Thread 212692966

Half-assed edition

>>212692966 (OP)
dont make me post it

The death of Ziyal which I just watched, it gets me every time. She was such a positive character.

>>212692966 (OP)
yeah I got distracted and let the thread die

How can the Ferengi ever hope to compete?

>>212693022
I forgive you

>>212693146
me every time i wake up after a two hour nap

shitty ass cunt fucking thread

>>212693060
Those brain augments take years. Propaganda

>>212693387
Based, now THAT is a real /trek/ classic post

>>212693022
>Miles, why did you let the thread die?
>Miles, why don't you like my cooking?
>Miles, why are you a lower rank than Nog?
>Miles, why did you lose Molly in a time warp?
>Miles, why aren't you attratcted to my 12 year old body?

>>212693490
I always feel a little worse for Tom Paris. Imagine having a spicy latina Klingon wife bitching at you.

>>212693060
I hate Nagilum

Lot of jewish people in this show. Wonder why that is

>>212694828
name 2 (hundred)

Da Vinci's holodeck space is maximum cozy

>>212693510
spicy latin bitching is actually just foreplay, it either breaks into a (mutual) fist/knife fight or hot sex.

Go ahead and get your eunuch jannies involved I'm just going to post kissies based in the Star Trek universe

>>212695689
okay, i can get behind this.

>>212695719
I made hundreds of these can post all night

>>212695674
Shit like this is why everyone hates ai

>>212695798
well they're mostly shit, you wasted a lot of time.

>>212695799
>>212695814
don't care

>>212695689
Excellent choice. I remember her she was such a cute

>>212695798
So far there's been one good one. I'm very disappointed you didn't work on >>212695674 until it was good.

>>212695852
fast food anon, in and out don't have time to make it perfect a lot of these were made with the last gen model

So Kathy Geiss has taken over Paramount?

>>212695970
Neex would never kiss a hag

these are all extremely pathetic failures except the random ass swaps

>>212696307
don't care

>>212696065
Didnt need to see that

>>212696327
you should be trying to make good things and not bad things

>>212696333
no

>>212696327
Just as bad as last time you posted but also not trek

>>212696353
don't care

I just watched the first star trek movie, first time in probably 20 years fuck me what an epic piece of shit it was, its amazing it didnt tank the franchise in perpetuity.

>>212696534
Hank Hill?

>>212696575
clearly the asses come from starved runway models

>>212696619
kinda like lizard eyebrow tattoo

>>212695861
>>212695885
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>>212695651
>>212695689
Looks like someone has a case of the mondAIs

>>212696654
goddamn tom paris loom funny in this

>>212696654
Damn, look at those milky white tiddies.

BaZINGa!

Martoks wife is fucking unbelievably based.

>>212695621
>>212695636
>>212695651
>>212695674
>>212695689
i love version 0 of the holodeck

>>212695736
>>212695798
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>>212695885
>>212695903
trying to imagine the non-turbo-virgin objection to these...

>>212698290
>sleepy jean luc
oh what could it mean luc
for a daydream believer luc
and a homecoming queen luc

>>212694647
He's just beta Q

>>212698528
Alpha Q reporting

>>212698528
instead of lame ai I'd like to see a happy trekpu inserted into angel one

>>212693060
He saw this.

>>212698576
>computer, is this real?

greatest thread ever! any chance of an AI video of t'lyn and tendi disrobing & kissing as beckett looks on with excitement?

>>212698660
he said trekpu thats just regular apu

>>212698660
Extremely low effort, I applaud you

>>212698749
it's not even an apu either

>>212698630
That's just a clip from the episode.

>>212699040
lol your right, absolute minimum effort >>212699019

Trek is back!

This week Star Trek: Strange New Worlds returns with an all new S03:. First up:

301 'Hegemony' (Part 2): Pike leads a risky rescue behind enemy lines as the landing party flees a deadly enemy.

302 'Wedding Bell Blues': At a Federation celebration, an uninvited guest disrupts Spock and the crew's reflections.

This Thu, July 17 on The Plus.

i have reached the Augments arc of ENT and this shit is so boring. so was the alien Nazi arc. they squandered this season so bad so far.

>>212699412
well, the nazi arc was not the best attempt but the gangsters are fun.

>>212699412
at least you've got spiner hamming it up

>>212699518
i liked Phlox's friend Dr. Lucas refusing to give the code and having to watch that guy die.

>>212699595
relics is decent the rest is trash

>>212699595
>relics
Off you go old man

>>212696563
haha turbovirgin btfo'd. best video ever

>>212699061
not with t'lyn and tendi! they're my biggest LD waifus. please, mr. based AI anon, please! i deeply appreciate everything you've posted to this thread, and have saved it all!

>>212699595
Classic Berman coomtrek

I've noticed that it's right at the start of S3 (production-wise The Chute is the first episode) where Bob Picardo's performance as the EMH changes. He's more upbeat and cheerful and consistent with the rest of the series.

More original Trek AI ploz

>>212699273
>At a Federation celebration, an uninvited guest disrupts Spock and the crew's reflections.
It's gonna be Sybok I bet. And if it is that's a good thing because the difference from TFF means that SNW is in a different universe where PADDs are beveled 3.8% differently

>The Plus
This post is advertising and/or begging.

>>212700353
we already know its a different universe because the ship looks nothing like tos enterprise. the show didnt make a few minor upgrades to account for current year technology. they completely redesigned the interior

>>212700515
One of the headcanon things I have is that Star Trek is a holographic reconstruction of found logs. Similar to how LOTR is ostensibly a translation of the Red Book of Westmarch. This is backed up by the fact that episodes are bookended by log narrations and we have seen an in-show example with the ENT finale.
SO
the difference in tech (das blinkenlights vs CRT okudagrams vs etc etc.) boil down to the holodeck using *its own universal translator* to translate the design metaphor to something understandable by the viewing audience.
It's silly but it makes everything more consistent for completionists.
My point wrt SNW being different is based on narrative difference (Sybok being known to Spock, T'Pring having contact with Spock between betrothal and Amok Time, etc.) versus design elements which could be explained as above

>>212700781
taking that to its logical conclusion real trek is based on the logs and nu-trek is a fictional story in the way people write alt history or "inspired by" type stories

>>212700823
As valid a headcanon as any. I happen to like SNW but tonally it's not the same as TOS so I compartmentalize them into different buckets. I also feel that way between TOS and TNG, TNG and DS9, etc. I basically treat each show like its own slightly different continuity like a Tenchi Muyo spinoff and I don't lose any sleep over whether this or that is "real trek." A pug is a dog. A St. Bernard is a dog. They don't do the same things.

>>212700947
i bet you think trans women are women too

>>212700823
nushit is literally written by the people who used to write tumblr degen stories

>>212701247
exactly my point

>the m- I mean the Federation Council punishes YOU for pointing out posts that are clearly Ferengi advertisements instead of doing their job
I don't get it.

>>212700996
I also think hot dogs are dogs and walk mine with ketchup

>>212699834
>Federation only knows spandex jumpsuits
>Federation regulations only allow 1 slut in an extra tight jumpsuit per show
>Ferengi homeworld strictly enforces cmnf casual nudity
>off-world Ferengi get to dress women any way they want
Overall the Ferengi are the more enlightened race

>ctrl + f "Gul Dukat did"
>0 results
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.

>>212700168
Spinner figures data out in 3 too

>>212700781
except snw does stuff like using magic hyposprays to temporarily change genetics for covert away missions when its indisputable canon that they used traditional cosmetics through voyager.
thats not a minor reinterpretation, its a completely different concept. (lady quark doesnt count because ferengi are gender flexible frogs)

>>212701247
Except for the best one

>>212701828
its pretty much the case with all of them except TOS of course, the cast gells much better and interacts much more naturally with each other in s3 once they've really gotten the feel for their characters, even with TOS s1 might have more great eps but its season 2 where kirk spock and mccoy really nail the dynamic

>>212701866
>except snw does stuff like using magic hyposprays to temporarily change genetics for covert away missions when its indisputable canon that they used traditional cosmetics through voyager.
that is a narrative difference and +1 evidential point that it is a separate continuity

>>212701828
Stewart with Picard as well. First two seasons he's a stuffy hardass. S3 on he's still authoritative but much gentler.

>>212701450
>a ferengi
>dressing a woman
Not how it works anon

>>212701915
tos-ent is consistent on this matter. only nutrek is different because its a different universe.

>>212701885
this looks like a vladimir putin fanfic not a brent spiner one lmao

>>212702152
thats google >>212701954 is wikipedia

>>212701917
all 3 seasons he is trash. worst performance of his career. and now he has a reputation for inserting himself in the writing so stewart will never get any real work again

>>212702155
ENT had flat screens and TOS had slide projectors and blinkenlights.

>>212702152
>pacified the planet
can't be a war crime if the war was over

>>212702198
I meant TNG.

BOY I SURE WOULD LOVE SOME HOT OUT THE FRYER CRISPY CATFISH LAWD HELP ME
WITH SOME HUSH PUPPIES AND CRINKLE FRIES
MAYBE A LIL COLESLAW AND POTATO SALAD AND SOME BEANS
YESSIR

>>212702198
>and now he has a reputation for inserting himself in the writing so stewart will never get any real work again
he is 86 years old with a wife half his age and enough money that he doesn't need to work again
this is the real reason he did Picard, to get just enough to keep his wife slobbing his knob until he dies from cardiac arrest
between x-men, american dad, star trek residuals he never needs to work again

>>212702162
Thats becausd Vladimir Putin figures heavily into the love affair between Gail, Brent Spinner and Brent Spinner's vagina butt.

>>212702270
Fake Floridian bullshit written by a Californian Jew

>>212702270
>be Vulcan woman
>bring your human bf back home to meet your mother
>she immediately objects and calls you a whore

>>212702270
>he's supposed to be from Florida

>>212702320
but trip is from florida
>>212702331
he must be panhandle floridian

>>212702270
>no hot sauce
Who writes this shit

>>212699669
>poops on the bench

>>212702381
>he must be panhandle floridian
nope, he said his folks were in the "north" so probably Jacksonville or something

>>212700781
So basically the last episode of Ent?

>neat use of roddenberry's notes
>horrible execution and production of those notes
its fun to see these ideas of "what if the federation fell in the far future" and "what if humanity split apart" and "what if rapebats tried to conquer the galaxy"
but then it spins out of control so fucking hard

>ENT uses 2000s monitors for computer terminals instead of backlit paper slides like TOS
>this somehow justifies SNW being a complete TOS reimagining while simultaneously telling us that nothing has changed

>>212702497
Kevin Sorbo was possibly the worst choice conceivable for that role. I like him, I loved him in Hercules, an actor he is not

>>212702497
first few episodes are ok, the concept of the last starfleet captain on the last starship in a far future where their is only war is a good one, ut it quickly became lazy contrived and stupid

>>212702497
Everything about that show was ugly and empty. I guess the budget was way too low, the aesthetics remind me of other insanely low budget shows like Cleopatra 2525.

>>212702497
i never got into that one but i fucking love EFC

Threats are illogical. And payment is often expensive.

>>212702437
Jacksonville is the Capitol of panhandle culture

>>212702553
*spinning chest kicks u*
i'd agree tbqh, he doesnt quite succeed at playing a believable space captain he makes too many idiotic choices and later in the show he becomes straight up lawful stupid
>>212702587
first episode is arguably the best, they should have leaned into the lost artifacts/spaceships angle more in the beginning
that is one thing i enjoyed about andromeda, the sense of history and progression of things as opposed to trek which is stagnant
>>212702646
cleopatra 2525 had the grace of not taking itself too seriously
andromeda bounced back and forth on that, sometimes they tried for grimdark and it didnt quite land then theyd do something lighthearted and it felt off
>>212702695
its worth a go if you need another scifi to watch but the quality varies wildly, and the last seasons drop quality hard
the characters are all likeable and the premise is good, but the episode by episode can be rough

>>212702796
I wouldn't even say its arguable the first episode is the best the setup is great the execution going forward is dogshit

>>212701399
It is rather curious that the Council always shields Ferengi peddlers and you're not allowed to complain about it.

>>212701866

> indisputable canon that they used traditional cosmetics!

Actually, the extensive use of altered physical appearance in Old Trek, and that wheezy gimmick is used a lot, is done primarily thru magic "cosmetic surgery", that can miraculously transform characters to appear as different species almost instantly. So, there really is no difference with a magic hypo hypo spray. It's all hand waving so the plot can happen.

However, if an autistic must have a justification, Chapel is a genetics expert and her hypos experimental.

>>212702984
cosmetic surgery is not a magic hypospray you can stop being retarded any time you'd like

CLEOPATRA TWENTY FIVE TWENTY FIVE
THREE WOMEN WITH THE WILL TO SURVIVE

>>212703095
i believe that you may be the retard for replying good buddy.

real shame about jack of all trades.

>>212703157
photon torpeedos, full spread
target their cache of HRT pills in the aft cargo bay

>>212703095
>cosmetic surgery is not a magic hypospray
Science fiction is an extrapolation of current-day technological capabilities into things we would consider impossible or fantastical
Epigenetics and forcing expression through knockout viruses was not a thing in the 60s.
It was something within the realm of theory by the time TNG had Genesis (the Barclay spider episode)
We now have some limited practical applications hence the increased use of it in SNW etc.
This is not a defense or lambasting of any of the shows i've mentioned. You cannot, however, have the science fiction remain ossified in any one period (real-life period, not show chronology). Even TNG went a step beyond where TOS did.

>>212703095

If Troi can be magically be transformed into a believable Romulan while taking a nap, there is no meaningful distinction.

>>212703235
she just had bumps glued to her forehead, her whole physiology was not changed

>>212703235
yes their is last (you) faggot

the whole point is they won't admit that nutrek is a reboot and they try to make up bullshit to try and fit it in
and when that fails they just go OLD TREK WAS STUPID
it makes you wonder how they're even fans

>>212703382
its all jjverse so who even cares? fuck that garbage.

>>212703382
they aren't fans they prove it every time they post

>>212702974
>have I mentioned the holosuite discount for new council members? What’s that? Did I delete your, let’s just say somewhat questionable program logs? Well of course, hahaha. Your secrets are safe with me Mr. President. Have another drink, on the house

Posting about nutrek negatively is still posting about nutrek

Fuck off kligger

>>212703287

> she just had bumps glued to her forehead! *cries*

Gatekeepers that don't even know what a gate looks like. *shakes head sadly*

>>212703235
Keep in mind these drastic changes in appearance were successfully done in the late 20th century using simple makeup and prosthetics

>>212703382
>they just go OLD TREK WAS STUPID
It's a zoomie tell, you don't like zendeya, actually Kirsten Dunst was ugly. Don't like Nutrek schlock, actually TNG was bad. It's never a counter about how the new thing is food or redeeming, it's just shitting on the past to say "everything is garbage so we are the same"

>>212703528
Fuck off ClingingMars

>>212703589
it's also discord fags fishing for (You)s, they make their rounds at least once a day

Rent free

>>212703683
Agreed. Better topic, did max headroom kill daniels?

>>212703773
god i hope so, matt frewer is a hero either way

>>212703773
Does Max Headroom hold up? I haven’t thought about that shit in decades

Picard has been a meme longer than spammer tranny has been alive

Clip from this week's new Trek episode SNW S03E02:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI8GEHbOoMY

"You can pinpoint the exact moment Spock's heart breaks."

>>212703773
I don't think so, the time pod was from the 26th century while Daniels' level of tech is from the 31st

>>212703773
yes

>>212703701
>Michael McKean in /trek/
>saved
Look for this image in the next Jimmy vs Chuck slapfight bcs thread because I'm gonna be there too.
>>212700221
>the only thing I can do is drive a shuttlecraft right into the superweapons maw
Why didn't decker do that in the first place if he thought it would work?

Daniels could have been a cool character if they cast someone who could bring a charisma or charm or mystique or something and not a balding dweeb

>>212703952
Captain Decker was based beyond belief

>>212703851
the tv show is really great, rip sheppard. the live tv specials hosted by max headroom are pretty okay too. its really amazing to think about how fucking popular that tv screen face was.

>>212703927
Fair but an anon can hope

>>212703956
time-zucc was a terrible cast but also time travel is boring garbage anyway.

>>212703927
i vaguely remember a STO storyline about rescuing daniels' capsule and burying it somewhere to be found later on....?

>>212703952
because he was trying to save his crew and his ship

>>212703927
I thought it was buster from Arrested Development the first time I saw him

>>212703956
i almost dropped ENT because of how bad the time travel shit in S1 was
ive always hated trek time travel episodes, 9/10 of them are shit (with the one good one being the DS9 tribble adventures)

>>212704195
yeah the ds9 back to the future 2 is great for lots of reasos. ENT time eps gave me one good memorable scene.

>>212704195
>S1
man, it doesn't get any better. this show had a really good premise i dunno how it became such a mess. they had no good ideas for overarching stories. so just make it episodic then? why not?

>>212704113
If he wanted to save his ship and crew he should have just flow a shuttle into the Doomsday machine in the first place

>>212704063
if iirc he is insane an amalgam of various Daniels that tried to reintergrate but couldn't kinda like Braxton, he's the villian, it was really dumb like all sto story lines are

>>212693082
lmao.

>>212703823
He was also great in Supernatural and the Librarians

>>212704263
I disagree. I think the premise of ENT is the problem, it being a prequel.

Consider this: the best episodes of ENT have nothing to do with it being a prequel, or the timeline, or any of its convoluted serialized storylines.
The best ENT episodes are on-offs that more or less could've happened on any other Star Trek show. That's an indictment of ENT's premise in itself.

>>212704285
he hadn't gotten to that point yet, its not like Kirk would've immediately jumped in a shuttle either, after much trial and error it was the only solution

>>212704227
i forgot about that
honestly my favorite moment from all of season 1 is when they find the giant space station made up of thousands of modular ships that the chameleon enemy of the season flew (those guys were cool and they never used them again)
that felt like good ol school trek, a big neat enemy with big neat stuff and wacky enough powers to make them dangerous
>>212704263
when they did make it episodic a few times it came out better than the 2-3 parters
the best ENT episode that comes to mind what the cum-snot beast that tries to digest a bunch of thhe crew

>>212704352
The story of the very FIRST ship, crew and captain to embark on the mission of Trek is a good premise. They could have done a bunch of angles but they went with time travel in some made-up region of space they pulled out of their ass.

>>212704327
i dont remember him in either of those things but they sound very much up his alley, i remember eureka.

>>212704380
the HELIX. pretty cool. honestly the suliban everything felt more star warsy to me but its pretty okay.

>>212704400
>The story of the very FIRST ship, crew and captain to embark on the mission of Trek is a good premise
I don't think so. I think it's way too much like TOS' 5 year mission which was sort of implied to be Starfleet's first real deep space exploration mission of its kind.

>>212704352
Somewhat agree. The prequel thing is hit and miss but they had to set the stage as a ST show somehow. It was fine

>>212704352
Pretty based nonanon. They should have rewatched Undiscovered Country, pointed out all the aliens without backstreet and said
>Yeah well do one on Eric fireman's dad's race
>I don't know what that thing is let's do that
And then some first romulan war shit, early klingon encounters. All the time travel shit gummed it up and made a crew of fumbling first timers into inscritible God figures for the federation. Berman really fell in love with his Cochran characterization from first contact.

>>212704462
Yeah but half of TOS and TNG is going where no one has gone before ... to rescue the other starfleet vessel that was already there

>>212704400
its not an asspull. its 6 years after first contact and premeired less than a year after voyager ended. time travel was a core plot device.

>>212704555
kek that is true, anon
checked

>>212704462
while I general will not respond to tripfag your ok so, the premise can work, some of the best episodes of Ent are when they are working out new tech like transporters and torpedoes, they encounter replicators for the first time and are shocked, a ship going above warp 7 is amazing to them etc. the execution was not good but the idea was. By the time of Kirk they were comfortable with their tech with the state of the quadrant, essentially they knew the score, a story about the first starfleet ship before it was even called starfleet feeling their way among the cosmos trying to do the right thing and not quite sure what that even means. You have a lot to play with there.

>>212704462
>I don't think so. I think it's way too much like TOS' 5 year mission which was sort of implied to be Starfleet's first real deep space exploration mission of its kind.
It didn't need to be in deep space. It should have been about the Federation races in Federation space. They had Tellarites and Andorians and Vulcans and barely used them. The stuff they set up at the beginning of the show with the conflict between Vulcans and Andorians was actually interesting. Humans discovering stuff for the first time that other races may have already found done and bringing our basedness into the situation to solve problems they hadn't be able to solve, even though we're the newbie underdogs. That kind of thing. Don't act like there don't exist any good ideas for stories unless it was exactly like TOS.

>>212704608
To me the stupid part was making it a prequel that was over reliant on whatever stupid shit that was recently made cannon by things like the movies. Time travel is always the laziest sort of writing and it shows. It was unnecessary and stated the whole thing off on a bad foot, and don’t even get me started about that theme song

>>212704633
they did exactly that for most of 4 seasons. even the time travel stuff was used highlight the conflict between vulcans and humans

>>212704628
Forgive the trip, anon. It's just for the cartoon trannies. I posted with it off for like 3 years straight but they kept talking about me by name so I figured I'd make them seethe if they were just going to do it anyway.
And yeah I agree that there's a lot you CAN do with a prequel, I guess my whole argument is just: why would you.
I don't think it was a good idea and there is plenty to do in a post-VOY timeline.

I just think Star Trek needs to constantly be about the future, about pushing forward. When you start focusing on its lore and its past too much, you're starting down the wrong path. It's a very forward projecting franchise and I think a lot of people like that and kind of resent being forced to step back.

>>212703956
The casting in ENT wasn't as good as the previous shows unless they were reusing an actor (Gary Graham, Randy Oglesby, Jeffrey Combs)

>>212704690
they only brought in andorians near the end and barely had tellirites at all, the 4 founder races should've been the focus, the time travel nonsense was crap

>>212704690
no what happened is you have Daniels appearing to Archer in visions to tell him he's space Jesus and that these races that have barely had any presence in the show are one day in the future going to magically form the Federation while most of the show is taking place in the Expanse. it's shit. you don't see it taking place you see characters telling Archer it's going to occur by magic if only he survives.

>>212704623
>it's all a big nothing captain. In the end you die in your own arms.

>>212704684
there isnt very much time travel, though. less than ds9 and voy. they just talk about it a lot. and its somewhat neccessary. without someone from the future fucking with the timeline theres no reason to take any threats to the pre-federation seriously because we already know tos-voy happened. with time travel tos-voy is at risk of being erased and thats dramatic.

>>212704734
>Voyager had good casting

>>212704736
>they only brought in andorians near the end
the 7th episode of the first season

>>212704690
the andorians are there from the begining. the tellerites were brought in too late and wasted.

>>212704734
you know what was insane was they had that awesome episode with JG Hertzler where he's Archer's lawyer and ends up in the penal colony and then later he's a different Klingon ship captain like we wouldn't notice

>>212704708
I think they had just run out of steam at that point, 9/11 also really fucked them. A hopeful optimistic series about the first "starfleet" ship could definitely have worked imo, first encounter with the andorians first encounter with the telliraites, the romulan war etc. it just wasn't done well. From the first ep the temporal war was built into the fabric of the show and that was a mistake, just play it straight.

>>212704737
less than 1 season takes place in the expanse. most of the series is archer arguing with tpol until they both learn that they werw wrong.

>>212704819
Kate Mulgrew, Tim Russ, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, and Jeri Ryan were all good casting.
ENT in the main cast has... John Billingsley I guess?

>>212704833
>>212704840
you know what I mean come on, they were barely a thing until combs, I mean make them the focus

>>212704804
I can’t really disagree. I guess it does potentially take a lot of drama away just by being a prequel and the audience knowing that everything works out in the end, but that never really bothered me. Certainly all the shows did time travel stuff at some point, but it was somehow considered obligatory by the writers so they could retcon at will right from the start, which is lazy. At the end of the day, I still like Ent and wish it’d run longer

>>212704866
we're supposed to notice, everyone loves him

>>212704734
VOY and ENT have the most forgettable side characters. But people know janeway, you could ask 10 people on the street if they remember the girl captain or the borg girls ass and 1 or 2 might know. ENT lacked any crossover pop culture character ... so did deep space nine but trek knowers understand that cast is very fleshed out, maybe even surpassing TNG levels.

>>212704819
based troll actor

Andorians should have been the antagonists that come around in the end, begrudgingly after humans teach them that being violent freaks won't be tolerated. in ENT the Vulcans are so disgusting that you want to side with the Andorians who have cute nice Jeffrey Combs trying to do the right thing.

>>212698497
the 60s had the worst hair of any decade and its not even close

>>212704804
the main conflict is fighting a time traveling race, actual time travel by the crew is not the issue, the issue is the primary conflict

>>212704975
>>212704930
VOY and ENT both had pretty great casting but half the characters were so wasted you could forget they even exist. I would say that Bakula is terribly miscast but the whole series revolves around him being space jesus so maybe he's playing exactly as requested and its just insane to human beings.

>>212704930
Kate mulgrew and Robert Picardo stand out. Ethan Phillips does really well with his very offputting character. Tim Russ got to play a vulcan, unless you have a giant penis you are unaware of you dont give a shit about tuvok. Jeri Ryan had big tits.

>>212704975
In the 90s the hierarchy of popularity went like
>TNG
>VOY
>DS9
>TOS (not that people didn't LIKE it, but it was seen as old fashioned. I think the "upgraded" 2006 effects made people reevaluate the show)

most of the casts are fine its the writing that makes them bad. or totally forgettable like mayweather because even the writers forgot him

>>212705111
undiscovered country was 1991 and very much still beloved for years after.

>>212705053
Jeri Ryan elevated her performance beyond giant tits. She's a good actress.

>>212705146
The movies are a separate entity. I meant the shows themselves. Obviously the movies were more popular with normies and the general public.

>>212704975
I was pleasantly surprised recently, running the kitchen, FoH manager asked when the order was ready I said
>30secs
>you always say that
>well I'm not spock its 30secs to 1 min ok
she then asked "wait whats your favorite star trek?"
an 18yr old something american tourist and a german tourist hired as temps plus me all replied at the same time
DS9
I guess not all zoomers are stupid

>>212705156
her acting right from the onset while still wearing all the borg shit was good

>>212704975
people know Captain Sisko

>>212705111
Nah TOS still had movies released in the 90s, that crew was far more popular than DS9/VOY.
>
TNG
TOS Movies
TOS
Power gap
VOY/DS9
I guess voyager did better because TNG was done when VOY was running but the kes seasons weren't loved. Now this is from a ten year old me perspective but the backlash to voyager was that they weren't going to do another enterprise, no one really cared about the woman captain.

>>212705111
I was only a kid in the 90s but yeah DS9 was always at the bottom. In all the old magazines people called it boring. TNG was king that rhymes if you pronounce it TING like I do and VOY was always being pushed in advertising.

>>212705156
I really don't think she did.

This is how people felt about DS9 in the 20th century.

>>212705263
there was also a gap from UPN even existing, trying to start a national network in the late 90s out of nowhere. paramount really made the worst business decisions its entire lifetime.

>>212704891
There were a lot of mistakes. If you're going to do the prequel, you shouldn't be retconning Vulcans and turning them into giant cunts, you shouldn't do away with familiarities like energy shields -- just make them weaker, all of that stuff. And then make the focus of the show building the Federation out, not all of this other convoluted shit.

I don't mean to offend the coomer bros but one of the main reasons I hate Enterprise is that the show just seems so desperate to capture the attention of non-Star Trek fans with all of the cheap sexiness and whatnot. Now, maybe that is what they were doing with Seven of Nine too but they didn't have to her disrobing behind curtains like fucking Austin Powers (kek) and Jeri Ryan was actually a good enough actress, and VOY had enough good writers, to actually make that character interesting and fit in.
But just something about ENT seems really desperate to appeal to normies in a way that is unappealing to me. The sexualization of TOS felt like a much more natural part of the setting because everyone had wild costumes, meanwhile in ENT everyone is wearing fucking coveralls.

>>212705349
>this is how idiots felt about ds9 in the 20th century
yes their are always retards

>>212705111
You're insane, I would say that TOS was still more popular than TNG even at TNG's peak. Those TOS movies were running up into the early 90s and characters like Kirk and Spock are just pop culture perennials.

>>212705398
thats clearly some gaming magazine, the overlap is approximately 100%

>>212705350
i used to watch voy reruns on fox at 5-7pm but new eps were on upn which i didn't get. thankfully piracy was a thing back then too. upn was such a shit channel when i did finally see it, zero direction as to what it wanted to be. putting trek on qvc would have been more appropriate

>>212705369
wel yea thats what I mean it was poorly handled the premise is really good the execution is not

>>212705369
TOS sexuality was actually sexy. In ENT it feels blatantly exploitative when you watch it and it's off-putting. The show has way bigger problems than that, it's just kinda something that makes it feel dated to me watching it for the first time in current day

>>212705398
DS9 had the worst ratings performance of any Star Trek series.

>>212705420
I was going to say its probably pc gamer

>>212705469
it aired past my bedtime at like 11pm so i had to tape it and watch it before school in the mornings.

>>212705469
so?

>>212705443
Yeah, Roddenberry was right.

Nothing about the writing or the stories in TOS feel dated, just the production, the effects etc. But with ENT which is WAY NEWER than TOS, it already feels like a dated time capsule of an early '00s tv drama, dated as hell in its own way.

>>212705414
TNG was a merchandise power house even after it went off the air. Playmates focused their entire toy effort into TNG. They didn't even make the TOS crew until much later.

>>212705111
Depends heavily on your age bracket

>>212705649
I had picrel when I was 8 in 92. Is that "much later"

>>212705786
Tbf the only reason they were making ST toys in the 90s was to capitalize on TNG

>>212705786
That came out in 1993, after they already had two waves of TNG. They made a handful of movie era figures in 1995. In 1996 they started adding more TOS people like Chapel and the Gorn.

>>212705821
I agree and I had a lot of them but TNG was also running at the time. The fact that they made and sold these lends itself to the idea that TOS was still marketable in the 90s.

IMO at its peak in 1990s TNG was more popular than TOS but that's also partially because it built on the success of the TOS films. But TOS itself is far more iconic in terms of pop culture especially as time goes on.

I love TNG as much as the next person but these people who act like it ever did or ever will surpass TOS in cultural relevance are fucking delusional and embarrassing and need to be quiet

>>212705517
ENT should have had a nu-metal intro and songs playing during slo-mo action scenes and kung-fu fighting and sexy robots, Archer fights the main Xindi dude in giant mecha and the black dude dies in a heroic sacrifice so everyone remembers his name Mayflower or something, lots of hot babes and ripped shirtless dudes but not in a gay way, the only gay storyline is Hoshi lesbian cloning accident. USA! USA!

Once TNG hit its stride it became bigger than TOS which is unthinkable today.
How did they do it?

>>212705903
Oh absolutely, that’s why I objected to the rankings as imagined in the 90s. There were plenty of legit boomers and silent genners who felt about TNG/DS9/Voy then how we feel about nutrek today. Make of that what you will

>>212705991
Meh I'd say Worf and Picard are at Spock Kirk levels of pop culture relevance. I also think picards facepalm meme will outlive all other trek memes in the collective conscious

>>212706020
It did at some point. Obviously everyone from here to Timbuktu knew who Kirk and Spock were, but TNG had an unbelievable presence at its height and throughout the rest of the 90s.

>>212706033
Fair, but I don't think it was as vociferous. Most TOS diehard came around to liking TNG, I don't think that will be the same for STD.

In 1999(!) TNG was still such a big audience draw that they brought Barclay and Troi onto VOY a few times as a ratings boost and UPN ran constant ads for it

>>212706080
>Meh I'd say Worf and Picard are at Spock Kirk levels of pop culture relevance.
You're flat out wrong, I'm sorry.

>TNG vs TOS vs VOY vs DS9 pop culture crossover in the 90s
There is only one way to decide this, and that's to start spamming the thread with mad magazine covers

>>212706166
do you think they had as big of a draw as jason alexander or andy dick or the rock?

>>212705349
Top kek

>>212706185
I would bet dollars to donuts more people have seen an episode of TNG than TOS in 2025. But they tower over all others

>>212706288
how about seen a TOS movie vs a TNG episode though?

if you asked random people on the street
>Who was the doctor on Star Trek?

how many people would say McCoy vs how many people would say Crusher?

>>212706331
Fair question, I'd think WOK but box office receipts would say STIV.

>>212706384
most would say spock

>>212706384
80% would say dr. spock and 20% would say data.

>>212706288
Most people have never seen an episode of Star Trek. I think you don't really understand what pop culture consciousness is.

people say "He's dead, Jim" having no idea what it's from, who said it or who "Jim" is

TNG has nothing like that.

>>212706384
If the follow up isn't
>which show
The answer probably is "I don't know"

>>212706443
I never said "most people have seen an episode of star trek" I said "more people have probably seen an episode of TNG than TOS". You really need to learn how reading works

>>212706288
I love DS9 but there's no denying that in the more mainstream fan conscious it was very unpopular. People thought Jake was the new Wesley and that the stationary (lel) setting where problems come to them rather than being sought out was boring. It doesn't help either that the rest of S1 was very dull after a strong pilot episode.

>>212706231
Yes lol. VOY was foe star trek fans, Andy dick was never a mega star and the rock wasn't the biggest name in Hollywood, which is why he was doing an episode of voyager. There was likely a crossover between Seinfeld and star trek fans, but non trekkie Seinfeld fans weren't watching voyager for a George appearance.

>>212706518
I didn't say that you said that. I asserted that pop culture consciousness of a franchise has absolutely nothing to do with that. Fucking ironic that you would try to say I can't read when you're making low IQ replies like that.

>>212706639
>I just made up what you said
>don't call me on it that's low IQ
Lol

>>212706444
>tng has nothing like that

>>212706444
engage
make it so

>>212706735
no people dont say those

>>212706735
funny how "engage" as a command was given by Kirk several times in TOS but everyone always associates it with Picard

>>212706685
>>I just made up what you said
Now you're just making things up in your seethe. Lal.

>>212706790
>Lal.
Yes?

>>212706771
what about this classic?
>they gaped me, captain
>the romulans dressed me up like this and forced me onto the bridge
>and they gaped me!

First time on VHS
>1980s - TOS (black boxes)
>1991 - TNG
>1993 - TOS (blue boxes)
>1994 - DS9
>1996 - VOY

First time on DVD
>1999 - TOS (episodic)
>2002 - TNG
>2003 - DS9
>2004 - TOS (season box sets)
>2004 - VOY
>2005 - ENT

First time on Blu-ray
>2009 - TOS
>2012 - TNG

>>212706950
Forgot ENT had a Blu-ray release slid in 2013 unnoticed

>>212706122
The internet wasn’t a thing. I’m sure there are silent genners who went to their graves cursing TNG and it’s faggotry

>>212706781
Weird, it's almost like TNG is as big of a pop culture icon as TOS in 2025. Come to think of it why didn't paramount offer to do a Kirk prestige show?

>>212706790
>Lal
Incest is never best

The takeaway here is that over 30 years ago people eventually came around to a new version of Trek and it nearly surpassed the original. It will never happen again, no matter how hard they try.

>>212706984
>'the internet wasn't a thing
In the 90s
For star trek fans
In the 90s

>>212707151
>it nearly surpassed the original
it didn't though

>>212707165
We’re taking about actual old people here. They’re also not called the silent generation because they liked to bitch and moan

>>212707095
Because Shatner hates them.
Why isn't nutrek set in the TNG era if it's such a pop culture icon? They keep doing TOS era stuff for some reason. Even with JJ Trek.

>>212707151
Media and tech has evolved and is evolving so rapidly that it’s highly unlikely that it’ll be recognizable in 30 years. It’s like talking about the popularity of serialized radio programmes

>>212707329
There are only so many ways to present long-form stories.

Whether Star Trek is happening on a flat screen in video format or as some kind of interactive VR shit shat out by some kind of complicated learning model, the presentation and beats of a Star Trek story will more or less remain the same.

>>212707329
>Media and tech has evolved and is evolving so rapidly
Hard disagree. Media is evolving far more slowly than it did in the past. In the 20th century they went from books to photographs to film to radio to television to vhs to disc to streaming and from analog to digital. Radio serials only lasted from the 20s to the 50s before dying out.

>>212707398
It’ll always exist as a historical thing and a property of sorts, but I have no idea what media of the future will entail. Given the option, would you rather watch a show about space guys or be a space guy in whatever we’ve come up with in thirty years? Vidya is already doing media better than the legacy version

>>212707602
I play vidya while I watch trek though.

>>212707482
Pretty sure that’s what you call recency bias friendo. We went from dial up to wired to wired broadband to wireless broadband everywhere in about thirty years

How exactly are ENT Vulcans a retcon?
Vulcans could be ruthless and jealous in "Amok Time". They could be arrogant in "Journey to Babel". Spock was bullied as a child by other Vulcans in "Yesteryear". They could be petty in "Take Me Out to the Holosuite". They could be psychopaths in "Field of Fire".

>>212707683
>thirty years to do the same thing but wireless
Wi-fi is from 1997.

>>212707698
bait

>>212707698
its not a recon because they reset with t'pau at the end

>>212707768
You’re nitpicking because you either don’t understand my argument or are unwilling to address it for some reason. I say good day to you sir

>>212707240
No you're cherry picking silent geners because you can conveniently make arguements that they never came around to TOS. A large amount of TNG fans didn't like DS9, VOY or ENT came around just like TOS fans came around to TNG. That all happened within 10 or so years. It's been 15 years since JJ schlock and people haven't come around to that. It's been nearly 8 years since STD premiered and people haven't come around. My belief is that nutrek will not have a large amount of trek fans Come around and new trek fans will be brought to the Fandom by TOS and Berman trek.

>>212708010
>get btfo
>make runaway post
lmao loser

>>212707698
I personally don’t understand the beef. It’s established that their emotional control isn’t absolute and that they’re arrogant and patriarchal (for lack of a better word) towards humans in TOS. In TNG they have one that goes bonkers and decides to reassemble some psychic super weapon, nobody bitches about that. It’s just people looking for reasons to justify their personal affect heuristic

>>212708339
No, I’m saying you’re making broad, sourceless claims based on your personal opinion

>no one takes bait
>start samefagging

>>212708339
Nutrek will never be beloved because it concerns itself too much with wide audience appeal (people who have never and will never watch Star Trek) while shitting all over established fans and calling them stupid and old fashioned.

>>212708555
it's also just plain not good

>>212708615
That too. And the insistence on total serialization. Entire seasons of STD and SPIC are that "ten episode movie" format that does not lend itself well to rewatches. Only SNW is episodic in the traditional sense but it's very twee and shitty remakes of existing stories

>>212707768
>me and my roommate setting up early wifi so no cables!
>..wtf is this micro lag
>watch network
>its indeed dropping packets
>run cat5 everywhere in the end anyways
not him but wifi sucked ass until g. it was a luxury before then with a/b and unusable for a lot of things. still pretty cool early tech, some manufacturers went beyond the original standards so you could get 22mb with d-link when 11mb was the b standard

>>212707279
>They keep doing TOS era stuff for some reason.

It's mainly because of the reboot trend and because the original cast is mostly gone. And they did milk TNG via the Picard series with Patrick Stewart and whoever came back from the original series because they're still alive. I'll bet my left testicle that the moment Stewart dies a series or even a movie with a young TNG cast is announced. They'll probably connect it into the Abrams universe so we will get a new Generations movie too.

>>212708555
Yeah that's my point. If it had a redeeming quality people would have come around by now. All good things is closer to Encounter at farpoint than today is to the STD premiere.

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>>212699636
What fag doesn’t like who mourns for Adonis?