Looking back, the DCEU/Snyderverse is one of the weirdest and funniest things to ever happen in pop culture history. Let's recap this hilarious mess.
>Man of Steel
A movie that was never intended to start a shared universe, pissing everyone off with its bleak tone and questionable narrative decisions like "stop, my invincible son" and having a depressed sociopathic Superman kill more people than he saves, including Zod. It's a hilarious mess that still has people mad to this day.
>Batman v Superman
One of the strangest big budget blockbusters ever made. An absolute fever dream; a strange self-indulgent arthouse flick masquerading as a big budget superhero blockbuster that focuses on the human response to Superman's existence. Produced hilarious memes like Jesse Eisenberg's ridiculous performance as Lex Luthor, Superman's weird Dr Manhattan arc, Batman acting like the Punisher, Granny's peach tea and of course MARTHA! One of the most divisive, talked about movies ever.
>Suicide Squad
Quite simply one of the worst movies ever made, bolstered only by Jared Leto's cringe inducingly hilarious turn as the Joker and the awful songs they commissioned for it, including Rick Ross' "Purple Lamborghini" which gave us a hilarious music video featuring even more Jared Leto Joker cringe. Ruined Halloween costumes forever and spawned the embarrassing failed "Release the Ayer cut" movement.
>Wonder Woman
A film that everyone loved at the time. Hailed as groundbreaking due to its depiction of a powerful female superhero and praised for its performances and poignant tone. Now loathed because its lead actor is a Zionist war criminal.
>Justice League
A commercial and critical disaster that was the result of the literal personification of Reddit stepping in to direct after Snyder's daughter ACK!-ed herself. An ugly eysore of a movie and a complete tonal mess that is only remembered for Henry Cavill's CGI upper lip. A failure so big that it forced WB to change the creative trajectory of the DCEU and completely remove Snyder and Cavill from the DCEU equation. Caused Ray Fisher to chimp out and get blacklisted by the studio.
>Aquaman
Released over a year after Justice League. An unironic comedy featuring CGI fish men riding giant seahorses and Jason Mamoa and Amber Heard walking through a desert while Pitbull's cover of Toto's "Africa" plays in the background. Somehow grossed over 1.3 billion dollars. The most successful DCEU movie.
>Shazam
A fun little movie and one of the better entries in the DCEU. Barely made any money due to being overshadowed by Marvel. Featured a body double with his head obscured stepping in for Henry Cavill's Superman in a post-credit scene.
>Birds of Prey
Feminist girlboss movie that barely anyone saw (largely due to COVID) and yet triggered an online culture war all the same.
>Wonder Woman 1984
An embarrassing disaster of a film that completely shat all over the previous one. Wonder Woman rapes a guy in it. Used as an example of Gal Gadot's acting inability.
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>Zack Snyder's Justice League
The result of an extremely obnoxious years long online fan campaign that waged cyber war against those who denied its existence and forced WB to give Snyder 70 million dollars to make it. Dropped on HBO Max and Sky Cinema (in the UK/Europe). 4 hours long and claimed to be a restoration of Snyder's original vision, even though it features a bunch of new scenes like Swanwick being revealed as Martian Manhunter and a bunch of shitty post-credit stuff baiting sequels that never happened. Not a terrible film and fixed most of the problems of the original. Not good or successful enough to save the DCEU. Triggered the ongoing "Restore the Snyderverse" movement.
>The Suicide Squad
James Gunn's first foray into the DCEU. A soft reboot of the original and a much better film. However, it bombed at the post-Covid box office and laid the seeds for a complete universal reboot.
>Black Adam
A film that The Rock campaigned to make for years. Stuck in development hell for a long time until it finally entered production. The Rock hailed it as the film that would "change the hierarchy of the DC Universe forever" and pulled strings to bring Cavill back as Superman. Ended up being (unsurprisingly) a forgettable ugly mess of a movie that failed at the box office and was lampooned by critics as a massive piece of shit. The Rock continued to defend it after release and made up a bunch of lies claiming that it generated a profit before both he and Cavill were fired (again for Cavill).
>Shazam! Fury of the Gods
Forgettable sequel that absolutely no one saw or cared about. Its failure caused Zachary Levi to become a right-wing schizo.
>The Flash
Stuck in development hell for years. Originally intended to be a part of the original DCEU slate before the failure of Justice League (2017) forced WB to change its structure. Numerous directors were hired and then fired by WB. Eventually entered production under Andy Muschetti. Intended to completely reboot the DCEU through a story inspired by Flashpoint. A bunch of famous shills, including Tom Cruise, praised it as one of the greatest superhero films ever. Marred by pre-release controversy surrounding Ezra Miller assaulting people and kidnapping an autistic girl from her family. Opened to complete failure at the box office and mediocre reviews. Featured a tired old Michael Keaton becoming the real-life version of his character from Birdman and the Flash rescuing a bunch of flying CGI babies. It's story wasn't an adaptation of Flashpoint but just some shitty random bullshit and it's weird meta ending didn't reboot the DCEU in any way. Instead, it simply confused matters even further with George Clooney showing up as Batman for some reason. What the fuck was this movie!?
>Blue Beetle
No one saw this.
>Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
The final entry in the DCEU. A sad wet fart of a movie. Very clear that no one wanted to be involved in this. Not James Wan, not Jason Mamoa, not Amber Heard (whose presence in it was surrounded by controversy due to the Depp trial). Completely forgettable schlock that barely generated a profit at the box office despite being a Christmas season release. Final scene is Patrick Wilson eating a cockroach burger. A fitting end to the DCEU.
So there we have it. The DCEU (2013-2023). 10 years of hilarious bullshit. What a fucking ride it was. I can't even say I hated it. I'm kinda glad it happened. It generated a bunch of fond memories, funny memes, hilarious moments, heated discussions and earned its place in the annals of pop culture history. What are your thoughts about this mess? Let's discuss!
>>212836727 (OP)Still mogs Gunnverse
Damn how much was OP paid by Gunn to type this shit up?
>>212836816>Marred by pre-release controversy surrounding Ezra Miller assaulting people and kidnapping an autistic girl from her family.Didn’t happen
>mediocre reviewsMixed to positive reviews, the negative ones almost all cited the above fake news as their “reason” they didn’t recommend the movie. The Flash’s audience score is almost the same as Superman’s critic score.
Anyone not pointing this out in relation to the discussion of this movie is a shill for the tabloids or freemasonic producers
Birds of Prey is the only bad one.
It should have been Gotham City Sirens but it became a vanity project for Robbie.
>>212836727 (OP)Inb4 the shills come in to defend this shit.
>>212837140>>212837393>>212837550>>212837602Right on cue kek
>>212837550>Didn’t happenCorrection: Ezra Miller started a sex cult in Europe and one of his groupies followed him to a farm in NH and took her 3 infant children with her where she only answered to Ezra and ignored calls from her parents and baby daddy
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>>212837683>Right on cue kekI'm a DC fan, I don't buy into childish Gunn vs Snyder shit. I couldn't care less. I just want more DC movies.
>>212837725I still remember that. Genuinely incredible that retard got a movie deal. Can't wait to watch it fail.
As a lifeline DC fan, Snyderverse was an embarrassment. So obnoxious having MCU shills just having a field day with how bad it was. I remember when DC were wanting Disney to buy DC how bad it was
>>212837734All wrong
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>>212837772The DCEU was like 95% slop. As a DC fan, you should be demanding quality films that actually do the comics service rather than this shit.
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>>212836727 (OP)The Snyder films were kino, the issue was everything else that wasn't directly made by him.
>>212836816>I can't even say I hated it. I'm kinda glad it happened. Same. It was fun and honestly way more memorable than most of the MCU.
>>212836727 (OP)>Man of SteelA cinematic masterpiece.
>pissing everyone off with its bleak toneWho cares? The tone is fine and not that bleak. It just takes itself seriously. It isn’t made for babies garbage goyslop like Marvel or Gunnshit.
>questionable narrative decisions like “stop, my invincible son"Filtered. It’s literally explained in the movie that the stupid humans aren’t ready for Superman and fucked up shit will happen if his identity is revealed, which we eventually see in BvS.
>depressed sociopathic Superman kill more people than he saves, including ZodWho gives a fuck? No one is perfect. Not even Superman. This actually makes him more human and relatable. Superman has his own flaws and limits and cannot save everyone. It’s realistic and beautifully tragic. There is nothing more beautiful and more pure than sorrow and pain.
>>212838049Agreed + Shannon as Zod is as good as that character is ever going to get
>>212837917Slop is stuff like Steel or Catwoman.
Although even those have fans.
YEAH TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK
>>212836727 (OP)If you told me there were 16 films there would be no way I would believe you, yet here it is
In the grand scheme of things, all that matters is the Snyder Trilogy. The fact it's complete is incredible. Man of Steel and BvS are masterpieces. Zack's Justice League is incredible although not at the same level as the first two.
Here's my hot take. It all went exactly as it should have. I love Superman. Has been and always will be my favorite. In the context of the trilogy it's perfect. BUT, his original vision going forward didn't sit well with me. You just killed him and he had a triumphant return, only for you to make him corrupted and evil? Fuck you. We just had a movie where he wasn't in 80% of it and now we have another full film where he isn't himself. Fuck you.
I'm glad Snyder lost control exactly when he did and we got a completed masterpiece of a trilogy.
The best next step should have been the Batfleck Deathstroke film and another solo Cavill flick. That's all we needed to succeed going forward.
I will never see Gunn's hot garbage. I can't even look at it with all the GoPro shots. That's not filmmaking.
>>212837725Bruce Wayne? I'm actually impressed.
>>212838268>The fact it's complete is incredibleIt's not. He never got to finish his story, that's what sucks. I get that it wasn't everyone's cup of coffee but to not even tell it all the way is lousy. I'm sure even his haters would've been curious what will happen next, but it was abruptly ended after the successful ZSJL movement.
>>212838268I liked BvS but calling a movie with Eisenberg's lex luthor a 'masterpiece' is laying it on a bit thick
honestly the whole "superman needs to be a boyscout thing" from the first movie was so overblown in retrospect.
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hat was he supposed to do? punch them until he knocked out all the kryptonians? jeez it sounds retarded
>>212838268>we got a completed masterpiece of a trilogyHow can you say its completed when at least 40 minutes of ZSJL is sequel set up lol
>>212838410Try learning english you ESL shitskin
>>212838366>but it was abruptly ended after the successful ZSJL movementThe politicking behind doors between different factions at WB must have been a glorious thing to witness. Amazing fucking Gunn won after the bombing turd that his SS movie was.
>>212838436Answer his question
>>212838366It's complete for me. If it was up to me, all the unfulfilled sequel bait would be removed from Zack Snyder's Justice League. I'm okay with Darkseid being in it. But Leto Knightmare and the flash forwards to sequels shouldn't be there. It's a better film without it.
I would have had Zack's Justice League end with the shirt rip revealing the red and blue. Signifying Superman is restored in all his glory.
>>212836727 (OP)>>212836752>>212836790>>212836816This shit feels like a fever dream. How did this happen? WHY did this happen? What kind of retarded company would sign off on this? Warner Brothers really is something else man. No wonder they're almost broke.
>>212836752>mfw when i'm shitfaced again and rattle another giant brap off the walls at 130 am while trying to sleep
>>212836752>Wonder Woman rapes a guy in itlol i didn't know this
>>212838527There must be a fan cut that removes all of that shit.
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>>212836727 (OP)The tipping point of the entire DCEU was when Batman had his future mad max dream, and woke up to Ezra miller screaming about him about AM I TOO SOOOOOON???
BVS completely lost the plot at that point. That’s the second the DCEU turned into udder shit
(Yes I know pic related is from the Snyder cut)
>>212836727 (OP)It honestly might be the most prolonged period of complete crackhead-tier mismanagement any major media company has ever had. They had a license to print money, thought "but what if we could make even MORE money" and unironically ran the company into the ground trying to improve on good.
The conversation always descends into memes but the facts are that the Snyder films were profitable and everything they did after him was one catasrophe after another. And I think Snyder probably wasn't the right guy to be in charge of the entire thing and maybe needed a tard wrangler to talk him down from some of his dumber ideas but, fuck, the people who stepped in after him were like saboteurs. They were upset that BVS "only" made $900 mil and by the end they were releasing turds that couldn't even gross $100 mil domestically.
So the DCEU was getting outgrossed by the MCU. So fucking what. DC has been the comic book silver medalist since like 1965 or whatever. It still had fans, it still sold, it still made money. Blowing it all up because it's first place or nothing was insane. This is like Adidas getting butthurt that Nike outsold them one year, firing everyone, discontinuing their most popular shoes and letting the unpaid interns design some garish replacements that sold 1/10 the volume of the originals. It was corporate suicide
>>212838681Knightmare works as Batman's paranoia fuel. The Flash saying "Lois Lane is the key" works because she is who calms him down when Superman wakes up aggro. I think it only falls apart in Zack Snyder's Justice League.
I'm probably just coping though because I think the Knightmare dream is one of the coolest Batman scenes of all time.
>>212838719Snyderverse is dead and gone. Gunnverse is the future.
Deal with it.
>>212838918But I don't have to watch it, James.
>>212836752>Feminist girlboss movie that barely anyone saw (largely due to COVID)This is a false narrative. Defenders of the film tried to blame COVID worries, despite most people in the western world being practically unaware of it until directly before stay at home orders were put in place. You also had Sonic the Hedgehog making a respectable 320 million vs Birds of Prey's 200 despite Sonic launching a week later, thus only having a a single month in theaters before they were shut down.
You also missed the best part of BoP's flopping: After the opening weekend, they re-titled the movie for theater websites and box office marquees to have Harley Quinn's name in it.
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2489962/too-late-birds-of-prey-is-changing-its-title-after-disappointing-opening
>>212836816Keaton was by far the best part of the movie. Hell, he's the only competent character in the film.
Also, you missed Peacemaker in this retrospective, a show with the dubious honor of being in two different cinematic universes between seasons.
>>212836727 (OP)I liked Aquaman, but I'm a bit of a sucker for fantasy movies and ocean adventure movies. It's not perfect, but Orm and Black Manta are decent villains and I enjoyed the underwater fantasy world they created.
>>212836752I'm so sick of obvious glow niggers
>>212839173>PeacemakerThat show is such a fucking nothing burger, it's not really worth mentioning. I think OP was just focused on covering the films.
>>212839226I liked it as well. Fun dumb adventure romp. What did you think about the sequel?
>>212839245>Everyone who doesn't like the snyderverse is a glowieIs that what this discourse has come too?
>>212839322>What did you think about the sequel?I haven't seen that yet. It doesn't get good ratings but I've heard good word-of-mouth about it. I'll have to put it on sometime just to see what I think, I do tend to like fantasy B-movies more than most people. Have you seen it? If so, did you like it?
>>212836752Aquaman being the highest grossing DCEU film of all time is the funniest fucking thing
>>212837900Not reading your graphics faggot. The psycho assaulter got what he deserved. A flop movie and a Hollywood blacklist. Feels good
>>212837734>took her 3 infant children with herwhich is her right
>>212837734>she only answered to Ezraas she should, as a mere peasant
>>212837734>baby daddyfuck that guy
>>212836727 (OP)>A film that everyone loved at the time. Hailed as groundbreaking due to its depiction of a powerful female superhero and praised for its performances and poignant tone. Now loathed because its lead actor is a Zionist war criminal.people only pretended to like it to virtue signal that they're feminist
now that zionism isn't politically correct, leftists are taking the opportunity to reveal their true feelings
>>212839381Not him, but I thought the movie was very forgettable. The scenes that played with Momoa and Wilson's dynamic were fun, but that's it.
I also saw it the day I got fired from my job to take my mind off things, so I guess that could've influenced my mood.
>>212839245>I'm so sick of obvious glow niggers>>212839359>is a glowie>Is that what this discourse has come too?glowies like to use the term in cases where it doesn't fit..so then it starts to sound 'crazy' when actually glowies are called out. It's called 'glowie paralysis" page 154 of the glowie handbook
>>212836727 (OP)Why does he look like Agent Smith?
>>212839389>Aquaman being the highest grossing DCEU film of all time is the funniest fucking thingYep and it grossed more then superslop 2025 every will.
>>212839381>Have you seen it? If so, did you like it?Yeah, I saw it at the cinema when it came out. It's fun at points but also kinda depressing in the sense that, as OP mentioned, everyone involved just seems disinterested and bored. It just doesn't have the lively atmosphere and soul of the first film. Also, the general direction is worse and nowhere near as kinetic as the first film.
>>212839466>Why does he look like Agent Smith?bad cgi due to his awful mustache in some bomb he filmed during reshoots
>>212839477That's because all of Latin America and India payed to watch Aquaman multiple times
>>212839389>Aquaman being the highest grossing DCEU film of all time is the funniest fucking thingAmericans love scat...simple as
>>212839464The CIA isn't PSYOPing people into disliking the synderverse you fucking nigger retard, those movies simply suck ass and balls. End of story.
Oh yeah the Batgirl movie. Glad that got cancelled. So other than BoP and Batgirl, the DCEU is solid.
>>212839433>>212839484Really? That's disappointing, does it have any of the visuals or feeling of adventure from the first one?
I enjoy a lot of shlocky fantasy movies like Beastmaster or Krull, but they have to have a fun fantasy world to explore. If Aquaman 2 is just murky and depressing, it might not be worth it.
>>212839477being completely fair to superman, aquaman edged out most of DC by virtue of the chinese market -- which we know for a fact pays out multiples less than domestic. i think despite the worldwide total being more than 300m over wonder woman, aquaman was reported as only earning wb around 20m or so more, though i forget the specific figures. they're never catching that lightning in a bottle again. i hope superman's subpar performance doesn't make them scramble again.
Everyone needs to calm down.
It's just movies.
Come on guys.
>>212839400It’s amazing the level of psyop and retardation that would bring this idiot
>>212839393 to simp for such an evil person
The same nigger is already charged and going on trial for abusing another mother of his kids, he has kids with like 5 different women and was charged last August for trying to kidnap them back to Hawaii
But this balding drunk nigger is a “hero” tor the anti-Ezra shills, kek
I thought the second suicide squad movie was extremely kino, but I suppose now this will be rolled into the Gunnverse.
>>212839577>The CIA isn't PSYOPing people into disliking the synderverse you fucking nigger retard, those movies simply suck ass and balls. End of story.was a joke about some poster calling someone a 'glowie' for not liking their movie. reading comprehension has really gone down hill lately. mostly since the people posting here recently poo in the the street. weird
>>212836727 (OP)>>212836752>>212836790>>212836816The smartest thing Warner could do, would be to make a mockumentary about this trainwreck.
>>212839674Supposedly they're going all in with this new Gunnverse
>>212839711>dick measuring contest with bullets earlier on in the movie>it's actually the most important convo in the filmdo we know what film james gunn is working on next? love his shit
>>212839665>does it have any of the visuals or feeling of adventure from the first one?It does. The film isn't tonally depressing. Just depressing from the perspective of the behind the scenes stuff.
>>212839699Ezra is a libtard who spend years campaigning for creatures like this. You can't be surprised when his pet dog bit his hand.
>>212836816Image made me crack up before I even read the post.
>>212839753Well he's the head of DC studios now so he's gonna be overseeing all of their future projects. The next thing in which he has direct involvement in is Peacemaker season 2.
>>212839699you're a faggot loser and most likely one of the faggots who lusts over ezra on this board. AIDS will claim you and you will be sent to the lake of fire for eternity
>>212839794>Ezra isyes...Ezra is. Perfect. god bless him/them/her (whatever pronouns they prefer). we're lucky to have them in our lives
>>212839711Yeah, Creature Commandos makes explicit references to the events of TSS.
Gunn's stance is that the movie itself isn't part of the universe, but extremely similar events happened.
So basically, take the movie and cut out Harley and any character who died that they might want to use in the future, and you've got the DCU version of the events.
I suppose they might explain this a little better in-universe since season two of Peacemaker is going to have Flag Sr. hunting down Peacemaker for killing his son.
>>212839794Point to one instance of him “campaigning” for that. He was literally attacked in 2018 because he dared to have a nuanced take on the beginnings of BLM retardation.
You know nothing.
ere is a list of almost every DC movie/TV show that was announced from 2012-2022 until Gunn came in
>Black Canary
>Zatanna
>Static Shock
>Plastic Man
>A female Plastic Man
>An animated Metal Men
>JJ Abrams Superman
>Michael B Jordan's Superman
>Hourman
>Sasha Calle's Supergirl
>A Supergirl movie set in the 1970s
>Nightwing
>Batgirl
>Joker and Harley
>Joker vs Harley
>Milestone animated movie
>Justice League Dark
>Rose & Thorn
>Wonder Twins
>Constantine
>Every Black Adams Spin-off
>Gotham City Sirens
>Birds of Prey vs Gotham City Sirens
>Booster Gold
>Lobo, the Michael Bay one
>Madam Xenadu
>JJ Abrams Justice League Dark
>A Batman Beyond animated movie
>A Batman Beyond Standalone movie
>Affleck's Batman
>Man of Steel 2
> DC Super Hero High
>Strange Adventures
>Green Lantern
>Cyborg
>Bizzaro World
>New Gods
>Blackhawks
>Deathstroke
>Justice League Part 2
>Deadshot
>>212839756Oh, okay then. I might still check it out then. Thanks Anon!
>>212839711Still need to see this, too. I enjoyed Gunn's Superman, so this'll probably be solid.
>>212839960Also, Walter Hamada's original stupid idea was to have Affleck's Batman get replaced by a retired Keaton Batman training Batgirl and Superman to have been killed off as a baby and replaced by Supergirl.
Eventually, they did decide to have Affleck's Bamtna just be lost in the multiverse so they could do Crisis on Infinite Earths
>>212839960>>JJ Abrams Superman>>Michael B Jordan's SupermanWeren't these the same movie?
>>212840169No, Abram's Superman was a movie written by Te-Nashi Coates with a black Superman set during the Civil Rights era. We just recently learned Zaslav cancelled it for being too woke.
MBJ's Superman was Val Zod TV show for HBO Max, it went no where.
>>212837900>>212839699>>212839950What agenda would anyone have against Ezra Miller and why?
>>212840169>JJ Abrams SupermanSo a remake of the 1970s one only more ADHD and spasdic and stupider?
>>212839950ezra is kinda based ngl
>>212838719>This is like Adidas getting butthurt that Nike outsold them one year, firing everyone, discontinuing their most popular shoes and letting the unpaid interns design some garish replacements that sold 1/10 the volume of the originals. It was corporate suicideDid this actually happen?
>>212840231is this a real question?
>>212840231He's a POS who the pedo hollyjews protected at all costs.
>>212840213We already have a black superman film and it's fun.
>>212840253Yes. Ezra Miller is a Hollywood jew. Why would there be a manufactured crusade against a Hollywood jew who is apparently innocent?
>>212839960>>212840143>>212840169Also, fun fact.
This guy is Ṣọpẹ Dìrísù. He was rumored to be the lead in one of the listed cancelled DC projects.
Can you guess what character he was going to play? Bare in mind it was 2021, so it should be obvious if you think about it.
>>212840277Super Uncle Tom the Man of Jiggaboo
>>212840231Money, dingus. He was just paid 6-7 figures for filming the biggest movie of his career as that stuff was going on.
Most of them admitted as much, read the info sheet. It was either money or sex or both in all of those situations.
The media doesn’t need an excuse to report on that stuff, and you’ll notice once it became obvious it was a smear campaign the press promptly stopped talking about it.
>>212836727 (OP)>Batman v Superman>Arthouse anythingGood morning, sar.
>>212836727 (OP)>still has people madYes, OP, you seem upset. You made this thread. It's all executive meddling.
>>212836727 (OP)When it’s all laid out like that I can’t say I hate bvs so much when it’s next to literally unwatchable movies like JUSTice league and suicide squad
>>212840253They don’t get it. Ezra was just another Dave Chappelle or Lindsay Lohan to the the gossip papers. Even if it’s pure drivel or immoral reporting they just say "Well he's in the game so he knows the rules" and smile when the headlines make them money. Human beings are disposable to the media.
>>212837946Sure thing, Devansh.
>>212840381>Uh... u le madYou're fat and unhugged, you should know.
>Man of Steel
Saw this one pretty late but mostly it was nice to see a Superman movie released in my lifetime that wasn't utter garbage. I was a kid when Superman Returns came out and I swear I had to watch it three times or more just to convince myself it was real because I couldn't believe how unenjoyable it was. Anyway, MoS was decent but it felt like the climax was a whole quarter of the runtime so it kinda soured on me by the end.
>Batman v Superman
I had my friend read the plot synopsis for MoS to me while I drove us to the theater so we wouldn't be going in blind and yet I still felt like I had zero context for anything that was happening. Thankfully my friend was a comic nerd so she was able to at least explain a handful of character details in my ear while we were watching. That said, I loved every chaotic second of it whether I understood what was happening or not. I think OP got the summary of this one right. Drab tone aside, the zany energy just made the movie a wild experience few superhero movies can match and I left the theater saying I would have happily watched another half hour of it, which to my surprise was something that was already on the way. If I could change anything I would have spent less time trying to make it a Justice League prequel. Wonder Woman's appearance being advertised ahead of release felt like it killed what was supposed to be a surprise, so I think she should have only appeared as Diana in this one and saved her full reveal for the solo movie.
>>212840552>Suicide SquadI expected this one to be so much worse than it was and I think it would have been more memorable if it actually was worse. Don't get me wrong, it was a bad movie, but not the kind that wraps back around into being fun for that reason which I was kind of banking on. Biggest problem it created for the franchise is that despite being something of a side movie, the threat is once again total world domination. It's hard to get that invested in the struggles against ultra powerful villains when every single bad guy in this universe seems to be showing up with the same threats. The threads making fun of this movie's marketing were some of my favorite on this board and the ridiculous soundtrack grew on me to the point that I would sometimes put it on while driving people around in college.
>Wonder WomanI thought it was cool. We hadn't had a period superhero movie since Captain America so that helped it stand out among the crowd. I do think its funny how even normies seem to have switched up on this one more recently because of Gal Gadot as if her IDF past wasn't openly used to prop her up as a perfect fit for the character back when she was cast.
>Justice LeagueI liked it a lot when it came out, but that could have just been cope from how long I had been waiting for a Justice League movie. My biggest issue at the time was that it was obvious which scenes had been written by Whedon and while his writing doesn't always bother me, in this one it clashed hard against the scenes Snyder directed. Other problem is what I addressed with SS: Steppenwolf just didn't seem like such an intimidating major event-level threat when he wasn't really doing anything we hadn't already seen Zod or Aries or Enchantress already try.
>>212840606>AquamanI think on a technical level this is the movie that worked the best in the franchise. We got a peek at what would happen in JL, but it only barely addresses the rest of the series and just lets itself be a self-contained adventure. I would have liked a bit more closure with Black Manta instead of leaving him as sequel bait, but the rest of the story feels nice and complete and there was a good balance between the story and the action.
>Birds of PreyUnlike Aquaman, I think this movie trying to isolate itself from the greater series did it a bit of a disservice. Squad Harley became a genuine pop culture icon, so ripping her away from her big sequel setup cliffhanger without any explanation was a weird way to start what might as well have been her solo movie. What worked was the smaller scale storyline that let the characters focus on their own personal stories instead of hanging a global threat over their heads. What didn't work is that they didn't really give the characters much of a personal story to develop. Other than that, it was fine for what it was and the feminist propaganda criticism got blown out of proportion by people who didn't see it. I've seen movies with way more divisive and straight up harmful messages pointed towards purposely driving up distrust between the sexes than this one, but internet warriors don't talk about those because there aren't any superheroes in them.
>>212836727 (OP)I don't know if this is something that producers do, but if not, there should be a job position in Hollywood where the person's sole responsibilities are to veto any and all creative decisions that they don't like and offer feedback until they're satisfied. I should have that job. I could have saved the sneederverse. Just let me say "nope, you can't do that" and "maybe try something like this instead" and boom, the whole fucking thing is saved.
>>212840632>Zack Snyder's Justice LeagueI was excited for this to get a legitimate release not only because I liked BvS, but because I like when studios are willing to back up the people who do the hard work for them. I borrowed my friend's HBO to watch it when it came out, fell asleep halfway through, and never went back to finish it. There was nothing I particularly hated, but it wasn't such a transformative experience over the Whedon cut that I felt like I needed to see the rest of it. Seeing the individual stories for the new characters get more focus was neat, but it's the kind of thing they'd need solo movies for to make really engaging. Also I know Snyder said he didn't watch the theatrical version and didn't make any changes based on it, but there were some things that made me doubt that. Particularly using the Nick Cave needle drop for Aquaman felt super out of place when the theatrical cut used Icky Thump, which Snyder himself picked out to accompany the movie's Comic Con preview. I'll probably watch the rest one day, but it's already been four years so who knows when that will be...
>The Suicide Squad It's Suicide Squad by James Gunn. That's it, that's all there is to say. The movie you picture in your head when you read that sentence is exactly the movie they released. Harley got her old colors back, so that was nice.
>The FlashThe second half of this movie was on the TV while I was hanging out with my brother and it just looked like any other multiverse superhero movie. I saw one meta interpretation that the finale, where Barry destroys himself trying in vain to change destiny and set everything right instead of just giving up on a world fated to die, is the perfect ending for a series by a studio that did just that. It's already been pointed out that while reviews were bad, these movies were making good money for years, yet Warner Bros had to pull at every thread trying to make it a cultural juggernaut that it was never going to be. Kino.
>>212840530Weren't they originally looking at Chiwetel Ejiofor for Constantine or am I mistaken?
>>212840666The bad reviews were in America, it was received well overseas. When it’s all said and done Superman will probably make $10M in China, Flash went on to make like $26M.
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>>212836790>the suicide squadI like Gunn but this movie was gross. Not very fun.
>>212836816>the flashPretty funny movie. I don’t like insane liberal fags but Ezra did a very good job with the funny stuff. I laughed.
>>212840552>Man of steel wasn't garbageObvious nostolgia bias, seen it will millennials and the prequels.
>Batman v superman was a zany wild rideAre you AI or just so NPC brained you use stock.
I'm not reading anymore of your AI generated slop.
>>212840744If I wasn't posting my actual opinions why would I leave out the movies I didn't watch? And how was Man of Steel nostalgia bias if I hadn't seen it until after BvS (as a matter of fact I hadn't seen it until well after Justice League; it was probably like 2019 or 2020)? Read the post or don't, reply to the post or don't, I don't care but don't be a literal retard.
>>212840735I was talking about the series as a whole, particularly near the start. That they felt like they weren't on a winning streak and needed to overhaul everything after four back-to-back financial successes shows that they had no idea how to handle this property.
>>212836727 (OP)kek a good summary thanks
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>>212840310He was telling people in Hawaii about the higher up Jews who raped him growing up. Only after that did all the other stuff start happening.
>>212840530But there was a Constantine TV show already kek
>>212841044I just remembered that lol. Wasn't it a part of the arrowverse?
>>212841044>>212841471This was for JJ Abrams. He was planning to do a Madame Xanadu, Constatine, and other shows to lead to a Justice League Dark show.
>>212841501I really hate that little kike
The fact that Sneeder developed a sort of cult following in India because of this just makes it more kino
>>212841555The Indian Snyder shit is overblown, those guys just love all kinds of capeslop and a huge online presence because there's 1.5 billion of them. I'd say south America has a bigger Snyder cult following comparatively
I saw MoS only once forever ago in theaters yet its more memorable than every single marvel movie besides Iron Man and the big avengers thanos movies
>>212841555checked. The Snyderjeets should team up with the Gunnjeets and truly make Jeetville a superpower in 2025.
>>212839173I agree but I've always enjoyed Keaton's acting, he's one of the only actors that I'd go see a movie I'm otherwise not that interested in just because he's in it
>>212841988This was my favorite Keaton Bats scene in Flash: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4CDuERe-588
>>212838562It happened, that's all that matters.
>>212841692No, it isn’t. Stop coping.
>>212836727 (OP)I do kind of miss mocking it
>>212836727 (OP)>having a depressed sociopathic Superman kill more people than he savesHe's not sociopathic and is only as depressed as someone who had his upbringing would be. And he saved the entire fucking Earth.
>It's a hilarious mess that still has people mad to this dayMidwits and redditors you mean?
>>212839173>he's the only competent character in the film.He flies the batwing into Zod's ship for absolutely zero reason whatsoever lmao. If that makes him the most competent character in the film, then everyone else must have been as dumb as bricks.
>>212836727 (OP)A lot of people forget that the DCEU turned a profit of around 4 billion dollars.
>>212836816I wonder how long the Gunnverse will last
>>212842510it will last for years, even if it barely make any money. Gunn owns the studio, unlike Snyder who didn't have control over his own films
What would the DCEU be like if Green Lantern 2011 was a great movie that made 700 million dollars atleast?
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>>212840236No ,I was just saying that a lot of other companies have to deal with not being the #1 brand in their industry and they don't fucking freak out about it and completely drop their identity to rebrand overnight
Although now that I think about it it did happen in real life with the New Coke fiasco. Except unlike Coke warner brothers wouldn't admit their mistake and bring back the original version.
>>212836790don't forget the "We live a society" meme reference scene that was filmed only for the trailer
>>212842306Post a single MCU track that has as much sovl as this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECoIGvDT36Q
>>212842538Gunn still answers to Zaslav
>>212842340The more Gunnverse shits the bed the more you gonna remember it.
People always cite the stupidest reasons to dislike MoS. Like that one faggot who kept insisting that Clark had puppy dog stare on his face the entire time Zod ranted.
>>212840036Oh yeah. He wanted Supergirl, Batgirl, and Nubia to be the new trio. Holy fuck. And then there’s that black writer (Coates I think?) who was working on a 1930s black Superman and Asian Lois. Like what the fuck Hamada.
>>212838268>Pure Snyderbot copeYes, I love how complete Snyder's JL is with all the bullshit that is teased just to be dropped, like evil Superman (for the third time), Darkseid and Batman's unfinished sacrificial arc. The scripts for the 2nd and 3rd JL movies are so hilariously bad btw, it's a shame they will never be made. So bad its good level of slop.
>>212839950Thanks Ezra, but everyone still sees you as a crazy skizo. Have fun on your delulu farm.
>>212842835>Yes, I love how complete Snyder's JL is with all the bullshit that is teased just to be dropped, like evil SupermanHe knew what he was doing. Literally inciting his fanboys to be as annoying as possible about rebooting the Snyderverse fully. He got his chance, his one in a million chance, to finish off a project he probably shouldn't have been able to in the first place, and he does that with it. It's insulting. I could never respect the guy even if his movies were good, which they aren't.
>>212842618Green lanternverse
the Jonah Hex Verse
Nolan
Superman Returns
the Keatonverse?
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>>212836727 (OP)>and having a depressed sociopathic Superman kill more people than he savesthis literally doesn't happen
>>212836727 (OP)Funny how people praised Gadot's performance as the highlight of three movies (BvS, WW, JL) just to turn on her when WW 1984 dropped and she started to appear in other shit like that Netflix movie with The Rock.
>>212836752It's crazy to me that fucking Aquaman is the most successful DCEU movie.
>>212842983Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!
>Man of Steel
This movie is fascinating because at the time it was just a normal action flick but today in the context of modern “cinema” and capeshit it’s fantastic. Couldn’t care less about Pa’s death or the neck snap.
>Batman v Superman
My personal favorite superhero movie. It was able to scale from street level fights to world ending threats and had a pure DC atmosphere to it. I personally believe this is Snyder’s magnum opus and he paid the price for it by sacrificing his career.
>Suicide Squad
I think this fits into the so bad it’s good category. While not technically good there’s a lot of colorful characters and it doesn’t really waste your time. I doubt the Ayer cut would have made it any better. Wish to have seen more Joker.
>Wonder Woman
A generally good film with a contradictory third act. While they should’ve stuck with the original ending (there being no Ares and mankind is just naturally violent and evil, which explains why Diana lay dormant for 100 years) I can see how execs thought Diana’s dissatisfaction could project onto the audience and work against the film’s reception and how the ending needed an oomph.
>Justice League (both versions)
This should have been the best DCEU film by far with the same level of ambition as BvS, even more so in fact. Unfortunately it was constructed as a head bowed apology rather than a prideful Justice League endeavor. The lack of a 7th member is also jarring. While there’s significantly worse DCEU movies this one however is probably the biggest disappointment. There was also some insane fuckery going on behind the scenes like that 2 hour mandate.
>>212843421>Couldn’t care less about Pa’s death or the neck snap.>>Batman v Superman>My personal favorite superhero movie.Damn. Stopped reading after that.
>>212843421>AquamanIt’s almost like James Cameron made a capeshit, almost. It knew exactly what it wanted to be and succeeded. Provided a straightforward narrative with a charismatic actor and an interesting setting. And yet it makes one think if Aquaman, who’s supposed to be one of the lame JL members, can make a billion what kind of potential did the other members have?
>ShazamA solid inoffensive flick. With a few adjustments (and a different release) it could have become a Christmas classic. But I don’t think Zachary Levi was the right choice for adult Billy. Ironically David Corenswet would’ve been great.
>The Suicide SquadSuicide Squad 2016 but built properly from the ground up this time, a comedy from conception. IMO this is Gunn’s best capeshit alongside the original gotg. He’s able to mess around with whatever niche characters he wants while being able to do edgy adult humor he couldn’t exercise in the mcu. It’s also not visual dogshit. However when peacemaker came out that’s when I started to notice and get real tired of his formula.
The rest I never watched, don’t remember, or don’t care
>>212843489>Couldn’t care less about Pa’s death or the neck snapExcept nobody actually cares except SOME superfaggots
>>212843544It's okay my invincible son. The DCEU is dead and you can stop now.
>>212843544Pa Kent's death was retarded but yes no one aside from hardcore fans cared about the snapped neck. The reason why most people weren't high on the movie was because it's boring as fuck.
>>212842908>many people still think something stupid, therefore stupid obviously bullshit thing somehow true Logical fallacy, specifically appeal to majority. Most people grow out of falling for that one once they turn 25.
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>>212842974>the Jonah Hex Verse
>>212843421>I personally believe this is Snyder’s magnum opusThat would be Sucker Punch
>>212838436>Try learning english you ESL shitskinCalling someone an ESL because they criticized Zack Snyder, in a thread that's praising Zack Snyder, is comedy.
99.9% of Zack Snyder's fans are ESLs.
Don't be dumb enough to call me a James Gunn fan because likable Snyder, aka James Gunn, is trash as well.
>>212844152I thought this was a DCEU review thread
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>>212843725anyone else remember when Twitter claimed that Chris Pratt was a homophobic abusive husband belonging to an anti-LGBT church? that was another mass hallucination that the internet decided was true based on no evidence. but everyone repeated it because it got likes online.
>>212839960I wish I could buy whatever cocaine that lunatic Hamada must have been sniffing by the pound to come up with this shit rapid fire and just act on every erroneous impulse no matter how retarded. I mean, it must have been 100% pure bolivian. That dude was in orbit. Every decision was insane
>>212836790>The result of an extremely obnoxious years long online fan campaign that waged cyber war against those who denied its existence and forced WB to give Snyder 70 million dollars to make it. Dropped on HBO Max and Sky Cinema (in the UK/Europe). 4 hours long and claimed to be a restoration of Snyder's original vision, even though it features a bunch of new scenes like Swanwick being revealed as Martian Manhunter and a bunch of shitty post-credit stuff baiting sequels that never happened. Not a terrible film and fixed most of the problems of the original. Not good or successful enough to save the DCEU. Triggered the ongoing "Restore the Snyderverse" movement.That's bs, the movement is not the reason this got released, the previous WB CEO, I forgot his name, it was a young guy, did this because hbomax needed content. He was the idiot who came up with release on same day, both theaters and hbomax during the pandemic that cost WB more money long term.
i watched MoS and BvS hundred times, don’t care if it’s stupid, action is great, i watched camrip of new superman, once, it is enough, there is my recap
>>212844648BvS is meh but the action in MoS shits all over new superman
>>212843421>I personally believe this is Snyder’s magnum opusNah, that was Watchmen.
>>212844745Agree to disagree
>>212844745Army of the Dead was Snyder's opus and a true testament to the man's capabilities.
>>212836727 (OP)>Batman acting like the PunisherI feel like this comparison wasn't made as often as it should have
I truly think Snyder lost all his juice after BvS or during JL. AoTD and RM were certainly something. But original stories were never his thing anyway. He needs to go back to comic book adaptations.
>>212838049Hi, Zac--
>There is nothing more beautiful and more pure than sorrow and pain.Jesus Christ, are you 12? Did you write that in your black journal with a skull on the front while wearing a black t-shirt and crying as you listen to your favorite emo band?
>>212836790>Its failure caused Zachary Levi to become a right-wing schizo.In the boring 'He fucked off from LA and moved to a ranch' or the Mel Gibson way?
>>212842388>then everyone else must have been as dumb as bricks.:)
>>212839393not blacklisted tho, just a few weeks ago won an award and confirmed working on a new movie: https://people.com/ezra-miller-books-next-screen-role-after-scandals-11742552
being hated by the public is different than being hated professionally. it’s clear he has a big support system with other actors or directors.
>>212845168Can he even call himself a director if adaptation and remake are the only thing he do well?
>>212843518If wonder woman didn't have the retarded ending with Ares it would've been a legitimately good movie
>>212842591This is the most fascinating thing to me as MoS was so clearly intended to be standalone. Would they have tried to force it to change to fit into continuity with GL? I'm not really sure how you'd do that when both are stories about the world learning aliens are real.
>>212836727 (OP)>>212836752>>212836790>>212836816The only one of these movies I have seen is Suicide Squad and that was only because people here were saying "it's so bad it's good".
>>212836727 (OP)I loved Man of Steel and I kind of wish they never made Batman v Superman, which was shit.
>>212836727 (OP)Couldn't they put prosthetics or something on his mouth to cover the mustache instead of that dogshit CG?
>>212837900Why do they look like the could form an anti juistice league?
>>212836790>>Shazam! Fury of the Gods>Forgettable sequel that absolutely no one saw or cared about. Its failure caused Zachary Levi to become a right-wing schizo.Just watched it a bit of a mess but no worse than a lot of Marvel films.
The mid credits scene seemed to suggest they were planning a Justice Society movie even though they had appeared previously in Black Adam.
>>212846775>MoS was so clearly intended to be standalone.There's a Wayne satellite easter egg init.
>>212836727 (OP)mf look like he just went to the dentist
>>212846796You should have seen The Suicide Squad instead which is so good it's good.
But I genuinely think it's the best DCEU movie, which is sad because it's not even like THAT good, but it's still very fun throughout.
>>212847848And that's what it was, just a easter egg. Now compare it to the new Superman movie, featuring a bunch of other super heroes baiting connected movies and spinoffs.. and oh yeah, Superman too.
According the Umberto Gonzalez, Zaslav was confused as to why the fuck WB hadn't made a Superman movie in a decade and it was basically the first movie he greenlit.
Wlater Hamada and the previous WB regime is fucking retarded.
>justice league film before properly setting up all the members
i still don't get what they thought they were doing
>>212836727 (OP)WB became reactionary after the Avengers made 1.5B, they really wanted to make that Avengers money, hence BvS was greenlit instead doing MoS2.
>>212849513Tobey Emmerich really fuckin hated Cavill and the rest of the JL cast. He approached Gunn about making a new Superman movie as far back as 2018/2019. Cavill was still under contract for more another appearance however and was holding out for a complete film. Hamada I think was just a massive dimwit pushover.
>>212850406I didn't even care if it was Cavill or not. In fact, it would have been better if it wasn't instead of dicking around with this "will they won't they" shit that they were doing from 2016-2022.
Christopher McQuaurrie, off fucking Mission Impossible Fallout, comes to them personally with him script and interest in doing a Superman-Green Lantern team up movie, with Green Lantern likely being played by Tom Cruise, and they fucking say no.
This was during the time when they thought Superman wasn't relevant enough and they wanted to figure out a way to make him more relevant for modern times, which is when they were considering Michael B Jordan to replace Cavill.
>>212836816Happy to say I only saw one DCEU film in the theater, MoS, but my family brought me. After that I avoided it like the plague. It was the whole "maybe you shouldn't save everyone" speech that Johnathan Kent gave, I knew that no one there knew what the fuck they were doing.
I ALMOST saw The Flash, just because it looked so weird, but I'm glad I didn't. I made the same mistake with Superman (2025), I remember now not to give them money for this slop just because it's off-kilter. It can be both weird and soulless.
>>212837806>muh DC vs Marvel grow up faggot it's all kike slop
>>212838368Eisenberg Lex is not only one of the greatest villains in cinematic history, but in the history of all of fiction.
>>212838869He is annoyingly vague
>BRUCE! KEEP LOIS LANE ALIVE AT ALL COSTS OR THE WORLD ENDS.Like it may have been water off a duck's back that Bruce chalked up to a schizo dream but it's not retardedly vague
>>212840231Ezra's little cult must have bots on several forums because the second you mention him they go ballistic and try defending the creep as hard they can
>>212840314Lol I've seen this guy on Gangs of London and Slow Horses. He's okay, he's not annoying but never been a stand out charisma bomb. He's got terrible gyno for an in-shape guy though
>>212840552Yeah it's a fascinating and fun watch as a weird as shit elseworld story.
>Superman a cold distant autist that spouts out edgy 90's liners now and again>neurotic Zuckerberg caricature is Lex Luthor saying schizo one liners about gods, devil, and man>ugly stick playing WW with an insufferable theme songI can actually watch it fondly now and derive entertainment from stuff like how unrelently self serious and important the score is, for example.
>Shazam! Fury of the Gods
This being bad baffles me and makes me sad, Shazam seemed a relatively sober take on super heroes, much more subdued, aware of the shortcomings and failing of the genre, it didn't deconstruct or reinvent but it didn't feel arrogant, I had good hopes for the sequel then.
I actually find Joss JL's funniest bit being where they pretend that the Superman in that movie was always like that - he was always this happy go lucky joke cracking chill bro, guys!
Zodd was actually the good guy.
>>212851311>RELEASE THE WORLD ENGINE!>dramatic as fuck bad guy scoreKekekek
genuine question, what happens if the gunnverse flops? are they going to reboot again?
>>212851300Ironically that’s the happiest Superman has been shown since Reeve. Corenswet’s version isn’t far off from Cavill’s. Pretty sure he only smiled twice throughout the whole movie.
The funniest thing was /tv/ crusading the Sneedercut for like 4 fucking years then literally stopped talking about it ever again a week after it was actually released.
>>212851389The Batman for the next 10 years. Superman will go dormant unless Zaslav decides to break Cavill out again as a last ditch effort to win the international box office, for non-Batman stuff anyway.
>>212851444What’s there to talk about. It happened. Now we rest.
>>212851389The Batman verse takes dominant
>>212851444They realized it's just as shit as the Whedon's version.
>>212851419I'd say it's far off Cavill's because his entire temperament is far more relaxed than Cavill's and he actually talks a lot - Cavill's Superman was extremely laconic. Like never mind Corenswet's very Superman-like speech to Lex about how he's human and it's his greatest strength, I cannot recall Cavill Superman even having a bit of continous dialogue in length that match's Affleck's little speech to Alfred about how Superman has the power to kill all of them and if 1% chance he's bad = they must take it as an absolute certainty. I will say this for BvS, Batman and Alfred scenes were very good. They both has real chemistry.
>>212851320Huh? How is that not being a good guy for his people? Humans are trash. Wiping them out is the right thing to do. Superman is a traitor to his own kind.
>>212851543>his entire temperament is far more relaxed than CavillNah Cavill has like never gotten angry. He’s mostly stoic will small amounts of dialogue. Corenswet talks more and shows a wider range of emotion.
>>212851632>Nah Cavill has like never gotten angry.Huh? He raged a few times. Like that's one of the things I found so odd about him, not distant and muted he was sometimes over things that should provoke an emotional reaction contrasting with his very emotional ones. Smallville only became a battleground because Superman raged tackled him there and he was screaming WHERE IS SHE!??!!? at Lex
>>212851609I'm saying the way scene played amused me, having Shannon's autist Zod say RELEASE THE WORLD ENGINE being treated like an actually scary villain moment with the way the score ramped up
>>212851693Yeah it’s kino stfu
>>212844333I remember that, how "journalists" (actually blogs) were upset they didn't know who he was voting for but convinced that he must be a far right republican.
>>212844333>belonging to an anti-LGBT church?he does though? He didn't attend Hillside (the outspoken anti gay church)..he goes to Zoe, where it isn't flat out said...but was started by a preacher from Hillside lol
>>212844333It's so funny and weird how fauxmoi treats men like Pratt or Cavill tantamount to war criminals
>>212851693Did i ask for your opinion on a random scene in the film? Did I ? Whats that? I didnt? I said Zodd is the good guy, of which he fucking is.
>>212852006Cause you went on a totally besides-the-point tangent about Zod being the good guy when I wasn't remarking on that and clarified it some more.
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>>212836727 (OP)>A movie that was never intended to start a shared universe, pissing everyone off with its bleak tone and questionable narrative decisions like "stop, my invincible son" and having a depressed sociopathic Superman kill more people than he saves, including Zod. It's a hilarious mess that still has people mad to this day.Filtered.
>>212836727 (OP)MoS was kino and I didn't watch anything else you listed but it's the best Superman film we'll ever get
Snyder's mostly a hacky retard and it was all foiled by execs trying to clumsily recreated the MCU
>>212852042DONT MAKE ME RELEASE THE WORLD ENGINE IN YOUR ASS ANON I WILL FUCKING DO IT AND YOU WONT LIKE IT ONE BIT DONT EVER REPLY TO ME AGAIN OR DENY ZODD IS INFACT A GOOD GUY OR THE GOODEST OF GUYS.
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It was fun while it lasted. At least we got a glimpse of superkino.
>>212836727 (OP)>A movie that was never intended to start a shared universeit was at this moment i knew you were gonna be talking out your ass
that being said everything else is mostly true
ryan reynolds' green lantern was supposed to jumpstart the dceu but it flopped and was panned, mos was the second kickstart
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>>212845460You say this with a shelf full of Funkopops. Did you enjoy MCU?
It spawned Gunn's Suicide Squad which is unironically in my top 5 CBMs ever, so at least it did one thing right. Aquaman and ZSJL werent bad either. The rest either I didnt see or it was absolutely awful. Suicide Squad is probably the worst superhero movie ever made but its not entirely Ayers fault, fuck WB. Not like his cut would have been any good anyway
>>212851447>unless Zaslav decides to break Cavill out againno fucking chance cavill agrees to that after what happened with black adam
Bits and pieces of Snyderverse were great. Bits and pieces were absolutely horse shit. His vision with a competent writing team would have been something special. McQuarrie’s take would have been interesting as well. This whole thread is seething Gunntard cope (even the writing style just wreaks of soft faced, close set eyes, fat neck with rectangular glasses effeminate faggotry). OP sucks a lot of cock and it shows in xis writing.
>>212852241>It spawned Gunn's Suicide Squad which is unironically in my top 5 CBMs everso you haven't seen many CBMs then and also have bad taste
>>212839920I hope Flagg Sr. is played by Joel Kinoman. I don't care if it doesn't make sense. That was the only thing I really disliked about "the" suicide squad.
>>212836727 (OP)op, how long did it take you to write this up?
also what the fuck is a blue beetle?
>>212837602You have to be a deranged misogynist to think all those shitty movies are good but somehow BoP is the bad one.
>>212852607Lol Sr is Frank Grillo. He was cast ages ago, voiced the guy in Creature Commandos, and then played him in person in S25
>>212852554Snyder lost, saar.
>>212852678What a piece of shit this entire dcu is
>>212852704ok pedo apologizer
>>212836752>Reddit directs after Snyder daughter an heros>Flops>Remove snyderExcellent logic
>>212839960Now post sources to each one. I don't fuckin believe a lot of these
>>212836727 (OP)I stopped watching after BvS, and clearly made the right choice.
>>212852997nta but it's legit, just look up dceu announcements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe#Canceled_and_reworked_projects
hamada was intent on rivaling the mcu at every possible chance no matter the flop
Not sure where Birds of Prey came from but I know Joker was supposed to be a Jared Leto movie
>>212836727 (OP)>>212836752>>212836790>>212836816The most mismanaged movie franchise ever. From very divisive/negative begginings, but with enough financial gain/positive reception that made it last way longer than it should've. It's later numbers are embarrasing.
>>212853196honestly it's kind of impressive how hamada released nothing but back to back flops over the course of 4 years
i do think gunn squad would've fared better had it not been in that awkward covid area where people were really picking and choosing what films were worth the exposure
>>212853196The people have spoken, and they want more Aquaman
>>212836727 (OP)>Zionist war criminal.You can say kike here.
>>212836727 (OP)>depressed sociopathic Superman kill more people than he saves, including ZodYou had me until there.
Comicbook geeks are fucking retarded and should be barred from discussing Films.
You should go back to reading comic books and discussing power levels with all the other manchilds that care about this crap.
>>212838918>Gunnverse is the future.LOL, that shit is so fucking dead.
Gunn is like 10 years late to the party
>>212853377specifically more aquaman with no amber heard
>>212853537>Comicbook geeks are fucking retarded and should be barred from discussing Filmsindeed
>>212853359The Suicide Squad had everything going against it
>sequel to a reviled movie that, while it made money, is now remembered more as a joke>near identical title to said movie>R-rated>released in a time where interest in DC was falling>released on HBO Max at the same time>released during Covid
>>212853196snyder era is until aquaman, jeoff only put mcu jokes in the reshoots.
>aquaman, the laughing stock of DC, made a billionmore funny than gunn's superman with critics in his side and the biggest shill campaign ever created losing against man of steel.
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I always heard some true believers claim Snyder's work was deep, or there was a 2deep4u aspect that the masses didn't get, and to this day I have no idea what the fuck he was going for other than the claimed King Arthur inspiration which is just okay sure utilizing a different storytelling structure gives us what? Gunn in his DC films films critiqued the US government in TSS, and denounced Israel in Superman, while still services the characters and having the films work independent of that subtext. I just have never understood the claimed depth I am apparently missing in Snyder's work, BvS in particular.
>>212836727 (OP)>Man of SteelIt is a good movie and Snyder's visuals are top tier. It mogs nuSuperman. That "stop, my invincible son" has been blow so much out of proportion, it literally shows how many ppl havent seen that movie and dont know the context of that scene.
>BvSA disappointment to be sure, but it looks cool. It was enjoyable, and not as bad as people say. Snyder got real hate for that movie.
>Suicide SquadCringe kino
>Wonder WomanStill a good movie, and I dont care if Gal is a Zionist shill
>Justice LeagueIt was a mess because Snyder had to leave before production was finished. Thankfully the Snyder cut did Justice to it
>AquamanDecent capeslop with good underwater visuals
>ShazamA fun 7/10 capeshit movie
>Birds of PreyTrash
>WW 1984Trash
>SnydercutAlmost as good as MCU Endgame, but for different reasons
>The suicide squadA decent but forgettable slop with le colorful visuals. Just like nuSuperman
>Black AdamRuined by the Rock
>Shazam 2meh
>>212853826>That "stop, my invincible son" has been blow so much out of proportion, it literally shows how many ppl havent seen that movie and dont know the context of that scene.Nope. Superman will always save someone, no exception. Pa Kent will always encourage him too, as well. Anything less is a poor understanding of the character.
>>212853826>it literally shows how many ppl havent seen that movie and dont know the context of that scene.fuck off, "ohh pa kent didn't want him to reveal his powers" yeah we fucking it get it doesn't mean it's executed well. BvS is a piece of shit too.
>The Suicide Squad is forgettable slopsorry that C-Listers like Peacemaker v Rick Flagg/Bloodsport ended up being a more compelling match-up character and plot wise than Batman v Superman.
>>212853913t. didn't watch the film
>>212842931You're taking this too seriously.
>>212853957Nta, but we all saw it. It fundamentally ruins Pa Kent.
>My son if you have to save someone but expose your identity, DONT because the government will ruin your life and society may treat you like a monsterOnly a complete pessimist nihilistic fag could think like this
>>212853797>I always heard some true believers claim Snyder's work was deep, or there was a 2deep4u aspect that the masses didn't get, and to this day I have no idea what the fuck he was going forRealism, simple as. The king author stuff is nothing more than glorified easter eggs and metaphors. Moby Dick too.
>Gunn in his DC films films critiqued the US government in TSS, and denounced Israel in SupermanIn quotations sure. It’s done in like the most rudimentary way. If Snyder has the “subtly of a hammer” then what the hell does that make Gunn.
>>212839674>>212839745Most analysts agree that WB understands they need to build trust in the DC brand again, and as long as Superman doesn't lose money AND it seems like people generally like the movie, they're going to move forward with the Gunnverse
Superman's soft overseas pull is going to prevent it from being a smash hit but it's playing well domestically. It will probably get a sequel, and the next few DC movies are small projects that don't need to gross $500m just to break even
>>212854030lol, was he wrong tho? The glowies would have been all over him once they heard that there is a country guy out there with superpowers. If nothing else, BvS showed how vulnerable Superman is, and his powers are nothing when his loved ones are in danger. Snyderverse is a gritty take on DCU and Kent's father logic makes sense
>>212854095>If Snyder has the “subtly of a hammer” then what the hell does that make Gunn.being subtle does not equate to being good.
There's subtext to pick up on with Gunn and the illusion of subtext with Snyder that may or may not be there but fans will insist is there.
>"realism"the fuck?
>>212854149>yes superman should be actively concerned about CIA shenanigans, and be willing to hide himself from glowies at the cost of other peoples lives.
>>212853826I disagree on Black Adam. Pierce’s Dr.Fate was kino and made the film a net positive barely. Everything that wasn’t the Justice Society was awful though.
>>212854117>le critics is more important than money>the same company who destroyed his brand because they wanted billion dollar movies.KEK.
>>212837725It all changed after that.
Even today when one of his latest videos is recommended to me he seems like an automaton who has no passion for reviewing anymore.
>>212854030again you didn't see the film. there's so much more to his message than STOP INVINCIBLE SON.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEfoNXQDWBs
>>212854225The point is Gunn doesn’t use subtext, he just lays it out there. His movies are the most straightforward comedies ever which is why they have mass appeal. If you’re trying to make the argument that Gunn is “deep” I don’t even think he would agree with you.
>>212854280Audience engagement and word of mouth can be determined by week to week holds. Batman v. Superman had a great opening weekend but dropped like a stone in its second weekend. Sinners had a decent opening weekend but dropped only like 4% in its second because everyone told their friends to go see it.
Superman isn't gonna hit a billion dollars but if it has a really good hold in its second weekend that means people like it
>>212854267Unironically yes, because they can outsmart Superman and ultimately cause bigger casualties with him in their arsenal.
Also, do everyone really deserve to be saved? Clark should have adopted as National Geographic approach when it comes to humans, and live his life in peace. Of course, the upcoming events would eventually force Clark Kent to come out of his supercloset, but assuming nothing supernatural happens, Clark's best approach to life is "only superlook but not supertouch"
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>>212854373I said "Gunn in his DC films films critiqued the US government in TSS, and denounced Israel in Superman, while still services the characters and having the films work independent of that subtext." and I stand by that, don't put words in my mouth.
>doesn't use subtextbrother everyone uses subtext the level of subtly to it's delivery is irrelevant as I said by stating subtly does not inherently equate to quality.
>>212854389>Superman isn't gonna hit a billion dollars but if it has a really good hold in its second weekend that means people like itthey're already forecasting a > 50% drop, it's expected to only bring in about $50 million this weekend
it's not bvs levels but it's still pretty bad
>>212854495subtlety* on both spelling mistakes.
I understand preferring Civil War or Winter Soldier over BvS but to brush it off as utter garbage below mcu phase 4/5 shit is without a doubt complete nonsense. You’re either terminally online or terminally ill or both.
>>212836816>Blue Beetle>No one saw this.Gunn still plans to fold Blue Beetle and at least part of the movie into his new DCU. Which I guess is more than can be said about Shazam.
>>The FlashThere's more
The intent of The Flash was to reboot the DCEU, so that Michael Keaton would replace Ben Affleck, and Superman would get replaced by Supergirl, so the original ending was Flash finding out that the Snyderverse still kept Keaton and Sasha Calle around. Keaton would generally only do cameos in other films because Batgirl would be the primary Bat character in the rebooted DCEU. The Batgirl movie was supposed to set that up.
Then Zaslav took over and shelved Batgirl for a tax write-off. There was a brief window in between Zaslav taking over (and firing most of the major people running WB before he came on board) and James Gunn and Peter Safran getting chosen to take control of DC films, and during that time producers Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy wanted to change the ending of The Flash to be the same as the original but also include Henry Cavill as Superman.
After Black Adam didn't do as well as WB wanted it, Gunn/Safran took over control of DC films, and the old plans for the DCEU were thrown out, Gunn changed the ending to have Clooney at the end instead.
I still don't know if all those CGI cameos were originally in the plans or not.
>>212854816>I still don't know if all those CGI cameos were originally in the plans or not.Ben Affleck also did a cameo for The Aquaman 2, which apparently was more serious before Gunn demanded new reshoots.
The new ending with Ocea Master eating bugs was also an idea given by Gunn.
>>212842823>And then there’s that black writer (Coates I think?) who was working on a 1930s black Superman and Asian Lois. Like what the fuck Hamada.It wasn't just Coates, it was under JJ Abrams. I never heard that they were going to have an Asian Lois though, is there proof of that?
But yeah in 2019 before Rise of Skywalker was released, WB signed a deal with JJ Abrams that included various projects like a sci-fi show he was supposed to do, the Black Superman movie, and a bunch of Justice League Dark projects (Madame X and Constantine were in the planning/casting stages before they got the plug pulled)
>>212854117Their greed tanked their trust. Rebuilding trust with greed won't work.
>>212854883Affleck's scene in Aquaman 2 was a replacement for Keaton during the time it appeared that The Flash was going to be released after it.
>>212854883>Ben Affleck also did a cameo for The Aquaman 2, which apparently was more serious before Gunn demanded new reshoots.Oh shit, I forgot
Okay so the original intent for that was they had Keaton doing the cameo at first, because Aquaman 2 was going to take place after The Flash.
Then after production troubles and I THINK when De Luca and Abdy were willing to bring Cavill and Affleck back, they filmed Affleck doing the cameo instead, saying that Aquaman 2 takes place before Flash.
But then after Gunn took over they dropped the Bruce Wayne cameo entirely.
>>212854389>James Gunn's "Superman" had a total production budget of $225 million, with additional marketing costs reported to be around $125 million, bringing the total expenditure to approximately $350 million.good luck.
>>212854816>Gunn changed the ending to have Clooney at the end instead.this was only after bale turned down a cameo
>>212836727 (OP)>BvS was capekino >redditors bitched about it because "muh bleak tone" and "character X would never do Y'>Warner decides to scrap all the plans and try to copy Marvel in a rush>it sucksShort summary.
>>212854995No, Bale turned it down long before the movie started shooting.
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>>212836727 (OP)>Superman kill more people than he savesProof?
>>212854995>>212855034WB has dangled truckloads of money in front of Bale for the past decade. He absolutely refuses to have anything to do with Batman ever again unless Nolan is involved
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>>212836816You fucked your own credibility by lying about Ezra Miller. It’s time you all killed yourselves over this. Nobody was kidnapped, nobody was groomed, nobody was assaulted. You can prove this yourself by going to Lakota Law or Chase Iron Eyes on Instagram and asking, or by reading the deep files for your fucking selves. It was only ever scammers trying to scam money.
>>212855101Ezra won't fuck you bro, give up.
>>212836752>“unironic comedy” for Aquaman. no hate, I think the word you’re looking for is “bathetic”
>>212855155the Indians won’t fuck you either, but will kill you, take your money, and then blame it all on whitey
why defend a scam?
where have the snyder shills come out from all of a sudden?
>>212855065zod and superman crash through an empty building therefore mass murder happens even though the canon death toll was under 10,000
>>212847820The idea was that it was to tie-in with Black Adam that way, probably back when they thought it still had a chance
>>212855028it's really telling when people are incapable of deciphering tasteful kino versus instant appeasement slop
i just read some jackass article from a ding-dong who not only proclaimed that jewman was a mess of a film, but was a 7.5/10 and now his second favorite film. this is the world we live in.
>>212855819So it's not woke now?
>>212855028>>redditors bitched about it because "muh bleak tone" and "character X would never do Y'Given that Superman is a cultural icon with basically the same characteristics for 99% of his existence in mainstream form, yes, it's FINE for audience members to not at all like the Snyder interpretation. It's also FINE you like them but come the fuck on, don't give me the I AM A SUPERIOR BEING routine for enjoying them.
>>212855920>with basically the same characteristics for 99% of his existence in mainstream formWhy are you lying?
>>212855977Educate me otherwise? I was very much under the impression Superman in his mainstream form has been a cheerful, hopeful, and deeply compassionate man who isn't emotionally repressed or laconic to a fault.
>>212855918>So it's not woke now?have you seen the amount of brownoids in the film? i'm not talking about moner or mr. terrific, or even the tired continuing trend of racebending perry white. the film literally makes sand people part of the plot. some people are trying to claim it's an anti-israel message but the fake slavic country trying to take over the fake -stan land is more along the russia/ukraine lines and has a jew crying over a dead muslim, and also said fake sand country looks like it was filmed in an empty lot. i'm not even sure woke is the right term, it's just a mess.
>>212855920MoS is 10/10 kino and true cinema but I can see how the super nerds and dorks got mad about it and had a melty
>>212853196>>212853776>snyder era is until aquaman, jeoff only put mcu jokes in the reshoots.It should be Snyder/Geoff Johns/Jon Berg era because Whedon Justice League is out of Snyder's hands (even though it uses his footage) while Aquaman 1 was released after and Wan got advice from Snyder
>>212856030Superman Returns came out before MoS, and in the comics we went through the most grindark period in comics ever made before where Superman was characterized as a pussy that let other heroes kill villains, mind rape Batman, and so on all because he didn't want to wreck the boat and ended in tons of rape, death, and destruction which Superman took part in. Before that we had the DCAU where Superman was super serious and prone to anger where most of the big plots were a result of Superman being mind raped by Darkseid into destroying Earth.
>>212856030>I was very much under the impression Superman in his mainstream form has been a cheerful, hopeful, and deeply compassionate man who isn't emotionally repressed or laconic to a faultthat is a beautiful description of snyder's take
last i recalled superman doesn't get upset over social media.
>>212856088I actually had complaints that revolved around stuff like the moviemakers not actually dealing with the consequences of their decisions which itself is antithetical MoS being praised as 'adult', as a matter of fact. I can go into them if you'd like.
>>212856098But Snyder Superman did get weighed down by people thinking he killed those men in Africa, dubious of his existence being a good thing, etc. Corenswet Superman got weighed down by people think he's an alien sleeper agent sent here to conquer and harm people. That's actually an instant of an equivalence between the two versions lol
>>212856204>But Snyder Superman did get weighed down by people thinking he killed those men in Africa, dubious of his existence being a good thing, etc. >Corenswet Superman got weighed down by people think he's an alien sleeper agent sent here to conquer and harm peopleone of these is actually respectful to the source material and the proper questions to ask regarding the concept
the other is just juvenile humor that is very out of place and treats a well-regarded character like a joke
>>212856317I actually think that the idea of Superman having a secret harem of female human was a cool concept to explore.
>>212856370i'm sure you do since you're terminally online and don't go outside unless mandated by federal law (aka your father)
what i find hilarious is that the whole "superman is an immigrant story" defense flies in the face of the film's logic, since most immigrants come to other countries and then start raping
in other words the film is pro rapefugee and i simply won't have it
>>212856139its not a perfect film, its a near 10/10 for capeshit.
With a film with that scale and destruction its hard to fully deal with consequences.
At least they tried in BvS, in the new Superman apparently not a single civilian died when the portal split reality and a whole city in half
DC going for le gritty realism after the Nolan era was a mistake.
Marvel managed to deliver a version of Captain America who was cool and stoic and could fight waves of goons by himself and lift Thor's Hammer. But they didn't sacrifice his friendly nature or optimism, even when the aesthetic became darker. I would dare say that Chris Evans Cap was like Christopher Reeve Superman for a generation. DC missed out on that with Henry Cavill being so divisive, and are desperately trying to course correct.
>>212853359While these stemmed from bad decisions from WB, I will say this:
Birds of Prey was released about a month before the COVID lockdowns happened. It still likely would've flopped without COVID, though, WW84 and The Suicide Squad came out around the time of the COVID stuff and the idiotic Studio Streaming Wars where every studio was convinced they can do their own streamer without realizing how much it undercut things
When Black Adam didn't do as well as WB wanted they announced Gunn and Safran taking over DC and Gunn announced a reboot, which likely affected the films that came after because the audience realized they were in no hurry to see the films that came after. Aquaman 2 somehow did ok though.
>>212856440Yeah, it is kind of weird the movie being this pro-immigrant stuff and, maybe, anti-Trump, to the point of Gunn even using that as a marketing tactic but then in the movie itself Superman, the big immigrant, was sent to Earth by his parents to conquer and rape. So... i don't know where they are going with that.
>>212856475cavill shouldn't have been divisive as he was. MoS and parts of BvS are way more kino than marvelslop
if they didn't rush justice league crap and had a proper Batfleck movie that explains why he kills several non-superpowered goons casually in BvS, they would have saved the snyderverse
>>212856542cavill wasn't divisive at all
it was the lacking attention span of the general audience that couldn't understand a comic book film not made by nolan could be dark and mature while still holding to its roots
really i think it was casting jesse eisenberg as lex luthor that distracted people from it
Their problems started when they tried to force Man of Steel as their first movie in a cinematic universe when it was never intended to be that way. It was just a movie Nolan and Goyer thought up while making TDKR. So then their next logical step is introduce Batman, but since Marvel was already well into their universe they felt the need to catch up so start introducing the entire Justice League in this Superman sequel. Just bad decision after bad decision once after MoS. If they were smart they would have paid Nolan infinite money to oversee their cinematic universe and let him make decisions.
>>212854149Your problem, saar, is that you think movies should be this realistic. Nolan ruined your brain
>>212856662exactly this series would have been super successful if they had a proper batman film before the wet rushed shart of BvS and eventually justice league
>>212856662I'm still mad about the Krypton prequel movie Russell Crowe was hyping up.
>>212856497>which likely affected the films that came after because the audience realized they were in no hurry to see the films that came after.I don´t think the reboot announcement affect the numbers that much, normies just didn´t give a fuck aboout the DCEU by then
>>212856662>Their problems started when they tried to force Man of Steel as their first movie in a cinematic universe when it was never intended to be that waycan you stop spreading this lie? i already told op that green lantern was meant to be the start of the dceu but when it failed they tried again with mos. if mos wasn't meant to be the start of a cinematic universe the wayne satellite easter egg wouldn't have been there in plain sight.
>>212856705it turned into a syfy original series
>>212856940>it turned into a syfy original seriesThat shit was so hilarious, specially when the Ray Fisher chimping caused everyone to go after WB and one black writer for the syfy show accused Geoff Johns of being racist because he didn't want to hire a black actor to play Superman's grandpa.
I'm bringing this up because Johns defense was that the show was supposed to be a prequel to MoS, and so they needed an actor that looked like Cavill, but Johns was the fucker that ruined any chance of there being a prequel movie tied to MoS, or a prequel show tied to MoS as well. He hijacked that show and stripped it from anything that could relate it to MoS.
>>212856940>if mos wasn't meant to be the start of a cinematic universe the wayne satellite easter egg wouldn't have been there in plain sight.It's barely even noticeable and lasts all of 2 seconds. There's no other references to anything. MoS was just a pet project of David Goyer's with Nolan's backing. It was never intended to be the start of anything and I challenge you to find me direct quotes from either of them proving otherwise, not a 2 second easter egg. There's easter eggs in tons of movies that never amount to anything. They decided to use it as a starting point after the fact when they canceled the real MoS sequel and turned it into a Batman movie with a bunch of Justice League nonsense that kills the pacing.
>>212857403Stabler's character, the general that anhero himself, was supposed to also be an easter egg. He's named after a obscure as fuck DC character known as The Guardian, named Jim Harper, who in the comics was police officer in Metropolis' Suicide Slum, the shittiest part of the town.
In the movie he is, of course, a member of the United States Air Force, but even that he goes by the call sign "Guardian".
>>212857403>It was never intended to be the start of anything and I challenge you to find me direct quotes from either of them proving otherwise, not a 2 second easter egg.i already told you idiot, after green lantern's failure the plan was to launch with mos because they had nothing else going at the time
it's already common knowledge that zack was working on bvs before mos even released
https://archive.org/details/Entertainment_Weekly_July_10_2015/page/n29/mode/2up
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2014/04/17/exclusive-interview-with-zack-snyder-director-of-batman-vs-superman/?sh=aa71a247bf45
>>212836727 (OP)I am glad the whole DC=realistic is fucking dead in the water. No, DC characters should not be fucking realistic. Their whole appeal is being larger than life characters. Nolan has done a lot of damage with his Batman movies. Gotham should be a gothic urban nightmare, not Chicago.
>>212857600>Their whole appeal is being larger than life charactersYou can be grounded and larger than life.
>>212836790>Ended up being (unsurprisingly) a forgettable ugly mess of a movie that failed at the box office and was lampooned by critics as a massive piece of shit. The Rock continued to defend it after release and made up a bunch of lies claiming that it generated a profit before both he and Cavill were fired (again for Cavill).LMAO I forgot what a disaster Black Adam was
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>>212836727 (OP)The unfucked with Snyder DC movies are great. Suck a dick faggot.
The Hamada era is fucking insane to think about because they were going in multiple directions
They planned to do a post-Snyder DCEU where they intended to replace Affleck with Michael Keaton and Cavill with Sasha Calle, also with the intent of Keaton playing Batman as a mentor cameo role while Batgirl is the primary Bat-character of the DCEU. Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Flash would be carried over from the Snyderverse
Then had Matt Reeves doing his own thing with The Batman, which Hamada claimed was not on the same Earth as DCEU and was on "Earth 2" in articles.
Then there was the deal with JJ Abrams where he was going to do a Black Superman movie with Coates and also develop Justice League Dark stuff (Constantine and Madame Xanadu were already in the works for HBO MAX TV, Zatanna was rumored for a film)
They supposedly had a deal with Michael B Jordan to do a Val Zod project
The Arrowverse was still going on and for inexplicable reasons even though JJ Abrams didn't even release Constantine yet, WB barred the Arrowverse from using their Constantine because of the WB embargo
There was going to be a Green Lantern TV show that didn't have anything to do with the Arrowverse or DCEU supposedly, and would've just spotlighted various Green Lanterns in different decades that DCEU wasn't using
They had the Pennyworth TV show which was basically about Young Alfred in a world setting up V For Vendetta
They agreed to the Black Adam project with The Rock
Can you imagine what would've happened if COVID never happened? Would they have crashed and burned fast the same way as IRL or would it have been a slower burn where flops just ended up underperformers?
>>212856663Snyderverse is gritty, which means that Supes is not the happy go lucky retard who wears his underwear over his pants and saves people with no questions asked. It makes more sense to be realistic.
>SaarNot a jeet. Snyderverse was made for white people first and foremost. Gunn's Superman is all about immigrants and brown people, but you couldn't figure it out because you are retarded