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IT'S OVER. To sum it up ...Superman was a bitch in this
>Snyder took up the Superman comic book myth then enhanced its meaning as American cultural heritage with classical, spiritual roots. This grand vision opposes fanboy frivolity, which is the basis of Gunn’s commercialized version. His Superman (portrayed by David Corenswet) is introduced as a humiliated, known quantity. He has already lost a battle, slammed into the pavement of Metropolis, and is bloody, wounded, and wheezing.

>Gunn’s point is to replace myth and destroy all faith. This Superman movie is the most cynical imaginable. It doesn’t just go against the original Joe Shuster–Jerry Siegel comic book ubermensch that Snyder understood; it reworks a figure for the dystopian millennium and Hollywood resistance.

>There’s no denying that Guardians of the Galaxy director Gunn knows the market he panders to when he emasculates Corenswet’s average all-American masculinity — the essence of the Superman concept — then extracts any romance from Superman’s relationship with reporter Lois Lane (Rachel Brosnahan is grating throughout their meant-to-be-flirty spats). Lacking Snyder’s erotic pairing of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, Gunn degrades the humanity of these characters. He victimizes Superman (horribly so in a poorly judged “Pocket Universe” prison sequence featuring nightmarish degradation) and then triggers audience revulsion through evil genius Lex Luthor (Nicholas Hoult), whose key-punch video game tropes remotely attack a man of virtual invulnerability rather than a man of steel. Luthor combats Superman through a combination of science and technology — injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman’s bloodstream — using methods that recall the hideous Covid manipulation.
Anonymous No.212725177 >>212725304 >>212727735
>Gunn’s objective is to banalize the very concept that Snyder sought to elevate. He demeans Superman’s virtue, making him a figure of public distrust vilified in the press, yet gives him goofy boyishness through a mischievous terrier-schnauzer mutt named Krypto. Snyder eliminated the pet, but Gunn uses the dog for dragging Superman’s rumpled body to the icy Fortress of Solitude. The sequence lacks surprise as well as delight. Inane dialogue and jokey asides constitute Gunn’s half-Nolan and half-Marvel hackery.


>The conventionality that Gunn resorts to includes a subplot with the Green Lantern League, a jokey crew of XYZ-men knock-offs. They appear briefly as comic relief until Gunn brings them back to complete a battle Superman cannot win by himself. It’s catnip for inconstant comic book consumers.

>Flashback: Except for that stirring, time-reversal scene in the Superman of 1978, the Christopher Reeve films were clunky quasi-camp. Richard Lester took over the sequels, flaunting his signature light comic touch to prove his superiority to the franchise. But Snyder, being of a later generation, triumphed through expression and dedication that few filmmakers can match — and that Marvel/Nolan addicts simply don’t understand. They tolerated Bryan Singer’s Superman Returns, although it felt both demoralized and uninspired. Snyder overcame all that by bringing visual richness and emotional power. Gunn, instead, infantilizes the tale. His iteration of Superman is just bad business (like Joss Whedon defacing Snyder’s Justice League), even when it veers into social commentary, fashionably evoking the war in Ukraine.
Anonymous No.212725192
>>212725121 (OP)
He's right. He saw right through Gunn's gimmick.
Anonymous No.212725214 >>212728196
>>212725121 (OP)
It's over, Armond's review is cutting this flick's legs off. Expect a massive second week drop now
Anonymous No.212725221 >>212725282
>This Superman demonstrates the perversity called forth everywhere by our media. The pop-art difference between Gunn’s antipathy and Snyder’s mythology is like that between Taylor Swift’s snide “Anti-Hero” and David Bowie’s valiant “Heroes.”

Oooff..Gunnbros....? Our response?
Anonymous No.212725244
>>212725121 (OP)
>erotic pairing of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams
??? But White is right, Gunn is the real contrarian trying to show zalpha soups as a beaten up rag doll piloted by CG WHEN THE PLOT KICKS IN.
Anonymous No.212725269
WBshills and Gunnkeks have zero response
Anonymous No.212725282
>>212725221
the metaphor doesn't quite work cos Cavill wasn't an "everyman hero" like in Bowie's lyrics, until he showed himself building PC's, grilling meat etc. Most men admire him cos they lack his symmetrical sculpted looks
Anonymous No.212725297 >>212725399
thank you Mr White
Anonymous No.212725304 >>212725360 >>212726401 >>212726616 >>212727983
>>212725121 (OP)
>>212725177

>concept that Snyder sought to elevate
Anonymous No.212725360
>>212725304
>Aliens seek to invade America with BBCs
They hated him because he spoke the truth
Anonymous No.212725374 >>212725435
you already made a thread about this
Anonymous No.212725378 >>212725826
>>212725121 (OP)
bunch of contrarians circle jerking the most famous and notable contrarian is actually a pretty funny premise for a thread
Anonymous No.212725399
>>212725297
HEY ITS SUPERMAN
Anonymous No.212725435 >>212725562
>>212725374
Not me. I'm actually posting what he said instead of a rotten tomatoes snippet. Hurts to read eh Gunncuck?
Anonymous No.212725486 >>212725504
How many threads about generic Superman console warring have you made today?
Anonymous No.212725492
well he does get called bitch by supergirl at the very end.
Anonymous No.212725504
>>212725486
All of them because he's upset about the movie
Anonymous No.212725562 >>212725606
>>212725435
>Not me.

lol no one believes you
Anonymous No.212725592
Always on point
Anonymous No.212725606 >>212725622
>>212725562
Not my problem Gunncuck
Anonymous No.212725622
>>212725606
It's already your problem, Snydercuck
Anonymous No.212725658
Armond proves he is kino once again. I'd have a whiskey with this fag and discuss cinema
Anonymous No.212725676
I wonder if you timed all these threads whether they would all be mysteriously posted in ten minute intervals.
Anonymous No.212725713
>>212725121 (OP)
The king of /tv/ hath spoken.
Zoom Zoom No.212725714 >>212725813
>>212725121 (OP)
Armond's only bad take apart from the Zionist and gay stuff is his Snyderjeet mentality.
If he were a real critic he'd realize all these superhero movies are fucking awful.
Anonymous No.212725742 >>212725799 >>212726116 >>212727702
>>212725121 (OP)
>Luthor combats Superman through a combination of science and technology — injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman’s bloodstream — using methods that recall the hideous Covid manipulation.
Ugh so he's a covid denier, fuck this guy
Anonymous No.212725762
>>212725121 (OP)
Anonymous No.212725799 >>212725831 >>212725884 >>212725955 >>212726855
>>212725742
it's crazy how much MAGAts love Man of Steel but ignore that Zack is an unapologetic liberal
Anonymous No.212725813 >>212725868 >>212725953
>>212725714
But you're not a real critic either
Anonymous No.212725826
>>212725378
Armond needs his own movie.
Anonymous No.212725831 >>212725873 >>212725884
>>212725799
basing it off surface level bullshit without engaging on anything further seems right up their alley
Anonymous No.212725866
>>212725121 (OP)
>snyder
Anonymous No.212725868 >>212725898 >>212725910
>>212725813
Define 'real critic'
Zoom Zoom No.212725873
>>212725831
What's wrong with that, if we didn't base things on surface level bullshit without engaging on anything further we wouldn't have this thread
Anonymous No.212725884
>>212725799
>>212725831
tbf Superman in general is liberalcore, seeing leftists and conservatives fight over him has always been funny
Anonymous No.212725898
>>212725868
Doug Walker
Anonymous No.212725910 >>212725953
>>212725868
Anyone who doesn't have "Zoom Zoom" as their username.
Anonymous No.212725914
>>212725121 (OP)
Good luck with that
Anonymous No.212725928 >>212726451 >>212726563
116 vs 125
Zoom Zoom No.212725953 >>212725977
>>212725813
>>212725910
I'm not, but he is. He literally gets paid by a major magazine to review movies while I'm just some retard on a Burmese Bronze Bust forum.
Anonymous No.212725955 >>212726035
>>212725799
His political stance doesn't matter, it's all about what he conveys on film
Anonymous No.212725977 >>212726021 >>212726117
>>212725953
So he was right that superhero movies by Snyder are fine, which makes him superior to you
Anonymous No.212726002
>>212725121 (OP)
The only review that matters.
Zoom Zoom No.212726021 >>212726162
>>212725977
>makes him superior to you
Apart from being gay and a Snyder fan; yes he is better than me.
Anonymous No.212726035
>>212725955
theres nothing republican coded about Snyder's Superman, if anything he shows more left wing values, unless you count the jesus stuff as being republican but jesus wouldn't be a republican
Anonymous No.212726051 >>212726173
>gunnfags absolutely livid it

Fucking beautiful
Anonymous No.212726057
>>212725121 (OP)
This mf is still alive??
Anonymous No.212726058
>>212725121 (OP)
holy assmad
Anonymous No.212726063 >>212726151 >>212726199
Grant Morrison described Snyder’s Superman as libertarian
Anonymous No.212726116
>>212725742
> Ugh so he's a covid denier, fuck this guy
Anonymous No.212726117 >>212726267 >>212726293 >>212726349 >>212726768 >>212727057
>>212725977
One has to wonder what it is about Snyder in particular that got people so riled up. It's not worse than the MCU as a whole. The one thing the MCU did right was to have an interconnected movie universe and actually take their time with establishing it. From what I gather, the seethe comes from the fact that he made the films self-important while not necessarily providing the needed foundation to prop that up, but still.
Snyder tried to make superhero films that were epic in the way, say, LOTR or Troy are epic. I liked that approach.
Anonymous No.212726151
>>212726063
I think it's silly to describe Superman as strictly left or right leaning, he's more of a centrist and humanist, although he's been depicted as both right/left depending on the writer's bias.
Anonymous No.212726162
>>212726021
You named the two things that make him superior to you but pretend they don't make him superior to you
Anonymous No.212726173
>>212726051
>gunnfags absolutely livid it
Anonymous No.212726199
>>212726063
superman is libertarian left
Anonymous No.212726267
>>212726117
My take, as unbiased as possible: Good visuals (actually mog nuSuperman), mediocre writing and dialogue, middle of the road performances.
He should have finished his series either way. WB did him dirty.
Anonymous No.212726293
>>212726117
The idea was great. The approach was great. The visuals were great. The execution was dogshit. Snyderfags are in love with the idea of what the Snyderverse should have been, and are angry at the industry and WB for torpedoing it… when they should be mad at Snyder himself for poor execution of his grand and noble vision for the characters and the world…
Anonymous No.212726294 >>212726386 >>212726414 >>212726420 >>212726617
>discourse around the newest Superman in MOS

I finally realized the saying

>People fear what they don't understand

Is true

The new superman is just your typical cape slop.
And why? Because the second anyone in the past try to do something different people freaked out

Before MOS there was the hulk.
And guess what that movie was blasted too for being not cape slop.

And I can't for the love of me understand anyone saying the later Hulk movie is better unless they are sub 80 IQ
Zoom Zoom No.212726349 >>212726466 >>212726521
>>212726117
>One has to wonder what it is about Snyder in particular that got people so riled up.
It's the fact that he's a mega-hack. Corpo slop peddlers like Whedon or Favreau never acted like their shit was going to save the world or be seen as the Citizen Kane of their generation, while Snyder (and especially his few non-Indian fans) had insane delusions of grandeur that were pathetic compared to what he actually made.
>It's not worse than the MCU as a whole
That's what we're trying to say, his shit is as bad as MCU slop from the time but Snyderfags will insist his three below average at best movies are the greatest Superhero films ever made anytime they get mentioned.
>he seethe comes from the fact that he made the films self-important while not necessarily providing the needed foundation to prop that up
No, it comes from the fact that his films are incredibly long and somehow still managed to be overstuffed with underdeveloped characters that act with no sense of rhyme or reason, whilst also being filled with shitty Bollywood CG slow-mo fight scenes that have aged as well as choppy slow-mo shit from the late 90s/early 00s has.
>Snyder tried to make superhero films that were epic in the way, say, LOTR or Troy are epic
What makes him so frustrating is that he succeeded in doing this with Watchmen, which nobody really talks about that much. Instead, people say this about his objectively terrible DCEU movies that reek of curry and dewritos.
Anonymous No.212726373
Wow an e-celeb has an opinion about capeshit that's so HECKIN COOLERINO
Anonymous No.212726386
>>212726294
Just have to be resigned to the fact that 99% of the audience who consume this source material are culturally retarded and shallow. Which begs the question: isn’t nuSuperman and all the capeslop before and to come supposed to be shallow garbage? Maybe it’s for the best? Maybe slop consumers deserve to swim in the shit-pools they so love…
Anonymous No.212726401
>>212725304
More aesthetic than some fart jokes.
Zoom Zoom No.212726414 >>212726466
>>212726294
>Before MOS there was the hulk.
No, there was Watchmen, which unlike MOS was actually good because he read/liked the comic and characters he was making a movie of.
Anonymous No.212726420 >>212726484
>>212726294
Completely agree, but I think people like us are a minority in an already kind of niche interest. Yes, superhero movies generally do well in the box office, but the source material is still rather unknown, and not everyone has an eye for what a truly good superhero movie is. I knew Ang Lee would win an Oscar when I saw this movie as a kid, and he went on to win several. This movie that is one of the most lambasted in all of cinema.
Anonymous No.212726451 >>212726523
>>212725928
OH NONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous No.212726466 >>212726513
>>212726349
>>212726414
Actually he mishandled Watchmen. But it's fine, he tried his best and the visuals were cool.
Zoom Zoom No.212726484 >>212726524
>>212726420
>I knew Ang Lee would win an Oscar when I saw this movie as a kid
You'd actually know he would win one if you saw any of his Taiwanese movies or Ride With The Devil (criminally, criminally underrated historically accurate Civil War kino).
Zoom Zoom No.212726513
>>212726466
The thing with Watchmen is that it's not a perfect adaptation, but it's a good movie on its own merits that has aged well; which I can't say for pretty much anything Snyder has made since, especially his superhero stuff.
Anonymous No.212726521 >>212726577
>>212726349
Lot of projection in this post. Unpack yourself
Anonymous No.212726523 >>212726563 >>212726628
>>212726451
Anonymous No.212726524
>>212726484
Again, I saw the film as a kid. I just knew he had the X factor even then, before my teens.
Anonymous No.212726563
>>212725928
,>>212726523

Now show me the international debut numbe-ACK
Anonymous No.212726570 >>212726632 >>212726891
>>212725121 (OP)
Dawn of the Dead
8/10
300
7.5/10
Watchmen
9/10
Owl flick
10/10
Sucker Punch
4/10
MoS
8/10
BvS Ultimate edition
5.5/10
ZSJL
8.5/10
Netflix shit - didn't watch
Zoom Zoom No.212726577 >>212726629
>>212726521
>Lot of projection in this post.
How? I haven't made any shitty movies and Snyder has made several.
Anonymous No.212726616 >>212727344 >>212727983
>>212725304
This is real, isn't it?
Anonymous No.212726617
>>212726294
The amount of actually good superhero movies can be counted on one hand. They've never reached the heights of the source material, although they've never reached the lows either, it's a weird spot to be in.
Anonymous No.212726628 >>212726666
>>212726523
https://youtu.be/U1UtRnGn5hc?si=ZGGsVKTO_zoUlGgr
Anonymous No.212726629 >>212726646
>>212726577
>How?
Good, the first step in self reflection is asking questions. Keep unpacking
Anonymous No.212726632
>>212726570
>Netflix shit - didn't watch
Nor should you. It’s basically more Sucker Punch. I think he lost all his juice after making the greatest capekino of all time, BvS.
Zoom Zoom No.212726646 >>212728717
>>212726629
It can't be projection if I'm not a filmmaker myself retard
Anonymous No.212726654 >>212726724
>>212725121 (OP)
I didn't get what his issue with Nolan is. He makes premium midwit cinema, which is as true to the medium as it gets. It's the epitome of a moviegoing experience. Low brow stuff and arthouse Oscarbait are new age perversions.
Anonymous No.212726666 >>212726762
>>212726628
>including thursday
Zoom Zoom No.212726724
>>212726654
>I didn't get what his issue with Nolan is
Much like Snyder he gets high off his own farts and is incredibly pretentious, but unlike Snyder his movies make bank and more of them have been at least good.
Anonymous No.212726745
>>212725121 (OP)
>then extracts any romance from Superman’s relationship with reporter Lois Lane (Rachel Brosnahan is grating throughout their meant-to-be-flirty spats).
He's right. Lois seemed unbearable (and mid)
Anonymous No.212726762 >>212726823
>>212726666
>Gunnkek thinks 125M doesn't include pre-screenings
Anonymous No.212726768 >>212726873
>>212726117
I don't really care much about the actual films, they're pretentious mashing together of action figures presented as if they are profound. Dumb things I would have forgotten long ago, had it not been for his overbearing, ever present obnoxious fans who appear to have no personality or even interest in film other than propping up his films as the be all and end all of cinema, and seem motivated 100% by the feeling of being like "the underdog".
Anonymous No.212726800
eh, at least it's not anime
Anonymous No.212726823 >>212726897
>>212726762
That isn't pre-screenings though is it, anon? You're leaving out Man of Steel opening sales in Walmart locations on Thursday, a one off occurrence other films did not have.
Anonymous No.212726855 >>212727007
>>212725799
Right wing people can separate the art from the artist while left wingers can't.
Anonymous No.212726873
>>212726768
SnyderChad here, have watched most of Bergman, Tarkovsky, Kieslowski, Kiraostami, Kurosawa, Ozu, Kobayashi, Mizoguchi, Naruse, Feloni, Godard. True Cinephile.
Anonymous No.212726891 >>212726980 >>212727111
>>212726570
>Owl flick
>10/10
You've got to be kidding. I was eager to see this one. The visual style looked great, still looks great. Removed entirely from his bad blocking of scenes and direction of actors on set an placed entirely in the digital realm seemed ideal. But the film was completely half-baked, it moved at five hundred miles an hour just skipping over every plot point and character. It felt like it was missing at least a full half hour of film.
Anonymous No.212726897 >>212726919
>>212726823
>You can add pre-screenings of my flick which started from Monday.
>Y-You can add Thursday Walmart t-ticket sales!
Gunnsisters.........
Anonymous No.212726919 >>212726926 >>212727127
>>212726897
You very specifically said pre-screenings, anon. You're trying to present an incomplete picture on purpose and you know it.
Anonymous No.212726926 >>212727081
>>212726919
>N-No!
Concession accepted.
Zoom Zoom No.212726980
>>212726891
100% agreed. I remember nothing after the Owl City song started playing and remembered being kind of disappointed by it (especially given it didn't follow the book that much, which I liked :().
Song was good though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukgvTE3A0Ic
Anonymous No.212727007
>>212726855
This. Left wing is a religion in itself.
Anonymous No.212727031 >>212727088 >>212728046
Mr Terrific (an ally) injected the trackers into Superman, they're called the Justice Gang not the Green Lantern League, and the irl war analogue is Israel, not Ukraine. He can't even follow the movie, let alone analyze it.
Anonymous No.212727057 >>212727096
>>212726117
It's not people that are riled up, it's comicfags. Superman's fanbase is particularly autistic and any deviation from how they perceive the character is met with unbridled anger. Most other fanbases will tolerate and even welcome different takes on the character but Superfags are incapable of that. They still haven't gotten over Snyder portraying Superman in a way they didn't approve of.
Anonymous No.212727081
>>212726926
Nowhere in that post is a "no u".
Zoom Zoom No.212727088
>>212727031
>Mr Terrific (an ally) injected the trackers into Superman
He did that AIDS needle thing
Anonymous No.212727096 >>212727211
>>212727057
This. Snyder films did well internationally, nerds won't like it but his films have a global appeal.
Anonymous No.212727111
>>212726891
>It felt like it was missing at least a full half hour of film.
the most baffling part was them doing a "you've all come so far" run-down of characters like they were summarizing a whole film's journey, and half the characters had just shown up like one scene earlier
Anonymous No.212727127
>>212726919
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Superman-(2025)#tab=box-office
Bro do you not actually know when superman opened?
Anonymous No.212727211 >>212727234 >>212727871
>>212727096
>Snyder films did well internationally
yeah so do transformer movies and jurrasic world movies
Anonymous No.212727234 >>212727285
>>212727211
Seems like a bad idea to make your shitty capeslop film for only the domestic market!
Anonymous No.212727285 >>212727321
>>212727234
maybe but it doesn't change how i feel about a film, actually that's not true because if you told me brown and third world people disliked something while americans liked it i might be more inclined to see it
Anonymous No.212727321 >>212727346 >>212727766
>>212727285
Bet you love gay faggot tranny movies full of NIGGERS then lmfao
Anonymous No.212727344
>>212726616
Have you not seen MoS?
Anonymous No.212727346
>>212727321
yes
Anonymous No.212727488
>>212725121 (OP)
Kino review but Covid related schizo babbble could have been scrapped really, as it undermines the rest of the article.
Anonymous No.212727650
>>212725121 (OP)
At least someone saw through Gunn's crass garbage even if he praises Snyder's dreariness
Anonymous No.212727702
>>212725742
Was there really not a single solitary thing about the covid era that set off your bullshit detector?
Anonymous No.212727735
>>212725121 (OP)
>>212725177
Based SnyderChad.
Anonymous No.212727766
>>212727321
>anon starts kicking and screaming and seething whenever he sees a black man on the street
Anonymous No.212727871
>>212727211
Transformers 1 and 3 are certified kino. 5 is a cringekino.
Anonymous No.212727983 >>212728076
>>212725304
>>212726616
>this nigga has never seen a sarcaphagus
Anonymous No.212727994
>>212725121 (OP)
a glib facsimile
Anonymous No.212728046
>>212727031
>and the irl war analogue is Israel, not Ukraine.
Source?
Anonymous No.212728076 >>212728264
>>212727983
More like saar cock fagus
Anonymous No.212728144 >>212728299
>>212725121 (OP)
>Luthor combats Superman through a combination of science and technology — injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman’s bloodstream — using methods that recall the hideous Covid manipulation.
So he hasn't seen the movie??
Anonymous No.212728174
pack it up Gunnbros... its joever... :(
Anonymous No.212728196 >>212728580
>>212725214
Hes a great writer but my God, just blow Snyder at this point. His movies were ok but his Superman was grossly out of character and Eiseinberg made Lex act crazier than the joker.
Anonymous No.212728264
>>212728076
Ke, you motherfucker, literally beat me to it. I was about to say more like sarcofaggus.
Anonymous No.212728299
>>212728144
Yea this was a weird fuck up. Also thinking Gunn was commenting on Ukraine when it seems more likely it was a jab at Israel.
Zoom Zoom No.212728580
>>212728196
>just blow Snyder at this point
I think he wants to...
Anonymous No.212728717
>>212726646
You mentioned much more than filmmaking my retard friend. Still have more unpacking to do, keep going