Arthouse, Classics, Effortposting.
Slap Your Bitch Ass Edition.
>QOTDDo you think the slap is the most cinematic form of violence?
>BonusDo you inflate your cheeks when you get mad?
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Queen of /film/
>>212838866That's my line.
>>212838891 (OP)That was the last movie that made me feel something.
>>212838891 (OP)>QODWhen it's a man doing to a woman, yes.
>BonusNo.
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There's always a bigger fish and shit, nigga - P. Diddy.
>>212839285He's getting nothing but yuca frita con mojito from me.
>>212838891 (OP)>no remake starring Chris Rock
I have to drop her. She did a cigarette commercial once. It's over.
>>212839876Good luck finding one from that time who's not involved with cigarettes.
>>212839876I bet she was on that za.
>>21283987690% of actresses smoke either cigarettes or weed.
>>212840028Technically it was only 50% of adult americans who smoked (if memory serves). Although anyone that can tolerate living in new york city probably isn't all too put off by cigarettes either.
>>21284009710% is statistically significant my friend
>>212838891 (OP)Goodbye, my darling Hussey edition! Hello, Zulawski edition! (Get it, because Zuzu is a fat clown.)
>>212839876>implying cigarettes are bad for youIt's toasted.
I made my way through all of David Cronenberg's films. I'm a big fan of his late stage autism era. I'm a big Cosmopolis fan (Paging Gadonposter... Paging Gadonposter...). My favourite performances in his oeuvre were by Kristen Stewart in Crimes of the Future and by Jeremy Irons and Snori Ymerej in Dead Ringers. My most hated of his films was the original Crimes of the Future. The most boring was Spider. The most unexpectedly based was Fast Company, the car joint with John Saxon. Completionist run waifu: JJL in EXISTENZ. Sorry to Bujoldbro, sorry to Gadonbro. Best line delivery of the run: The ICE.................................................. is gonna BREAK.
>>212840430His best films are the ones with Sarah Gadon
>>212840430Based flick. Jennifer Jason Leigh was incredibly hot in it. Kind of looks like Dasha, too.
>>212840611You think everyone looks like Dasha.
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>>212840844I mean, doesn't she?
On that note, I can't believe Noah Baumbach left her for Greta fucking Gerwig. I already wasn't a fan of his, but that truly cemented my dislike of his character. I don't even care if JJL is a staunch Zionist, it's inexcusable.
>>212840430Best Cronenberg girl is Marilyn Chambers, and im not normally big on blondes. Even though I know she was a porn star, there's a sort of natural warmth and femininity that she has that makes you really care about her in Rabid.
>>212840844Sent him flying.
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>>212841025https://youtu.be/XUHyTtZfjbo
He's pretty charming desu. I believe Martin Scorsese once compared his presence to that of a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.
>>212841025Sarah Gadon is best Cronenberg girl and it ain't even close.
I have to drop him. He did a cigarette commercial once. It's over.
cronenchad pumped and dumped gadon when she walled, its why shes stuck doing north of normal and flint when she couldve been in crimes of the future and shrouds
Just watched Paris, Texas for the the first time.
Absolutely loved it, and found it extremely sad.
I went on Reddit and letterboxd to see what people thought and I feel like they watched a completely different movie than me?? I felt like they're just impressing on their hatred for their white fathers into Travis and accusing him of all sort of shit that's not actually in the movie.
>>212841970Be the change you want to see.
>>212841970You can't talk about the Crone' here without that crazy Paki interjecting. It is what it is.
>>212842005P*ris T*xas is Blacked slop
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>>212842005>reading box'd reviewsWell there's your problem.
Glad you liked it though, its a masterpiece no matter what contrarians on here say.
>>212842005What? Travis is not a good guy
>>212841970The last thread was better and that isn't saying much.
>>212842058Make a Change...
>>212842005Travis was a fucking macho ass chauvinist, he deserves the rape at the end
Every frame of the film lets us know that its director, Wim Wenders, loves
the West, as a real place and as a very theatrical setting. I daresay the same
could be said for Sam Shepard. The music, by Ry Cooder, is about as perfect
as such music could be, and Robby Müller’s imagery is very moving. But it
doesn’t work, or cohere—even though it moves one, and I’m not sure that
many films are as moving and as incoherent. It is shot through with a kind
of attitudinizing male romanticism that one can easily see coming from
Nicholas Ray, a man Wenders knew and loved and filmed at his death in
Lightning over Water. And it is as uncomfortable as that film. I used to like it
very much. I now see it as a “problem” film. And I wonder if I will live long
enough to hate it.
remember to bathe regularly /film/
>>212842579I got no chin, nigga, you can't hit me!
>>212842147>>212842170Maybe I'm a retard but what did Travis do wrong in the film? Not 4 years ago, he obviously did bad things. Then. But in the story proper he knows everything he did in his marriage was wrong and he's on a quest to make things right.
>>212842667Some people think Travis, because of his past actions, didn't deserve to reclaim his son and give him back to his mother.
>>212842667I was just joking; Travis in reality was just a very troubled individual suffering from dissociative identity disorder, look into it. I don't think he did anything really bad per say, not even in his life before psychosis. The way I see it, people are people, and I can understand Travis being a very jealous and conflicted individual in his relationship with Natassja, because he's a 100% a victim of some deep trauma himself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueFilm/comments/1m2u7au/have_you_ever_liked_certain_parts_of_a_movie_but/
We got him
>>212842807He's the boys father, and Hunter clearly loved him. I'm seeing all these posts about Travis taking Hunter out of a loving home, but the brother's marriage was clearly rocky and without Hunter I think it will dissolve.
Both Travis and Jane were abusive, and even though I'm a zoomer I don't think fully adult women are toddlers, so she's culpable for her actions as well. The inciting incident of the story is her trying to murder him by setting their house (and life) on fire.
>>212843198>unironically discussing Blacked
>>212843383He wasn’t talking about True Detective season 3 thoughbeit
>>212843150It's like you knew exactly where to look.
>>212843383There wasn't a single black person in that movie.
>>212843639You are Pakistani. That itself is cope.
>>212842214Least nonsensical and poorly formatted anti-Paris contrarianism. "Attitudinizing" isn't a word btw.
No other film had captured the pain of regret or the bittersweet relief of closure as effectively, and few have the power to transport you to a time and place like it does.
>>212843071To me Travis is a cautionary figure, a reminder to not let your worst qualities triumph over your love for someone especially when that love is tested. It was ultimately his decision to let his demons destroy a good thing rather than be healed by it.
>>212843198I always thought it was implied that Jane turned the stove on by accident when she freed herself. She doesn't seem malicious.
>>212843676You are a cuck. Your entire life is a cope.
>>212843743Imagine her splashing sulfuric acid in her face, it would be a massive improvement.
Serious contender for worst thread of the year.
>>212841025Sarah Gadon is best Cronenberg girl and it ain't even close
Serious contender for best thread of the year.
>>212843823Only one thing can save it:
Harperbro's effortpost.
>>212843150Not me but that's funny as fuck someone else just watched it.
I loved the film and I don't think Travis did anything wrong.
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>>212843922>expectations are rising in real-time
>>212844060You're fucked dude, whatever you deliver is gonna get scrutiny, shouldn't have anounced it, dug yourself a deep hole.
Is Fallen Angels worth watching?
I'm not normally into gook shit but the cinematography of the trailer looks really interesting
>>212844060I don't know what it's about, but it can't be that bad, surely?
>>212844209Only if you like WKW or are into aesthetics over substance cinema. I think WKW's works are super boring.
>>212844272>>212844303I'll probably pass on it.
I'm trying to watch one movie a day this whole week because I have some extra time.
Is Book of Life any good or is it pseud slop?
>>212844400Good card, dunno about the movie.
Watch some obscure noirs by Cagney, Bogart or Lang if you can't think of a movie to watch.
>>212842005Paris, Texas has to be one of the most overrated movies. I genuinely don't understand the acclaim it has received. The colour in some scènes look nice, but it really isn't that special. Just a romance movie that is slightly different than other romance movies. There's also some scènes that drag way too long and they feel very theatrical. Terrible film.
>>212844638It is very overrated, but terrible is overkill. It's just a very decent film, 3.5/5.
>>212844638You dropped this, king.
>>212844850We're all dunces here.
>>212844480I like this meme.
>>212844692>It's just a very decent film, 3.5/5.My exact opinion.
>>212844692Yeah, terrible is perhaps overkill. The movie is just very bland in my opinion. Letterboxd fags need to watch something good like Eisenstein
>>212844638I don’t care about “dragging”. Slow can be good. Wenders cannot direct the english language to save his life. He has a couple great actors, Stanton and. Stockwell, and somehow he gets the worst delivery out of them. Watching interviews with him I genuinely believe he does not comprehend the syntax of the english language. It’s such a German trait to be exceptionally well read and socially inept. In PT this doesn’t totally ruin the movie, but it’s much worse in End of Violence.
The Road Trilogy is pretty good tho.
>>212845012I love her so much it's unreal.
>>212845057>>212845150Yeah because those are three kino guys.
>>212845314They are.
I also enjoy the power aspect of the meme.
Any got a Letterboxd list of the favorite movies of cool users? Tired of watching 3 star movies I want to spend a month watch everyones favorite movies
What is your favorite silent film?
>>212845385What's a cool user to you? I bookmarked a dozen of profiles based on some combinations of ratings which I take for similarity of taste. But favorite films is the thing I give the least shit about in their profiles, I mainly care about their rating patterns and sometimes reviews.
>>212843733>"Attitudinizing" isn't a word btw.This again. Are you really a Texan native?
>>212845571Sarah Gadon played a native Texan once
>>212845507Yeah favorite film doesn't matter. I don't have a lot of people I follow only 7 but I made a list of everything every person I follow rated over 4.5 stars. I think you could make a good list if you had like a 100 cool people
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>>212845012>>212845291Kate and The Residents linked up. Need it or keep it?
At the premiere in the Netherlands
>Grandrieux tells us that one of his main influences is the silent movie. Silent movies have spots on the film, the cuts are clearly visible, it's rough, 'it stays in the ears, even when you can't hear the sound'. And Sombre is rough and dirty. In some scenes you can almost touch objects, for example hair or a woman's thy. Other scenes are very serene and still, but you still feel the objects. Grandrieux tells us that he want to make the audience edit the movie realtime. And that was exactly what I did. You need some imagination with this picture, you have to fill in the blanks, because not much information and dialogue is given to you. What Grandriex achieves with this, is a connection between the audience and the film.
Bressonian
>>212845761she was absolutely gorgeous…
>>212845721For me even lists are unnecessary. The beauty of letterboxd is that it's very convenient and fast to navigate manually, by typing straight into the address bar. And that is how I always go, check their ratings by year typing for example someonejohn/film/year/1999. I do the same for profiles that I check out for the first time as well, see their ratings for key years, 1935, 48, 60, 68, 71, 75, 83, etc.
>>212845761I like how they specify she's the one on the left.
>>212845904why you mention me out of nowhere
>>212846089Just the first profile name that came to mind
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>>212845964It was the style at the time
>>212838891 (OP)could this be remade today? it was kino
>>212847288Looks like Robbie Rotten.
>>212847409it's Boris Karloff
>>212847448My point is unaffected by this revelation.
>>212846577kino if you had sex at high school depression-inducing if you didn't
>>212847571>depression-inducing if you didn'thaha yeah imagine...
>>212841752When he knew he had cancer and was
dying, he made an anti-smokibg commercial that I still remember.
I watched half of The Godfather part 2 but got bored and went to bed
I'm going to watch another Ozu film tonight which will hopefully keep my attention better
We're all godfathers here.
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>>212838891 (OP)gonna watch these for the first time, what am I in for? I am not familiar with saar kino at all, I feel like these are the most obvious ones to start with
>>212838950just watched this, can't believe burgers got so excited over this in the 50s, you only see a brief glimpse of her tits
>>212848849They're pretty good. The Chess Players is his best thoughbeit.
>>212848849>voluntarily subjecting yourself to streetshittingFor what purpose?
>>212849120Getting into the mind of a certain /film/ poster.
>>212848849They're pretty close to neorealist cinema from anywhere in the world, no song and dance numbers in them if you're wondering about that.
>>212849069He has so many good films I could give a different answer any day of the week. Today I'd say The Big City is my favorite.
>>212848849>On seeing the film, François Truffaut is reported to have said: "I don't want to see a movie of peasants eating with their hands"
>>212849515If only the brits had succeeded in civilizing them
>>212849391>I could give a different answer any day of the weekTrue. I'm almost as fond of The Music Room as of The Chess Players.
the term neorealist cinema assumes there was once a realist cinema but there wasnt
>>212849750It's to differentiate itself from the Hollywood version of realism I thought
>>212849817>Hollywood version of realismlike there was any realism in hollywood in 1920-1950
>>212850212Pre-code is realistic enough often
Is Leo Carax also de film editor of "C'est pas moi"? In credits only appears "Assistance Montage" people but not a "montage" credited
>>212849750>>212849817From the French 30s realist tradition, which directly influenced Italians, for example Visconti worked as an assistant on Renoir's Toni and and his first film Ossessione - generally considered the first film of Italian neorealism - is in part a homage to that film, stylistically and thematically.
>>212848849read this truth nuke
(not the full version because it's too long, but this is the most important part)
>>212851158>first paragraph Damn that's just Spirit of the beehive
>>212848849most interesting thing to me about them was googling about all the jeet dishes they mention in the films, never heard of mung dal before. wish they didn't eat with their hands though, that was disgusting, especially the 100 year old ugly hag
>>212851158For me Bunuel's antihumanist Los olvidados is merely the reverse side of this coin.
FRed Lavigne belongs in the shkreets and his films belong in the trash.
>>212849515WTF I love Truffraud now
>>212849515kwab holy based
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>>212845904how's my 1935 stack up?
>>212852495I'd instantly skip your profile because I consider The Informer one of the worst acclaimed films ever made. The rest is fine, the only key 1935 film that's missing is Toni.
Why does nobody seem to care about the golden age of animation anymore? Classic film buffs think cartoons are beneath them, and modern animation fans don't even know anything about cartoons made before the 80s. It's just a small group of probably a couple thousand people left in the entire world who still have any interest in an entire era of animation that entertained millions of people for decades and created an entire artform that's now basically dead.
>>212845492Blind Husbands
Zemlya
Sherlock Jr.
Nosferatu
>>212851158whole lotta words to say "I'm a filtered pleb"
>>212852683>because I consider The Informer one of the worst acclaimed films ever madewhy so?
>>212851158>it's boring!That's just, like, your opinion man
>>212853236Apart grom the general staginess and the curious mix of maudlin self-pity and operatic grandiosity - markers of a regular bad film but the worst - it is simply offensive. The film is fatally flawed in it conception of the main character, its treatment by the film's form-content and worst of all his flagrant portrayal by the actor.
>>212853512>markers of a regular bad film but the worstbut not the worst*
>>212842005Arthoes love Paris Texas. I used to love it but Wenders' other work made me realise he's cringe and that I gave it too much credit. Still a pretty nice film.
>>212851158Ozu’s movies are not simple, peaceful, or naturalistic. Most of them aren’t even about poor people. The majority of his films revolve around battles of passive aggression among the middle class, and are too bleak to be overtly humanist.
Trying to codify tropes into a genre is ultimately a form of genre criticism which is the epitome of midwit.
>>212851158>>212854044I don’t like any of the other movies he refers to, but if you seriously buy into this sort of constructed-analogy musing you might as well just be reading Roger Ebert review an Adam Sandler movie. This is the lowest form of criticism and analysis. It conveniently does not require the author to make any specific observations about the movie, and they can just muse about broad conventions “we’ve all seen before”. It removes the need to address such difficult obstacles as, well, acting, editing, sound composition. You know, all the things a movie is actually made of. Instead, film criticism becomes a battle of morals, a sort of armchair philosophy inquiry. These sorts of critics fail to comprehend that while films have a moral component to them, they are ultimately a construction that is appreciated and evaluated as such. A movie is more akin to a statue than a manifesto.
>>212854372Bullshit, simply going through a laudry list of technical aspects would be invaluable and hollow criticism.
>>212851158I don't think this guy has seen any Ozu.
>>212852741I don't know, anon, I watched those cartoons as a kid, played games and owned plushies of them, so I'm a big fan of everything related to old cartoons.
I also have the strange feature of being best friends with two major enthusiasts of classic cartoons.
Lastly, I unironically think my LSD trips during teenage years permanently enhanced my cartoon appreciation (I used to trip to many things, but preferred old Alice Comedies and a Depeche Mode videography). Imo, you need to be highly creative unironically to enjoy and have interest in old animation, and drugs empowered that side of my brain for some reason.
I also kind of like the fact that old animation is becoming obscure, because I hate trends with a passion. The only thing I would change about the state of animation is more high quality anthology releases and more high quality contemporary 2D animation, as I feel cartoons are mostly terrible nowadays; zero creativity.
>>212855132>These sorts of critics fail to comprehend that while films have a moral component to them, they are ultimately a construction that is appreciated and evaluated as such.
I DID NAHT HIT HER
ITS BULLSHIT
i did naht
>>212854372>It conveniently does not require the author to make any specific observations about the movie, and they can just muse about broad conventions “we’ve all seen before”> It removes the need to address such difficult obstacles as, well, acting, editing, sound composition. This just makes you seem easy to impress.
>>212855763not gonna read this AI generated essayslop
>>212855763I will read this peer-reviewed essay.
>>212855763I'll never understand why you keep posting this tryhard's reviews.
>>212856331It's probably the guy himself.
>>212852741>>212855303I love all that stuff, Fleischer, early Disney, Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies, Felix the Cat, all good.
Just ate a hearty stew and I'm feeling sleepy.
>>212856479Based cartoonbro. Favorite cartoon? For me it's Bimbo's Initiation, though the OG Alice in Wonderland from Disney was sick, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSm07stzHZQ
>>212855303It's like I could've written this post. Wild
>>212856694No, it's better.
>>212855764You don’t make any argument for how I would be easy to impress, which is funny because my whole point was these critics talk around a subject much more than they talk about a subject.
>>212855132Yes, being able to even articulate a technical component of a movie is simply too complicated for you, and in your mind is akin to industrial design or a peer review of scientific proofs. The fact is a movie is not only the sum of its parts, but is made of pieces: acting, costumes, editing.. even sound and pictures! It’s far from worthless or overly-technical to comment on these things. Even if a critics point is to convey the feeling of the film as a whole, if they cannot provide a single concrete observation about a movie I’m led to believe they were hardly watching the movie at all. Maybe on their laptop with a phone in one hand.
>>212856777>these critics talk around a subject much more than they talk about a subject.No they dont. You made that up. Talking about plots is talking about the movie.
>>212856859A plot is less than a percent of a movie. If you understood this, you would see I am not easy to impress at all, and most movies are totally devoid of value.
>>212856777>is simply too complicated for youIt's the opposite.
>>212856947I'm not the plotfag btw, i'm
>>212855132 and
>>212856964
>>212856964>>212857000You might as well be plotfag. I might be rude, but at least I put a modicum of effort into what I’m trying to say. Everything you say amounts to basically “no u..”
>go to the letterboxd store
>ask the cute receptionist if the reviews are “plot recap” or “reddit math” e.g. “woah this movie is if like The Texas Chain Saw Massacre met The Addams Family and they had a baby!”
>receptionist laughs and says they’re good reviews anon, also says anon is cute but this is unrelated
>buy letterboxd patron and read the reviews
>they’re plot recap and reddit math
>>212857175the plot recap reviews are the worst, I'd honestly take the dumbass reddit quip reviews over them every single time
>>212855763>contrarian 4chang CHUDS love this movie >>212851116what a twist
>>212857175I imagined JJL as the cute receptionist in this fantasy.
>>212855763You can’t even take the rating as kino confirmed like you can with most pseuds because he hates everything.
>>212857215I wonder if the people who write those are the people who have no internal monologue. Maybe they need to vocalize what they just watched to fully process it.
>>212857232Replace kinski on the chart with her
>>212857384>t. Kyle trying to destabilise waifufag relations
NOOOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT A STORY IN A MEDIUM ABOUT STORIES! !!!!
Is-is that review....talking about the story??? YOU DON'T KNOW FILM!!!!
>>212857436talk about how the movie made you feel, I don't need a highschool book report tier recap of the plot
>>212857413Kyle is forced ahh shit, lil bro, just chill with the forced "maymays".
>>212857175You really made this guy mad lol
>>212857436>>212857489Reddit is crashing out.
>>212857384>replace Kinski on the chart with someone rarely, if ever posted here
YOU NEED TO SEE A BLACK AND WHITE FILM ABOUT A CHILD CRYING!!!! FUCK STORIES
YOU CANNOT APPRECIATE THE WRITING OF A FILM!!!
YOU MUST NOT TALK ABOUT CHARACTER PROGRESSION!!!
>medium about storiesComrades, this man is clearly theatrebrained, take him to the kino infirmary. There is nothing intrinsic to the cinematographic process save the images themselves anon. You are stuck in your ways.
>>212857515JJLposting has changed the hierarchy of power in the /film/ universe…
>>212857547400 BJs
Buhmbee
Toy Story the Third
Inside / Out
C0C0
YOU MUST ONLY TALK ABOUT PRETTY PICTURES
>>212857559>>212857634yeah tall about those things, a plot recap is not talking about those things
>>212857512The Kyle is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Kyle and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out.”
>>212857670Talking about character progression is apart of a plot recap
>>212857640We’ll tie him down and put Mothlight on a loop.
Stupid fucking morons don't even like stories.
>>212845492Either The General or Safety Last
>>212857413Lmao
>>212857711I have no idea what Kyle even means.
>>212857711Forcing a meme is amongst the lowest things a 4channeler can do.
>>212838907>>212838950>Queen of /film/There is only one.
>>212857640I finally watched Pickpocket the other day and I couldn't stop laughing half the time. It's like that fucker was begging to get caught from the first scene.
>>212857786Thank God I wasn't born a plotfag.
>>212857436>>212857489>>212857524>>212857559>>212857634>>212857669>anon runs out into the street waving Pauline Kael’s “when the lights go down” over his headI’M NOT OWNED! SEE? I’M NOT OWNED! I’M NOT OOOOOWWWNNNEEDD!
Plot is an integral part of film structure, dismissing it is dilettante. But then again what can you expect from /film/
>>212857904It is not necessary though, kinda like lyrics in music.
>>212857904Bro just spammed the thread with a crashout and then samefagged this argument lmao
>>212857771Based fellow Maya appreciator.
>>212857821Don't get me wrong, I still thought it was a great, brisk watch. I even listened to Paul fellate it for fifteen minutes afterwards lol christ, he really remade that ending a half-dozen times.
>>212857975I liked the second one better.
>>212857947It's intrinsic, fundamental, analogous to how human tendency of searching for meaning is entrenched either in neurology or language.
>>212852741I also enjoy me some old cartoons from time to time. speaking of, are there any good collections out there with ALL the Merry Melodies/Looney Tunes? according to wikipedia, there should be 1041 shorts
>>212857821It’s funny, there’s almost nothing else like it in his movies. Bobby could clearly make exciting films, but he refused to do it at all points, except for the pickpocketing scenes in that movie, just to make the point that, “Viewer, the act of picking pockets may be making him horny…” and then the rest of the film, they all walk around like Resident Evil 1 characters with tank controls and talk about literature. Great mobie.
>>212858079Nah, it isn't necessary, and oftentimes movies are better with no plot or barely any plot. Aesthetics > plot, just like real people.
>>212858079If it’s intrinsic then there’s no need to force a convoluted plot or even have one at all. If it’s intrinsic the viewer will find their own.
>>212858107It's more like an epic tragedy. The first one is largely an adventure movie.
Anyone got a torrent for It's Not Me by Carax for a seasoned /film/ appreciator
>>212858143>TDP and Largent aren’t excitingguess he should have cast Harrison Ford in a fedora..
No one is saying plot can't be important in a film, you just don't need to include a basic bitch plot summary in a review.
>>212857975no bear no watch
>>212858056I can understand that, I prefer the first one because it has Brunhilde in it. Main issue with the second one is that the siege scene just drags on for little too long and it''s too "Volkisch" for my taste as a slav.
>>212858253why no bear Fritz?
why no bear?
>>212858226Already have one, shitposter on 4chan, and you?
>>212858316Wtf is this real? Did he get mauled??
>>212858164>>212858178This debate is going in circles. Plot is an unnecessary consideration because editing creates continuity. Any additional plot elements are only needed to offer interpretation to the what the viewer is seeing/hearing. Modern movies are more concerned with plot because real audiovisual continuity is hard to do.
>>212858337just a prank Brudi
>>212858164>>212858178You're looking at film as tabula rasa, a thing in itself, and not something that was constructed with intent. If construction is inescapable, intent, meaning and plot also are.
>I never cared for plot, all I need is le girl le gun.
-Jean Luc Godard
>>212858396it should have never been about this in the first places, the post that triggered his meltdown was about plot recaps in reviews, not about plot in films.
>>212858436False lol, so many experimental flicks have no plot. I'd much rather live in a nihilistic filmic world of sensuality than in a christian filmic world of plot, thank you.
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>>212858143I used to think she was "ugly cute" but the older I get, man…
>they all walk around like Resident Evil 1 characters with tank controls and talk about literature.I saw that review on Letterboxd about the Resident Evil foley footsteps and almost cried laughing. Hilariously random but accurate. Someone else was also filtered by the opening scroll claiming it's not a thriller.
Presence or absence of plot has no bearing on a film's value. There isn't one correct way to make a film.
>>212858427The Writer's Bearly Disguised Fetish dot jpg
>>212858483You also have a very narrow view of what constitutes plos, no doubt formed by story continuity standards of hollywood, which you can't overcome despite naively bragging that you have.
What happened in the 50s? Why everyone decided to make depressing movies suddenly? I already watched most of the acclaimed/popular movies from 1930s and 1940s and it wasn't even half as bad.
>>212858483>>212858436Linear continuity is inherently narrative.
>>212858445This guy’s crashout is legendary. He must be 14.
>just cobbled together a shitpost about letterboxd reviews having plot recaps because i wanted an excuse to ‘fupost>10 minutes later /film/ is burning downYou guys can enjoy movies with plots if you want to, you know. I was just talking about the lazy reviews…..
>>212858427NEED IT OR KEEP IT???
>>212858570I actually don't give a fuck, ty.
>>212858583The 50s were the most depressing era of American society.
>>212858583caught between WW2 trauma and nuclear war anxiety
>>212858583>he hasn’t seen broken blossoms
>>212858583There was a uhhhh certain world event that made everyone sad and depressed for a decade or so…
>>212858671I accept your concession.
>>212858758Ok.
Y'all niggas think everything that is said is some kind of weird ass battle for control (I winned btw).
>>212858671>The 50s were the most depressing era of American society.Why? Was it because of post-war exhaustion? Fear of the A-Bomb? I thought there was an economic boom then.
>>212858747Yeah, Italian neorealism.
>>212858817Umberto D left America twisted..
>>212858792those things aint mutually exclusive
The plot question is a matter of preference. Compare it to music. Some prefer singing (plot) over instrumentation (everything else) while others, such as myself, don't care much for singing. It's a lot easier to convey and receive an idea with words.
>>212858291More old kino concept art.
>>212858541That's a lot of her movies now that I think about it...
>>212858649Need it!
>>212858792Puritanical society had no sex, leading to the school shooter crisis of today. The genesis of incelism was the 50s.
>>212858900>implying singing can't be melodical like any other instrumentNGMI
>>212858396Plotless art films are devoid of substance and the film equivalent of pornography.
They are inherently worse than the fast-food Blockbuster movies
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>>212858900>can’t actually make cohesive point>samefagsUh, actually, art is subjective, guys..
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let's fucking go
>>212858940Your voice is a microtonal instrument and microtonality is gay.
>>212858949>Plotless art films are devoid of substance and the film equivalent of pornography. Hence why they mog arthouse... ehem... "films".
>>212858900What I meant to say was lyrics, not singing.
>>212858900>it turns out that jazzchads are the ones waging the war on plotcels
I don't need to understand lyrics to enjoy music, that's why I listen to kpop
I just listen to the static from my old earbuds since lyrics don't matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTNmLt7QX8E
The plotfag question was solved in a 1944 psychology study, film is just illiterate. An article on what the study and the film mean
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/our-storytelling-nature
>>212859193No, Ramleh, like a chad. Momma didn't raise no virgin.
>>212859275>Momma didn't raise no virgin.Did you get raped as a baby?
>>212859313Don't tell him about Serbian Film!
>>212859313In the time of chimpanzees, I was a monkey.
No, but I was fondled as an embryo.
>>212859366I know. I had an acting role in it.
Anyone got a torrent for Its Not Me by Carax pleasssse friends?
>Venezia 82 jury
>Alexander Payne, American filmmaker – Jury President[11]
>Stéphane Brizé, French filmmaker
>Maura Delpero, Italian filmmaker
>Cristian Mungiu, Romanian filmmaker and producer
>Mohammad Rasoulof, Iranian filmmaker and producer
>Fernanda Torres, Brazilian actress and writer
>Zhao Tao, Chinese actress
vgh
Plo/tv/irgins vs. Cinematographyfags skirmish #16728394944262672 ends in stalemate with both sides backing off for now to lick their wounds and recuperate.
The war continues. We may need a miracle to end this conflict. We’ve forgotten why it started, all those years ago…
>>212859509In this war, the only winners are the /philm/chads and effortpostingchads.
>Ban all the music with the phony gas chamber
AND I CAN'T MAKE IT ON MY OWN
(I Can't Make It On My Own!)
BECAUSE MY HEART IS IN OHIO!
>>212859439You have to invoke megaanon.
>>212858876Umberto D is not neorealism, the focus on the dog is melodrama, the ending is fantasy.
>>212860354It's straight up one of the most classic neotenuous films of all time, watchu on, ese?
>>212860412I don't care, the film majorly breaks with the neorealist tradition for the two reasons above.
>>212860354A Boy and His Dog
If you want to understand what the point of criticism is and should be just read Oscar Wilde's preface to The Picture of Dorian Grey. More specific to film criticism, read Maxime Renaudin's answer to the question "what do you expect from a critic?". That's all.
>>212860354>>212860480Neorealism is a movement and period with a broad category of themes. The films do not have to adhere perfectly to those themes, they still exist as part of the movement. You are advocating for genre criticism.
>>212860354there all kind of genres in italian neorealism: there are comedies, there are melodramas, there are war movies, even fantasy movies although it might sound like an oxymoron...
>>212860588can you give me a plot recap of them?
>>212860607You're right. I should've called it degenerate neorealism.
>>212860662But the theme of misery of working class / elderly had an established tradition, supplemented with the realist tradition of form. The film instead leaps with silly whimsy, breaking its own setup, its own coherence.
>>212860795You’re just wrong, man. Neorealism is a film movement. Movies made by a group of people during a specific place in time. The core themes of the movement are extracted through film analysis after, later. It is not some game of “movies that check these boxes are this kind of movie”. That is genre criticism, and it is for babies.
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>movement/genre talk
just SYABU, who gives a shit
Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming.
We're all pigs and monkeys here.
>>212860957This guy seriously just samefags every time he can’t come up with a reply.
>>212860881It existed and it ended and that's all one should know about neorealism, that's your argument? Umberto D is precisely why it ended, because it got transformed into its own perversion, either by public taste or the director's mistake, I'm not informed enough to know the answer.
>>212860975What of those who find beautiful meanings in ugly things?
Can we talk about any of the following instead
1) illegitimate Latin American countries
2) waifutrannies
3) swedish lesbians
4) tsaisis
5) the canadian actress
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Here you go, Irish tranny.
>>212860588If you’re drawn to anti-plot-recap, personal, affective criticism, then reading Sobchack gives you the intellectual framework, while Renaudin gives you the aesthetic/political rebellion. They're comrades in the fight against bland, impersonal reviews, just fighting on different fronts.
man for me Umberto D Eco could be a part of the New Spaghetti Bolognese Movement and it wouldn't affect in any way how I interpret that film
Found the Carax film, good shit might watch it again immediately
>>212861028Actually the neorealism movement continued after Umberto D with movies like Riso Amaro and Journey to Italy. Accatone and Mama Roma could either be considered the end of the movement, or a post script depending. This issue you have with “what constitutes realism” is actually thoughtfully considered in these movies and they mark the end of that chapter of Italian film history.
I expect a good, clean bake.
>>212848864The allure lies in the implication.
>>212861118I mentioned that specific Renaudin response because it elucidates perfectly what film criticism should be. I'm a macmahonist at heart.
Umberto is a cool name, good mouth feel.
>>212861244I agree. Gotta bring back those old world Italian names
>>212852741You think that's grim? Try being a classic radio fan.
>>212861199Of course Umberto D wasn't the sole film responsible, it was one of, a symptom. What were the reasons and preconditions for the symptom is the actual question we should be asking, not smugly nod "it ended".
By the way, in your smug way, what do you call suddenly stretching the rigidity of "it existed in place and time and that's it"?
I expect a good staging bake.
>>212861397No, those aren’t the questions that anybody should bother wasting time asking. Consider De Sica discussing his dual career as a handsome leading man in comedies and his ambition to self fund and direct movies “no one would pay me to make”. Consider the success of Rome Open City and the great enthusiasm it created in the Italian film going public to see stories that went beyond fantasies and confronted their struggles in a dramatic way. Or consider Pasolini musing on Accatone, which concerns a protagonist who is sympathetic but not necessarily redeeming. These pieces of history offer an oblique solution to your question, but I really want to emphasize history is not a puzzle for you to solve. These pieces of history hold value in how they inform the living to engage with the present and the future. They are not pieces to some magic puzzle. It’s not a game.
>>212861882Curious why you choose to ignore such an important part of film analysis. Because I'm not just sure, I know those questions were already asked and explored numerous times by critics and film historians, there are probably monographies dedicated to it. What changed in De Sica in Rossellini that they made Umberto D and Journey in Italy? What stimulated the change? And answers or speculations to these questions can greatly increase your ascribed "value", don't you think?
>>212862355Sorry, if you want to continue to lose this debate you have to confront me in the new bake.
>>212862612I really have no time right now.
>>212862743You also have no time for critical thinking, it would seem..
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