Why isn't this considered capeshit?

OP is considered a faggot

>>212717713 (OP)
Just a bad awkward movie. Not even batman

Overrated capeshit. Hardly even a batman movie

>>212717713 (OP)
Because its kino

>>212717815
Then it's not cape

>>212717713 (OP)
I'm glad the consensus of this film is finally souring.

>>212717713 (OP)
Today’s comic book movies are exactly that, comic book movies. The Dark Knight is a graphic novel movie. Huge difference. The movie literally changed The Academy Awards nominations categories forever.

>>212717713 (OP)
Batman Begins is the true capekino of the 3

>>212718152
It’s excellent but no.

>>212717713 (OP)
This is the film that turned the Joker into the American Hamlet. It is considered capeshit but it is one of the very few capeshit films that is a good movie and not just good for capeshit.

>>212718152
yep

>>212717713 (OP)
The Academy felt so bad about jilting Legend out of his well-deserved Gay Cowboy Oscar that they lavished praise on this poorly written hunk of shit movie and gave him a posthumous Oscar for it.

>>212717713 (OP)
It’s the capeshittiest of capeshit. Fucking unbelieveable how praised it is.

>>212718137

>>212718197
BRAVO NOLANSPEARE

>>212717713 (OP)
Ledger elevated it beyond capeshit

>>212718249
That doesn’t hold any water. Oscar buzz surrounding his performance started before the movie was released.

>>212718313
To be duplicated yet again by Joaquin Phoenix.

>>212718249
Leadger's Gay Cowboy performance also gave us the funniest Westboro Baptist video of all time:
https://youtu.be/QrJFK8O4Dyg?si=3w5POAe8mvC60bMj

>>212717713 (OP)
Batman always gets a capeshit pass for some reason

>>212718437
>panty pack

>>212718328
Because he was blatantly robbed for Brokeback Mountain, because the Academy thought Best Actor for buttfuck cowboy movie would destroy their viewership.
He could have made something even dumber than TDK and still won that year. Dying made it a sure thing.

>>212717713 (OP)
doesnt have a superhero in the title

>>212718152
Too much Bourne close-up fighting.

>>212718328
Because he died before the movie released

>>212717713 (OP)
More of an action thriller with some wacky costumes.

"it's a ____ movie with a Batman coat of paint"
or
"they FINALLY did a dark, gritty/realistic take on Batman"
(Star Wars next?)

>>212717713 (OP)
Because its not shit. Its capekino.

>>212717713 (OP)
Because Batman is the only non-lame/gay super hero

>>212717713 (OP)
There's no whimsy, the actor's terrible, Gotham's just Chicago, there's an excessive amount of drawn-out one-on-ones and the Joker's just a suicidal faggot with paint on his face

>>212718720
All 3 had that

>>212717713 (OP)
Cos it's heavily 9/11 terrorism coded

>>212719251
>whimsy
this is the correct word, i reckon. i like Tim Burton's urban fairytale Gotham. there's a way to handle it without it being 'camp'. you don't have to make it tacticool or even 'epic'.

just take a neon-in-darkness real-life city--copy Tokyo or somewhere--give it a red sky and a few broken signs. everyone's a bit mad. but the characters are earnest and the, "heh." ironic quips are dialled down to a minimum.

Gotham was a good show.

>>212719404
Even the Batman had whimsy with the shadowy rain-soaked city and the exaggerated thugs.

>>212719251
Gotham is New York City and Heath Ledger's Joker is the best thing capeshit has ever produced.

Gotta hand it to Nolan, it takes some real talent to make Batman boring as hell

>why isn’t [good thing] considered [bad thing]

Just rangeban india

>>212717713 (OP)
Superhero movies had a different vibe pre-Avengers where they were just one flavor of summer blockbuster instead of an all-encompassing science fantasy soup that squeezed out everything else.

>>212719911
They used to have sovl

>>212717713 (OP)
Becuase it is capekino

>>212719527
No you retard, Gotham's Chicago in that movie. Cowboy Faggot deserved to die and his death is the only thing that made his last performance noteworthy because it's terrible compared to Nicholson or Romero

>>212717713 (OP)
That's a film

>>212719377
Nolan came out as pro-patriot act

>>212717780
It's still the best Batman movie, no question

>>212717713 (OP)
it is
>*stthhh "getting caaaught is all" *sTTHHH "According to my kplan batman"
>according to k-plan
>all according to keikaku
scratch that
its a really shitty anime actually

>>212717713 (OP)
It's a good movie, for starters. The only thing I don't like is the effect used for Dent.

>>212720630
In what way?

>>212720763
In every way. It's pretty much the only cape flick I can think of that received support (with evidence) from respected veteran directors.

>>212720630
Not a chance... Batman 2022 is the best.

>>212718089
Out of zoomer contrarianism more than anything else. But what was once counter-culture as an emerging zeitgeist among Gen X and Millennials has become anti-culture with Gen Z.
Had it not been acclaimed in any way or been a box office bomb, people wouldn't be afraid to admit its strong sides.

>>212717713 (OP)
Because IT'S A FUCKING BATMAN MOVIE. You low IQ child. IT'S FUCKING BATMAN.

>>212717713 (OP)
Because it plays more like a crime thriller. Nolan was influenced by Heat.

>>212717780
Correct. Begins is OK, still doesn't feel like Batman, but its ok.

>>212721204
It still doesn't feel like my specific idea of Batman that was shaped by whatever Batman media I grew up with*
FTFY

>>212717713 (OP)
Because it's still a good movie outside of just being a superhero flick. It's like Kotor and Star Wars.
t. someone who is largely not interested in the genre now

>>212720805
>every way
Sounds unrealistically generous for one of the shittiest iterations of Batman.
>because crusty old insiders like it, I do too
Are you a retard with no opinion of his own or something?

>>212721391
My opinion perfectly aligns with theirs. It's still one of the best theater experiences I've had with this type of movie.

>>212721237
LOSER

>>212719251
>whimsy
I hate Americans so much

>>212717713 (OP)
Catwoman wasn't naked enough for my taste.

>>212721486
You can't be a loser or a winner based on what pasttime media you consumed as a kid, retard

>>212721468
>My opinion perfectly aligns with theirs.
So you're a mongoloid who values other peoples' opinions
>Because I saw it on a big screen and heard loud noises in my ear I like this terrible movie

>

>>212721524
I'm not a retarded subhuman, if I was I'd love this movie

Zoomer nihilistic contrarianism again

>>212721618
>I'm not a retarded subhuman
You clearly are
>I need every movie to be like American pie, throw in as many fart jokes as you can

>>212719552
This, but with Matt Reeves. Especially in lieu with the alright Planet of the Apes movies.

>>212721690
Nice strawmanning you mental midget. I'm not sorry I figuratively shat in your soup for telling you this movie's objectively boring, dull and terrible. It's like it's ashamed of the material it's covering so they surgically removed anything that makes Batman enjoyable by playing it straight

>>212721810
Calling me a mental midget with your primary complaint being that it wasn't juvenile enough isn't going to work. You just lack taste and style.

>>212721852
Calling you a mental midget is too generous you uppity tard. You like garbage and you feel no shame

>You see if I make a movie about Joker being a lonely incel...nobody panics because it's all part of the plan
>But if I say one little old Joker gets raped
>WELL /tv/ LOSES THEIR MINDS!

>>212721891
>says the cargo shorts wearing fat faggot who unrionically wants more juvenile garbage inserted into a premise that already stretches the suspension of disbelief paper thin
Again, you just have shit taste.

>>212718388
Absolutely not. That was Arthur Fleck in Taxi Driver. Nothing Joker about it.

>>212721952
>Keeps projecting and strawmanning because he knows he's wrong and can't refute it
If I see you eating shit, don't get offended if I point it out to you.

>>212718035
you're right, it's worse. It's just shit

>>212722008
How can I be wrong when you're overtly part of the reason most modern movies are shit? You wouldn't know quality if it hit you in the face, you want low effort trashy cinema

>>212722054
You're wrong because you love a terrible Batman movie that's a Batman movie in name only. If you hate the "juvenile shit" as you put it you don't have a lot left. Just a boring cunt in a tank having an intimate conversation with a gay man in face paint

>>212722128
I simply have better taste than you and that's that. No need to make a song and dance about it. Go watch your gay "whimsy" manchild shit.

>>212722187
You simply think that making a story about a man dressed as a bat should be anything other than what it is. Which is a fucking retarded idea

>>212717713 (OP)
it's cape kino, although the one with robocop as the VA remains the best

>>212722230
>I'm so embarrassed by this tactical costume with two bat-like ears differentiating it from a regular tacticool armor, I now need the movie to be as juvenile as humanly possible
Again, you just enjoy watching shit a 5 year old would prefer. Sorry for not having the same toddler mentality and for having some standards.

>>212722304
>Fuck this fantastical superhero story derived from kids' comics, I want it as boring, dry and grounded as possible
You understand how ironic it is that you think a childrens' character should be as adult and uninteresting as possible, right?

>>212722433
Of course someone with a child's mentality would find it boring.
A child who grew up on, and expected nonsense like pic related would find The Long Halloween or The Killing Joke boring too. Any progress that was made to elevate comics or comic book films to be enjoyable for adults (or even just mature children) was made in spite of Peter Pans like you.

>>212717713 (OP)
because it's capekino

>>212720835
Unironically BvS

>>212722536
Batman's a childrens' character in every sense of the word, tard boy, no matter how edgy he got. I know because I was reading it indiscriminately as a kid no matter how """adult""" it got. Faggots like you who think Batman's an adult character are fucking retards. Adults like Batman because they used to be kids who liked Batman, that doesn't make Batman any less of a childrens' character. "Elevating" comics is an excuse manchildren make so they can keep reading about the same character without feeling too ashamed

>>212722684
That argument doesn't hold any weight when you consider that even actual children often prefer stories that aren't afraid to explore themes that aren't two dimensional and have depth to them.
You're just a manchild who is afraid of actual sincerity, and you're allergic to art that takes itself seriously without the need to apologize by joking with itself every 2 seconds.
Lowest common denominator slop was tailor made for bumpkins like you, to clap with your diabeetus fins like a seal in a packed theatre of mouth breathers.

>>212718328
Yeah it started the minute he died, which should tell you that it was circumstantial and not because he was actually the best actor.

And as someone who was there, I can tell you: the reaction to the brief glimpses we'd seen of Ledger's joker prior to his death were actually similar to how people reacted to Leto's Joker a decade later. The edgy look and the fact that he had method acted were considered overkill for a comic book movie... right up until he died and then suddenly it became "wow, this portrayal of the joker must actually be really dark and gritty"

>>212722823
I had no idea he died and I don't even think I knew who the actor was, but it was a memorable performance because nothing like it had ever been done before, or arguably since.

>>212722820
Like I said, I read the edgy shit as a kid and thought it was cool. The fact that the "adult" material also appeals to children shows that no matter the amount of gore or """""difficult themes"""""" that Batman tackles, he's still a childrens' character who's also enjoyed by adults largely out of nostalgia.
Divorcing yourself from the kiddyness of Batman is delusional because it's all the same shit.
>allergic to art that takes itself seriously without the need to apologize
That's the funniest kind of visual art, you pretentious faggot. Batman "taking himself seriously" is a hilarous oxymoron.

>>212722993
You're just more easily amused and entertained than the average adult is, since you're a manchild, hence why you need films to be dumbed down and stripped of any semblance of depth. You're in denial about it of course, but your taste of lack thereof betrays the veneer that you're totally a mature person with refined taste, and that's why you seek juvenile content. It's a small miracle media can get past any censorship even today, with people like you around, but it boils down to not everyone having Peter Pan syndrome.

>>212723152
I'm just more honest and transparent about what I like about Batman, and I don't have to lie to myself about how if I only like "serious" Batman I'm allowed to shamelessly enjoy him. If you want Batman with no self-awareness or jokes you need to find a different character because Batman himself is a visual gag

>>212723246
>I'm just more honest that I enjoy more simplified, childish takes on things that can, and have been interpreted in a variety of ways
Cool, that's not my problem and I can't relate. In the meantime I'll seek out media that doesn't exclusively target mouth breathers.

>>212723377
So you're gonna take my advice and stop watching Batman altogether, you hypocritical retard?

>>212723424
No, I'll just avoid the Batman movies where he turns into a buzzsaw and goes on a trek through the woods with Elsa from Frozen to find orange slices. Keep coping though.

>>212723483
So you're gonna be a hypocritical pseud who only likes the """""adult"""""" Batman, which doesn't exist?

>>212722993
The taking itself seriously argument is true though. Pretty much all the comics that are worthwhile did that. From the wholesome All Star Superman to the edgy TDKR.

cause its actual cinema. the fact that I saw a bunch of film classes require it for viewing in college says how well it was done

>>212723509
If you can't differentiate a movie like the Dark Knight from something like The Brave and the Bold, you're either disingenuous or just stupid.

>>212723522
I'm saying that dividing it is pointless because ultimately it's all something primarily kids will enjoy, either for its edginess or for the campiness.

>>212723559
It's just a shitty ripoff of Heat

>>212723585
If you can't get it through your skull that any media about a man dressed as a bat is fundamentally silly you're delusional

>>212723522
Obviously they did that. There's plenty of comics that are mature, but that anon is stuck on a very particular Saturday Morning Cartoon approach he prefers because it scratches a nostalgic childish itch. The issue is that most movies in general have now been sloppified for a similar reason, and I'm not talking about capes exclusively at all.

>>212723598
>I'm not saying you should separate well written media from poorly written media, all of it should be slop

>>212723640
>PLEASE JUST LET IT BE SILLY PLEEEEAAAASE
Just watch your kid shit in the corner and enjoy it. I'll watch a film about a serial killer in a bat costume because I'm bored of the alternative.

>>212723657
And those """"mature""""" comics are about childrens' characters and enjoyed by children. Sucking Nolan's dick for making Boringman now for "Adults" is delusional because kids fucking loved that movie too

>>212718089
It's still the 2nd best Batman outside of the original Keaton film
>The Batman
Fuck off

>>212723724
Good on those kids then, for being able to enjoy something that has more depth than a Saturday Morning cartoon where half the runtime is Batman stopping Lex Luthor from stealing 40 cakes.

>>212723681
Nice strawman. Batman's a kids' character through and through no matter how good or "adult" he gets

>>212723713
>Batman's got blood now so it's different and cool
Are you 12?

>>212723765
As is James Bond, so fucking what? Obviously there's approaches that are better than others for a more intellectual audience. The fact that you want to make it as childish as possible is your own issue.

>>212723762
You're splitting hairs, retard. Kids like Batman because it's Batman. The edge is to make it more alluring

>>212723807
>I want to watch movies made exclusively for 12 year olds
Are you 12?

>>212723851
So why not make it alluring then, retard? It's too cool for you? A PG rated Batman movie?

>>212723834
James Bond's pretty kiddy too now that you mention it. Loved those movies way more as a kid, huh. "Intellectual" is just a codeword for "adult" which is all the more alluring to younger readers. Doesn't change who the character is or the fundamental nature of the story. I'm saying that basically no matter what you do with Batman, kids'll like it. Arbitrarily saying that some Batman stories are for "adults only" and can only be enjoyed by adults is delusional

>>212723870
You like Batman too you hypocrite

>>212718152
/thread

>>212723897
Some people do, some people don't. Drawing lines and saying that the """"intellectual""""" stuff can only be appreciated by adult audiences, and only enjoying the """"""intellectual"""" material makes you smarter or more mature is fundamentally delusional given the source material.

>>212723957
>which is all the more alluring to younger reader
No it's not. That's an oxymoron. A kid isn't interested in the fucking Sopranos. An adult could be interested in the Penguin show that is obviously aping the Sopranos, for a variety of reasons, such as the general premise and aesthetic suiting that kind of story, or even that they simply grew up with that character, and have matured since then, so therefore the character is put in a more mature setting, i.e. evolved alongside the viewer who falls into the target audience.
>fundamental nature of the story
Is of a vigilante who dresses up, goes out and beats criminals. This can happen in real life, and has.
Arbitrarily wanting any story or character that isn't overtly or explicitly R-rated to be as childish as possible is just you saying "I want censorship of expression", because of your own infatuation with material that is obviously less mature.

>>212724092
I'm talking about Batman and comics media specifically, spaz

>>212724044
The material differs significantly from writer to writer in terms of quality. I abhor certain takes on it and enjoy others.
I can also recognize that something like Lego Batman, which would clearly be more up your alley, and the Dark Knight, can both be good, but you're the one who wants to pigeonhole creators into only being able to tell that one Lego Batman story. When clearly, other things could be done with that same basic premise.

>>212724110
Then fuck off to /co/, I'm talking about all media and I've made my arguments. All I see on your part is "well I just prefer my capeshit to be LESS mature, and obviously I'm the king of the world so I should deprive others of their ideas"

>>212724092
A kid would probably love the Penguin show because he's the most memorable character from the movie, and because it's a silly penguin man
>Is of a vigilante who dresses up
As a fucking bat. Ignoring the bat part, a man dressing up to fight crime is silly and appealing to kids in and of itself.
>Arbitrarily wanting any story or character that isn't overtly or explicitly R-rated to be as childish as possible
I'm not the head of DC comics, genius. I'm just pointing out how thinking that Batman in a darker lighting fighting crime is only adult-oriented is an oxymoron.
>"I want censorship of expression"
Are you fucking high? I'm making fun of pseuds who think """"adult"""" Batman makes liking Batman cool is fucking stupid, spaz

>>212723989
I like the Batman that you hate. That's like saying someone likes Kamen Rider and comparing the original show to Kamen Rider Amazons or Shin Kamen Rider, vastly different takes.

>>212717713 (OP)
Batman is the only capeshit IPs that can fencesit or even dip into other genres. He has no superpowers, you can sell and produce batman as a thriller or crime drama with next to no CGI. Which is what Nolan did with the TDK trilogy.

There isn't a single other comic book character that can do this successfully.

>>212724201
>Talking about Batman is not /co/ unless I say so.
Tard. I don't get why being honest about what Batman is makes you think I have the power to change anything about the character

>>212724293
>A kid would probably love the Penguin show
That's retarded enough for me to disregard the rest of what you have to say.
Thank God whatever pathology you have isn't applied to all fiction, nevermind low brow stuff like superhero comics.

>>212724293
>a man dressing up to fight crime is silly
getting beat up in the street by someone with a mask wouldn't be silly

>>212724162
You're a real basket case, you know that? I keep telling you it's all the same shit and you keep insisting that one thing is arbitrarily cool and one thing is arbitrarily bad

>>212724293
If you don't think Batman is cool why do you like him? Also, the Penguin is not a kid friendly show at all

>>212724304
>I like the Batman that you hate.
It's the same character, dipshit

>>212724425
>I keep telling you it's all the same shit
Yeah because you're legitimately retarded and/or autistic. You downs syndrome faggot. You wasted my time by baiting me into thinking I'm conversing with an adult. Well played I guess.

>>212724374
Penguin was my nigga as a kid, faggot. I would've watched the shit out of it

>>212724417
Yes it is, and the fact you don't find that funny makes you sound actually autistic

>>212724362
basically this, although there are some others that can pull it off imo, daredevil can do it

The movie feels and is shot like some TNT cop procedural show

>>212724566
meds

>>212724455
He is cool and does cool shit, but the irony of him being a bat-suited man never goes away. That's what makes kids love Batman.
>Also, the Penguin is not a kid friendly show at all
You pussy

>>212718152
It's alright but TDK mogs it overall. TDKR is the weakest of the 3.

>>212724511
You keep denying reality because I broke your illusion, I hope you'll stop being a hypocrite one day

>>212724650
Assuming a kid isn't turned off by the violence or language in the Penguin, they'd just find it boring as it would flow over their heads

>>212724618
You fucking dull bitch

>>212724293
top tier bait or single digit iq

>>212724678
Prime slop consoomer with downs syndrome, thank you for reminding me the bar can always get lower. But also fuck you for making me think I was taking to some regular person.

>>212724712
Kids watch fucked-up shit all the time, the Penguin's nothing new

>>212724817
I accept your concession

>>212724819
It's not a show for kids anon

>>212724852
In what way? It's a fucking Batman villain doing edgy shit, it's cocaine for kids

>>212724845
I concede that your mental capacity explains your garbage takes and can act as an excuse for them. He didnu muffin.

>>212724877
It's barely tied to Batman at all, kind of like expecting a kid to be into 24 or CSI Miami

>>212724903
You don't have to concede twice, genius. Just remember that you love a kids' character and you're too stubborn to admit it

>>212724951
I'm sorry you're incapable of growing up.

>>212717713 (OP)
it is literally capeshit just grittier without reddit dialogue

>>212724947
Maybe I'm speaking from personal experience mostly, because I loved the Penguin as a kid.

>>212724988
>without reddit dialogue
elevates it to kino by itself desu

>>212724976
You're conceding a third time, smart guy?

>>212717713 (OP)
I don't get the hate on /tv/ for this film, other than an attempt to be contrarian, or perhaps too brainrotted to recognize a good movie

There are over 30 MCU movies and they're all formulaic slop, I'd like to see someone name even one that is better than TDK

>>212725033
I'm dragging on your pathology for entertainment value. It's funny to see you not be able to get a single thing right. This is way more fun than anything in Silver Age Batman comics btw.

>>212725085
You keep lying to yourself about what you love, pseud.

>>212725070
You can see a slop enjoyer's mind process ITT. It's exactly how you imagine it is.

>>212725107
I think that's you. So you can conceptualize what your issue is, but you can't see it staring at you in the window. And all of this seethe because people think your goofier takes on Batman are bad writing.

>>212721589
And you're a midwit who overrates his own opinion.

>>212722238
patrician

I saw this and thought it was mid, and because it's seen as much better than every capeshit movie I've had no motivation to watch any of them. Am I missing out?

>>212725515
is you're into the idea of it, they can be a good watch