on a slightly amusing note, Avengers Infinity War is on the same ranking, grossing about even with MoS...on its SECOND weekend (a 55% drop, pretty extraordinary for what was then the biggest opening weekend of all time, at 257M). Incidentally, Avengers Endgame, the still highest opening ever at 357M, still dropped only 59% on its second weekend.

>>212673786
>B-b-but it would have been more successful if it was in this economy!
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

>>212673741
It matters when the studio looks at the box office and they go
>Hey, wait a minute. The new Superman made less money than the previous one. Why did we hire this Gunn guy and reboot the whole thing?

>>212673098
Why?

>international box office cratered
>US box office will get raped by F4 soon

>>212673318
The GWTW "record" is utter bullshit anyway, it completely ignores various contexts on the differences of the industry in that time, conflates countless re-releases into one, and in general presents very vague estimates as factual figures.

>>212673473
Suddenly it's irrelevant huh?

>>212673800
It varies from 50% to 60% on average. Both are bad for Superman 2025, especially for the international market which is already pretty bad.

>>212673831
No it doesn't.

>>212673831
>Hey, wait a minute.
>The thing that was as good as this a decade ago would have done better in a different timeline!
>Golly gee why didn't we enter that timeline?
Brilliant.
>>212673843
I agree.

>>212673888
50% off a 122M opening is not bad, at all. It's average.

>>212673862
Yeah, when you attempt to derail the conversation with irrelevant shit. 1 dollar in 2013 is worth $1.40 now. That's it.

>>212673888
Given the original claim was that it was GUARANTEED to be "over 60+%" I'm going to conclude he had absolutely no basis for his claim.

>>212673831
yes as we all know, context doesn't exist

>>212673904
>The thing that was as good as this a decade ago would have done better in a different timeline!
Yeah, this totally how studio execs see things, anon.

>>212673918
You're the one that brought up "muh adjusted".

>>212673918
>1 dollar in 2013 is worth $1.40 now. That's it.
And as the number climbs up, the bigger the gap is.

>>212673957
>T-they see things my way not yours!!
Okie dokie.

>>212673946
>good reviews
>good word of mouth (according to shills)
>coming off the successful Batman reboot
>Snyder gone
>universe rebooted to be more le silver age

So what's the context that excuses making less than MoS?

>still more than thunderbolts
>F4 looks like shit
Yep DC is back at the top

>when we put the past in the present the outcome is different therefore that outcome matters realistically

>>212672625
He had nothing to do with what WB decided to do post Whedon JL. 10 years of flops all produced by the same morons who produced Gunn Superman

>>212673964
Yeah, because it matters because guess what, inflation also affects the budget. This trash had a 360 million dollar budget, reportedly.

>>212673974
Welcome to inflation.

>>212673985
They see money. When your new movie makes less than your old one, that's bad.

>>212674037
>F4 looks like shit
Maybe on Planet Retard. Superflop has the same DP, same vfx team, same producers as The Flash

>>212674037
>F4 looks like shit

Doesn't matter, capetards will watch anything.

>>212674012
Capeshit was at its peak back then, capeshit fatigue has hit hard since then. The Marvels was the biggest financial flop of all time for fucks sake

>>212674069
>when the money they didn't get is hypothetically more than what they could have got, everything going forward must pay
Brilliant.

>suddenly the retards care about Man Of Steel

>>212674097
It looks unarguably worse than superman though, why are you pajeets so bad at CGI btw?

>>212669785 (OP)
>CGI which cost $363 million for Warner Bros.
Bravo, Gunn!
>>212670053
The Gunn's movie will bring less money than Snyder's 2013 Man of Steel and is a commercial flop.
Bravo, Gunn!

>>212674156
Wow, you're actually retarded. They did get the money in 2013. It was just worth more than the same amount is today.

>>212674147
And Spider-man No Way Home made 2 billion. Capeshit fatigue is just people being tired of bad movies.

>>212674201
>Shucks what I had a while ago was worth more according to now!
>Therefore now is a failure, even though I've made the exact same thing in each respective time
Brilliant.

>>212672117
Blame DC fans unironically. They're all unhinged. Fantastic Four will do better than Superman next weekend and will have less than half the shilling.

COPE AND SEETH PEDOGUNNFAGS

>‘Superman’ Trailer Launches to ‘Over 250 Million Views,’ ‘The Most Viewed Trailer in the History of Both DC and Warner Bros.’
2 BILLION CONFIRMED
>View Anon says negative reactions are lies!
3 BILLION CONFIRMED
>Early domestic opening weekend predictions are $180 to $210
4 BILLION CONFIRMED
>92 RT SCORE
5 BILLION CONFIRMED
>96% audience score
WORD OF MOUTH BABY! 20 BILLION CONFIRMED

The audience is heavily skewed male, with males making up 68% of the audience and females at 32%
A- cinemascore
PostTrack approval went down from Friday to Saturday
82% RT 72% Top critics
68 Metacritc
Audience score down to 93%
Domestic box office is bad
International BO is terrible
No word of mouth bump
No walk up bump

>>212674256
>according to now
SAAAAAAAAAAAAARS

I DON'T UNDERSTAND INFLATION SAAAAAAAAARS
MY RUPEEES FOR SHILLING THIS MOVIE WILL BE WORTH LESS NEXT YEAR?!

>>212674336
>turns into jeet mid-discussion
Quite odd defense.

>>212674271
But then we'll have >laugh at the gunnjeets threads

>>212674369
Nigger, look at your fucking sentences. I'm an English major and I'm having a stroke trying to decipher your ESL babbling.

>>212669785 (OP)

It's at least getting a 20% drop next week, bare minimum, then Fantastic Four comes the week after that, and it's going to steal 80% of it's audience(And still flop too)
This shit is not making it to 600 Millions, Fantastic Four is barely making it to 500 at best.
Capeshit is dead and I'm loving it so much.

>>212674417
I'm an English major and you turned into a jeet for some reason.
Care to explain why?

>>212674448
I was mocking you. Get it now, jeet?

>>212674488
Not really. I would preferred just a regular conversation, not a return to your homeland.

>>212674069
>When your new movie makes less than your old one from 13 years ago, from a very different era, that's bad.
MGM must be consistently seething that they cannot beat Gone with the Wind.

>>212674422
>20% drop next week
In fucking fantasy land. It's dropping 50% bare minimum. No way this slop is outperforming The Batman.

The thing is, it's not just about raw totals with this film. Yes, billions would be nice (like TFA). But a positive reception is in some ways MORE important when the brand is in a down period and needs a new start with the general public.

Batman Begins for instance, grossed 357M, worldwide. Not just domestic, that was 202M. In 2005, that's decent, but not exemplary numbers. It's about even with Batman Forever from a full decade earlier when cinema grosses were wildly different, and the idea of a billion dollar film hadn't been reached even with the very biggest films in the world
It wasn't doing Spider-Man numbers, or even X-Men 2 numbers.

And yet, the good reception it received was worth more in the long run because it revitalized the Batman brand, and set the stage for two billion-dollar grossers in TDK and TDKR.

Likewise, Spider-Man Homecoming did well, 878M, but not the numbers Avengers or even Iron Man had achieved, and about flat with Spider-Man 3, then a decade old (and from before the period where billion dollar grosses became commonplace). It's actually only 180M more than The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and yet, the latter's 700M was considered at that time enough of a disappointment for Sony to can their plans for sequels and spin-offs and go to Marvel to make a deal to share the character in Marvel's films. The good reception to Homecoming set the stage for the billion+ dollar grossers in Far From Home and No Way Home (the latter almost reaching 2 billion), the biggest Spider-Man films ever.

So raw number totals don't exist in a vacuum. Expectations and reception DO play a part.
I am not stating that this will automatically be the case with Superman 2025. But it will play a part in how Warner Bros considers whether it is a good basis for the next years of their brand. International numbers are weak, that's undeniable, but international numbers have suffered in recent years already, especially in China where the 2010s Hollywood boom crashed in the 2020s.

>>212674012
The theatrical environment AND genre is completely different than it was in 2013?

>>212674540
>would preferred
It's "would have preferred", brownoid. WB isn't sending their best.

>>212674228
> tired of bad movies.
Explain Jurassic World Rebirth.

>>212674550
The last Spider-man made 2 billion, retard. And yes, when you reboot a whole franchise and start from scratch, you expect to make at least as much. Otherwise, what's the fucking point?

>>212674550
Lmao
>>212674608
Comma goes inside the quotation mark.
Is that your sister?

>>212674012
Consider what the previous 3-4 DC movies made. Not Man of Steel, a 2013 film. How did Superman perform compared to Aquaman The Lost Kingdom, Blue Beetle, Shazam Fury of the Gods and The Flash?

>>212674328
>A- cinemascore
That's amazing though wsuperman is also making more than thunderbolts which was sold as the new avengers movie, when the 7636th reboot of a movie beats ensemble flicks they're doing fine

>>212674097
>Superflop has the same DP, same vfx team, same producers as The Flash
He is talking about F4. Why are you talking about Superman instead of F4?

>>212674592
How different were the theatrical environment and genre in 2021 when Spider-man made 2 billion? Or in 2023 when The Batman made nearly 800 million?

>>212674422
anon if you have no idea about box office numbers please stop trying to talk about it

>>212674700
Because they're disneyshills and they're bracing for yet another franchise sinking flop with F4. That's why we're getting jeetspammed with these threads

>>212674574
All this cope about "setting the stage for what comes next" fails under the slightest scrutiny.

What comes next is not The Dark Knight or Far From Home. It's Supergirl and Clayface.

>>212674707
Spider-Man and Batman are both much bigger cinematic brands than Superman. So I would say that isn't a very useful comparison.

>>212674672
>Comma goes inside the quotation mark.
Only in American English, retard.

>>212674567
I know, I was being nice, I was thinking more of a 30-40% drop off, MINIMUM.

>>212674730

Cope and seethe capeshit troon

Reminder to not listen to the snyderjeet monkeys

>>212674679
Why don't you compare Superman to Wonder Woman or Aquaman? Because it kills your argument.

>>212669785 (OP)
>bold new shilling strategy of calling everyone who doesn’t like this particular capeshit a pajeet
>since “guerrilla marketing” companies overwhelmingly hire Indians to astroturf, it’s likely an Indian being forced to call you Indian
>his job depends on it

>>212674819
>Clayface
Reeves directed? DC is winning this shit easily then

>>212674823
Not really. Superman 1978 made a fuckton of money for the time.

>>212674833
That's right jeet. Speak my language.

>>212674902
James Watkins (Speak No Evil, Eden Lake, The Woman in Black) is the director of Clayface.

>>212674819
>Clayface.
Are you serious? Why would anyone greenlight that instead of The Batman 2 or Wonder Woman?

>>212669785 (OP)
When saying how much a movie has made, why don't people do estimated budget as a base? So if I make a movie for 250 million, spent 250 million on marketing, then it has made 0 until it hits 500,000,001. That seems more fair and honest.

>>212674941
>this brownoid still expects people to believe he's a native English speaker

Get ChatGPT to write your shill posts. It will be less embarrassing.

>>212669785 (OP)
>>212671881
>muh inflation

>>212674971
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt34890576/

Filming next month

>>212674992
Why aren't marketing budgets included alongside the movie budget anyways?

>>212674992
But that's wrong. You don't get 100% of the gross. You get roughly 50% from the domestic gross, and less from the international gross. I think it's 25% from China, for example.

>>212674971
maybe they have a good script?

>>212674869
Because they came out before the capeshit fatigue you dishonest indian subhuman, only big brands make money now. Disney tried to make an ensemble movie with characters already established in previous movies and shows just this year with thunderbolts and bombed way harder than this movie

>>212675021
No thanks Roop.

>>212672580
>WB panicked the fuck out with the 670 million MOS did back then and rushed everything
It's going to happen again

>>212669785 (OP)
So let me get this straight, under Obama even shite earned Money, under Orange Man even kino suffers?

>>212675047
Because you can't accurately estimate marketing budgets. Like right now WB is claiming that they only spent 100 million to market Superman. It's bullshit but nobody can prove it.

When it comes to production budget, reporters can easily find official documents like tax rebate stuff that list the real production budget.

>>212674819
Supergirl as a cosmic road trip with Jason Momoa's Lobo is pretty unusual, it's hard to know how that will perform. It may break out, it may flop. Who knows? Clayface is a small budget film so I don't really see it in the same way.

It also is not "cope" to point out that brand revitalization in terms of reception IS valuable. Nor did I claim that Superman 2025 had automatically achieved that. I wouldn't make a claim after a single weekend, that would be retarded. I'm pointing out this is not the first time a comic book brand has needed a fresh start after a down period, and previous examples returned with lowering grossing yet better received films. Those are objective facts that happened pointing them out is not the same as claiming Superman must automatically do the same, I'm only saying that it will be a factor in how WB views the relative success of the investment.

I think you are also leaving out that Man of Steel in 2013 was considered a disappointment by WB because they had convinced themselves that they would match TDK, hence the extremely heavy leaning on Nolan for the film's big marketing. They were very much selling it as the equivalent to the TDK trilogy but for Superman. It didn't kill it, just was disappointing, but I do think it affected their decision to go with Batman v Superman in full Marvel copy mode instead of Man of Steel 2.

>>212675024
>If I pretend inflation isn't real, everybody else will too

>>212674992
>spent 250 million on marketing
It only spent 100 million on marketing

>>212675094
>No thanks Roop.

PS You missed a comma there, bud.

>>212675111
>WB is claiming that they only spent 100 million to market Superma
I think any capable thinking human can see that that it's total bullshit
This movie was absolutely astroturfed everywhere, fuck, even F4 isn't getting this amount of marketing Superman has had

>>212675040
Jesus Christ. Is Gunn trying to redeem Snyder or something?

>>212675062
Lol.

>>212669830
It's worth pointing Man of Steel opened internationally in only 24 countries. Superman 2025 opened in 78 countries.
>Man of Steel: $71 millions from 24 markets
>Superman: $95 million from 78 markets

>>212669785 (OP)
Wait, people actually liked this garbage?

>dog literally hijacks every major moment. Every time there's tension "haa haa look le dog saves the day again oh my god it's wagging its tail, awww so wholesome. overdone, inorganic, forced "quirky charm"
>nobody in the movie acts like a real human
civilians just stand around during crises like actual NPCs. major battles, explosions, collapsing buildings and zero evacuations, no real panic, no injuries somehow no civilian casualties at all?? what is this, Lego Batman?
>political drama was painfully out of place
>dialogues are surface-level Twitter bait,
completely killing pacing
>Terrible CGI. looked plasticky and cheap in several action scenes
>no real plot. zero payoff. nothing engaging or memorable in terms of story
>left theater feeling absolutely nothing
I won't get baited into watching capeshit again

>>212675111
>Like right now WB is claiming that they only spent 100 million to market Superman. It's bullshit
Probably accurate, I haven't seen a single ad for this shit in Europe

>>212675223
>Wait, people actually liked this garbage?
Yes, White people are liking it, Ranjeesh.
I know is hard to believe for you.

>>212674869
Perhaps you should compare them, and ask why both of those films far outgrossed Man of Steel. In the case of Aquaman, almost doubling Man of Steel.

>>212675113
>It also is not "cope" to point out that brand revitalization in terms of reception IS valuable
It is if it's based on "They did A, then followed with B" and you use that to claim that "They did A, now they will follow it with ??? and get the same results!"

To build on Superman, the next movie should go UP and BIGGER instead of going down and smaller. Batman Begins had B-tier villains, TDK had Joker and Two-Face, for example. Now they're going with "Superman but it's a drunk slut LMAO" and a low-budget horror film. Good luck with that.

>I think you are also leaving out that Man of Steel in 2013
I don't give a fuck about Man of Steel.

>>212672709
Are you implying people watched the movie inside of a Walmart on a Thursday night? Because I assume Walmart let people buy tickets early that they would take to the weekend showings. No?

>>212674869
Aquaman came out at the PEAK of the comic book movie boom. Right there in December 2018, a middle point between Infinity War and Endgame. The 2018-2019 period was THE biggest for comic book films there ever was and almost certainly ever will be, you had Infinity War, Endgame, Black Panther, Aquaman, Spider-Man Far From Home, and Captain Marvel all grossing over a billion dollars in a two year period, or over two billion in the case of the two Avengers films. In fact it's the biggest peak of ANY genre there's ever been.

Wonder Woman is a very strange example to bring up, because that film opened lower than either Superman or Man of Steel. What it had was extraordinary legs that carried it to a big final gross.

>>212674924
...and the rest, anon?

>>212674885

>>212675259
>tanking everywhere except USA and India
>white people like it

>>212675259
b-b-but the indian guy was portrayed as a hero and courageous dude. Why would jeets not like this film? Explain in non /pol/ terms, faggot.

>>212675314
Superman 2 made 4-5 times its budget IIRC.

>>212673831
Facts. They would have gotten roughly the same box office if they hired some hack like Renny Harlin to direct a Superman film written by a committee.

>>212674992
>spent 250 million on marketing
Stop making up random numbers, anon. You would never manage to spend that amount on marketing.

>>212675286
There is no peak, you faggot shill. There are only movies people like and movies they don't like. Like I said, Spider-man NWH and The Batman made plenty of money just recently.

>>212675269
Because they liked them more. What's your point?

>>212673800
56 + 68 + 54 + 78 + 48 +70 + 63 = 437 437 / 7 = 62.4
The average dropoff for comic book films is 62.4%

has a film ever hit a billi with the majority of the ticket sales being domestic?

>>212669785 (OP)
wow sneeder really damaged the brand huh?

>>212675413
Those are big brands, Thunderbolts made less money than Superman and that shit was riding on like 8 movies and 6 shows

>>212675493
The Dark Knight.

>>212675534
>Bucky and 5 literally whos

Are you really comparing that to fucking Superman.

>>212675493
Black Panther (LOL)

>>212675161
I just wanted to be comprehensible for you.
You can't spell and can't make art either.

>>212673800
>>212673080
>supes will drop about 60%
>nuh uh it'll only drop 56%
>so? that's still a flop on a 350+ million budget
>...SNYDER SNYDER SNYDER RAPED MY ASSHOLE
It's a disastrous opening and will crater next weekend, same as every other capeshit with poor box office turnout on weekend 1. Even comparing it to Thunderbolts means it failed.

Bidenfags vote against their own economic interests

>>212675603
The new avengers with a bunch of famous actors to a character on its like 5th reboot played by a literal who? Yes, thunderbolts should have won actually, thing is that movie was bad and this one is good, that's why its doing so much better

>>212674924
That's one movie, from 50 years ago
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Spider-Man
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Batman
You're really going to claim Superman matches the above two?
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Superman

>>212674992
It's more like
Production budget is probably around 300-350 millions(We had proof of them lying about budget before, you know they do it)
Marketing budget around 100 millions
Then theaters cuts
The movie probably needs to make 750-800 just to get it's budget back, and 1 billion to be considered a success.

This was commong knowledge, a movie that has a budget above 200 millions is supposed to be a billion dollars movie to be a success, but lefties and capeshit troons are trying to reinvent that and pretend that a 300 millions movie is a massive success if it's make 600 because nobody wants to see their shitty movies anymore.

>>212675047
Because they're very opaque in comparison and there's no easy estimate for them. There's also the fact that certain aspects of marketing actually bring IN revenue. James Bond for instance, makes a lot of money based on product placement. Not just obvious stuff like a Sony laptop, everything in them is catnip for luxury brands who want their stuff in a Bond film. His suits, his watches, his shoes, his cars, even shit that isn't on screen like razors or whatever, these brands want to be associataed with a Bond film so they can sell their products based on being "Bond's ____" and the studio makes money from them.

It's a murky aspect, it's not just "pay for adverts" that goes into marketing. Even the production budget which is more likely to be listed doesn't take into account favorable things like tax breaks for using specific locations for filming, or specific studio lots. Those can take chunks off a production budget before a single ticket is sold.

>>212675194
>>212675237
Look at this shit. A good example of why you can't estimate it. Two completely different claims just based on feelings.

>>212675272
>They did A, now they will follow it with ??? and get the same results!"
Where did I claim that?

>>212675413
uhh.........dduuuuuuur ting not matter......things.....simpleeee

>>212675637
>it took him 14 minutes to come up with this

>>212675603
Need I remind you we're talking about fucking Aquaman here

>>212675705
>famous actors

lmao

>>212675645
>it WILL drop over 60% GUARANTEED!
>that is not guaranteed, here are comparative numbers
>NUMBERS DON'T MATTER

>>212675857
>>212675705
Aquaman - fun movie with decent action that the audience liked
Thunderbolts - shitty movie that the audience didn't like

Simple enough for ya? There's a reason the first Aquaman movie did well and the second one tanked. Same for Wonder Woman.

>>212675645
>It's a disastrous opening and will crater next weekend, same as every other capeshit with poor box office turnout on weekend 1
It is above GOTG Vol. 3, which had a 48% drop in its second weekend. Assuming you can successfully complete a second sentence, how do you explain this?

>>212675795
>Where did I claim that?

Here you go:

>The thing is, it's not just about raw totals with this film.
>But a positive reception is in some ways MORE important when the brand is in a down period and needs a new start with the general public.
>Batman Begins for instance... set the stage for two billion-dollar grossers in TDK and TDKR.
>Likewise, Spider-Man Homecoming... set the stage for the billion+ dollar grossers in Far From Home and No Way Home (the latter almost reaching 2 billion), the biggest Spider-Man films ever.

Sorry to be this blunt, but comparing Superman (2025) to Batman Begins, let alone Spider-Man Homecoming, is delusional and retarded.

>>212675907
>if it flops slightly less, we win!

>>212675645
Are you claiming at 56% and 65% are the same numbers producing the same result?

>>212669785 (OP)
Wait a minute, there is a actual chance that his shit will end up around Captain Nog box office numbers, no fucking way, KEK

>>212669785 (OP)
good maybe they will stop making these shit movies

This is just like when FF7 Rebirth all everyone was talking about was the sales number. Are you niggers going to be like this for Fantastic Four too?

>>212675878
Yes, any other cope you want to share with us?

>>212676084
No, you?

>>212676044
no because half of the people who are doing this are paid disney shills anyways.

>>212676145
You mean WB shills. The Disney shills will be here in 2 weeks for F4.

Why do you hate this movie so much? It's fun and inoffensive. The most comic accurate Superman since the 70s.

>>212676187
>for F4
People aren't as interested in F4 as they are in Superman.

>>212675964
It is quite reasonable to compare them, given they occupy the exact same space of a brand on a downturn that is being given a fresh start with the intent of revitalizing audience interest and trust. Like it is exactly the same situation. Why would I not compare it?

I not only did not claim Superman would follow the same trajectory, I specifically said I wasn't claiming that
>I am not stating that this will automatically be the case with Superman 2025
Instead I was stating that it will be a factor in how WB assesses the film's performance, and that it won't be simply raw numbers in a vacuum.

>>212676201
muh snyder daddy

>>212676201
It's highly offensive if you have more than zero taste.

>>212669785 (OP)
They simply wouldn't have hired a pedophile and a jew.

>>212676201
Shut up, jeet. Comic Superman is not a pussy that lets Guy Gardner shit on him or Supergirl call him a bitch.

>>212675946
There's a second sentence in my previous post illiterate-kun. GoTG had an opening weekend of 289.3 million global. Supes is at 217 million with a higher budget. It's underperforming, especially abroad, which will lead to a harsher dropoff.
>>212675976
No but 60 and 56, the numbers compared by the other anons that i brought up, are pretty close. But at this rate, even a 50% drop-off is alarming because of what I said above.

>>212676201
Why do you faggots try to make everyone believe that 70s comics should be adapted when the foundations of Superman began after the Silver Age, you fucking faggot subhuman pedo jew shit?

>Trying to make it about Superman vs Man Of Steel, Not other DC films.
>Superman is currently mogging a bulk of DC films from 2020 to now.
>#1 in the Box Office.
>Actually beat out Rebirth's opening.
But by all means, stamp your feet.

>>212676371
Yeah, why would we compare a Superman movie to a Superman movie? It boggles the mind.

>>212676371
>tranime pic
Sorry, but tranny opinions are not valid here.

>>212676371
>Actually beat out Rebirth's opening
If you say so

>>212676434
Superman is the biggest opening of the year.

>>212676246
>Like it is exactly the same situation. Why would I not compare it?

Because we already know what DCU films are coming next and they are NOT going to be TDK or Far From Home. The DCU slate in the next few years: Supergirl, Clayface in 2026, plans for Sgt. Rock, The Authority and Swamp Thing.

I just got off my hand because Aron Ralston off his and now he makes $25k per speech. I will tolerate the pain and hardship because I'm setting the stage for what comes next.

>>212676483
In the US only.

>>212675111
>WB is claiming that they only spent 100 million to market Superman. It's bullshit but nobody can prove it.
Probably true. Most adverts came from channels WB were affiliated with or on social media so they absolutely could have got it on the cheap.

>>212676521
Only America matters. I don't give a damn about your third world countries.

>>212676489
>he DCU slate in the next few years: Supergirl, Clayface in 2026, plans for Sgt. Rock, The Authority and Swamp Thing.

>>212676521
domestically, the most important place that nets them the biggest cut of revenue

>>212676483
No matter how many children the jews sacrifice to Moloch, Superjew is not the success WB wants it to be.

>>212675842
>forgets people in first world countries have lives

>>212676565
>America
>not third world

>>212676599
You're fooling no one, jeet. Post hand or stop embarrassing yourself.

>>212669785 (OP)
Superjew flops I win, Superman mogs Snyderman and I win again. I've positioned myself so perfectly I cannot possibly lose

>>212675259
No we dont. Troon

>>212676344
We are talking about the domestic total and domestic legs. We have been since the start. Why are you bringing up international numbers suddenly?

>>212676636
>Superman mogs Snyderman
Nah, it flops bigly

>>212676601
>>America
>>not third world

>>212676425
Because that completely ignores the context of their releases and just compares on a flat "brand" basis 12 years apart.

>>212676656
From the OP:

>96M international
>Dead in china, Europe
>This ain't going past 550-600mil

So fuck off with your "we have been talking about domestic only since the start" bullshit, you retarded jeet.

>>212676668
imagine being this insecure

>>212669785 (OP)
I think people are also just sick of the uncanny valley effect that comes with modern Hollywood capeshit CGI productions. Everything is fucking CGI, actors, sets, everything. It looks shittier every year that goes by because they outsourced their effects to fucking India of all places.

>>212676670
The context is that Superman 2025 is a fresh reboot of a supposedly hated previous version of the character, which should have boosted it.

>>212676625
When you do, I will.

>>212676425
MoS left such a massive cultural impact that people are still debating it years later. If Superjew can’t even come close to that level of influence, then it’s just another forgettable film for subhumans, self-hating poos, jews and redditfags.

>>212669785 (OP)
$1 billion global by the end of today or I eat my cum.

Test

>>212676787
>Test

>>212676656
>but-but-but saar plz do the domestic
>NOOOO BLOODY BENCHOD DO NOT REDEEM THE INTERNATIONAL GROSS
when this movie's weak ass jewperman legs give out and it flops, make sure to keep bringing up how well it did domestically on the first weekend

>>212676766
Your turn :)

>>212676695
>continues blabbering about international numbers literally no one was talking about
you even continued to mention domestic weekend drop numbers in the SAME post >>212676344

>>212676859
>IMG_
nigger

>>212676785
have your boyfriend post the video or be branded a coward forever

>>212676863
Not him, but nobody's talking about the international BO because it's fucking dead. The domestic gross is the only cope left and it's still worse than MoS.

>>212676859
Lmao, fuck no.
I just wanted to see how insecure you were.
Imagine posting your fucking hand in a capeshit thread because you were told to.

>>212676785
>I eat my cum
It's okay to eat your cum sometimes

>>212676913
LMAO, you are brown!

>>212676877
>>212676913
Lmaoooooo I knew you shitskins would cuck out.

>>212676344
>even a 50% drop-off is alarming
uh no it fucking isn't
a 50% drop for a 120 million opening would be a great result
GOTG 3, which had great legs, had a 48% drop.

>>212676938
Good boy.
Post another Ranjeet.

>>212676859

>>212676973
Holy shit the cope, this movie is not making it to 500 millions

>>212676994
based white man

>>212676859
imagine doing this

>Kill him!
>Yeah good luck with that

>>212669785 (OP)
>a reasonable performance despite having to overcome the damage snyder did to the brand
WHO TOLD YOU TO REDEEM MAAM

>>212676703
And given it's opened far above the past five DC film releases, above their totals in most cases, it appears to have indeed boosted it.

>>212676975
You shitskins are shameless. Just admit you've lost this one and move to another thread.

>>212677057
Incorrect, it's doing worse than the previous Superman movie. That's the only apples to apples comparison.

>>212677040
>Imagine taking 5 seconds to take a pic with your phone

Keep seething, subhuman. Look at the size of my hand and wrist. I could crush your pathetic 5'5 brown neck in a second.

>>212676852
why are you having a complete meltdown?

>>212677060
Post another Ranjesh
In the name of your new Superman

>>212669852
Massive cope. You jeets are so certain that this will flop like you were all certain that the RT score and audience scores would flop lmao. You'll be proven wrong again :)

>>212677134
>submits to the commands of people he thinks are brown
Very gay.

>>212677004
>50% is....le bad
>why
>...it just is ok

>>212677095
If you're a complete moron, sure.

>>212669877
NO YOU LOVE THE MOVIE GUNN IS GOD SARR

>>212677157
>>212677189
Cope more brownies. Remember that my ancestors raped your ancestors and your women dream of me.

>>212677157
WB really screwed up by hiring poos like you to promote the Superjew movie.

>>212677232
>>212677234
Reply again brown men

>>212677219
Yes, I'm a moron for comparing Superman to Superman. I clearly should have compared to fucking Blue Beetle.

>>212677203
This movie is not going to have any legs because it's not good, and Fantastic Four comes out in two weeks, it had three weeks to make at least 80% of it's gross, oh and it's a disaster internationally, this movie is not sitting above 500 millions in two weeks.

>>212677261
You subhumans are real glutton for punishment, huh? You love the white man's attention just like your women do.

>>212676973
okay illiterate-kun, I gave you too much credit and assumed you were pretending to be retarded, let me slow it down so you'll get it: >Superman
>is
>doing
>much
>worse
>overall
>than
>GoTG
>in
>its
>opening
>weekend
>so
>a
>similar
>drop
>will
>still
>see
>the
>movie
>struggling
>to
>break
>even
>given
>the
>higher
>budget
>costs
Hope this helps.

>>212677095
>you can't compare this film launching a new DC Universe to the previous DC Universe because...reasons...

>>212669785 (OP)
My favorite part of the movie was Jor-El quoting AEW when he mentioned Earth being full of CM Punks (weak mind, body and egos.)

>>212677305
You would know...

>>212677284
>This movie is not going to have any legs because it's not good
Says who?

>>212677313
Superman has outgrossed GOTG in its opening weekend.

>>212677321
>you can't compare the new Superman movie launching a new DC universe to to the old Superman movie launching a new DC universe because...reasons...

>>212677341
Anyone with a brain
Ignore all the others points too if you want, and cope, it's a flop.

>>212676904
>Muh MoS!
>Mogs Shazam 1 Opening weekend
>Mogs Shazam 2 Opening weekend
>Mogs Gun's Suicide Squad Opening weekend
>Mogs Blue Beetle Opening weekend
>Mogs Birds of Prey Opening weekend
>Mogs Aquaman 2 Opening weekend
>Mogs Wonder Woman 2 Opening weekend
>Mogs The Flash Opening weekend
>Mogs Black Adam Opening weekend
>Mogs Joker 2 in general.
And to be frank, it's also getting close to MoS opening weekend numbers.
Domestically speaking, no wonder the WB is happy.

>>212677261
>>212677338
>subhuman refuses to post his hand.
>"A-actually, you're le brown."
Why do people with shit skin like you do this so often?

>>212677338
Yes, I've fucked one of your whores. You're right. She told me how much she hated punjabi men.

>>212677406
>>212677412
>t.

>>212677277
Correct. One of the recent DC theatrical releases. Now you're getting it. Given again, Aquaman of all heroes did 1.2 billion, clearly with the right environment even a little known hero to the general public can break out.

Superman has outgrossed the last five DC releases, in fact their total grosses, in its opening weekend. That is a reversal of an extreme downward trend for the DC brand. You don't seem to really appreciate how bad the brand had fallen in the past six years. The only success its had since Aquaman 1, in 2018, was The Batman, which wasn't even in their DC universe.

>>212677387
So we're right back in a loop>>212672144

>>212677402
>Sure, it's underperforming compared to the previous Superman movie, but look here! It's doing better than a bunch of movies that bombed!

>>212677436
Or, get this, Aquaman was just better than Aquaman 2. Crazy, right?

But okay, I'll compare it to the most recent DC movie - The Batman, and The Batman did better.

>>212677358
no it hasn't, see. >>212676344
it's doing 25% worse than GoTG 3 did in ow. you can plug your ears and scream domestic all you want but it is underperforming overall and if it follows GoTG, it will struggle to break even. If it has a worse drop, it'll flop.

>>212677429
pajeetas just love the white cock, you know?

>>212677549
Okay it was fun for a while but now it's kinda lame.
We're both too stubborn and I'm trying to watch a movie right now desu.
I'm down for a good natured truce.

>>212677615
translation: I got btfo

Enjoy your break, shill.

>>212677142
just shitposting mostly, but I don't think it'll do very well at the box office regardless of quality

>>212677501
Explain why a total piece of shit like Rebirth is doing well, anon. Since all good movies do well at the box office and all bad movies don't.

>>212677666
Oh man. I didn't know you actually cared.
That's weird. Goodbye.
>666

>>212669877
Based dubs

>>212677683
Dinoslop > capeslop.

>>212677699

Gunn was a terrible idea and it was never a good idea to bank on one-trick Gen X edgy lefty fag that cant make a good movie without using the Disney sanitation manual of how to make live action adaptions.

>>212677460
>Superman is currently doing what WB wanted it to set out to do.
>Yeah, well...M-Man of Steel!

>>212678088
>Just think, past money is worth more money now so if it was in the present it would have been better!
Transcendental cope.