Thread 212731978

If this hack fraud never touched Superman, we could've had a decent Superman movie 15 years ago

>>212731978 (OP)
If DC executives let him cook rather than force him away to chase the MCU we would've had more than one good Superman movie these past two decades.

>>212732008
Warner Executives Robbed us of the MOS trilogy Nolan, Goyer and Snyder was cooking! What a bunch of Stupid tarts!

>>212732008
Rebel Moon proves to the world that he's just a hack. Complete creative control, complete garbage.

>>212731978 (OP)
Just be happy we didn’t get JJ Abrams version

>>212731978 (OP)
Look around. Nobody wants your Supermarvel.

>>212733255
Precisely!!!!

He could have made Brad Pitt beating Bruce Lee seem believable.

everyone FUCKING hated superman 15 years ago, too powerful, everyone liked batman

>>212734122
if Gunn's movie came out 15 years ago people would still love it

>>212734122
Quit your bullshit. Man of Steel was the first Superman movie I ever heard watched and I was initially reticent until my Superman fanboy friend explained this is about Superman facing the consequences of his power (tons of people dying). So I decided to watch it and loved it. Every other Superman crap any of you fags have told me to watch has been DOGSHIT.

>>212731978 (OP)
man of steel was written by david goyer and christopher nolan and produced by nolan and his wife. snyder was hired two years after they'd been developing it and was one of several directors considered for the job.

it is unbelievably retarded man of steel is considered snyder's take on superman. what's shitty about man of steel goes to the broadest conceptual level and storytelling choices that weren't made by snyder and would be the same even if another director had been hired. blame nolan and goyer.

>>212734280
There's no blame to go around. You want a little circle jerk for comic purists that's fine, but there's no future there as seen by the global rejection of Gunn's Superman.

>>212731978 (OP)
OP is a nigger

>>212734173
yeah maybe, hard to picture it even getting made 15 years ago considering the luke warm reception to superman returns (19 years ago) now maybe im being pedantic with the exact timing and you meant closer to man of steel's release date, or youre imagining a world where superman returns never got made, but whatever the case, 15 years ago (2010) audiences were very much NOT on the superman train, batmania was runnin wild brother

>>212731978 (OP)
The hack fraud that touched superman was Bryan Singer.

>>212733299

His smile is so fake.
In every still of this image he looks like a psychopath.

>>212731978 (OP)
We did. You're just a WB shill.

>>212735058
cool poster. Shame about the movie

>>212735080
>Shame about the movie
It's just your opinion.

>>212731978 (OP)
Best capeshit director, his vision is too big for average slop

>>212735104
his and everyone else's

>>212735152
So why do all his post capeshit movies suck cock? Why do they bomb?
Why can you shills never answer this?

>>212732008
Snyder era is just the first two movies tho

>>212735202
>Best capeshit director
hater niggas can't even read

>>212735176
>>212735209
>>212735320
Are you ESL, a bot or a pajeet?

>>212732984
Army of the Dead proved it first. Remember when people thought he could at least direct a cool zombie movie and he totally fucked it up?

>>212735400
>Snyderfags claim WB never let him put his "vision" to the screen
>The only movies he properly directed were the first two
>Somehow other movies including Josstice League is his era
Interesting

>>212735447
Yeah it's interesting how you make up shit to suit your narrative.

>>212735152
>Best capeshit director, his vision is too big for average slop

He didn't have a vision at all.
His Superman was the exact opposite of what should be. Then he added some Dragon Ball action sequences, exaggerated here and there, and that's it.
What's more, think about Batman and WW as lame supporting characters.
Aquaman and Cyborg were just a little more than guest stars.

The audience want recognizable characters that interact and evolve, a structured story that leads somewhere coherently and an interesting Villain.
Nothing of all this happened with Snyder but only laughable characters.

>>212731978 (OP)
But he made the last good Superman movie?

>>212735400
Post BvS Geoff Johns had the reins of the studio. It's disingenuous to claim it as the Snyder era, Snyder era is just the first two movies.

>>212731978 (OP)
You would have gotten the same shit with worse cinematography. The things people complain about were directives issued by WB suits. They wanted something dark, gritty, and "mature" because they thought that's why Nolan's Batman movies made so much money. After The Avengers made a billion at the box office they demanded that Snyder completely retool MoS2 into Batman V Superman. Then they kept demanding more changes and additions. In the end they demanded Snyder somehow fit 3 movies worth of world building and character introductions into 2.5 hours, while still making it coherent, then they demanded THAT get cut down to 2 hours. The fact that he was even able to get close is incredible.

Without Snyder, WB pulls the same stupid shit, and makes the same stupid demands of someone else. They didn't want a hopeful Superman. We know this because they pulled similar shit with Superman Returns. It's why Superman is a divorced deadbeat dad in that movie. It's why the DCEU didn't suddenly "get good" after WB backstabbed Snyder. WB executives are the problem, always have been.

>>212735400
saaars!

>>212735577
why didn't he release it instead of that other dogshit?

>>212735909
I don't get the thing. Is it failing internationally or is it soaring internationally, what's the angle here?

>>212735967
Snyderjeets are throwing every cope at the wall in the hopes one will stick

>>212731978 (OP)
Every child who grows up with SuperGunn should be honor killed
Snyder tried to save us but the masses are too retarded to truly see mature, dark, and realistic takes on these modern Gods

>>212735967
Outside of India and America it's being flat-out rejected. It's not repudiating MoS in America either like many who champion the hopeful, comic-accurate vision expected.

>>212736071
I've only heard it getting rejected in China and that makes sense because Boravia using tanks on civies is a clear parallel to Tiananmen square massacre, not to mention other parallels with how China has conquered Tibet and how it plans to do the same with Taiwan.

>>212732008
Why do you think that? He's made exclusively terrible movies after Watchmen. Sucker Punch and Rebel Moon should've made it obvious to anyone that he's a hack, yet people still seem to think he's some kind of genius. Every director has bad movies but most of Snyder's movies are bad.

>>212736217
Did I stutter the first time faggot?
Snyder wanted to reinvent the DC Universe pantheon into a more grounded and realistic world that actually challenged them morally and asked the question of "Does the world need these heroes or are they too much of a danger to be trusted?" The answer to anyone who watches was that Yes, Superman is far too dangerous for us to trust and that in the real world he'd likely have to accept that humanity would never accept him being around or that Gotham City IRL would hate Batman
That's literally why Snyder's vision was supposed to end with Superman giving up heroics and leaving Earth - because the world is better off without him

>>212736048
>honor killed
Brown.

>>212734280
>man of steel was written by david goyer and christopher nolan and produced by nolan and his wife

It actually did have some input by Snyder during filming. One of the reasons why he was hired (besides his wife being a WB exec) is that while Nolan and Goyer wanted to keep reworking the script because the other directors brought on called it shit, Snyder was willing to shoot the script as is and WB were desperate to get a Superman film underway ASAP since at the time they were involved in a lawsuit with the Shuster estate and there was a good chance they (and DC) could lose the rights to Superman permanently, especially if they weren't doing anything with the IP at the time.

>>212736375
>Shuster estate
The same faggots who sued WB literally over the Gunn film?

They try to or do sue DC/WB every few years

>>212731978 (OP)
That’s Mr. Snyder to you. We wouldn’t even be talking about Superman today if it wasn’t for him, I think we should avoid Superman 2025 in his honorr

>>212735447
>Somehow other movies including Josstice League is his era

Justice League IS his era. The Snyder Cut is literally beat-for-beat the exact same film as the 2017 version except stretched out to 4 hours long with a bunch of filler. Not only that but he actually changed a bunch of shit that HE originally did because of the poor reception to the 2017 film and then tried to pretend that it was all Joss Whedon's ideas instead of his. Hell he even made petty, pointless changes that serve no real purpose like editing Superman's suit to be black in the Snyder Cut when he originally intended it to be in color for no other reason except to differentiate it from the 2017 version.

Snyder is unironically a hack of the highest caliber.

>>212736375
>>212734280
Wasn't necksnap Snyder's personal idea he pushed so bad Nolan wanted out?

>>212736332
>Snyder's vision was supposed to end with Superman giving up heroics and leaving Earth
And that Lex Luthor was right, died vindicated, and the surviving superheroes living in exile
We truly could've had an epic tragedy of unparalleled proportion but the fucking moviegoers ruined it, and I will forever boycott WB for giving in and not having the artistic integrity to see it through.

>>212736467
Doesn't he do this to all his movies when he does alternate cuts? Sees the reception to the theatrical version then changes shit to say "See my vision was better!" based on the feedback. Anyway, my point was all DC movies were not fully under his control, After BvS Geoff Johns and Jon Berg had the control of the franchise.

>>212736476
Yep. Both Nolan and Goyer told him that it was a retarded idea to do for a first film but like I said before Snyder's wife Deborah is one of the execs at WB so you can guess what happened. A lot of Man of Steel's worst parts were actually Snyder's ideas.

>>212735967
It's flopping and their lying about the numbers. Man of Steel legit made more opening weekend. They're leaving out the thursday previews of Man of Steel, but leaving them in for Superman to make it seem it made more.

>>212736332
Yeah basically he wanted these superhuman/metahuman seen through the eyes of average people like what'd you feel if you encounter gray alien for the first time but in this movies they're happened to be humanoid but apparently doing good deeds for humanity. He's basically wanted more than just he's your comic book character in silverscreen, he wanted to reinvent capeshit genre by adding more realistic approach. BvS expand the MoS role by making the stake bigger when the government question his deeds, kinda related with watchmen with how government wanted superhero to be government agent or something and just let shit happens because it doing good for US like sending superman to destroy iran nuclear plants

>>212736602
Nothing to do about the quality of the films. This is just straight up what they are doing. Bottoming, Man of Steel made more and WB is scared, so theyre lying in headlines and deliberately leaving out Man of Steel's previews to give Superman the needed boost it needs.

>>212736329
Because he's a director, not a writer. Pair him up with a good script and magic can happen.

>>212736596
It's clearly done with intent towards the characters and his values. Why do people not understand this? I know the movie is smart, but that shit is some of the surface level shit even normies can understand.

>>212736425
In MoS case it's WB that needs to do superman movie or they lose the right to superman (but i don't know if it's superman as a whole or superman movie right) so they hastily call nolan on-board to make the goyer script to be made ASAP

>>212736118
Nah, it's far more widespread than just China. In fact there's a high likelihood it will completely collapse across the board this weekend.

Fire Gunn, kill his entire slate, bring back Snyder and let him tell his storyline
That's all you need to do, WBD

>>212736329
Kek even watchmen is praised by Nolan and the Russos. Top kek. Probably really is the best comic book movie ever.

>>212736571
>Doesn't he do this to all his movies when he does alternate cuts?

Yeah and it's just a face-saving excuse every time to pretend like his failures aren't actually his. Except "his vision" usually turns out even worse so that's not even true most of the time.

>Anyway, my point was all DC movies were not fully under his control

Man of Steel is his. Batman v. Superman is his. Justice League is also his, Whedon was brought on after Snyder had done almost everything to try and salvage the mess that Hack created. Not to mention the Snyder Cut. Or the fact that even the non-Snyder DC films were forced to play along with Snyder's vision like Patty Jenkins being forced to use Gal Gadot just because Snyder is a closet homo that likes Jewish stick figures.

>>212736713
What storyline? The storyline of Superman getting cucked by Batman?

>>212736467
A hack would unironically be someone who repeats the same gimmicks and tricks like Gunn. Kek

>>212736683
Yeah he need 'tard wrangler, the BvS team is perfect for him honestly. Deep story from Terrio and fantastic cinematography from Larry Fong. Letting him on DoP is a big mistake afaik

>>212736695
>It's clearly done with intent towards the characters and his values.

No it's not.
>superman is never shown to have any hangups about killing
>he doesn't give two fucks about krypton
>he doesn't give two fucks about zod and in fact hates zod for being a dick and killing his dad
There's literally zero reason for Superman to be upset about killing Zod in the film. It's clearly done for shock value and nothing else.

>>212736713
RESTORE THE SNYDERVERSE SAAAAR

>>212736765
Then how come BvS was a steaming pile of dogshit

>>212736791
It wasn't, you just got filtered

>>212736730
Of Superman leaving Earth in shame to live out eternity as a godlike outcast for willingly turning evil
Of Batman dying to redeem himself but still have a tarnished reputation he can never fix
Of the end for the rest of the heroes who either die or are forced to live in exile forever knowing the world hates them for what they did

>>212736874
Why the fuck would you do any of that for the first cinematic adaption of an interconnected DC universe. Shit like this is only good for elseworlds

>>212731978 (OP)
/tv/ is an Indian board now

>>212736852
Lmao

>>212736467
Just stop fucking lying.
>Justice League IS his era.
This is true but was heavy interference from DC execs.
>The Snyder Cut is literally beat-for-beat the exact same film as the 2017 version except stretched out to 4 hours long with a bunch of filler
It's his vision. Snyder said it would have been just over 3 hours if he got to finish the theatrical cut in 2017.
>then tried to pretend that it was all Joss Whedon's ideas instead of his
Because it was. A bastardized version of his film.
>like editing Superman's suit to be black in the Snyder Cut when he originally intended it to be in color for no other reason except to differentiate it from the 2017 version.
Liar. Snyder wanted a special suit made for JL so he can easily change it to black in post. It was his original idea but the DC execs wanted Superman to keep the red and blue. That's why the blue was more metallic.

>>212732008
Meanwhile in reality if DC executives had let him cook rather than force him away they would be bankrupt and all DC IPs would be boxoffice poison for generations

>>212736942
Because it was supposed to be a five film arc that ends in nothing but tragedy not a franchise like Fagvel

>>212737002
Nice imagination you got there Ranjesh.

>>212737064
Why would a studio fund this? Why would DC allow its characters to be used this way? Why doesn't Zack make his own characters and use his own funding to do this?

>>212737002
No, that's what Gunn is doing right now with his incestuous "comic book guy" take. They will probably listen to those same retards and fold Battinson in the DCU which will be the final death blow. Game over

>>212737117
To make it stand out from Marvel and show unflinching artistic vision, to make it feel more real than the terrible world building of Marvel

>>212737117
>Why would DC allow its characters to be used this way?
DC the publisher is getting eyes on its characters and it could've shaped how their comics are written for decades to come with bold new ideas

You really telling me DC wouldn't benefit from writing Batman the way Zack depicted him? It'd be fresh, new, and you could either embrace it or be a child and stomp your feet because its not your Batman

>>212737117
Rebel moon is going to be bigger than Star Wars

>>212736765
>Deep story from Terrio
The same Terrio that gave us Rise of Skywalker.

>>212737064
The central of the story is superman journey to become the hope but the execs meddle too much

>>212737395
>A fucking netflix movie

Funny how the moment you mention Army of the Dead or Rebel Moon (100% full control and directed by him) Snyderjeets go full silence

>>212737312
Unironically that'd be great
Imagine the seethe from redditors and YouTubers when mainline Batman is now just a stone cold killer who Gotham hates but Bruce no longer cares anymore, he just wants to die after losing so much and so many around him that Batman is less about justice now and a form of suicide. It'd be the most compelling the character has been in decades

>>212737470
*tips Fedora*

>>212731978 (OP)
Wasn't he the only director avaliable at the time willing to make a kinomatic universe? WB is to blame, they should have waited a couple more years after the failure of Green Lantern instead of wasting 15 years and ruining the reputation of the brand.

>>212737407
You cannot salvage dogshit turd left by rian johnson

>>212737520
They had to push out a Superman movie or Shuster estate was trying to get the rights

>>212737234
If they made it during capeshit fatigue right now it'll be huge success i think, people already tired of marvel quips and jokes and their formula is already stale

>>212737470
>Imagine the seethe from redditors and YouTubers
Your mistake is you want to make people mad rather than actually tell a story, congrats you're just like every postmodernist dangerhair queer

>>212737558
>if they made it after a generation of disney domination and narrative
It would be a flop. MoS got lucky it didn't got as much shit as suicide squad did.

>>212731978 (OP)
Luckily we got a great one 12 years ago

>>212736874
Source on all this. From the notes I read Superman was going to raise his wife’s son to be the new Batman. Where are you getting all this exile stuff from?

>>212736683
>Just let him cook!
>"When you actually let him do exactly what he wants the result is always trash"
>Well you have to keep him on a tight leash!
which is is you dorks?

>>212731978 (OP)
we had a decent Superman movie 15 years ago, ceep crying

>>212737790
Superman returns was over 15 years ago

do jeets really care about jesus or they just pretend to they do?
why super man = god matter at all? if anything it's even less relatable for average person.

>>212736467
You lying sack of shit. The Snyder Cut is a completely fucking different movie. Get necked bitch.

>>212737729
Its not a Wife's Son situation if the father is dead

>>212737854

Jeets are heavily polytheistic so they have the ability to care about other deities as well. They aren't exclusive

>>212736348
you will be the first in line

>>212737117
To earn money nigga. If you were in charge, you'd have never let frodo reach mount doom or potter kill voldemort just so you could continue the series until it ends in flop after flop to the point you run out of money.

>>212734193
Apologize

>>212732008
FTFY

>>212739729
Finally an actually correct chart