Why did he just stand there? Why didn't he use his x ray vision to see the bomb? How did he not hear the bomb ticking? Hes faster than a bullet and he couldn't even save one person?

>>212786350 (OP)
that's what his daddy taught him

>>212786350 (OP)
>mewing while people die around him
Jeets and beaners think this is good writing

Because Snyder is a hack with a faggy sounding voice

>>212786434
why jeets

>>212786350 (OP)
Idk if this bait but the chair is literally encased in lead. Do all these criticisms just come from not watching the movie?

>>212786350 (OP)
Because Snyderman doesn't care about saving people

>>212787266
superman defeated by lead
KWAB

>>212786350 (OP)
Thats was what Jaysus would have done!

>>212786350 (OP)
>Why did he just stand there?
They are incinerated
>Why didn't he use his x ray vision to see the bomb?
Lined with lead
>How did he not hear the bomb ticking
This isn’t a fucking cartoon bomb

>>212786350 (OP)
Because they're so feble oh my god...they're just...insignificant and weak...and they die so easily...god why am I so perfect and they're not? Batman...prison...rape...

>>212786434
sounds kinda based ngl

>>212786350 (OP)
Civilian deaths bounce off him like rain against an umbrella.

>>212786350 (OP)
>could hear Lois across the planet
>can't hear his mom being kidnapped
>can't hear the fucking bomb ticking right next to him

Super speed is impossible to write consistently, no one has ever successfully done it, you just have to forget about it sometimes.

>>212786350 (OP)
Namor looking hairstyle

Too busy thinking about snapping necks

>>212788112
based

>>212786434
This part gets me
The movie acts like a bomb kills everyone inside the blast radius 100%, so there's no reason for him to react afterward
In fact the vast majority of people inside a bombs effect area are going to be severely wounded and die in agonising fashion over the course of minutes to days... he should be a blur of motion moving people to hospital but he doesn't give a fuck lmao

>>212786350 (OP)
>AAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE SUPERMAN IM BURNING TO DEATH IM BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNING SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEE USE YOUR ICE BREATH AND STOP THE FIREEEEEEEEEE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>

>>212786350 (OP)
>Why didn't he use his x ray vision to see the bomb?
Because it was covered in lead. LEAD.

>>212786350 (OP)
>Why did he stand there?
Idk, Snyder wanted to make him very stoic and so he just has kind of muted sadness
>X-Ray Vision
In the Ultimate Edition it's explained the suitcase is lined with lead. How the fuck did Luthor know that Superman can't see through lead when that's never even been established as a weakness before now? Who the fuck knows. Same way he knows Batman is Bruce Wayne I guess.
>not hear bomb ticking
See above I guess
>can't save one person
he does help someone in the Ultimate Edition. Though, ZSJL established he as cold breath so I don't know why he didn't at least put out the fire.

>>212788306
This desu. Maybe try not being a weak human next time lmao.

>>212788309
>>212787978
how did luthor know he can't see through lead?

>>212788296
The blast evaporated pretty much everyone instantly, there was nothing to save.

>>212788358
Considering he figured out who Batman is and a bunch of other shit, it's safe to assume he did enough research on Superman to know what his blind spots are.

>>212788306
AH FUCK HELP WAIT SUPERMAN DON'T FLY OFF THE CEILING IS CAVING IN ON ME I DON'T WANT TO DIE AS A WAGES--AAACK

>>212788309
they turned my face into a Pickle, Superman! I'm Pickle Lois!

>>212788393
how would that even work? even MoS never established he couldn't see through lead.

>>212788406
Unironically why did Sneeder turn the protagonist of the movie into a walking 9/11 metaphor? There is no possible way to say that Bruce was in the wrong in BvS.

never again will superman be this kino, it's sad actually

>>212788505
autistic objectivism. Snyder's Superman is in doubt if Earth is even worth saving half the time than is only convinced in BvS because Lois is his world or some lame ass simp shit. Like if he wasn't getting mommy milkers he'd just say fuck it and let us all die

>>212788595
Can you blame him? His father told him it was better to let kids drown than to save them. Or that time his ghost told him about those horses who drowned. Jonathan Kent was mental. But jeets think this is brilliant kino.

if you have to break a thing to find out what it is, you have left the path of wisdom

--- James Gunndalf, probably

>>212786350 (OP)
The chair had lead. Also the whole purpose of this scene is to show how demoralised he has become at this point in the movie. The world is turning against him and Lex Luthor is trying to mentally and spiritually break him by killing hundreds of innocent people around him, people he was supposed to protect. This scene is one of the most human in the entire film because it shows that even a being as powerful as Superman can feel hopeless and in turmoil.

>>212788103
A lot of people are so focused on what they think Superman should be that they ignore what the neck-snapping scene was actually supposed to mean. The entire movie was set up telling how this alien is rejected at every moment of his life and feels like he doesn't belong, no matter how hard he tries to help people. Then, when he actually finds his own people, he is forced to choose between them or the humans, who have done nothing but push him around. Miraculously, he chooses to protect the humans, but at the cost of the Kryptonians' lives. With all the Kryptonians sucked to the Phantom Zone, Zodd is literally the last one of his kind, and yet again, Superman chooses to protect the humans.
The neck-snapping is jarring and it's easy for us to judge Kal based on our preconceptions of what Superman is supposed to be. But if you just take the scene at face value, solely in the context of the movie, you can see why this scene was tragic. Superman screaming, "DON'T DO THIS! STOP! STOP!!" is not a forceful command. He's pleading with Zodd to stop because the last thing Kal-el wants is to kill the only other Kryptonian. People criticize the scream at the end too for being over-dramatic, but if you look at it this way, that scream makes perfect sense. He had to kill the last of his kind for people who never loved him all because of what, morality? That's a tough pill to swallow even for someone who is bulletproof and can fly.

>>212788716
>chair had lead
>never previously been established that superman can't see through lead ( they even establish what Kryptonite is in this universe so don't tell me we should just know that )
>somehow Luthor knows about this before even the audience does
hack writing

>muh lead chair

OKAY SO WHY DIDN'T SUPERMAN FIND IT SUSPICIOUS THAT HE JUST COULDN'T SEE SOME RANDOM SPOT IN THE ROOM

>>212786350 (OP)
wait I'm only just now realizing this nigga has frost breath in this universe why didn't he at least put out the fire to see if anyone maybe made it

>>212788595
>>212788678
Honestly, why should Superman be obligated to save anybody? Answer that question. Just because he has powers? In a more tonally grounded Superman, why should he care? Doesn't Kal get to have a free life to live or is he our salvation slave?

It's pretty selfish to expect Superman to do a 100% no-hit pacifist speedrun during a huge fight. Why should he care? Why should Superman answer to the whims of lowly human beings?

>>212788505
Snyder is a massive pessimist. His Dawn of the Dead remake just has the entire cast insta die at the end.

>>212788931
Superman walks into a room and xrays every square inch to look for sexy lingerie

>>212789043
>anyone who survives the explosion freezes to death

>>212788824
Gunnjeets don't believe in race so they can't grasp the movie

>>212789067
because if he isn't a flying boyscout then he's instantly completely unrelateable. without constraints his power is meaningless. basic shit.

>>212789067
*slurps drink*
>SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A SPIT CURL
>SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE TRUNKS OR AN S ON HIS CAPE
>PA KENT DOESN'T HAVE TO NOT BE A SOCIOPATH
>SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE CHEMISTRY WITH LOIS LANE
>SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD HAIRLINE
>SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO SAVE PEOPLE
you are here
>SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO BE GOOD GUY

>>212788828
>>212788931
Well the counterpoint is why does everything have to be explained, just fill in the gaps. There are tons of things not explicitly shown or explained, but happen anyways.

When did Lex know their secret identities? Why does Lex have a secret powerpoint presentation on the justice league? What happened to Robin? What did the Kryptonian ship tell Lex? Why is that one pod in the Kryptonian ship open?

>>212789259
I wonder if snyder was secretly doing an Injustice adaptation

>>212789255
Him not wanting to save people and being overwhelmed by some people hating him, some fearing him, and some worshipping him, IS relatable. I cant relate to an inflallible goody-good who always has the perfect solution to any problem, thats not how life works. Life is complex and contradictory. One solution begets another problem, and so on.

>>212788296
>a bomb
Are you seriously trying to pretend you know what you’re talking about while clearly thinking all bombs are the same?

>>212786350 (OP)
Because he's a sociopath

>>212787061
For some reason snyder has a large indian fanbase.

>>212789067
Ok but then it would just be called Kal-El, or Clark. Superman is the heroic alter ego.

>>212789343
It should be explained if it’s a pivotal plot element to his plan of defeating Superman. Introducing a sudden weakness that’s never been established and not explaining how the fuck Luthor knows of it is retarded. And the writers clearly know this, which is why they establish what kryptonite is, how Luthor got it, and how Batman gets it, despite Kryptonite being a far more familiar weakness to the audience.

>>212788828
It’s logical, retard. Lead stopping his X-RAY vision isn’t a random lore choice. That’s just what lead does, block emanations. The smartest man in the world would realize that, now we know the dumbest man in the world does not.

>>212788432
He had Zod's body and was able to study Kryptonian biology

>>212786350 (OP)
It wasn't that a bomb went off, it's how much of a muted reaction he has, which is an issue carrying on from MoS where he has a cavalier non reaction to the aftermath of thousands dying in the destroyed Metropolis. He should be grief stricken and filled with rage, barely able to contain himself and using so much will to try and talk reason into Zod when he realises he's alive rather than giving him a weird puppy dog eyed look. And then he has an emotional breakdown when he does have to kill Zod all to rescue a family, which causes so much fucking dissonance. They made so many weird choices with MoS and BvS.

>>212788296
Even if the superduper Lex-made GrandPiss Killer 10000 killed everyone immediately his reaction is still like 'wtf', the sheer absense of shock and being horror-struck by what has happened. The move constantly goes back and forth between Clark being so human as Superman should be and being this weird apathetic cold alien god, with an occassional sprinkling in 90's edgy. It's so fucking weird that it fascinates me

>>212789703
You really, really, really missed the point of those movies, buddy.

>>212786350 (OP)
Were the criticisms of the Snyderverse really this ridiculous? Was it all just a ploy to poison the reception of these movies in pursuit of some vague idea of comic purity?

>>212789703
Yeah, just compare to that scene in the new movie where Lex Luthor killed that jeet in front of him

>>212788296
You understand that. The scene is in slow motion when it's on him. Right? That's maybe a millisecond real time

>>212789823
no the main criticisms are that the movies are boring as fuck, they reach for artistic heights they fall woefully short of and nobody cared about the characters because they’re all stoic depressed assholes. Cinemasins complaints are just more fun

>>212789918
>that the movies are boring as fuck
Boringness is subjective. Their greatest sin is making two Superman movies that were some of the most depressing shit put to film.

>>212788824
>Then, when he actually finds his own people, he is forced to choose between them or the humans, who have done nothing but push him around.
Kek, you make it sound like Superman actually had a hard choice choosing between humans and the genocidal fuckers that show him hellish nightmare imagery before attacking his mother.

>>212789962
yeah and most subjectively found them boring. it’s no surprise they fell off a cliff and had no legs. who the fuck would want to rewatch these dour movies which are 2 hour mediocre character studies that turn into action schlock at the end but autists on here?

>>212787266
Wouldnt that be like a massive red flag for superman? Wouldnt not being able to see through the only thing in the area not in itself be a major thing of concern that he would have learned all through his life? Thats like a SWAT team securing an area but they couldnt get access to one room because it was blocked but its fine because they couldnt get to it.

>>212786350 (OP)
The worst movies in the long history of capeshit.

>>212787266
It’s actually not established in the theatrical movie that the chair has lead. Only in the Ultimate Edition.

>>212790062
It probably just looked solid

>>212786350 (OP)
This "superman" is a joke of a hero, in man of steel Zod throws the lexcorp fuel truck and superman just let it explode the whole fucking building

>>212790145
best*

>>212789844
For such 'adult' movies they basically prioritised spectacle action without fully considering the consequences.
>Superman literally tackles Zod in anger and takes him away from farmland and into Smallville. Smallville becoming a warzone is because of Clark. The movie never has Clark feel any remorse over this, noboy giving him any shit, none of him actually feel the weight of fucking up and how he has so much to learn
>his total nonreaction to what is 9/11 on steroids. Mass destruction and thousands dead and he's so cavalier when at ground zero and proceeds to give Zod, the architect, of this mass murder and destruction this weird puppy dog look when he realises he's still present on Earth
>absense of any shock and horror at the Congress explosion scene
They made the absolute worst of these setpieces by ignoring what consequences they should have on Superman as a character (causing the Smallville fight) or accidently making him look like a unlikeable freak with his nonreactions to horrible scenes of mass death and destruction.

>>212790209
Im so fucking tired of hearing this criticism like its valid. Its a battle between two super powered aliens, people die, get over it. Pussy.

>>212790209
>Snydersimps will give people shit for being instinctively weirded out by a guy striking a sad puppy dog model face when everyone around him violently dies in an explosion, never mind the fact that this is meant to be Superman of all characters

>>212790280
Post like these make me think snyder fans here are mostly shitposters because of the comical levels of stupidity on display. The point I made was clearly taking issue with Superman's reactions, or lack thereof, to scenes of mass death, not the fact the filmmakers chose to have mass death occurr in the movies as part of setpieces and plotpoints.

>>212790280
Clark was raised in Kansas, retard. isn't he supposed to care about humans??

>>212788320
Here's the thing about snyder films, he respects the integrity and intelligence of his audience. That's why there's no scene of Superman x raying batman to see that he is Bruce Wayne, or Lex Luthor, the smartest man in the DC universe, knows their identities. I dont think that's a far stretched.

>>212788931
I dont think he would have any suspicion to be x raying the room anon. I dont think superman is flying into every room x raying the place. Let alone, a place that is secured like a court house

>>212790368
>comical levels of stupidity on display.
Anon that all checks out when you consider that they are often thirdworlders from South America and South Asia

>>212790209
>For such 'adult' movies they basically prioritised spectacle action without fully considering the consequences
Man of Steel was a product of the same trend in Hollywood as something like Star Trek: Discovery or Fant4stic. You had people who thought comics books and science fiction were lame, and that they needed more swearing, more blood, more sex, and MORE DEATHS AND TRAGEDY. Of course, this is only "more adult" to millennials with arrested development syndrome who never grew out of their high school edginess. You had entire generation of writers who felt guilty for enjoying Superman and Star Wars and Star Trek as grown ass adults, they were upset that these properties didn't grow up with them, and decided to make these properties "more adult."
Of course, what Superman 2025 has to say is infinitely more adult than the pseudointellectual shit in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, but manchildren are now throwing tantrums because the silly flying dog is too silly and childish.

>>212788162
Not all bombs tick you fucking moron. This isn't Looney Tunes.

>>212790381
>respects the intelligence of his audience
>"THEY'RE GOING TO KILL MARTHA"
>dramatic flashback to Bruce visiting his parent's grave, highlighting MARTHA WAYNE, at the gravestone and her getting shot in the alley
yeah I really wouldn't have known why Batman was freaking out otherwise. not like they had MARTHA all over the movie.

>>212790554
>Of course, what Superman 2025 has to say is infinitely more adult than the pseudointellectual shit in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman
Lol please elaborate on this, I could use a good laugh today.

>>212790554
Yeah fucking right, Gunn is the one who is a childish retard. Snyder and Terrio tried to elevate the material, not make it egregiously more "adult". Yes, the material needed to be elevated by infusing it with symbolism and literary and cinematic allegories.

>>212790379
Most people in real life don't care about other humans that aren't their immediate family or friends.

>>212786350 (OP)
Why didn't he just read the script and find out what luthor was planning?

>>212790554
Good post. I also notice what I can only call autism with these types, like kvetching over Zod not being as popular Hoult Lex because all the ideas and intent behind him as if execution of a character, the actor performance, etc. aren't crucial variables in how well a character lands with audiences. On paper intent doesn't count for much if the execution is so uncompelling. By their line of reasoning, some alternative world version of The Silence of the Lambs with a Lecter with a more complex backstory, motives, and thematic ideas at work, etc. but played by an actor without an iota of Hopkins' magnetism and the excellent back and forths with Starling being butchered would beats out the real TSotL portrayal of Lecter because of the on paper intent

>>212790864
even the script isn't quite sure of that

>>212790368
Haha what is Superman supposed to do?
>BOO HOO HOO WAHHHHHHH ALL THESE PEOPLE I DONT KNOW PERSONALLY DIED WAHHHH BOO HOO HOO

>>212790898
>is superman supposed to be viscerally upset at the loss of innocent life around him
yes

>>212790898
Reads like bait.

>>212790791
>elevate the material
That's your problem. The material doesn't need "elevating." And certainly not the "let's turn the whimsical boyscout hero into a violent pompous asshole" kind of "elevating"

>>212789149
James Gunn wrote that movie lmao

>>212786350 (OP)
because for chinks and pajeets is normal seeing people die lol.

>>212790898
>those new yorkers that cried over 9/11 or were very visibly devastated despite not knowing anyone sure were a bunch of fucking whiney faggots

>>212790941
I really don't get people like you. Why not just stick to the cartoons if all you want is mindless slop made for children?

>>212791008
desu I really don't get people who want a mature and dark Superman. it's like asking for an edgy Mickey Mouse adaption or some shit.

>>212791008
>Why not just stick to the cartoons if all you want is mindless slop made for children?
As opposed to mindless slop made for adults?

>>212791008
>all you want is mindless slop made for children
Iike man of steel but for man children who masturbate at destruction like snyder

>>212790930
>>212790976
I know that you low test soibois may not understand this, but people dont cry everytime something bad happens. Sometimes they just stand there, feeling sad inside without showing it. Maybe Superman feels a weird mixture of sadness, anger, fear, and helpelessness.

>>212791114
yeah maybe this would hit better if cavill was a good enough actor to pull it off but he's not so instead Supes just comes off like an emotionally stunted autist.

>>212791057
>>212791104
Dont watch the movie then, its clearly not for you. maybe some teen titans and lucky charms cereal would be more your vibe.

>>212791057
>mature and dark Superman
The issue is how much they fucked Superman the individual. Putting him into a world where he is initially regarded with so much fear and paranoia that even Batman gets swept up in 'he is an enemy' camp is a good idea but it falls flat on its fucking face when the man at the centre of all of this is an overly laconic emotionally inconsistent weirdo fuck. The ideas are there for an interesting and le adult interpretation of Superman where he isn't suddenly welcomed with open arms and saving kitties but fuck me, make Superman himself have some consistency with what mainline Superman has been for decades upon decades prior. For example, like I harp on about, not reacting to horrible scenes of death and destruction like a sociopath

>>212791114
I actually proposed rage mixed in with sadness in earlier posts - sheer rage at what the remnants of his people did. As for his sad puppy dog model face when he's in the middle of an explosion that kills everyone around him right there and then, his reaction to that was terrible. Makes him look like a sociopath freak slightly annoyed by what has happened.

>>212791171
You are the one who is autistic. Most men are STOIC, they suppress their emotions, bottle them up inside, especially the SUPERman. It's right there in his name. He's a man, not the Supersissy/Supertard seen in Gunn's version.

>>212786350 (OP)
>Why did he just stand there?
Because time slowed down as it happened. It's in Clark's point of view. Here's a scene from Smallville to illustrate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKSXoFKCTBQ

>>212791057
>>212791104
>>212791110
Damn guess I struck a nerve. It's ok if you want to watch live action cartoons forever and never want to be challenged by the media you consume, but just say that next time.

>>212791114
Yeah bro, only soi boi fags would have a reaction stronger than this >>212786350 (OP) to everyone around them suddenly dying fiery deaths

>>212786350 (OP)
Hack Snyder

>>212791175
i mean yeah I haven't rewatched it since OW and nobody else did either given it dropped off like 70% after it came out
>more your vibe
anon it's kind of pathetic to be acting condescending about a capeshit movie. is a movie titled "Batman versus Superman" that ends in a fight with a CGI giant monster really your bar for mature art?

>>212791301
Yes.

>>212791266
if time was slowing down as it happened couldn't he have just stopped it with his freeze breath, or saved some people

>>212791261
>being a stoic man in control of his emotions means appearing utterly unphased when at the epicentres of mass death and destruction
>including SUPERMAN, the kitting-in-tree saving guy that had a spin off comic in the form of Jimmy Olsen in order to better faciliate him being a friendly approachable role model for the youth

>>212791370
>couldn't he have just stopped it with his freeze breath, or saved some people
He probably did take out the fire. The next scene after he saved people.

>>212791292
Nope, no you lost. If snyder his edgy destruction boner movie then Superman was the wrong character.

>>212791481
Holy ESL. I thought Snyder fans were the jeets?

>>212791450
Yeah all these criticisms really do fall flat huh

>>212791450
>doesn't offer to help further by taking anyone to the hospital
>then just stands there like an autist and fucks off
lmao

>>212791515
Tbf that's not a scene from the theatrical cut. It's from the Ultimate Edition. Same with it being explained the wheelchair is lined with lead.

>>212791512
No friend no family

>>212791515
They always have since day 1 with MoS. People weren't used to their cape movies actually having stakes and consequences, so they got ass blasted that the movie wasn't just cotton candy disposable trash and dared to make them the slightest bit uncomfortable by showing what it would actually be like if two God-like beings were fighting each other in the middle of a major city.

>>212791575
I haven't watched the theatrical since it released in theaters. I barely rewatched the whedon cut of JL since release and I cannot believe how bad that is. It really does make me believe it was sabotage kek

>>212791575
>Same with it being explained the wheelchair is lined with lead
Plus Lex would have already known about Clark's super hearing so would have made the bomb silent.

Batman v Superman is dogshit, yes, but it’s still more of a movie than MCU films are because it has actual ideas and effort that people still talk about to this day. There will never be a thread about the Ant-Man trilogy

>>212791591
Uh oh, the jeet is malfunctioning!

>>212791607
The destruction wasn't that bad, it was Superman lack of reaction that killed these movies. He loves humans

>>212791631
The Ultimate Cut is like 3 hrs, so I don't really blame the studio for mandating it be cut down. The movie probably would have done even worse because it would have been even longer, so even less people would rewatch it, and it would have less screenings due to time and the Ultimate Cut doesn't really improve people's issues with the movie that much. Maybe some of the scenes like
>>212791450
could've been added still but like
>>212791540
pointed out. Superman still just comes off like a weird creep who barely helps and then awkwardly flies off, like the autist at the party who stands in the corner the whole time, drinks once and then leaves early, so it doesn't really solve the issue.

>>212790554
>what Superman 2025 has to say is infinitely more adult
What does the movie have to say? It has absolutely no substance whatsoever aside from “be a heckin nice person” that is directly told to the audience verbatim. You call that for adults? Superman 2025 is intentionally supposed to resemble a Saturday morning cartoon

>>212791705
>He loves humans
Why? I don't love humans and I am one

>>212791768
Whoa now... even Saturday morning cartoons are written better than Gunn's Superman. Haha

>>212791607
>consequences
>cotton candy disposable trash
Ah so basically the entire Smallville battle that didn't at all deal with the fact Clark himself caused the fight to take place there. Because if that action scene wasn't disposable and had consequences it would actually factor into Clark's character, like fucking remorse and guilt and further alienating the military from him.
> the slightest bit uncomfortable by showing what it would actually be like if two God-like beings were fighting each other in the middle of a major city. Come to think of it, the entire happy go lucky ending at the Daily Planet also fits this - so happy and normal after a fucking alien attack causing 9/11 x happened. You'd never know the city is a traumatised scarred one with that ending because they wanted spectacle without intelligently dealing with the consequences of what they depicted.
The discomfort is over Superman himself behaving like a cavalier sociopath - the total absense of a reaction seeing what the remains of his people did to Metropolis, being utterly coldly heedless of the destruction caused vs. it still happening despite his efforts to do otherwise but he's still powerless to stop it because Zod is coming after him and doesn't know his own strength (oh look a workaround that is still muh dark and circumvents your 'u want kiddie shit' bs reply whilst preserving Superman as being a man consumed by his compassion and prioritising of life but still failing), etc. etc.

>>212791827
Eh sorry fucked up the greentext stuff in my post.

>>212791705
>He loves humans
Do you really want it spelled out for you like in Superman 2?
https://youtu.be/PLbXLG2XkMA?si=hikSDYVFsKzMBPR3&t=5

>>212791768
Additionally, to dissect Gunn's hollow-ness, how does being "nice" solve any problems when people, monsters, and other entities are constantly aggro to you?

>>212791818
You are not a God-like alien raised by your adoptive parents with unconditional love

Moments like this are what killed Superman for the masses for about a decade. Superman '25 is just barely repairing this

>>212791865
Using Metropolis as an example, that could have been communicated by acting. He is horrorified what he sees, devastated etc. but also angry as fuck and when he realises Zod got left behind on Earth, you can tell he is using all his willpower to actually contain his fury and attempts to speak to Zod before he's attacked by the villain. Instead it's a nonreaction, he and Lois share a joke after a kiss, and he gives the genocidal madman that is clearly about to lose his shit a weird puppy dog look the entire time during his monologue lol

>>212791705
I mean the entirety of BvS is pretty much about him dealing with the weight and consequences of being Superman. The entire scene with his Dad on top of the mountain is directly about this, That even when you're trying to do something good and heroic, there can still be unintentional casualties that occur. He's clearly shown to be haunted by it.

>While I ate my hero cake, their horses were drowning. I used to hear them wailing in my sleep.
>Did the nightmares ever stop?

https://youtu.be/hXsqsZ7xbjM?si=bN_lKps6aUReNoWc&t=29

>>212791911
>Superman '25 is just barely repairing this
I would say it is further destroying Superman. He is way too weak and emotional in that film.

>>212786350 (OP)
>Cavill cant act
>Sneeder doesnt know or care that character of Superman is a first responder in essence
I honestly cannot believe WB gave DC property to this fucking hack. He damaged the brand so bad that 10 years later people are barely restoring the image of Superman.

>>212791865
I wanted Superman to react to the destruction, how can anyone tell who is the good guy between him and zod
>>212791911
Save Martha!! was the final nail in the coffin

>>212792021
You'd be wrong, then, because Superman opinion is at an all time high with the public right now.

>>212792021
>He is way too weak and emotional in that film.
No one cares about your "muh emotionless ubergod" shit, jeet.

>>212791827
It was literally his first time in a fight as Superman and he clearly lost his cool because they were threatening his Mom. We're also not shown any civilian casualties in the smallville battle, just some property damage.

this scene is dumb yes. He could blow out the flames and evacuate the area. Instead he just broods like an model.

>>212792085
>because Superman opinion is at an all time high with the public right now.
With shills. Yes.

I think of all shitty MoS criticisms
>erm actually Superman is SUPPOSED to be like this
is for me the dumbest and most indicative that the poster is a braindead retard

>>212787266
how would anyone know he has that weakness how would he know he has that weakness. kek

>>212792021
the most common complaint amongst people is "Superman is boring because he's OP" so yes showing that he can be injured and lose fights (like he does all the fucking time in his comics, he's borderline worf tier at this point due to the amount of times he gets his ass beat whenever a new threat shows up to hype them up) is a good thing

>>212792095
Why does Superman being a God make reddit atheists so uncomfortable? Do you not know where the name "Kal-EL" comes from?

>>212792106
>It was literally his first time in a fight as Superman and he clearly lost his cool because they were threatening his Mom
No shit, fucker.
>We're also not shown any civilian casualties in the smallville battle, just some property damage.
Motherfucker, he brought the fight into the town and put lives in considerable danger, he should feel remorse and guilt and deserves to have his ass chewed out for being so reckless. But the movie doesn't want to deal with any of those appropriate consequences because it's an empty spectacle setpiece.

>>212792113
No, with the general public. It has the highest RT audience score of any Superman movie since Snyder, and even a higher score than some of the Reeves ones.

>>212786350 (OP)

>>212792191
They're just manchildren that want the cartoons they watched as kids to be regurgitated in live action. Spiritually and emotionally stunted.

Where did
>Superman is supposed to be le stoic alpha male
come from? Reeve's Superman was pretty reserved but even he flipped his shit and freaked out when Zod started threatening civilians. I don't really mind alternate takes, though the movie seems to want to imply that Superman actually is a good boy who cares about people but doesn't understand he comes off more like Dr. Manhattan, as if he's doing it out of obligation or something.

>>212791996
Ah the autist playbook of on paper ideas/intent - fucker, the actual execution of those scenes are still terrible unless they intended to make Superman of all characters appear like a sociopath. Yapping on about bad dreams in a sequel movie doesn't change how terrible his nonreaction to something like Metropolis was in MoS, or the courtroom scene in BvS.

>>212788162
>>can't hear the fucking bomb ticking right next to him
common knowledge in 1999

>>212792216
What, so you just want them fighting in an empty field? This mindset is how we wind up with shit like The Flash and the last two Avengers movies. Just pure slop with no weight or stakes.

>>212792191
>yes showing that he can be injured and lose fights
That's not the problem. Why does it take so long for Clark to heal? Why doesn't he fly up to the upper atmosphere or in space to heal with the Sun's rays? Going all the way back to the fortress is stupid.

>>212792123
>Remove the retarded "stop my invincible son" scene
>Remove the "KRYPTON HAD ITS CHANCE" shit so that Superman wont be repsonsible for his own peoples extinction
>At the final battle, have Cavill react to all the destruction around him and show him try to save a civilian while battling Zod.
>Zod kills that civilian Supes was trying to save to establish the only way to stop Zod is to kill him
>Remove the retarded kiss between Lois&Clark in the middle of the destruction
There MoS would be a 10/10 movie with this.

>>212790062
uh it's normal for wheelchairs to be laced in lead don't you know!
just to make sure it's heavier than it needs to be but also very malleable

>>212792332
>Zod or one of his goons, that it should go without saying is are a pack of cunts, bring the fight into Smallville themselves and force Superman to follow them there
Are you seriously telling me this type of workaround eluded you?

>>212792361
because if he healed instantly and sustained no damage it would also be boring as there'd be no tension.
>why doesn't he flew up and heal from the sun's rays
it doesn't look like he's all that capable of flight in that scene Anon.

>>212792308
>the actual execution of those scenes are still terrible unless they intended to make Superman of all characters appear like a sociopath
Only to legit autists who need everything spelled out for them and to have the characters constantly verbalizing what they're feeling.

>>212792332
>>212792410
Oh that was sneaky, moving the goalposts. The core issue remains that for all of Snyder getting glazed as being so adult, they failed to deal with the actual consequences of the Smallville fight (as an example) that Superman is the architect of.

>>212792363
>show him try to save a civilian while battling Zod.
>Zod kills that civilian Supes was trying to save to establish the only way to stop Zod is to kill him
But this is almost exactly what happens with the asian family right before he snaps Zod's neck.

>>212792424
>it doesn't look like he's all that capable of flight in that scene Anon.
Why did he fly all the way to the fortress then? Enough energy for that but not to fly up to space?

>>212792410
I just don't care how they ended up there in the first place because it's a super autistic nitpick.

>>212792441
I reiterate: >>212791983. Ironically though, Superman's response to the courtroom explosion is how a peak autist with superpowers would react to such a thing

>>212792200
Kal-El is a Moses allegory you retarded jeet.

>>212792458
>the actual consequences of the Smallville fight
Which are what

>>212792480
>why did he fly all the way back
he clearly crash landed in the opening scene, so if he wasn't even capable of flying all the way back I kind of doubt he was capable of flying into the upper atmosphere or escaping Earth's gravity to get to space

>>212792499
>snyder is a gigachad who cares about consequences in his movies, none of this kiddie shit
>that's an autistic nitpick anon
Pick one, faggot.

>>212791515
thats from the ultimate cut. kek

>>212792522
The consequences for Superman should be feeling a heavy amount of remorse/guilt for endangering so many lives through his reckless actions and need to better understand his powers and surroundings, quite obviously. The movie does nothing to address that that town becoming a warzone was Superman's fault lol

Better question: imagine how successful this Superman would be if the Snyder Superman movies were actually good. Like, imagine if people came into this new Superman movie expecting to see a good Superman movie and weren't actively avoiding it because they expect to see a Snyder Superman movie where he acts like a turbo autist and has weird conversations all the time.

I bet this Superman would be on the way to 3 billy if that were the case

>>212792363
>only way to stop Zod is to kill him
still think snapping Zod's neck was a lame way to end the fight...he's a god damn 'superman' too. and yet superman can just snap his neck? even if that's so..why didn't you try that earlier?

>>212792293
>Superman is supposed to be le stoic alpha male come from?
From Man of Steel (2013) snyder wanted an edgy and silent superman. SUPERMAN of all characters lol

>>212791660
Kek I was quoting the jeet from the new Superman. He says that before getting shot in the head

>>212792527
>he clearly crash landed in the opening scene
After depleting what little energy he had left to fly all the way to the damn fortress! He was definitely capable of flying at least to the upper atmosphere. Unbelievable...

>>212792508
Kal in Hebrew means "light", and El obviously means "God". Light of God. Jesus is the light of the world. That's why Superman is a solar deity just like Horus and Apollo. No wonder these movies filter you midwits so hard.

how exactly is this movie so expensive? It looks worse than the original 70s movie.

>>212792585
He hates everyone in that bumfuck town for treating him like an outcast when he was growing up. I bet he brought Zod there on purpose and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

>>212792544
We're talking about the smallville fight. There were no civilian casualties in the smallville fight. Did you want Superman to cry over some property damage?

>>212792604
This honestly is the worst part of the fight to me. They fight for like 20 minutes, and neither of them sustain any damage whatsoever. You could take a picture of them at the end of the fight vs. the start and they'd look identical. No cuts, scratches, bruises, etc.

But then Superman can just instakill Zod in one move when the plot deems the fight is over now? Could he do that the whole time? Was he just holding back and letting the city be reduced to rubble around him?

>>212792478
I personally dont mind the neck snap but most people rightfully pointed out that if Supes was strong enough to snap his neck, he would be able to gauge his eyes out or something else. Movie needs to be more clear with the general audience.

But the point is, show Clark try to save people and not just hunt down Zod while committing 1000 9/11's.

>>212792612
Oh damn, I wouldn't know. Couldn't pay me to watch that slop. I do think Gunn probably did that intentionally though which is kinda funny ngl.

>>212792062
Nope. "Martha" was the existential lynchpin, the literary and mythological crossroads that united Bats and Supes together.

>>212792639
>Character created by 2 jew immigrants
>Baby sent away by his parents in an ark to escape certain doom
You are a lexmonkey.

TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK

>>212792699
>No cuts, scratches, bruises, etc.
Because they healed during the fight. Admittedly smallville is better at showing this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0UDXBbzRf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHAlPwOzmvo

>>212788358
Because lead blocks xrays in real life you fucking retard

>>212789681
Where is this explained in the movie?

>>212792908
I would accept that except it doesn't even look like they damage each other to begin with. It's not like we see Zod's arm get broken and then it knits itself back together, or we see them get cut then the flesh mends itself like Wolverine or something. It comes off more like they just don't hurt each other whatsoever.

>>212790062
>>212790166
Funny enough there's actually a comic where Joker tries fucking with Superman by kidnapping his friends and locking them in lead coffins hidden around town, and Superman immediately finds them because the suspiciously human shaped hunks of lead he can't see are dead giveaways

>>212792946
why would he assume that superman's vision works like a fucking x-ray machine lmao that's retarded. is Superman also giving people cancer whenever he uses his x-ray vision on them?

>>212792699
He thought if he threw Zod through like 20 more populated buildings he might actually hurt him

>>212792971
>Where is this explained in the movie?
This is one of the reasons the DCEU failed. We have to explain the film to you. Scene by scene. What the scene below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O30gxt471I

>>212792686
Yeah probably, this is the clark who was raised by his father who taught him to NOT save people, totally like superman and jonathan are supposed to be right?
This is why the movie and snyder fails, leave the edgy and moroseness to batman not fucking superman

>>212793000
You are right there is no indication of them actually hurting each other untill Zod gets his neck snapped.

>>212793112
>supposed to be
Post discarded, reported
Reason: insufficient critical thinking

>>212793049
>why would he assume that superman's vision works like a fucking x-ray machine lmao that's retarded. is Superman also giving people cancer whenever he uses his x-ray vision on them?
Lex had obviously seen Superman (1978)

>>212793110
So the scene of him cloning a random dead Kryptonian who couldn't really use his x-ray vision well explains why he knew every detail about Superman's x-ray vision?

Why can't you just admit your movie had bad writing?

>>212793000
>It comes off more like they just don't hurt each other whatsoever.
That's why I said Smallvile better illustrated this.

>>212792889
The two Jews slapping Moses's origin story on him doesn't change anything I said. Also they got the whole idea from Nietzsche's Übermensch. Pipe down redditor.

>>212793146
Why? Can't refute? Tell me how jonathan telling clark not to save people is in any way good writing

>>212793175
Did you watch the movie at all?
https://youtu.be/IX7M-7n5cUc?si=Ruw9quxaTkXlVIyy&t=148

>>212793256
How is it bad writing? Seems fine to me, illustrating a man quite reasonably unsure of what the best thing to tell his superpowered alien son to keep him safe

>>212793110
My brain's not big enough. What is the meaning of the cherry jolly rancher?

>>212793291
that scene happens after the courthouse explosion

>>212793291
No, I'm not watching your videos. I'm telling you to tell me what you think about what I said. Don't be bad faith. Engage.

>>212793343
How the fuck do you play Devil's advocate about saving kids??

>>212792021
It indeed does address the criticism some itt made but what you end up with is Supermanchild

>>212793414
Well now hang on a cotton-picking minute, you were very gung-ho about getting me to say why I thought it was fine writing, now you're going to sit there and tell me, why do you think it was bad writing?

>>212793291
>>212793110
You are posting shit from BvS, not even thinking why would Superman leave Kryptonian tech to fucking humans to mess around.

Just fucking admit that snyder is a retard.

>>212792170
Probably because it's known superman lore. Like I said, Snyder doesn't insult the intelligence of his audience. BvS fairly clear states that Lex has been keeping tabs on everyone. He is literally the smartest dude in the DC universe anon.

>>212793367
>>212793382
By the time the events of BvS occurred there would have been multiple reports of saves done by Superman. Interview by Lois Lane that would have been similar to one done in Reeve's film. Put it all together and Lex would have known most of his abilities by the start of the film. Same as Bruce Wayne.

>>212792508
>New RLM take
Avoid this opinion. Superman has more in common with Christ than Moses, despite both being the hero's journey

>>212793496
>why would Superman leave Kryptonian tech to fucking humans to mess around.
Because he doesn't want to start a fucking war? How is he going to take it from them without causing an international incident?

>>212793518
>would have been

So this isn't explained in the movie anywhere, then. I'm glad we came to that conclusion 4 replies later and had to bully it out of you. Why be so exhausting?

>>212792757
It is anon. I said the same thing kek

>>212793570
>Why be so exhausting?
Because you should have known this already.

>>212793509
yes but somethings are just dumb. Superman is a dumb character. I have no idea why they keep trying to make him work live action.

>>212789680
Lead blocks ionizing radiation. It doesn't stop an MRI, or IR, or radiowaves, etc. Unless Lex just assumed Superman's x-ray vision exactly like a medical x-ray machine works by shooting out ionizing radiation, in which case he'd be risking giving people cancer when he used it.

>>212793351
Unironically about control. Why tf are people stupid

>>212793518
Superman just gave interviews exposing his weakness? Snyder Supes doesn't seem all that talkative honestly, given the first thing he does after the courthouse scene is fly off rather than explain what happened. In fact, it's never even established he gives interviews to Lois in this world.

>>212793560
>How is he going to take it from them without causing an international incident?
What the fuck are you talking about? There is literally nothing that can stop him. And the stuff he will be destroying is in India and Usa only. What international incident is that going to cause?

>>212789228
A racial defense of Man of Steel would necessarily conclude that Kal-El is a pathetic race traitor, so I don't know what you're acting so smug about, Sandeep

>>212793509
>Like I said, Snyder doesn't insult the intelligence of his audience.
So is Kryptonite, which is far more known than the lead thing, and yet we have an entire scene of exposition explaining what it is and how Lex got it.

>>212793668
Superman flies to Metropolis. Picks up the spaceship and tries to fly it away for himself. The American government says "Hey Superman, that's ours, put it down". Superman says "No, fuck you". What happens next, in your mind?

>>212793351
>What is the meaning of the cherry jolly rancher?

>>212792699
>>212792750
I think Supes may have a small of magical reality/physics manipulation powers. Remember in ZSJL when black suit Superman held his hand above the ground and the rocks swirled below it?

I think when he really flexed that power in that singular moment, it overrode whatever magical force field power Zod had.

>>212786350 (OP)
Snyder's vision for Superman is people dying all around him and he can't do much about it.
It's a recurring theme.
That's why its supposed to be so uplifting when he actually saves a family by applying his murder-skills.

>>212793718
>The American government says "Hey Superman, that's ours, put it down".
I hope to God you are just baiting and no this retarded.

>>212793612
No, I shouldn't have assumed something a character would have done to learn a minute detail. That is bad writing.

>>212793518
Ah yes, Snyder doesn't need to explain Supes lore to the audience, who are clearly comic aficonados. Which is why he takes the time to explain the destruction of Krypton, how Superman gets his powers from the sun, what Kryptonite is and how it works and of course the most obscure comic lore of all, that Batman is motivated by the death of his parents as a child.

>>212793773
Can you answer the question?

>>212793619
Lead is conductive, so it will block everything else as well.

>>212793743
>I think Supes may have a small of magical reality/physics manipulation powers. Remember in ZSJL when black suit Superman held his hand above the ground and the rocks swirled below it?
>I think when he really flexed that power in that singular moment, it overrode whatever magical force field power Zod had.
almost more okay with this explanation then the normal 'he'd been under the yellow sun longer' crap. guess the writers couldn't think of a way of trapping/zapping Zod's power without seeming too much of a rip off of Reeve's version

>>212793794
no it doesn't. Lead doesn't block any of the things I listed. It will scatter it a bit, but it won't totally block it. Lead isn't even a particularly good conductor. If that's the logic we're using then Luthor should've encased it in Copper like Megamind.

>>212793509
Ah yes, Snyder doesn't need to explain Supes lore to the audience, who are clearly comic aficonados. Which is why he takes the time to explain the destruction of Krypton, how Superman gets his powers from the sun, what Kryptonite is and how it works and of course the most obscure comic lore of all, that Batman is motivated by the death of his parents as a child.

>>212793743
There is no problem with their powerlevel. Movie established well enough that Superman is waaaay stronger than all Kryptonians because of natural and longer exposure to sun. Zod keeps getting stronger throughout the fight, thats another reason for Supes to kill Zod. But the problem is they sustain no fucking damage from each other. They are just destroying the stuff around them.

>>212793619
>Unless Lex just assumed Superman's x-ray vision exactly like a medical x-ray machine works by shooting out ionizing radiation, in which case he'd be risking giving people cancer when he used it.
i just assumed an interview discussing his powers like the 1978 version happened off camera and was published. Or a wizard did it

>>212793969
But Faora is matching well against him the very first time they meet up, when she's fresh off the ship. And Nam-ek or whoever physically overwhelms him for a bit. And both are breathing "pure" Kryptonian air, which is shown to disable their powers even after a good sun-soak.

>>212793969
>Movie established well enough that Superman is waaaay stronger than all Kryptonians because of natural and longer exposure to sun
been awhile since i rewatched...how did it establish that, other than the neck snapping? seemed pretty evenly match throughout per my poor memory

>>212790148
Anyone who bases their criticism of BvS on the theatrical cut is a dumbass who shouldn't be listened to.

>>212793981
>pic
Those are ionizing particles Anon, which lead stops because they actually have mass. None of those are radiowaves or IR, which again, lead does not block effectively.
>i just assumed an interview discussing his powers like the 1978 version happened off camera and was published. Or a wizard did it
I mean sure but it's never established that Superman takes interviews in this world, by Lois or anyone else. It actually seems kind of against his characterization.

>>212794070
You remember correctly. They pummel each other equally throughout (though no one gets so much as their hair mussed on either side), and Clarks whole advantage is his flight until the final, unnecessary post-climax Zod fight.

>>212794063
>>212794070
Only Zod managed to adapt to Earth's atmosphere. Clark struggles in Smallvile because he has no figthing experience. But he still manages to 2 v 1 and win with his heatvision and flight.

>>212794103
Anyone who stans for Snyder's Superman has little ground to call anyone a "retard".
That said, it's fine that you enjoy shitty movies, many do.

>>212794103
>You have to buy the dlc for the full experience
Fuck off

>>212794230
That's my point though, Krypton's shitty atmosphere even makes Clark, with 32 years of sun exposure, weak. So it would even further curtail the convict's powers. Yet they are superhuman right off the ship, despite being in environmental suits.

The Greek Gods curse Vishnu for ten thousand years.

>>212794230
>But he still manages to 2 v 1 and win with his heatvision and flight.
or the all could take the same damage...and clark ran away from the stalemate....that was my take from it

>>212789680
>it's logical, retard
KEK. it's logical for Luthor to assume Superman's vision works by shooting out radiation (and somehow I guess detecting the difference in particles that make it vs. those that don't. or the fact that Superman's x-ray vision sees in fucking color) that could be blocked by lead like an actual x-ray machine? what, because they both see through things? do you people even listen to yourself?

>>212794417
>>212794423
Vishnu is cursed for ten thousand years

>>212789998
It was a hard choice for Superman because he actually wanted to learn more about Krypton but it was made clearer once they started attacking them. Superman wanted them to see reason that they can still exist with them but Zod is a biological robot programmed to fight for the Kryptonian race. Superman no longer contacts Krypton or anything related to it moving forward as he has basically extinguished anything related to his race

>>212794423
>because they both see through things?
or it was established lore in the comics and previous movies...and maybe Lex found out..somehow. lot's of shitty things about the movies but this nit pick seems trivial

>>212790946
I just checked the script and Gunn's script ends when the guy shoots himself and they leave the dock. So the landing on the zombie island ending is a Zack original.

>>212794417
No one is taking any damage. It's all completely bloodless PG fighting until the neck snappering.
It makes Dragonball look like Hokuto no Ken.

>>212788595
Superman is Atlas that buckled and was eventually crushed beneath the weight of the world. It was only when the world was rolling around with no Atlas to hold it up did people realize why Superman was important. That's the objectivist kino you're looking for.

>>212794530
>lore in the comics
don't count since the movie diverges so much from the comics.
>previous movies
Link me where in Man of Steel it's established Superman can't see through lead. I'll save you some time and let you know you won't find it, because no such establishment exists.

>>212794374
Ship's atmo + materials probably made a mild kryptonite effect idk. We are thinking this shit harder than snyder ever did. Point is Clark was extremely strong compared to other Kryptonians and only Zod managed to adapt and get stronger.

>>212786350 (OP)
All valid questions. The problem is that Snyder's Superman is fucking useless. He belongs in the trash, along with the Snyder fanbase.

>>212786350 (OP)
because he has to be edgy. It has to be a dark deconstruction because thats like heccin cool
Like what if superman wasnt a good guy WOWZA snyder is a genius!!

>>212794564
>No one is taking any damage
no damage = same damage for both sides. yep..perfectly evenly matched was the point i was making...making the 'clark has been here longer so he can snap necks' thing seem like a cop out ending to the fight

>>212794634
/thread

>>212794610
>>lore in the comics
>don't count since the movie diverges so much from the comics.

>don't count
kek

>>previous movies
>Link me where in Man of Steel it's established Superman can't see through lead. I'll save you some time and let you know you won't find it, because no such establishment exists.
'previous movies' was in reference to Superman (1978) where the explicitly say it

>>212794423
Well the visible light spectrum can't go through lead, so yeah, it's logical to assume that Superman's eyes shoot out some radiation of their own like an IR camera. And then you could say, well, anything of a higher frequency than maybe ultraviolet would be harmful, and he's not giving people cancer so it's probably some exotic EM around that frequency, which lead would block handily enough.

>>212793739
So Lex... is steve?

>>212794794
>don't count
Yes, unless you want me to ask why Superman didn't call Krypto, or Supergirl, or Steel or anyone else to help him with the issue.

>previous movies
Why would references to a totally seperate universe apply here? That Superman could also make clones images of himself and reverse time. Why didn't Cavill Superman just do that and save everyone?

>>212794846
>anything of a higher frequency
Lower frequency waves are more likely to go through lead than high frequency waves. Radiowaves, for example, can mostly go through lead. But we know Superman's powers wouldn't work through shooting out X-Rays, because otherwise he wouldn't see in color when he did it, and he wouldn't see through a lot more things than just lead.

>>212786434
Nobody ever claimed that this moment was well-written.
>Captcha MWSAR

>>212786350 (OP)
couldn't even save his hairline holy shit

None of you give a fuck about the civilian cattle being killed, you just want to bitch.

>>212794865
>>>212794794 (You)
>>don't count
>Yes, unless you want me to ask why Superman didn't call Krypto, or Supergirl, or Steel or anyone else to help him with the issue.
>>previous movies
>Why would references to a totally seperate universe apply here? That Superman could also make clones images of himself and reverse time. Why didn't Cavill Superman just do that and save everyone?
prior to any of the Synder films or even the Singer superman...if you asked a bunch of random people to give you a short synopsis of Superman and his powers...im sure flying, invincibility, and xray vision (blocked only by lead) would have been some common responses...so i referred to the comics and previous movies as his 'lore'. Does every superhero movie have to start with a full backstory or can we sort of assume everyone knows Bruce Wayne's parents got killed?

>>212794634
>>212794689
Pathetic samefag.

>>212786350 (OP)
>bomb blows up
>I can try to go super speed (in this universe I am canonically as fast as The Flash who is shown to be fast enough to save people mid explosion in his own movie later) and try to save people
>I can think "hmm, that's odd, I can't see through lead and I can't see through this guy's wheelchair!" while he's being wheeled in and form a countermeasure and stop the bomb
>I can try to put out the fire quickly after it blows up even if both options above fail
>...
>decide to aura farm in the flames instead

This scene. This was the scene where even the most programmed normie turned against Snyder's Superman. This was when everyone began thinking, "Oh, nah, this character's just a retard huh?" and moved on from it mentally. They still went to see the movies sometimes, but not as much, and hype died. This was what did it.

>>212789797
When I read posts like this I imagine how it feels being autistic and not be able to understand people's emotions...

>>212795143
I think that happened in MoS on the scene where Costner basically tells him that it might have been good to let a bunch of kids die...

>>212792699
>This honestly is the worst part of the fight to me. They fight for like 20 minutes, and neither of them sustain any damage whatsoever
You're the only one autistic enough to care about that shit. And you post this tripe every single thread.

>>212795122
You know what the most common known weakness of Superman is? Kryptonite, and yet, the movie gives an indepth explanation of what it is, how it got here, and how Lex got it. Don't pretend like these movies were made with the assumption that you were familiar with Superman lore when Man of Steel dedicates half its runtime to explaining where Superman came from, his upbringing, how he gets his powers from the sun and the first time he uses each of his powers. Either these scenes were entirely pointless, or the movie explains the concepts as they're introduced. You can't have it both ways.
>Does every superhero movie have to start with a full backstory or can we sort of assume everyone knows Bruce Wayne's parents got killed?
BvS shows Bruce Wayne's parents being killed in its opening and multiple flashbacks, so clearly the movie itself disagrees with you on this.

>>212795143
>I can't see through lead and I can't see through this guy's wheelchair!
does he always see through...or does he have to try/turn it on? fr don't know

>>212790554
>>212790885
IT IS ADULT

>>212788309
The presence of a lead container should in itself be suspicious, the movie is set in 2013

>half of the posters are about how MOS Superman "SUPPOSED" to do this it or that like Superman©
>1/3 can't understand Synderervse does not operate in a bottle world like most cape films even if forces are not shown on screen
>1/4 can't understand that Superman is not an omniscient being. He needed to focus to do any of his more niche powers

The movie came out in 2013
Were people playing with their phones while watching in a theater back then too?

I even read a post not too longer ago asking what is the point of the church scene.

>>212795205
I think that he should've said to Clark to reveal to everyone he is an alien. That would be good writing, because fathers don't care about their kids.

>>212795300
>not too longer
>half of the posters are about how
>1/3 can't understand
>asking what is the point of

Snyderjeet spotted in the wild!

>>212795143
Everyone were making fun of MARTHA and Eisenberg's shitty performance, this explosion scene barely even registered.

>>212795300
No anon, good writing if when millions of people evecuate a city in only one hour, which allows the heroes and villains to blow shit up without causing collateral damage.

His eyes doesnt shoot out radiation when he uses x-ray vision. Only when he fires eye lasers.
The x-ray vision works by him just being really good at looking. Like can see through the empty space in atoms.

only problem i have with MOS is lex, should have never casted that little faggot

>>212790885
>like kvetching over Zod not being as popular Hoult Lex
Never happened.

>>212795227
>dedicates half its runtime to explaining where Superman came from, his upbringing, how he gets his powers from the sun and the first time he uses each of his powers

which was a poor choice. would've been made worse by taking the time explaining the limitations of all his powers too. I don't think i saw him speed faster than a locomotive even! how am i supposed to know Superman is fast!

>>212795227
>BvS shows Bruce Wayne's parents being killed in its opening and multiple flashbacks, so clearly the movie itself disagrees with you on this.

and it shouldn't have. wasn't a very good movie. for 100 other reasons than Lex knowing he couldn't see through lead.

>>212795143
>in this universe I am canonically as fast as The Flash
I don't recall this happening before the Justice League movie.
>I can think "hmm, that's odd, I can't see through lead and I can't see through this guy's wheelchair!" while he's being wheeled in and form a countermeasure and stop the bomb
You're assuming he uses X-ray 100% of the time.
>I can try to put out the fire quickly after it blows up even if both options above fail
Everyone died.

>>212791104
Superman should've tore his guts out this very moment.

>>212795371
>Martha
I like how normies got filtered by a scene as simple as that.

>>212795447
>how do I know Superman is fast?
The movie shows him going fast when he's learning his powers.

>and it shouldn't have. wasn't a very good movie. for 100 other reasons than Lex knowing he couldn't see through lead.

The problem that you're not getting is that the movie shows everything else, it is clearly not made with some pre-established lore in mind. It's attempting to be as grounded a take as can be. So Luthor "just knowing he can't see through lead because that's Superman lore bro," doesn't work here. If it was in a universe that just started in media res then sure that would be acceptable, but it isn't, so it's an issue, among many other things.

>>212795229
In MoS they show hes constangly getting xray flashes.

I don't care what you LOSERS think the scene where Superman turns slowly as the Flash zooms past in slowmotion was SUPER MEGA KINO

>>212795436
BvS you mean? .

>>212786350 (OP)
the AAAURAA

>>212791177
>it's bad because... hmmm... it isn't like the comics nobody read

>>212795227
>and yet, the movie gives an indepth explanation of what it is
Partly because its a retcon. In mos he doesn't get his power from the yellow sun, its because earth's atmosphere isnt polluted like krypton.

>>212795592
everybody agrees that scene was cool, it's like the only good scene in the movie

>>212795544
>I like how normies got filtered by a scene as simple as that.

i just can't stop picturing the 'creative meeting/writers room' where they all came together and were "what could he say to batman to really connect in this moment...where they seem themselves as equals blah blah....then scrolling wikipedia about both characters until some idiot goes "well, their mom's have the same name"...and they all erupt in applause and cater in lunch

>>212786350 (OP)
feel like superman 2025 and Man of Steel need to swap Jor Els

This Superman should be faster than light, correct? He is able to track and react to flash. A bomb like that almost certainly doesn’t have a detonation velocity faster than light. Even if the bomb were incased in lead, he would literally be able to see it explode in slow motion. Was he just not paying attention? It would have been like him sitting there waiting for hours for this bomb to explode. Was he daydreaming?

>>212795683
he was thinking about his mommy gf, she is his world after all

>>212790209
In the new movie Supes drinks cocoa because he's sad about being called "Supershit" while the Justice Gang is fighting a giant alien in the city.
But it's ok because FUNNY

>>212795575
>dont count
>doesn't work here
says you

>>212786350 (OP)
>>212795011
Nigger cunt jannies got me again bros

>>212795709
he's actually sad that he found out his parents were evil, the world has turned against him and Lex trashed his fortress and kidnapped his dog

>>212795709
it's the same alien they have beaten before, they can handle it, rn they are letting their boy chill and deal with his personal problems

>Why didn't Zod just go terra forming somewhere else??

>>212790209
>absense of any shock and horror at the Congress explosion scene
SUPERMAN SHOULD BE CRYING AND POOPING IN SHOCK AND HORROR
>>212795666
It's a cool reference.

>>212795683
>He is able to track and react to flash
In the sequel. You guys try really hard to find flaws in the movie.

How can superman turn back time by flying around rhe earth with an angular velocity opposite the earth's spin?

>>212795852
You're right, there was a training arc between then and the sequel. It wasn't that he literally died about a day after this bomb happened, then revived immediately into the Flash fight, so he didn't have time to develop his speed at all. You're right. He grew more powerful instead.

Question, if you end up in a coma do you think you'll wake up faster?

>>212795887
>How can superman turn back time by flying around rhe earth with an angular velocity opposite the earth's spin?
I so wish this was twitter (X), so I could ask Grok that

>>212795887
WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIME

>>212795887
NOOO STOP POINTING OUT HIS STUPID POWERS IM GO- ACK

>>212795811
>It's a cool reference.
yeah, but not the climatic 'thing' that makes batman not want to kill him, for me. to each his own. better than 90% of the shit that gets pumped out, but was disappointed in the movie overall

>>212795887
Why didnt he just use this power to turn back time and kill zog as a baby?

>>212795785
>his parents were evil
Disrespectful to the source material but suddenly this is ok.
>>212795795
>establishes Superman as someone who is always thinking about helping humanity
>hmmmm actually I'm le sad now, I won't fight this gigantic alien who can easily kills hundreds of people with a single laser beam
>I can easily push him away from the city but I won't
>the Justice Gang is in control of the situation even if they are reckless
>IT'S FUNNY

One punch man was a bettee superman than superman.
superman was a poor deconstruction of the unbeatable hero genre

>>212795887
>How can superman turn back time by flying around rhe earth with an angular velocity opposite the earth's spin?
until i see someone try it and fail...i'll believe it's possible

>>212787749
And yet the movie shows him saving people multiple times, go figure.

>>212796241
Just admit whoever wrote that power was retarded
the entire superman power set is retarded

>>212796370
>Just admit whoever wrote that power was retarded
>the entire superman power set is retarded
it was...and got eyerolls at the time im sure, but Reeves was so stellar noone cared

>>212793110
>>212795918
When he was resurrected by the Mother Box, yes, it made him more powerful and gave him new powers, like ice breath.

>>212796136
>>Why didnt he just use this power to turn back time and kill zog as a baby?
The only baby he'd kill is Amy Adams's

>>212796438
>at the time
grampa.. the war dend hundred years ago

>>212796470
>>at the time
>>212796438
>im sure
before my time, but either turning back time to save lois, cellophane S, to snapping a Kryptonian's neck like a twig, all the endings seemed comically bad. but they're comic book movies, so who cares. Now here's Cher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3A_-HRFfc

>>212796443
No it didn't. Where is this mentioned?

>>212788320
>How the fuck did Luthor know that Superman can't see through lead
Real x-rays can't easily penetrate lead. Good guess.

>>212786410
fpbp

>>212791657
>it has actual ideas and effort that people still talk about to this day

>>212791657
>There will never be a thread about the Ant-Man trilogy
batman > antman...only reason

>>212790209
>>212790554
>>212790885
Quit sucking your own dick nigga.

>>212791983
>he gives the genocidal madman that is clearly about to lose his shit a weird puppy dog
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>212790554
Anon, you regularly defend Marvel quipfests and think the direction Marvel took after Avengers was a good thing. You have absolutely nothing to stand upon.

>>212795683
Flash wasn't anywhere near speed of light during that scene.

>>212795300
BvS came out in 2016.

>>212795660
Whedon League, sure. In Snyder Cut there's a bunch more.

>>212792587
Zoomers don't give a fuck about the decade-old Superman movies and the millenials soiface over everything Gunn and are eager for the reboot. The new movie is flopping because it's just not that good, sorry.