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Who is the best, most developed, most memorable engineer. Was it
>Chief Engineer Beard
>Engineer "I will only listen to orders from visual impaired blacks begrudginly"
>Chief Engineer Menopause
>Engineer "exploiting aliens for their magic "

I can't think of any others

the regressives got what they deserved

Argyle bros...

>>212672286
Would have been a great captain. Switch the federation with the mafia and you'd have a really interesting lead in an episodic star trek show. He has a code of honor, he tries to live by it but fails and he's constantly examining the foundations of the thing bigger than him as it relates to the reality of what's around him. Would have been amazing to see q put captain Tony on trial. I'm writing this in earnest, I expect that will be unpopular lol.

>>212672270 (OP)
>Why did you overload the Warp Core?
>I didn't saaar

>>212672550
>Tony Soprano
>code of honor
WHOOSH it went over your head

>>212672550
The crossover between Trek fans and Soprano ones is the most unreal shit ever

>>212671762
Love the scene in angel one where Tasha and Troi are making fun of Rikers boy toy outfit and Riker says "kinda seems like you're insecure that a better looking woman wants my company" and then he just walks our while Tasha and troi compute the insult, mouths agape

>>212672627
Well I actually watched your vid and I had a think about it, if you want me to be jokey
>a planet full of mulignans
>yeah I'll go down there but I ain't sending Tasha, they'll eat her alive
And he'd be right

>raped troi
>framed his father
>got away with it
>raped troi again
love this guy

>>212672782
Bumpy shit above the ear lobes is a giant red flag as far as species go in the 24th century.

Daughter of the Fifth Whore House, holder of the Sacred Chastity Belt of Rixx, heir to the Holy Cock Rings of Betazed.

>>212672669
Early Riker earned so much karmic debt that he would spend the rest of the series paying back. In short, he deserved everything that happened to him.

Guess the 'sode.

>>212672270 (OP)
Scottie and Geordi are tied IMO. I wish they had been better friends

>>212672957
not trek

>>212673069
Is there nothing more glorious than the edge of a carpet? Like an eruv, a carpet's edge marks the beginning and end of a holy space. See how the carpeted area stands alone, marking a space that cannot be intruded upon. Scotty stands in the carpet of a home, Geordi in barren wilderness. That's all it takes.

>>212672903
its a shame she had to die in the dominion war

>>212673188
Ain't no carpet in a bathroom, scotty is gonna be sticking himself back in the shuttles transporter 3 hours in the minute his replicated shepherds pie hits his colon

>>212673069
>Being the guy who got to steam clean the Ent-D carpets so they looked brand new every week.

>>212673246
>Ain't no carpet in a bathroom
Ye child

>>212672903
Clearly, the organization would be called the Federation Peace Corps, dedicated to spreading poontang across the galaxy in order to keep the men sated.

shitty ass cunt fucking thread

>>212673430
>I wish there was a way to make my bathroom constantly smell like shit and cigarette smoke
>The humble patch of carpet:

>>212673531
Just use a steam cleaner you animal

>>212673666
>satanic anon has never used a steam cleaner
that leaves the carpet damp, or didn't you see that coming

>>212657621
>>212657761
>>212657873
thanks once again, based AI anon! don't suppose you'd be willing to make t'lyn and tendi make out while beckett looks on excitedly, would you?

>>212673666
Just don't carpet the place in your house that is always going to invariably get wet

>>212673246
Where is the bathroom in that shuttlecraft and why do I think it’s that thing on the left by the door? Imagine pooping with the captain or some Vulcan cutie in there with you

>>212674183
Sonic showers.

>>212672270 (OP)
>>212673386
>how do they get anti matter in trek
They mine it from lightning on class P planets
>how is that enough for a whole starfleet
Because glacial planets are common in the galaxy
>but but how did zephran Cochrane get it
It was a thermo nuclear reaction used to create the first warp bubble.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix
Any field left to move the goalpost to lol

>>212674430
Yes please

>>212674352
Yeah it's gotta be there or under a seat. What you're talking about looks like where the shitters are housed on pontoon boats so I am in agreement

>>212674632
Once again though it seems very open, considering. You’re out there in space, it’s not like you can crack a window

In the future they've solved piss and shit

>>212674563
I still doubt they could mine enough antimatter from lightning, but at least you tried to answer the question. Thank you, "real Trek" anon.

>>212674352
imagine having to use the shuttle's toilet room after worf...who hours ago finished eating a bunch of live ga'gh

>>212672270 (OP)
Scotty>Geordi>Trip>Miles>B’elanna
Scotty cares the most and is the hardest working, Geordi went from blind helmsman to blind incel chief engineer of the flagship in less than a year(Levar Burton is also iconic in the role), Trip slept with T’Pol, O’Brien is a talented engineer but is a whipping boy in every other facet of his being, B’Elanna is less interesting Worf.

>>212674855
>I still doubt
You doubt the science fiction could actually be science fact?
Whoa anon, your takes are too spicy for this world.

>>212674956
Super based, I put Geordi over Scotty because I watched TNG as a child.

I dont see what's so great about Scotty

>>212675065
he's drunk as shit, yet still saves the day

>throw away a lifetime of advanced medical research because some crybaby bajorans made up a few stories
even the jews werent this bad

>>212675174
he's not. the one time he got drunk to "save the day" it ended up not even mattering.

>>212675065
Scotty doesn’t just like his job he’s actually in love with the enterprise. The other series engineers don’t have that level of dedication. This is one of the reasons why he ranks so high.

>>212675065
He's got a weird role imbetween being the chief engineer like in STV, where everything He's doing is fixing the ship and STVI where he is seemingly a security asset. Same with TOS, he fluctuates from security personnel to engineering depending on the episode. And it's great because scotty is great

>>212674563
one of the most important rules for TOS was not explaining how things work. you dont see john wayne explaining how a colt 45 works or Andy Griffin explain the internal combustion engine on his patrol car.

>>212675196
I just watched that one last night. Late voyager has the highs of doctor led episodes and the lows of 7 led episodes. Sure a busy girl in a tight body outfit is nice, but I prefer her to be mostly a background character. Mulgrew did nothing wrong.

>>212675312
ok I get that. I do like that about him. my issue with Scotty is his pessimism and naysaying like you can either do this impossible engineering feat or everyone will die. why waste time hedging and setting up the expectation for failure? so you don't get blamed after everyone's dead because you made sure to tell Kirk his expectations were impossible? annoys the shit out of me.

>>212675369
One of the most important TNG rules was explaining how things worked. You dont see Keanu jumping into the matrix without some exposition or Kyle Reese telling Sara conner "just trust me there's a robot trying to kill you for reasons you don't need to know"

>>212675503
all that does is make things more complicated and less believable

>>212675369
neither John Wayne nor Andy Griffith were sci-fi, nor were they in danger of being considered space-wizard fantasy

>>212675540
>ask for an explanation of trek science
>hand waive every explaination
>get science fiction explained to him like he was a child
>>when things are explained to me I lose my immersion
Skill issue goal post moving anon

>>212672270 (OP)
Hey /tv/, just throwing this out there, but with AI video and AI scriptwriters, why not just generate the rest of Star Trek: Enterprise (seasons 5, 6, and 7) and all 5 seasons of Star Trek Colombia? Would be way cheaper than actual production and honestly, the AI could probably do a better job than some of the recent stuff they've been churning out. Think about it. fully AI-generated seasons of classic sci-fi. The future is now, right?

>>212675573
Someone put time and effort into this.

>>212675631
>why not have AI make you trek slop
If I wanted trek slop I'd just watch STD

>>212675631
Because AI is worse than Rick Berman

>>212675412
He says it himself several times especially in the TNG episode, it's to make his successes that more impressive

>>212675412
Eh I think that’s more a problem stemming from the writing style. “Will Scotty pull it off? Will Captain Kirk save the day? Stay tuned to find out after a word from your sponsor.” A 60’s writers attempt at building a little suspense using the character.

>>212675312
Whenever I see the viral tweet "You should feel safe flying because the engineers who build the planes want to fuck the planes. Every time a plane crashes, someone's planewife dies." I think of Scotty.

>>212675412
>>212675869
But that happens in every Star Trek
>captain we can't do thing we'll risk blowing up
>do it anyway
>we did it
Fuck you retards

>>212675631
Why limit ourselves? Redo TNG as "Star Trek: The Nude Generation"! The less-attractive characters can be made more attractive!

>>212675631
or you could mine fanfiction for good scripts, produce them with AI, and show Paramount we don't need their woke crap

>>212676120
other engineers come up with ideas and alternatives unprompted. on TOS it's like
>Cap'n I JUST CANNAE do that! It's impossible!
>Do it Scotty or you're fired. (in reality the ship will just blow up)
>Ahhhhh I can't do it
>Then you're fired
>He does it
>yay

It's gay

>>212676236
Does Scotty ever flat out refuse to be acting Captain while Kirk takes his two besties off to some dangerous planet?

>>212676445
I agree with that anon it's not Scotty's fault it's the writers. they hadn't yet figured out that you make the engineer say that they can't pull it off unless they try some more dangerous thing, not just argue that it's impossible and that's the end of it.

>>212676236
>>212676120
>90 percent of trek stories
>hur durr we are in space
>uh oh space problem
>space problem solved
Anyone else notice that reductionism is a tool for pseuds?

>>212676617
this conversation is about how the ship's engineer reacts to seemingly impossible tasks, in a character writing aspect

>>212676236
you are full of shit kys

>>212676701
Kirk telling Scotty if he doesn't do it he's fired is fucking verbatim.

>>212676744
Quote it

>>212672270 (OP)
>Best Engineer
>Posts literal whos
Best engineer is scotty
Always will be

>>212676776
thats the joke

>>212676764
SCOTT [OC]: We'll only be able to maintain full power for sixteen hours, then we burn up for sure.
KIRK: Scotty, you're my Chief Engineer. You know everything about that ship there is to know. More than the men who designed it. If you can't get those warp engines working

[Bridge]

KIRK [OC]: You're fired.
SCOTT: I'll do everything there is to do, sir. Scott out.
[later]
SCOTT [OC]: Captain, we've pulled away a little. We gained maybe an hour, but we blew almost every system in the ship doing it.

[Bridge]

SCOTT: There's nothing left to try again. I guess you'll have to fire me, sir.

[Village]

KIRK: You're fired. Four hundred people
MCCOY: Jim
KIRK: They'll die because I couldn't see a warning sign. I had to follow orders, always orders.

>>212676879
>what is bantz
You stupid fucking autistic retard

>>212676901
>moves the goalposts
I accept your concession

>>212676925
>pretending a goalpost was ever moved
You illiterate fuck

>>212676954
I said I accept.

I'm watching First Contact and spotted this extra.
He was some kind of meme or was spammed, could someone remind me?

>>212676964
>accepted that he's an illiterate fuck full of shit
Okay.

>>212676980
https://youtu.be/hUwHyoKGZKs?si=f7j3vbPyHQK9yr6o
It's from a mister plinkett critique, yes it's a meme

>>212676983
>quote it
>ok here's the quote
>you are illiterate
I accept your confession

>>212676980
I found the spiritual successor to this meme

>>212677053
Wrong. He said he was fired if he couldn't get it to work. You claimed he would be fired if he didn't do the action. Big diff, little dick.

>>212677093
6 is best boy

>>212677145
integrity is way more than 5

>>212677177
Not if you're judging him by dominion standards, but correct

>>212677118
I fell like I'm watching a data led poker game, which is to say I'm being entertained

>>212672270 (OP)
Bearded Geordi is OP

>>212677373
Just make an episodic series about the challenger. If that fucks up the picard timeline than all the more reason to do it

>>212676980
Okay. So once you spot this guy, you can't unsee him.

He's the guy, who picard kills later saying CAPTAIN, PLEASE..

>>212677373
Honest to god, I would've loved a series that literally just reuses the sets from nemesis for the enterprise for georgi ship. 3 seasons, have an episode in season 3 that's literally just timeless from georgi perspective.

>>212676980
He's the "why is the tube with the flesh eating gas even puncturable?" guy.

>>212673217
I like to think that during the dominion war there was a bunker deep underneath San Francisco filled with very stressed zakdorns frantically pulling the plans for miraculous strategic holding actions and stalemates out of their collective asses until section 31’s plan was ready to go.

>>212679166
what are the consequences to the time/space continuum of this video clip? >>212678350 https://i.4cdn.org/tv/1752446635833567.webm

>>212679371
and when did this happen to commander troi? https://i.4cdn.org/tv/1752446860187650.webm

>>212672270 (OP)
Chief menopause

>>212678637
Where does all the poo go on a star ship?

>>212679490
They sell it to space indians

>>212679371
>>212679410
Propah slag

>>212672270 (OP)
What was his problem

time travel plots are boring

Specific genres of plots do not inherently bore me because I am not a retard

>>212679945
Odo you're actually right I misspoke. The premise, stakes and execution of this particular time travel plot bores me. There's nothing inherently wrong with the genre

>>212679793
ftm riker

>>212679913
i can i enjoy a time travel plot on the first viewing, but after that autoskip

>>212680029
for the man, riker?

>>212680091
atm*

>>212680172
automated teller machine?

>>212680091
for the man now, dog

>>212672270 (OP)
Pardon me while i play with my mercury isotope super conductors. Weeeeeee.

>planet ruled by women
>Riker fucks the shit out of their ruler almost immediately after arriving
What did they mean by this?

>>212672669
OMG NIPPLES ARE SHOWING!!!1

>>212680029
>names itself logan
Checks out

Open communications

>>212679433
men on pause

>>212672903
She's a cute

>>212672903
I love to do dirty things to old woman. Am I sick?

>>212680534
Yeah I'd let her wreck my home.

>>212680569
>Am I sick?
posting this shows some serious psyco red flags.

>>212680608
Shid...

>>212680569
>>212680534
its good to remember that gene and his wife were freakier irl than anything they could get on tv

>>212673069
Would you live like this? I'd replicate 3" GI Joes and set up battles while cruising from Port to Port. Can the replicator make weed gummies? Did I smuggle some romulan ale? At a certain point is a man without a family a bad thing?

>>212680676
>tfw at a certain point

>>212680671
People act like the sex in Nu Trek is gratuitous like Gene wouldn’t have put in even worse in S&P wasn’t holding him back.

>>212680764
Everyone knows Gene was a coomer with more bad ideas than good. We don't judge Star Trek based on what it would have been like if he had all the power he wanted.

>>212680827
Indeed. A showrunner with unlimited power and nobody to tell him No is how we got the last season of Doctor Who. And now that franchise is even more fucked than Trek.

>>212680827
i think its about 50/50

>>212680909
last 10 seasons, but also how we got bermantrek

>>212672681
Watching now

>>212675573
Surely instead of having the relieving feeling of it coming out, you instead get the cramp-like feeling of suddenly having an empty space inside you and guts closing in?

>>212680676
You mean the STTNG episode "Future Imperfect", with the space NEET that had Riker trapped in a simulation? Yeah, that didn't work out. The space NEET was glad to leave.

>>212675573
That seems like it'd be really bad for your intestines. If you ever had to crap normal again, you'd find your intestines were atrophied & you'd bust a gut.

>>212679490
It gets turned into replicator resources.

>>212681026
It's a based trek anon. Best unis

why did Dukat mention the hot Chad council member who was probably fucking his wife to Kira? is that supposed to impress her?

>>212681072
No like Scottie in Relics

>>212680676
>>212681284
well you know scotty could override any replicator rules. i dont know if he ever had any hobbies beyond drinking and whoring.

>>212681247
Probably. When you're that invested yet continually turned down you start to throw shit at the wall. More likely a pity fuck but that's better than no fuck. Does Kira make men say "yeah fuck your oppressor you little minx" or did I dream that

>>212681247
Behr's influence creeping in to make Dukat a cuck

>>212681072
If Future Imperfect aired today, everyone would screech about it being a filler episode with a copout ending.

Anyone have that spock smash gif?

>>212681539
Based, thank you

>>212681284
Oh. I doubt Scottie stayed by himself in the shuttlecraft. He probably fucked off to the planet Euphoria and resumed drinking/whoring.

>>212681483
>filler episode
>on an episodic show
Nufag alert
Nufag alert

>>212682109
I think it's pretty clear he intended to live on the ship, plus you have a warp capable shuttlecraft, you're bar hopping. The living on it is the day long cruises in between watering holes and the search for the best haggis

why is the one schizo obsessed with marina sirtis naked
we've all seen her disappointing tits already

>>212682224
this, coming from a thread that posts saucy shots of practically every female that's ever been in Trek, including grandma Janeway

>>212682173
haggis my ass, he's looking for busty red-haired lassies who want to join him for a drink or twenty

>>212682224
This is a Troi episode

>>212682980
>redhead
Scotties is banging Orion hags and everybody knows it

If Janeway doesn't excite you then I don't think you're much of a man.

>>212683667
vagina butt
https://youtu.be/L5vHkmBoHEQ?si=wMd1_jR41eXp1wC6

only arachnia

>Vulcans punish T'Pol's mother because they blame T'Pol for the incident where Andorians discovered their temple was a spying facility and T'Pol happened to be be there by coincidence

Such a logical, dignified race

>>212684183
lol this is the latter part that spock was calling them ubercunts

>>212683895
Her nasally voice is a big turnoff.

>>212684183
The Vulcan stuff in ENT is hard to watch. What the fuck did Vulcans do to Berman and Braga?

Did somebody in a Spock cosplay beat up Brannon Braga and steal his lunch money at an early convention in the 70s or something?

>>212684462
must be. the Vulcan slander just never stops. it boggles the mind. I'm curious I'd there's some kind of interview where they explain what the hell they were thinking

its all fine in the end, faith of the heart

>>212684183
you can logically argue your way into all types of terrible positions and the means can always justify the ends
something can be logical and immoral, no one said the vulcans are a moral species

>>212681353
>>212681247
I think it's a mix of: Dukat was trying to score pity with Kira, Dukat was sharing an embarassing detail to make it clear he's genuine with his actions, and Dukat making it clear he's extremely petty when he wants to be

>>212684848
go ahead and logically argue how T'Pol should shoulder the blame for P'Jem. you can't. shut up retard.

>>212684938
true, maybe. or maybe he really was just so bored of waiting and liked the sound of his own voice. Cardassians do like to talk. It can be a failing, at times.

Why is Nog so competent?

>>212685153
If you think about it, Ferengi society is very conducive to having a decent set of STEM skills.

>>212672270 (OP)
>Watching the outrageous Okona
Remember when Joe Piscopo taught Data how to be Retarded

>>212685335
>Okono
They should have brought him back just to kill him

>>212685389
>gets to hit on Terri hatcher
What a smug asshole

This is a kino episode, also Ezri a qt

>>212685531
Yeah it's kino, I can still hate the fucking characters anon

>>212685096
she was placed on that ship to control archer and help him make appropriate decisions and with respect to the monastery she failed to do so therefore her mother must have failed to install within her appropriate vulcan attributes and she should be punished for that failure
and you could probably dig up some school reports or whatever to back that, like the time she went out and left the compound to listen to jazz music
do you see how this works?

>>212685603
Post hoc rationalization for doing what you wanted to do all along is not logic and its not Vulcan. thanks for proving my point.


also whoever the anon was who said Spiner as anything but Data is off-putting campy rather than fun campy, I see it now and I agree with you.

>>212684938
>Dukat making it clear he's extremely petty when he wants to be
That's what all the dead bajoran kids say for sure

>>212685591
Who do you hate? Nog, Quark, and Schizo are kino

>>212685754
>also whoever the anon was who said Spiner as anything but Data is off-putting campy rather than fun campy, I see it now and I agree with you.

>>212685754
anon you can build a logical argument for nearly anything and if you cant concede that you are not making a good faith effort.
the problem that people have with ENT and Vulcans is that it does not agree with the idea of what a Vulcan is that they built in their head.
The truth is before ENT we had very little data on what Vulcan was really like but people took that limited set of data and constructed an idea. When the people who wrote Star Trek decided to create more stories that involve Vulcans and those stories don't fit your head-cannon that upsets you.

>>212685789
I thought you were talking about the TNG episode pre comma. Mea culpa

>>212685873
you can't build a logical argument for a premise that isn't logical or for something that is just factually not true or based in reality. Vulcans being cold and logical is not a fucking head-cannon. in ENT they're irrational and petty as fuck and its always based on prejudice and EMOTION. the writers took the one simple rule and threw it away because they're fucking hacks and couldn't write around it.

>>212686011
it wasnt a rule, it wasn't simple, it wasn't vulcans

>>212686011
Nta but when they add cannon that is retarded I just ignore it. Entire shows even, just completely omitted from my headcannon

>>212686011
>in ENT they're irrational and petty as fuck and its always based on prejudice and EMOTION.
why? because they didn't help humans with their warp program? because they always encouraged restraint and refused to advance the humans?
They were acting logically. Humans were too similar to early Vulcans. Arguably they went about it in a poor way but in the humans they saw themselves and they know that without proper emotional control the humans could end up as the Romulans or worse.

>>212686011
I agree completely. At least Manny Coto was trying to fix it by blaming it all on the Romulans. He was even going to make T'Pol half Romulan to explain her instability.

>>212686217
in the pilot Soval raises his voice and is visibly angry and Archer, as a gotcha goes
>WOW YOU SEEM MAD WHY ARE YOU YELLING? NOT VERY LOGICAL IS IT
And that tone remains throughout the show with Vulcans. It's pretty fucking retarded.

>>212686217
>>212686272
ENT era vulcans aren't far removed from early vulcans yet either. nothing has prepared them for dealing with retarded fucking archer.

>>212686272
Vulcans are not free from emotions they do lose control, maybe he was having a bad day and didn't mediate earlier.

>>212686283
They're meant to be hundreds of years removed from their unruly past. First Contact is where that got fucked up whenever they, for whatever reason, condensed the timeline with the eugenics wars and WW3 and slammed it all together into a small window. (Also co-wrote by Brannon Braga)

>>212686283
it's really more apparent in the way they deal with T'Pol and the other Vulcans. like how they literally don't research a cure for mind-rape because they think the people capable of doing it don't have the right to exist at all even though they're just born that way.

>>212686318
>hundreds of years from their unruly past
yeah, they still are. the romulans split off some hundreds of years ago and we've still got a hundred years before sarek and another hundredish before spock. neither of them were perfectly logical and had to train in a specific discipline which spock almost mastered. eventually tuvok will perfect them on screen.

>>212686348
what is the logic in research a cure for a condition that is only present in a population that practices something that is forbidden.
the truth is that they shoved it in because they wanted an episode of aids or some such nonsense
that being said it does make a utilitarian form of sense. if people are worried about contracting the disease fewer people will do the forbidden thing.

>>212686283
The mid twenty second century vulcans were in a cultural nadir where most thought society had strayed from Sarek and thus triggering the vulcan reformation

Whats the best season of TOS?

>>212686491
2

>>212686491
S1 and it isn't even close, really. First half of S2 is also largely great.

S1 of TOS is the best season of Trek of any show.

Fuck that was a kino ds9 episode

>>212685335
>Boomers pissed and shit themselves laughing at this

>>212686553
the right answer

>>212686491
idk but S3 is unarguably the worst even if you include TAS in there.

Why are you so upset, Benjamin? I hear you and Jake using that word all the time.

I would turn the holodeck into a dating sim with cat girls

>>212686011
ok, so in ENT the Vulcan didn't have Surak's complete teachings. so they naturally wouldn't behave exactly the same as Vulcans in later series. it isn't like you can't be logical and still and asshole.

rounding up every person who carried a genetic defect, that caused downies and sterilizing them is perfectly logical. it's the most efficient way to rid the genome of that defect.

The Vulcans have emotions, it's just extremely repressed. the Vulcans of ENT only had an incomplete version of Surak's teachings to guide them, where as later series had his complete teachings.

in ENT it's stated that T'Pol was contaminated because she was around humans too long, meaning she's becoming more emotional. this was before her trellium D doping. so being around more emotional species can weaken their emotional control, well at least before they had Surak's complete teachings.

>>212686723
You're not wrong but it was stupid and a retcon

>>212686723
>ok, so in ENT the Vulcan didn't have Surak's complete teachings. so they naturally wouldn't behave exactly the same as Vulcans in later series
they retconned this in ENT, though, so they could write this terrible story

They changed all of this which is what people are mad about. It's an unneeded clarification that changes how Vulcans are perceived, kind of like the genetic engineering shit to try and explain the Klingon appearance, the augment story that was also crap. Just something nobody asked for that ultimately added nothing.

>>212683693
Why not both?

>>212686758
>>212686768
it cant be both a clarification and a retcon, it's certainly dumber than the original intent but its also fine in the end. theres smarter people who do dumber shit in TOS and TNG but they dont have faith of the heart to guide them.

>>212686723
>watsonian excuses for doylist complaint
shove em up your ass.

>>212686768
>they retconned this in ENT, though, so they could write this terrible story
its not a retcon
previously no story existed about this time and the writers of ENT created a story. you don't like that story because it conflicts with your head cannon

>>212686553
>>212686521
>>212686601
Should I get a blueray version of this?

>>212686804
>>212686817
>headcannon
It's not headcannon, Vulcans were portrayed as an ultra civilized race that had already conquered all of the demons that plague humanity. They were a race of peaceful, intelligent diplomats.

I go by the performances of Leonard Nimoy (who is more Vulcan than any Vulcan on ENT times a billion despite pointedly playing a half-Vulcan character and embedding it in his performance) and Mark Leonard in TOS.
That is what Vulcans are.
ENT retconned them, I don't care what you say. Just because it's a prequel and "no story existed" in this giant space doesn't explain away something totally out-of-character for the species being inserted into that space.

That's like saying Discovery doesn't have any retcons just because no Star Trek story had technically occupied that spot in the timeline. It's the same kind of logic that allows for the sort of lore-raping that happens in Nu trek.

>>212686880
I got a bluray and it has popup commentary you can turn on during the episodes. it's neat

>>212686880
i mean it doesn't matter what format you get the "remastering" damage was done with the cgi shit a long time ago. its still perfectly fine otherwise.

>>212686911
that does sound awesome

>>212686906
>I go by the performances of Leonard Nimoy (who is more Vulcan than any Vulcan on ENT times a billion despite pointedly playing a half-Vulcan character and embedding it in his performance) and Mark Leonard in TOS.
>That is what Vulcans are.
hear hear. that's what I'm judging Ent Vulcans based on too. their portrayals are why I liked Vulcans at all.

>>212686786
nice. i kek'd

Maybe they're more logical

>>212686959
unironically tuvok is a better vulcan than spock. but you can measure anything by a mark leonard performance because he's just the absolute best.

>>212685754
Nah Spinner is in an Outer Limits episode and its kino. Its about an evil race of lizard people control the earth and humans are kept as slaves called (((jolem)))

>>212686984
Tuvok should be a better Vulcan than Spock, he's a full-blooded Vulcan. But he's a career Starfleet officer who is only a Lt. Commander after being in Starfleet for like 30 years, whereas Spock's unique experience and insights being half-Vulcan have led to him to become an admiral multiple times and one of the most honored legendary ambassadors in Federation history.

Tuvok might be the perfect Vulcan but him being that also showcases their limitations.
He's how Vulcans should be portrayed on Enterprise, not like Soval and T'pol who are basically Romulans in their behavior half the time.

>>212686984
well I look forward to my VOY watching then to see if I agree.

>>212686906
Nta I agree with you that Vulcans in ENT do retcon the previous archetype, but I’ve always liked how the play as a foil to humanity in that show. It’s certainly a new take on Vulcans, but I don’t think it completely destroyed the canon. How would you fix? Portray the Vulcans from the start I mean, not the Romulan excuse they were coming up with.

>>212687046
yeah, tuvok's backstory gets a lot of love to explain him but the purest vulcans are NOT a perfect match for the star fleet and that shows in lots of places. I like that a lot.

>>212687068
well dont go crazy with it. VOY is more of an ensemble show than TNG. lots of reasons for why you can never predict the level of quality of an episode.

wait Mark Lenard was also like one of the best Romulans too. ironic

>>212686906
Discovery is a whole other issue.
TNG-ENT form for me a cohesive whole and you had many of the same writers working on all the shows.
With Stark Trek you have TOS and then you have TNG-ENT and then you have what is happening now.
I suppose you can make arrangements that Star Trek is really only TOS and there is some validity to that or Star Trek is really only what Roddenberry had a hand in or whatever.
>Just because it's a prequel and "no story existed" in this giant space doesn't explain away something totally out-of-character for the species being inserted into that space.
With the way you are approaching things you can't really do any interesting stories on Vulcan. They are in your mind fixed from the point of Surak onward.
I rather like the idea of a human helping the Vulcans discover their past as it helps bring the two species together, but if you don't enjoy the story well ok, but given at the end of ENT the Vulcans end up at the place they need to be for TOS or TNG to me means no real harm. At worst its an unnecessary story.

>>212687177
did a klang once too iirc, he was the jeffrey combs of his era.

>>212687170
It shows with Spock as well when he achieves kolinahr but in the end it's a hindrance for him and hurts him as an officer.
>>212687208
>With the way you are approaching things you can't really do any interesting stories on Vulcan. They are in your mind fixed from the point of Surak onward.
Absolutely not. This is the Superman writer fallacy all over again
>Superman is not interesting because his morality is fixed and he's nearly invulnerable, so he must be altered to become interesting
Bad writers who want to turn Superman into Batman -- same thing as wanting to turn Vulcans into non-Vulcans to make them compelling just because you personally don't find them to be.

Vulcans are what they are. Leave them as Roddenberry and Gene Coon intended and if they don't work for the story you want to tell, write something else. Don't try to square peg/round hole it, particularly with one of the most beloved races in the lore.

TNG is above and beyond the best Trek ever created, in addition to being one of the greatest science fiction shows ever created. DS9 comes close but still doesn't reach the same highs.

>>212686939
Bluray lets you choose between cgi or not.

>>212687307
I agree. Well said

>>212687307
VOY reaches the same highs as TNG but oh brother dem lows

>>212687278
>Leave them as Roddenberry and Gene Coon intended.
I agree with this to a point. What do you think TNG would’ve looked like if Roddenberry was alive, cognizant and involved all the way through. Probably a pretty different show.

>>212687307
I think almost every Trek show has at least a handful of episodes that are top, top tier. Just to name a couple of the level I'm talking about which come immediately to mind, no particular order or ranking
>TOS
>Balance of Terror, City on the Edge of Forever
>TNG
>The Defector, Best of Both Worlds
>DS9
>Duet, In the Pale Moonlight
>VOY
>Living Witness, Timeless
I'm not sure about Enterprise but I'm not the most qualified on that show, maybe another anon could add a couple.

>>212687570
Completely different but Gene was stroked out and high on his own kool-aid by 1987, a completely different man than the guy who was working on TOS.

It's the two Genes working in concert in their primes that made Vulcans what they are and I think that should be left alone. I also think it's largely why they weren't used in TNG.

>>212687580
The best Enterprise episodes are the ones where they just explore and the story doesn't get up it's own ass with trek cannon. I really like the one where they find that automated repair station and uncover a mystery

>>212687636
The repair station episode is kino but i am a sucker for the episodes that featured traditional races like the andorians, vulcans, tellarites. It is one of the reasons that while I like VOY I don't like it as much as DS9 or TNG. I care about the quadrant of the galaxy the federation occupies and love stories that deal with those "local" issues.
Those race of the week Voyager episodes I cared very little about and even less because as Voyager moved the chances of encountering the same race again lessened.
I mean you did have a few recurring races but they were never as good as those from previous series.

>>212687832
>The repair station episode is kino but i am a sucker for the episodes that featured traditional races like the andorians, vulcans, tellarites
I wish they were actually in the show more. I feel kinda let down. I didn't know going in that Enterprise basically takes place in what might as well be another dimension dealing with brand new aliens.

The internet is for prey.

>>212687580
Maybe not top top tier, but I’ve always been a fan of Enterprise’s mirror universe episode. In a Mirror, Darkly. Everything, but the cgi Gorn is pretty good. It’s just them doing a fun stand alone episode. I don’t prefer it over Mirror, Mirror, but I do like it better than the DS9 mirror universe episodes.

>>212687974
The first DS9 mirror episode is good but they get worse with every addition

>>212687931
The episode with the princess and tripp featured the same planet as the one girl that fell in love with Picard and bonded with him instead of who she was supposed to was a great little addition to the lore.
i am sure there were more times that i missed but even integrating those little one off stories from TNG I thought was great.

>>212687832
Andorian episodes where great, true. Also, thanks for reminding me how much I hated the kazon from voyager. Every episode with the kazon is so fucking dumb

>>212688060
I love the Andorians, best part of ENT. Unfortunately most of their episodes are paired with Vulcans acting like retarded cold war commies so it's pretty distracting if you hate that.

>>212687307
Based

Best episode of each season of Berman Trek

TNG
>Skin of Evil
>Elementary, Dear Data
>The Best of Both Worlds
>The Drumhead
>Darmok
>Chain of Command
>The Pegasus

DS9
>Duet
>The Wire
>Past Tense
>The Visitor
>Trials and Tribble-ations
>In the Pale Moonlight
>What You Leave Behind

VOY
>Phage
>Death Wish
>Scorpion
>Living Witness
>Timeless
>The Voyager Conspiracy
>Repentance

ENT
>The Andorian Incident
>Carbon Creek
>Similitude
>In a Mirror, Darkly

>>212687832
the VOY races that DO recur and are awesome (vidiians) are then immediately dropped and forgotten by next season. at least they casually shiggy'd them out offscreen i guess.

>>212688180
I liked those episodes. I didn't like the
>Well hello pinkskin, surprised to see me?
appearances. They felt farfetched.

Overall Andorians come across as too normal and too much of "good guys" or something. Haven't finished the series though I guess my mind could change. I'll tell you what though the antennae are fucking cute. I hope whoever decided they should be able to move around got a raise

So what where they smoking when they wrote the episode Threshold?

>>212688311
The finest pipeweed in Middle-Earth

>>212688270
Not a bad list but I'm less high on Skin of Evil, Elementary, and Drumhead than you for sure.
>>212688311
Joe Menosky was always a high concept science fiction episode guy which means he's got some hits and some bad misses