I sincerely doubt that James Gunn is ever allowed to use Batman in any of his DCU projects beyond mentions and baiting silhouettes like how the CW used to do. The Batman franchise is the only globally bankable franchise DC/WB have and they won't sully it by infusing it into the DCU which has only one mildly successful movie (which tanked overseas) and one cartoon that no one watched. Matt Reeves has full autonomy on Batman and it's making James Gunn seethe.

>>212774648 (OP)
Then why are you posting fancast picture

The Batman was a failure. You're dumb.

>>212774702
Wrong. It was a great financial success given the time it was released in and did great numbers overseas which matters more in the grand scheme of things. It also produced a critically acclaimed HBO show which was nominated for a plethora of Emmys yesterday.

Batman will be an overemotional faggot and the movie will focus on Robin instead and make Batman listen to indie rock in secret as a gag.

>>212774723
It's amazing how people flip-flop from "international box office doesn't matter, only domestic" to "domestic doesn't matter, it's international that counts."

>>212775254
Nobody ever said the first. Only Zazlav in his full on PR cope mode said so. Global box office, especially for superhero movies, is critical to a franchise's viability. Right now, the DCU is not viable and they're only pushing through because they've already shot Supergirl and Lanterns are deep in sunk cost fallacy. They're losing money but they'd lose even more money if they disbanded DC Studios and fired Gunn.

>>212774648 (OP)
You're delusional if you think Gunn doesn't have full control and he's letting Reeves do his own thing because it doesn't matter if it's an elseworld.

>>212774648 (OP)
I think Reeves has a pretty good handle on Batman despite not really liking The Batman. Keep Gunn the fuck away.

>>212775296
You're the delusional and ignorant one. Gunn right now is as far away from Batman as the showrunners on those old CW shows. He can't use him, show him or do anything with him right now because of Reeves and his movies. He's locked out of DC's most prized asset and is pissed about it.

>>212774648 (OP)
>He's pushing this headcanon. Again, after everyone in yesterday's thread laughed him out
Anon, its okay to be mad about whatever It is Gunn is going to do with Batman but this is getting silly

>>212775441
CW wasn't even allowed to say the names Batman or Bruce Wayne in the Arrowverse shows until WB relented in season 6 of Arrow

Just because Superman doesn't immediately set up Batman or have a Bruce Wayne cameo isn't indicative of shit

>>212775296
>You're delusional if you think Gunn doesn't have full control
Nigger you are clearly underage
WB have always and likely will always be massive spergs when it comes to the Batman IP not to mention murky shit when it comes to live action TV right

Why do you think The Batman wasn't in the Penguin even once in the season?
Why did WB have retarded rules for Batman on TV for over 20 years meaning you couldn't show him or Bruce Wayne in live action on screen at all?

>>212775761
They did mention Batman in the CW shows near the end and even showed his suit but the man himself would never be allowed to appear. Simply put, because he's the biggest and most prestige character in the entire comic book medium. But then again, they allowed an old fart version of him on Titans but that was because it was a strictly DC-made show and he never wore the suit.
>>212775835
That also extended to the Joker. Remember the crazy stupid storyline with Jerome Valeska on Gotham?

>>212775835
>The Batman wasn't in the Penguin even once in the season?
Because Penguin takes place right after The Batman and Bruce is prioritized with the fallout of that? Or how about the fact that advertising Batman in Penguin would undermine the show entirely and people wouldn't tune in unless its Batman's episode

>>212776073
>Uhhh, actually Batman didn't appear because of this fictional story reason, you idiot.
Please end your life.

>>212775935
>near the end
Retard read what I posted because I mentioned that WB had finally relented at that point

>>212776107
>Actively disacknowledged the IRL reason too
You're either a dedicated shitposter or you're that disingenuous either way you're a nigger

>>212776107
You just wanted a pointless fanservice cameo and you're mad you didn't get it

Sometimes less is more

>>212776073
>and people wouldn't tune in unless its Batman's episode
This

>>212774648 (OP)
The new supergoyim slop made me realise that Gunn should never touch Batman.

>>212774648 (OP)
That's your opinion and how you feel, but if they can't use Bruce Wayne the alternative is either Batman Beyond or Bruce is missing/Dead and Batman is Dick Grayson

>>212774648 (OP)
i think the studio heads were waiting to see the performance of this superman movie before deciding the future of battinson. I think Gunn is seething about it because he doesn't know yet how much control he will have of the character.

>>212776234
You can't escape that, anyway. The last two seconds of the show with Batman's signal were the most talked about and the only thing people remember from it. You just can't get out of the shadow of a character like Batman. it's impossible.

>>212774648 (OP)
I don't like The Batman at all, and I've been ready for a comicbook batman since Nolan ended his realistic experiment.
Bring it on a dcu batman!

>>212775294
dont they get less than half the money from foreign ticket sales

Like I said in the last thread on this subject, have DCU Gotham City be different than Reeves Gotham City. Have DCU Gotham be a place where not only can grounded things like serial killers, terrorists, and crime bosses coexist with outlandish things like cyborgs, ancient cults, and mad scientists.

Batman is great when there's variety among the crimes he has to stop, the Arkham games did that best

There will not be 2 concurrent movie Batmans. Simple as. It's only a matter of who yields first and who's able to outmaneuver who. Right now, Gunn is praying to God that somehow Reeves gets hit by a fucking truck and he's able to get Batman to himself.

>>212776605
There was a failed Spider-Man universe running concurrently to the MCU Spidey flicks

It could be a Hulk situation where Batman has to be paired up with other characters hence why his film is called Brave and The Bold

>>212774723
>Wrong. It was a great financial success given the time it was released in
Retardanon, Covid was over for theaters, NWH had wrapped up it's 2 billies by January of that year, and once again WB couldn't even come in SECOND in the capeshit warz.

It was another disappoint, though not a disaster. Having a stale plot and a boring villain doomed it.

Time will tell I guess.

>>212776959
Superman's numbers are the most lukewarm imagineable. Not horrible but nowhere near good. It will only get worse from here. Problem is, Zazlav is too headstrong and won't admit defeat and he's poured too much money into the DCU as is. He'll continue it until a bomb (Supergirl) makes other execs force his hand and cut their losses. From then? Who the fuck knows. DC probably gets put on the backburner and WB only keeps Batman.

I wish The Batman wasn't an absolute turd.

I just want live action Injustice, as a miniseries

>>212774648 (OP)
Gunn's Slate should have been
>Superman (2025)
>Batman (2026)
>Wonder Woman (2026)
>The Flash (2027)
>Justice League (2028) - Introduce Green Lantern here, have initial JL line up be Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern & Flash
>Superman 2 (2028) introduce Supergirl for spinoff potential
>Batman 2 (2029)
>Nightwing (2029)
And so on, save Aquaman and Martian Manhunter for the Justice League sequel

>Batman Begins made 300 million worldwide
>The Dark Knight made over a billion

>>212777857
NOOOO you can't go allt he way on the DC cinematic universe idea, you have to have some half-assed slate where half is universe stuff and the other is unrelated Elseworlds you pass off as connected because you want the MCU money and cred but also want to get the Joker/Batreeves crowd too. Basically, James Gunn is a fucking stupid pedophile.

>>212777857
>save Aquaman and Martian Manhunter for the Justice League sequel
Manhunter sure but there's no way you make their introduction central plots without it coming across as retarded

>>212777857
He should've went all the way. Cuckold that he is, he didn't want to leave his friends and family without jobs cause god knows no one else will hire them cause they're fucking nobodies not worth a shit.

>>212776682
>failed Spider-Man universe
there you go.

>>212774648 (OP)
They want the dark and gritty gone. The Batman is next. They're already creating an air of negativity and controversy around previous films similar to MoS.

>>212778826
I really hate how Reeves/Nolan think that realism means everything should be borderline monochrome. The endless black and orange of The Batman was especially awful. A dark and gritty tone is fine, but at least make it look nice ffs.

>>212779613
it looked way better than nice, shut up Gunnfag