This thread is for people who hate this film for genuinely objective, and artistic reasons. People who went into it with an open mind but were unimpressed with the result and/or disappointed by the decisions and direction it actually went. You also have to be able to articulate why without resorting to simplistic black and white comparisons and the usual talking point nonsense. This means:
>NO political animals
>NO 'muh capeshit' faggots
>NO 'muh superhero fatigue' retards
>NO 'muh multiverses am bad' regurgitators
>NO Marvel > DC fags
>NO 'muh comic lore' fags
>NO industry/media/Youtuber shills
>NO anti-Gunners
and definitely
>NO Snyderfags

Let's cut through that noise. Don't even compare it to other Superman films or other capeshit. Just tell me why you thought this movie - as a movie - was bad, (less than a 5 on the 10-star scale).

I'll start. It was full of sound and fury signifying nothing of any real or lasting value. The action scenes were barely coherent, the plot was stupid, the exposition was more painful than the lead-fart jokes, and I couldn't care less about most of the undercooked characters. Not even a question of subjective taste. It's nothingburger that's the superhero equivalent of 'The Force Awakens' and we're the only ones who can see that it's just flashy horseshit on day one. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills like I did with that.

People giving it higher scores seem to be shills, retards, or swept up in the hope or hype somehow. Even people giving it a 6/10 are suspicious to me, as if that's some kind of damage-minimising shill strategy. I call bullshit. It's not the worst movie ever made, but it's not even close to that good.

>>212771524 (OP)
It has a black guy in it

Loved this film

>>212771524 (OP)
>Superman gets his ass kicked for the most part and gets his ass saved every time
>Has to be saved from his arch nemesis by a stupid dog
>All the men in the flick cry like a bitch
>Too many characters
>No character development
>No scene of Superman saving Lois
>A nigger acts more like superman than he himself.
> Shitty comedy that doesn't allow you to take anything seriously resulting in no weight
>Pic related
>Is told by is space dad to be a pedo licking young girls and boys ass
>Shitty pacing
Off the top of my head.

The film feels empty and lifeless. That's my problem with it. It's competent, but hollow. If you removed the branding, nobody would care about it. The actors are great, but the script is so nothing.

Comparisons to The Force Awakens are pretty spot-on. I think TFA is better because it has some exciting action scenes. JJ is pretty good at that stuff. But it has that same sense of being a nostalgia-addled course correction to a controversial previous trilogy of films. Some people argue that people soured on The Force Awakens after The Last Jedi. No, the souring began long before that. When people woke up and realized that the TFA was a completely pointless movie that existed for no other reason than to make money off a brand. It had no vision, it had no authentic point to make. It was all glib affirmation and empty feel-good rhetoric.

My sincere belief is that this film's wave of hype in nerd circles and mainstream "It's fun!" is going to be followed by severe backlash in a few years. Maybe less than a year.

>>212772044
I'd wager it'll be in a few months, few weeks even but yeah it just seems to be a pretty by the numbers film

If we’re cutting through the noise, Gunn’s Superman fails not because of politics or “muh tone,” but because it’s hollow slop masquerading as sincerity. It pretends to have heart but never earns it. The story is overstuffed with side characters (played by Gunn's personal friends as always) & half-baked subplots, yet somehow still feels small. Nothing lingers. Scenes jump from quippy banter to melodrama to slapstick like it’s terrified of silence, terrified of letting a moment breathe.

The characters are rough sketched outlines, not sculpted. Clark smiles a lot, but there’s no weight to anything he does. Lois is reduced to soundbites, Lex barely registers as a threat & is clearly either misdirected or miscast.
Superman himself feels like a mascot more than a character. The film tells you he’s hopeful instead of showing you why he should be. It’s surface level forced charm designed to hit a four quadrant checkbox.

The action is forgettable & shot in a horrible wide lens throughout.
You never feel scale or consequence just blue tinted noise that looks like a Superbowl Car Ad.
Gunn clearly wanted Donner’s warmth, but without Donner’s patience or restraint. He wanted to ape some of Snyder’s grandeur but stripped it of all danger & weight. What you’re left with is something weightless desperate to be liked & worst of all desperate to be safe.

Say what you want about Man of Steel at least it felt like something. It had mythic ambition, It respected the idea of Superman as a figure larger than the frame
Donner for all the camp, understood awe "YOU WILL BELIEVE A MAN CAN FLY".

Gunn’s take? It’s a theme park version of Superman.

Is it the worst movie ever made? No, but it’s a nothing movie.
All smiles, no soul.
Worse than Donner because it lacks his sincerity,
Worse than Snyder because it lacks his conviction.
It’s just there & in many ways that's the biggest failure a movie can ever be....

>>212771978
>>212772044
>>212772392
Based.

>Being pulled from China before making 10Mil
OH NONONONO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>212771524 (OP)

Several reasons. Number one for me is that humanizing Superman is just wrong. Superman is an heroic ideal whose iconic value is sustained by the mysticism that surrounds the character. He is allowed to see himself as just a country bumpkin trying to do the right thing, that´s fine, but that´s private. For the rest of mortals he is the guide that leads humanity to progress, to the future. The one people can follow without reservations because they know his unwavering heart is always on the right path. That´s Superman.

So you see the whole "Lex was actually right to doubt him because there really was a secret agenda" thing is a big no no for me. There is no coming back from that. It´s like exposing how a magic trick works, once you know you know no matter how much you wish to convince yourself you don´t and want to still believe magic is real.

The movie is also unfocused. It´s always bad when they shove in several characters to try to scale things up as there is never time to properly introduce and develop them. Now, i know who Guy Gardner and Mr Terrific are and i guess i can understand why they were specifically chosen and how they work in favor of Gunn´s idea but since that idea is shit... I guess they couldn´t be given their own movies either because, let´s be real, nobody cares about those guys.

>>212771524 (OP)
If you ain't hating on this movie you do not care about Superman.

>>212771524 (OP)
>First act is one of the worst infodumps I've seen in recent memory. Once the story gets going, there's no breathing room to linger on the consequences of anything, so nothing it's particularly emotional or thrilling even when the stakes are high.
>Starting the Clois relationship with that interview was retarded, Clark acts like a manchild and gives us zero reason to care or root for the relationship, you don't watch them interact that much after the fight, so you never understand why the relationship is worth fighting for. If this wasn't based on pre-existing characters, I would assume the relationship was hamfisted into the script at the last minute.
>The "le hope" theme and "humanity good" reeks of fake corporative optimism instead of being earnest, like >>212772392 pointed out
Overall it's a 5/10, some jokes land, cast is stellar, but it's embarrassing this is currently being held as one of the best Superhero movies ever created. I bet in a year everyone will pretend they never liked it that much, once the Snyder-cult boogie man gets tiring. Right now everyone is desperate to pretend the movie is good because otherwise the DCU is DOA

>>212772858
I think humanizing Superman is a flawed idea because that's the whole point of Clark. I know we always come back to Snyder, but Snyder draws a clear separation between Clark and Superman as people. Clark is a professional, sober, but ultimately nice guy journalist. Superman is a symbol. People talk about how how Snyder's Superman and Clark are the same, and certainly Donner draw a FAR more overt distinction, but here, they're the same fucking person. Seriously, there is no difference between Clark and Superman. It blows my mind that Gunn thought this was a good idea. If you go back to BvS Clark talks very differently to Superman. Or more critically he talks about different things. When he puts that suit on... it's like the difference between King Arthur with his armor and King Arthur without his armor. The man, vs the myth. What I think has happened here is that Gunn has trivialized Superman and trivialized the difference between Clark and Superman. And that bothers me because it has numerous knock-on effects with the tone.

That scene where Lois interviews Superman is a huge problem for me because it highlights that there is no difference between them. In Donner and Snyder's version alike, Superman is a different person when he's alone with Lois, without his glasses on.

I’m not watching this crap and I don’t feel like discussing anything about it. You paid to see it and now you write a text wall of hate and complains? You are exactly where that pederast Gunn wants you. Good work, faggot.

The punk rock thing is really cheesy, that line of dialogue The Engineer has in the fortress of solitude is so fucking bad and I have no idea what Luthor was rambling on about after he admitted he was jealous of Superman

Other than that, pretty good movie.

>>212773016
there're plenty of moment where Superman lets the human Clark out in Snyderverse, particularly when he is at his lowest
>after killing Zod
>after failling to save US Congress
>forced to go and kill Batman

>>212773369
>I have no idea what Luthor was rambling on about after he admitted he was jealous of Superman
Yeah I didn't get that too, wtf was he on about? Was thinking I missed some of what he said.

>>212773454
My only guess is that it disgusts him that he gets compared to the greatest humans in history while he wants to be THE greatest human ever and now that's never going to happen because Superman exists.

>>212773515
Kek wtf did Gunn think about that for two seconds or something. It's child logic

Lex's motivations in the new Superman are very weak. It's like the movie is terrified of allowing Lex to have a point but also be crazy, so it just turns him into a seething "humans are weak and you remind us we're weak and that's why you have to die" incel.

The rant Lex makes in BvS on the rooftop is far more coherent and frankly far better written.
https://youtu.be/1DyD2jrWjFM?si=ytlF06VZqoHWvuad

But Lex's rant in BvS is inherently tied to the parallel between Superman and God, and God's relationship with man, and this is something Gunn seems frantic to avoid. There is no sense of religion, of reverence to his Superman. It feels secular, which is strange.

It's bad because it made me agree with those people that always go on about getting too caught up in the source material. I see what they mean now.

>>212771524 (OP)
It’s a terrible movie but fantastic HBO Max content. Gunn is going to kill the franchise out of his own unilateral ineptitude working on stupid shit. The DCU was a retarded idea. Out of this little thing I’m only interested in seeing JL international. No Batman, no WW, no Flash. Just outliers like Plastic Man, embrace the full whimsicality. Given the visuals and cast the budget should’ve been nowhere near 225m.

>>212773594
Lex in this movie is more of a caricature than a character. Hoult did what he could given the material. The cast was satisfactory all around but the script was painfully amateur.

>>212772858
Simply put, it's something Gunn put together as a first, first draft over a weekend and since WB/DC were so desperate that they gave him, of all people, an entire studio to run, he knew he could turn in whatever garbage he made up on the fly and they would accept it. He wanted to get the movie out before any unintended circumstances forced him out of his role. He's already on shaky ground as Zazlav's overpraise in the media is always a sign of him wanting to chop heads off. Gunn knows he's fucked that the movie didn't take off globally.
>>212773594
The dialogue in BvS was so good. You could tell it was from an Oscar-winning writer. It's so succinct, almost lyrical and paints a vivid image with just words. Also, Eisenberg delivered them perfectly. All in all, if you cut out WB's meddling, BvS becomes a great film, on par with MoS and TDK trilogy.

>>212774141
BvS had much more problems with the characters other than WB's bullshit
but still, i like the way Snyder delivered it

>>212773815
Indeed. There's a reason why the X-Men never had their suits and there's a reason why Nolan's Batman was such a phenomenon. Because they strictly adhered to the cinematic medium and left the childish, obnoxious crap to the comics and cartoons. Robin will never feature in a Batman movie for that reason. The entire concept of that character is cinematic kryptonite.

Bidenfags vote against their own economic interests

>F1 is back in IMAX.

Is Superman not moving tickets?

>>212774176
From what I know, the movie was going to have very, very minimal JL setup which wouldn't have detracted from the plot, WW had a much smaller role that was just setup for JL, Superman wouldn't have died and the guy in the wheelchair would've been turned into Metallo and been the final villain Batman/Superman fight against and that was it. It was a much more tight film before WB/DC fucked everything up. You could say that the very notion of it being a BvS film was stupid and it should've been a straight-up MoS sequel and I concur on that.

Also, as much as I appreciate Snyder as a creative, his 5-movie plan was never a plan from the beginning. He made it up as he went along. I mean, for fuck's sake, MoS was a Nolan-produced movie and his idea that Snyder was merely hired to direct and sheperd. He kind of made up shit on the spot because WB wanted a cinematic universe and the storyline to go with it. I would've liked to have seen it realized but that's just the truth.

>>212774223
This is only because of its huge success in Europe which should come as no surprise given its subject matter is about a European sport. That's why Superman/Jurassic/F4 are failing in Europe cause this movie is much more topical and relatable to that audience.

>>212771524 (OP)
I hate that they just remix the john williams theme, make up your own theme cowards.
Also the dialogue about kindness is punk rock, with the song playing at the end is snyder level lack of subtle.
Not enough clark kent
Way too many scenes played off jokingly instead of earnest
I hate how much justice gang gets screentime.

>>212772392
Unfathomably based

>>212774262
Corenswet has no distinct identity. He's a Frankestein's Monster out of popular Superman adaptations and just Superman but Invincible. He's Invincible. That's his character. He's not Superman. Visually, he's a pastiche but as a character, he has no resemblance to Superman cause Gunn doesn't care about Superman as he is as much as he cares about what he can TURN him into.

>>212772392
yeah every critics gush about how they feel "hopeful and joy" walking out of the theater. No shit, it's a feel good movie. That's like watching an apple commercial and say "wow that makes me feel happy about product"

>>212771524 (OP)
I liked it.
What did you want, another origin story, another brooding dark Superman, 50 year old Henry Cavill to come back?

Ok, can why of you movie types tell me, WHY is this movie shot on wide lens?? Is it for "immersion" and "3D effect"? Just sincerely clueless here

>>212774344
>hurr extremism durr

>>212771524 (OP)
>hyper verbose VIRAL MARKETING THREAD
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>>212771524 (OP)
4 Chan dot org /GMS/

>>212773815
This is my major problem with the movie. It works as a piece of a bigger brand, but it sucks at movie storytelling. I don't mind the tone of the movie (even if the jokes of the first act are utter cringe), but I hate that the movie does the bare minimum with characterization and character development because it expects you to fill in the blanks with comic book lore, instead of making me care about THIS iteration of Superman. The reason why something like Nolan's or Raimi's trilogy endured the test of time is because they had something to say by themselves and works as a stand-alone narratives. Superman does the complete opposite and focuses on being fanservice for comic book fans, hurting the narrative in the process.

>>212774666
It's a piece of fluff made in a little under two years and written over, at best, a weekend. Nothing else could possibly fit the definiton of "slop" than this.

>>212774666
I agree, if the DCU takes off this is gonna be looked back on as the weakest movie in the universe because so much of feels like an advertisement for what's to come in the future and I couldn't blame anyone if they forgot the Superman part of the movie is about him getting his shit kicked in for the first time in his life and having to grow up and learn from it.

>>212771524 (OP)
I thought the final shot where Superman was looking at videos of his parents could've been great but it overstayed its welcome. Like the constantly rotating camera coupled with the song made it feel like a superbowl ad for a VR headset or something

The entire cosmic river scene with the baby was completely unnecessary. It felt like watching the Minecraft movie.

>>212771524 (OP)
It was just painfully okay, like everything Gunn does. The jokes never landed even once. Every dialogue left me asking "why?" Not because it's campy, Raimi did campy just fine because it was played straight. Even other MCUshit is better if only because it plays it all straight. This shit was bad because it feels like it's trying to lampshade itself the entire time. Nobody acted well, except sometimes Hoult, but I blame the script and direction more than the actors. The best moment of the film involved his reaction to thinking he finally won. Clark sucked. Kents were non-entities. Too much focus on the other heroes, I swear Terrific got as much screentime as Superman himself. I don't mind him getting beat up that much, but he was basically a wet fart. He doesn't do anything super except save a squirrel, and ask the people whose building got torched if they were okay. If they wanted a super feat, maybe he should've used his ice breath to stop the flames, or something, actively saving them instead of asking afterward. So much of the film felt unnecessary and then it was over.

I won't even go into the Boravia subplot, it was just fucking awful. The movie is supposed to be about Kal El finding himself and he does it by monologuing to Lex at the end, in the corniest way possible. Not comic book corny, the dialogue and delivery were straight garbage. It felt like a YouTube fan film. This shit is a multimillion dollar production, but it comes across as amateur all around. The fisheye lens shit is fucking terrible and makes everyone look objectively stupid, it's not cool or unique. The end concept is okay, Superman turning on his real parents...but it's like 20 seconds of "identity crisis solved" in a neat little bow when we don't actually feel that struggle in the film at all.

Lois is a lecturing harpy bitch. The Justice Gang is poorly cast. Banging out the Donner theme when the onscreen feats are mid is lame.

5/10 at best.

It screams fast-food entertainment rather than movie. But it is competent fast-food like Five-Guys.

>>212776208
>have to invent names for fictional countries
>go with Jarhanpur
Man, Gunn is such an irredeemable piece of shit, even with those tweets aside..

>>212771524 (OP)
The problem is that it’s middle of the road hack garbage that doesn’t elevate the medium or the character whatsoever. The entire hype and marketing around this film is that it’s not Snydercrap. But on its own it’s no different from Superman 4 or Batman & Robin. How long is Gunn going to run on whimsical animal, daddy issues, character banter in his scripts? The DCU will collapse in 2 years tops.

>>212776445
Boravia and Jarhanpur are both from the comics, actually. But the conflict was stupid and it makes no sense for those 2 countries to be warring when they should basically be nowhere near each other. Boravia is in the Alps, canonically. Jarhanpur doesn't have a real world equivalent specified in the comics, iirc.