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Honestly wtf was up with the voyager ending? 7 seasons to not even fucking land on the planet, maybe get an epilogue of where everybody ends up? Abysmal.

/trek/ is back baby!

>>212800378
Is he really, I'm a sometimes Scottie man myself

>>212800531
Could be worse

Awesome show

>>212800531
Neelix ended up in some hellish mining colony full of terrible creatures like him. That's all the ending I needed.

>>212800616
Why was she trying to cut a bread stick with a knife and fork? Would a vegetarian society even use knives at the dinner table?

>>212800652
>hey talaxians this asteroid field is our property get the fuck out
>no
>........

>>212800568
Yes really. He is the soul to Kirk's heart and Spock's mind. You need all 3 of them.

>>212800710
She says Vulcans don't eat with their hands

>>212800793
Sure they'd have forks or chopsticks but if all they're eating is vegetables would they really have knives at the dinner table? You need knives to cut meat, with veggies most of the cutting is in the prep before the food's served.

>>212800728
Yeah but scotty can fix the ship. All bones does is confirm when someone is already dead.

Name a continuity error that triggers you

Hard mode: No TOS Earth Space Probe Agency shit

>>212800908
All you're doing is proving you literally don't eat vegetables.

>>212800953
lmfao nailed it

>>212800914
nah bones has to go on away missions to scan things with spock.

>>212800938
This
>ARCHER: I found a new system in the Vulcan database. Coridan. They're only a few light years away so I thought we'd take a look.
>TUCKER: Inhabited?
>ARCHER: Just over three billion humanoids. Apparently, the Vulcans have a mining agreement with them. I had Hoshi send a message to their Chancellor and she invited us to visit their capital city.

It takes like the only 2 facts we ever knew about Coridan from the episode Journey to Babel and then says the opposite.

Shut up faggots. Final warning.

>>212800541
Thanks, now that song is stuck in my head. Again...

>>212801211
does this help?

>>212800541
why did quark care so much about their safety in this episode when he was a selfish greedy ferengi with no character development yet?

>>212801268
it was his fault, it would destabilize the region and ruin his bar, wild-west-anarchist-station-sheriff odo would lynch him.

>>212801268
those aliens psyched him out

>>212801268
He did? He tried to take the most dangerous path despite knowing they were in peril and Odo had to stop him.

>>212800953
Because I don't cut them with a giant steak knife like what she attacked the bread stick with?

>>212801040
But Scottie us best boy

>>212801401
I thought he was missing half his fingers

>>212801401
scottie has his own shore leave adventures that involve drinking and whoring

>>212801258
You motherfucker-

>>212801443
Aye

>>212800531
It was the undisputed worst of all time ending for a Star Trek show.

and then ENT came out, kek

>>212801443
and murdering

>>212801426
He lost a finger on the other hand on D-Day. But he always hid it on camera in TOS, or at least tried. You can see it sometimes. Just google Scottie Star Trek weird finger.

>>212801625
allegedly, once.

>>212801268
For the merchandising anon

>>212801606
Meh you can cut enterprise slack for ending abruptly, the voyager ending on the other hand was planned allegedly

>>212801681
wtf that's real

>>212801738
It's not that ENT ended abruptly as much as the
>it was all just a dream!
holodeck cop out.

>>212801749
Yes

>>212801606
Oh that Enterprise ending…and no I don’t consider it to be an epilogue so as to be viewed more favorably. Rushed, sloppy, nonsense. It’s like they had a vague idea of what they wanted to do over the next 3 seasons and tried to cram as many of those ideas as possible into an episode. I’d love to know what they were snorting and how much when they came up with the riker idea. Terribly lazy.

>>212801763
Fair but I never thought the whole thing took place in the holodeck. I just thought it was a one episode device to cram in the next three years of shit they had roadmapped

>>212801401
>hand blown off in WW2
>has 3 kids with 10/10 wife
>leaves wife to fuck and marry a 17 year old fan
>puts another 4 kids in her
>becomes an alcoholic and morbidly obese
>dies

what was his problem?

>>212801816
They couldn't even get trip involved, it is an absolutely insane production attempt even without the riker and plot stuff. like.... they had sets and shooting time left over so they adlibbed?

>>212801895
full blown alzheimers or something, big rip.

>>212801912
Something something owe it to the fans. There were people who didn’t want it canned. They slapped something together as fast and cheaply as possible before the sets were striked.

>>212801763
>>it was all just a dream!
?????????????????

I never watched the JJ Abrams movies.
Should I bother?

>>212802043
There were a lot of theories about
>Riker was the chef, he was there all along
>the whole show was just Riker fucking off on the holodeck!
I thought it was a convenient way for them to leave themselves open for retcons later if they didn't like anything about the show.
>oh it was just a holodeck program, not the actual events

>>212801895
He was 85 anon

>>212802082
Nah, Chris Pine is fun but it's not enough.

>>212802099
how did he age 30 years between TOS S3 and The Motion Picture despite only 10 years passing IRL?

>>212802082
I would say the first one is an excellent drunk movie. Sober, it's merely watchable. The other two can easily be missed.

>>212802139
alchiehol

>>212802095
I got the opposite impression. By inserting Enterprise into a TNG episode they essentially made it a solid part of Trek canon.

>>212802082
If you've watched all the trek media before it then probably. Not because it's worth watching but because you need to see what they did to it, like when a family member identifies a dead body

>>212800938
For me?
It's the fact that Klingons and especially Romulans are extremely concerned with defending the Alpha Quadrant from the Dominion, even though canonically they're part of the Beta Quadrant

>>212802175
>Not because it's worth watching but because you need to see what they did to it, like when a family member identifies a dead body

>>212802139
Because in s3 of TOS he was 46 and tmp he was 59

>>212802208
Nice

>>212802208
Kinda like how America is concerned with Ukraine and Israel.

>>212802175
Watch the first one. Its an action movie.

>>212802303
didn't they make Sulu a gay homosexual despite Takei's protests and Takei literally having a daughter in Generations?

>>212802237
>Chakotay
Bemused. He's seen a few.
>B'Elanna
Politely awkward, a bit of pity.
>Doctor
Remains genial and professional.
>Janeway
Full on hilarity.
>Neelix
Upbeat but disgusted.
>Harry
Taking too much joy in another's humiliation.
>Tom
Staring directly at it for way too long.

>>212802208
There's nothing canonical about that gay ass map, problem after problem that the gays who defend it can only hand wave by saying space is 3D therefore everyone wraps around everyone else, making the map useless to begin with. It's the lightsaber forms of Star Trek, it should fucking die.

>>212802237
B'elanna looks like she's remembering identifying a dead body. Or Abrams trek

>>212802454
I gotchu senpai

>>212802242
>>212802139
White pill is thay Scotty looked pretty good at 59

>>212802476
The Discovery of maps

>>212802502
Like locations or those on the Epstein list?

scene leaked from tommorow's s3 strange new worlds premiere

>>212800490 (OP)
Canon map incomming

>>212802538
It should say set phasers to STUNNING

>>212802550
you call that a map?
where's Andromeda?

>>212802538
That's actually pretty funny because it's true

>>212802595
Idk fall season? There only probably like 40 or 50 wales keeping the thing alive

>>212802550
i hate that they dont even let you try and make the voyage between quadrants

>>212802538
i think he only had the fat eyebrows in The Cage

>>212802476
>>212802208
I think both these maps are neat

>>212802658
Got damn...

>>212802621
no he looked ridiculous in the kirk pilot (where no man has gone before)
was wearing yellow too
had asiatic man make up
and said he had a human ANCESTOR which is a very odd way to refer to your mother

they also travel outside of the galaxy like it's no problem which makes the entirety of Voyager seem like they were being a bunch of lazy twats for 7 years straight

>>212802724
>and said he had a human ANCESTOR which is a very odd way to refer to your mother
kek yeah i remember that

>>212802658
Kira > Ezri > Leeta > Moogie > Jadzia

Too bad there's never been a good mutiny plot in Star Trek. All you have to do is copy Mutiny on the Bounty or The Caine Mutiny.

>>212802208
>>212802476
How the fuck did Cardassia and the Klingons have a war when they need to cross Federation space to reach each other?

>>212802795
I love the 90s

>>212802550
Map for ants

>>212802847
just don't think about it bro

>>212802847
The Cardassians and Romulans must share a border as well, otherwise the whole thing with them violating Romulan territory to hit starfleet wouldn't make sense.

>>212802805
VOY started out with one or two but they couldn't go through with real continuity changes.

>>212802805
Realistically there's no way the crew doesn't mutiny on janeway when she tries to destroy the catapult

>>212803084
I'm not so sure about that. They were a brand new crew so they barely knew each other. Mutinies happens when the crew have time to voice complaints to each other and let resentment build up enough that they band together to take over. It's unlikely that someone would have stepped forward to usurp their captain without already knowing they would be supported by others.

>>212803084
>>212803246
worst case scenario is kino

>>212803328
True, it's a legit 9/10 and probably the closest we'll ever get to a great mutiny Trek story.

>>212800938
Changelings being treated as something special when one of them had already kicked the shit out of Worf and another almost fucked Wesley.

>>212803246
That's half the problem there, she isn't even their captain for half of them, and the other half just met her. She's openly talking about stranding them in borg space so the kazon can't use the catapult, even though they just met the kazon and they'll probably fuck the catapult before they figure out how to use it. It doesn't matter if they have time to coordinate, there's no chance someone like Paris doesn't just say fuck no when he's told to die for nothing like that. She'd have Tuvok with her and maybe Harry. Chakotay in particular would have tomahawked her. Hell the Maquis get back and they've got a brand new barely used Intrepid class now.

>>212803408
I think if you believe any of what you just wrote then you aren't very good at characterization.

>>212800938
I don't know if it's an error really, but it bugs me the changelings and the not-engineers weren't the same people. Same actress, mostly the same look, the founders are the generic engineering people, it's all right there.

>>212803442
you are stupid

>>212803426
I think if you don't believe it you have hardcore autism and can't understand human behavior. Everything I said was perfect in every regard, and I preemptively accept your concession.

>>212800938
>Hard mode: No TOS Earth Space Probe Agency shit

Does Khan knowing Chekov fall under this

>>212803490
Turn your monitor on, you're replying to your reflection again.

>>212803523
Easy enough to say he was on the ship, just not posted to the bridge.

>>212800490 (OP)
I started recently reading the Post-Nemesis novels and this one was pretty good.

>Troy is replaced with an uptight smol Vulcan
>Worf becomes first officer (reluctantly)
>The Borg are in the Alpha Quadrant and are building a Dyson Sphere or some shit along with a new Queen.

>>212803586
I wonder when AI will be good enough to generate TNG episodes from novels?

I LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING YOUR REPORT MR BROCCOLI

>>212803523
b-but Chekov was serving on the Enterprise already!!1!

>>212800938
Behr changing the prophets from aliens who are mistaken for gods to gods who are mistaken for aliens

>>212803606
Never. There isn't enough electricity.

>>212803680
Robert Hewitt Wolfe was the only staff writer keeping that shit together.

>>212803740
He was the rational bulwark against Behr's autism. As soon as he was gone Behr started fucking with the characters and the lore.

i've got faith. of the heart.

i can reach. any star.

>>212801426
>>212801644
Wow, I did not know this story. What an eventful 24-hours of frontline service. Thanks, anons.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14101815/Star-Trek-James-Doohan-finger-D-Day.html

Been watching Lower Decks, after powering through the first season where black girl who's name I forget was an insufferable Mary Sue, it was alright, they really leaned on the misunderstanding that get resolved near the end of the episode formula though.

Most importantly, why is T'lyn so likeable and hot?
Trill girl is a runner up.

>>212804658
>After surviving the hellish landing, Doohan took out two snipers and led his men through a field of anti-tank mines, but ironically, it was not the enemy who would cause him a life-changing injury.
Based, imagine what he would do to the cartoon trannies. Suicide Squad Scottie taking no prisoners.

>>212804749
forgot pic

>>212804749
The lack of men like this in the room is the biggest issue the IP has. It's HR women, not men who understand professionalism in the face of danger. Hence that nuTrek scene of the smarmy woman dismissing the male officer, you know the one

>>212804801
Well guys that created TOS fought in multiple wars and even the actors saw some action, like Doohan. And then at least Gene was alive at the very start of TNG to impress upon people how things should initially be, the air of military formality on the bridge being integral, the professionalism, etc. And then that was passed down through Berman Trek, becoming a bit more diluted with every iteration.

But now it's just a bunch of TV people. Nobody understands how people should talk on a Trek show -- it's the same boring post-ironic dialogue you see in everything else these days. Everyone is too interested in being droll to actually say anything they care about with sincerity and earnestness.

>>212804911
Theater kids took over Star Trek

>>212804688
>Lower Decks
Tranny Trek can fuck off.

>>212805667
There were definitely always some of those too

>>212805842
>>212805667
actors are just like that, its universal.

>>212805828
the potatoes are new

>>212805972
Yeah, theater kids are just actors and actors can only do so much damage. It's the tv people who are the real problem. They're nepobabies and marketing guys and MBAs.

lmao at Strange New Worlds just coming straight out and saying yeah, Trelane is a Q

>>212805828
This AI has gone rogue.

>>212806187
thats pretty based actually. its always been super in line with almost every other show's Q themes what with antique soldiering and judges.

>>212806234
>>212806187
samefag

>>212806264
nah, i havent watched SNW but that trivial fact specifically is okay.

>>212806305
>everything must be connected to something I know
Death to lorefags

>>212806187
Apollo was also a Q.

>>212806321
its clearly in line with gene's intent in personally approved episodes and episodes that have been produced since his death which followed that intent. what is less cool is rehashing a TOS plot in yet another fucking prequel.

SNW is the worst thing that ever happened to Star Trek. At least STD didn’t shit all over TOS, you could put up a wall of separation. I’m glad it got canceled. Still can has 24 left to utterly destroy TOS thoughbeit.

>>212806369
I don’t care about your tranny NuTrek retcons.

Will this scene be in SNW?

>>212806433
My dude that's not a retcon, that idea has been around and in secondary canon for a good 30 years now at least

>>212806433
its just a regular con, TNG and VOY went right up to the line of confirming it.

>forced nutrek discussion
Yawn

>>212806469
>>212806468
Beta canon autism. Not every extradimensional imp has to be a Q. It just makes the world smaller.
Fuck off, trannies.

Nagilum is a Q.

>>212806520
It’s just as bad as STO tying every single TNG villain to Iconians.

>>212806511
Put the general on hold for 2 months. Paramount doesn’t need another shilling venue.

>>212806520
this specific type alien dresses in earth enlightenment era clothes and napoleon and pretends to have military rank AND plays at being a judge AND got gene's personal okay.

>>212806669
Roddenberry just reused the idea in TNG. Not everything has to be connected, autismo.

>>212806699
yes, reused the exact idea of a Q or possibly just delancie Q.

>>212806753
(You)'re not getting any more viral engagement of me, NuTranny.

>>212806814
dont even need nutrek for this shit, Trelane is Q.

>>212800541
KINOMARAINE

>>212802082
JJ cannot make a movie better than a 7/10 and the first JJ trek film is probably a 4 or 5, which is where the series peaked. It's ok if you don't think too hard or actually care about Star Trek

The second one is trying to be Wrath of Khan with no right to do so. At one point Khan reveals his name all dramatically while in the brig, clearly intended for the audience to be like "oh yeah we know who Khan is" but the characters are literally just staring at him blankly because nobody in that timeline knows who the fuck he is, TOS never happened, there's no history between him and Kirk like in Wrath... It's just key jangling with an absolutely retarded plot, and the whole film like a case study in everything wrong with reboots.

I never watched the third one.

Wow I am so happy star trek is back.

fuck off STD

Is DS9 more rewatchable than TNG? TNG is my favourite Trek but I've watched DS9 more than TNG.

TNG best ep: The Measure of a Man (extended cut)
DS9 best ep: In The Pale Moonlight

>>212807719
episodic will always be more rewatchable.

>>212807719
In The Pale Goonlight

>>212807750
DS9 is episodic

>>212807769
very semi-episodic

>>212807719
I like how VOY isn't even an option

>>212807832
Its because VOY being the most rewatchable Star Trek series is a given.

>>212807874
It's the most rewatchable because you watch one episode then say "that's it I'm done"

What was the director trying to convey with this scene?

>>212807976
incompetence and incontinence

>>212807719
The only Trek less rewatchable than DS9 is ENT

>>212807997
ENT S2 and S4 are perfectly rewatchable, S3 is rough if you're not going straight through.

>>212807976
>women talking

>>212808021
The only way S3 is rought is if you are too retarded to vaguely remember what happened last episode.

>>212808055
It's a long road and its easiest to push through in one-ish sittings.

>>212806187
Wasn't part of trelanes powers just some machine? I remember them breaking it.

>>212807832
I will never in my life watch any Trek that came after DS9. Get the fuck out you fake Trek "fans"

>>212807874
Its literally dumbed down TNG which is why its so comfy

>>212808857
>Stupidity is comfortable
found the american

>>212808961
/trek/ is smart. We make posts. Posts to bump the thread.

>>212807719
I have to contrarian about Pale Moonlight. Everyone cites this episode but it's like the death of Federation ideals. If you like what Star Trek is supposed to stand for, you should be appalled by Pale Moonlight.

>>212809258
About the only episode that immediately comes to mind being worse about that sort of thing is the one where Sisko goes full retard over Eddington

>>212809365
Yeah they really handwaved that shit. He attacked a planet and made it uninhabitable. It bothered me how DS9 handled the Maquis at the end. It was just casually mentioned in an episode that the Dominion wiped them out. It's like uhh shouldn't that have caused the Federation to go to war? The Eddington stuff just was bizarre. Granted, it was a great twist at first.

>>212809258
TNG maquis was death of federation ideals.

Did the Dixon Hill trifecta. Watched 'The Big Goodbye' s01e12, 'Manhunt' s02e19 and 'Clues' s04e19. Any other 'sodes that you like to watch lumped together?

>>212809575
could add the royale to make it more pulpy

>>212809765
If you did a pulp theme watch, you'd have to include every Captain Proton 'sode too.

>>212809840
I think he means pulp noir and if you say captain proton is noir because its b&w I will fucking slap you

i liked the babby Q episode

>>212810143
could go either way i really just meant TNG though

>>212810143
Proton is quintessential pulp. And if you threaten to slap me again, I will bash you.

>>212810158
fair enough

>>212810245
I said Noir not pulp, alright you've brought this on yourself

>>212800840
>"Well, look who decided to come out of his holosuite and join us!"

>>212802383
Goes unmentioned until the third movie but yes.

>>212803566
>>212803523
IIRC Khan knowing Chekov is a plothole caused by a rewrite, I think at some point they went back and retconned it to say Chekov had a minor post on the Enterprise at that time

>>212810409
I don't see why you even need a rewrite it never said when chekov joined he just wasn't a bridge officer at that point

>>212802538
Spock was so heavily made up because TOS was intended to be watched on a 480i 25 inch CRT. But it still works in HD because imagine the confidence you need to make contact with aliens in lipstick and mascara.

>>212810509
From what I recall Chekov was supposed to learn about Khan before setting out to CA5 but the scene got chopped up and mixed around

>>212810876
regardless that doesn't explain why Khan would recognize him unless he was on board during space seed, and their really isn't any reason he couldn't have been

please bros please promise me you won't start talking about nutrek. I don't wanna have to leave /trek/ I have nothing better to do.

>>212802905
It's a map for whales anon

>>212803390
And fucked kirk

>>212804911
>yum yum

>>212800938
The arbitrary warp scale. In TNG, it appeared to be straight cubic, i.e. warp 2 was 8 times the speed of light, warp 3 was 27 times the speed of light, and so on. In Picard's view of the future in the last episode of TNG, Beverly mentioned taking her ship to warp 13. Then Voyager comes along, the scale between warps 9 and 10 go haywire, and warp 10 becomes infinite.

>>212806568
Yeah but STO is memory beta fodder, it's not cannon and not a shield for nutrek faggotry

>>212809224
This is a voyager thread now. Voyager is strong

>>212811699
It's more like a logarithmic scale hence all the 9.998 stuff in later trek. TOS had no hard and fast rules. VOY takes 75 years to travel 70k ly or roughly 1k ly per year or 3 ly per day but I can't remember if this was supposed to be maximum warp.

>>212811856
war crimes make voyager go

>>212811457
No one whi matters wants to talk nutrek anon. I promise

>>212811457
I'm watching nuTrek because I have nothing else going on but I promise not to talk about it as much as I want to kvetch about all the things wrong with it

I am unironically watching The Soprano's for the first time. I regret nothing.

>>212811975
thats cool but sopranos is star wars not star trek.

>>212809403
>He attacked a planet and made it uninhabitable.
He forced the Maquis and Cardassians to trade planets. The Maquis had already made a planet uninhabitable for the Cardassians, so the swap was possible. The really silly part of that resolution is how quickly they were able to evacuate both worlds.

>>212811975
cool their are daily sopranos threads go their

>>212811864
Well Janeway stops to pee at every solar system so even if they were moving at full speed their average speed was like warp 5. Trust me, I have a wife and 3 daughters, you don't give them coffee before road trips

>>212811943
Okay my only kvetch and then I'm done I promise. I've never read Archie comics but SNW is basically as if Star Trek got caught in a transporter accident with Archie comics. End transmission.

>>212811988
What if it was? Tony is Captain sure, but who is his FO? Silvio? Who is Engineering? Who on The Enterprise eats pussy the best besides Data and Riker? I have so many questions.

>>212811457
Bye!

>>212812042
silvio is tony's bones for sure. that zip furio is XO.

>>212809575
Not on my hard drive, I usually just watch shit in order. When I had a vhs player though ...

>>212812009
So then did the Dominion invade federation space to wipe out the Maquis? I remember they were on the Cardassian side of the border but if they switched with the Cardassians wouldn't they be back in Federation territory? Wouldn't it be an egregious act of war for the Dominion to then immediately genocide all the Maquis in Federation territory on behalf of the Cardassians? Why didn't the Federation immediately declare war? I hate how all of this was just basically throwaway dialogue.

>>212811943
Sure sounds like identifying a dead body

>>212812089
fuck off you aren't fooling anyone bashirfaggot

>>212812108
I wasn't trying to you fanook.

Can we reprogram Data with a Jersey accent? Yes or no?

>>212812144
last (you) you schizophrenic loser

>>212812144
NTA but fuck off faggot

>>212809403
What really pushed that episode over the line from merely awful to contemptible was that it doesn't any with any acknowledgement that what Sisko did was wrong or he crossed the line, it ends with Dax laughing it up and treating the Federations morality as a joke.

>>212812198
its not THAT bad, they declared war on federation they get war'd on (peacefully)

>>212812244
Sisko has a near screeching meltdown on the bridge screaming at his people to poison gas a civilians colony and the most reaction it gets out of the entire crew is like a momentary frown before doing it without question

It's no surprise the same guy wrote In the Pale Moonlight, and the DS9 guys were responsible for that wretched scene in First Contact where Beverley (of all people) drops that clunker of a line about how once a Captain gives an order no matter how stupid it is it's too be followed without question

>>212812042
Data shouldn’t count because he doesn’t experience fatigue.
>Why can’t my husband last as long as the FuckBot 5,000?

>>212812339
sisko was right to gas the civilians though

No wonder they aired two episodes of SNW instead of one, Episode 2 feels much more like a season opener than the actual Ep 1 does

>>212812198
Dax was always joking about everything, but yeah that especially tasteless. I'm still dwelling on Pale Moonlight because it's a Starfleet captain basically just accepting that he doesn't care about the most important things about the federation and then that's one thing, but then fans who proclaim to like Trek, they call this the best episode of the series. People can shit on nuTrek but DS9 has more in common with nuTrek than it does with TOS TNG or VOY. In my opinion that and then Section 31 are responsible for everything that was done wrong in nuTrek. Kurtzman is a scapegoat for what began on DS9.

Worf fucks Troi and Jadzia. Don't you think its weird that like two different species hole matches a completely different species key? Like biologically it doesn't seem like fucking an alien would be realistic. Cardassians gotta have fucked up looking dicks ain't no way they having sex with humans.

>>212812418
you can't blame ds9 for shitting on the federation problems that tng introduced.

>>212812418
The funny thing about people constantly whining about current era Trek is it unambiguously treats Section 31 as a bad thing, which DS9 did not do

>>212812418
what sisko did is not shown as being a good thing, its about the compromises made in war, 31 is most definitely not shown as good in any sense

>>212812469
The whole point of DS9 was grey morality. Nothing was treated as bad or good until the end when Dukat was possessed by satan or some wild shit I can't remember I waked and baked.

>>212812454
humanoids all basically have the same structure though
stands to reason that cocks and cunts would be reasonably similar too

>>212812469
>current era Trek unambiguously treats Section 31 as a bad thing,
Are you kidding? It treats S31 as a bunch of girl boss ass-kicking mercenaries

>>212812467
No, the Maquis episodes of TNG definitely should've been resolved better, without it escalating into this huge issue of questioning the entire federation. It's like the SW prequels. People now complain about "the Jedi" when before it was so much better. Just Obi Wan Yoda and Luke. The prequels ruined so much. Taking their storylines at face value and then deciding to root for the Empire is madness. In some cases you SHOULD throw out the baby with the bathwater. I'm not defending TNG in my posts because I don't hold it in the high esteem that some people do. It's good, but TOS is better.

>entire show is about moral ambiguity
>final fight is Bajoran religion good vs evil
That is a wild decision right there. Well at least they didn't end the show with a cut to black.

>>212812522
and the greyer it got, the better it became
In S6E4 (Behind the Lines) where Odo links with the female changeling and it ends up getting Rom the death penalty after he's captured trying to sabotage the mine defusers, and then Odo tells Kira "idgaf bitch, I linked. that's more important" - I almost coomeed.

Redeemed bad character being good is fun but good character becoming bad is virgin snow territory. It was so exciting.
Same goes for all shows really. Game of Thrones was fun when it was greyer at the start but by the end it was Jesus vs Satan which all shitty written shows collapse into inevitably.

>>212812520
Yeah, and my argument is that in Star Trek they should be above having to make evil compromises due to war. They should have found a way to write it BETTER. Its lazy sloppy writing and it hurts all of trek. Voyager comes out unscathed ironically because they were half a galaxy away and couldn't get corrupted by the idiocy.

The best part about section 31 in DS9 is that we the audience are never really sure it even exists. It's not an official branch but it could just as easily be some crime organization or fucking romulan spies again or something. It's a fucking spook story.

>>212812632
95% of the time they did manage to find another solution this was one of the very very few times they didn't, thats why the episode is so highly regarded its the exception rather then the rule, also using Voyager as any kind of example of moral high ground is truly hilarious

>>212812639
Yeah and of course nutrek completely misses the point and makes it an agency for girl bosses

>>212812632
I give up, the "Grey and Grimdark is better storytelling because it just is ok" argument has begun and once again true advanced Trek morality will be the first casualty in the name of entertainment.

>>212809258
>Anon finds out that utopias aren't utopian out of some magic presence but because a very select few people have to pay a high price to maintain utopia

i envy your childlike mindset

>>212812576
Even NuTrek people don't defend that shitty tv movie that makes no sense even compared directly to other NuTrek

>>212812676
Its about sincerity. Something sincerely grey and dark is better than something cynically light hearted.

>>212812678
It's all fiction, dipwad. You can choose to write a functioning utopia if you want to. It's just choices made by Jewish writers in their imaginations. Star Trek TOS is still relevant because they dared to explore a true utopia. If you want Grimdark go literally everywhere else it's been done to death. My mindset is 100x more advanced than yours, so you should envy it.

>>212802905
Dumb phoneposter

>>212809258
Based

>>212812755
In other news I might start posting my thoughts about this season of SNW just to spite you faggots. Episode 2 is silly but God damn it's so refreshing to hear classical whimsical music. It's like, "oh that's right, that's what happiness feels like."

>>212812755
>blahblah jews jews
disregarded go enjoy your childrens cartoons

>>212812808
It was quicker than calling them elitist east coast left wingers.

>>212807976
how the fuck do you have all this fancy nonsense and then say this is 10 years before Captian Kirk's 5 year mission?
Why couldn't they have just set it in the future, beyond TNG-DS9-VOY years?

Enterprise did such a good job making it look shitty enough vs other Treks but still futuristic from our POV.
Then SNW/DIS just shits all over that beccause they don't care.

>>212812975
based 30 rock fan

>>212812996
>dis

>>212812674
NuTrek had S31 as the villains of an entire season of tv, showed they were completely misguided, not competent, frequently malicious and caused more harm directly to Starfleet and the Federation than any good their supposed defense did. They achieve nothing. Hell a person from the Mirror Universe even looked at them and said "fuck this I'm out" and joined a ship overbearingly earnest Starfleet dorks opposing them instead.

This is counter to DS9 where they were hyper competent, their actions integral to the survival of the entire Alpha Quadrant, their actions given tactic approval and protection by Starfleet proper, and the worst thing said about them was that they gave some characters the ick. Note they became the Doctors project instead of the Captain because that guy would be right at fucking home in the org with the Hard Man Making Hard Decisions crap they end up doing with him.

The Section 31 'movie' is nonsensical. Treating them as some kind of Suicide Skwad doesn't fit with anything, it doesn't even make sense for the two main characters that join it in that thing to do so from everything we know of them either

>>212802454
Space may be 3D but our spiral galaxy is 2D enough to make such a map possible.

>>212812996
They're making a show in 2025, not jerk off material for something from the 1960's.
The Constitution class showing up in Enterprise looking like it was animated by someone who worked on Babylon 5 wasn't impressive, it just looked like shit

>>212813004
High-fiving a million angels

oh here's the nutrekfag who gets mad at everyone who says it's shit

It must be comforting to convince yourself everyone who disagrees with you is one guy

>>212804688
T'Lyn is hot because she's Space Daria.

>>212813123
keep seething troon

>>212813094
30 Rock, DS9 and Sopranos are probably my most rewatched TV shows.

>>212813165
I just wish she was a bit less manic and over the top

>>212813178
TNG, The Sopranos and KOTH

John DeLancie cameo what whaat

>>212813178
I've seen 30 Rock a stupid amount of times. Something about it where the finale somehow dovetails right into the pilot.

The Dubsminion has endured for 2,000 /trek/ threads and will continue to endure long after my return post and love for Bashirfag is known

>>212813444
Yelgrun worst Vorta

>>212813444
Iggy Shiggy

>>212813444
PRAISE THE FOUNDERS

>>212813165
Me I like the cold depressed brooding La'an Noonien Singh.

You're five minutes into the away mission when she turns to you and says this. How do you respond?

>>212800541
Dax is a cute!

So did episode 2 all but confirm that Trelaine is a Q? The bartender wedding planner character fucking nailed his Trelaine impression and then his dad was voiced by John DeLancie. Oh right, nuTrek isn't canon. I still think Trelaine was something like a Q.

>>212813546
I've got my mission woman

>>212813546
I take it out.

>>212813579
Not everything has to be connected. Yes, in fan circles they always assume that Trelane is a Q but that's stupid and contrived. There are varying levels of powerful beings in the Trekverse. Trelane needed his "mirror machine" to supplement his powers. Q use the power of will alone.

Am I retarded for watching The Next Generation as my first entry into Star Trek?

>>212813707
it's a good place to start

>>212813725
I am really enjoying the pilot so far, but I am a lore autist and don't want to miss any of the allusions to past Trek media.

>>212813515
What about a defrosted, nice La'an

>>212813657
Exactly there are all manner of god level beings in the universe its incredibly lazy and boring to just make them all Q

>>212813657
inb4 they canonize "V'ger met the Borg/created the Borg" too as if there can only be one race of machines in a galaxy as big as ours

>>212813657
According to google the character in SNW 3x02 actually was a younger Trelane. And then his dad was voiced by John DeLancie.

>>212813760
doesn't matter cuz you'll end up watching everything multiple times anyway. TOS doesn't have all that "lore" to learn anyway

>>212813832
Not canon.

>>212813840
that much*

>>212813778
I liked the way she looked in the episode but I prefer her when she's brooding.

>>212813707
Nope

>>212813857
Tell it to the magistrate.

What about that godlike entity who exterminated every Husnock because they killed his wife?

>>212813904
What about him?

>>212813923
obviously he was a Q

>>212813904
Q everything is Q, the survivor, nagellum, the caretaker, gary mitchell the organians the prophets all Q, also every single android in the univere was created by Soong or one of his ancestors every single one of them, see isn't it more fun this way?

>>212813999
You are getting mad at something your own schizo mind invented

>>212813899
If it's not made by any of these people it's not canon
>Gene Roddenberry
>Gene L. Coon
>D.C. Fontana
>Harve Bennett
>Nicholas Meyer
>Rick Berman
>Michael Piller
>Ira Steven Behr
>Ronald D. Moore
>Robert Hewitt Wolfe
>Jeri Taylor
>Brannon Braga
>Joe Menosky
>Kenneth Biller
>Matty Coto

>>212814019
also every machine intelligence that isn't an android was created by the borg, look at all the fun we are having

>>212813999
I don't care about all that jazz I'm just reporting what they did in the episode and how it was funny to hear John DeLancie talking to Trelane in the guise of a glowing green gas-ball.

>>212813999
Yeah every Soong ancestor is present at key historical events and they're always Brent Spiner, I clap every time

>>212814072
sounds retarded good thing I don't subject myself to nu-shit

>>212814072
Isnt he a draconiqus?

>>212814045
*Manny Coto
phoneposting butchered that

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>>212800571
It wasn’t that bad. Being obsessed with the Bajorans was part of his character from the beginning. Imagine how much bajoran slave pussy he would have gotten if the bajoran’s satans took over with his help. Also the ending of the Dominion war was kino