Thread 212702743

Fellow Snydercels, don't downplay the box office and critical success of Superman (2025). Let's just take this L for now and regroup.

>one of the most iconic pop cultural icons in American history
>children's comic that teaches kids the virtue of moral selflessness
>let's fucking adapt it into a fucking War of the Worlds movie with Dune lore
Snydercels piss me off with how utterly tasteless they are. I enjoy Superman. I enjoy Dune. The two IPs are tonally and thematically nothing alike. If you don't want to make a movie that feels like a comic book, why the fuck did you decide to adapt a comic book?

>>212703185
And Superman is a poor adaptation of Moses. If you don't want to make a movie that feels like the bible, why the fuck did you decide to adapt the bible?

>>212703185
>>212703349

The Creators purposed Superman as a dark Knight who terrorized corrupt Wall street Tycoon types who caused the great depression.

Be Gone with your sissification of their Vision!!!!

>>212703349
Yeah, a couple Jews wanted to adapt Moses into a more contemporary and lighthearted context. That's why they invented a more suitable character as a vehicle for the different tone they wanted their story to convey. If they just wanted to tell the story straight they would have made the Ten Commandments. Swear to god, some of you idiots understanding nothing about storytelling.

>>212702743 (OP)
I unironically think Man of Steel would trounce Superman 2025 if it released today. Third worlders LOVE dark and gritty shit, access to American films is a lot more prevalent in the global south nowadays as well

>>212703349
This is the new RLM take that has 0 weight whatsoever. Moses does not rise from the dead, Christ does. Literally in the same vein as superman.

The monkeys over at the snyderjeet farms have got the internet running scared

Almost like Superman actually is bombing

>>212703560
1) Superman is still presented as a wholesome do-gooder kids can look up to. He was just written by Keynesians instead of Reaganites.

2) How the fuck does MoS Zod represent corrupt Wall Street tycoons?

>>212703185
fpbp

>>212703185
>cavill's superman is immoral
Why do gunnjeets never know what theyre talking about? How is this even an implication that Clark is immoral?

>>212703626
There was no metaphor for resurrection or rebirth in this Superman movie. I don't even recall Man of Steel having one. Snyder just used a lot of superficial Jesus iconography because he's a hack.

>>212703706
>>212703754
>Muh Reeve save kitties from trees? He a good boy who never threatened the bad guys

>>212703771
He didn't save any kittens in trees

>>212703771
Clark/Superman's characterization is the least bad thing about Man of Steel. He's a bit cold, but I think Snyder mostly got it right. It's everything else that pisses me off.

>>212702743 (OP)
>L
MoS Opening weekend: 128m
Superman 2025 opening weekend: 123m
Not adjusting for inflation which makes 128m like 150-160m
Snydergods we FUARKING WON.

>>212702743 (OP)
Box office I can get and expect a tap out of around 500 mil at best, but what's the play about downplaying the critical and audience reception?

>>212703920
Jonathan Kent in Man of Steel is by far more real than any iterate of Jonathan Kent. Every Jonathan Kent Behaves as if they read the Superman wiki.

>>212703953
Indeed

>>212702743 (OP)
MoS had a better opening weekend

>>212703839
Okay, and in the new movie Superman does the same thing to the President of Boravia. You don't even know the fucking movie you're complaining about.

>>212703984
*Iteration

>>212703957
Outside of autistic faggots like mark waid most people love MoS.

>>212703920
There were a few bad oversights basically, not deliberate character assassination or anything but they simply failed to understand the implications of their setpieces
>Clark has zero guilt or self reflection about how HE was the guy that brought the fight away from sparsely populated farmland and into Smallville
>not all that sad or angry over seeing the ruins of Metropolis which killed thousands
Like the movie improves massively if Clark has some guilt over Smallville and his rage when Zod reveals himself as still alive and still there is really present but he's containing it so he can try and talk some sense into his foe.

>>212704042
Anon, I was talking about the unfair critiquing of MOS. Not once did I mention Gunn Superman.

>>212704059
What shows this? I never got the impressions audiences hated the film but nor did general audience really love it either. It sort of got an indifference from them after a certain point

>>212704087
>Because when men fight they're so in tuned with their surroundings.

how many seethe threads do we need about one movie

>>212704133
The movie made 670 Million, anon. So!e among the General audiences, and least we forget, rhe Muh Reeve Saves Kitties From Trees stans, aka, the smooth brained incorrigible morons, were the only exceptions.

>>212704198
The moronic nincompoop who hates the greatest Iteration of Superman there ever was, Man Of Steel, can't help but to attack Snyder Bros!

>>212704129
Both that comic panel and the new movie are tonally way different from Man of Steel. I don't know how you can't see that. It's like trying to say Veggie Tales and Passion of the Christ are going for the same vibe.

>>212704584
Man of Steel is an iteration, Anon! The Superman mythos has had several Iterations over the years. You can say the choices they made and the liberties they took you strongly disagree with, but none of you can arrest a legitimate issue with Man of Steel.

>>212703779
Anon the story of superman is literally also the story of the resurrection is what I am saying. Which is more aligned to the story of Christ, not Moses. Which that anon was saying

>>212704087
I do believe all that weight is seen in the second film. He literally has to call his mom in the middle of his sleep for comfort from all the stress. He even CHOOSES to hike up a death valley mountain, to reflect on everything too. Including the passing of his father which is at the summits peak. I think those 2 scenes in BvS alone capture a more human Clark that has even been explored before.

Only things I didn't like about MoS:
>The dad for some reason volunteering to go save the dog instead of letting Clarke do it, leading to the famous "stop, my invincible son" line.
It's also stupid that he denied Clarke from running to save him. He was about 150m away, Clarke just needed maybe 8 seconds to get there. That's like 1.6 times faster than Usain Bolt, nobody everyone would notice it's pretty fast but not so much like a speeding bullet where somebody during a hurricane would say "that's INSANE"

>What was I supposed to do. Just let them die?
>"Maybe"

>>212703771
He let his own father die then snapped a guy's neck a few days later

>>212703779
then you must have missed the "he died for our sins" in BvS and "the second coming of Christ" in ZSJL

>>212704720
I am not doubting that over 100 years of Superman comics there are some stories with a resurrection theme or metaphor in them. I am stating that
1) The original Superman story is not about that, though I can see why one might be tempted to adapt Superman into a Christ allegory.


2) Man of Steel specifically does not have a resurrection metaphor. It uses a lot of superficial iconography, but it forgets to depict the actual resurrection event. Superman doesn't die or have a near death experience that he comes back from. Which is hilarious because the Phantom Zone is RIGHT FUCKING THERE and despite trying to push the Jesus allegory so hard Snyder never thinks to himself "ya know, Superman being banished to and then coming back from the Phantom Zone would be a great way to work in the resurrection metaphor". Because Snyder is a total hack who doesn't know how to write a good story.

>>212704987
>Anon the story of superman is literally also the story of the resurrection
No it isn't. Where's the rebirth? I can see the immaculate conception and birth of Christ allegory. I do not see a rebirth metaphor in either Superman or Man of Steel.

>>212705336
I never watched either of those movies. I was out after Man of Steel.

>>212705439
Lmao not reading all that. Summarize your point in 10 worda or less.

>>212705439
the Jesus metaphor is quite popular with Superman though. Even Superman returns had it. There's nothing wrong with potraying Clark like that, his power is godly and his love for mankind is unparallel

>>212705439
BvS Ultimate Edition is actually what I would define as kino (a serious film that has prophetic dream sequences). The only thing I'd change is remove a single sequel-bait scene advertising the Justice League. Also remove product placement lol. I recommend it anyway if you want to watch well-framed cinema.

>>212703771
>>cavill's superman is immoral
nobody said this
what's wrong with you?

>>212705536
BvS can never be kino while it has Gal Gadot and Jesse Eisenberg in it. Those remain two of the most baffling casting decisions in capeslop history.

>>212702743 (OP)
Fuck you shill faggot, I wanna go to fucking war and I'll escalate however the fuck I want to

Zaslav could've made everyone happy and kept the DCEU as is and let Snyder tell his story but he decided to be a faggot Jew and abandon it for pure wokeslop mass appeal shit with the most soii "filmmaker" since Whedon

>>212705620
schizo Luthor had some kino scene though
>Ancient Kryptonian deformity
>Blood of my blood
>Born to destroy you
>Your Doomsday

Wouldn't it have made more sense for you guys to focus on making Rebel Moon and the zombie franchise a success? That would have actually helped Snyder more than monomanically trying to get him back doing superman.

>>212705874
I think they all know on some level that Zack's original movies are going to be trash. He's not capable of coming up with something good whole cloth. All of this shitposting is just console war bellyaching because the Marvel "style" won out and DC is just making Marvel movies now.

Snyder is literally mentally challenged and I think most of the jeet know this deep down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc

>>212705237
This is becoming such a filtering and pleb opinion and take for that scene that even responding to it is becoming as unneeded.

>>212705584
An anon in this thread suggested that Snyder didnt understand the morality of superman in the comics.

>>212706017
>becoming as unneeded

Yes saar do the needful and dont respond to bloody basterd bitc saars good morning

>>212703608
As a non-american, I agree. It's a shame that whole approach got kneecapped by Comic Book Guys™ along with a vendetta by american political types who see people like Snyder or Bay as "Republican-coded".

>>212706059
>An anon in this thread suggested
Where?

>>212705336
Okay I read the plot synopsis on wikipedia
>"Superman, already weakened by kryptonite exposure, is fatally wounded by the creature before it dies."
>"A memorial is held for Superman in Metropolis, while Bruce and Diana attend a funeral for Clark, who was also declared dead. Martha gives Lois an envelope containing an engagement ring from Clark. Bruce tells Diana that he regrets failing Superman and asks for her help in forming a team of metahumans to protect Earth in Superman's absence. As they leave, the dirt atop Clark's coffin levitates."
Okay fine. In the movie where Batman and Superman stop fighting each other because their mothers are both named "Martha", there is a genuine resurrection allegory.

>>212705527
>the Jesus metaphor is quite popular with Superman though
Yeah, because it's obvious. When something is that obvious, you should figure out a unique angle. Like I don't know, maybe Superman dies while he's Clark Kent because Jesus presented himself as a humble carpenter.
>>212705536
>BvS Ultimate Edition is actually what I would define as kino (a serious film that has prophetic dream sequences).
Fucking everything has a prophetic dream sequence. It's one of the most well-worn storytelling contrivances. Dune has prophetic dream sequences. Final Destination has prophetic dream sequences. Fucking Digimon, an animated children's cartoon designed to sell toy merchandise, has a prophetic dream sequence. I'm playing Expedition 33 right now and THAT has prophetic dream sequences. Merely having a prophetic dream sequence does not make a film original or sophisticated in any way.

>>212706009
>DC is just making Marvel movies now.
I personally prefer Gunn's two DC movies to anything non-Gunn by Marvel. he knows how to inject more desperately needed edginess without forgetting the characters, its more like Raimi Spiderman or the Kickass movie.

the MCU always felt like processed food while Synder DC was a deafening monochromatic nightmare. the happy medium was a long time coming.

>>212702743 (OP)
YOU BENCHOD BASTARD FUCK YOU FOR OFFENDING THE GENIUS OF SNYDER

>>212706009
I can't stand any of his movies, but a lot of directors are chronically sleep-deprived and I think that's what we're seeing here.

>>212706210
now read the plot of Snyder's Justice League to see the actual resurrection scene. bonus Batman spreading Superman's belief around like a gospel

>>212704129
Why couldn't this be Bizarro again? Give him more focus and get rid of the city destroying dimensional rift

>>212706406
but Ultraman is Bizarro

>>212706295
I actually wish there was a genuine thriving Snyder cult subreddit after seeing faggot youtubers do clickbait videos like 'saddest subreddit of all time' and all it is if a few unhinged posts with ZERO upvotes. Snydersimpery exists for sure but I'd love to see an authentic area where they congregate and spout of their insane bullshit and cringekino without a hint of irony

>>212706469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2EnKkP6UNM

>>212706469
You're in it, it is here on 4chan. Any defender of the Snyder capeshit is in that cult and drinking that kool aid. If you disagree you're part of them.

>>212706441
He's barely a character, this is like calling some mute alien strongman who could go toe to toe with Superman Zod

>>212702743 (OP)
The snyderverse is never coming back. The DCU under James gunn and Safran is here to stay. Snyderjeets need to accept this reality.

>>212706469
>Snydersimpery exists for sure
or, Snyder is just paying for online botting and astroturfing like the Gunn movie implies. which is the most plausible explanation, hmm.

>>212706625
Ultraman in this movie is basically Non. it's not a problem at all that he's an apparently mindness abomination, the point is to be an extension of Lex.

Corenswet actually managed to make him quite creepy given his minimal screen time.

>>212706704
or, or, James Gunn is paying for online botting and astroturfing against Snyder, like his own films implied? which is also a plausible explanation, especially when the man is owning an entire studio

>>212706395
>now read the plot of Snyder's Justice League to see the actual resurrection scene
No.

>>212706406
He could come back as bizarro tho. This movie already has too many characters so it's just a way to put Lex in the focus.

>>212706788
why would Gunn be paying for threads that attack the profitability of his own movie? there are as many man of steel threads in the catalogue as for the current film.

>not a jeet
>not a Snyder simp
>liked the Man of Steel trilogy anyway
>not bothered about the Snyderverse continuing
I enjoyed what I got.

>>212706139
See
>>212705237
>>212703185

>>212703608
You're unironically retarded.

>>212707505
That's two separate anons (I'm the second one). I'm also THIS >>212703920 anon. I believe Snyder/Cavill's Clark is a noble and virtuous person, but Snyder's clumsy writing accidentally makes him seem aloof because he didn't think through the implications of his action set pieces. Superman and Zod level half of Metropolis in their fight. Thousands of people die. You can't just rule of cool that away when you're the director who think he's deep enough to make a Jesus allegory. It's lazy writing from a guy who doesn't think through how his "hype and aura" moments connect with each other.

>>212707248
Nolan and Goyer made mos, Snyder had nothing to do with it

>>212702743 (OP)
Can you brown zoomer retards go shit up the internet elsewhere?