Thread 212701401

Now that the dust has settled and it’s a certified flop. What went wrong?

The overstuffed cast?
Gunn’s humor not fitting a Superman movie?
The goofy tone turning people off?
The poor visuals and CGI?
The lack of star power?

The audience is too cynical and jaded. If you don't like this movie, you have no business nostalgia-posting about the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy.

it made 144 million

>>212701437
>if you didn’t like this bad movie, you have no right to like these good movies because they had similar tones (they didn’t)

>>212701437
Comparing this dogshit to the Raimi movies should be a felony

>>212701401 (OP)
>The poor visuals and CGI?
It really is bizarre how cheap the movie looked considering the massive budget

>>212701401 (OP)
>Now that the dust has settled
It's been four days and we're in an age where almost all movies do middling numbers in theaters. This isn't me outright defending the performance, but I feel like we're in such an era where people aren't going to theaters as much anymore, the only movies you really see doing massive numbers are kids movies. And not like "well comic book movies can be for kids" I'm talking shit like The Minecraft Movie.

The highest grossing movie of 2025 so far that isn't outright made for 12 year olds was the latest Mission Impossible and that barely broke even. I think the days of Infinity War blockbusters are behind us

>>212701487
>>212701684
I watched the Sam Raimi trilogy for the first time half a year ago. The tone is pretty much exactly the same and I'll bet even Sam Raimi himself agrees.

>>212701401 (OP)
>Now that the dust has settled and it’s a certified flop. What went wrong?

>The overstuffed cast?
>Gunn’s humor not fitting a Superman movie?
>The goofy tone turning people off?
>The poor visuals and CGI?
>The lack of star power?

>>212701401 (OP)
>You know how people are sick of the MCU? Well, what if we make DC exactly like the MCU? We can even call it the DCU!
That's what went wrong

>>212702315
you were posting this bullshit last night and it still isn't correct. go back to your faggot containment sub and kill yourself. i don't care if you're just baiting like last jedi faggots, i want you off this site now.
>>212702254
>It's been four days and we're in an age where almost all movies do middling numbers in theaters
mind you this garbage has been out for a week and it still took that long to catch up to man of steel's opening weekend

>>212702485
>i don't care if you're just baiting like last jedi faggots
I didn't like TLJ. I didn't even like TFA.
>that image
Bro, you're literally behaving like the angry Lex Luthor right now.

>>212701401 (OP)
I've been thinking about why jeets (like OP) and other turdworlders, are so desperately hoping this flick will fail, and I'm pretty sure I have it all figured out: America had its nihilist, self-loathing phase for the past 15~ years and is finally coming out of it. The new Superman is very forward thinking, hopeful, and not just another dour "deconstruction" of the character or mythos. It mirrors the renewed energy, constructive attitude and patriotism, quickly gaining momentum in the US, a renewal that makes shitters seethe and gnash their teeth. You see it's "better" for them when we're off balance, and nihilist, and worried about what THEY think. (it's why they keep feverishly making threads about how "badly" it's doing overseas. We don't care.) Things are changing, America is kicking ass, our Superman is once again positive icon not wracked with angst and uncertainty, and it SCARES you, because you KNOW it for what it truly means: a shot across your bow.

>>212702706
>Bro, you're literally behaving like the angry Lex Luthor right now.
no shit sherlock, i am the angry lex luthor. i literally want you to cease breathing so the planet is less populated, less polluted, and the gene pool has a better chance of surviving.

>>212702315
It’s not, for one thing in the Spiderman movies he is the only hero and none of his villains threaten more than New York directly. It feels much more smaller scale and personal, in Superman world threatening dangers happen every week which makes you ask why the main villain of this movie matters at all. It also makes Superman’s individual acts matter less.

>>212702911
Name a movie you like.
>>212703213
I'm not sure you understand what people are getting at. This Superman feels way more intimate and reminiscent of a Saturday morning cartoon than Snyder's DCU or any MCU movie. The Spiderman trilogy is the closest comparison. Both that trilogy and this movie are unapologetically sincere to the source material and have self-awareness to recognize its broader cultural impact.

>>212702746
India is the only asian country giving your slop some pennies, cucked redneck.

The majority of people are just not on board. The DCU is DOA. Superman underperformed and they're fucking releasing Supergirl and Clayface next!?

>>212701401 (OP)
MORBIUS outsold Superman opening weekend in Germany. Why does International hate this movie so much more than America?

>>212701401 (OP)
Let's be real, it's the fact that WB didn't finish their only long running interconnected movie series aka the 5 films story arc by Snyder. 2018 - 2024 DC was fucking filler. None of those flicks built upto anything like Infinity war/Endgame. Seething nerds won't accept it but Snyder's films were more successful, had international appeal unlike this slop, it would have made much more money than the Hamada flops era. Audience doesn't trust a studio that abandoned their plan after their second film and didn't try to build any alternative for their entire remaining run. The Snyder Cut release exposed them even more.

>>212701485
On a budget of $250 million with even more on marketing.
Its never going to make an actual profit

>>212703499
Clayface could be interesting especially since it’s a horror movie without a crazy budget.

Supergirl is retarded though. Why choose a character who is literally just Superman but less interesting as your follow up? It would be like if after Iron Man 1 Marvel followed it up with a War Machine movie

>>212701401 (OP)
I thought the scene where Superman became vilified was really poorly done. He just saved Metropolis from some giant Kaiju, and within minutes every single person there has seen the news story of his parents message and a mob forms around him in seconds. There was no build up to it at all, it seemed so fucking cheesy and stupid. Same thing happens to Lex later in the film when he is exposed for collaborating with Israel

>>212703741
>Clayface
>Low budget
Spiderman 3 with Sandman had 250mil budget in 2007. CG character film will always be costly.

>>212701437
>nostalgia-posting about the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy
That's the craziest thing i've read about Gunn's Superman in the past hour. We're reaching levels of cope once unimaginable

>>212701401 (OP)
>What went wrong?
In one word, it is WOKE

>>212701401 (OP)
>what went wrong?
Moviegoers don't read comics, and the Superman portrayed in this movie is faithful to the comics, different from the previous ones.

>>212701437
>If you don't like this movie, you have no business nostalgia-posting about the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy.
Why? Spiderman trilogy was not woke, neither were Synder's movies and they were kino.

>>212703828
This. Raimi Trilogy was not a joke fest infected with shitty humor that destroyed any serious scene.

>>212701401 (OP)
Seeing how much people liked this movie I can only say they finally succeded in push the overton window. Congrtulations to all involved.

>>212703412
How far has /tv/ fallen that you have posters who genuinely don’t know what tone is? (Praying this is a bot)

Yes or no, could you ever see in the Raimi movies a scene where Norman Osborn had a team of brainwashed monkeys posting negative things about Spiderman? Would that seem perfectly in line with the rest of the movie or instantly take you out as jarring out of place?

>>212701401 (OP)
just saw some youtube clips of the flick
this guy's facial expressions are suited for shazam, not superman

>>212703675
In my country (Germany’ neighbour) it came #3 this week, behind JW, and F1 on its third week. The comps are really something.
>30% below MoS OW
>75% below BvS
>60% below The Batman
>80% below Joker 1
But hey, it matched Shazam 2 at least.

>>212703970
Some youtuber said SuperKek made less than Shazam 2 internationally on opening weekend.

>>212703820
It’s got a 40 million dollar budget, obviously it can balloon but if they stay under that it should be fine financially

>>212703904
Saving a squirrel and trying to avoid collateral damage as much as possible is Superman. I’ll give you that. Being a weak bitch that gets the shit kicked out of him constantly and being a clumsy, goofy jokester is NOT Superman, though.

>>212704030
>40M
>Clayface
This ain't Joker retard. VFX and CG ain't cheap. Not to mention WB spent 363 Mil on this flick and the CG looks bad except for the stupid dog.

>>212703690
This.
/thread

>>212701401 (OP)
>It made more than Man of Steel at its' point of release so far with smaller budget
>/tv/ still copes

>>212701401 (OP)
Gunn is quite the hack. Not something I would’ve said in like 2018 but the fact that he makes the same movie over and over again is a problem. His ah-ha! moment with Superman is figuring out he could in fact retrofit the Superman mythos into his formula. The comic relief animal, the daddy issues, the constant bantering between characters. I dare him to make a legitimately different movie. Is he going to do this for Supergirl, The Brave and Bold, Justice League? How many times before the slop stops?

>>212703690
I remember the time batman v superman was running along avengers civil war and nerds were like
>OOOHA CIVIL WAR DESTROYED BATMAN VS SUPERMAN DEEDEE DOODOO
Both were mediocre but I dont know what the nerd community have against superman and batman portrayal in snyderverse. Like, they act like the marvel movies are super accurate to the comcis and not something new based on it.
Sure Snyderverse had its problems but they could try to fix it with new movies instead of thrown everything in the trash. DC tried the marvel formula when it was saturated and lost the chance to be the new lead.

Clayface could be interesting but that if's they get a different director. If James Gunn directs Clayface, it will be more infamous than Morbius.

>>212703828
>>212703913
>Raimi Trilogy was not a joke fest infected
What the actual fuck are you talking about? The Raimi trilogy was full of jokes and quips.
>"That's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?"
>"It's you who's out Gobby!"
>"Godspeed Spiderman!"
>every scene with J. Jonah Jameson
Have you not seen this movie since you were 8 years old? Did you forget the whole thing?

>>212703923
>Yes or no, could you ever see in the Raimi movies a scene where Norman Osborn had a team of brainwashed monkeys posting negative things about Spiderman?
1) Goblin is a different character archetype. Every fucking portrayal of Lex Luthor leans into how much he hates Superman. That's his whole motivation. He's pulls similar stunts in the Justice League cartoon.
2) Norman Osborn has a fucking Gollum sequence where he talks to himself in the mirror and then against with his mask. It's exactly the same sort of camp.

You people are actually media illiterate.

Rangeban India

>>212701401 (OP)

Hiring the wrong guy to direct it, plain and simple. Gunn simply does not understand the character or it's theming.

>>212701401 (OP)
Not enough Guy Gardner. In fact, they should've made a Guy Gardner green lantern movie first.

>>212701401 (OP)
Off the top of my head:

>the plot is a mess
>Superman isn't the focus of his own movie
>Superman comes off as too vulnerable and reactive
>MCU humour
>bad CGI
>Jor-El and Lara done dirty
>barely any scenes between Lois and Clark and they're undercut by Gunn's garbage jokes

>>212704358
>Goblin is a different character archetype. Every fucking portrayal of Lex Luthor leans into how much he hates Superman

There is not a single scene in any of the Raimi movies as cartoonishly goofy as the monkey scene. Not even close. And no the animated series Lex never did anything close to that, he took himself far more seriously. Gunn made a Superman movie more cartoonish and less mature than a literal children’s cartoon.

>>212704134
Just set 90% of the scenes in darkness where the cg could be replaced with a pile of mud or a dude in a costume.
Being a cheapass isn't hard. Especially with horror.

>>212701485
Don't lie, shill.

>>212704358
>The Raimi trilogy was full of jokes and quips.

And nothing even half as retarded as an army of monkeys shitposting about Superman in a "pocket universe".

superman fans vibing, chilling while snydercels rage

>>212702341
fuck off, spammer

>>212701401 (OP)
JUST

>>212704953
>superman fans vibing
*coping and seething

No star power
Shit cast
Shit score
Meme Director
No grand scope
Reddit humour
Dogshit CGI
Bad costumes
Memecore

>>212704953
I just punched that artist's name into google

Why are all of his other drawings gay porn?

>>212701401 (OP)
CURRENT THING allegory as a plot device that gets resolved more cartoonishly quickly without consequences than the 1940s cartoon where Superman saves Metropolis from getting 9/11 by Japs, despite that the beginning half of the movie starts with Superman getting ragged on for getting involved in CURRENT THING allegory without thinking the consequences.
So much of Gunn's Superman's characterization comes off as reactionary towards Snyder's Superman.
Snyderman didn't care about saving others(?) -> Gunnman cares about saving others more than the other heroes, borderline making them look careless, and makes you doubt if they could solve a city scale threat without casualties if Gunnman isn't there. Even if they presumably do it in the background as a visual gag during a certain scene.
Snyderman killed Zod -> Gunnman is such a humanist he complains that the other heroes couldn't capture then send a giant monster to space zoo alive.
Snyderman was so powerful it made having a Justice League look pointless -> Gunnman gets the shit kicked out of him several times, and receives help. Mainly the fucking dog. The fucking dog is surprisingly important in helping Gunnman out of a jam several times in the movie.
Snyderfans say mean things about me -> You are all Lex Luthor's monkeys
Somehow made the villain behave in a way that has less dignity than the villain in the fucking live action Speed Racer when he lost.

>>212702315
Raimi's movies actually have good pacing with breathing room for character development and growth. It has no business being compared with Superman's action slop

>>212704898
>weekend

>>212705967
>Snyderman didn't care about saving others
Snyderman had an entire montage of him saving people and being judged for it in BvS
>Snyderman was so powerful it made having a Justice League look pointless
Snyderman got fucking vaporized when the Unity synced. Only thanks to the Flash did he survived
but indeed it kinda feels like Superman 2025 is trying to be the anti-Snyder

>>212701401 (OP)
Test

>>212705967
>>212706225
Gunn actually said his Superman would kill if it came down to it and then all the redditors backtracked pretending like they never had a problem with Snyderman killing Zod.

>>212706259
yes, yes the proxy is working

>>212705807
Look at the artstyle, it screams fujo

>>212701401 (OP)
Did you see the trailers? They are awful. Looks like AI slop. On the contrary Man of Steel has some of the most incredible trailers in film ever. Gunn ended making a very safe and poor movie. As that one black reviewer said, Gunn banalizes what Snyder sought to uplift. What good is a “correct” Superman when you get everything else wrong.

>>212701401 (OP)
All of it plus the INT audience's dislike for overtly American things. Personally the really annoying things were the tone deaf attempt at international politics, the way a lot of conversations are just people screaming over each other especially Superman and Lois, the dog most of the time and the way it skips scenes too often and expects you to care about comic book trivia most people don't know.

>>212706318
Just got off a 3 day ban for talking about my theater experience when seeing this movie

ITT: Snyderbots coping and seething

You can't convince me there wasn't some exec meddling in this movie, just like >>212705967 said, this movie feels like a direct response to the Snyderverse instead of an earnest effort to make a good movie. Gunn is usually not this incompetent. The marketing turning political the closer it got to the release date was also an odd choice.

>>212706286
Lmao

>>212705967
didn't read

>>212706529
Gunn onws the entire studio that is making DCU films
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Studios
these are all his creative choices

>>212706286
no one had a problem with Superman killing Zod, he kills Zod in the Donner Superman 2. it was because all the context was so poorly done and preceeded by Superman apparently not caring about huge numbers of other civilian casualties.

>>212704872
>>212704941
I've figured it out. You guys aren't reacting to the movie, you're reacting to the movie TRAILERS and the marketing surrounding the movie. The monkeys is a scene that's literally 5 seconds within a "science magic" type pocket dimension while Luthor is elaborating on his comically evil plan. I paid no attention to the marketing nor conversation surrounding it and saw the movie on a whim. My independent assessment is it's actually just that fucking good and you're all coping because you invested yourselves in preconceived narratives about a film you hadn't even seen yet.

>>212706037
I watched the Superman movie a total of one time while tripping on an edible and I can distinctly remember three interrelated storylines at least two of which feature character arcs
>A-plot where Superman has PR and then physical battle against Luthor
>Superman he wrestles with his identity after learning the truth about his biological parents but recommits himself to the ideals his adoptive parents taught him
>B-plot is Lois and Mr. Terrific uncovering Luthor's plot with appearances from Guy Gardner and Hawkgirl
>Justice Gang is won over by Superman's unwavering dedication to helping others and intervenes in a foreign conflict (it's implied in a quick Pentagon scene that this will have ramifications for how they're viewed by the government at the very least if not the public as well)
>C-plot where Jimmy Olsen extracts information out of Luthor's bimbo sidepiece.
You're all just outting yourself as pseuds if you can't follow shit that was perfectly straightforward to my high-as-a-kite ass. Superman is a tightly written movie that's efficient with its storytelling JUST LIKE THE RAIMI SPIDERMAN TRILOGY. All the plot development and character growth is there. Fucking modern audiences are actually just too stupid and fall for "hype moments and aura" over good writing.

Holy shit are all the posts comparing this movie to the Raimi movies the same guy? How does he still not understand what tone is?

>>212701401 (OP)
The humor was unfunny and hurt many serious scenes.

>>212701401 (OP)
The morality of the movie makes no sense. Superman invading foreign countries and killing people is wrong, but it is okay if Guy Gardner or Hawk Girl do it?

>>212706648
>it was because all the context was so poorly done
The context was perfectly in your face. Even if Superman choked Zod out instead of breaking his neck, there's no method on Earth to keep Zod locked up. The kryptonian space ship got fucked and there's no way to send him back into the phantom zone. He is not going to stop until he destroys everything he loves, the family that was about to get zapped to dust being the appropriate example.
"Why couldn't they just walk to the side"
is a shitty meme like
>and preceeded by Superman apparently not caring about huge numbers of other civilian casualties.
Could've Superman thought of a better way. In the words of actually shit writing "Maybe" but it's also the equivalent of throwing shit at a cop that shot a mugger holding the 7/11 cashier at gun point because he could've judo chopped the bitch out.

>>212706932
My personal comparison is Venom: Let There Be Carnage. Very fast pacing, doesn’t care about your sense of disbelief, littered with comedy.

>>212701401 (OP)
Lex Luthor is terrible. I don’t understand why only the DCAU can get him right.

>>212706970
I think it’s an all or nothing thing. The world is so whimsical and so low budgety you basically have to insert grotesque amounts of comedy or the entire execution falls flat.

>>212706851
>A-plot where Superman has PR and then physical battle against Luthor
Mostly actionfest, not a character arc unless you're counting the in-your-face monologues
>Superman he wrestles with his identity after learning the truth about his biological parents but recommits himself to the ideals his adoptive parents taught him
I can give you that, but it still gets drowned by the non-stop action, so the final scene and the conversation with Pa Kent hardly hits emotionally
>B-plot is Lois and Mr. Terrific uncovering Luthor's plot with appearances from Guy Gardner and Hawkgirl
It had fun dynamics, still not character development
>Justice Gang is won over by Superman's unwavering dedication to helping others and intervenes in a foreign conflict (it's implied in a quick Pentagon scene that this will have ramifications for how they're viewed by the government at the very least if not the public as well)
Fair.
>C-plot where Jimmy Olsen extracts information out of Luthor's bimbo sidepiece.
Once again, it's not a character arc

>>212707069
Because DCAU Lex wasn’t retarded and DCAU Superman wasn’t whiny.

>>212706529
>feels like a direct response to the Snyderverse
The fanbase for this movie does lean that way too more than anything else. You can tell they were all set to take a victory lap over the "Snyderbros". There's a very strong politico-cultural undercurrent here.

>>212706932
Every Raimi fan I know irl agrees with me. /tv/ specifically has a bunch of nostalgia-addled retards that saw those movies when they were 10 when they were too young to realize how comedic and campy the Spiderman trilogy is.

>>212707054
I have never seen Venom but it's fucking Venom. Of course lighthearted jokes aren't gonna work in a movie about one of THE OG edgelord characters.

>>212707069
Imagine if Gunn hired Clancy Brown to play him. He wouldn’t even cost that much and you’d get all the nostalgia points the second people heard his voice in the trailer.

I don’t know how Gunn managed to make making a Superman movie look hard.

>>212707001
The lesson is that he comes around. At the start Guy calls him a wuss for not wanting to kill the kaiju. And then at the end of the movie Superman bravely dislocates his shoulder to kill Ultraman. Killing is good.

>>212707132
you aren't even making counter-arguments, you're just saying that because there is a lot of action the character development stuff doesn't "count" somehow.

you're just stating your subjective impression. watch the movie again, its actually very well-paced and structured once you get used to how quickly it throws stuff at you.

>>212707209
Too old

>>212707270
He is moron he’s not saying the character development doesn’t count he’s saying it didn’t exist

>>212707132
>Mostly actionfest, not a character arc unless you're counting the in-your-face monologues
>It had fun dynamics, still not character development

I agree with you. Because I was describing the plots and the character arcs separately. Which is why I fucking said "I can distinctly remember THREE interrelated storylines at least TWO of which feature character arcs" but you're ADHD illiterate so you skimmed over half my comment to race to the greentext.

>>212707133

Only plebs liked Eisdenberg Luthor

>>212707304
Better an old Lex Luthor than a zoomer

>>212707209
I love Clancy Brown's Luthor but it'd be kind of like hiring Mark Hamill to play a live-action Joker. The voice is perfect but he's too old and doesn't look like the character in general.

>>212707001
>>212707257
you're both wrong. Guy didn't actually make a point of killing anyone, it was mostly slapping the soldiers around and Metamorpho smashed a tank just like Superman himself did.

Superman wouldn't have killed the President like Hawkgirl did.

most capeshit is so infantile that I get that you'd miss the point about how the movie is presenting the superheroes as different people with different takes on morality, which is what is happening. Hawkgirl killing a dude says something about Hawkgirl, not about Superman's morality or the movie's "themes".

>>212707317
he namechecks examples of it happening then says "but action tho". all the Superman / Lex dialogue was obviously character development for both of them. we found out Lex's whole motivation. it's active bias: the movie did do something but I'm going to ignore it because .......

>>212701401 (OP)
Capeslop fatigue. Snyderverse was successful because it distinguished DC from MCU with grit and took a different approach to superheroes. James Gunn undid all of this, and turned DC into MCU-lite. Supergirl will flop harder, and they won't even finish their phase 1.

>>212707257
Ultraman isn't dead. Gunn will definitely bring him back since black hole == multiverse

>>212707372
The fact that Superman doesn’t try to stop her or have an issue with her afterwards does though.

>>212707414
>Snyderverse was successful

it was marginally profitable with rapidly encrouching diminishing returns.
both Wonderwoman and Aquaman were far more profitable and both are very obviously the result of their directors not Snyder.

>>212701401 (OP)
>What went wrong?
too many kikes

>>212707453
we are given no reason to think he knows what happened or even thought to ask. we don't even know if Hawkgirl would have told the truth to Gardner -- the charaterizations suggest she would just make something up and Gardner wouldn't care enough to second-guess it. most likely the US government would find out later after investigating.

don't be autistic and assume that because you know something every character in the movie has the same information.

>>212707001
It wasn't wrong in the first place, people were just dicks about it.

>>212707470
>both are very obviously the result of their directors not Snyder.
Which is why their sequels by those same directors were also successful

>>212707453
>The fact that Superman doesn’t try to stop her
Superman is fighting Luthor's goons on the other side of the planet. Just admit you were scrolling your phone instead of watching the movie.

>>212704953
see pic rel
>>212704271

>>212701401 (OP)
all of the above but gunn's failure to take a stand on the palestinian genocide was probably the biggest factor

>>212707546
>we are given no reason to think he knows what happened or even thought to ask
A woman with hawk wings dropped the president of a nation whose war is top headline news to his death in a major city and Superman is not shown to do annything about it.

This absolutely is making a statement about Superman’s morality. Your low IQ notwithstanding

>>212706851
>defending slop that was so easy to understand it appealed to stonerfags

>>212701401 (OP)
I love how it didn't feel like the first movie in a cinematic universe. The world was already established and running with Superman having been on the job and it throws you right in.

>>212707696
if you watch the camrip, the whole area below Hawkgirl is some kind of deserted presidential inner city palace. the guards are all attacking Jaranpur and the Bergovia administration wasn't expecting a metahuman to show up and try to arrest the President.

even if there was an investigation by someone who Superman would listen to, Hawkgirl is obviously going to say something like he was struggling and her hand slipped.

the dynamic is interesting precisely because no one can now hold the metahumans to account unless Superman himself does it. that SHOULD come up as part of a conflict in future movies as the scene with Rick Flag implies.

>>212703412
Why is "cartoon" typically seen as a negative but "Saturday morning cartoon" is seen as a positive?
Also the actual superman and Justice League cartoons were much more serious than this

>>212707851
do the Justice League Cartoons feature recreations of the Israeli Palestinian conflict with lil brown kids nearly getting shot?

>>212707883
>do the Justice League Cartoons feature recreations of the Israeli Palestinian conflict with lil brown kids nearly getting shot?
This dude watching Superman 2025

Also
>with lil brown kids nearly getting shot?
Do they seriously not even have the balls to do more than shoot around them lol?

>>212701401 (OP)
Not enough bimbos. There was only 3, arguably 2 and a half.
That Daily Planet journalist
Jimmy's next wife for life
Supper girl.

Superhero movies peaked when I was a child/teenager and became shit immediately afterwards. The early 2000s X men movies, the first two Sam Raimi spiderman movies, and the Nolan Batman movies. Everything else was bad, I liked Watchmen a little bit but that's it. They should have shut down the entire genre after I stopped caring.

>>212707999
dude all the stuff I liked as a kid was the best stuff too! we are both very original for thinking this!

>>212703741
Supergirl is going to be better than Superman. They're directly adapting one of her best comics, so it should at least have a more cohesive and memorable plot than Superman's tiktok tier mishmash of scenes

>BTFOing the new avengers movie that came out this year
>certified flop
Why are mousepajeets so bad at coping?

>>212708031
>comic good therefore movie good
yeah they said that about Watchman too lol

>>212708100
And they were right.

>>212707851
I don't have a stick up my ass, anon. I love The Incredibles which is literally a cartoon as well as a summer blockbuster. I also love the Dark Knight which is a self-serious melodrama, more operatic than cartoonish. Cartoons are fine when it suits the subject matter, as it does with this movie. People are just saying "Saturday morning cartoon" because that's how my generation watched shows like Justice League. They aired on Saturday mornings. It calls back to a specific nostalgia but they conceivably could have aired the cartoons at any other time slot.

>>212707883
>do the Justice League Cartoons feature recreations of the Israeli Palestinian conflict with lil brown kids nearly getting shot?
The cartoons definitely deal with conflicts reminiscent of real world geopolitics when dealing with villains like Luthor and Vandal Savage. The comics get even more explicit. There's literally a recurring Middle Eastern country called "Qurac". They're presented in a simple way, like an elementary school history book but they're definitely there. And if anything adds more comic book cred to Gunn's interpretation.

>>212702341

33 times

>>212708189
This faggot was challenged to post his hand and he refused, he's some kind of brown.

>>212708135
not in a way that translated to the screen.
if you read the comic first (and I did) you could tell what the point of the scenes was, but it didn't work as a movie. Alan Moore was right when he said it shouldn't be adapted.

superman is boring. they should stop making movies about him and only use him as a emegency escape.
>green latern movie
>getting his ass handed to him
>superman shows up to stop a train
>superman leaves because hes got more important shit to do
>green latern figures it out somehow
can be a bit every movie where the audience never knows when superman is going to show up but they know hes coming

>>212708086
>BTFOing the new avengers movie that came out this year
Yeah it's BTFOed hard

>>212707988
That's still 3 more bimbos than any theatrical release movie in the last 5 years.

>>212708366
Well when superman reboot #445 beats the new avengers ensemble movie, I'd say they're doing fine. Fine enough to beat the competition at least

>>212708445
>#445
Odd way to spell the number three

>>212708480
Smallville was one of the most popular show of the 2000s. Point stands, when a reboot beats an ensemble movie from the competition within the same year, it's doing fine

>>212701437
Pedophiles like yourself deserve to be gutted and force fed to Jews and Muslims

>>212701401 (OP)
>What went wrong?
India.

They've turned /tv/ into a giant toilet. I barely even come here anymore. I spend more time on /mu/ these days, that's how bad this board has become.

>>212701401 (OP)
It had no substance at all
It was just constant CGI fights and goofy Saturday morning cartoon humor for kids
I have no interest in ever seeing it again

>>212708765
/mu/ is 1000% worse. it's 90% kpop and 10% troll posts.

>>212701401 (OP)
The way the movie depicts his real parents as evil and worth forgetting, and his earth parents as redneck trash is an insult

>>212701401 (OP)
Please god strike india down. Or at the very least take internet away from them.
This boars has been unreadable since this plague of disgusting mongrels got internet acess.

>>212708938
>redneck trash
Do you even know what those words mean? His parents are decent middle class farmers who adopted and raised him with love. What part of them is supposed to be trash?

>>212709044
They are ugly.

>>212707988
Hawkgirl?

>>212709214
Indians are much uglier and they smell like shit

>>212708031
Yeah fucking right. You wish! Wow, drunk Superskank, soooooo cool.
>OMG yasss queen, POP OFF SLUT, you GO gurl!

>>212701401 (OP)
It failed like your top surgery failed.

>>212706648
No, were you there? It was all about killing Zod, every single time

>>212708031
>They're directly adapting one of her best comics
the tom king shit??

>>212703499
You and the other 12 snydertards are not "majority of people"

They should just adapt kingdom come and be done wih it

>>212709655
It’s hard carried by its artwork

>>212703690
>Audience doesn't trust a studio
Peple will trust the studio that got rid of snydershit, hoping they learned their lesson

>>212703907
Never mention snydershit in the same phrase with raimi kino, please

>>212702485
Retard, republicans hate this movie for being anti israel

>>212709697
Still their best comic

>>212704312
>Sure Snyderverse had its problems but they could try to fix it with new movies instead of thrown everything in the trash
Nope. Into the trash it goes.
Wouldn't touch any DC project unless that shit is rebooted

Is this the official snydersar copium thread?

>>212704861
6 of these 7 things didn't happpen, and I'm far from sure about the 7th being set in stone

>>212701401 (OP)
Poor pacing, Superman getting cucked, Superman making consistently retarded decisions, characters with zero room to breathe or develop, scenes moving onto virtually unrelated scenes that would at times even hurt continuity, none of the characters seemed to like each other except when they absolutely had to in a scene, Superman losing or getting removed from almost every fight, Superman acting like he was in his first week despite being a 3 year veteran at that point, needless political commentary, and the CGI dog was annoying.

>>212704981
Literally the opposite lmao

>>212705967
>So much of Gunn's Superman's characterization comes off as reactionary towards Snyder's Superman.
Superman being superman is an offense to snyder now.
KYS

>>212703970
>Return to form.
The bottom will off during the second weekend. All DC fans and fanboys go and watch the opening weekend and capeshit is always front-loaded.
>>212704013
>SuperKek
LMFAO.

>>212710112
>being a whiny retard who loses constantly and pouts when he loses is "being Superman" now

>>212710068
I forgot the worst thing: starting from Act 2

>>212704134
It's based on Golden Age Clayface who was a failed actor turned serial killer with a clay mask. It's DC's House of Wax.

>>212708938
You bet. The shilling for this dumpsterfire is astonishing.

>>212706225
>and being judged for it in BvS
that subplot ended with an explosion

>>212710143
Are you retarded or do you have zero knowledge about the hero's journey? Heroes are supposed to suffer hardships through most of their stories and the come back at the top by the end. It's basic storytelling. Do you retarded jeets really just preffer mary sues that win every battle? Need the dopamine all the runtime to keep you awake uhh? There wouldn't be a movie if he just won against eveyone all the time from the start

>>212710316
Hes been superman for three years. If he's just having a hero's journey now (he didn't but let's pretend) then there's something wrong with him.

>>212709773
>hurrr all conservatives are republisharts

>>212706392
>On the contrary Man of Steel has some of the most incredible trailers in film ever.
And then you see the movie and nobody likes it.
Bravo Sneedo.
Sneedoverse never ever

>>212709773
I hated it because it turned Supetman into a manchild.

>>212710370
New enemies keep appearing, and new challenges. That's the point for making new movies. Just because he's been superman for 3 years you want him to be able to beat every new villain that materializes? Every movie would just be him beating villains in the first 5 minutes and it would be over. Also the villain was ultraman(his clone) who was controlled by lex who had studied his every fighting pattern those 3 years.

>>212702746
/thread

>>212710465
>And then you see the movie and nobody likes it.
Same cinema score as SuperSaar 2025

>>212710478
The biggest problem with this two hour shitpile. Too many characters in general kept appearing, usually to call Superman a pussy or beat his ass physically. It was a retarded mess.

>>212710370
you do not know the name joseph campbell. you have not read his books. if you had, you’d know every single day of your life, each and every time you wake up, you start a “hero’s journey”. you only know this term from the internet. you saw some black circle on a white background in some jpg probably in some rick and morty thread or some tumbrlina talking about the lord of the rings in 2012. (You) are not educated. you are naive, and ignornant, speaking on subjects far beyond your current comprehension

it’s not hard though. fix it. clearly you enjoy discussing the “hero’s journey”. here is the book. read it faggot, or don’t, and always sound like a faggot

https://www.eriesd.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=35845&dataid=53662&FileName=The%20Hero%20with%20a%20Thousand%20Faces.pdf

>>212701401 (OP)
terrible cgi and lighting, for starters

>>212704013
>>212710119

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box-office-shazam-2-opening-weekend-stumbles-1235558787/

>At the international box office, “Shazam 2” added $35 million from 77 markets for a dismal global start of $65.5 million.

https://deadline.com/2025/07/superman-opening-global-international-box-office-1236454958/
>MONDAY UPDATE, with actuals…: DC/Warner’s Superman flew a bit higher in the Sunday actuals, reaching a $220M global start. The upward shift is powered by domestic which came in at $125M while the international box office take remained set in steel at $95M.

I guess that's why you shouldn't listen to Youtubers

>>212710554
>gunnfags trying to become snyderfags by pretending their trash is secretly deep
kek

>>212710523
Only character i remember beating him was ultraman at the start of the movie so idk what you are talking about. He even had to surrender himsel for them to use kryptonite to keep him in jail.
At the final fight against ultraman and that other chick he had some problems but ultimately won. Literally just one character beat him and managed to beat him in the second fight

>>212704271
Explain Tromeo and Juliette

>>212707021
Writing characters into a corner.
Could easily write a story where Superman is forcet to kill children with a piece of glass.
Dogshit tone deaf movie with no coherent theme, made for low iwq contrarian teens

It flopped a decade ago. Move on

>>212704332
Why would he be the one directing it, moron? He didn't even write it and only seems half interested in the project anyways

>>212710591
>The hero's journey is le deep
Kys scum you don't seem to know anything about basic storytelling

The over-the-top antisemitism was what ruined it for me

>>212704358
I agree with every word of this post. Say media illiterate, or any variation again, and I may change my mind

>>212710651
He failed in nearly every decision he made.
>lost fight with Lois
>failed to neutralize the kaiju, and just had go watch the justice gang kill it
>didn't even try to help the gang fight another kaiju
>made the fucktarded decision to save his dog by turning himself in and going to minecraft jail
>barely survived saving a baby and only because the baby's father got mad when lex shot a guy and captain nigger saved him
>finally gets to barely beat... himself, who has to be as much of a fag loser as he is
>selfie slut defeats lex

PLEASE WATCH THE MOVIE GUYS PLS

>>212710591
or you can read a book and actually improve yourself and elevate your mind. I am being earnest and sincere and unironic. you are a human being with a soul. nourish it. value it. the book is right there, I found you a free pdf copy. all you need do is click

or continue being the soulless golem you currently are. nothing more than an NPC regurgitating internet points you saw in some thread. you argued the “hero’s journey”. now argue it with yourself. if (You) can

>>212701401 (OP)
I find it hilarious they spent probably a million bombarding this board until it was near useless the weeks leading up to its release. I think they genuinely think if they shill something enough they dont actually have to make a good product.

>>212710810
Why do they keep using that awful fucking shot?

>>212710850
They sure as hell didn't make a good product so this checks out.

>>212710875
I think you mean beloved and iconic shot

>>212710875
There aren't any particularly good shots.

>>212701401 (OP)
Honestly I find the engineered discourse over this film to be more entertaining than the movie itself. And even then, it feels so engineered and fake to me, like to BUILD hype for it. Supposedly some Snyder cultists and "the anti-woke" movement really despise this movie and while I don't doubt that their ARE plenty of those idiots who hate this movie for that reason, they make it sound like that ONLY a crazy person can dislike this movie. I honestly don't even think that many people actually care about the movie that much, they just want to generate and benefit off of negativity to sell this movie.

Seems to me that ironically it's the supposed good guys who benefit the most from "anti-woke".

>>212710929
dude there’s literal and very real concentration camps now. we are through the looking glass, crossed a rubicon, etc.

>>212707414
>Snyderverse was successful
It wasn't, retard. It drove the IP into the ground

>>212707209
He's already in The Batman timeline which is being folded in for World's Finest. Muscietti is either fired or Brave and the Bold is relegated to a "Batman Beyond" tier spinoff in the meta of the DCU

>>212711000
or is relegated*

>>212707414
>Snyderverse was successful
BvS couldn't crack a billion when capeshit was at its peak and permanently tarred the DC brand. The fact this film is barely going to break even with massively positive reviews is a miracle in itself.
Gunn just needs to do a Worlds Finest film now.

>>212711028
No. I typed correctly.

>>212710806
>Lost fight with lois
When? Do you think she won the argument? Because they didn't even seem to reach and agreement
>Couldn' defeat kaiju
If you could put attention you can tell superman doesn't even want to kill him. Which is in character as superman constantly limits himself to not kill unlike the justice gang
>Barely survived saving a baby
You mean when he was weak from being exposed to kryptonite for hours. The fake sun they used couldn't fully heal him
You seem like you didn't eve put attention

>>212708366
>thunderbolts is the avengers
?????
rangeban gunnjeets

>>212711071
If you read the post, I said neutralize, not kill. He failed to save the kaiju, pouted like a bitch and effectively lost Lois as his gf (not a win), and exposed himself to that obvious as fuck kryptonite trap by choice.
He's a fucking loser to the core.

>>212701401 (OP)
The bad promotion which was either about Gunn's smugness or just how the film is so much better than MoS
Next time dont try to promote the film by bashing another fil, it will alienate the fans andfor te normies not invested in comics it will still look like they dont have confidence in their product
If I were Saslav, I would tell Gunn to stop posting on twitter

>>212710806
>made the fucktarded decision to save his dog by turning himself in and going to minecraft jail
"he's not even a very good dog. but he's all alone, and probably scared," is the most superman thing in the film and that's what you take up arms against?

>>212710975
I'm talking about the discourse of the movie, not irl politics.

Although tbf, people have brought up irl politics for this movie too...so...I guess it checks out.

>>212711145
If Sazlav did anything smart, it wouldn't be sazlav.

>>212701485
Which is a flop by the standrads you Gunnbots set and used as an argument for how MoS was a "flop"

>>212711160
my brother in christ, he stands for truth justice and the american way. and what did lois say in return?

you’ll have to fight every politician in this country

>>212707828
>that SHOULD come up as part of a conflict in future movies as the scene with Rick Flag implies.
It will. Gunn announced the Kingdom Come storyline for this Superman when he first announced this universe. I don't know if all these retards forgot or something, but he very directly said so.

>>212701485
That's godawful.

>>212701401 (OP)
Gunn just can't be trusted to make a good flick. Its sad really, I can't believe he tried. This might be the worst movie I've ever seen, worse than Flash. I'm telling everyone I know not to watch it (I didn't pay for it, I streamed it only by some pajeets, if you want the link send me a (you))

>>212701437
So you compare Gunn's dick and fart jokes and simping with girlboss drunk Supergirl to Sam Raimi's Spiderman?
Sam raimi Spiderman was sincere while Gunn's Superman has a constant undertone of irony cause Gunn obvuíously is ashamed of the source material, like all his other capeshit films

>>212711151
synderjeets unironically believe altruism and empathy and kindness are not superman. we have had over a decade of discourse and conversation with these people. it is know.

>>212711239
I don't think it was worse than Flash, but it is worse than Superman 3 and 4.

>>212707208
Dumb fuck. The main difference is that the Raimi Spiderman movies are SINCERE and don't undercut every single emotional moment with dogshit juvenile humor.

>>212707414
Yeah it was so successful, they had to reboot the franchise completely once again.

>>212711151
It wasn't what he said that made him a retard here. It was his plan to just walk into his arch enemy's prison. He couldn't make a plan to save his life, and only survived by happenstance out of his control.

>>212709907
I'm seeing more people shit on the Snyderverse on here than supporting it.

>>212711265
Not worse than Superman 3, on the same level of 4

>>212708874
I'd rather have k-pop spam than the pederasts and indians on /tv/. NTA

>>212704892
>Just set 90% of the scenes in darkness
I was already having trouble watching The Batman. I'll have to bring reading glasses for Clayface.

>>212711279
I think that's the worst part of this shitshow. It tried ridiculously hard to be a Raimi movie but had zero understanding of how Raimi did it.

>>212709655
see >>212711231

>>212711231
I'll believe it when I see it.
And given this opening weekend I don't see it.

>>212701401 (OP)
>Terrible miscast for both Superman and Lex (picrel and Hoult was just terrible Lex)
>Terrible writing for both Superman and Lex (pussy ass bitch Superman and neurotic incel Lex are surely one of the least interesting or fun takes on those characters)
>Bad cinematographer choice, that most likely killed the movie (retarded camera spins, retarded fish eye lenses, retarded shaking camera etc)
>Shitty direction overall (just the way actors are acting, the way action was shot, the way it was edited etc)
>Shitty writing overall (sloppy plot line are all over the place)

Essentially all important components of the good, watchable movie were fucked.

Corenswet dont look like Superman and his voice dont sound like superman
He would work better as Spiderman

>>212711252
>Gunn's dick and fart jokes
I didn't hear any of those jokes. Lois did make fun of Guy Gardner's bowl cut. Some of the Daily Planet stuff was charming and reminded me of a Veep episode.

>Raimi Spiderman movies are SINCERE and don't undercut every single emotional moment with dogshit juvenile humor
Neither does Superman? Unless you're saying that having jokes undercuts emotion when Raimi's Spiderman quipped "I missed the part where that's my problem" about the goon that kills his fucking Uncle.

>>212711403
Also starting from act fucking 2.
Tell-don't-show everywhere.
None of the characters liked each other.
It was so fucking braindead it hurt.

>>212711409
it’s almost like clark is a big dork and nerd and kind of nebbish and decided of all jobs on the planet he chose to be a writer at a newspaper. and it’s almost like peter is a big dork and nerd and kind of nebbish and of all jobs he decided to become a photographer at a newspaper

>>212711419
That line in Spider-man wasn't a quip and it wasn't meant to be funny, dumbass.

>>212703412
>sincere
>Constant irony so Gunn can explain it away with "he he, I was only being ironic" as plan B if someone points out something they find silly

>>212711118
Anon, it literally is the New Avengers.

>>212711478
It's hilarious either way.

>>212711461
Superman is only this dorky in comics if the writer openly hates him. Whenever a decent writer who likes the character writes him, Superman is basically America's dad.

>>212710840
The comics dont have poop and meta jokes
The comics are sincere and not irionic, opr at least was, I refuse to read modder DC comics and wouldnt surprise me if Gunn took inspiration from modern woke DC comics instead of the classics he claim to be inspired from

>>212711491
people kept saying this and when I saw it, was expecting a fart joke or love & thunder undercutting of humour. but… there wasn’t any. like, seriously. did we see the same movie? I think the closest was “I’m not laying around I’m doing important stuff”.

don’t think I’ve ever seen a movie so consistently lied about before. which is weird, you just watch the movie, not a hard thing to do, and you’re like oh that was a lie. weird.

like I was half expecting Jonathon Kent to fart after Clark hugged him the way you guise talk

>>212710810
And we need him for what, exactly?

>"A lot of people want him to be able to punch a planet and break it in half. It makes him being in a world with other superheroes kind of irrelevant because. I didn't want a Superman that could make The Flash, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Green Lantern irrelevant"
The writing was on the wall. Gunn never wanted to explore a character like Superman and therefore turned him into something else.

For more than ten years they bashed MOS tone and boxoffice numbers only for the more joyous version to end up making less lmao but at least he smiled and had jokes...

>>212711399
Why else would he say so in the very first press announcement for this whole DCU? Why else would he give him a variation the Kingdom Come logo, if not to directly foreshadow what he already promised?

>>212711577
name exactly One (1) poop joke in Superman (2025) as written and directed by auteur James Gunn, produced by DC Studios & Warner Bros. Discovery.

>>212701401 (OP)
Well I can say it was better than Superman Returns.

>>212711616
He also whined like a bitch and everybody was fighting and arguing over something.
Man of Steel was considerably less depressing.

>>212701485
Minecraft was hot dog shit retard tier and it made a billion. Barbie made over a billion. Money isnt worth jack shit anymore.

>>212711622
That would depend on sequels actually happening and Sazlav letting it happen.

>>212711646
No one died on screen, except the leader of Boravia and M'Ali

>>212702315
Raimi movies had better sfx despite coming out 20 years ago. People have low effort slop fatigue

>>212711678
The sequel is already confirmed and all the other projects are still greenlit. This movie was in the bag when they locked photography outside of pickups a year ago.

>>212708807
>My saturday mnday cartoon must have men angry in the rain killing people
kek, teen

>>212702315
Gunn's Superman is a shit-tier Spiderman-at-home. He was out of his league trying.

>>212711588
While it wasnt as much fart jokes as usual, there was still irony
Irony is the sign of a coward ashamed of the material
While Sam Raimi talks passionatly about Spiderman comics from the 60s Gunn will be like "he he he, I was only being ironic" when he follows his wife to a normie fashion show or something
Hes not a legit nerd if he enjoys comics only on an iromic level

>>212711610
To spread hope and kindness to the filthy disgusting third world snyder monkeys

>>212711719
Yeah I'm sure they'll stay that way lmao

>>212711771
They will. The movie already made back its budget. Now it just has to break even next weekend

>>212711616
I dont see what so much more "joyous" just cause it has constant quips and brighter colors, desu
MoS wasnt more "dark" than The Avengers and Cap films,particularly Age of Ultron and Civil War

>>212711793
What is it with shills and not knowing how budgets work? It needs like another half billion to break even.

>>212711771
cope

>>212710219
All I see is irrational hate from peopel qho haven't seen it

>>212711719
The sequel is explicitly not confirmed

>>212711689
>ITS OK TO KILL AS LONG AS ITS NOT SHOWN ON SCREEN!
Just yesterday you guys said theres no scenario what so ever where Superman can kill

>>212711811
If anything the brighter colors provided contrast to the general meanspiritedness of the film.

>>212711846
https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/dc-movies/james-gunn-gives-cryptic-answer-when-asked-about-a-superman-sequel-and-im-pretty-sure-i-know-what-hes-hinting-at/

https://thedirect.com/article/superman-2-david-corenswet-first-dcu-sequel

The most entertaining thing about this film is all the aggresive shills who think they can convince people to watch a film by gaslighting and verbal attack
I will miss them when shill season is over

>>212711851
>Retard doesn't know how capeshit deaths work

>>212711894
Has shilling ever worked?

>>212709655
>Making superheroes gone to shit again
no thanks, that shit already flopped

>>212711461
>it’s almost like clark is a big dork and nerd and kind of nebbish and decided of all jobs on the planet he chose to be a writer at a newspaper.
Why would the church-going farmboy from a small town in Kansas want to become a reporter? Staying on the farm would've made him more endearing to the average person WORLD-WIDE.

>>212703741
No it will be another failure, Joker was lightning in a bottle and Joker 2 shows what kind of people WB and their associates really are. Clayface will be either some kind of Oscar bait artsy bullshit if Gunn let the project alone or some Troma horror show if Gunn decides to keep a close eye.

>>212711871
Gunn is more meanspirited than Snyder
Go watch Super and you will see his real worldview and also notice tracess of it in Guardians
Gunn's into splatter violence and laughing at people's misery

>>212711531
Imagine trying to argue Clark Kent isn’t the primordial nebbish nerd archetype which all nebbish nerd characters are based on, like peter parker. the character has existed for ninety years.

since you apparently love superman and are arguing the comics, I will discuss one of my favourite characterizations by one of your favourite writers, Grant Morrison. he is one of your favourites because his exact lines were used in man of steel during the flight scene. see, morrison asserted Clark became a huge fucking nerd after Jon Kent showed him the rocket ship he landed in. which blew Clark’s mind. imagine being told you’re an alien at the age of 12 but you have no idea where you came from or what you are. wouldn’t you become OBSESSED with science fiction? and space, and bullshit like the apollo landings and orbital telescopes? You’d start watching star trek and ask yourself, am I a Vulcan? And how does this obsession with science fiction manifest itself? you become a writer. you go to journalism school. you get a job as a staff writer at the paper of record, like Hemingway did. all so one day, as Morrison put it, you can write the great American novel.

why is Peter Parker a nerd? because Clark is a nerd. simple as.

>>212711882
Thats not a confirmation. Even Gunn says: uhhhhh define Superman 2

>>212711915
On 4chan? Probably not

>>212702315
>I watched the Sam Raimi trilogy for the first time half a year ago.
So you are either a kid or a third world barely getting online
Opinion discarded

>>212711954
You bet. He was never a good fit for Superman. It's like trying to get Joe Johnston to direct Spawn. It wouldn't fit.

>>212711939
see
>>212711966

>>212711979
If you want to play semantics I am not replying anymore you fucking faggot. The movie is coming no matter what form it takes.

>>212711915
OK, fuckhead, so Superman actually DIDNT kill that guy he pushed in BvS since it has superhero fiction laws of physics?

Will all the shills finally admit that Snyder won?

>>212712009
Even if it takes the form of another reboot?

>>212710477
You hated it because you haven't seen it
He isn't a manchild like in MoS

>>212707208
>Raimi fan
>10 at Spiderman

>>212712009
There. Will. Be. No. Direct. Sequel.

You get Clayface and Superskank. Those are the "sequels."

>>212712020
After their checks clear.

>>212711330
Of cours, Snydertards are few and just samefagging

>>212711954
This is true. Snyder is retarded but he's honest about his vision, Gunn is just trying to sell a product and it's pretty obvious, like a credit card ad trying to be wholesome.

>>212711966
Clark played football in highschool. Lana was his girlfriend. The guy's 6'5 and jacked with All-American looks. A nerd, he is not.

>>212712020
Not until WBD is bankrupt and whatever idiotic studio buys it announces his return

Which is a long way of saying never go fuck yourself snyderjeet

>>212710068
Another one who hasn't seen it

>>212701485
I’m legit stunned at how low IQ this place is. This guy says 144 million (literally where the fuck did he get that number from) and a bunch of retards respond to him. Just retards yelling at each other. The film made 220 opening weekend 125 domestic (good) and 95 overseas (very bad). OP’s premise is correct. But so many fucking idiots in the responses, holy shit this place is braindead.

>>212712051
Then we'll get a world's finest

>>212711527
It was ment to show Peter's arrogance and misstake which later lead to his guilt and sense of responsibility, dumbass
Christ, and you guys are the ones compllaining about lack of depth, yet you cant understand it

>>212712122
Ignore him. He knows this and refuses to acknowledge the fact that they have contracts to fulfill

What are the chances Zaslav dumps Gunn after Supergirl flops too?

>>212710507
Snyderverse never ever

>>212712122
pattinson and david would unironically net wb a billion at the box office they'd be retarded not to

>>212712158
If this movie made 4 billion in hour one of preview screenings you would still call it a flop. Jesus Christ.

>>212711992
I'm 30 and live in Chicago. Was more into Star Wars and LotR than capeshit when I was younger and just took a while getting around to it.

>>212701401 (OP)
>lack of star power?
It's not that. Who was Reeve before Superman? Hackman wasn't a good Lex. Brando was in it for 2 minutes.

>>212712089
and yet that quarterback objectively either got an english or journalism degree and became a writer. there are some things which are inarguable and absolute. type all you want, give me all the (You)s and I’ll give them back all you want. even your synderman chose a job at the daily planet

>>212711754
Oh, so you are one of those who complain about "transphobia"? I dont need Superman then

>>212712190
Cry harder.

>>212712204
Nta I get you are trolling but you are a jackass.

>>212701437
I wanted this too un-jade me. Then Gunn said "It's political " and that hope was right out the window.

>>212712128
I know what the line was conveying. But the delivery is side-destroyingly cheesy.

>>212712231
Why would I be upset?

>>212712203
>and yet that quarterback objectively either got an english or journalism degree and became a writer.
Journalists are notorious scumfucks. Why make your big hero into that?

>>212712237
The new Superman is exactly as political as Superman was in the 1930s. Which is to say it's total liberal American propaganda.

All this yapping about Raimi Spiderman has motivated me to see Spiderman for some real capekino, instead of paying money for gunn's slop (Ive already seen the cam-rip)

>>212712265
Journalism was big in 1938 and still is today. That's why.

>>212702254
Naw. People are going to the theater less because most movies are complete shit post-covid. Avatar 3 doing 3 billion plus will prove this.

>>212712190
It's dead internationally... Fantastic Four is right around the corner and that'll finish it domestically. Its over pal

>>212712265
because they go to school and read books and get degrees in writing

*shrugs*

>>212712194
Even giving you a TREMENDOUS benefit of the doubt that youre not brown, that makes you a huge flamming faggot weirdo

>>212712253
He's trolling. Also a jackass. He will say anything tell any lie anything to upset you. He's a jackass. They are like gnats. Top gun 2 had them. They actually enjoy you insulting them. Subhuman creatures. Nothing is serious until they want it to be

>>212710840
snydershitter can't evern read comics. I doubt the would be able to read a book. it has no pictures

>>212712294
Joe Shuster and jerry Seigel wasnt pro-trans and while Superman fought nazis, I Highly doubt it they were communist
30s Superman fought racial caricatures of Japs
Why would the symbol of male selfsacrifice and hard work be pro-trans?

>>212712089
Isn't this Byrn's run? The Man of Steel, that was pretty good. Shame DC reboot their universe so often, it's a fucking mess to know what is the current Superman origin story and current setting, last time I read his son was a gay after spending 10 years being tortured by Darkseid

>>212712298
>Journalism was big in 1938 and still is today
Not newspapers, bro. And people think journalists are scummy anyway. Keeping him on the farm would've helped him resonate with people around the world, especially those of humble backgrounds.

>>212712194
Ignore the first reply. I love you anon. I love you and think you're a beautiful person.

>>212702315
Yeah its like Spider-man 3 with the cast being bloated and the plot unfocused also there was no scene like pic related because Gunnpedo doesn't like America

>>212712385
I get the paper on my doorstep every day. I sell newspapers at my store every day.

>>212712382
>last time I read his son was a gay after spending 10 years being tortured by Darkseid
It was Superman's evil counterpart from another universe where the good guys are evil and the bad guys are cool.

>>212712399
Name one scene, detail, or line of dialogue in Superman that doesn't either have an explanation within the film or get paid off within the film... in a manner similar to Spider-Man 3

>>212712382
Byrne is banned from mainstream comics for being a "transphobe"
A libtard hes not

>>212712423
>I get the paper on my doorstep every day. I sell newspapers at my store every day.
Bro, don't even. Nobody but a handful of oldheads read newspapers anymore. The rest of the oldheads just watch TV news. Everybody else just uses their phones.

>>212710929
the movie is not woke and people hating it clearly haven't seen it because they are regurgitating shitty talking points that never happened

>>212712491
Get a job, nigger.

>>212712385
I think the ultimate form of the synderjeet is arguing the entire character of Clark Kent needs to be entirely rewritten from the ground up since the actual great depression. the damage synder has inflicted on the kryptonian is self evident and profound

>>212712370
>trans
There's no mention of trans in the Gunn movie either.
>socialism
The Justice Gang is a private superhero contractor so I don't think Gunn's movie is socialist.

Don't know the political leanings of Joe Shuster and Jerry Seigal but what is interesting is at the time, the New York City mayor was a Republican socialist. He was also a popular dude, they named an airport after him.

lol, all these libtards assuming 30s superhero comics was leftwing
Nazism wasnt even concidered rightwing back then
Hitler was inspired by socialism

>Lois watches Mr Terrific taking down Lex's goons. When it's over, she's breathing heavy and says "holy shit"
>She gets into his ship and immediately says that she's been thinking about breaking up with Clark
What did they mean by this?

>>212712633
Gunn has promised troon inclusion in the future and his rambling about "lack of kindness" obviously is a comment on Trump's and other's "transphobia"
Gunn is openly liberal and anti-Trump, you dumb fuck

>>212712194
Fucking kill yourself
DO IT YOU PUSSY
WORTHLESS CHILDLESS FUCK

>>212712194
70-80s Star Wars or recent Disney crap?
LoTR films or the recent crap tv show?

>>212712763
>Gunn is openly liberal and anti-Trump
No shit. I'm openly liberal and anti-Trump. If that mere fact triggers you into reflexively disagreeing with every other opinion I have, then you're exactly the retarded MIGA stereotype libs make fun of.

>>212712950
>70-80s Star Wars or recent Disney crap?
>LoTR films or the recent crap tv show?
Do the math anon. I'm 30 in the year 2025. What Star Wars and Lord of the Rings movies would have been blowing up when I was a kid in the 2000s?

>>212713093
Oh, so you are into crap Star Wars then? Opinion not relevant then

Directors with this "made for modern audiences" profile only alienate the audience, the humor is bad, visually the heroes are ridiculous, the heroines should be hot, in shape and they are not. Supergirl and Hawkgirl are in bad shape, it's a fucking superhero movie, it's not Scooby Doo. This genre demands actors in fantastic shape showing off their fantastic shape and Gunn will never understand that, in the MCU sexy women will never have a chance and this Superman only pleases normies, Super fragile Superman doesn't sell

>>212712970
And joe Shuster and Jerry Seigel clearly wasnt troon-enablers
Superman cant be both a symbol for male hard work, responsibilty and selfsacrifice and be pro-trans
Case closed

>>212711145
You retards see the actual Superman and take it as a personal insult. You just proved that snydershit was the opposite o waht people wanted.
Good riddance, you fucking apologists of dead universally rejected flicks. Move on alreaty

>>212712970
From:
>SUPERMANIS LIBERAL AND ALWAYS WAS, YOU ARE NOT A REAL SUPERMAN FAN IF YOU AINT WOKE!
To:
>WHERS THE LIBERALISM IN SUPERMAN?!
And later:
>IM OPENLY LIBERAL AND IF THAT TRIGGERS YOU I DONT CARE!
What are we even arguing about here?

>>212711524
it doesn't say avengers in the title

>>212713291
Jokes on you, i saw the cam-rip
The actuall Superman isnt some troon enabler
The "real" Superman is as conformist and lives as functionalist lifestyle as it gets when hes Clark Kent, hes not exactlly "punk rock"
But oh, I get it, men should live that same functionalist, conformist hard worker lifestyle unless they mutilate themselves, only then it becomes "not kind" to demand that a male mature, do hard work and be productive for sovciety?
Fuck off with your hypocritical liberal values
I dont care if not simping for grown mutilated men makes me a "transphobe" or "not kind"

>>212713291
Why dont you demand cancelation of Waller and John cenas as Peacemaker if you wanted to move on?
MCU should have been cancelled already seven years ago?

>>212713291
This is not how you shill
But go on, you are entertaining

>>212710316
He's a whiny retard at the beginning and a whiny retard at the end. There's no character growth or hero's journey to speak of lmao. You're grasping at straws now

>>212711279
and so is Superman

>>212713877
Kill yourself you aren't interested in discussing anything. Yuri Bezmenov was right.