What's the verdict, /tv/?

>>212719528 (OP)
Is Superman about to punch a jeet?

>>212719542
a random jeet that gave him pizza once saves him from the rubble and later in the movie gets executed by luthor

>capeslop
grow up. get a life.

>>212719528 (OP)
>get off me you filthy jeet

>>212719528 (OP)
FLOP CITY BITCH FLOP FLOP CITY BITCH

>>212719528 (OP)
I liked it. What a Superman should be. Never understood whole thing wanting Superman to be like Batman. Superman suppose to be campy and stupid

>>212719528 (OP)
It's the quintessential white man americana saturday morning comfy kino cartoon movie which is why it's loved in America but hated by third world brown countries like India, China and Germany.

>>212719528 (OP)
Guys... you just... need to watch it. I can't explain it. Just go. Buy tickets, take your friends. Buy a lot of tickets. Please, right now. And go watch it I guess. Its just got something... I dont know... Gunn nailed it.

Good lines? Hm... I don't know there are so many to choose from. The plot and cinematography? You just... I cant explain... Memes? Heart? Its just so... man its great. Just go buy tickets for it right now please. Watch James Gunn's Superman right now.

Remember Luthor? Remember Lois Lane? And a bunch of other heroes? Yeah... they're in this too. Go buy your tickets right now please. I'll be making another 60 threads a day for the next few weeks until you do or until I get my next assignment.

>>212719694
It's the number one movie in India.

>>212719528 (OP)
>Did I really just land in your shit?

>>212719618
>cape derangement syndrome
cope. seethe.

>>212719528 (OP)
I "get" why that poor guy died, and how they were using it to "motivate" the characters, but I think it did Superman wrong.

bottom line, Superman should have saved that guy. like a true hero. I don't know how, but he should have. it's much cooler for the hero to prevail in the impossible situation

I get "realism" and "illustrate Luthor is EVIL" but it seriously chump'd Superman

>>212719528 (OP)
Really liked, can't wait for Supergirl...and i guess Peacemaker for Hawkgirl and Guy...

snyder won

>that scene where superman literally single-handedly disarms the IDF and turns gaza into an independent free island in the mediterranean
woah

>>212719542
Lol

Top 3 superhero movies

>>212720314
what did he win

>>212719856
Perhaps even mald

>>212719658
Since when? He's definitely not like that in the animated series.

>>212721048
vindication desu. Even normies are liking Man of Steel now kek. It's like the false praising for the film got people to go out, see it, realize it was shit–then go home to rewatch man of steel and like it more. It makes me wonder if gunnjeets didnt overhyped their film, if people would have given man of steel a second chance.

>>212721900
if anything ive seen more hate on MoS lately

>>212721832
> Since when? He's definitely not like that in the animated series.

Go look who made the animated series. Give you a hint, the same people made Batman The Animated Series. There’s been a big problem with Batman guys who don’t like or understand Superman handling Superman

>>212719658
Literal tourist take.

Enjoy your Netflix original tier slop while you multitask tik tok selfies of whatever it is you normies do.

>>212722059
The movie with goofy Lex, Clark acting like Woody Allen and rewinding time by spinning the world in the opposite direction

>>212720314
>Snyder won.

This.

It doesn't matter if Rebel Moon sucked if you can't top what he did when given the exact same ip.

>>212720949
MoS
Infinity War
ZSJL

>>212721900
>Even normies are liking Man of Steel now
Sure they are Sanjay

>>212721900
The masses weren't ready for MoS. Everybody was in MCU quip mode at the time. They literally could not comprehend why Zack didn't just try to copy the MCU.

>>212721900
>Even normies are liking MoS more now.

Nah. The turbo normies are liking the new one because it was literally made for them. A few outliers breaking out of the Matrix are starting to come around though. This new movie is like a test and most people are failing it. They've been too conditioned by Netflix slop. Also by short form social media but that goes without saying.

>>212721900
Where's the snyderverse?

>>212719528 (OP)
It was good. Glad to see most people like it.

>>212719528 (OP)
Wow, another Superman thread. Good idea

>>212719528 (OP)
it was ok

>>212719528 (OP)
6.5/10 capeslop
If you like capeshit you will like it

>>212722545
>Everybody was in MCU quip mode at the time
it was the height of Nolan's dark and gritty era you dumb mook

>>212719528 (OP)
CAUSE I'M A PUNK ROCKER YES I AM

>>212724482
Stop prattling about things you know nothing about.

Batman was over and done with during the Snyderverse. Nolan had finished the Batman trilogy then hand picked Snyder for a Superman followup for DC. There were a ton of directors in the running at the time before Nolan settled on Zack because of Watchmen.

>>212724728
Nolan settled on Zack cause Zack is a nice guy, not because he liked his work

>>212724366
>Glad to see most people like it.

>2025
>Falling for obvious space grass.

>>212721048
The most unhinged retarded cult in the world

>>212724810
>>212724728

WB liked Zack because they wanted him to Watchmen the entire DC franchise. They forgot that Zack is an elite director who's beloved by his casts and crews while delivering visually stunning action and his time-speed gimmick gets around the main problem of adapting comics to film, namely timing
BUT anyone who's seen Sucker Punch should've known that you do not ever ever ever let him write scripts. Give him something to adapt or a good script to shoot and he'll make great entertainment, but do not let him near a keyboard or you get nonsensical garbage wrapped in self-consciously awesome imagery

>>212719528 (OP)
I don't like flops simple as

3.5/10
maybe 4/10 if I’m being kind

>>212726662
>BUT anyone who's seen Sucker Punch should've known that you do not ever ever ever let him write scripts.

This was Rebel Moon as the final form. But while he was at WB he still had people to answer to so the descent was gradual and not as severe as when he finally got to the completely off the rails Rebel Moon stage. But while he was at WB there was still enough of a studio leash for him to still mog the majority of what was out there then and definitely mog what we have today.

So even at only75 to 80% snyderpower Zack still outmatches what Gunn brought to the table with this one.

>>212726929
based

>>212726983
>So even at only75 to 80% snyderpower Zack still outmatches what Gunn brought to the table with this one.
Idk, I'll wait to pirate this Gunn one. I just wish WB had talked Zack into partnering with some top screenwriter, or to borrow a Nolan to look over his outlines or something, for the DCEU. I love Snyder, I think he has the best eye of any living action director, apparently he is just a joy to work for, and he repeatedly does what was considered impossible, namely faithully turning comics into movies, but holy shit he writes like a stoned first year philosophy student
He managed to take "Batman fights Superman" and turn it into a cringe mess, which ironically I think Gunn would've done a better job at

The glazing over Gunn Superman is giving me Force Awakens flashbacks. I don't think it'll last.

>>212719771
I love how comic booky it is! (I've never read a comic book in my life)

>>212727196
GET OUT OF MY MIND....I was literally thinking the same thing. Except this time there aren't even empty mystery boxes to keep me interested.

>>212724728
> Batman was over and done with during the Snyderverse

Not it wasn’t. MOS finished filming before Rises hit the theater. They played a teaser during Rises and it came out a year after. You’re acting like was years after Nolan’s Batman

>>212719528 (OP)
Bold decisions to introduce a superman clone in the first flick (but they yeet him into the black hole so I dunno if he's ever coming back) and especially to make the kryptonian parents evil.
Was that huge tentacled monster they were fighting in the background a reference to gunn's suicide squad?
Anyway, just watched it and it was bretty gud, ngl. Better than anything in the DCEU or any DCU in years.

>>212727184
He had such a bad experience working at WB i just don't think he wants to work with a traditional Hollywood studio again. They literally pushed out a movie that clearly wasn't ready just to make their quarterly bonuses f.f.s. The place was probably cancer to work at back then so I get it. So now he is slumming with a creatively bankrupt outfit like Netflix which is a shame.

But where else is he gonna go. He's done with WB and Disney is cancer on wheels. Maybe following Nolan over to Universal could work. Nolan seems pretty happy over there. One can dream.

>>212727521
> but they yeet him into the black hole so I dunno if he's ever coming back)

Oh he’s coming back

>>212727521
>and especially to make the kryptonian parents evil.
didn't the Batman recently make Thomas Wayne a crook and Martha Wayne a abusive basket case?

i think i'm seeing a pattern here, Batman and Superman's motivation comes from within themselves and not from their idealized origins, no my parents where the pure pearls of a corrupt city or i was sent here on a mission to save humanity.
Not sure i like it but it does make Alfred and the Kent's more impactful to the audiences so i'll reserve judgement to see how both movies follow it up

>>212727521
I forgot to add, their message from krypton being cut halfway reminded me of megamind, although that was a superman spoof. And also, where in the world is that Eastern European country bordering a South Asian country? Does Iran not exist?

>>212727521
>the kryptonian parents evil
did they really make the Els evil?

all they said was humans are easily confused and physically weaker than him and that he should rule them and have many children, it's not good but i don't know if it's evil

>>212719528 (OP)
The funniest thing about this movie is that retards actually believe second weekend won't have massive domestic drop off because the movie is just bad and very little of people will watch it again.

>>212727568
WB fucked him pretty good. I would've been furious over Justice League.
It's been amazing watching WB find new ways to shoot themselves in the dick. That part where they generously cut Nolan a check for the $7 million they cheated him out of, after he hopped to Universal and immediately delivered an Oscar-winning summer box office smash about the moral struggle of a nuclear physicist, and he graciously accepted it and told them to get fucked, made me smile.

>>212727568
Here’s the thing with the WB. You make a movie that does well, they literally let you do whatever the fuck you want. They were heavily involved in Burton’s Batman, demanding Nicholson be the Joker and a big name music artist to sell it. After it was a big hit, they let Burton do his movie with Batman Returns. The movie caused a backlash with parents and sponsors threaten to leave. Still, WB wanted him to do a Superman movie. Superman Lives fiasco is legendary stuff. But still applies today. Joker does well so they let Phillips make the disaster Joker 2. Wonder Woman does well so they let what’s her ass make the horrific Wonder Woman 84. The Batman does well so they let Reeves do a Penguin series and have waited around almost five years to finish a script for the sequel

>>212727692
Show me where it has a bad audience rating score now

>>212727670
They did say something to the effect of "rule without mercy" and "eliminate any who oppose you". Gunn basically gave Superman a Viltrumite origin.
Funny enough, this is pretty much the same twist he did in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, where dad is evil (and incidentally also had a harem. Seems to be a fixation of Gunn's...)

>>212727841
>"rule without mercy" and "eliminate any who oppose you"
if they said that then i take back what i said

>>212719528 (OP)
It was great.

>>212719581
>>212719542
Going by the name, and the street cart he operates, he's Arabic, not Indian.

>>212727841
I think he just didn’t want Jor-El being a metaphor for God and Superman Jesus which has been so fucking over done since Donner movies. Snyder faggots think Jesus shit is his original idea

>>212727841
>a Viltrumite origin
This twist has been done in Superman comics before your fucking cartoon, you fucking zoomer.

>>212727521
>so I dunno if he's ever coming back
I think he'll come back....different

>>212727841
the movie was all about focusing on superman's human side so maybe he felt it was necessary to divorce the savior from another world (kyrpton) angle in favor a superman who finds inspiration from his farmer parents and himself.

Felt exactly what a Superman film ought to be. I also wasn't too sure about the visual style, but in motion it works, especially with the good sound design.

>>212727949
You think Corenswet can pull him off? Or will they get someone else

>>212724728
>Stop prattling about things you know nothing about.
Like claiming a movie from 2013 was "the height of the MCU"? Or that Nolan's TDK trilogy was not a massive influence on audiences in the early 2010s?

>>212722709
Get your head out of your ass, anon.

>>212727954
the film literally starts with him beaten and listening to his biological parents message for him to "soothe" him, he knows the message so well he memorized the words but it doesn't soothe him, the healing process still pains him.
Movie then ends with him choosing to watch videos of Ma and Pa kent raising him, he smiles during the healing process.

it's not exactly that hard to follow, the message is pretty clear

>>212722545
>Everybody was in MCU quip mode at the time. They literally could not comprehend why Zack didn't just try to copy the MCU.
You absolute liar. We had exactly ONE MCU team-up film when Man of Steel came out, The Avengers 2012. We were fresh off the Dark Knight trilogy ending also in 2012. In fact, The Avengers 2012 hit audiences hard specifically because it was lighter and more heavily comic book in tone than the faux-realism that was engrained in superhero films for the previous number of years. It's Man of Steel that is much more in line with the era.

>>212727692
do you actually watch movies, anon?

>>212728030
This was one many things bugged me about MOS. Clark literally goes to fortress ship thing, meets hologram dead Joe-El and then is all telling Lois the S is a symbol of hope on Krypton because he knows all about Krypton now

>>212727841
>dad is evil
Star-Lord's dad in the comics isn't exactly nice. Nor is Ego in the comics. Though the one in the film is much more reprehensible than the comic book Ego.

>>212728030
OHHHHHH, punk rock, i get it

>>212728093
They even made the Garfield Spider Man movies more “dark and gritty” compared to the Raimi ones

>>212728177
?

>>212728131
The out of order chronological thing in Man of Steel repeated from Batman Begins doesn't work at all, it was weird from the first time I saw the film, it should have just been a straight chronological beginning of Superman. The choppy back and forth in the first act leaves gaps everywhere.

>>212722158
coz there was nothing else to watch? like bro cmon, if they would release EU Spider-Man 1978 movie in the US theatres instead of TV it would've shit on this version of Superman. Just coz people watched the only option in the theatre doesn't mean it was the best.

>>212719528 (OP)
>crooked lower teeth superman again
Really? At least Cavill didn't have a lazy guy like this guy.

>>212728004
Sure. He was good as Superman, including giving Superman both a goofier side and a more impetuous side.

i didn't appreciate the humor but i liked that this was more sincere than most capeshit and slightly less quippy

if capeshit plans on sticking around it must return to the era of those first xmen movies, the raimi spiderman era, the donner superman vibe, enough with trying to ape the dark knight and iron man

>>212719528 (OP)
korea did it better
A Man Who Was Superman (2008)

>>212727764

And then after doing no oversight and letting the creative deliver their bizarre movie that disappoints at the box office, they panic and overcorrect, riding the director's ass and meddling in every creative decision for #3, leading to a movie that's worse than both ones before which nobody can defend on any grounds, leading to more lost money, pissed off fans and a furious director

>>212728188
>the untold story begins
>it's spiderman

>>212728188
Exactly. We were fuckin inundated with "This is DARK and SERIOUS and MOODY and they have REALISTIC TEXTURED OUTFITS" in the early 2010s, vaguely trying to follow the Nolan Batman films. The idea that Man of Steel was just too radical and different in 2013 is completely asinine, the entire marketing for the film revolved around it being produced by Nolan and presenting it as The Dark Knight but for Superman.

>>212727948
Was it before the comic released in 2003, Gen alpha?

>>212728306
The Untold Story of Uncle Ben dying and Peter Parker becoming Spider-Man, which has never before been told on film, since 2002.

>>212719528 (OP)
pretty good, pacing is a bit funky, some lines are a bit quippy but still good

>>212728306
Better than Tobey by a mile.

>>212719528 (OP)
if it makes a shit load of money, then great

if not, damn... oh well

but ive asked the universe for this movie to succeed, so it will

Made me smile a lot. The theme song kicking in when they showed the people raising a makeshift Superman flag was good.

>>212719528 (OP)
>What's the verdict, /tv/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P09rxVaQAM

>>212728188
Absolutely based. Raimi's Spider-Man movies suck. Only good parts in those movies are those that Sony wanted and Raimi hated.

>>212728357
plus, i wanna see my favorite gay boi midnighter do his thaaaaaaang

>>212727568
I hope Snyder kills himself like his daughter. One can dream.

>>212724728
MoS is a goyer/Nolan-verse movie.
Only flick that's part of the Snyderverse is BvS which horrendously flopped and Snyder got kicked out right after.

>>212728438
hey, not cool anon

>>212728322

It's kind of wild to me how much idiot Hollywood executives misunderstanding TDK ruined genre films for a decade
>TDK: Thematically rich script, centered on the ancient debate about whether people are inherently good or just act nice because of their social conditioning, along with an unusual-for-Hollywood argument on that decade's big debate: against a completely irrational, completely evil threat, is it necessary to "temporarily" suspend the rules of civilization in order to save civilization? Plus themes of sacrifice, the image vs reality of leaders and heroes, and all anchored by two actors giving the performances of their lifetimes, with a dark and gritty aesthetic
>suits: People want movies that are dark and gritty!
They made a dark and gritty Star Trek movie ffs

>>212719528 (OP)
>6'4 and jacked
>somehow looks like a bitch compared to 6'0 caville superman
How?

>>212728493
Be kind to me and my dreams, man. Not cool.

>>212728438
Careful, kid, you don't want to cut yoursulf with all that edge.

>>212728502
Gunn is somehow a worse director than Snyder concerning shots, angles etc. Let's add more fish eye lens scenes, that'll do it.

>>212728498
>oi, that bloke wot did the Wotcherman and made all tha goofballs look cool and badass snappin bones iz 'ere, get 'im in

>>212728543
You should love my post if you love Snyder. Snyder thinks batman could only be edgy and gritty if he got raped. So my post is in line with his retarded and juvenile behavior. You should praise me.

>>212728498
Hollywood runs with trends. So slapped “dark and gritty” everything. Let’s make James Bond dark abs gritty. Let’s make Spider Man dark and gritty. Let’s make the Big Blue Boy-scout dark and gritty.

>>212719528 (OP)
can't believe we got a superman film where netenyahoo got pancaked and a pajeet got domed

>>212728553
I don't agree.
I found his action scenes far more coherent and well constructed than Snyder's omniscient camera bullshit. You can say Snyder's movie is "prettier" from a storyboard point of view,, more traditionally elegant in composition, that's accurate, but actually in motion Gunn's style with the film, while garish by design, feels more engaging and almost like a comic book in motion. You never lose track of the character in a mishmash of digital action figure bashing. I acknowledge it's not for everyone, but I said I don't agree, not that you are wrong. I think Snyder is massively overrated from a directing standpoint, that he's his element putting together in his pretty storyboard images but once the camera actually gets down on the set, or should I say the greenscreen because boy does he over rely on those, the stuff in-between the storyboarded epic poses is mediocre at best, and downright clumsy at worst.

>>212728093
There were seven (7) MCU movies released before MoS came out. That's MULTIPLE trilogies + worth of movies. The mcu was in full swing by the time MoS came out. People wanted DC to be Marvel 2.0 Quipfest Reloaded Electric Bugaloo and couldn't understand why Zack wasn't doing it. Now over a decade later DC is actually IS marvel 2.0 Quipfest Reloaded Electric Bugaloo and the formula is tired AF.

It would have been so much cooler and badass if they had stuck with the original vision laid out in MoS. I could truly care less about whatever happens in this new cgi rubber cartoon universe Gunn has laid out. There's no weight to anything and nothing matters. Its literally streaming tier where they throw gobs of money at it for a bunch of barely mid special fx in the hopes that it will keep you subscribed.

>>212728716
the worst part of snyder's action scenes is when he does that wide shot and awkward fast shakey sudden zoom

...Flop.

>>212728622
Now that was a based era. Hate how every movie now is a ragtag group of misfits saving the day. Gunn sucks.

>>212728622
>So slapped “dark and gritty” everything.

Yeah lol, but that's the funny thing. TDK made a billion dollars because it was an incredible script with big themes and massive culturally-relevant subtext for the time, shot as an excellent action thriller, with great performances, and also a dark and gritty aesthetic (probably chosen because Nolan understood he is making a movie about a billionaire who dresses like a bat to fight crime, and getting the audience to buy that ridiculous premise would be his #1 challenge). But the suits were so stupid and shallow, all they saw was DARK and GRITTY and so they decided people wanted movies to be DARK and GRITTY.
Those lazy ass suits chased a trend that didn't exist and ruined movies for a decade, because they are so bad at their jobs they didn't understand what they were watching.

>>212719771
>I'll be making another 60 threads a day for the next few weeks until you do or until I get my next assignment.

Yes we know.

>>212728622
Fittingly, they also tried to follow a trend in the mid 2010s to early 2020s based on Gunn's GOTG success. But again, wildly missed the target on what made those films work. They just saw "wacky misfits group, lots of jokes", and worst of all jumped headlong into dismissive irony, when the GOTG films are actually very earnest, even while being comedic. Wasn't exclusive to Hollywood either, consider the smug, preening shit we got with the video game Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, which was in development for a longass time and came out well past the period this kind of clueless GOTG copy became passé, among other more video game centric flaws (I hope you enjoy all of the characters being "guy with gun"!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U767rU8jCK8

>>212728757

Snyder's "original vision" had some interesting bits but it was dull as fuck. Superman in particular had a perma-constipated look and was an indecisive bore.
On top of that his version of Lex, which was crucial to give a counterweight to Supreman, was absolutely atrocious on all fronts.
And also he tried to speedrun the larger Superman arc. In the first movie he shows up and starts Supermaning at the end. Then in the second movie it already fastforwarded to the death of Superman horseshit. Then AFTER that he tried to speedrun TDKR on top of that.

Just a really garbage run that's a total waste.

>>212728757
> People wanted DC to be Marvel 2.0 Quipfest

Are you retarded? MOS was put into production right after Dark Knight become biggest selling comic book movie ever. Wasn’t until MCU teamed up all their guys for Avengers that they were able to outsell The Dark Knight. They ran a trailer for MOS during Rises. A year after that Sony released their dark and gritty Spider Man movie. Fans want capeshit that fits the ton of the movie. People didn’t like Garfield’s darker Spider Man same way they didn’t want a darker Superman. Netflix’s Daredevil was very successful and it wasn’t a quip fest and was “dark ans gritty” Because it fit the character. I don’t know why this is so hard for you idiots to understand. Nobody wants a dark and gritty Aquaman the same way nobody wants a campy Punisher movie

>>212729010
Still better than this lame crap we got this week. At least there was weight and stakes. This latest version might as well have Bugs Bunny as a cameo. Its a cartoon and nothing matters. The thought of revisiting this universe seriously bores the hell out of me if its more of what we got in this movie.

>>212728968
MCU did it as well. Made Thor The Dark World more dark and less campy and people didn’t like that one so they went full camp Ragnarok

>>212719528 (OP)
i loathe capeslop and have not even watched any of the mcu movies(only modern capeslop ive watched is logan and man of steel) but i really really really really want to watch this new superman it looks sick af and im vibin on the goofy ah aura of it all

>>212729049
What point are you trying to make. I'm talking about the state of mind of the audience when MoS came out. That has nothing to do with the movie's production. The fact of the matter is that when MoS hit theaters audiences were in full Marvel quip mode.

>>212728757
Six, actually, and only one of them a sequel. So you can drop your "multiple trilogies worth" schtick. Furthermore, their style of embracing comic book roots was most certainly not in full swing, Thor for instance spent most of his movie in normal clothes on Earth, and they tried explaining away Asgard as super advanced science and aliens (something they eventually disregarded in later films and just acknowledged it as magic and gods).

Claiming that audiences in 2013 were used to "Bright and breezy with a lot of humor" is just a flat out lie. The order of the day was brooding and serious with downplayed comic book aspects, muted colors, and faux-realism. The Amazing Spider-Man sold itself as a darker more serious take compared to the campy Raimi films, that's 2012, right before Man of Steel. Fantfourstic did the same, in 2015, two years AFTER Man of Steel. X-Men First Class did a soft reboot in 2011, the X-Men trilogy had already been a more muted and serious take anyway, but First Class continued that with a more grounded era with everyone out of costume and interacting with political elements. Nolan's name was plastered all over Man of Steel.

The shift into being lighter and more embracing of comic book roots influencing other properties besides the MCU came in the second half of the 2010s when the grimdark period had grown stale and tired for audiences. And again, the MCU did NOT start out throwing Infinity Gauntlets and Rocket Racoon at you, Iron Man was notably very grounded in tone. Hell, I could point to Rocket Raccoon himself as a good example of how the expectation of tone and audience reaction changed from the 2010s to the 2020s as the MCU went on. From having his name shortened to just "Rocket" in GOTG 1, to try to blunt the already absurd premise of a talking gun toting raccoon, and having him not know what a racoon even is, to making him claiming his full name of Rocket Raccoon the emotional climax of GOTG 3, that's a pretty big shift.

>Superman gets put in an impossible situation
>comic book Superman: Comes up with an equally impossible solution
>Snyder's Superman: Kills the enemy but learns a brutal lesson from it
>Gunn's Superman: KRYPTO GO GET HIS ASS XDD

>>212719528 (OP)
I thought it was shit for the first 30 or maybe 40 minutes but it does eventually find its footing and keeps it from then on.

>>212728793
The fake digital zoom in completely CGI scenes is awful. It was awful when Lucas did it randomly in Attack of the Clones (which NEVER uses that elsewhere) and it's awful in Man of Steel.

>>212728883
There's nothing ragtag about Superman 2025.

>>212729136
You're not wrong about that.

I think Snyderverse failed the moment he botched Lex. That was the moment most people just checked the fuck out and everything lose all momentum.
If he did that right it would've carried him a bit further.

>>212729136
I don't think you actually saw Superman.

>>212729246
Really? Why did The Wolverine do well? That wasn’t a quip fest. Why did Logan do well? Why did Daredevil do well if all people wanted was quips?

>>212729264
krypto getting the drones was kino and set up with the t circles

>>212729290
>hasn't seen the movie
Embarrassing, why defend it then?

>>212729049
Spider-Man was successful enough to get a sequel, the hell you smoking? It wasn't gritty either, the fuck?

>>212729304
There's literal MONKEYS typing and shitposting on the internet. Not metaphorical monkeys. Actual monkeys. This universe might as well share continuity with South Park.

>>212729470
It didn’t make as much as Spider Man 3 which people ridiculed. And compare to Raimi’s Spider Man movies it was as dark and almost literally. Most of it was night

>>212729246
And I'm telling you, they were not. There was exactly one film out that matched your version of things, The Avengers, 2012. A turning point, yes, but not an overnight realignment. That's not how things work. The early 2010s was inundated with Nolan-chasing grimdark takes, looking for that sweet sweet TDK money. That it was The Avengers that not only got that TDK money, but far surpassed it, was a SURPRISE to many people in 2012. You're totally ignoring history here.. A lot of people dismissed the Avengers film as an inevitable folly by Marvel Studios. "No one knows the Avengers team, they know the Justice League", "No X-Men or Spider-Man, it's doomed with audiences". Doubts about Joss Whedon being chosen as writer and director. Doubts that a comic book crossover universe could even work, doubts that the tones of the different heroes could mix. Thor and Captain America 1 didn't light the box office on fire, they both did "fine". Broke even. Captain America had to be called The First Avenger in some markets because they feared those wouldn't react well to a hero called "Captain America". The Incredible Hulk didn't even do that, it flopped. The only actual success was Iron Man, and even then, the sequel while a success got complaints about the Avengers setup aspects (in hindsight it's like two scenes, quite overblown, the film has other more pressing issues) supposedly dominating it.

That the Avengers film not only got good reviews for working as a teamup introduction and as a fun summer blockbuster, but smashed records all over the place and turned out audiences in droves, was a huge shock to the system in Hollywood, it was a big gamble and it paid off. Dismissing all that as "oh the audience were in QUIP MODE" because Man of Steel had a mixed reception is disingenuous at best.
Hell, even in Marvel, Daredevil was very much dark and gritty, and that was a big hit with audiences because it was quality. That's 2015, well after The Avengers and Man of Steel.

>>212729435
Existing franchise.

>>212729264
>KRYPTO GO GET HIS ASS XDD
That didn't happen. He correctly figured out that Ultraman was not sapient and Lex was not simply monitoring the fight with his drones but actually using them to direct Ultraman's moves, and sends Krypto at the drones to blind him while he takes down Ultraman. I don't know what you think typing X and D is supposed to accomplish when you're literally presenting "and then thanks to a contrived situation Superman SNAPS ZOD'S NECK EPICALLY" as a "lesson". What fuckin lesson did he learn?

>>212729441
I have. There is nothing ragtag about it. I don't know what it is you think ragtag means, but there's nothing in there that matches it.

>>212729503
That doesn't really tell me you saw Superman. Are you sure you aren't just making up a film based on thread titles on /tv/ and maybe one camrip webm or two?

>>212729622
>What fuckin lesson did he learn?
That Snyder is a hack

>>212729540
People seriously forgot about this shit.
Captain America: 400 million world wide
Thor: 443 million world wide
Incredible Hulk: 264 million world wide
Iron Man 2: 623 million world wide

Dark Knight Rises: 1 billion

>>212719528 (OP)
its kino

>>212729470
Compared to the Raimi trilogy, yes, it was. and more importantly, it was heavily marketed as being darker and grittier. This was the first view we got of Garfield's Spider-Man. Bloodied, downbeat, nighttime, more toned down costume with muted colors and heavier texturing.

Hell, the headline for the article from 2011 I just got this image from says "'Spider-Man' first look at Andrew Garfield in his costume: Why so serious?" and notes it's being presented as a grittier take.
https://ew.com/article/2011/01/13/spider-man-first-look-doc-jensen/

And it is. Is it as dark in tone as The Batman 2022, or Daredevil Netflix? No. Is it as faux-realistic as the Nolan trilogy which avoided more outlandish elements? No, there's still a mutant lizard man in the movie. But it absolutely was a more grounded take compared to the Raimi trilogy, including eschewing much of the more comic book esque dialogue in favor of evoking the realistic mumblecore of late 2000s indie films, and the marketing was consistent in presenting the film as moodier and more serious.

>>212719528 (OP)
It was hilarious how he was like I AM AN INCEL SUPERMAN IT IS OK

>>212729441
He is correct though. If you're trying to refer to the Justice Gang, they're not at all "ragtag", they're a well funded corporate backed team that's experienced and work together seamlessly.

>>212720143
>Peacemaker for Hawkgirl and Guy
His sidekick Vigilante is fucking kino

>>212729914
Add on James Bond. Skyfall blatantly obvious them doing the Dark Knight. Even Avengere. Both cases whole “bad guy mastermind letting himself get captured”

>>212722545
Gunn knows I can handle edge and comedy and boobies, Snyder is a boring feminist in a cock cage always talking about Debra the most cucked loser wife name there is btw BEAT DEBRA

>>212729999
Oh yeah, let’s also not forget Star Trek doing the Dark Knight and yet again bad guy mastermind letting himself get capture

>>212727976
The sound design with the impacts is key

>>212729697
Hell, I thought it was gonna fail, and I had been rooting for it at the time because I wanted a precedent set for adapting the comic teamups so we could eventually get a World's Finest movie which I'd wanted since I was a kid (careful what you wish for, huh? still haven't fuckin gotten that). That weird first trailer for the movie with the NIN song that was bizarrely dated like it was transplanted from the 1990s, remember that? With contextless shots of streets just blowing up for no reason, random voice lines, and other confusing shit. It sure looked like a messy disaster in the making.

>>212719528 (OP)
It was great, though I'm really excited to see how that low budget R-Rated Clayface written by Mike Flanigin pans out. If they play their cards right, don't fuck with the script, get a competent director and have some kino body horror, it could be the breakout hit they need to actually kick-start the DCU.

>>212730010

>>212729914
Ah, that takes me back to threads from 2011 and all the debating on that costume, people sure it was just his beta outfit from the first act and he would have a "real" suit later, complaining about the texturing, debating if he had mechanical web shooters or not and whether he should or not, etc. Then the film came out and it was just kinda there.

>>212729945
He wasn't an incel though, he had a girlfriend and a string of exes.

>>212728502
You're a gay loser going off Twitter memes instead of watching the movie. He looks huge in the flick even though he never pops his titties out like a faggot once. I really appreciate him never taking the suit off like how I appreciate Judge Dredd keeping his helmet on especially since it focuses on the Supermarn logo when he's kicking ass

>>212730148
paying for pussy doesn't count.

I still don't get why they think it's reasonable to follow up with a Supergirl film. It'll probably be good, but no way it makes even half of its budget back when this one is barely breaking even.

>>212729136
>NO FUN ALLOWED

I’m wondering if Nolan and Goyer saw everyone copying Joker letting himself get capture and decided to reverse it where the hero lets himself get captured

>>212729914
The Raimi trilogy is some of the most melodramatic soap opera wannabe gritty stuff out there.

>>212719542
Finna boutta yeet a jeet

>>212729999
>>212730057
It's actually kinda funny that all three of those films came out in that summer 2012 to spring 2013 period, you can actually chart the knock-on effect from The Dark Knight in 2008, the success of the villain in that film with audiences, goes through studios looking to replicate it with similar mastermind villains, then winds up getting written into three separate movies in three separate franchises from three separate movie studios, and then they go through the period of development and production, finally all coming out in that same ten month period. Then by the time it reaches the last to come out, Star Trek Into Darkness, that plot has already become overdone with audiences and falls flat. Not that it was the only problem with that film but it's a good example of that film's imitation preoccupation.

>>212730080
True, made the cinema rumble in a good way. Hits felt like they hurt, even for Superman.

>>212730010
SO SILENT

>>212728502
Does he? He towers over everyone in every scene, he's close to Thor size.

mister terrific and engineer were cool, rest is shit

>>212719581
based Luthor

>>212730093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOrNdBpGMv8
You're right, this is a weird fuckin trailer.
Feels very...1996?

>>212730247
And absolutely campy as fuck. You weren't get freeze frames to Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head in The Amazing Spider-Man 2012.

>>212730222
I still remember the complaints about this poster back in 2012. "What, Superman can't be stopped by handcuffs!". Then of course in the actual film he's merely being polite with letting them put them on and breaks them like nothing later. The film had problems but they weren't related to handcuffs. Just funny the things people get fixated on in the run-up to movies.
If I recall we had the exact same complaint at this film because one of the trailers showed Superman in handcuffs. Same old same old.

>>212730500
Yes! Based! This movie is based! I love it!

>>212730595
When I saw it thought just a play on of classic Superman imogene of him breaking the chains. Just like handcuffs, chains aren’t going to do shit

>>212731373

>>212721832
This movie is as silver age Superman as it gets.

>>212730595
>If I recall we had the exact same complaint at this film because one of the trailers showed Superman in handcuffs. Same old same old.
We did, and incredibly disingenuously by some, who were trying to portray it like "Look, this NEW Superman is WEAK unlike my tough daddy Cavill Superman". Completely disregarding the very same inane debate happened with the film they supposedly adore.

>>212731443
I demand King Superman in the next one

>>212722052
Superman The Animated Series is one of the best portrayals of him AND his supporting cast. Including Batman, they actually do the World's Finest close friendship after an initial misunderstanding.

>>212731506
#SecretHarem

>>212731506
Batman: The Brave and the Bold had a homage to this when Superman was exposed to red Kryptonite and recreated a bunch of the old Superdickery covers.

>>212731497
These Snyder faggots have no idea Smallville fans wanted to boycott MOS. Ridiculed Cavill because they wanted Tom Welling also because he was a bong and an American. Doing exact same shit Snyder fans are doing

>>212719528 (OP)
Best live action Superman (and DC movie since the 80s, Nolan and plane rescue scene in Returns notwithstanding

>>212722059
>Netflix original tier slop
Like Rebel Moon?
>>212722429
>MoS
4/10
>Infinity War
5/10
>ZSJL
3/10


nice try

>>212722545
Meanwhile in reality it was just a bad movie that nobody liked and nobody will ever rediscover

>>212722709
You are not oppressed, you aren't enlightened.
You just like a bad movie that flopped a decade ago.
Move on, nostalgiatard

>>212720314
won what?
a one way ticked to netflix?
Uwe Boll is more respected lmao

>>212726929
Yeah, nobody liked snydershit

>>212726970
Seems too harsh, even for bad movies like MoS

>>212727184
>wish WB had talked Zack into partnering with some top screenwriter, o
No thanks, he can't direct movies

>>212727670
>did they really make the Els evil?
Apaprently. Until the next movie where they'll change idea, probably.
The cricumstances are so vague

>>212727692
>movie is just bad and very little of people will watch it again.
It's funny that you keep repeating this as if you could make it happen
Snyderverse never ever ;)

>>212731590
The shameless rewriting of history (or just complete invention as I'm sure some of them didn''t even experience it) around Man of Steel, The Dark Knight, The Avengers and various other aspects of the late 2000s to early 2010s is irking me lately, especially when it's all just in service of some weird fawning over Snyder.

Also, another weird thing, is despite it being a generally well received adaptation albeit not a box office success, or at the least better received than it was expected based on the litany of rather dodgy sounding previous attempts at adapting it, Snyderfags never seem to ever mention Watchmen. Never bring it up in their circlejerks over the Snyder superhero films, never spam any cinegrids or make any threads for it, nothing. Is it because it's Alan Moore's work ultimately and they know Snyder can objectively only be credited for recreating visuals from the comic (and even then wildly missing the point on some like changing everyone's costumes to look COOL and BADASS instead of like dorks or psychopaths)? Not that they don't completely erase key figures from Snyder's DC films as well in favor of attributing everything to him, but Watchmen is an iconic comic so you can't ignore it being an adaptation.

>>212719528 (OP)
I will not pay a single fucking cent for any Gunn-related project or related merchandise.

Gunn needs to go. Snyder needs to come back. Until then wallet's closed.

>>212727928
The actor, tard

>>212729136
There was no weight or stakes in snydershit. ever
You jsut see dark palette and think "dark
Grow up
A cartoon is deeper than your epic homoerotic movie about angry bodybuilders

>>212729264
>>Snyder's Superman: Kills the enemy but learns a brutal lesson from it
This didn't happen
>>Gunn's Superman: KRYPTO GO GET HIS ASS XDD
This didn't happen either

You are mentally ill and should stick to what's actually on screen

>>212731930
>IN TRENBOLONE WE TRUST

>>212731948
This is a movie.

>>212729503
Just like snydertards, like you can see in this very thread. Modern and relevant.
And you have never read comics

>>212732024
Yeah actors play in movies you fucking dipshit, and that one is an Indian. Move on.

>>212731995
but anon, Superman like, died in his second movie and was teased as coming back to life before the end credits even rolled
like that one story that came sixty years into his tenure and lasted over the course of several years of comics, but this time....it's NOW

>>212732017
I'm boycotting this new shit. If I ever see it then it will be pirated. Gunn can suck a dick, as can all of his shills.

If Snyder doesn't come back then so be it. Then Warner is not getting any money from me. I refuse to support slop.

>>212731930
Sneeder and Gunn are friends, retard. They even joke around about superman with each other. Why do you think Snyder wants to come back to make another DC movie

>>212732067
>>>https://reddit.com/r/snyderverse

>>212729136
>it's too much like a superman cartoon
what else would you go to see a superman movie for?

>>212732091
Snyderfags watch Superman movies for the dildo imagery

>>212732075
Not supporting the Gunnverse. Never gonna happen. Don't need this söy-infused toilet humor crap in my life.

>>212732075
That faggot will most assuredly be responding to you with swift and deep confirmation bias

/tv/ is an lndian board now

>>212732114
kek, i was a few seconds late:
>>212732110

>>212732067
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/kMG4M_cJ7QCwcFfcxmQY5A/
Get a personality, anon.

>>212719528 (OP)
>that hatred in his eyes

dare I say, one of us?

>>212730595
>he accept hadcuffs to not scare people
>5 mins later breaks handcuffs to intimidate people
Typical Snyder
peice of shit of a movie

>>212731373
those scenes have nothingin common. Yo ucannot just ignore the context and the meaning, like Snyder does

>>212719528 (OP)
It's surprisingly cringey. I know capeshit is made for manchildren but THIS was waaaay to obvious.

>>212732125
>>212732134
You'll have to carry the load of supporting the Gunnslop yourselves. I'm not helping out.

>>212719528 (OP)
It was a bland and mediocre movie, typical post-2020 capeshit, BUT...

>>212731930
Lmao, ok loser

>>212732175

>>212732048
MIND
BLOWN

>>212732175
Shiver me timbers. One thousand assholes from plebbit + one thousand and one Indians collectively hate this new movie that millions of people are flooding to theaters to see.

>>212732067
Bottom mogs. No piss filter

>>212732173
But enough about MoS

>>212732243
>inb4 blue
that shot was blue yeah and lasted like 2 seconds in the film

>>212732254
This one was more childish than MOS, they're both capeshits so who cares

>>212732255
Excuse me, we are not exclusively piss in tone, we also have dark teal.

>>212721900
Man of Steel was just a bad movie. Accept that and move on.

>>212719528 (OP)
capeshit is still gay

>>212719528 (OP)
would Superman stop Israel genociding Palestine?

>>212719528 (OP)
The jeet gets one-shotted by Luthor so its literally kino

>>212732644
it's complicated. stopping Israel might send wrong message to its people and various Muslim extremist group. doing nothing means leaving Palestinian under the mercy of Israel. going after Iran will also leave Palestinians defenseless, and will send a very controversial message that Superman can and will topple national goverments

>>212732308
It was bad but this new version sucks too, faggot.
>inb4 muh fisheye lens shots are heckin cool
kys

>>212719528 (OP)
pretty good 7/10, best superman movie

>>212719581
>Luthor shoots the guy and threatens to kill more
>NO NO NO LUTHOR DON'T DO IT AGAIN PLEASE DON'T
>DON'T KIDNAP ABDUL FROM THAT KEBAB PLACE NEAR PARKVIEW
>OR JOSE, HE WORKS ON THAT CONSTRUCTION SITE NEAR MY BUILDING, THEY USUALLY START WORK AROUND 6AM, REALLY LOUD TOO
>OR SANJAY FROM SANJAY'S MINIMART, YES THE ONE ON 43RD STREET
>OR RANDEEP, HE DRIVES AN UBER AROUND DOWNTOWN, SOMETIMES TO THE AIRPORT
>PLEASE ANYONE BUT THEM

Weird scene...

>>212719528 (OP)
the veredict is that snyder wonned
>>212719542
yes, the actor is about to punch a gunn shill, he couldn't help himself.

>>212733438
Hey buddy, only English here

>>212722052
Its funny cause some tranny tried using the animated series as a defense for liking the new Superman and thats how you know these dummies are desperate to defend their slopmovie. RTXDJ

>>212721940
On Facebook I see nothing but dissatisfaction but on X I see trannies glazing it. It's 100% a mixed reaction for gunn's superman tilting more so to a dissatisfaction

>>212732134
>Get a personality, anon.
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/text/%22Get%20a%20personality%2C%20anon.%22/

You first

Watched a stream of it yesterday and it was entertaining. A bit patchy on some areas but it worked.

>>212729049
I want a campy Punisher movie. Something like Machete or Toxic Avenger. It would be awesome.

>looks like cheap indian parody of superman
>indian shills on /tv/ like it
pottery

>>212733071
The new one is good.
It's sincere and it's Superman

>>212734952
sounds like you want a Machete or Toxic Avenger movie.

>>212727196
Same. But it's like sped up, I can kind of see the discourse around it already starting to change tone while it took years for TFA.

>>212719771
Don't forget the next phase:
>this nigga is the best part of the movie. He's TERRIFIC!!!

>>212719528 (OP)
8/10

>>212719771
kek

>>212719528 (OP)
>What's the verdict, /tv/?
7.5 - 8/10
It was pretty good. Would rewatch
didn't expect to like it since I greatly disliked Guardians 1 (only Gunn movie I had seen)

Not having his own version of superman is lame, just rehashing john william's version is lazy. There are some moments where the remix sounds good

>>212738700
his own version IS Superman (or fairly close), which is what people asked for, especially after decades of dogshit hatefiction that nobody liked
And stop complaining about william's theme, it's basically Superman's theme. You don't complain when an Indiana Jones movie has the Indiana Jones theme

>>212724416
And whoms't be this demon of the semen, might I ask?

>>212738790
what a stupid comparison, superman isn't just a movie ip

>>212719528 (OP)
#supershit

>>212722545
>The masses weren't ready for MoS. Everybody was in MCU quip mode at the time
Bro MCU wasn't even in full quip mode yet at the time. Half the reason the dark and gritty superhero formula went out of style is because Snyder trashed it.

>>212739113
Those monkeys are literally snyderfags

>>212739093
Still an IP and you cannot control what sticks

>>212719528 (OP)
Dogshit. Just like the Indians the kikeman saves in this pitiful excuse of a movie

>>212719528 (OP)
How depressed do you think the execs are that their entire rebooted franchise is now based around 'not a complete disaster'?

>>212721832
Superman & Lois isn't particularly campy or stupid either. Guy's talking bullshit.

>>212727196
The one review I've read gave it 2/5. It's not being praised NOW.

>>212727521
>make the kryptonian parents evil.
That's not bold, it's dumb as hell.

>>212719528 (OP)
I really liked how they did Luthor in this. He could probably create portals to other inhabitable planets or revolutionize medicine with his nanite technology, but he's such a seething faggot about Superman the thought doesn't even cross his mind. It's also great that they showed how much of a cruel, petty bastard he is when he's in his pocket dimension, where he knows he can do whatever he wants and he won't get caught for it.

>>212731902
You’re really gut, they never do being up The Watchman

>>212740799
Well, better than when it was based around a complete disaster like BvS.

>>212719528 (OP)
Chuds won.
Hollywood pedophiles lost.

>movie that celebrates murdering jews and explicitly shows hot girl brutally slaughtering netayahu stand-in as a heroic act
most based movie in decades