Is there going to be this much autism and Snyderfagging when we find out who the new Batman or Wonder Woman are?

>>212746624 (OP)
That looks like an ass Batsuit so I automatically assume that this is the suit he'll have in the Faggotverse

LOL the only reason that Superman movie is getting so much attention is because it's so barren and there's no new Batman content to talk about. Don't be mistaken, nobody REALLY cares about Superman or Wonder Woman or any other DC character that isn't Batman or his rogues. If you think Gunn's gotten biblical shit from people for Superman, wait till he gets his onions-laced hands on Batman.

>>212746624 (OP)
I'll shoot up heroin and kill myself in protest of whoever he replaces Ben Affleck with

>>212746624 (OP)
I swear allegiance to Zack Snyder and if I ever see anyone IRL tell me they like Gunn's onions DC I WILL fuck them up, it will be an on sight beat down no matter who it is

We need to do more drastic measures, I don't want Snyderverse restored alone, I want to see WBD destroyed, so thoroughly they have to declare bankruptcy and fold
These fuckers need to pay

>>212746755
This, I expect people to start calling in bomb threats to theaters showing the Brave and The Bold if it comes out

>>212746624 (OP)
I don't even want to see Snyder come back at this point, I want revenge on Warner for just abandoning the DCEU altogether

>>212747110
If you think the backlash from Snyder/Cavill fans is bad and pervasive, how will Gunn deal with the masses who still hold Nolan's Batman to a sacred pedestal? This is why Gunn is terrified of Batman and will leave him to Reeves who is just doing more Nolan Batman anyway. For what it's worth, I actually liked Batfleck (but only in BvS). But then again, Batfleck, Batbale, Batttinson, they're all the same Batman in essence. Gunn wants to do Morrison/Tom King Batman and WB is telling him FUCK NO.

>>212746624 (OP)
>new Batman or Wonder Woman are?
Arjona is leotard pls

Whoever he picks I'll probably want to beat the fuck out of if I see them, like the Superman cast - everyone involved in a speaking role I want to stomp their skulls in

It'll be the same with Batman, I don't care if they look the part I'll want to beat him to death and everyone involved

I hate that James didn't just try to work with the vision The Rock had

>>212746624 (OP)
me in the top right corner

>>212747419
>Gunn wants to do Morrison/Tom King Batman and WB is telling him FUCK NO.
QRD? It should be too hard to make Batman the stern patriarch of the Batfamily. Like in cartoony shit like Superman/Batman: Public Enemies or Batman vs. TMNT he's still a serious moody asshole with rare flashes of lightening the fuck up. You build a more fantastical world and Batfamily around the guy rather than making him a clown

>>212747110
100%. Gunn pretty much admitted this. I sincerely doubt he'll ever get his hands on Batman and will just be cucked like the CW showrunners.

Is it wrong I want DCU Batman to be a brutal killer? It keeps with the idea only Superman doesn't kill

Just keep Batman out of the DCU, its that simple

>>212747555
People wouldn't stand for it, man. Hello, comic book fans on social media dictate a laughably small percentage of the audience for Batman movies and wouldn't care for this crap. People can excuse Krypto, Supergirl and shit like that in a Superman movie but did Superman have a trilogy of films that were incredible successes and cultural phenomenons that defined the character in a fundamental way? No, so the general public is more open to comic booky shit because they couldn't care less about Superman. But Batman is too "serious" and "prestige" of a character to be given that treatment. It doesn't help that Reeves already hardened that perception with his movies.

>>212746624 (OP)
Yes.

>>212747555
>lightening the fuck up.
I don't fucking want that in Batman, Nolan got it right the first time and making him interact with other superheroes has now proven to not work in live action

>>212746624 (OP)
I doubt it for Wonder Woman since it's been universally agreed since 2017 at the latest that Gadot is just not cut out for it.

>>212746624 (OP)
Even worse because there's Nolan purists who already flipped their shit when Snyder was going to use Batman

>>212747652
Batman never have a single moment of lightening up a little is your preference and your right but I don't agree that him interacting with heroes is doomed because of BvS/the JL's - they were singularly unique (for the worse imo) in how they approached those characters and their mythos for mainstream movies

>>212747638
This, coupled with an HBO spin-off the moment we see Batman in Faggotverse be deadpan there'll be people trying to murder Gunn in cold blood

Gunn's new DCU is just CW but big-budget movies.

He will NEVER be allowed to feature Batman and will just settle for gimmicks like having a supporting character from Gotham like Huntress show up or some bullshit. He will never be allowed to touch Batman.

>>212747493
>everyone involved in a speaking role I want to stomp their skulls in
I can't tell if you're trolling or you're so unhinged you'd actually inflict violence on people because of capeslop you don't like

Jesus Christ this is just as autistic as the console wars on /pw/

>>212747760
feels good to be a ReevesCHAD who doesn't watch slop for manchildren and imbeciles.

>>212747652
>I don't fucking want that in Batman
...why?
Why does the ONLY cinematic version of Batman HAVE to be grimdark or drab faux-realism? Why can there not be a lighter take as well or one that embraces more fantastical comic book elements? You have grimdark in The Batman. Let the DCU version be a take more like Batman The Animated Series where you can have your serious episodes with psycho villains but also you can have more outlandish situations with robots or weird supervillains, you can have your Robin in a red and green outfit, and not hidden away in some black armor with the very slightest tinge of green like you're petrified of colour. It does not have to be a farce like Batman 1960s, or Batman & Robin. Even on-paper silly comic book elements can be taken seriously in the right portrayal.

>>212747832
If you don't relate, you're not a true, hardcore passionate DC fan and thus should silence your mouth.
>>212747760
If he dares to have Batman jam to 80's pop music, he's definitely going to be John Hickley JR'ed.

>>212747832
Nta but I can believe it cause I LARPed hard as a unhinged Snyder fan earlier, like if you dislike the Snyder movies you expose yourself as both evil and stupid and deserve to be enslaved/killed by Snyder fans.

>>212747793
>will never be allowed to touch Batman.
Batman literally has a cameo in Creature Commandos and there's a director in place for a movie

DC didn't allow Batman in the CW shows because Nolan said so, he even killed an Arrowverse Robin show starring Tim

>>212747493
>I hate that James didn't just try to work with the vision The Rock had
Lol what vision did he have beyong weirdly framing Black fucking Adam as the centre of everything without any or scant interaction with Captain Marvel and beating up Superman?

>>212747867
>Why does the ONLY cinematic version of Batman HAVE to be grimdark or drab faux-realism?
Because the Nolan movies elevated the character to heights he, or any other superhero character, have never seen before or since. Simple as. Kick fucking rocks all you want. Batman isn't Spider-Man or Superman, he has an adult audience that expects him to be a certain way. He's the only superhero with the most varied fanbase, from children to adults. Everyone loves Batman. You don't mess with what people know and love about Batman.

>>212747652
>making him interact with other superheroes has now proven to not work in live action
Completely false. Snyder utterly botching it does not make it impossible. World's Finest is a classic team for a reason, making Batman and Superman enemies was retarded and just Snyder grabbing at bits of The Dark Knight Returns without any of the context, the characters actually complement each other very well, as do their respective settings. There's a reason Batman TAS and Superman TAS had some very successful crossovers.

>>212747867
Let Superman and Batman actually be bros also
>Why don't the good villains ever die?
>Clark, what the hell are "good villains"?

>>212747907
>Batman literally has a cameo in Creature Commandos and there's a director in place for a movie
He couldn't even show more than a 2-second silhouette of him. IN AN ANIMATED SHOW. You just proved my fucking point, my man.

>>212747652
retard

>>212747937
did he? cos one of his three movies fuckin sucks

>>212747921
Because The Rock is a fucking star and the producers and directors should shut the fuck up and listen to the draw

>>212747944
>Superman teaming up with Robin and having to LARP as Batman for a whole episode and beat up Batman rogues because Bruce has been kidnapped Brainiac
Fun stuff

Batman and Superman should never, ever meet outside of cartoons and comics where their already stupid and contrived nature allow for it.

In the movies, they just don't work together. Batman is to good to be lumped in with the rest of DC.

>>212747419
>Gunn wants to do Morrison/Tom King Batman
No such thing as "Morrison/Tom King Batman", Morrison is capekino and Tom King is AIDS

>>212747987
The Rock is a fucking twat.

>>212747986
It was a disappointing and rushed final entry for sure but Heath's death fucked up everything and they just rushed it out but considering that, it turned out pretty well. Also, it was a seismic cultural event back then. The likes of which the superhero genre has never, truly, seen. Everyone went out to see it, not just bemused parents wanting their kids to shut up or dumb manchildren and teenagers.

>>212747937
batman himself was one the worst parts of those movies lmao

>>212747907
>DC didn't allow Batman in the CW shows because Nolan said so, he even killed an Arrowverse Robin show starring Tim
Arrow started airing after TDKR

>>212747969
>2-second silhouette of him.
As opposed to what? Have him show up in a detailed costume (that may have to be contradicted later on if they settle on a different final look) speaking dialogue and voiced by Troy Baker?

>>212746624 (OP)
This looks like what I'd imagine Batman's suit would look like in the Hoechlin show if he had turned up

>>212747987
>directors should shut the fuck up and listen to the draw
Didn't they do exactly that and, consequently, Black Adam bombed critically and commercially?

Threads about DCU's future are weird here
>It's over, Batman will NEVER be allowed to appear, it should never happen and it won't happen!!
Like all around weird ass takes.

>>212747937
This is such a stupid interpretation that completely disregards so many other versions of the character. He did not start with the Nolan trilogy. Batman has been popular for a longass time. Batman 89 was a huge blockbuster. Batman The Animated Series was a major success and heavily influential on the character. The Batman Arkham games were adored and some of the biggest superhero games ever. Yes, The Dark Knight did a billion dollars. That doesn't mean you can only have a Gotham that's literally just Chicago and a Joker that's only a guy in facepaint. It doesn't mean you must throw out any fantastical or comic elements. Batman TAS and Arkham sure as shit didn't.

If there's one thing that has proven true over Batman's very long tenure, near 80 years now, it's that the character is versatile as hell and never needs to be only one thing.

>>212748084
Shows Zaslav isn't letting Gunn have Batman
On that note, show me and IRL person who gives a fuck about Batman's supporting cast? Protip Casuals would freak the fuck out in protest of Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, or Red Hood

>>212747843
OH NONONONONO

>>212748006
>In the movies, they just don't work together
Says who? They only tried once, and it was by that fucking retard Snyder who just ripped out random chunks of The Dark Knight Returns, devoid of context, even though the characters have been close allies and trusted friends for 95% of their tenure, and work very well as that.

>>212748157
>Shows Zaslav isn't letting Gunn have Batman
So you're telling me we should have seen a highly detailed animated form of Batman on screen for several minutes?

>>212748111
No because the plan was to have Black Adam defeat Superman and later Darkseid and establish Black Adam as THE most powerful and untouchable being in the DCEU
Imagine the kino of a being who could defeat Batman, Superman, and Darkseid played by the charisma machine that is The Rock

>>212748157
>Casuals would freak the fuck out in protest of Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, or Red Hood
Why?

>>212748236
Wow, you sold me on it, anon. The Rock is based and humble.

>>212748045
>it was a seismic cultural event back then. The likes of which the superhero genre has never, truly, seen
Come on dude. There's no point in pretending The Avengers was not a phenomenon, that reached an absolute fever pitch in the 2018-2019 period (leading to SIX superhero films doing over a billion dollars in that one year stretch, two of them doing over two billion). Or that Spider-Man 2002 was not a four quadrant mega blockbuster.

Batwank is alive and well here too I see.

>>212748045
It got outdone by Infinity War and Endgame less than a decade later.

>>212748157
no they wouldn't

>>212748045
You've simply reminded me right now of how autistic Nolan is, like I truly believe he is autistic. His extreme CGI tism to the actual detriment of his movies + his idea of 'respecting' Heath's memory is to literally have zero characters never mention the Joker, the fictional character. Weird man.

>>212748236
That sounds like some brand obsessed egotist jerking himself off at the expense of an entire franchise.

>>212748279
Nolan's Batman blew Raimi's Spider-Man out of the fucking water in terms of quality, storytelling, and performances

>>212748045
>The likes of which the superhero genre has never, truly, see
???

>>212748352
That wasn't what either of us said though was it? I didn't ask your opinion on a film's quality.

>>212748157
No they won't, they've been in almost all Batman media outside of the live action movies. Most casuals have been exposed to them one way or another.

>>212748343
Would you believe me if I said Rock went back to WWE to try and force them to book it that he wins the belt and then vacates it so he doesn't have to lose to another wrestler?
Because he tried that and fans protested

>>212748157
Gimme a fuckin break. No one is going to be bothered about Robin. He's been a part of Batman for nearly as long as Batman's been around. Also Nightwing looks cool as shit, who's gonna complain about him? Especially when he IS the Robin most people know, Dick Grayson.

>>212748455
I suspect he is shitposting, anon.

>>212746624 (OP)
>implying the DCU will get that far

>>212748006
Yupppp

>>212748197
Says good judgement. Being "close allies and trusted friends for 95% of their tenure" is a consequence brought about by being DC two most popular characters who debuted within a year of each other. It’s a contrivance, if you were writing Batman as an independent character no sane writer would say "you know what this urban crime fighter needs? A best friend who’s an alien god who can fly through space at the speed of light but disguises himself as a newspaper writer"

Let Gunn and his comic/cartoon circle jerkers drag Batman into the DCU in an attempt to reverse the international rejection and permanently destroy it all in the process. I don't care anymore

>>212748045
endgame made more at the box office it's opening weekend alone.

>>212748006
>>212748559
Well the important thing is that these movies should be produced as self contained properties. Otherwise they get massively undermined.

>>212748455
The cultural perception in film that is consumed by general audiences is that Batman works alone, adding in a partner vigilante is tantamount to blasphemy to those who watched Nolan or Reeves Batman

The Bat family are unnecessary in live action

>>212748540
They certainly have an approach that raises questions, like the Gods and Monsters thing not going something like: Superman, The Brave and the Bold, The World's Finest, Supergirl and/or Wonder Woman with maybe one niche project like Swamp Thing. I wish Gunn all the luck in the world but it's very much like 'huh' over stuff like The Authority before a Batman or WW solo

>>212748455
True, one of those characters that reached perfection by his third costume to the point that he's effectively never had to be changed again, and all costumes since are just minor variations on it.

>>212748569
I think Reeves (and Pattison by loyalty) would walk before letting that happen. There’s just absolutely nothing the DCU can offer The Batman. They are just two completely different worlds.

>>212748623
Too fuckin bad. There's a lot of other Batmen besides Nolan.

>>212748623
>adding in a partner vigilante is tantamount to blasphemy to those who watched Nolan or Reeves Batman
You make them sound like zealots that would rival a jihadist organization lol

>>212747987
Holy retard

>>212748674
And nobody has ever or will ever surpass Christian Bale as Batman, everyone taking on the role before and after him all exist in his shadow as his lessers

>>212748800
More like living in the shadow of The Dark Knight, the movie that fucking Congress selected as historically and culturally significant, not Bale the man. He gets clowned on a lot for the voice and the shitty costumes he was given

>>212748428
I would because that just sounds exactly like The Rock's clause in his movies that his characters can't lose fights

>>212746624 (OP)
Undoubtedly

The DCU was already an awful idea but following up Superman with Supergirl and Clayface is retarded. Nevermind Lanterns being a TV show. He needs to get humbled fast.

>>212748868
Snyderfags actually surpass my expectations, like we are seeing it in this thread in unique ways I couldn't anticipate - instead of it simply being Batgunn will be shit and mogged by Affleck, it's that Gunn won't have access to Batman period in the DCU

>>212748865
>"So what you do is you put the belt on me right?"
And then what, Mr. Johnson
>"I beat everybody and I have to dominate the match because I don't want to look weak."

>>212748920
>it's that Gunn won't have access to Batman period in the DCU
We can only hope

>>212748889
More or less agree. I do wish Gunn luck but I simply don't understand how he was able to convince the suits to let them announce a bunch of niche projects with Superman/Batman being the only two exceptions rather than Superman, Batman, World's Finest, Wonder Woman, and one singular niche character as Chapter One

Literally the HBO Max show Titans had a universe with both Batman and Superman
Albeit that's probably not a good example because that show was edgy Teen Titans fanfiction in TV form and Batman was an old fuck

>>212749016
>Batman was an old fuck
>look it up and it's jorah from got
Kek. Funnily enough, Ian Glenn when younger and with black hair did fit part

>>212746624 (OP)
I actually like this suit design
One thing I give Snyder credit for is that he made the costumes look like they came from a comic book whereas Marvel has this autistic need to redesign their superheroes with "tactical" and militarized style suits
The only criticism is Snyder also did the muted colors nonsense

>>212748615
Superman, despite all the presence of other heroes and organizations, was actually solidly standalone and didn't stop to set up other movies or shows. It set up a general worldspace, but no more than that. Characters appeared who can reappear in other properties, but if you weren't familiar with them you received all you needed to know in Superman, and they weren't loudly mentioning other properties like you were meant to be familiar with them already.

You don't need to be familiar with Green Lantern beforehand to understand the film's version of Guy Gardner, nor did it demand you watch the Lanterns TV show that he'll be reappearing in. He wasn't namedropping Hal Jordan or John Stewart. You got what you needed; he's a superhero, he's got a magic ring, he's on a corporate backed team with two other superheroes, he's cocky and abrasive, but a good guy ultimately. Everything you need is in the film. You didn't need to have seen Creature Commandos to know who Rick Flagg Sr. is, because in the film he's a government official that's generally supportive of Superman, that's his role in the film and all you need to know.

There was a point in the MCU where it went from characters existing in the same world and occasionally crossing over in designated teamups, or in small appearances where they naturally should be, to new entries requiring you to have watched 2 or 3 TV shows and other movies too, or they would be rather incomprehensible, and it became a chore, especially when the quality of said TV shows dropped rapidly after a decent start. Like The Marvels, just the basic premise required you to have seen both Wandavision and Ms. Marvel, not simply Captain Marvel, the movie it was ostensibly a sequel to, and it didn't sell itself on anything more than that, and as a result people just had no interest in seeing it at all.

>>212746624 (OP)
there already was plenty of autism with The Batman
but the main difference was Matt Reeves was not responsible for the entire company so he didn't get as much hate

>>212748800
Christian Bale wasn't even a good Batman. A good Bruce Wayne, both versions of him, but Batman, no. And he was massively overshadowed in his own films by the villains.

>>212748920
Snydertards will always move their goalposts, they know a gunn batman would beat the joke that was afflecks batman by miles

>>212749109
Wonder Woman's suit looked nothing like it was until they changed it in the comics so retards would claim it was like the comics. But you can't excuse The Flash in the least.

>>212749137
>massively overshadowed in his own films by the villains.
yeah that's what happens to Batman. no exceptions.

>>212749206
Not all the time.

>>212748800
Pattinson is way better lmao

>>212747652
>Nolan got it right

>>212749110
>, to new entries requiring you to have watched 2 or 3 TV shows and other movies too, or they would be rather incomprehensible, and it became a chore,
I know people like to also say its because Marvel went woke being the problem but this right here was the big catalyst that's damaged the MCU beyond repair.

If they wanted to continue the story on Disney+ with a series of miniseries while taking a hiatus from theatrical releases by all means that'd be okay but its a whole nother when the plot of Doctor Strange 2 making sense hinges on you having watched a Scarlet Witch show to explain why she's evil now

Literally they should've done the original plan with Nightmare and Shuma Gorath as the antagonists

>>212748864
Surprised that Batman 1989 has not been selected for Congress, given it was actually a major turning point in blockbuster cinema, from the format of theatrical releases, to marketing, to even budget and pay structures. Much of the foundation of modern releases of blockbuster films was laid down by the '89 film.

>>212749162
I am trying to convince myself these 'fans' are shitposting, cause I have shitposted as a Snyderfag too. Like I bring up an my issue how within MoS about how Superman brought the fight into Smallville. His actions caused that town to be a warzone, and I don't like how Clark never felt guilt and remorse over this, reflecting on how he has a lot to learn about his powers and the responsibility he has when fighting others like him. A Snyder fag then calls me a retard and refers to a phone call he had with Martha in BvS where the weight of people thinking he's bad and that he killed guys in Africa, etc. is conveyed, as if it has any relevance. You keep asking how the fuck that phone call in a different movie relates to an issue within MoS and you get nowhere. It is endlessly going in circles because they display an absolutely comical level of denseness and pseudo-intellectualism. I find it way more comforting to believe they are shitposters rather than being authentic and existing in droves.

>>212749346
and that's a bad thing

>>212749329
People are mad a comic nerd like Gunn is calling shots now but when you look at the other extreme here - Marvel Studios literally is run by and actively hires writers who hate comic books and encourage shitting on the source material just like Bryan Singer did in 2000

>>212749329
hell Marvel have openly acknowledged that as a critical mistake, diluting the brand with way too many TV shows in a very rapid space of time, and making film projects dependent on them
you did not need to have seen Daredevil for any of the films, nor any of the films to watch Daredevil, it was its own thing, and had its own tone and style

>>212749456
Also Kevin Fagie is legitimately retarded because he genuinely seems to think Eternals 2 should happen and tried advocating for recasting Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool because he didn't want to use any of the Fox actors but Internet backlash is forcing him to

>>212749672
>casting reynolds
Kek, no fucking way? No way, bro, please give sauce. That's like comically levels of retard given Deadpool existing as the 4th wall breaking character. He's the one guy you have to keep as a holdover from a past continuity

>>212746624 (OP)
There wont be a batman. Gunns DC will 100% be canceled after Superman absolutely shits the bed the next two weekends. Screen cap this.

>>212749672
He also thinks the MCU needs Rick and Morty writers writing Marvel films

>>212749737
>Screen cap this.
ok

>>212749162
There will always be cope. Like I know this won't be what happens but let's say the rest of the world were like
>damn the reviews are so good... we're gonna give superman a chance
And then when the BO gets updated it sits at 700 million, well the new goalpost becomes it's a failure because it wasn't 1 billion or that the numbers are faked by evil Warner Bros suits

>>212749672
>recasting Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool because he didn't want to use Fox actors
There's no way that's true, I refuse to believe anyone being that much of a petty, narcissistic faggot

>>212749392
You know one thing that irks me about Man of Steel, is that it all takes place in such a short span of time (with all the earlier stuff relegated to flashbacks), that you effectively never actually see Superman being Superman. Doing Superman things. He gets the suit, and pretty much immediately the Zod stuff kicks off and soon after he's just punching Kryptonians through buildings for the rest of the movie.

BvS had a montage of him doing Superman things at the start but nothing in Man of Steel. Like say Spider-Man, he becomes Spider-Man over the course of the first act, and then before his rivalry with Green Goblin kicks off, you get a period where he's doing Spider-Man things, stopping criminals, and the city is shown learning about him, having opinions on whether he's a force for good or a menace, or whether he stinks and I don't like em. Etc. Batman Begins has the same out of chronological order format which they recycled for Man of Steel, but you do still get to see him doing Batman things, and there's people reacting to Baman doing what cops won't, etc, for a bit before the League of Shadows plot really ratchets up.

Now it's been over a decade since I saw Man of Steel so maybe I'm just totally blanking on some scenes, but all I recall is him trashing a guy's truck, and saving some co-workers on an oil rig, and those are when he's still Clark Kent and laying low. Nothing from when he is actually in costume as Superman, openly out there stopping crimes, rescuing people from disasters, etc.

>>212749766
Jessica Gao, who was showrunner for She Hulk and "reinvented" Jen as a bitter, angry, Karen had only one writing credit before Feige handed her a $200 million show and that was Pickle Rick

>>212749930
Completely wasted Tatiana Maslany who is a great actress and did her best with the worthless material, too.

>>212749920
Zack Snyder and David Goyer don't know how to tell stories, add in that Zack's wife was a Warner suit so he got to do whatever he wanted and ignore Nolan

>>212749930
There's a reason why Perlmutter shot down a lot of stupid bullshit like killing off Iron Man in the first Avengers or making MCU Spider-Man be Miles Morales and its because Feige is convinced his shit doesn't stink, handing Feige total control was a God damn mistake

>>212746624 (OP)
The DCEU could've been fixed with a soft reboot where The Flash accidentally leaves us in an Earth One with a new Supes and Bats since WBD wanted Cavill and Affleck out anyway

Its Marvel that needs the complete and total top to bottom reboot

>>212749920
Goddamn anon, you actually articulated why I don't like MoS's pacing. Like for years I knew the pacing was something I always hated a lot but never knew how to articulate what the fuck the issue was and zoned in more on Superman's characterization and a lot of inconsistencies (his sorrow over taking the life of General fucking Zod to spare one family but utter nonreaction to Metropolis being levelled that killed thousands and being the cause of the Smallville fight). You are so correct, MoS really needed to breath. The very fact they had Lois on his track since Antarctica even gave them a reason for him to randomly get brought into the Daily Planet family, via her. Action toned down, Lois not shoved into a lot of the third action drama, and a big portion for him to be a normal hero before Zod comes.

>>212750317
>Affleck out anyway
Was Affleck an alcoholic menace during movies or only in between shoots? Like he can be forgiven for being a puffy bloated red-faced fuck in JL because the reshoots were not planned for

>>212750451
>before Zod comes.
Shannon came across more to me as a secondary villain, like Zod's own personal scientist madman of a right hand man. I guess it's personal preference that I prefer Zod to be charismatic to a degree, which Shannon was not

>>212750477
Iirc its because they wanted someone more long term than Snyder's vision of a five film arc and Batman being in his late 40s was seen as an obstacle to that

>>212750317
>Its Marvel that needs the complete and total top to bottom reboot
There should be a death penalty for anyone who does superhero movies.

It's tie to fucking stop.

>>212750317
>Marvel that needs the complete and total top to bottom reboot
Yeah but they don't own their flagship character's movie rights so kicking off a whole new continuity hinges on A. Wolverine B. Fantastic Four or C. Iron Man again

>>212749920
>>212750046
>>212750451
You’re all missing the point which is that they were doing a first contact story. If Superman spends 15 minutes of screen time establishing himself as a beloved hero saving kittens from trees, the story doesn’t work anymore.

>>212750821
I got that, and I know what I would have preferred.

>>212750546
>prefer Zod to be charismatic to a degree,
That's one of the things Snyder omits about General Zod and its that he sways people to his side through manipulation first before brute force

>>212750821
Then maybe they shouldn't be doing a first contact STORYYYYYYYY

>>212746624 (OP)
If Gunn wants to do Batman differently, take cues from the TV show Gotham where literally anything and everything is on the table from crime bosses and serial killers to cults, mad scientists, and Solomon Grundy

>>212750821
They should have done a different story then.

>>212751094
>take cues from the TV show Gotham
Never watched it, is it any good?

>>212751318
You're really asking TWO questions there.

>>212751094
>where literally anything and everything is on the table from crime bosses and serial killers to cults, mad scientists, and Solomon Grundy
This...could in theory, work, it establishes Batman deals with varying different degrees of crazy in DCU Gotham, one night of simple patrol turns into uncovering a bioengineered virus plot or a simple murder leading into a wider conspiracy surrounding the Court of Owls

>>212751318
It starts out kind of lame and dull, when it's firmly being "Batman prequel" and mostly a police procedural, and there's none of the main bad guys, just prototypes, or pre-villain characters, or the parents of future villains, etc.
But it does find its footing by the second season and from there it embraces how weird the show often already was and goes full into a mix of camp and edgy, and also just throws out the Batman prequel part and starts putting in any Batman villains they please, with the only aspect missing is Bruce Wayne actually IN a bat suit, since he's already doing Batman stuff to a degree at that point as a teenager. They also dump some characters that just don't work, and revamp others.

It's carried pretty hard by the great production design for a network show and several of the cast members, especially its version of Penguin, his actor is just the right mix of hammy and pitiable. Gordon himself despite being the main character is fairly boring and a weaker part of the show. But it is a pretty amusing and bonkers rollercoaster by later on.

>>212751607
>wider conspiracy surrounding the Court of Owls
What's the deal with these guys? I know of them through some basic cultural osmosis but what they actual motive or purpose is, if any of them are actual characters beyond the owl-themed enforcers, etc.

>>212751424
Then answer both

>>212751318
>>212751727
I will answer both at once

>>212751700
Isn't Joker the one exception to the Batman villains appearing? Like I remember reading they have TWO Joker precursors, both of them twin brothers. Two of these retards running around behaving exactly like the Joker sans some differences in their appearance and having known identities and backstories.

>>212751607
>the Court of Owls
Since Ultraman was used without a multiverse connection I could see Owlman being used in place of the Talons as the weapon the Court unleashes to kill Batman, or Owlman be the head of the Court and evil mirror of Batman

>>212751722
It’s Scott Snyder gahbahge, don’t worry about it.

>>212747937
>he has an adult audience

>>212746624 (OP)
cool textures

>>212750865
Ok

>>212751074
Alright

>>212751111
Nice quads

>>212746624 (OP)
Cool Batsuit. Looks like we're getting some classic Silver Age stuff on screen. I don't care about the director's "vision" or what some obnoxious fuck on 4chan has to say, i've been a fan of Batman and Superman since I was like 4 years old, and I'm in my 40s now, and still a fan of BATMAN AND SUPERMAN. Regardless of whatever they're presented as on screen. I watch these characters, because I like the characters. And again, this looks cool.

>>212751875
They wanted to make either one of them the Joker, including the actor planning to dye his hair bright green but WB came in and said that they can't have him look like or be called the Joker, nor could the name Joker be said in the show.

WB is weird about depicting the Joker in live action

>>212747867
Give me a Silver Age Batman on screen any day of the week. Give me grim, serious mature Batman too. I don't care. IT'S BATMAN. Batman rules. Campy, goofy, dark, serious, heroic, inspiring, Robin, no Robin, doesn't matter to me, because at the end of the day it's still a Batman movie. I get to watch Batman come to life.

>>212747907
>DC didn't allow Batman in the CW shows
I know they tried repeatedly to have even a single episode of Smallville where Batman was a guest character

>>212752050
>WB came in and said that they can't have him look like or be called the Joker, nor could the name Joker be said in the show.
Fucking what?

>>212752176
yeah it made little sense to me not to have at least a Bruce Wayne mention, let alone a cameo. Not even Batman, just Bruce. even on Arrow or The Flash. A 20something year old Bruce who's a little older than Clark, Oliver, Lex or Wally.

>>212752275
Wait what as Clark's starting and ending age in that show? Cause I know it ran for ten seasons and JL stuff happened later but you say a 20 year old Bruce is still older than Clark in the last seasons of that show?

>>212752321
Iirc in SV Clark is supposed to be 14-15 (Despite Welling being almost a decade older at the time)

>>212752034
R*ddit is that way, ma'am

>>212752321
Clark is about 16 at the very beginning of Smallville. He's like a sophomore going into junior year. So it would make a little sense for maybe season 5 or 6 when he's fresh out of high school but still not an adult to see a 20-something year old Bruce who's probably at the oldest 25, year one Batman who's trained but still largely inexperienced. Oliver is older than Clark, too in Arrow, he's close to 30.

Wally's a teenager, about the same age as season 5 Clark, close to 20. Lex is pushing 30.

>>212751875
They had a total moratorium on using "The Joker" or even the green and purple colour scheme, not even green hair was allowed. They were open that it was off the table for them.

It's kind of complicated and changed over time how they got around it. Originally their idea was a precursor who was not THE Joker, but someone who might inspire the future one. Eventually he dies and they imply his final actions are inspiring young lunatics to rise up and cause chaos. But then....he's brought back to life (without a face. Someone took it while he was dead. He has to retrieve it and staple it back on. Gotham has a lot of macabre bits), and it seems like he really will be the Joker, complete with major enmity with Bruce Wayne, who's still a teen at this point. But eventually he dies again for real this time, by his sane twin brother. But then said twin brother also gets driven insane too and actually becomes the real Joker...but still not allowed to be called that, he's got clown makeup and a suit, but not purple and green. In any case, he finally takes his acid dip in the series finale, and it's clear he's going to go on being the archenemy to Batman.

In any case Cameron Monaghan does a fine job as both versions. The first one is Jerome, and definitely takes inspiration from Ledger's version but is a little more wild and wacky as it goes on, the second is Jeremiah, and is actually quite a different take on the Joker, being a more calm and deadpan kind of insane, and more heavy on the "Clown Prince of Crime" aspect.

>>212748338
I can see the heath thing. May have felt wrong to name drop and may have looked like a pull for attention or money making. I remember the interviews with Nolan when heath died and idk they were definitely friendly beyond colleague stuff. It's how heath got the part in the first place. Nolan and him talked a lot about joker character building. Guy just felt wrong about it after his homey died.

>>212752478
And the second

>>212752478
We've only had one goof Joker on TV. Ever. Why can't WB just have fun with Superheroes? Everything has to be some kind of sadistic interpretation that doesn't fit.

>>212752518
this would've worked if he wasn't a homosexual. Joker can be a flamboyant playboy without all the LGBT nonsense injected into it. Joker could be the opposite side of the coin to Bruce. Flamboyant gangster with dirty money.

>>212752478
>They had a total moratorium on using "The Joker"
Yet they were allowed to have Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, Riddler, Scarecrow, and Penguin..

...The inconsistency here is jarring

>>212752632
Correct. Makes no sense at all. They're just weird about the Joker specifically.

>>212752632
WB/CW execs don't get The Joker. They want some creepy sadist terrorist. The Joker is a gangster in clown make-up. Batman is a costumed detective who knows the martial arts like The Shadow, or a King Fu Dick Tracey.

>>212752632
Its like if you did a Spider-Man show and weren't allowed to use Green Goblin or Venom

>>212752728
Go watch the Nicolas Hammond Spider-Man.

>>212746624 (OP)
>just printed spandex
Yawn.

>>212752728
>Venom
His possibly most recent Villain from 1991. Before your time.

>>212752712
>They want some creepy sadist terrorist. The Joker is a gangster in clown make-up.
The thing is, Joker can be both, a devious trickster, and a stand up comedian with a dark sense of humor, Joker is versatile

>>212752551
Gotham was extremely camp, it was just paired with edgy macabre at the same time. It was like the Arkham games crossed with the Adam West show at times.

>>212752823
Very true, but there's also the fact we never get that. Again, it's like the WB/CW executives don't understand The Joker. They just want this insane clown terrorist/sadist.

>>212752728
>or Venom
Yeah.....imagine that....

>>212752823
>Joker is versatile
I honestly hope James Gunn remembers that for whenever he does use Joker
Even in BTAS, The Joker's motives varied wildly from episode to episode which is how the Joker should be depicted

>>212752614
I'm looking forward to seeing Absolute Joker some more, though you absolutely know that when he finally smiles and then laughs like a maniac it will be cause Batman took the fucker down a few several pegs

>>212752971
Lol, true. One episode he is sad when Batman 'dies' and holds a funeral, in JL he is totally prepared to shoot a tied up Batman like any old normal gangster

>>212752977
I love Absolute Batman. Haven't caught up but the idea of a blue collar, hard nosed Batman who doesn't have the same rules as the original Caped Crusader is great. He'll legitimately fuck you up if you cross the wrong lines. traditional Batman doesn't go that far.

>>212752971
>>212753034
Isn't Joker a 180 IQ gigachad of a villain? Cause I see him involved in all these event stories and rubbing shoulders with guys like Lex Luthor

>>212752971
>The Joker's motives varied wildly from episode to episode
This, Joker in comics is summed up as he acts in whatever manner benefits a given motive on a given day, that's what makes dealing with him unpredictable

>>212753059
I do hope that all his childhood friends don't fall to villainy. Before Waylon got kidnapped Edward was the closest to the persona of the mainline guy, I'd like to keep seeing Riddler basically be the Oracle for Absolute Batman

>>212753104
Jack is smart, sure, but he's not a genius by any means. Edward Nigma makes him look stupid any time he talks. Joker's good at putting up a front for everyone to make it look like he's steps ahead, when really, he's winging it the entire time.

The Riddler always has a plan.

>>212752712
The Jeremiah version from Gotham was definitely more of a long planning gangster rather than just a gross lunatic. The character can be versatile

>>212753164
I saw all of three episodes of Gotham and didn't care for it. I'm not the target audience. I wanted a Smallville for Batman.

Joker just sometimes likes to fuck with Batman for very petty reasons
Joker likes to do something that will kill a lot of people because he's bored
Joker also likes to just be an annoyance because he finds being a pest funny.
You could easily make a Batman film where Joker just wants to get under Batman's skin and has no grand plan - he's bluffing the entire movie

>>212752977
>>212753059
>I love Absolute Batman
Goyslave Alert

>>212747569
Gunn has already spoken about this. He's going with the interpretation that Batman never kills because of the trauma of his parents' death which has given him very hardline rules to follow, whereas Superman never kills because he believes in the inherent value of every life.
Batman doesn't have to kill for his adaptations to be dark and/or kino as Frank Miller doesn't have Batman kill either.

>>212753293
>he's bluffing the entire movie
This with the right director would be subverted expectations done right
>Entire film is a 120 to 125 minute manhunt for the Joker
>Batman uncovers clues that Joker is up to something
>But it is strange that Joker is being sloppy
>Film reveals Joker's endgame was just a ploy to mess with Batman after their fight

>>212753323
be quiet kid. this isn't a place for you retards and incels to shitpost.
>>>/b/ is that way. Get out. The real fans and adults are speaking to each other.

>>212752971
My favorite bit of BTAS Joker is when he gets fixated on terrorizing a poor guy just for yelling at him for cutting him off on the road.
I always wonder where the Joker was driving to.

>>212753356
>Batman never kills because of the trauma of his parents' death
This is the single most perfect Batman origin for his laws and rules possible and makes everything else about him work. Batman CAN kill, but won't out of respect for his family.

>>212753474
>then throws a cream pie at Batman
It honestly doesn't have to be a goofy subverted expectations thing, like Joker doesn't mass murder this time but puts Batman personally, physically throught utter toil. He's very worse for wear by the end and he's frankly disturbed all of this was over a prank and to throw a pie at his chest. He thought he had Joker's number but didn't and it has very disturbing implications for when Joker decides to hatch a truly evil plan that is going to kill lots of people

>>212753539
This is a great one, and Harley's Day Out, too.
Something about this one makes me think Joker was on the way to recruit some henchmen. Maybe. Maybe he just wanted a hamburger? Bad guys take a day off, too.

>>212753356
>Batman never kills because of the trauma of his parents' death
I've never understood this because realistically if Batman knew how deep the corruption ran he should be burning it all down and putting fuckers in the ground, move on to the criminals next

>>212753596
>squirting flower
>pie in the face
It's all one big gag just to get in Batman's head, and make his day just THAT much worse, and get a laugh out of the guy, FOR ONCE.

>>212753578
NTA but I got so tired of SUPERMAN BAD BATMAN THE REBEL INSURGENT LEADER format I toyed with the idea of Batman being the antagonist. Not pure evil, but close to falling off the deep end and totally the asshole. If you REALLY want to be ballsy enough some shit like how Joker died in TDKR - Batman twists that neck and Joker is gonna die but Joker deliberately twists his neck himself to excel the death with a smile on his face and something breaks in Batman cause of that and as he always predicted it changes him for the worse and he does shit like collaborate with Waller for something shady like an anti crime AI using reverse engineered Brainiac stuff. Shit like Batman taking the same serum Luthor did in All-Star to take on Superman, etc. Not saying it's good but for once I would want a Superman vs. Batman thing where Batman is cast in the more villainous light. Maybe the Tower of Babel contingencies getting activated too against Leaguers that do not fall in line.

>>212753756
>Shit like Batman taking the same serum Luthor did in All-Star to take on Superman, etc.
He's also stomping around in TDKR armor but it's not 'omg so badass', it's tragic seeing him like that - it's some grotesque corruption of what Bruce is meant to be. It pains Clark like all hell to see him like that

>>212753756
Joker is the counterweight Batman needs to keep him grounded. If The Joker managed to off himself JUST TO REALLY STICK IT to Batman, he'd snap. He'd finally snap. They NEED each other like two sides of Two-Face's coin, or Mr. freeze needs Nora. They drive each other, and keep each other from REALLY going off the reservation.

Joker's even said he doesn't know what he'd do if he actually killed Batman. He kind of see's bats as a friend. They've been a part of each other's lives for so long that it'd be like losing family.

>>212746624 (OP)
>this much autism and Snyderfagging

>>212753511
>this isn't a place for you retards
That’s funny because when I look up "retard" in the DSM, "loves Absolute Batman" is one of the diagnostic criteria.

>>212749245
>I need it to be different now. I didn't count on being happy.

>>212753105
I like a version that might throw a grenade or a pie at Batman, and find both equally funny.

>>212753756
Injustice does this. Clark finally has enough and turns into a totalitarian dictator that rules over the earth with a terrifying iron first. To reverse it, and have Batman finally become the totalitarian war lord of Gotham City like most people expect of him, finally saying "enough is enough", carrying Kryptonite weapons, having every possible counter to the entire justice League, even so far as every other lantern ring possible, the anti-life equation, all because the opposite side of him, The Joker, off's himself as a joke, would work well with the right author.

Batman's #1 thing is having a contingency plan for EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, especially The Justice League.

>>212746624 (OP)
As much as I hate Nu Trek I really wouldn't mind seeing the guy who plays Spock in Strange New Worlds play Batman

>>212754127
he might be a better Riddler.

>>212746624 (OP)
I think Snyder had the wrong idea about how he wanted Batman's arc to play out
Instead of killing off Dick I'd have kept Nightwing around, but of course the two are on shaky terms, Kill off Bruce and have Dick take up being the new Batman complete with replacing black and gray with gray and blue

>>212746624 (OP)
I honestly can't rank most of the Batsuits. They all look fine to me, whether it's Keaton or Bale or Kilmer or Pattinson.

>>212754274
It wasn't Dick who's killed. Dick never dies by the Joker's hand, it's Jason. You can tell even by the very design of the robin suit.

Since we now know Gunn is intent on having Robin in the DCU be Damian, does that mean we'll just not see Tim or Jason or any batfam beyond Dick, Damian, and maybe Barbara?

>>212754358
Battinson cowl with Affleck suit (make the fake muscles less bulky) would be good for me. Worst one has to Bale's TDK/TDKR one

just want Dark Knight Returns with Flash Thompson already....he's 48...55 in the comic. get on it

wonder women will come down to how jiggly and voluptuous she is, if the pick is flat as carboard its over.
also is there really going to be two batmans or is rpatts down for more money to star in multiple films

>>212754495
The second Balebats suit is what opened the floodgates to all the gay tacticool redesigns Marvel movies use so I concur

>>212754490
I'd expect Dick at bare minimum as Night Wing. Adapting Under the Red Hood is a solid decision for the sequel. You have a layered tragic antagonist in Jason and Joker (at his most vile) and Ra's feature in significant ways without being the actual villains with big bad plans that Batman has to stop

>>212754478
Snyder on Twitter literally confirmed the dead Robin is supposed to be Dick

>>212754626
Not surprising, he had Jimmy Olsen of all people violently executed by mercs in some African shithole.

>>212754540
Too stupid looking and too brown to be Batman

>>212754626
That's cos he's a fuckin idiot

>>212754726
I wonder if a young and bulked up Olyphant could have been a good Bruce - I still maintain he'd have been a better/cooler Iron Man than RDJ

>>212748634
>calls himself Nightwing
>no wings

>>212754626
That's stupid. Blatantly, purposefully trying to change established Batman lore.

>>212754784
Nta but I don't hate Sneeder despite not liking his trilogy a whole lot - but he had sensibilities for those movies that were so off mark that it's odd the suits didn't tard wrangle him hard and it took his adopted daughter killing herself for him to dip and Whendon to get brought in. I sort of look at shit like BvS the way I look at Lynch's Dune, in that they are off kilter messes but you can tell there were talented people making those movies

Its a shame the show Titans shit the bed as epically as it did because the idea of Dick not wanting to become like Bruce is an idea Young Justice delved into and that was a cartoon aimed at kids

While the "mature", live action streaming show just gave him Jason's post-crisis traits

>>212749245
The movie is entirely about his fling. Batman Begins especially the first half is the only Batman movie centered on Bruce

>>212754903
>I don't hate Sneeder
stop the memespeak. grow up and talk about film & pop culture like a regular person. It's pathetic.

>>212749346
I'm pretty sure Superman 78 is everything you say Batman 89 was (I wasn't born for either one)

>>212754830
Boomers probably had such a hateboner over Robin cause of the Adam West show - shit like Bale saying he'll chain himself to a desk and refuse to act in the movies if they use Robin, etc. 2010s is probably when younger people through the exposure games, comics, etc. could get via the internet and social media realised that the Robins, their individual arcs, etc. are kino

>>212754726
>Too stupid looking
maybe
>>212754726
>too brown
he stays out of the sun for a couple months and he's fine

>>212754983
>writes this whilst on /tv/
kek

>>212754983
It’s a free country brother

>>212755029
I interpreted his post as 'looks like a fuckin' wop',

>>212755005
Robin was invented specifically to target the teenage and young kid readers of comics who hadn't yet picked up an issue of Batman. The first issues weren't selling as well as Detective Comics had hoped, so Kane created The Boy Wonder for kids to have someone to see in themselves.

Same thing for Bucky and Cap. Spider-Man and The X-Men changed this, as they were teenagers, but their own heroes, not sidekicks. Then teen Titans, minus Robin's established history, followed suit.

>>212755029
He looks like he the male version of those fitness model Down syndrome girls

>>212755112
Ok. A bit besides the point but thanks, I'd add Olsen is the equivalent for Superman.

>>212754989
And you are absolutely wrong. It was a big film, but it did not herald the beginning of the modern blockbuster release and promotion, Batman 89 did.

>>212755099
Yeah pretty much

>>212755065
Freedom has a price and a responsibility to others. this idiot >>212755050, needs to go outside and become an adult.

>LE AUTISM IS FUN-E LOOK AT MI DUM FROG PIKTUREZ
This used to be one of the few boards on this mistake website where people could discuss things seriously, and frankly, should be it's own website.

>>212755005
This is true enough. My father is 62 and he grumbled about Batman being campy bullshit before he sat down and loved TDKR like a year after it was released.

Teen Titans '03 really did a lot to improve the image of Robin who before was seen as Batman's useless kid sidekick

TT03 proved Robin could be a competent badass and pull goth/alien poontang

>>212746755
The reason Gunn's Superman is getting so much attention is because its getting astroturfed to hell and back.

WB was going to reproduce everything Disney did with the MCU or die trying. Everything from copying their non stop quips per second style to their aggressively proactive social media marketing campaign.

>>212755199
*TDK, I meant. He watched it in 2009.

>>212755162
Not entirely beside the point. you made a real valid point about Batman being a campy cartoon show. But that was the idea, it was a silly Saturday morning show on NBC that turned The Caped Crusader into a Looney Toon.

>>212755258
You know if the West show upped the comedy factor significantly or was it actually quite a straight adaption of early Batman's tone?

>>212755233
>pull goth poontang
But he never fucked Raven

>>212755239
Oh shut the fuck up

>>212747937
Spider-man made almost two billion dollars without china
Way bigger then batman

>>212755233
>Teen Titans '03 really did a lot to improve the image of Robin who before was seen as Batman's useless kid sidekick
Shit I totally forgot about this when writing >>212755005. I had such a thing for Raven too, she made me feel funny even though it was years and years before puberty.

>>212755321
NTA but I recollect him having way better chemistry with her. I guess they used the 'opposites' attract mindset with him and Starfire, and Raven and that little green faggot. But he and Raven had interactions that made you want to see them get together.

>>212755233
Makes me glad the live action Titans made Raven a teenager
I don't think I could stomach a TT show on CW where there's an endless Nightwing/Raven/Starfire love triangle

>>212746733
It's the best suit we have seen in a movie yet, faggot

>>212755233
It's also weird that they've NEVER adapted Nightwing to film despite how long he's been around.

>>212755395
>that little green faggot.
Dis nigga was so annoying because of the voice actor more than anything. I still don't like Al from FMA:B purely because the English voice actor is too fucking high-pitched and whiney.

>>212754983
Somebody get this hothead outta here...

>>212755193
weirdo :) :o

>>212755421
Batman more like Baskteball man, looks like he’s covered in basketball material

>>212747327
you are so little and sad.
snyderverse died for a reason

>>212755318
A little bi of both. Batman in the 50s was a very silly comic book for kids, same with Superman. They added just a touch of psychedelia to the show for the sake of capturing the attention of the teenage audience, as again, with my point about Robin being introduced for kids and teenagers. But the campiness, the silly slapstick comedy of The Joker, Riddler, King Tut, etc. was ramped up because it was a Saturday morning NBC show.

Adam West always said "other Batmen were The Dark Knight. I like to think of myself as The Light Knight."

>>212747467
>brown eyes
nope

>>212754903
>but he had sensibilities for those movies that were so off mark
I've rarely seen it acknowledged, but guy is probably a himbo at his core given how he looked when he was younger

>>212755438
You believe the shitposters control this board, but I have news for you, my anonymous friend: This board belongs to those who are the original denizens. WE control this board, not the mere shitposters who've come along, to eat away at it, with their rot, and corruption.

It is ours to do with as we please, not the children. There's is simply to sit, and learn, and observe.

>>212755172
Really? The Star Wars OT, Sly and Arnold, 80s blockbusters like ET, Ghostbusters, Robocop, Aliens, Predator, didn't? I honestly don't know but that doesn't sound accurate with all the blockbusters in the 80s

>>212755670
You were... permabanned... by a gang of janitors (that do it for free)

>>212746624 (OP)
I wouldn't mind Battinson, two concurrent Batman film series is retarded

>>212755670
Irony is that it wasn't even a shitpost, even with the use of 'sneeder' as a word withstanding.

>>212755745
>Batman 89 did
This exactly. Tim Burton's Batman created the very idea of the Hollywood Summer Blockbuster, and the tie-in with Batman The Animated series two years after in 1991.

Superman was a big film, but not to the impact of Batman. Superman made greenscreen mainstream film technology where previously it was sparsely used and largely untested.

>>212746624 (OP)
ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING MESH PATTERNS

>>212746624 (OP)
we need a Hindu Batman. that will truly be Earth Shaking

>>212755829
>Superman was a big film, but not to the impact of Batman.
Compared to Batman I guess you could say he was... Subparman.... heh.

>>212755784
PERMABANNED? You're a big poster.

>>212755829
>Tim Burton's Batman created the very idea of the Hollywood Summer Blockbuster
Star Wars came out in 1977

>>212755857
>Bharatman saar, that bloody little rascal Shittler bloody gone and raped another schoolgirl! Saar pls do the needful arrest this basterd bhenchod. Okay thankyouvermuch

>>212755829
So what impact did Star Wars have, the highest grossing movie until Titanic? Why is Jaws 1975 called "the birth of the modern blockbuster"?

>>212748455
>Also Nightwing looks cool as shit
Nightwing is faggot who only appeals to gays and fujos

>>212755883
don't make me throw tomatoes at you.

>>212755883
Highly successful, just like Superman, but the actual financial idea of "The summer blockbuster" starts with Batman.

>>212755935
For you.

>>212755965
see
>>212755979
JAWS and Star Wars were taglined as "summer blockbusters", yes, but that modern era of movies being tailor made to set box office records starts with Tim Burton's Batman, incidentally, because Warner Brothers actually didn't have much faith in it initially until the marketing took off.

>>212756028
See? See what you dumb nigger, you’re just wrong

>>212756082
see my previous post. Hothead.

>>212756132
There’s nothing to see, "oh I know I said ‘the idea of the summer blockbuster’ but I actually mean some nonsense I just made up called ‘the financial idea of the summer blockbuster’ which supersedes the ‘summer blockbuster’"

Go back to your jungle

>>212749346
for some reason Batman 1989 and Raimi Spider-Man, while still regarded as iconic movies, have been forgotten as the box office juggernauts they were at the time. Nobody talks about how huge they were.

Nightwing should be a focal point where he fucks every single girl - Supergirl, Batgirl, Starfire, Huntress, Zatanna, Donna Troy, and Wonder Woman

>>212754495
>>212754588
But is the TDKR suit really more worse then when they didn’t even bother making George clooney a new suit and piece together panther suit and sonar suit, shit didn’t even fit him.

>>212756347
>Donna Troy, and Wonder Woma
Separately or just have it be one big threesome?

>>212755479
Looks fine

>>212755479
no, the basketball textures are from the Snyder suits

>>212756352
Both are equally shit

>>212756569
Too stupid looking and too blond

>>212756569
>was aqualad on Smallville
>got fucking JACKED to be Reacher
You dye his hair black, and he's the best Batman we could ask for in a long, long time. Maybe even a good Bruce Wayne because Alan has a lot of charisma, too.

>>212755745
I did not say Batman 89 invented blockbusters. I said it laid the foundation of the modern blockbuster release, which it did. E.T. for instance, was the highest grossing film in history from 1982 to Jurassic Park in 1993. Over 400 million at the domestic box office. What did it open at? 11 million. It made that money over a long time, 25 times the opening weekend by the time it closed.

Theatrically releases were different pre-1990s. Smaller openings, much longer theatrical runs, as much as a year straight, and more frequent re-releases, especially pre-80s when the home video market was not developed and color TV was less standard. Star Wars was re-released in theaters in 1978, 1979, 1981, and 1982, for instance.

Batman 1989 heralded a big change; bigger marketing campaigns, bigger hype, bigger openings, shorter theatrical runs, shorter gaps between the theatrical release and home video. Batmania, the media nicknamed it, the huge marketing campaign leading up to the film, huge amounts of merch, advertisements, tie-ins, it really blanketed the airwaves. Nicholson's pay for the film was also a record, while he got a fairly standard amount of base pay for a star of his caliber, he also got a hefty cut of the gross and merch sales, he made out with over 50 million for the role in the end. Batman opened at over 40 million for opening weekend, which was another record, percentage wise it was a big jump over prior record holders. And that opening record has increased exponentially since.

Titanic is actually interesting for that exact reason, it was quite old school in how it became the highest grossing film ever in 1997, it opened at 28 million in 1997, good but nothing really BIG. But it just kept going and going. Every week people showed up for it again, and it stayed in theaters practically all of 1998. In fact it grossed MORE than that original 28 million on some subsequent weekends. It wasn't the modern "open massive, but frontloaded" blockbuster.

>>212755965
actually E.T. broke Star Wars' record, and itself was broken by Jurassic Park

>>212756278
>Nobody talks about how huge they were.
That was before people were obsessed with other people's money. You read it in Variety (because it's a trade magazine), but it wasn't headlines in Fangoria or Wizard or front page on the entertainment section in the papers.
The mediatization of box office revenues only exists to tribalize people further. Why care about the new Superman making 250 mils? It's not like the producers themselves care when the funding for the next 10 movies is already secured and some are actually far in preprod.

>>212756723
There's a long running tradition of the previous record holder sending a letter to the new record holder congratulating them with some artwork. Of course, some filmmakers have broken records set by themselves (like James Cameron), but you can see letters of congratulations from Cameron to Marvel Studios, and then again from Marvel Studios to Cameron when the re-release of Avatar put it back at number 1, or when E.T.'s record went back to Star Wars after its re-release in the 80s.

>>212749711
Doesn't Reynolds have some stake in the movie rights for the character since he pretty much pulled all the strings to actually make it happen?

>>212747493
>I hate that James didn't just try to work with the vision The Rock had

Now this is trolling

>>212756278
Numbers for box office have increased so astronomically that it can be hard to fathom how big those films were at the time they opened. The Avengers breaking 200 million on opening weekend was a shock, and obliterated the previous record holder (the last Harry Potter, at 169 million), it was the kind of record that you'd not expect to be broken for a long long time, but actually it got broken just three years later by Jurassic World, also a shock. 200 million hasn't become commonplace, it's still a massive opening, there are a bunch now. Just like the billion dollar film was incredibly rare after the first one in Titanic, until it wasn't and by the 2010s you actually had a lot of them (56 movies currently).

>>212747987
Black Adam was so cringe people started to question the rocks image

>>212756569
That's a perfect looking Batsuit design, too bad it wouldn't translate to live action, fabric is nowhere near as sculpted and defined as that IRL.

>>212757000
I think he was co-producer, and he and the other guy spent years working on the script and doing screen tests to convince fox to get them some money to make a movie, and then it made all the money, so they let him do his thing up until the buyout made them put everything on ice.

>>212757134
And then there's how actually hard it is to build these suits that are practical for the actor to wear and to move in. So many of the Batsuits have been hell to wear and try to do fight scenes in.

>>212756810
>The mediatization of box office revenues only exists to tribalize people further. Why care about the new Superman making 250 mils?
Goddamn. Thank you. Just enjoy the movie and stop giving a shit about someone else's money. You don't work for the studio or own the rights to the film. You're just the audience.

>>212757463
The thing is you've got engagement shills and genuine idiots that are incapable of not treating everything like a console war that just muddy up every conversation.
None of them have any actual interest or knowledge of film as a medium, or the comic books they somehow put on a pedestal despite never reading.

>>212757431
Besides that, you build those suits to be shot from very specific angles and hyper-precise lighting.
Go find production stills from any of the nolan batman movies where Bale is just standing around in the suit in full lighting, and he looks like a dork in a weird motorcycle outfit.
Or batfleck before the movie was released, and it just looked weird and had that fiberglass texture, but when it shows up in the movie it looks pretty good (maybe a little pig faced, but cowls are hard to pull off).

>>212757763
Exactly, and I'm trying to explain this similar point to a friend of mine who keeps spazzing out and throwing a minor tantrum over the Fortress of Solitude scenes with Supergirl being shot on a soundstage.

Why do you care? Movies are shot on a soundstage. It's a movie. A movie you weren't involved in, you're JUST the audience. Go get some popcorn and relax.

>>212757847
Or the many famous "stuntman in stunt version of superhero suit walking around on set" pics and people are like "WHAT, LOOKS LIKE COSPLAY".

>>212757924
I'm confused as to what else it's meant to be. The interior of the Fortress is going to be a set, no shit? You gotta build that.

>>212757966
Wait, movies are shot...on A SET? that people BUILT?! That's impossible!

Like man, what the fuck do you want, more blue screens in an plane hanger? People have lost the ability to enjoy things.

>>212757463
And most people don't even understand what "box office" means. It's counted exactly like gate revenue for events, except that instead of renting the venue and keeping gate (assuming you sold your tickets on your own), cinemas keep a percentage on the box office. That percentage varies from whether it's a "local" theatre or a chain, the distribution company, whether it's a pre-screening, first release, second release, the region, bunch of factors. $200 millions box office means nothing in terms of true return value. Not only that, but the studios don't often see all that money because investors and producers (and some actors who have it on their contract, often with a producer title) get first skim.

>>212758079
It's all ridiculous to pay attention to that stuff. Just watch the movie, or don't. That's all it takes. And it's your choice. Just like it's your choice to obsess and spaz out over things you don't even have a say in. Who cares about critic scores and film metrics. What happened to being an audience member?

>Obvious bait thread turned into actually decent discussion in places
Wow, that does not happen often

>>212756690
Now I know

>>212758079
The thing most people don't understand about the current studio system is that they're not really interested in making money on the box office. They intentionally bloat the budgets to absurd amounts because they can cook the books to make sure it NEVER shows a profit (and thus no investors or people with points on the back end) ever get paid off. Peter Jackson had to take newline to court to get his money from them.
But as long as your movie is perceived to have sold well that is all that matters, because now you can go back to investors and ask for a hundred million more than last time. Then the studio makes sure it pays itself first, and spends the scraps on some green screen, marketing, and distribution, and bob's your uncle.

>>212756690
Cameron did the same thing with Avatar, it was in the theater for like 8 months, and then got a big re-release for christmas the next year.
I remember when a big movie might take a year before you could rent it or see it on HBO.
Theatrical windows have shortened to the point where movies are out of the theater before I've even heard of it, or gotten around to going to see it.

>>212758608
It used to be sometimes, a movie wouldn't even get a VHS release until maybe a decade after it was in theaters, and it was a big surprise when you saw it at the video store. Now? Three weeks it's on Netflix.

>>212758499
Sometimes they do pay up on time, Cameron recalls after Avatar, Fox wrote him a check for 90 million dollars, his share of the box office gross as per his deal, and it was quite surreal to see that written on a cheque, so he went home with it and was sitting by his pool like "Ok, what the fuck do I do with all this?". In the end he bought the house next door to his to turn it into a home editing studio and office. Beats buying a bunch of cars or something I guess.

>>212756690
Well we can certainly agree that Batman 89 is mostly overlooked today other than Nolan fart huffers looking down on it. When people today talk about the first movies with merch tie-ins, they're only referring to the Star Wars OT

>>212756347
Diana would never fuck that bum

>>212758748
most people wouldn't know what to do with that unrealistic amount of money and would self destruct. Cameron reinvested it into his work.

>>212758790
He's always been a pretty shrewd business guy.
The whole reason he made T2 was because he got fucked out of money for the first movie, so he decided to basically remake the movie with a bigger budget and more guarantees. Part of the reason he shills for every new (awful) terminator movie is because he gets paid (and he'll talk shit about it as soon as the check clears).

>>212758953
James "That check better not bounce or you're a dead motherfucker" Cameron

>>212758499
That explains why so many modern movies don't make back their budgets, yet studios keep releasing more of the same that the public doesn't want. In the past, a single flop could bankrupt a studio. The Snyderverse is one of the few recent franchises that actually got scrapped after underperforming, even though its films weren’t really box office bombs. The DC Hamadaverse lasted longer without course-correcting, and they were all failures, literally all of them

>>212759119
Also think about how many of these studios have streaming services desperate for content.
Why worry about selling someone a ticket once or twice when you can sucker them in with a free trial that charges them a ticket price every single month unless you make the effort to turn off auto-subscription.

>>212758766
This is true, but I don't mean that it invented merch, or movies with big hype. I'm talking about how blockbuster films were both marketed and how they were released in theaters, as well as home video. The basic way big films get released that we know as standard now wasn't the standard even when Star Wars or ET were doing colossal total numbers. The frontloaded giant openings and shorter runs with home video releases some months later is all we know now, but even when VHS was in full swing in the 80s you used to have a LONG wait before new films were on home video and even longer to be on TV, so a long theatrical run and fairly common re-releases were still there.

If you look at lists of movies with the longest legs, there are no modern blockbusters on there, not even 1990s ones, it's all 80s films that made like 20x their opening weekend, and modern films that do those multipliers tend to be smaller films that open limited but stick around a while, or maybe smaller comedies that break out and stick around. Raiders of the Lost Ark for instance, that opened to 8 million, ended with over 200 million, a 27.0 multiplier. Flashforward to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, that opened to 100 million, ended with 300 million, a 3.0 multiplier. The latter is higher but how it made its money is totally different.

>>212758953
He made a shady deal with his then wife so the 2st one could get made, they divorced, and she fucked Jim out of a lot of money. Success is the best revenge.

>>212759554
1st*

typing like i'm a saaaar.

>>212759554
>I'm the king of the world! *stares at camera* Fuck you, Gale!
That was weird

>>212746624 (OP)
>Is there going to be this much autism and Snyderfagging when we find out who the new Batman or Wonder Woman are?
We've had so many versions of Batman it won't matter.
WW is harder to get right.

>>212759623
>That was weird
But based.

>>212759782
>WW is harder to get right.
It's actually easy,but they always turn it into a mess for some reason.
Just streamline a bit the Perez run, restore some shit that was lost in the crisis, like Amazons being a pulp sci fi civilization. Shaped from clay, bracers and lasso, stealth jet...
Just ignore anything made after flashpoint and it's done

>>212759968
>they always turn it into a mess for some reason.
It's the exact same issue with video game movies. Studio executives just can't understand the idea of a 1:1 adaptation and what the audience wants or likes. Every fucking dummy, peabrained producer just thinks "Oh hey that's popular, but what about if we did THIS instead? I like this idea better. We'll do that, okay?"

Same with a lot of hackneyed directors and screenwriters who flat out ignore or just skim the source material for some shitty "inspiration" for their "vision".

You hear about Jim Cameron's idea for Spider-Man. Or Kubrick's bullshit idea of Superman.

>>212760068
>Or Kubrick's bullshit idea of Superman.
No tell me, I need to hear this

>>212760068
What was kubrick’s idea

>>212760319
>>212760344
I vaguely remember. If I gave any information I'd sound like I'm pulling nonsense out of thin air, but I know there's a Bullets & Blockbusters video about it somewhere.

Jim Cameron's idea for Spider-Man was just...disturbing. Spider mailing rituals with MJ on a giant web. man-Spider plotline, Cronenberg levels of body horror...

From what I DO remember snout Kubrick, there was a lot of allegory about Superman being a literal God. Something similar to the Jesus stuff Snyder peppered into Man of Steel.