Thread 212822732

>>212814212
>>212814212
>>212814212

All Trek after 2005 sucks, no exceptions

>>212822762
You're based for being correct.

>>212822732 (OP)
kek I will always save Nu Trek hate images

>>212822762
Was Star Trek: Beyond a little bit above "sucks"? I think it's the exception that proves the rule.

>>212824051
beyond is the worst one

>>212824051
When Beyond came out, everyone thought that Star Trek is finally starting to get back to its roots a bit. And then Discovery happened. And Picard, Lower Drecks, Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy followed.
Now I can't see Star Trek ever coming back.

>>212822762
>turn on plutotv
>SNW

>>212824051
NO EXCEPTIONS

>>212824288
>plutotv
Stop giving Paramount more allowance money

>>212823527
this had to be soul destroying for those nutrek actors

>>212824388
They're getting paid for this. I wish they'd rather not, because it would be so fucking funny if one of them went broke over this.

>>212824428
don't you have to actually want to go to these con things? do they really force you?

>>212824428
well they sure aren't getting paid if no-ones paying for their signature. Maybe they are getting their rooms comped...maybe. Lmao they deserve it bunch of fucking faggots

does starfleet have marines

>>212824428
They get paid a small appearance fee with the understanding that they'll be charging like 50 dollars+ for pictures and autographs and whatever merchandise they bring which is how you really make money at public appearances.

>>212824519
pre federation earth has macos with see through tank tops

>>212824718
the real money is is private bedroom appearances

Not liking Spock's incel arc on SNW

>>212824805
of course they made Spock an incel.

>>212824805
The female writers don't know how to write a character as nuanced as Spock so they just assume he's a quirky aspie like Sheldon from BBT

>>212824936
>>212824927
>>212824805
Why are Redditors eating this slop up?

>>212824332
if i could figure out how to borrow a couple billion dollars I would buy paramount and shutter everything except pluto and cbs. id make my money back in a year

>>212824959
they sōyface for any new product, we know this, it can be the most dire shit ever but they don't care

>>212824959
>why are redditors gigantic retarded gigafaggots?
What else do they have in life? That is their entire existence, it's all they ever had.

>>212824727
not nutrek

>>212824959
Reddit is just a shill site at this point.

>>212824288
you can tell nutrek is a big success because they can afford to show it for free. those losers at apple and netflix and hulu and HBO could never

>>212824051
I remember it had motorbike stunts and they reused a beasty boys song... thats not star trek brother

>Little Vulcan hapa getting cucked by Big White Human Cock
What did they mean by this?

>>212825272
Vulcan muscles are 3-5x stronger than humans, meaning the vagina too. She probably bruised it. Think twice before you cross species.

>>212824519
Nah. They're lame boring hippies that don't like power armor, explosive guns, or genetic engineering.

>>212825345
>Go to grab her hair
>pull it
>break fingers
>screen in pain
>turn quickly
>sprain your penis
>scream again
>do a spin
>pass out
I've had worse

>>212823527
Comfy

>>212824051
I have no idea because Ive never touched it after uno reverse Wrath Of khan

>>212824519
They do but I think they are only mentioned in books and never featured on any of the shows

>>212822732 (OP)
Bohannon used to be cool. What a bum of an artist.

>>212825585
Actors are ultimately whores. It's why they used to share the same profession more or less.

Diplomacy is cringe. War crimes are based.

>>212825627
ok thank you Garak

>>212825626
used to?

>>212823527
>they told Mr I'd be making a lifetime of residuals and fan money

>>212825627
Forcing democracy and negotiation by outsmarting your enemy's vitriol and aggression is Star Trek and they don't get it anymore. They lose it at step one: Requiring the best of the best

>>212825658
Fair point

>>212825627
Only if you win, Dukat.

>>212825708
The shit now has no nuance. Measure of a man is good because despite the science officer being cartoonishly evil, they still let him get his day in court and had Riker make his case. And in some respects he had a point you could understand. They wrote it as somewhat of a grey area that you'd have to think through. Nutrek is just retarded villains being evil unless their girl boss witches and every gets a chance to dress down picard, our hero, because he wanted to send some space boats to a refugee crisis. It's not clever or deep, it's just surface level tension with a bunch of retards quiping or yelling to make it seem important.

>>212825172
nutrek shills have always been something else but lmao wtf

That means the broadcast rights were so cheap that pluto could afford them and paramount is so desperate for money they sold said rights

>>212825514
Neex

>>212825665
>they told me I didn't need residuals or fan money. They told me I was going to be Hollywood royalty.

>>212824935
This anon really did not smell what the Rock was cooking.

>>212824051
The only JJ trek I liked was Into Darkness. Beyond is Guardians of the Galaxy tier quippy reddit slop. The first in the trilogy is just unmemorable.

>>212823527
I kind of feel bad for them. You can't expect anyone to give a shit about nutrek when you put a legend from the TNG era shows on the same bench. An Jeffery Combs has played like four different iconic characters.

>>212827506
>haha i liked the worst of the bunch
Negative IQ confirmed.

>>212827042
>I am the bull god

>>212827551
Hell yeah

>>212827601
I think it's overhated because it follows Wrath of Khan so much, but it has the most actually interesting stuff going on. The first one is just Romulans being evil, no actual Romulan-like subterfuge or anything that makes them interesting. Beyond is literally just a bad Guardians flick where the story barely makes sense and it's 50% quips. Into Darkness actually has shit like moral quandries and ethical questions, which is what I like in Trek. And I think that Khan genuinely comes across as an unstoppable genetic augment who really feels like a one man army.

I don't care, I like it.

>>212823527
I'll never understand these things. Why would I want to make small talk with these people and pay for the privilege? Even if I met gay doctor whenever I brought it up people would be thinking Julian.

>>212827551
sorry no this is a retarded take. Jeffrey Combs being there doesn't stop anyone from also getting into their line before or after. you think people go to these things and choose EXACTLY one person for a signature and then it's magically impossible to get one from someone else? don't be stupid.

>>212827753
>the plot ends when spock blows up the (empty) khan torpedoes but jewjew needs to insert 20 more action scenes so it does that dumb shit where the enterprise starts crashing, kirk literally kicks the warp core, spock screams KHAAAAAANNNNN, and then punches benedict cucumber on flying garbage trucks

>>212827785
Checked. I went to a small comic convention and they had one Phil Lamar and the sister (not Gena davis, kit?) from a league of their own. I wasn't in either line but Lamar had a giant line because of all of his voice work. Not Gena Davis had no line andnyou could hear her saying "I don't know why no one wants to come see me" and I thought "oh I know"

>>212827785
you have to pay per signiture, so yes, lots of people will only choose one or two people they want a signiture from, and of course they are going to pick the legend over nu-trek actors

>>212827852
The other two also have the action scenes but without the semblance of plot at least. I get not liking it but I don't see how it's the worst of the three.

>>212827956
If Nana Visitor and Avery Brooks were in those other seats those people would be leaving that room 200 dollars poorer or whatever. The people who go to these things are not fucking brokies

>>212827912
Turns out Phil Lamar turned out to be a gigantic faggot

why are all the DS9 reunions/conventions sans Avery?
Did he hate all of them?

To my knowledge he's still friends with Cirroc Lofton

>>212827912
You didn’t just say lori petty because that was pretty big name. And it’s because she’s just about completely unrecognizable now.

>>212828002
There's barely any plot in Into the Toilet either, it's just random action scenes. One of them was even ripped off from the previous movie (space diving). It's barely Star Trek, it's more like Mission: Impossible.

>>212828008
Yeah because then you have two legends, so people are more likely to shell out more. The point is, if you've just spent money on a Combs signiture, spending more money on a nutrek person is obviously going to seem moot. You already have the cool one, why would you then go for the leftovers? If you put people on the same level next to each other, people are more likely to pay for more signitures.
>The people who go to these things are not fucking brokies
Doesn't mean you want to pay for something not interesting.

>>212828123
i like da seen where da big ship come up behind da enterpriss and is go "WUB WUB WUB WUB" :D

>>212828183
It has nothing to do with spending money or not it's because no one wants their fucking signature because no one fucking cares about them. They probably wouldn't even get in line for a FREE one because their time is more valuable.

>>212823527
What are these for?
What do they do?

>>212828123
What makes Abrams Trek really lame to me is because no one involved really "got" Star Trek, they just depict the future as being just like current day but with starships and flying cars. Complete with shitty product placement.

>>212828272
It's the person who gestures you forward, tells you when to leave, and explains the pricing so the celebrity doesn't have to "lower themselves" to such activities, and can pretend they're above the whole thing and aren't actually extorting people for ridiculous prices.

i actually doubt there's any overlap between nutrek enjoyers and Jeffrey Combs appreciators. it's like enjoying both a 5 star meal and rotten dogshit. makes no sense.

>>212828225
I feel like people would give them pity attention if it were free. I just think putting a legend next to scrubs is a bad move, that's all. Textbook upstaging.

>>212828368
these cons make me hate the actors more desu

>>212828089
>lori petty was a big name
Sure she was in league of their own and 90s singlecitycore movies. By 2019, when she was at the comic-con no one cared to remember her name.

>>212828552
There really isn't a lot to like about actors in general, anon. They're typically complete morons and narcissists.

>>212828489
>nutrek is so desperate for diversity + leeching off TOS's popularity they made Doctor M'Benga a major character

isn't he in literally one episode of TOS?
crazy

>>212828368
Dangerously based. Imagine having to deal with these fucking plebs yourself.

>>212828602
2 episodes at least

>>212828123
Wasn't half the plot the federation building a big ship? Like it was really big.

>>212828044
He takes himself way too seriously and doesn’t care much for money. Half cringe half based.

how long are Casey Biggs' lines?

good god

>>212828723
Reads like a destroyed ship's log, like we just discovered the wreck of the USS Nu Trek floating in space

>>212828723
>Prodigy
what the FUCK is that

>>212828795
Nickelodeon kids show with janeway

>>212822762
Shatner going into actual space is the only post-Enterprise Star Trek I recognize.

>>212828795
The best Trek series made since 1999. So of course Paramount cancelled it and didn't even want to air S2 until Netflix bought it off them.

>>212828723
Holy fuck, that's a lot of SHIT they made, like, what the fuck.

>>212828845
>Pixarslop
Anon, get the fuck out. You're one heartbeat away from being a cartoonfag.

>>212828602
Well to be fair this isn't a remake of TOS it is a prequel. The problem with SNW isn't they're using some minor characters from TOS. The problem is it is terrible TV in every possible way. The only thing the show has going for it is Anson Mount is generally a likeable actor. But that will only take you so far with dialog and writing like this(every episode is filled with at least 30 minutes of it).

>>212828922
why is the camera always moving? did the trolly break and they couldnt afford to replace it?

>>212829051
Its to simulate the psychological effect of being forced to stand there and listen to women talk.

>>212828922
why is the situation so dire? did something just blow up? they look terrified but what they're saying is mundane.

>>212824519
wasn't obrien a marine or something

>>212829810
ENT cannibalized TNG's blurb....scary....

>>212829810
>Archer and friends find a ghost ship full of Vulcan zombies.

>>212829895
If you liked that episode, next week's SNW is Pike and friends find a ghost ship full of Klingon Zombies.

>>212829846
tng gets cut off sometimes, ds9 gets out of order eps occasionally

>>212829912
i did NOT like that episode for a matter of fact

>>212829810
What?

>>212829573
Gorn have just kidnapped hundreds of colonists to use as food and broodmares.

Luckily at the end of the episode they beam them all back in a few seconds while shields are at full and being pounded by extreme levels of radiation.

This is where you may think "Oh, they added Scotty to the cast, so I expect he does some transporter wizardy to justify this.". No. At no point is the idea any of these factors might make transportation difficult ever addressed.

>>212829955
the episode that made them bust obrien from lt to enlisted

>>212830005
They could have used the teleporter that gives you space-cancer. You know, that one:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Folded-space_transporter

However, that would require the people writing this slop know a thing or two.

I think one thing that really hamper Trek writers is how they've made the universe small and two dimensional.

Wesley says Starfleet has only explored 19% of the galaxy in season 2 of TNG to that really cute monster shapeshifter. season 2 is in 2365. so by 2378 (the end of Voyager) basically all of it's explored. they jumped from warp speed to Ludacris speed

Voyager really pushed Trek into a corner not only spatially but technologically. there is nothing left to explore.
take an alpha quadrant species like the Zalkonians. they completely pwn the Enterprise. they're basically the alien of the week and never heard from again. that's fine but you really can't do that in a galaxy that's now been completely quantified and measured.

Voyager took the vastness out of space.

I'm not saying it couldn't be saved but Trek is now a mix of nostalgia bait, Star Wars pew pew, lazy easter eggs, interpersonal conflict.

it isn't hard but modern writers are kind of shit when it comes to science fiction and capturing the sense of exploration and humanity's continual betterment.


>find Iconian gate way that leads only to LMS
it's a midge galaxy nearest our own.
complete and totally fertile ground to play on.
Federation builds an outpost and station near the gateway. the gateway isn't large enough for ships to pass, so they build the ship there on the outpost colony.

no fucking easter eggs, none of that Dax I fucked everybody important shit. Dax was so annoying with that shit but DS9 had good writers and she was hot so it was tolerable but still annoying. none of the characters need to have any connections to or mentions of Spock or anybody.

I mean if the want to have somebody like Tim Russ be the commander of the outpost that's fine for a few cameos but it should it's own thing.

in this setting they don't have to worry about continuity nearly as much, just basic in universe shit. it's really fucking simple

>>212828723
the long night

>>212830111
It's easy enough to solve, though. How many galaxies exist in our universe?

Just go extra-galactic and the exploration content is quite literally infinite.
Could find some crazy wormhole or fold in space that gets you from one galaxy to another or anything like that, really.
All of the technology in Star Trek only exists for plot devices.

>>212830111
there is no such thing as unknown space

Are any of the trek cookbooks worth a damn?

>>212830210
wait shit i meant NO unknown space

>>212830111
>incoherent schizo ramblings
You know, this is why I come here.

>>212829955
>and that's why you always check "cremate" when you sign your starfleet life insurance contract

>>212830303
That was definitely a ramble but it was pretty coherent.

one of the jokes about ai is that its trained on women's books and thats why the output has so much slop. i was skimming the trek dark passions books by susan something and have never seen so many 'ai isms' in one place

>>212829955
>sorry captain now that you're in the body of a child I can't take orders from you. I'm gonna call my twin clone brother

>>212828593
No it’s really down to how she looks more like tig notaro these days than tank girl.

Most people didn't know who the fuck The Rock was until his movie career.
No amount of
>muh attitude era
cope
is going to change the fact that the majority of people saw and see wrestling as fake and gay soap opera for rednecks, fags and children.

i watched tank girl so many times as a kid because i was obsessed with jet girl. even as a grew up i never stopped loving Naomi Watts

>>212830190
Voyager the next generation is just the 7 year journey between galaxies. Maybe start with a fleet movement and widdle it down to just the voyager-II

>>212830111
Voyager barely scratched the surface of that quadrant. You're full of shit if you act like it's all explored. Fuck off.

>>212830327
>starts with how big space is
>covers how VOY changed that (which it didn't, lol)
>goes over to iconian shenanigans (brilliant)
>immediately bitches about Dax fucking everyone but him
>"this is coherent, anon"
Ok.png

the Gamma Quadrant wasn't ever really explored either it was literally just there to give exposition for the Dominion and wasn't believable as a real place

>>212830327
trek has been shit for years, I haven't been to a /trek/ thread in a while because I couldn't stand nutrek fantroons. basically, it was like busting a nut after a long time of not doing it.

absolutely a rant

>>212830461
Cool uniformed opinion assmad zoomie

>>212830573
First Gamma Quadrant alien through the wormhole was Tosk who was great.
But then they got lazy and made many other aliens just humans with forehead bumps.

At least the Changelings, Vorta and (especially) Jem'Hadar look cool though.

getting ready to rewatch picard

>>212830872
Awe, that's rough. Feel for you anon

/trek discussion
>5% TOS
>75% TNG & DS9
>15% Voyager
>0% Enterprise
>5% nu-trek

why do you hate enterprise so much bros

>>212830818
idk the name of these dudes but I'm surprised they didn't hunt changelings for sport instead. imagine the challenge. that would've been based like imagine that episode where Laas or whatever is name is shows up and then those guys are hunting him

>>212830979
>hunt changelings for sport

>>212830977
You missed the last thread anon, you can also bring up ENT non passive aggressively

>>212831038
that's Gul Dukat's fault. Toskbro race is built different.

>>212830977
As always, the intro song killed it.

>>212830749
>resorting to "oomerisms"
The mark of a retard, enjoy your wrasslin' faglord.

>>212830977
>why do you hate enterprise so much bros
i've been posting about that very topic for weeks. i'm taking a break before I finish the "Journey to Babel"-like arc. I'm just tired of 2 and 3 parters all in a row

>>212831105
NTA, but it's clear you're the pakled here

>>212830977
ENT was unironically the first of nutrek.

>>212831183
um impossible given that a TNG movie overlapped with it

>>212830977
>TOS tied with NuTrek
Most illogical.
But TNG/DS9 get the most discussion because they have the most relatable characters and the most content. Overall, they’re the most Engaging.

>>212831183
Meh, i see your point. It's the first prequel schlock and set the tone that people are only want rehashes of TOS. But it's also the burnout point of the bermanverse, and it's a Bermanverse-core show. Its a jumping off point for sure but there's lot of shit I like in ENT.

>>212831076
if by killed it you mean KILLED IT then yeah
*singing apu png* I GOT FAITH, OF THE HEART

late show canceled. nutrek is fucked

>>212832182
It’s because of the Skydance merger. But SNW getting double cancelled and ending after season three would be funny.

>>212823527
They just wanted to see AGIMUS

>>212830977
>why do you hate enterprise so much bros
Because look at the picture you posted. Literally every one of them has a look on their face like a toddler in some stage of shitting their diaper.

>>212830977
Pretty sure there are at least 2 anons doing a watch through of ENT right now, not including me who is also watching it on and off and is at the start of S2. I see a lot of ENT discussion, although to be fair a lot of it is negative.

I guess it isn't discussed as much on the whole because most of the people who really like it seem to just be coomers who want to post T'Pol sideboob and they don't really have anything to discuss about the show.

>>212832182
Ahahahah Late show cancelled is the best news I've seen all year.

>>212831140
>NTA
Sure thing buddy. Let's look at the numbers of two shows that run at roughly the same span (late 1990s).

WWF RAW achieved numbers of 4 - 8 million viewership during the attitude era

Star Trek Voyager, for comparison debuted at 21 Million, hit its lowest with a 4 - 6 million viewership and got back up to around 8 - 10 with the introduction of Seven of Nine, then dropped down again to 4 - 6.

Now Voyager is considered a FAILURE by most people with low viewership yet it did pretty good or on par compared to THE ABSOLUTE HEIGHT OF WRESTLING. This revisionism by wrestling fans that everyone was watching the attitude era is preposterous and downright false.
I was there, I was the key audience. I owned an nWo shirt, I knew one guy who owned an Austin 3:16 shirt and a few who knew who wrestlers were (Goldberg, Austin, Hogan, Rock) but the majority of people didn't give a fuck and if asked could only very likely name Hulk Hogan as a wrestler that they had heard of.
Voyager had a viewership on the level as WWF Raw so by your metric where are all those millions of fans and merch owners proudly displaying their love of Voyager?

>>212833105
>want to post T'Pol sideboob
Logical

>>212833420
>made up numbers
>lack of cultural context
>doesn't know what network tv was
Pure pakled

>>212833590
I accept your concession

>>212833420
Not that I have a horse in your race but uh... it's not really that close

>>212833420
>>212827078

>>212833680
The only concession was when your anus conceded to AIDS

>>212833731
Taking into account the entire run; Voyager was getting 4 - 8 Nielsen ratings in the years before 97 when WWF Raw was scraping by on a 1 - 1.5

>>212833731
and CHATGPT isn't entirely reliable, it might be taking into account the other wrestling show with its numbers.

>>212834098
>>212834207
I actually think it's fair to combine the two and that's a great idea because what's being discussed is ultimately what was more popular, wrestling in the 90s or Voyager?
Looks like wrestling to me but it's surprising how well Voyager performs. Just goes to show what a massive runaway hit TNG really was.

>>212833731
>>212834098
>>212834316
What surprises me the most about all of this is that Seven of Nine didn't seem to help Voyager's ratings at all. No wonder Mulgrew was pissed.

>>212832182
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

>>212833420
DS9 was the biggest Berman era failure by far. For syndication its numbers were downright abysmal and represents the single largest drop in Star Trek viewership of all time. It was barely higher than Voyager and Enterprise which were network shows.

>>212834452
It's a show twenty years too early, built for streaming

>>212834098
>>212834452
Looks like the main difference between the two is that DS9 had a much steeper decline, most likely due to the really high pilot numbers, but started to even out, buoyed a little in its final years -- whereas Voyager is entirely convex where DS9 is concave and while it doesn't tumble as steeply, it basically tumbles consistently for its entire run. Surprisingly ENT even'd out a little bit in the middle then fell off a fucking cliff.

>>212834538
>most likely due to the really high pilot numbers
This >>212834452 is based on average viewership.

>>212834645
>this one says Voyager's debut was like 20+ million, all of the others show it much lower
Really, ratings information is super goddamn unreliable is all this is teaching me. also, who gives a shit.

Picard doesn't actually like or respect Worf as a mind, but Riker does.

Another thing to take into account with DS9/VOY viewership is not only was VOY network but also it aired during a time when tv viewership absolutely cratered due to an explosion of new networks. VOY performed extremely well and DS9 really, really underperformed. One thing to note is that due to the ongoing transfer of Star Trek rights during that time, DS9 had a deal where it was completely untouchable by Viacom and since it couldn't be cancelled the writers were given huge amounts of leeway. I love DS9 and its been vindicated in recent times but you have to understand that it was almost completely revilved in its time and VOY was easily the third most popular Star Trek of all time.

>>212834765
it follows the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_Voyager_episodes

>>212834788
>DS9 had a deal where it was completely untouchable by Viacom and since it couldn't be cancelled the writers were given huge amounts of leeway.
I know for a fact that this isn't true, though, because I've heard multiple people say DS9 was intended to stop at S5 and only continued when Michael Dorn agreed to continue on the show (from Behr, Berman, and also Dorn himself). I don't remember the source for the first two but Dorn says it on his Shuttlepodcast episode with Trip and Malcolm.

>>212834765
>>212834829
After TNG ended and DS9 had been solo for a time the Star Trek viewerbase was starving for a traditional series.

>>212834788
Where I live, at least, DS9 aired on UPN alongside Voyager. I believe it moved there in January '95 right as VOY premiered. In other markets they'd air DS9 on their local NBC affiliate at like 11 PM. Trek always got shafted.

I think it's time we discuss Ensign Tendi.

>>212834915
No, fuck Tendi. I want to know why Tuvok didn't murderise Neelix.

>>212834775
picard never has to consider tactics, worf is completely out of his scope

>>212835084
>fuck Tendi.
God WOULD I?!?

>>212834869
>DS9 was intended to stop at S5
>only continued when Michael Dorn agreed to continue on the show
That's the first time I've ever heard that. That seems extremely strange that the entire show hinged on Dorn.

>>212834915
there isn't enough lower decks smut desu

>>212823527
What's going on

>>212835103
>>212834915
Repugnant art style

are there any series or movies you can skip? i want to start watching

>>212834765
Nielson points aren't counted as 1 = 1 million viewers. Generally double it, and I think this confuses Chatgpd by looking at what that anon is posting.
Voyager scored around a 12 point debut which equals 20 million +
It ended with 2 - 4 point which equals around 5 mil

>>212824332
No

>>212834452
And now, people praise DS9 for being the better show due to its consistency and the comfiness of findin characters in familiar places at all times.

Quark's bar is my favorite locale of DS9, to the shock fucking no-one and my second favorite was the casino with Vic Fontaine. that shit was classy. loved the hell out of that place, especially that whole episode with the heist.

>>212835084
What is the name of Tuvoks band?

>>212835255
>Quark's bar is my favorite locale of DS9
Based
>my second favorite was the casino with Vic Fontaine
Maximum cringe. Holoslop was the worst part of DS9 other than the baseball episode.

>>212835284
you're maximum cringe, faggot

>>212835084
if he had, he'd have been promoted, I think Tuvok was content with the responsibilities he already had considering he was the unofficial Tard Wrangler

>>212835084
Tuvok and Neelix are best friends
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhTEB7xM90

>>212835277
TND: Total Neelix Death

>>212828602
>TOS Dr. M'Benga: mild-mannered African-American doctor
>SNW Dr. Um'Bongo: coal black African psycho who loves murdering Klingons so much he concocts drugs to do it more efficiently
This is practically another raceswap.

>>212835382
nutrek is fucking racist

this is me >>212835255
I am not >>212835326 and i only partially agree, most of the holoslop was what it was: slop.

the vic holo episodes are good. the bashir ones are shit.

Naomi Wildman

>>212835255
>And now, people praise DS9 for being the better show
I think DS9 fans are just the most vocal. Even in the streaming era TOS, TNG and VOY had more views than DS9.

>>212835499
Bashir was only good when he was doing his assignedjob on station. good af doctor, but a pretty shit character until he got to have a taste of humble pie, then he mellowed down

>>212835178
I appreciate the effort that must've went into coloring each letter and sparkle of "primary colors".

One of the gayer things here is the way people can say things that are the opposite of true, but everyone will talk around it and accept the framing uncritically .

>>212835556
no because his absolute best episode is when he is trying to cure the blight planet.

>>212835585
>>212835556
bashir's best episode is nor the battle and he's not even really the main character.

wait... people don't like the Bashir Bond holodeck episode?

>>212835585
yes. this is factual, i forgot about it, good point anon, you conveyed my point in a better fashion. he was at his best doing his job. period.

>>212835700
FUUUUUUUUUUCK NO.
that shit was ASS!

>>212835647
I like the ones with the savants.

>>212835700
that was a fun one

>>212832182
I'm literally shaking with so much fucking schadenfreude.

>>212822732 (OP)
There's something I couldn't put my finger on but I finally figured it out.
Nurse Chapel is adult Snood.

>>212835129
Check out that Shuttlecast or whatever the fuck they call it with Dorn, he speaks on it.

They were only planning to go 5 seasons with DS9 because it had been such a ratings bomb and was just falling off a cliff. The target was 100 episodes for the purpose of profiting off of syndication, just getting it there, but then they heard Dorn was available and interested in working on a show again, so they extended DS9 three more seasons.

>>212835798
Fucking kek.

>>212835798
colbert dood wat nou

>>212835777
checked

>>212835700
weren't there 2 of them?

>their corporate overlord is slowly being taken by the orange man
What are they feeling right now?

>>212835891
Imagine what they could have done if they had gotten rid of Slagzia sooner and given us more seasons of Ezri.

>>212836083
It's just a regime change like normal. The in group installs their own while kicking out those who aren't in their clique. Welcome to politics and economy. None of them are good for you, peon.

>>212835798
nice

Skydance will make Star Trek straight again.

>>212836099
>what if the Dax-slug who fucks anything that moves was given to someone else EARLIER
More time for Ezri to whore around, that is what would have happened.

>>212836244
All the whore tendencies came from Jadzia. Ezri was always cute and pure.

>>212836099
If they had gotten rid of Jadzia sooner I would hope that the writers would’ve come up with a more interesting character. I know that Ezri only gets one season and that’s she’s more sheepish and insecure compared to jadzia, but another brunette in a starfleet uniform always seemed to me little more than a lazy replacement character. Should’ve gone in a wildly different direction in my opinion.

>>212836299
Is that Robert Picardo before going bald?

>>212836312
>the only thing I notice about them is their hair color
Most intelligent Jadzia poster.

>>212836328
no

>>212828878
Aside from Discovery season 1 and Picard season 1 I managed to avoid and come out of that unscathed by the rest of the shit they pooped out

at first we had a worthless boring character who is there to fuck Worf but then all of a sudden we had another worthless boring character who is there to fuck Worf WHILE secretly wanting to fuck Bashir too. so you see, it's SOOOOO much better.

>>212836350
Would.

>>212836264
That is some weird cope, but I allow it. Dax has been a slut for at least a century, before Jadzia got it.

>>212822732 (OP)
How is strange new worlds still a thing

It’s like 1 good episode per 4 episodes of garbage

>>212836635
you dont measure "content" by good or bad only quantity and ideology

>>212836635
>1 good episode

>>212835798
Tankie Trek lost. Millions must rewatch TNG.

The Gorn ship: what if that one scene from Zardoz, but that other scene from the Matrix?

>>212822732 (OP)
>be 2260
>play wham

wtf?

>>212836670
>>212837117
I can’t explain it, i hate strange new worlds but I also kinda like it

>>212837644
must be some kind of a brain tumor

>>212837333
>If only you knew how bad things really are

Why hasn't Ellison fired Kurtzman yet?

>>212837773
contracts?

>>212837822
>contracts
can be terminated prematurely
especially during mergers

I want to know more about the progenitors. This concept was too good for just one episode, it could have been used in a two parter or even a movie.

Changelings are also among their descendants, right?

>>212838339
>This concept was too good for just one episode
it's really not, it's not even an original idea. also no, the Changelings are literally not even solid.

>>212838339
That's one of the worst Star Trek episodes ever. I hate them and I hate you for liking that SHIT.

>>212838339
Almost as bad as the "power of love weapon" episode

>>212838339
their legacy is the entire plot of the final season of std
it's as bad as it sounds if not worse

>>212838424
changelings were once solids themselves before they gained the ability to transform

>>212834915
>>212835103
rick and morty knock off #241135

>>212838339
I've written a 140 page Star Trek TNG movie script that deals with the legacy of ancient races. I'm waiting for AI to get good as I can turn it into a movie for you guys.

>>212836299
Hey that's my girlfriend

>>212836264
Bermancore photo

i apologize for thinking snw s3 would be good
please forgive me

>no Lawrence of Arabia styled Star Trek episode
>a starfleet captain isn't forced to execute someone in order to keep an alien coalition intact
What a tragedy

>>212839585
Only took you three years to figure out what everyone knew the moment STD first aired.

>>212838339
Correct

>>212839585
You're more hopeful than me, I half paid attention to 4 episodes of STD and watched a season of picard and decided I wasn't the target audience. I have no idea who is

>>212839607
i will accept criticism and ire, i deserve it
but disco was an absolute fucking trash fire, it had no redeeming qualities

whereas snw was both watchable and even enjoyable some times. some of the eps are good (the standalone ones where it isnt self indulgent garbage), just adventures in space.

>>212822762
>All Trek after 2005 sucks, no exceptions
*blocks you're path*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOZFny7F50

>>212839679
>I half paid attention to 4 episodes of STD and watched a season of picard
the shows are all drastically different in content and tone. im not encouraging you to run out and watch anything, just saying they aint similar.

>>212839698
>whereas snw was both watchable and even enjoyable some times
You're blinded by memberberries. It's just STD rebranded and you got punked.

>>212839740
They were close enough in insulting me as a trek fan that I haven't watched anymore of their nutrek schlock.

>>212839721
If we're counting stuff like that then Star Trek Continues is also a good post-2005 Trek

>>212839764
>It's just STD rebranded
std was diversityslop, it was more about the characters being snowflakes than the actual space faring adventure and encountering cool shit. snw fellates the whole spock thing a lot but like i said, when its just space adventures its fine. when they want to do overarching or continuing plotlines it falls apart (klingon war trauma, gorn shit).

but im not going to keep defending it, s3 made me realize that its gonna degrade in orbit till it explodes.

>>212840001
>std was diversityslop
So is Strange New Women, my man.

>>212839596
A Starfleet captain would never do that.
Unless it takes place on Star Trek: Voyager that is

>>212840117
oh man i said i wouldnt defend it but i cant help myself
theres a clear difference - in disco, annoying and unlikeable characters are worshiped by the show and they try to push the unlikeability or snowflakeness as positives. the show has no moral compass, character flaws and mistakes are ignored, no one learns a lesson, etc. literal mirror universe space hitler becomes a normal crew member / good guy just because. the MC is an insufferable POS who's just a mary sue that is never humbled. most of the cast are completely unrelatable

ortega looks gay, and sort of androgynous. but she just acts like a normal character, shes flawed (kinda boisterous and overconfident). the show doesnt scream at you to worship this character because gay or mary sue or whatever.

>>212840219
You know, Janeway should have been in charge of DS9, while Sisko commands Voyager.

>>212840330
>I said I wouldn't defend it
>says disco instead of STD

>>212840330
aidstrek has aids

>>212840219
>A Starfleet captain would never do that.

>>212830230
>trek cookbook
How could they be worth anything?
1) Decide what you want to eat
2) Tell the replicator to make it

My wife's name is replicator

>>212840489
thats not true of VOY or any trek really because everyone's constantly tweaking and creating recipes. quarktajino is a favorite.

>>212840330
Sounds like you know your fair share of nuTrek, anon. Why don’t you just admit you like the taste of slop, piggy? Did you like when they blasted the Beastie Boys in beyond too? So epic, right?

>>212840453
He didn't kill anyone. He could just live with it.

>>212840556
>Did you like when they blasted the Beastie Boys in beyond too? So epic, right?
no
i only liked the first nutrek movie
but sophila boutella was hot in beyond

What I find strange is that everything you people accuse Janeway of doing is something Sisko has actually done.

>>212840330
>ortega looks gay, and sort of androgynous. but she just acts like a normal character, shes flawed (kinda boisterous and overconfident). the show doesnt scream at you to worship this character because gay or mary sue or whatever.

She's done nothing to earn the respect she demands. She also talks back to her senior officers alot even during critical moments when she should keep her mouth shut.

>>212834645
>insults Berman for making tough choices, trying to please everyone, and trying to keep Star Trek alive while staying true to canon.

Now post the ratings for the entire Star Trek Discovery series.

Oh wait you can't. Because Netflix and Paramount Plus hide the ratings and views and claim that's private info.

The one time they put STD on broadcast TV was on CBS. They did a massive marketing campaign to push the show, but STD did so unbelievably bad in TV ratings that they cancelled it within a few episodes. STD got defeated by re-runs of YOUNG SHELDON. Not even new episodes. Re-runs.

>>212840634
I "accuse™" Janeway of being based, wat nou?

>>212840634
Sisko stranded the crew for 70+ years for no good reason? I missed that episode.

>>212828845
it is fucking not. S2 was some of the worst fucking shit I've ever had the displeasure of watching. The plot made no sense, and it was just space battles and nonsense, with a big bad at the end, like all of new trek. If you had a brain in your head you'd notice that.

>>212830977
I just want to know if he leapt after the United Federation of Planets formed.

>>212831183
TNG is nuTrek

TNG was hated by original fans, and only when they began dying off did TNG become looked upon as "real" Star Trek. History will repeat. You have unironic prequel fans now, you will have Discovery fans in your lifetime.

>>212829810
Holy shit...

>>212835084
>>212835103
>>212835151
>fuck Tendi
let me give you a helping hand

>>212841011
TNG is one of the most successful TV shows of all time.

>>212841023
As transporter chief, Miles could do this again anytime he wanted

>>212841011
>you will have Discovery fans in your lifetime
I know shit's fucked, but that is outright lovecraftian.

>>212841094
anon it was cancelled

>>212841113
>>212841011
i honestly dont believe there will ever be a STD fan that wasn't being paid by paramount.

>>212841163
I liked the first season. Other people will have grown up with it

>>212841344
first no you didn't, second no they didn't. they might in the future if the streaming platform wars ever end but no it wouldn't be a first, second, or third choice for anyone. kids will grow up on better more easily accessible things.

>>212841344
You like this shit, dog? I weep for you. Maybe and this is a big maybe, I can play devils advocate and say that Lorca could’ve been an interesting character if he didn’t immediately devolve into cartoonishly evil white man for the lovely hero Lt. Burned Ham to destroy. Watched 1 season and that was enough for me. Shit is ass.

>>212825172
Not really, you can actually tell that nutrek is an abject failure because no broadcast streaming/cable networks don't pay for syndication rights for it, but still pay to syndicate classic trek.

>>212841712
80s nuTrek is cheap, 20s nuTrek isn't

>>212841734
if 20s nutrek was bringing in subscribers they wouldn't be licensing 80s trek from the same service. nutrek value is zero.

>>212841836
That doesn't make any sense. I see this speech pattern a lot among people who don't know what they're talking about, "if X, then non sequitur!"

They license what they can afford and what's available.

>>212841927
If people were subscribed to receive nutrek then they would also receive 80s trek and nobody would be watching it on TV instead. If it is valuable for the TV networks to license it it is because people are watching it there and not streaming.

>>212842027
>if X, then non sequitur
Did it again

>>212828489
Frighteningly Yakubian.

>>212842178
direct sequitur. if they already had 80s trek then they couldn't sell 80s trek. you can't sell a thing twice.

Nurse Chapel looking FINE in season 3 so far

>>212842798
>Nurse Chapel
That bisexual zoomie thot is Nurse Chapel in name only

I thought you guys would've learned to ignore the nu trek fags by now. They will never discuss their trash honestly because they're either shilling or here specifically to troll.

Anyway we hit bump limit

>>212843065
He mostly replies to himself.

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