So can any snyderbros tell me what they actually mean when they say the Snyderverse was about the "mythology" of Superman? Like, what does that actually mean, beyond just being a more "epic" way of calling it an origin story?

its because they Gods a lot that means its about mythology. also herecules was literally in the snydercut

Snyder's version of Superman deals with so much Kryptonian lore it's basically a Dune movie.

>>212726669 (OP)
Gunn’s Superman was a Jesus stand in though, and did it better.

>>212726889
Examples? Because we get the extended Krypton scene but, outside of aesthetics, I don't see what separates it from any other "Krypton tore itself apart" version of the story.

>>212726669 (OP)
He's Jesus or something

>>212726669 (OP)
he's jeebus

When Snyderchads invoke mythology, they don’t mean flashy CGI or obligatory Marvel-style cameos, we’re pointing to something rare in the modem day; mythic cinema that operates on intellectual, emotional and archetypal layers.
Snyder’s Superman isn’t a quip machine it’s a cosmic parable grappling with the alienation, existential grief, sacrifice and the burden of divinity collapsing into humanity that comes from a truly great heroes actions.

That weight persists in the films where Clark isn’t just choosing good he’s grappling with a cosmic inheritance. Each step he step he takes reverberates through his universe and literally ushers in a new age of heroes.

Contrast that with Gunn’s Superman (2025) bright instagram filter friendly décor, comedic cameos and a canine mascot stealing every memorable moment. So called critics laud it for having "charm and optimism" but beneath the Instagram filters lies emotional flimsiness unwilling to commit to the story that dilutes Superman into a goodwill mascot disconnected from mythic potency .

What Snyder did was more than an origin he invoked myth. Krypton’s twilight, Kal-El’s anguished awakening and that post-9/11 trauma kiss in rubble all of it references the crucible of classical epics and biblical archetypes. Superman becomes Prometheus and Moses interwoven, not just a PR-friendly brand.

Gunn’s Superman by contrast, feels like an algorithmic compromise to the Snyder era a forced "wholesome" frictionless, cameo‑rich…and void of true resonance corporate slop product.

It resets with fake sincerity, sidesteps moral paradox, and literally trots out a dog in his cape instead of confronting the myth of Superman.

That's not evolution in a story, it’s emotional sanitization a funko pop pandering product for brainless consoomers.

>>212726669 (OP)
What they mean is that instead of portraying the characters as real people, they portray them as myths. It's like portraying King Arthur as a real person vs how Excalibur, Snyder's favorite movie does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUdnp7Kf86U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61nCIyBCmjg
Consider this scene where Superman saves the little girl from the fire. Instead of being filmed like a documentary of some guy rescuing a girl, it is filmed like Christ himself has descended to walk among us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxcXyK2_CzM

The duality of /tv/ posters

you must look at my cinegrid of epic contrast posed shots
it is mythological! there is a reference to a painting whose creator I can't name!

>>212727338
>>212725003

He's just copypasting, he doesn't believe a word of what he's typing.

>>212727268
The problem is Snyder is an inferior director to John Boorman, and his style of "inspiration" tends to be nothing more than surface level recreation.

>>212727268
Respectfully it sounds like the only real "difference" is just aesthetic. And even then I don't know how much I like the idea of trying to make Snyderman seem like "not a real person", it kinda goes against the whole point of the character. There's a reason the character lands on earth as a baby to be raised by humans instead of simply arriving as a fully formed man, his humanity is the point.

>>212726669 (OP)
It means snyderjeets have the same potato IQ as their overlord.

Krypton shit was a straight up Avatar knock off so could push post Avatar 3D bullshit

>>212727438
>Respectfully it sounds like the only real "difference" is just aesthetic.
I'll give you another example. Consider how Ben Hur treats both Ben Hur himself and Jesus Christ.
https://youtu.be/cDoyywKt1_0?si=FBrizbfrKYloZcKT
Then there is the 2016 remake, where he's just some guy.
https://youtu.be/UbaIMskmPKA?si=DQ_CeImhFO-3q8mw
It's not about humanity. It's about decoupling from reality, transcending realism to turn it into a myth. Richard Donner was trying to do the exact same thing. Richard Lester, who reshot Superman 2, reflected that what Donner was going for was a kind of mythic quality. Think about Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence doesn't come across as a real person, but rather a kind of superhuman archetype. His piercing blue eyes as he accomplishes what no mere man could ever do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARaYjgm_rA

>>212727438
Gunn's Superman is secular. Donner/Snyder's intentionally supernatural. The reason Superman is an emotionally powerful character is that he represents God's relationship with man, and his powers are divine gifts. His feats, miracles. Gunn doesn't understand religion, and so his Superman film is emotionally empty, lacking in the passion of belief that with the help of God, or Superman, his only begotten son, we can accomplish the impossible. "With God, all things are possible."

This is why Zack Snyder's Justice League has been described as "Biblical". Because it is framed in a similar manner to films like The Ten Commandments. They are on a mission from God, to vanquish space Satan and his armies.

>>212726669 (OP)
detailed krypton a little, like cameron did with pandora but to a lesser extent

>>212727254
>When Snyderchads invoke mythology, they don’t mean flashy CGI or obligatory Marvel-style cameos, we’re pointing to something rare in the modem day; mythic cinema that operates on intellectual, emotional and archetypal layers.
>Snyder’s Superman isn’t a quip machine it’s a cosmic parable grappling with the alienation, existential grief, sacrifice and the burden of divinity collapsing into humanity that comes from a truly great heroes actions.

>That weight persists in the films where Clark isn’t just choosing good he’s grappling with a cosmic inheritance. Each step he step he takes reverberates through his universe and literally ushers in a new age of heroes.

>Contrast that with Gunn’s Superman (2025) bright instagram filter friendly décor, comedic cameos and a canine mascot stealing every memorable moment. So called critics laud it for having "charm and optimism" but beneath the Instagram filters lies emotional flimsiness unwilling to commit to the story that dilutes Superman into a goodwill mascot disconnected from mythic potency .

>What Snyder did was more than an origin he invoked myth. Krypton’s twilight, Kal-El’s anguished awakening and that post-9/11 trauma kiss in rubble all of it references the crucible of classical epics and biblical archetypes. Superman becomes Prometheus and Moses interwoven, not just a PR-friendly brand.

>Gunn’s Superman by contrast, feels like an algorithmic compromise to the Snyder era a forced "wholesome" frictionless, cameo‑rich…and void of true resonance corporate slop product.

>It resets with fake sincerity, sidesteps moral paradox, and literally trots out a dog in his cape instead of confronting the myth of Superman.

>That's not evolution in a story, it’s emotional sanitization a funko pop pandering product for brainless consoomers.

>>212727254
Goyer and Nolan did all that. snyderfags like you just try to claim that everything that Nolan and goyer did was Snyder's doing which is wrong

>>212726700
>they gods a lot

Are you serious?

>>212728163
It is 100% true that Gunn has traded away the spirituality and gravity of Snyder's take for empty, contemporary, flaccid secularism. I can't think of a single thing in this new Superman that made me think it was about God's relationship with man, which is the core theme of Donner's and Snyder's Superman.

>>212728203
Snyder is an Excalibur megafan. While he shot Goyer/Nolan's script, he was pushing the films to be more mythical from the start. However, he was also following in the footsteps of Richard Donner, who rewrote Superman into literally Jesus Christ, only begotten son of Jor-El.

>>212727254
how did you glean that from the car wreck that was MoS

for me it was when the two gods stopped fighting because both of their mommys are named martha

>>212728346
it was very mythological and biblical

>>212728228
No, there's no godfag 'core theme'. No one expected you to think about any of your "lofty" notions of 'god's relationship with man'.

Comic book movie. Colors, fun, adventure, jokes.

You have really off-base expectations from a fucking kids movie. You're dragging Donner in where he doesn't belong in all this. If he were alive and somehow believed in an opposition of Supermans, he certainly wouldn't have sided with what Snyder did. No fucking way. Gunn's interpretation is far closer to Donners if you even want to compare apples to oranges.

This is all dumb. We just love Superman so we're going to watch all of them. No boycotts, no protests. We love the character no matter who brings him to the screen. You're making this about way too much. It's just a fucking summer popcorn movie. Snyder seemed to not get that memo and everyone knows it. Before all this was a fucking identity to people it was just movies. Go read the contemporary MoS reviews. Not shit seen through the lens of the last decade.

>>212727438
>Respectfully it sounds like the only real "difference" is just aesthetic
no shit ur talking about art its all aesthetic

>>212727254
True, don't let the indians tell you otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYFtboBejA

>>212728228
Gunn focus on Jesus as suffering man, it’s a Catholic Christian take.

>>212727644
This still feels extremely superficial to me though, it just kinda feels like people pointing at actual historical myths and then saying "Snyderverse looks like this". It's not showcasing greatness of it's own, it's just trying to evoke the greatness of others.

>Remember the harrowing story of Jesus Christ?
>Well look, Clark's posing like Jesus, so it's just like that!

>>212728397
Snyderverse in a nutshell.
>Themes? Character? Storyline?
>It's 𝔞rt, all that matters is aesthetics

>>212728396
>You're dragging Donner in where he doesn't belong in all this. If he were alive and somehow believed in an opposition of Supermans, he certainly wouldn't have sided with what Snyder did. No fucking way. Gunn's interpretation is far closer to Donners if you even want to compare apples to oranges.
No, Gunn's take is like Richard Lester's take. This is how Donner described the difference between his Superman and Donner's and it perfectly describes the different between Snyder and Gunn.
>"Donner was emphasizing a kind of grandiose myth. There was a kind of David Lean-ish attempt in several sequences, and enormous scale. There was a type of epic quality which isn't in my nature, so my work really didn't embrace that...That's not me. That's his vision of it. I'm more quirky and I play around with slightly more unexpected silliness."
Does that sound like Snyder or Gunn to you? Which director is trying to shoot Superman like it's a David Lean movie?

>>212728485
>>Remember the harrowing story of Jesus Christ?
>>Well look, Clark's posing like Jesus, so it's just like that!
That's missing the point a bit. Snyder's Superman is modelled after King Arthur, from Excalibur. In Excalibur, King Arthur represents Jesus. But it's more complex than that. "The land and the king are one."

Think about how Excalibur is very different to a realistic King Arthur film, and you understand Snyder. Remember 300? He treated Superman exactly like this. As a myth being retold to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-JRoxmzRiE

I am kinda bummed that Gunn didn't go campy enough

>>212728263
Snyder did none of that

>>212728489
Lester was the one who said this retard

>>212727384
See here nigger, even if you disagree with what he's saying, the difference between MoS and Gunn's shalomman is that you can analyze MoS in the way he does, and at most seem like a pseud. Applying the same kind of analysis to shalomman, one would come off as some kind of retard, because the movie is just trite and surface level. Even if you don't believe that MoS has depth the experience is atmospheric to the degree of evoking feelings, while shalomman trades every attempt at depth for some shitty sign of insecurity through a meta joke or self reference to some gay political agenda. I did not feel anything watching shalomman.

>>212728612
Typo. Thanks for the correction, anon. The point is that Donner Superman is deliberately modelled after Jesus Christ. Snyder leaned into that, but he's also an Excalibur fan, and he oriented the entire plot of BvS to mirror Excalibur because he's a man of taste. Also ZSJL quotes lines from Excalibur because of course it does.

>>212728489
There is no division here. If you like Superman you don't become "loyal" to one director and preemptively refuse to see and rally against another director. These people doing this shit don't really care about Superman. And no, you can't argue that they REALLY care and that's why they're fighting. That's dumb because it's missing Superman.

No football fan skips the Super Bowl because his team isn't playing.

This is all nonsense. Think about how your identity politics became entwined in who is making a comic book movie and wake up before it's too late.

>>212728729
You have weird religious interpretations of a 50 year old comic movie. Too bad there's no evidence of that.

no one cared about superman until man of steel. then everyone had an opinion.

kino.

>>212728770
If only they had good opinions on Man of Steel. What a joyless slog that was.

>>212728738
>There is no division here. If you like Superman you don't become "loyal" to one director and preemptively refuse to see and rally against another director.
I'm sorry, but that's not how auteur cinema works. It's very common for people to be primarily fans of one director's work, and not really care for other directors tackling it.

Like how a lot of people only really like James Cameron Terminator films. To some people, Superman on his own is that not that interesting. They care about that idea filtered through a particular director's vision.

For example, a lot of people are not that into Star Wars unless George Lucas is writing or directing. Without Lucas Star Wars is just... meh. The non-Lucas stuff is what it is. It has fans. But some people are like, no Lucas, no buy.

Some people are not interested in Superman outside of Zack Snyder's vision of him. The character is not the interesting part. It's that combo of actor and director.

>>212728659
That's because of goyer and Nolan and not because of Snyder, retard

>>212728791
>muh joy
go do mdma if you just want your feel good receptors prodded

>>212728770
Snyder invented superman. >>212728738
Shut the fuck up, jeet

>>212727268
Fuck just watching one scene of Synder has more depth then the entire Gunn movie.

I liked Man of Steel and this new movie

>>212728753
Are you a complete retard?
https://screenrant.com/superman-movie-religious-themes-response-richard-donner/

>>212728826
Did I mention Snyder once?

>>212728821
>auteur cinema
I don't even dislike Snyder but there's nothing auteur about a popular action director making a movie based on extremely popular commercial franchises.

>Like how a lot of people only really like James Cameron Terminator films
>a lot of people are not that into Star Wars unless George Lucas is writing or directing.
The core difference is Cameron MADE Terminator, Lucas MADE Star Wars, and neither franchise has been rebooted and still run off their original continuities. It makes sense to want Star Wars to still feel like Lucas movies, because the new stuff is meant to be in that exact same world.

Meanwhile Superman's had dozens of reboots and interpretations before Man of Steel and will continue to have dozens afterwards. It's fine to only like Snyder's version of Superman, but if you dislike all versions that came before and after, you can't credibly call yourself a Superman fan. It's like calling yourself a Beatles while saying every album besides White Album, or saying you love James Bond movies call everything besides Skyfall boring.

>>212729006
>It's like calling yourself a Beatles while saying every album besides White Album sucks*

Don't post at 2am without proofreading ffs

>>212729006
Auteur cinema is when you can tell who the director is when you watch it.

>>212728821
Yes, they are Snyder fans, not Superman fans. That's all I'm suggesting. They shouldn't pretend that it's about the treatment of their beloved character. I guess to consider Snyder 'an auteur' is to be in some mindset I couldn't possibly understand. That'd be like being loyal to Michael Bay if anyone else touched the fucking Transformers. lol
And Superman is no less silly a franchise than Transformers is. I guess there are no great minds at work defending any of it. As an observer I just see all sorts of hypocrisy and ridiculous shit flying back and forth over something so silly. There's no real artistic merit in Snyder's movies. And just making that point is what sets this stuff off. It's like a bunch of non-creative people who don't really understand "art", taking up arms for their little tribe who likes big dumb action movies and gets offended when critics dare to suggest they aren't at all deep or thought-provoking. To even have to be a critic these days and have mostly comic movies to review must be excruciating anyway.
It's just so silly. It's part of something bigger than the movies. It's an "Us vs. Them" thing. You see politics and 'woke' and 'jews' and all sorts of other shit being applied to a simple summer popcorn man in tights movie.

>>212728851
lol, now I can't even keep up. I thought the 'jeets' were the Snyder team. Which "side" is which now? Do you even know what you're arguing about?

>>212729006
Something you have to accept is most people don't give a shit about comic books. To them, there's Snyder's Superman, there's some other TV shows and stuff, and then there's this new reboot. Superman is defined in pop culture primarily as his work.

It's very similar to how most Mission Impossible fans are fans of Tom Cruise, not of the TV show he appropriated. Most fans of The Mummy are not fans unless Brendan Fraser is involved.

You can make all the interpretations and reboots you want. End of the day, Snyder's version is a big dick-shaped pillar right in the middle of the scenery. A lot of people find Superman to be a boring, uninteresting, glib kind of character unless Snyder is involved. Similarly, a lot of people don't care about Wonder Woman unless it's Snyder's version.

A lot of "Bourne Identity" fans only like the Matt Damon films. They don't care about the books and don't care about the earlier film versions.

>>212729006
This. Nailed it.

>>212729006
Great take but I’d put Donner in close to Cameron and Lucas when it comes to Superman. His version been used in every Superman movie since. Even Snynder with the Jesus shit and using Zod

>>212729091
I'm gonna agree with this. People's version of a certain character is usually the first version they see. For a lot of people now the first version of superman they saw was Synder's

>>212729047
>That'd be like being loyal to Michael Bay if anyone else touched the fucking Transformers. lol
There's a reason nobody gives a single fuck about any Transformer film except Bay's first trilogy. Paramount are already in talks to bring Bay back because they know that without him, people are not interested at all in Transformers.

>>212729091
You're assuming a lot about things YOU enjoy. There are not "a lot" of people just like you it turns out. No matter how you frame this as some war you're winning. Superman has always and will always be so much bigger than Cavill and Snyder. How can you see so much that isn't there? It's just not there. It's not deep and allegorical and heavy and meaningful. It's slo-mo dark seriousness that doesn't earn its attempted pretentiousness. It's laughable. You people are like lowest common denominator minds but you see all this depth in a really stupid corporate misfire. I know there's really no way for you to see it from any other perspective though. It's like arguing politics with someone out of their depth and deep into their beliefs of "how it is". It's pointless.

You go ahead and enjoy your Snydershit. But it's over. He's not coming back to DC. His work will not be reappraised and considered all amazing someday by mainstream critics either. You guys can keep liking it. Support his netflix endeavors. Or are you next going to claim it's not only not about Superman, it's not even about Snyder, that it's ONLY that combo and you couldn't give a flying fuck what else he does. In which case, I guess live it up. Because there will be no more opportunity for you to defend Snyder DC in another month. It just won't be a topic. Or will you guys come back with this whenever anything DC happens? That'll be interesting. I'm sure you'll move on to something else.

>>212729091
>Something you have to accept is most people don't give a shit about comic books.
>To them, there's Snyder's Superman, there's some other TV shows and stuff, and then there's this new reboot.
>A lot of people find Superman to be a boring, uninteresting, glib kind of character unless Snyder is involved

Respectfully, then they aren't Superman fans. It's not like he's some niche character only comic book fans like, the Donner movies were arguably the first blockbuster comic book movies and were so culturally relevant that they tried to revive that universe in the 2005 movie to cash in on that popularity. The 90's animated series lived on for twenty years through DCAU entries and several animated adaptations of Superman's popular stories exist, and if you want to argue that people aren't interested in cartoons, both Lois & Clark and Smallville were extremely popular live action shows that were still very much in recent memory when MoS came out.

Man of Steel didn't "introduce" Superman to the mainstream world, in fact outside of Batman and Spiderman it's safe to say he's probably the most adapted superhero characters of all time. As mentioned before, if none of those previous adaptations interested them, that's totally valid, you don't have to like them. But you don't get to talk about being a Superman fan when you either dislike 99% of Superman related media, or have absolutely no interest in looking into it. It's fine to just be a Snyder fan, just don't LARP as something you aren't.

>>212729268
lol, everyone involved with Bay or Transformers fandom is a certified mouthbreathing moron and I don't care. I was joking. The fact that there is serious talk about any of that is more sad than funny though.

I'm with Scorsese on all this. I just don't like this direction for film at all.

>>212729313
It's sad arguing with zoomers who think the world is one way when it isn't. But then you have to realize that to them maybe it IS the reality. If they're all that stupid it just becomes reality. If they all believe it.

>>212729047
>You see politics and 'woke' and 'jews' and all sorts of other shit being applied to a simple summer popcorn man in tights movie.
>full on in your face references to israel & palestine/Russia & Ukraine
>full on scene analogously dissing on American intervention in these sorts of conflicts
yea ok

>>212729006
So does not liking every single Superman or Beatles album mean you're not a fan of either? No, you can enjoy only White Album and be a Beatles fan because it is still the Beatles who made it, even if you only like that specific state of the Beatles when they made White Album. The statement "I like the Beatles" is not falsified if you only like White Album. To say "I only like that era of the Beatles when they made White Album" is more specific, but that is also the same as saying "I like every era of the Beatles" because that only means you like every iteration of the Beatles, which is coincidental to your tastes, not that you objectively like the Beatles. This is because each Beatles album is different, and for that reason it's reasonable to not like every single Beatles album or only like specific ones and appreciate the Beatles as a whole, for their inspiration in creating that single album that you liked, even if you can't appreciate the inspiration they showed on their other albums.
The same is especially true of Superman. To be a Superman fan, especially in a series with so many interpretations, is to enjoy at least one of those interpretations. This doesn't even imply you hate all other interpretations, but that you only enjoyed one. You could even hate all the other ones and only enjoy one and still be a Superman fan, because each of them are of some integrity to the identity of Superman, as long as Superman exists.

>>212729369
You're mixing metaphors. Superman is neither a band nor an album. It's a genre. It's rock (or punk). Snyder isn't the Beatles or the White Album. None of that works whether you or the other anon created it.
There's no arguing that you are a Superman fan but you only like Snyder/Cavill.

>>212729066
>Which "side" is which now? Do you even know what you're arguing about?
Ignore that guy, he's an Indian who impersonates me on the board because I made fun of his lord and savior saar Snyder.
He always says "shut up jeet" instead of any of the more creative anti-Indian slurs and posts I come up with.

>>212729443
>it's a genre
No, you're being retarded, and what you meant to say is it's like a genre, in that it's more broad, which is exactly what I was getting at by saying it's more so that you can like one iteration of Superman and be a Superman fan, as Superman has so many iterations, each hold some integrity to who Superman is. If you really mean to say Superman is a genre, learn english.

>>212726669 (OP)
Even then, I don't give a flying fuck about the mythology. I want a comic adaptation.

>>212726669 (OP)
>was about the "mythology" of Superman?
When did they say that?

>>212729269
Anon, I get your perspective. The problem is this... We are still talking about Snyder's Superman. The new reboot just came out, and we are spending more time talking about Snyder than about the new one. That is such a bad indication. The Nolan/Snyder/Goyer/Terrio/Cavill Superman is so incredibly dominant in pop culture, it's hard to move the needle against it. In a modern political climate, he's the only COOL Superman. The only one that people feel they can personally apply to their own lives in a post-War on Terror world. Gunn's new Superman film is fine, but the cultural impact it's having is so slight. People were shocked by Snyder Superman and it left these cuts, deep cuts, that have healed into scar tissue.

When people think of Krypton, they think of the golden phallic fantasy world of Man of Steel. So much about Snyder's vision of Superman has lingered in the mind, in the subconscious.
>Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4VG7yigm08

You know part of the trick here? Man of Steel and Snyder Superman in general is so distinctly HIS. When you try to vaguely imitate Snyder you get forgettable nonsense like The Flash. This sense of identity helps sabotage future attempts at Superman because people's idea of Superman becomes this moody, unique thing that is difficult to replicate.

>>212729511
>I want a comic adaptation.
Best you'll get is Justice Gang vs. Lex Luthor feat. irritable Zoomerman or "what if x but le dark" 00s teenager shit with lots of slow mo.

>>212729066
Synder fans were proven to be indian around the time the batman came out. Since they can't speak English well enough to come up with their own insult, they just started call anyone who spook badly about Synder "jeets"

>>212729313
I would argue that Smallville is not really a Superman show, but rather a show that extends the rather appealing premise of Clark Kent on the farm into something much bigger (Really fun show.) The sticking point has always been Superman. The grown man. Nobody except Snyder and Nolan really had a workable idea for how to turn him into a "cool" character that would work in a modern climate. I like the new Gunn film well enough, but it's so fucking forgettable. It's harmless, bland, meh.

>>212726700
>>212728223
>they Gods a lot
this shit is killing me good lord

>>212729543
I was bitterly disappointed by the music in the new Superman.

>>212726669 (OP)
>"mythology" of Superman
Slowmo camera pan is the mythology

>>212729369
>So does not liking every single Superman or Beatles album mean you're not a fan of either? No, you can enjoy only White Album and be a Beatles fan because it is still the Beatles who made it, even if you only like that specific state of the Beatles when they made White Album

I feel like there's two things you're forgetting when you say that anon. One, to say you only like 10% of a thing is to also say you dislike 90% of it, and I think anyone would agree that "I like the thing" and "I dislike 90% of the thing" are contadictory statements.

Two, being a fan is more than just liking something, it's to be passionate and invested in the thing. It's the difference between a guy who'll watch Next Generation if it's on and the guy who's watched through every TNG era Trek show, it's the difference between a guy who nods along to a good song on the radio and the guy who pre-orders the artists upcoming album. Being a fan isn't just "Well there's some bits I like", it's to be enthusiastically invested in it.

>>212728203
I wish Nolan chose someone else to do MoS

funny how all the neck snap criticizers all disappeared

>>212730028
I wish WB chose someone besides Nolan

>>212728598
He's listed as the director and no one will remember your version of events.

>>212730019
First, you can like one Beatles album and not have heard the rest, you're still a fan of the Beatles, if you like that one.
Second, you can like one Beatles album much more than the other ones, but still like the rest to a mild degree.
Third, you can like one Beatles album and feel lukewarm to the rest. You don't think the rest are unlikeable, but that their aspects are not personally appealing to your taste
Finally, although there's probably other instances I'm not including, you can like one Beatles album and dislike the rest, but still be a Beatles fan. It is not contradictory it regards multiple entities; a collection of albums. You either like one thing or you don't, but the Beatles discography is not one thing, it is multiple albums, and if you like one then you like the Beatles, if you dislike the other albums, that doesn't mean you dislike the Beatles, but that you like that specific iteration of the Beatles which is found in one album, which is still the Beatles, as they were still the Beatles when they made that album.

>>212727254
AESTHETIC AS FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>212726669 (OP)
Marvel was too retarded to make Thor's cape look good in any shots, so that makes Snyder look like a genius when he makes the cape twirl

>>212730194
Yeah, he just rewrote the scenes to insert Excalibur mythology or whatever else you hallucinated, that's how movies are made according to retards like you
lol

Okay so what if, and stop me if you've heard this before... but what if Superman, with his superhearing heard Lois moaning, and went to her, and then with his x-ray vision he looks through the roof of the house and he sees Bruce Wayne making love to Lois?
And then he watches, he hears, he can smell them, he can taste the mingling of their juices, he focuses on a bead of sweat that runs down Bruce Wayne's back and into the crack of his ass, and then we zoom into the crack, we zoom in to the hole, we zoom in until we emerge from his penis with the sperm as he ejaculates us into Lois Lane's vagina, we ride the sperm, we follow them like salmon upriver, all in one take, and finally we see it, we see the egg, we follow the one, the chosen one, the one sperm who will make it and survive, the millions perish, with Superman's hearing we hear their death throes as Bruce and Lois' voices join into a chorus of le petit mort and finally in a crescendo the chosen sperm enters the egg and they become one, and we depart, we pull out from Lois like Bruce does, and he rolls off and lies on his back next to her, and they look up and we follow their gaze through the roof, still all in one take, until we return to Superman's eyes, then the camera rotates around to show his face, he is making the Come and See face, the tears roll, the sex scene is replayed in the reflections of his tears, and then a single tear falls for his face, we follow it, we see the sex in the drop until it splatters onto the roof where it breaks, and then we dive into the splattered drop, and we are in the ocean, and we go on to the next scene in Atlantis.
Kind of like that.

>>212730347
>Snyder didn't just write every scene he now also made every special effect
Snyderfans are called jeets for a reason

>>212730353
fuckin kek

>>212727254
>It resets with fake sincerity, sidesteps moral paradox, and literally trots out a dog in his cape instead of confronting the myth of Superman.
>That's not evolution in a story, it’s emotional sanitization a funko pop pandering product for brainless consoomers.


This.

Gunn's Superman as a movie is cynical as fuck. It's a surrender.

>>212727254
I'm a certified Snyder hater but even I can't deny that that picture goes hard

>>212730353

>>212730353
Now THIS is what I want to see.

>>212730414
Based Snyder being pumped for Gunn's movie

After the death of his daughter Zack Snyder went to Paris to meet Alejandro Jodorwsky for a tarot reading, as advised by Kanye West.
Jodorowsky of course is famous for such films as El Topo, The Holy Mountain and Santa Sangre, and comics like The Incal, The Metabarons, Son of the Gun, Anibal 5 etc. so the two men had a lot in common, being connoisseurs of theatre and comics and creators of film.
While no record of their meeting exists, a later interview with Jodorowsky confirmed that Snyder was concerned with the lack of commercial potential in the final film of his Justice League trilogy. Quote:
>Following the defeat of the villain, Darkseid, Superman rules the Earth. He is king, and he has Prima Nocta, when the man is married, the Superman he come and he rape the bride, he rape her!
Jodo thrusts his hips wildly, you all know how he is.
>And the men, they are not happy, so the Lex Luthor, he make a knife with the kyrptonite, he wants to castrate the Superman, no? But he is unable to get close. So what can he do?
Jodo winks at the camera.
>Lex Luthor, he castrate himself, and puts on the dress, and goes to the Superman's palace as a woman, he is a woman, and gives himself, he dances like a woman, like a snake, yes? And they make love, slowly, very, very slowly, very long, very gentle at first, then harder, harder, and when The Superman, he comes inside him, and sees that he is not a woman, then Luthor tries to castrate him.
Jodo jumps up.
>But he cannot! He is in love! He wants to be the woman! So he gives the knife away! And the Superman, he circumcises himself and feeds his foreskin to Luthor, and they are man and wife! And the circumcised Superman, he go to the pulpit, and he reads the torah, and men, many men and women, supermen, Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, all of them, they are naked, they are writhing, it is a super-orgy! And they have the sex all around him, and his penis drips blood on the floor, in the shape of the S
Jodo slumps.
>Incredible!

>>212730353
I don’t know how anyone can say they like Superman and Snyder at the same time. Had Superman get his ass kicked by Batman until he cried for his mommy. He was then going let Bruce cuck Clark by having him fuck Lois. And his grand plan was to have Superman turn into fucking Homelander because Lois died or some stupid shit. But yeah, Gunn totally disrespecting the character

>>212727254
Such an iconic picture that Snyder invented for all those characters
>>212730451
Based
>>212730337
This
>>212730373
Seething Indian detected

>>212730420
>>212727254
The virgin "It's about the mythological destiny of gods and biblical responsibility" vs the chad "It's about being kind to your fellow man"

The best part of MoS were the fight scenes

>>212730508
>vs the idea that is encompassed in biblical responsibility
KEK

>>212730489
>retarded samefag forgot to take his name off and doesn't know that Snyder badly copied an iconic image
Should've posted "all me by the way"
Would've been more accurate

Imagine outrage if a director treated Batman the same Superman was treated in the Snydervse. So Batman going to kill ass kicked by Superman until he cries for mommy, then he’s going to die. Superman going to fuck Catwoman and Batman going to come hack but turn into a psychopath asshole and kill everyone

>>212730581
>samefag
I'm not a samefag, there's an Indian who's been larping as me all night long in Superman threads. I've been reporting him every chance I get but the dude keeps popping up like the roach he is.

>>212730581
Wonder Woman having actual muscle definition in Ross' pic arouses me

>>212730591
Nice falseflag attempt, pulled out all the stops and just used your own esl writing style to shit on bvs. Try harder next time.

>>212730572
It's almost like you can convey these kinds of ideas without getting bogged down in lofty attempted symbolism and hollowing out all your characters into stoic husks

>>212730607
Didn't read.
Nobody cares, namefag, kill yourself

>>212730591
I don't even like the Snyderverse but yeah a Batman who's near death having visions of his parents actually sounds super on-brand for him

>>212726889
What Kryptonian lore lmao?

>>212730591
Sound very brilliant actually. Would of been epic.
>>212730607
Stop imitating me, jeet
>announces his reports
kek

>>212728001
They did a MASSIVE amount of behind the scenes lore building for MoS that never made it directly to the screen. Literally an entire history and language. Which gives the world depth even though you never see it because its still there. Unlike other movies where there is literally nothing there underneath or behind the curtain ad its all just surface level.

>>212730619
That sentence perfectly fits Gunn's shalomman if you replace symbolism with political wokeness and stoic with quip spewing.

>>212727254
You talk like a retard and those shitty movies are just cgi bukkake with no structure
>>212730420
>Gunn's Superman as a movie is cynical as fuck
You are probably too old to play opposite day

>>212728001
They did a MASSIVE amount of behind the scenes Kryptonian lore building for MoS that never made it directly to the screen. Literally an entire Kryptonian history and language. Which gives the world depth even though you never see it because its still there. Unlike other movies where there is literally nothing there underneath or behind the curtain ad its all just surface level.

>>212730439
>that that picture goes hard
all actors and costumes are cring af and don't look like DC characters at all

>>212730353
K I N O
I
N
O

Gunn could never.

>>212730653
Affleck got sent death threats when he was cast. Snyder did that they’d fire bomb his house

>>212728855
What depth lmao

>>212727644
>>212727754
>>212728228
Stop talking like a pretentious retard.
Your word saad means nothing and that shit isn't in the movie

>>212730705
Let's just make Netflix quipslop just without Ryan Reynolds because we know it will sell anyway.

Like I said. Cynical as fuck.

>>212730744
>What depth
Saar, please understand! He like Jeebus in this pic! It like Da Vagini painting I see on X!

>>212728163
Based anon posting his reaction with his post.

>>212730726
NTA but you ae both gay and blind and have zero taste.

>>212727254
Based SnyderChad.

>>212730353
Did Bruce and Lois ever get it in the comics? Like even once or in an alternate universe? Shit would be fucked up.

>>212730194
Noone will remember those shitty movies

>>212730780
>can perfectly imitate how jeets speak
lol

>>212728659
There is nothing to discuss about MoS.
You retards spent a decade inventing this headcanon while it's just cgi porn about emotionally stunted adult bodybuilders who are angry in the rain at night
And you cannot do anything about it, except seething impotently at snydervrse never ever
Nobody ever discussed your flopped movie

>>212730877
He's not imitating anything, you're just a jeet is all

>>212730839
Got to love the Silver Age. Superman was a full on dick, humiliating all the DC heroes

>>212730761
Indeed your mothers black pussy is in the movie.

>>212730839
There was that brief moment in the DCAU

>>212730877
>>can perfectly imitate how jeets speak
Only because I've spent several years of my life here and grew up on an interenet that slowly but surely became more Indian over time.

>>212728770
>Brain fart
lolololololol
Superman stopped existing thanks to Snyder. Only now it's back

>while it's just cgi porn about emotionally stunted adult bodybuilders who are angry in the rain at night
But enough about Gunn’s movie

>>212730911
Armond White liked it, therefore it's good. He had 4 paragraphs reviewing man of steel again and praising it in his superman (2025) "review for some reason

It’s hilarious how Reddit is rolling back the “it’s not superhero fatigue, it’s back movie fatigue” narrative

>>212729039
Yeah, so you can avoid it, in the case of netflix tier directors like Snyder

>>212728869
You are expecting too much from a Gunnpedo.

>>212728911
Snyder fucked his mother as he watched, don't bully him any further.

>>212730911
You don't really believe what you're saying as those are all hyperboles, yet that's all you can do because you're too retarded to critically expand on a thought.

>>212730508
David’s Superman is such a nice cool guy

>>212730942
>Armond White liked it
Only because he desperately wants to bottom for Zack.

>>212729047
Snyder is Michael Bay who thinks he's Kubrick.
Except MB can direct movies, he just likes to make crap

>>212730911
>There is nothing to discuss about MoS.
Yet here we are, over a decade later, still discussing it.

>one review from the king of /tv/ rattled the Gunnpedos so much that they made a separate thread shit talking about it only to be BTFO by KinoChads and cope.
Based.

>>212731048
Snyder is Paul W.S. Anderson except he can't write for shit and he has much better action sensibilities. I would totally watch a Paul W.S. Anderson Superman movie, BTW.

>>212731056
The review of his flick from the King broke him. Spare the poor child.

>>212731056
>here we are, over a decade later, still discussing it.
Everybody memoryholed these awful movies until Zack paid a bunch of Indians 5 years back to shill for Justice League and he somehow managed to psyop all of them into thinking he was the greatest filmmaker alive.

>>212731065
>liking any superhero movies post-2008

>>212731027
I'm a gay Indian and I'm an expert in that, look at my hand

>>212729091
>of people find Superman to be a boring, uninteresting, glib kind of character unless Snyder is involved. Similarly, a lot of people don't care about Wonder Woman unless it's Snyder's version.
You are describing stupid contrarian people, and their minority opinion isn't t be taken seriously, if considered at all
Some people are just stupid and like shit, and we shouldn't eat shit to make them feel normal

>>212731065
I’d be livid too if my most anticipated film of the decade slopped and flopped

>>212728163
>ctrl+c
>ctrl+v

>>212731065
Oh so NOW critics matter kek

Left mogs the right so badly holy shit

>>212731188
Only 2 of those are certified kino though

>>212731190
I can't lie even as someone who did enjoy Superman 2025, the suit was a weaker part. I almost would have preferred his suit to look rather simple in a donner sort of way, it woulda helped convey the idea of a "traditional" superhero in a world of more corporate heroes like what Lord was pushing

>>212729543
>he new reboot just came out, and we are spending more time talking about Snyder than about the new one.
No, that's you cultists flooding this place to spin that narrative.
Nobody ever talked about it. Nodody is talkign about it. You can repeat the same trite posts on and on and on, but the answer is always: no, it's shit"
Move on. Your movie flopped and nobody liked it. Move on

Only thing people remember about Snydershit is how bad it was and how good it was to get rid of it

>>212731237
This thread was made by a Gunnpedo.

Holy fuck the music in SuperGunn is so bad. It's very obviously a last minute replacement score after the original composer was dismissed and it fucking sucks. It is so completely forgettable.

>>212730710
Basically shit that doesnt' exist and doesn't matter.
He did the same irrelevant shit with Rebel Moon, and guess what, it was shit too

>>212730777
>nonsequitur
>opposite day
>>212730800
Stop projecting

>>212726669 (OP)
>So can any snyderbros tell me what they actually mean when they say the Snyderverse was about the "mythology" of Superman?
Let me use a good analogy here you guys are familiar with:
Snyderfags are a lot like EVA fans in that they think their thing is the deepest of the deep things and that if you don't care for it you're a retard, so they gish gallop you with random pseudointellectual crap they gathered from /his/ and /lit/ screenshots and loosely throw it together at various random characters in the movies/shows of their obsession. They don't know about any of the things they're talking about, they just know it makes them sound smart to reference Greece or the Bible and you look dumb. I went through a paper a Snyderfag linked to me earlier in another thread defending BvS where I read through the whole thing and critiqued, it and it was painful.
The ultimate difference of course, is that EVA is actually a great show/movie that does have quite a bit of depth/lore to it (though nowhere near as deep as EVA mega-autists think), while nothing Snyder has done with DC remotely warrants such behavior, to the point that I think most genuine, non-Indian Snyder mega-autists were trolls ten years ago that trolled themselves into thinking these awful movies are actually good after shitposting for so long.

>>212726669 (OP)
>7/11 in the background
Will never not make me kek

>>212731317
Rebel Moon suffered because Snyder badly needs a strong script by a good writer. His DC films, Watchmen, 300, are all films that had good writing teams. He had too much input and Shay Hatten is not an amazing writer thematically, and Rebel Moon just falls flat.

>>212727254
/tv/ posting these pseudointellectual takes about dogshit like the Snyderverse, Star Wars prequels, and refusing to discuss films with actual merit and just shitposting about them is the most /tv/ shit ever

>>212730989
Hyperbole is all the praise you spend for those shit empty movies. Magniloquence =/= meaning
You are no different from retards who see the Virgin Mary's face in their potato chips. It's not there, retard
>>212731056
You are not discussing. And nobody is discussing with you.
You post word vomit and normal peopel say "no, it's shit" "no, it's not in the movie", "no it's not superman" no, it's not good"
Mental illnsess is not discussing

>>212731347
It's funny you mention that because Zack Snyder's Justice League is explicitly based on Evangelion. It's why Cyborg has the tape recorder. The big wave of power that turns everyone into his husk slaves is an obvious allusion to the grand unification. The concept art leans even harder into that imagery.

>>212731418
>>It's funny you mention that because Zack Snyder's Justice League is explicitly based on Evangelion
>Pic
What in the fuck am I looking at, did he seriously fucking rip off EVA of all things lmao

>>212731264
Is le gunnpedo her with us now?
>>212731379
None of his DC movies has an intelligible script written by someon with middle school license

>>212727254
Based

>>212731387
Yeah, I dunno why these indefensible flicks break pseudointellectuals, but it just happens
You make a dogshit movie and you earn a defender for life, apparently

>>212731466
It’s kino. You wouldn’t understand.

>>212731379
Rebel Moon, like all the other snyder movies, suffered because Snyder

>>212727254
he doesn't invoke anything, autist

>>212731480
All of his DC films have really strong scripts with fantastic dialogue. That's something sorely missing from stuff like Superman 2025 and Rebel Moon.

>>212730420
It had to be cynical in order to regain goodwill and undo the crap that came before it that is the snyderverse. It's like saying
>wow you used the toilet after someone had just taken a messy diarrhea shit that went all over the seat, floor and walls and you spent most of the time cleaning up instead of using the toilet yourself, you're so cynical about shit

>>212731649
What goodwill? This Superman is nothing. The film is bland, boring, piss-weak soundtrack, it will be forgotten in a month. How is this regaining goodwill or undoing anything? This is like watching a midget try to defeat a giant in a dick measuring contest.

>>212731480
Yes, you are in the thread.

>>212731387
I would not be surprised if chatgpt wrote these

>>212727254
They’ll make fun of you but you are completely right.

>>212731510
Obsessing over some random turd or ideological bullshit is what retards think will make up for their lack of personality.

>>212731510
>You make a dogshit movie and you earn a defender for life, apparently
We all have that one movie.
For me, it's Baywatch (2017)

>>212731686
Again, if you'd just spent the last hour cleaning up Zack Snyder's stinking liquid diarrhea, someone coming in after you would just think "looks like a normal toilet to me" but they don't appreciate the effort that went into cleaning up all the shit and resetting it back to an unremarkable baseline. Don't blame the janitor, blame the guy with IBS who explosively shat everywhere

>>212731587
>really strong scripts
ahahahahahahaha
> with fantastic dialogue
ahahahhhahahahhhahhhahahaha

Grow up

>>212731706
stop crying and projecting

>>212731945
>We all have that one movie.
Definitely
Mine is Bitch Slap (2009)

>>212731587
Yet he only has 1 hit being MoS. And that movie is polarizing as hell lmao.

>>212732595
His director's cut of BvS is great. His version of Justice League is a masterpiece. I feel like people are trying really hard to pretend that we're not in a post-Snyder Cut era where the excuses don't work anymore. Snyder was right, WB was hilariously wrong.